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>>408401117
Blessed thread
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>>408399197
Sahori isn't real, Anon.
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>>408401117
GABRIEL MILKERS

How do anons pronounce Gabriel? do you say it like Gabrielle? i was looking at his name and some call him Gavril
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>>408401503
I've always said "Gay - bree -el" I've never actually even considered any other ways to say it desu
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>>408401503
On my language is "Gah-Bree-Éll".
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>>408400829
me too
like with isabeau I didn't care. doing chaos I felt kinda sad cause I did neutral last route but it was for 2 seconds
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THE CUM OF GOD
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is this a law thread
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Strange Journey Redux is a masterpiece
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>>408401503
>>408402110
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>>408401442
>demons can’t be friends
>actively listens to angels who themselves are demons
>trusts Mastema
Zelenin, I trust bugaboo more than you
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>>408402631
It's shit
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>>408402289
When she slit her own throat I audibly pogged
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>>408403258
my reaction was " this was extremely autistic but so is she"
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There are more laughable megaten character deaths than there are ones that are genuinely emotional.
Roland in DDS2 is one of the few that actually made me feel bad.
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Has /smtg/ ran a survey to gather player information?

Questions like:
What SMT titles have you played?
What SMT titles have you played the most hours?
What SMT titles have you completed?
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Tamaki bros?
https://twitter.com/coca_00/status/1491224779302764547/photo/1
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>>408403818
i like the old one better
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>>408403692
yeah we had a questionnaire I think a year ago but I don't have the link to its results
not these exact questions tho
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>>408402695
explain your meme young man
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Why don't they just spread the rumor the Joker doesn't exist in Innocent Sin?
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>>408404880
I told them not to
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>>408404880
I think the reason was Joker himself was making them come true, so that's just telling to kill himself. My question is why it considers conspiracies the same as rumors, or biblical events as rumors. And also why more people were willing to believe Hitler was still alive over Lisa and Tatsuya dating
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>>408404880
p2 sucks and has a bad story
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>>408404880
The cast was dumb and if that happened, then only Joker not Jun would die. Or Joker would be reborn.
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>>408404880
that's cheating
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>>408404880
why don't you ask this from /pg/
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>>408406121
I'm not going anywhere near that wasteland
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is press turn really stale
I see people complain about it but it never gets boring for me
and if yes is one more a more varied system? to me most persona systems serve to streamline the gameplay with little to no downsides but I see people compare it favorably to press turn
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>>408407609
I like vanilla press turn like in Nocturne and DDS, Apoc and V are so cramped with gimmicks it feels slow.
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>>408407710
V I can see but how with apoc
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>>408401117
Dangit, I damaged my nocturne saves - it was a bit after meeting Dante.
I want to finish the game but replaying will be mega paaaaaaaaain
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>>408404017
was it a strawpoll
I vaguely remember it
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>>408407863
I still can't believe they put a fucking DMC character in nocturne, what were they thinking?
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>>408408095
no it was a whole google form
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>>408407863
I accidentally erased my IV save and lost like 40 something hours of gameplay
it if makes you feel better you're not that much worse
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>>408407790
The party gauge and partner system.
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>>408408460
It was fine, the game was balanced around it so it's not too bad.
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>>408407863
Dante at Ikebukkuro? You're not that far in the game.
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https://twitter.com/VOOK64/status/1595427725384503298
I imagine Kaneko to get gleeful hearing the news of mara making nintendo take financial damage losing a lawsuit
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>>408408742
It's really funny since this is about the Activation/Blizzard buy out by Microsoft. It's actually very fucking good this is happening since the law would have viewed Nintnedo outside of the big three which means Nintendo gets VERY different regulations than Xbox and Sony and Xbox would have had an illegal majority which means Microsoft would have to sell some companies off to make it legal. This means Nintendo doesn't get paired with Leap Frog systems and shit like that. Legit a big win for Law.
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>>408409186
can you explain what this lawsuit is about
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>>408409315
Call of Duty is so big that it being exclusive to one console would obliterate Sony from the market and give Microsoft total control over it. Avtivision/Blizzard is so big that Xbox taking it in would make Microsoft a monopoly in the gaming landscape in the UK. Since for a merger to happen, governments have to approve it or the company cannot sell in that country.
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for me, it's 真・女神転生 NINE
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>>408410107
Kusoge.
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>>408409186
pretty terrible arguments as a whole, the fundamental problem is where you place your moral center, if you place it on god then the destruction and inevitable death of humanity is a good thing and opposing the will of god is a bad thing, because he is the center of your moral paradigm.
On the flip side if you place your moral center in humans/humanity and you understand that humanity has been purposely built as a flawed machine whose only purpose is to produce an heir and then subsequently be replaced completely by that heir much like we have replaced our own ancestors then clearly the will of god is an objectively morally bad thing, because it goes against the continued existence of humanity

Not that any of this matters mind you in both sides you have hierarchy and slavery, one is slavery to god and the other is slavery to whoever wins battle, you are not truly free in either instance.

The only true way to achieve "real" freedom is to elevate the entirety of humanity to godhood, thereby individuals will actually have a real choice whether they want to subject themselves willingly to the will of the sitting man or not or alternatively to subject themselves to the will of Lucifer or not, however this choice can only be real and substantial if humanity has enough power to choose to reject the influence of either of these cosmic forces, which humanity does not have, and therefore the entire argument that this conversation even matters at all falls apart, there is no choice, you will be enslaved either way, there is no way out, there is no salvation
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>>408410107
Kamige
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>>408410428
dagda hands wrote this post
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I just think it would be cool to have a cowboy go on a quest to retrieve his ten gallon hat and accidentally find himself against a conspiracy that leads him to destroying the cycle of death and rebirth and having to fight Shiva at the end to save the world from being destroyed, all so he could get his damn hat back. As a bonus, his comp would be a revolver.
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>>408411951
Based
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>Trust me dude, this army of demons of necessary to save my time
>I’m really not trying to take this city haha
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>>408411951

SMT gold rush wild west 1850s America
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>>408410830
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>>408406121
/pg/ just waifufags all day
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https://twitter.com/bfm_t/status/1595247173993910274/photo/1
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>>408401117
mommy Gabriel's dick sucking lips...
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>>408410291
>>408410610
Filtered
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>>408410860
Her jegs...
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say something nice about walmart demon
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>>408415384
he look just like me
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>>408415384
demons like this show just how much japanese perception of the outside world was shaped by media that found they way into japan, as such it's interesting to search for exactly what that influence was
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>>408415384
Tokyo 2032
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>>408415384
this guy is like the reverse SMT2 terminator.
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>>408415384
that's not the Eiffel Tower on his bag
but will we ever see a globe trotting SMT game?
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Why is Loki in last bible just some buff shirtless guy with a katana? Still better than the persona 5 design.
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>>408417328
The Last Bible series was a testing ground for new Atlus employees.
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>>408417328
>Still better than the persona 5 design
keep SEETHING, fag
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>>408418371
Go back
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>>408419528
yοu're the one bringing up Persona out of no where, cuck
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>>408419613
kcab oG
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>>408419723
drater ,tnemugra ecin
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how about a game where every LNC route is Dark?
>Chaos is Lucifer trying to overrun the world with demons
>Law is Satan enacting what he believes is YHVH's order and punishing humanity
>Neutral is some Nietzschean asshole who enacts a world of STR in an effort for humanity to forge its path away from demons and gods
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Majin tensei 2 is lying to me
An npc in the first purple grinding map said the demons will continually respawn, even bringing up it might be a good way to gain experience
But I killed all the demons and have been ending my turns doing nothing waiting for more demons to spawn for two full moon cycles now and jack shit is happening
They aren't respawning
Do you have to DO something aside from just killing everything to make them respawn?
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>>408421971
Some demons spawn at a limit, but others are infinite (late game it's more infinite)
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>>408411951
sounds like a bodacious 4-6 hour RPG Maker kamige
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>>408415384
Marsh should cosplay him.
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>>408409186
Vile race
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>>408423761
Go dicksuck E-celebs somewhere else faggot
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>>408427351
That wasn't a compliment.
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>>408401442
Better than befriending a Lawchud.
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>>408428569
best part of the game
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Recarmdra
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>>408431238
Hang on anon I'll heal you dia
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>>408307407
YE YE YE!
THIS IS MY JAM
YE YE YE!
I'll be waiting for more, are you saving everything somewhere? I don't want to miss anything
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could Gabby bear my children?
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>>408307407
Is this the second or third one? I feel like I'm missing one
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>>408433357
Demigod Anonspawn
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>>408415892
studio members probably took a trip to America
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>>408433357
yea, but they would be giant nephilims and god would flood the earth again to kill them
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How bullshit is Apocalypse difficulty?
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>>408434726
You need to dump a bit into agility
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>>408434491
https://youtu.be/a3_PPdjD6mg
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>>408434726
You will miss a lot but it's still within reason if you aren't shit
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Artemis...
https://twitter.com/ajairie_/status/1476963379424153603
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>>408434905
That's one tiny beano.
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I curse the wicked, the vile temptators who lead good men astray
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>>408435030
Mudoon
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>>408435030
Dia
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I could forgive SH2 being shit if they at least modelled more things from Debisama/SH for me to pickpocket
Imagine if all the Sneed forms got models which could then be extracted, that would have been rad
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>>408434726
I beat it a week ago it's challenging for sure but extremely annoying with the constant -100 agility fucking you out of press turns
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https://twitter.com/GmodePR/status/1595575676295385089
Last Bible: New Testament 3 is out now.
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>>408436465
I hope this makes G-MODE bring more games to modern platforms
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>>408436820
The little thank you blurb gives me some hope.
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I started V. Opened up the gamefaqs to see how I should allocate the protag's skill since I needed expert opinion. learned about the alignment system. how much should I care about alignment for my first playthrough? what does it even affect?
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>>408437153
Only a quest or two
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>>408437153
Alignment is dogshit in V, you get the same ending just with a different short scene at the end. You pick your option at the end instead of making actual choices throughout the game.
Go with STR and MAG on Nahotranny, you can replace lost skills with essences.
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>>408437153
Alignment doesn't really exist in V, you make a choice right after a certain boss fight near the end of the game and that's it. Only other factor that effects the ending is related to side quests and killing a superboss that trivializes the end bosses.
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Does anyone has that transparent pic of SMT V Lucifer's design?
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>>408439402
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>>408439518
Thank you
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>>408423761
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>>408432372
Saving them on one document, so can always repost it on pastebin if link is lost or something. Glad you’re enjoying it though lmao
>>408434152
It’s the second one. First is this
https://pastebin.com/Q95riF5Y
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>>408401503
>Gavril
*Gavriil. It is how it sounds in Russia.
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Reasons are dogshit in Nocturne, you get the same ending just with a different short scene at the end.
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>>408444207
Yet it fits with the game themes more than TDE.
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>>408444207
Anon, you clearly didn't get those endings...
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>>408444207
Did I strike a nerve? My post didn't mention Nocturne you schizo.
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>>408435929
but it's fine anon look they added SH pixie
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>>408428597
Leaked new Mother Harlot re-design
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>>408446192
They did it post release and it was only in response to Japanese fans being mad she wasn't in. If anything that shows how fucked SH2's priorities were.
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>>408439518
oh no he's hot!
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the fact that SH2 is better than anything in the 3DS SMT era says a lot about Arlus
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>>408448816
Being better than the 3DS era is not a hard bar to pass.
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>>408448816
Arlusbros...
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>I don't care how many demons he's fought in how many hells
>he's never fought us
>not us united
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>INSANE bar to pass
PS1 era
>High bar to pass
PS2 era
>Medium bar to surpass
PSP era
Dreamcast era
Sega Saturn era
>Low bar to surpass
3DS era
DS era
>Abyss bar to surpass
Switch era
PS3 era
PS4 era
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>pic related, its me and my gf
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>>408450450
Reddit demon
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>>408450450
what a bitch, he's only had half of his drink
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>>408445090
Yeah I did.
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>>408453428
Proof or I will jizz in your eyes.
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>humanity's potential...wasted
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>>408450330
Famicom bros…
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Any good place to download SJR?
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>>408450796
reddit poster
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lol brainworms
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>>408453497
Ooch
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>>408457154
Higurashi?
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Succubussy
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bros...
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desu is a good game dont reply to me
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>>408465867
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>>408455726
Hshop or Ziperto
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>>408436465
I just want a translation
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every single megaten game is good from Digital Devil Story: Megami Tensei to Soul hackers 2 and if you say differently you are wrong and retarded
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I will not eat the bugs, sir.
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>>408405172
this
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>>408464450
i want to eat her
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>>408464450
>that pubic mound
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>>408401117
I'm starting to learn that the version of Nocturne on Steam must be circumcised or something? I only have knowledge gleaned from others who talk about the game but I've just gotten to Isamu in the prison (beating the Mizuchi boss) and haven't seen Matador or the biker boss? Is it possible I accidentally went wide around them?
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Would you?
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>>408472292
You didn't pick Chronicle when you started the game, you're playing the original release without TDE, Amala and the Fiends.
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>>408472428
Ah I see. Well there's extra motivation for the second play through.
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>Dragon Kings can attack you from 7 tiles away in majin tensei 2
I didn't realise dragons were fucking ballisticians
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>>408472538
I like your mindset anon, enjoy the true version of nocturne.
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>>408472292
Where you able to select hard mode? Please answer, this single question is holding me back from buying it too
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>>408476561
I think so, yeah. I'm pretty sure that's what I'm on now actually, but it's been about a month since I started. Kinda sucks that you need base game + 3 DLC but hey it's half off right now.
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>>408476807
Ah, that's what I hoped. Hard Mode was originally added in the maniax version, but since it didn't add anything new to the game and only increased the numbers, I thought it could still be selected even if I played the vanilla version. Knowing that, I believe if the presentation wasn't so fucked this would honestly be the definitive version of nocturne.
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Anyone ever noticed how Kaiwan is clearly based on this guy from the 1995 Power Ranger movie?
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>>408477220
it's such a random myth figure it feels like they told Kaneko to make another star demon so they can make use of the decarabia model again and this is what he came up with
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>>408477356
Funny how many Kaneko designs are just "reference to pop culture thing I like".
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>>408477685
it's very soulful
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>>408477757
Doi's do the same thing now. Just with Japanese pop culture.
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>>408478061
doi does get double standards but this really isn't an instant of it
he just isn't as good as Kaneko with referencing.
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>>408477685
It is good when it has a pop culture I don't know on it mixed with occult stuff, not just a straight up copypasta like Doi did with Artemis for example.
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You know, only SMT can say they turned the myth of Susano-o and Kushinada-hime into gay shit. That's never been done before. True pioneers.
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>>408478473
utilizing fujo tears to keep the franchise alive for another 30 years
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>>408478473
When 5G towers demon?
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>>408478473
Thank you SMT for this innovation in history. Very cool.
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>>408478220
>not just a straight up copypasta like Doi did with Artemis for example.
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>>408479427
Anon, Decarabia is a fucking star in the Goetia books as well.
Are you retarded?
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>>408479484
And? The design is still basically copied and pasted from a 1950s movie, and I say that as someone that likes Decarabia a lot.
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>>408479848
Again, are you retarded?
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It's ok when Kaneko does it
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>>408479884
>can't provide a counter argument
>resorts to name calling
Okay. Here's some examples of Decarabia in other forms of media from the first page of Google Images.
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>>408479923
Yes.
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>>408479427
>>408479484
difference is frequency of Kaneko doing it, Kaneko did something like 100 demons per game and some of them were literally just references to pop media, others were a variety of other designs
and like anon said, it was normally for a figure that didn't have much else to it. you really can't say this about odin, zeus or Artemis. I don't personally dislike it, but it's too many in the small number of Doi designs.
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>>408479971
You need to find a cure to your retardation.
Decarabia is a star, that's the point you idiot.
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>>408480101
Fair. I'm not defending Doi's designs, but saying that Kaneko never did a straight up copypasta isn't true.
>>408480105
A star whose design shares numerous similarities to an alien race from a 1950s movie. I don't understand why you keep saying "He's supposed to be a star" like it disproves my point.
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>>408479923
I don't think there's any irony to that, it's really ok when Kaneko does it cause the sources you have access to now is widely different to the time Kaneko was working
and when Doi actually does his research designing everyone likes it. Fionn, anahita, manananggal, etc are all examples. most of apoc's concept designs are also examples.
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>>408480310
It still a star and lines up with the Goetia book unlike Artemis which is just Shoko from Saintia Sho and Odin which is just Ultraman with horns. That's the point you fucking retard.
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>>408480310
I don't think anyone with more than a surface level understating of Kaneko designs ever says that. which sadly a lot of people aren't, but that's another story.
I don't know just how much time I've spent defending Doi designs online but this just isn't a case of double standards. Kaneko has much more nuance in doing references and making sure the designs he did each game included a variation of design types depending to the game itself, going from mainline to debisama to persona designs, each game had a different approach.
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>>408479484

What is the origin of Nisroch?
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>>408480695
You can ask Doi about it.
He made the sprites for the first Persona games.
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>>408480772
nope he just did card designs and colored bustups.
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>>408480496
I get your point but I still don't agree with it. I do understand where you're coming from now though and you should've just said that in that in the first place instead of calling me a retard to save us both the trouble.
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>>408480865
i miss when monsters in tv/movies were just people in suits
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>>408480772
Eisuke Matsuda did the sprites for Persona.
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There's nothing wrong with Artemis. She is known for being a tomboy, for being an active Goddess who stands out for being independent from men. It fits perfectly to bind her to a shounen manga reference. And you can tell immediately who she is by the moon diadem and the bow-like thingy.
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>>408481083
There is everything wrong with artemis
She looks shit
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>>408481083
I really haven't seen any criticism that does not come down to "she looks more human than demon"
which is fair enough, but still as a design there really isn't much wrong with it.
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In Christian demonology, the name Niscroc was eventually assigned to a demon considered to be hell's main cook,
first described in Pseudomonarchia Daemonum, published in 1577.

Milton's Paradise Lost portrays Nisroc as a timid, cowardly figure who notes demons are inferior to angels in battle because they can feel pain.

Pseudomonarchia Daemonum
(Liber officiorum spirituum)
Johann Weyer
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Doi fans are the pokemon fans of megaten.
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>>408481083
>She is known for being a tomboy, for being an active Goddess who stands out for being independent from men.
She loved Orion and wanted to marry him. What the fuck are you talking about?
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>>408481363
what does that even mean
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>>408481537
Most willing to shovel cheap trash down their threats and try to explain why the trash is good actually.
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Someday Megaten will get a good designer again. I believe it.
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>>408481624
what makes a design cheap
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>>408481726
Me deeming it shit.
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Shijimabros why does nobody like us? :(
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there is absolutely a phenomena called Kanekofag. it's a type of person who's appreciation of Kaneko designs goes as deep as them looking aesthetically good to him, yet people liking a design like odin simply because it looks cool is somehow unacceptable
it's the kind of person who bitches about Doi designs at absolutely any chance he gets even when he has no substantial reason for why, but you never see him discuss Kaneko designs in depth.
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>>408481859
I don't think Hikawa is a particularly good alignment rep.
A good alignment rep is supposed to start off with only the bud of an ideology and then have to fertilised through events in the plot so you see how it escalates into extremism. Hikawa isn't like that, he just has the exact same fully formed ideology from before you even meet him all the way to the end, nothing causes any escalation in his beliefs.
He's more just a decently effective villain, but I don't feel like he's a guy who I'd want to join.
Same reason I don't like yakumo or the moonfags in V.
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>>408481859
Wtf
Only ~5% of people acttually beat the game?
>>408481465
Being independent from men and hating them are different things dumbass
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>>408482161
>Being independent from men and hating them are different things dumbass
Orion was her hunting partner you absolute schizo.
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>>408482161
Most Steam users don't beat games, it's mostly a platform for multiplayer games and the steam market than single player titles. Compared to ps4 which has a 23.13% completion rate on normal with most going for the freedom ending.
https://psnprofiles.com/trophies/12951-shin-megami-tensei-iii-nocturne-hd-remaster
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>>408482161

95% of everyone who plays SMT have never completed any mainline SMT games
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>>408482119
>A good alignment rep is supposed to start off with only the bud of an ideology and then have to fertilised through events in the plot so you see how it escalates into extremism
Why
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>>408482161
Anon, that screenshot's missing three of the endings.
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>>408481859
not everyone has the capacity of understanding shijima
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>>408482291
>>408482342
>most going for the freedom ending
Cringe.
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>>408482309
Because thats the entire appeal of alignments to me, seeing how a (relatively) normal person can be twisted into something extreme
Its also just natural to enjoy seeing some sort of growth in a character you follow through a game, I don't think its a hard concept
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>>408481859
If it makes you feel any better, Angra Mainyu used to be (in certain builds still is) one of the best demons in the gacha.
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>>408482441
Weirdly, there's only 5 ending achievements. As far as I can tell, TDE doesn't have an achievement.
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>>408481859
Being lonely is good
Le strength is good
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>>408481859
Hikawa and Nihilo being portrayed as the antagonists in the first part of the game doesn't help, add to this the fact that they attempt to murder you three times.
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That fucking wendigo can eat my nuts, i carved fresh new wendussy into that lil bitch.
Anyway where we dropping boys? I wanna save Rocker gf but that glasses girl looks really cute as well
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>>408483134
IIRC saving Rock girl is more urgent.
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speak English
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>>408483134
Save rocker grill
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can fans add edward penishands demon into the game
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>>408481624
play another franchise
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>>408483460
I do play more than megaten. In fact, you're like 7 years too late there, megaten was one of the many franchises I branched out to when I STOPPED only playing one thing, something I admittedly used to do.
Playing more than one franchise doesn't change a thing about what I said.
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>>408483634
No, anon.
You don't have the right to complain and expect a franchise to improve, you MUST buy the new product and EAT the bugs.
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>>408483634
please, player of multiple franchises, provide this general with more insights like "it's bad because I don't like it"
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Random newfag: "I hate this new demon design because it has absolutely nothing in common with common real world mythological iconography."
Kaneko: "Dude, what if Satan was a big tiddy xenomorph? Mmmh, MetaTRON? Yup, that's gonna become a robot."
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>>408483743
>>408483634
yes, different demon designs is the only thing making the series trash. it all makes sense now
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>>408484273
Nobody said it was the sole thing making it trash and there was nothing else lol
You invented that specification to get mad about
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>It's always been bad so it's okay now
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>>408484245
Yeah I love Kaneko but sometimes he's kind of a hack lol. Helios is a cat because... his Persona user is named "Kat"-suya. Lovely.
But there is also something to be said for good taste and selecting proper references. I'd rather look at a design that is kind of a reach but looks clean as hell as opposed to a mythologically accurate design that looks terrible.
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>>408475343
they are the biggest thing that will hinder you until the bael fight. they cannot counter attack when you hit them straight on and they can't range attack close to them. if you select them and hit the button again it will show the range. the best way to deal with them is to get flying demons and make them rush to kill. even if they don't do a lot of damage, you can pass turns doing nothing but doing damage to them. but outside of that, the only thing to worry about is eventually enemies using stone and poison aliments. poison antidotes can be bought or removed over 3 turns naturally and stone removes itself over 2 turns. you can also recruit the dragons since they are neutral, they keep the range when recruited.
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>It doesn't need good designs
>It doesn't need good gameplay
>It doesn't need more RPG options
>It doesn't need decisions that matter during the story
>It doesn't need good sidequests
>It doesn't need complex character builds
>It doesn't need a good story
>It doesn't need expanded character interactions
>It doesn't need balanced gameplay
>It doesn't need good pacing
>It doesn't need dungeons
>It doesn't need a good soundtrack
>It doesn't need direction
>It doesn't need improvement
>It doesn't need to be good
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https://twitter.com/saku2815yum/status/1595794740691480576
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>>408484620
But enough about Pokemon, this is an SMT thread.
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>>408484972
Upvoted
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maken
as in ma=demon
ken=sword
wow
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>>408485259
this but unironically
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>>408480616
why did you delete the post anon
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>>408485480
maken = demon sword
deus ex machina
eewwwooooouuuuuueeeeee
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I don't like that Fri-Day is giving me the bedroom eyes.
I think he's thinking about fucking me the moment I turn to leave.
>>408485259
So thats why Makai means demon world huh, the kai part means world or realm. Guess Kongo in kongokai from SMT1 means diamond.
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>>408484620
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>>408485662
yeah demon kanji 魔has a ma reading
althought magaten wiki says it has 2 kanji one 魔界and 魔階 which would be demon storage
don't know where the second reading is coming from
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>>408485662
No, it's a reference to Congo the country but spelled in German (because Kaneko didn't know there was a difference) Diamond realm is commentary on the atrocities committed by King Leopold II against the Congo people.
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>>408472321
made for Big Satan Cock
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Surgery went well, I thought I was going to have just a few days of sick leave but I have two weeks instead because I did have a weird reaction to the anesthetic drug used on me. Which means I have more than enough free time to play games, so I'll try to beat SMT5 and then play P5R. So I went back to SMT5 and stayed on normal mode and it turns out I wasn't bored of the game, I just got bored of the Chiyoda area and the dumb as fuck castle. Now I just did a bunch of side quests and I started exploring Taito. Why the fuck is there such a big gap between abscess bosses? I just got rid of 2 abscesses easily and now I have to beat ~65 level demons. Is that normal or do I have to do some level grinding and fusions now? Is Tao worth keeping in my party?
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>>408481859
why is Musubi called "An Unforeseen World"??
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>>408486597
Congrats on your neovagina, Anon.
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>>408486597
that area is pretty fun
there probably was a scarped area/dungeon before it but if you build specified enemies for it you can level up fast
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>>408486597
Congrats. Don't join the 41% too soon.
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>>408486807
>>408487195
Pretty sure thats the anon who was getting their "not cancer" tumour removed
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>>408486597
YWNBAW
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>>408487265
It's "him", ignore.
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>>408487265
Oh, it's a joke then.
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>>408487265
Yeah that's me.
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>>408486597
Tao leaves before the final boss so if you've got a similar demon just stick with them unless you really like her. do all the sidequests and fight some tougher demons in the area and you should be okay to beat everything
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>>408487051
>but if you build specified enemies for it you can level up fast
I guess I will do it soon then, my demons are a bit underleveled compared to the common enemies in that area even if they're very useful. Now that I reached the end of the game more or less I'm wondering if I should start using essences on demons and not just on the MC as well.

>>408487521
>Tao leaves before the final boss
That sucks, I knew that was too good to be true. I'll see if I can get similar demons. Maybe I should keep Idunn and make her stronger.
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Goku sodomized our megami and we don't even get to fight him? wtf
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Demons were more unsettling when they had no pupils.
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>>408488150
what demons are you specifically talking about
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>>408482582
Like this anon >>408472292 demonstrated, the maniax content in the hd remaster is completely optional, so I guess it would be a dick move to lock an achievement to it, i guess. It also explains why it looks like so few people beat the game >>408481859 everyone just went for TDE, like aways, and the game doesn't show it.
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>>408487634
it did it on hard so I have no idea what's it like on normal but you might need to get all the levels possible from side quests in the previous areas
and your demons are probably general purpose good, you need them to be good to go against the specific taito enemies you are going to fight to gain levels from
also go find fionn once you get to mid 60
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>>408488150
I agree.
>>408488426
Yeah, that makes sense. The DLC isn't available in Korea, right? So you'd have completely unachieveable achievements if there were DLC cheevos.
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>>408488616
dante still is, but maniax content is DLC nontheless
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>>408488426
cool image, I never really thought about how each of the Reasons reps personally killed one of your allies
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>>408488442
>also go find fionn once you get to mid 60
I completely forgot about him. I will, thanks for the reminder. I'll try to do as many side quests as possible so I can unlock as many demons/fusions as possible to build a better team.
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>>408489098
you're welcome anon have fun
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unless you are really REALLY into Gendo Ikari I don't see why anyone with align themselves with Shijima, Hikawa is an asshole who not only tries to kill you but also imprisons your teacher (who saved you even if you don't want to fuck her) and then later kills her for no reason that I can remember
he's just blatantly portrayed as a villain
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>>408489716
this level filtered millions
I distinctly remember posting here
>STUPID BITCH RUNS TOWARDS THE DEMONS
when I was at this part
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>>408489696
hikawa never imprisons Yuko or makes her do anything. she's just indecisive the whole game and hikawa takes advantage of her not having any answers for her questions
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Rude! I know i sleeped in a cemetery but i don't smell that bad
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>>408489696
I literally AM Gendo Ikari
Cry about it
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>>408489903
>hikawa never imprisons Yuko
the Nightmare System?
also why did he kill her later on? did he need to a la Chiaki and the mudpeople?
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>>408489696
>then later kills her for no reason that I can remember
The maiden is meant to gather magatsuhi and be sacrificed. His dialogue before killing her implies that.
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soccer thing when?
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>>408484245
Most demon and human designs from Doi are literally ripoffs of anime characters.
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>>408490082
but she went into the system herself. hikawa isn't forcing her into doing anything, she does not have anything else to do other than what she tangeled herself into (which she tells you when she invites you to the hospital)
she just hopes someone helps her find a solution to her problems, which she does not and just lets aradia leach off from her
I guess the maiden needed to be sacrificed for him to summon ahriman
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>>408491247
Didn't he say our first match was friday?
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>>408491419
like who
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>>408489953
>smell dangerous
>is a dork
Haru doesn’t know what she’s talking about, unless she can smell Abel being a Bel
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I played one route of devil survivor but I completely forgot, did that game even have terrain bonuses? It didn't right, I feel like it didn't
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thanksgiving megami tensei
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>>408491924
No it doesn't, certain bosses have a terrain that deals demage tho.
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you are eating turkey right anon?
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>>408491574
>Flynn - Yu Kanda
>Tao - Rikka Takarada
>Artemis - Some Saint Seiya bitch
These aren't anime characters but fuck it:
>Walter's design is worse chaos hero
>Jonathan's a cucked version of Law Hero's
>Dazai is Ryuji but as a Redditor
>I've seen too many Yuzuru lookalikes in anime to pinpoint an exact one.
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>>408492259
Miyazu's face kind of makes me laugh in a "these edibles ain't shi-" kinda way
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>Clear information: 78 turns
Lol!
I see what the other majin tensei 2 playing anon was saying about MEAT GRINDERS.
Seems like a couple of these maps can be cheesed by or incentivise aggroing/activating the enemy spawning tiles by proximity, then dashing back and planting your asscheeks firmly on any heal tiles and waiting for the reinforcements to impale themselves on your safely regenerating characters for about 4 cycles of going through each enemy they have, at which point they seem to dry up and stop spitting out demons.
>>408492259
I don't know why but before I saw the whole thing, on first glance I thought this had put them both in a recreation of saturn devouring his son.
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>>408492872
>Flynn - Yu Kanda
nothing like each other, if you consider haircuts the similarity point, the details of flynn's hair are very different.
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>>408493084
>saturn devouring his son
it does give that vibe
sad thing they take nothing about the brutal aspect of Khonsu, he just ends up killing himself for the sake of his pharaoh
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>>408493365
It's that and his outfit looking similar to the samurai jacket.
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>>408493652
I genuinely fail to see anything similar between the two. plus he has a katana, samurai sword is normal western sword
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>>408480695
>Nisroch
new art

happy turkey day
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>>408492872
>Tao - Rikka Takarada
I guess? But I'd say Tao is extremely similar to Tsubasa from TMS and leave it at that.
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>>408494445
You just wanted an excuse to post Tsubasa, didn't you? I see...
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>>408492949
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>The only equipment rags sells in majin tensei 2 is fetish gear
>bunny ears, metal thong, pinky cuffs, stomping heels
Based?
Also, his shop theme has a sample of what sounds like someone being punched in the stomach and vomiting.
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>>408490397
>The maiden is meant to gather magatsuhi and be sacrificed. His dialogue before killing her implies that.
Ah, I must have forgotten that part
>>408491503
>but she went into the system herself
oh, I thought he put her there so that the Nightmare System could fuck up his enemies
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>>408492259
who is this cute boy?
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>>408496991
NAHOGREENO
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new demons from the gigaplex
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Jesus late 2000s lingo
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>>408498747
the hell is a gigaplex, also would and would
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>>408499013
I could bare it since the way they handle it they only ever talk like that through emails. If Yuzu talked like she texted she'd be a contender for most annoying character in the series.
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>>408499124
sorry, it's a gizmoplex

MST3K
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>>408491767
women can smell vril
she's turned on but doesnt know why
her body knows, though
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>>408493365
flynn looks p cool there
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Nekoomata
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>>408499976
check out IV artbook scans in booru, it has lots of illustrations by Doi and some industry legends and all of them look great
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>>408493879
flynn looks p cool here
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>>408499262
Imagine if Persona waifus talked like they do in texts
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>>408501463
>>408501234
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>>408501234
>>408501463
>>408501537
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>>408501957
this was written by someone born without a dick or someone who cut theirs off
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>>408436465
But is it good
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>>408502408
try having pretty girl lived experiences--its entirely normative
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Just tried Strange Journey. Dropped almost immediately. Garbage visual novel with snes dragon quest combat. Literally 2007 Kongregate flash rpg tier. SMT games are anti-fun
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>>408502843
lol
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>>408502843
this but Persona 4
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>>408502078
who is this slut?
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>>408502843
>Literally 2007 Kongregate flash rpg tier
Where's the problem?
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Jesus christ SMT 1 and 2 are so overrated
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>>408502657
>pretty girl
no pretty girls worked on SMT V
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Is the steam port of Nocturne HD good? It's on sale right now.
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>>408502878
who's that qt in the middle??
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>>408503247
ye
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>>408503247
No
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>>408503247
mayb
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>>408503247
I dont know
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>>408503247
No, emulate the PS2 version with Hardtype.
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>>408503247
No, emulate the switch version
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>>408503247
No, but pirate it anyway
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>>408503547
>Hardtype
do not do this its retarded
https://youtu.be/M6r_b0whA6g
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>>408503769
skill issue
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>>408503769
Filtered
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>>408503010
they don't last 40 hours
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sup guys came here from r/megaten
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>>408504023
Neither do I but your mom didnt seem to mind
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>>408503792
>>408503839
the Dark Souls of jrpgs was too much for him eheheh
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>>408502553
Good question!
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>>408503291
She's one of the Dx2 characters.
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>>408504787
tell me about her
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>Did You Spend 30 Minutes Of Your Life Battling Us. Congratulations, We Will Give These Really Rare Cards, Such As Azazel, Satan, Shiva, Even This Cybele.

>(0_0) Those Are Really Rare! (^.^) Good Job!

>My Sisters Are Lying. You Got Pranked.
I love Kaijuu Bug. It's one of my favorite Enemies in Megami Tensei 1.
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>>408503247
it's fine
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>>408505070
Nice emotes
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>>408504821
She is a dyke
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>>408505070
wtf
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>>408505356
how did they get away with it?
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>>408505403
Dx2 had a whole gays are cool story
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>>408502878
why decarabia gets all the girls?
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>>408504028
What's the latest unfunny meme they've spewn out?
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>>408502843
please recommend me a flash game dungeon crawler I want to play it.
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Does Majin Tensei 2 have newgame+ of any kind? I'm just wondering whether I should keep a savestate in the back slot at the alignment choices so I can do the different routes from there or if theres a newgame+ I can just do to plough through it on repeat playthoughs.
I just got to the third "world", 1995 and I think I remember someone saying the first alignment lock was either here or in world 4.
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>>408506524
The Enchanted Cave was pretty cool, it's sequel got a steam release too. It's basic, but still fun
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>>408506610
which one of these dudes is she fucking?
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>>408506610
There is no NG+. Also third world starts the first alignment lock.
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>>408506941
The green guy. The one giving her the piggyback is her brother
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>>408506975
Got it, thanks hombre
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>>408401117
Olympic spirits when?

Also, someone here said they were making an SMT game based on their own experiences with spirits. That would be cool, demon designs made by giving Doi a bunch of drugs and having him draw what he sees during a ritual - trippy as fuck
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>>408507217
I'm pretty sure one of those spirits is randomly a starting angel enemy in persona 2, I remember looking that up once
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>>408507174
During the conversation for the lock, you have to choose both law and chaos options to stay neutral.
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>>408401503
Gahb-ray-EL
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>>408507217
by all logic that would make his designs even more horror vacui but who knows maybe they'd have the opposite effect
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>>408505484
Most people just skip the story for the gameplay
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>>408507545
yeah I heard the story is pretty bad
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>>408507424
Ah, the "be a schizo" smtiv approach I see. Good to know.
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>>408507684
If a battle happens, you are either Law or Chaos. If not, then you are neutral.
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>>408505646
He's a funny little fella
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>>408508694
His humor can’t bring back forneus
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>>408510162
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>>408477220
RIP JDF :(
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>>408507624
It's "demons appear all over the Tokyo but only people with APP can see them WHOAAAAA!" Persona tier garbanzo, but gameplay is pretty good like gatcha nocturne
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>>408512454
dumb, why didn't they just go for a full demon apocalypse
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>>408512656
Because that would be too interesting and require actual thought into the story
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>>408512656
They did as a side story
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Sovl Hackers 3 will happen
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>>408512656
>he doesn't know
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViOUCvHS0Go
The gameplay is unfortunately worse than the base game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtmzcdeYNaA
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>>408513379
Likely as Raidou 3
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>>408513387
god the Alter World FeMC is so cute
I also like the dungeon mode that goes along with it where you have to make a series of decisions and each floor has a boss and if you die you either have to get good or restart, no going back to grind
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>>408513907
HEATHEN, RAIDOU 3 WILL HAPPEN
2 MORE WEEKS
TRUST THE PLAN
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>>408488693
Well, if you side with Chiaki, you kill Futomimi yourself while she watches from the back, turned on
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>>408514236
The one with the gates? I liked that one best of all the modes but I didn't care for the way it integrated the online elements.
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How do we fix SMT?
What do you want to see in SMT 6?
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B-Bros, I think I have a new fetish.
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>>408506015
The only joke they have is "Nahobino femboy lol porn"
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>>408515637
uhh, is that one where you have the MC on your team? that's the one I'm tlaking about
it doesn't have traditional dungeon crawling like the other mode, its just a series of decisions instead of crawling
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>>408515829
actually improving on IV with world building, and implementing that in V's open hall. I want towns, will kyoani atlus if the next games doesn't have towns
I also want mini dungeons in the over world.
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>>408513387
how is it worse
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>>408515835
Dump your image folder here
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>>408517153
>V's open hal
Fuck no, I want a proper 3D dungeon crawler like Nocturne and DDS.
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>>408517287
I want both, both are fun
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>>408515381
Hot...
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>>408516902
Oh no, I was talking about the dungeon navigating one. My bad. I think it's called Aura Gates?
>>408517232
It might get better later on but I dropped it into the second chapter.
>enemies all have shields
>these shields heavily reduce damage and are weak to one element (and only one element) and all enemies use one element
>once you do enough damage with that element, the shields break
>you then have 8 moves to deal damage (don't remember if enemy turns count) before the shields come back up
>once the shields come back up, you have to start all over again on disabling the shields
There's a big emphasis on composition but, if I remember right, you're still have to abide by the main game's fusion gacha and rules in order to build your teams. I'm sure there's good strategies that let you work around it, but I couldn't stand it at all.
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>>408487051
I love them so much bros....
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>>408518664
how exactly do you cope with atlus doing fuck all with this game
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>>408517935
ah, I just remmebered the mode I'm talking about is Tokyo Abyss
it doesn't have the shield shit, its just every five floors has a specific type of boss you'll have to beat and you can only use demons you recruit in the dungeon
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Dx2 has pretty good music
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>>408518985
Is that the one that's limited time or something and it gives you unique items?
Christ, how many modes does Dx2 have again? I know there's still like three more that we haven't mentioned, like PvP and that one clan mode.
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>>408519262
I think it resets every month
but yeah unless you just love low-to-mid level demons with 3D models there's not a whole lot
personally the fact that Masakado is gacha only while Satan isn't even in the fucking game pisses me off
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>>408519102
Better than SMTV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24lHlBGkdrk
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>>408518947
They have a good conclusion and they are cute and canon. I have plushies and I laugh at Japanese fujos with no merch. I am content.
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>>408520252

One year later
Are steelbook SMTV still available for sale?
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I hate Vfags
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I've grown tired of the same demons every game.
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>>408520643
It's easier for Atlus. Small indie game plz understandu
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>>408520681
Made for cock.
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>>408518947
There needs to be more art like this.
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paizuri goddess...
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>>408455726
>>408467867
just updated luma after 5 years, didn't see redux on freeshop, and found these posts via archive
small world
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>>408522516
i would let her ruin my life
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at this point would you rather have Soejima than Doi?
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>>408523586
Adachi...
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>>408523653
Yes
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>>408515835
Yum
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>>408523653
No
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>>408523653
Soejima is so much worse than Doi whole shit. He doesn't really express himself with his art and his replacements have already shown to have more creative liberties than he did his whole career.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiOu0tSvNAI
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>>408523653
I think Persona and SMT would benefit from having neither of them
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>>408522786
Freeshop is dead.
Use Hshop.
https://hshop.erista.me/
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>>408523653
Yes, but he needs his harem team with him especially Kabayashi.
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>>408524818
tfw Metatron will never aggressively t-pose towards you
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>>408525106
>>408524818
>mfw it's the end of the universe and all the demons coming to kill me look like porn stars
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>>408525603
That's because they will sexually break you first
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>>408524818
>>408525106
>the Kanekino is never coming back
>all his great designs will start being replaced by inferior ones moving forward, and new demons will never match them
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>>408523653
I would really like to see Soejima's take on demon design but Doi is just a better designer than him
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>>408523964
> his replacements have already shown to have more creative liberties than he did his whole career.
how so?
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>>408525810
Truly an accursed fate we have to live with
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>>408526093
they have different body shapes
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>>408526030
Doi never made anything that can beat P3 Thanatos.
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>>408526180
can you bring specific examples and the artist that did it
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>>408526267
shekinah
vishnu flynn
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>Doi is better than Soejima
No.
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>>408524818
Chaos bros...we're fucked.
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>>408526524
don't worry we coming
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>>408526492
this is just an Eva
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>>408526701
But it looks good unlike the uninspired shit like Idun and Zeus.
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Doi is a better designer, Soejima is a better illustrator.
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>>408526492
Soejima is a better illustrator yes
mostly cause when was the last time Doi did an illustration, goddamn, still mad over the one year anniversary art
you know what maybe if we had Soejima he'd design demons faster and we would get a bigger roster, I changed my mind please bring soejima over
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hire Junji Ito as a guest demon designer
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>>408527114
Atlus is never risking guest demon designs ever again no matter who
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>>408526890
what is Doi Zeus a ripoff of?
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>>408527114
desu I like his plain cute girls
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>>408527278
NTA but it's some Kamen Rider shit, thats all I know.
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>>408527278
Fang Joker R
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>>408527547
got damn it Doi
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>>408527278
Kamen Raider W' Fang Joker form
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>>408527278
It's sort of debated, but Atlus has a weird relationship with Spikesoft and Doi loves to "borrow" from popular Japanese culture with Kamen Rider. Most of Doi's designs are inspired by a lot of Japanese media, like Doi Lucifer having a toy like design with stuff happening with the back of his model like figures that can be built from scratch.
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>>408527953
>Doi Lucifer having a toy like design with stuff happening with the back of his model like figures that can be built from scratch
please show me an image of what you're talking about
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Knowledge lucifer having synthetic aesthetics must have lore reasons
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>>408527953
V Lucifer is just IVA Satan redesigned and you can't change my mind.
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>>408528329
>peg leg
>hand post
enough deviance
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Starscreamcifer seems more like a Satan design than a Lucifer design.
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>>408528175
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0frsuRmJx2w
I don't want to re-downlod SMTV to my PC to view the models, but you can look at the models themselves after ripping them from the switch version sine a lot of the file system is the same after decompiling an XCI file. Looking at the back has a weird switch that is mostly with mecha figures when putting them together with piecing the parts together.
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>>408528175
https://youtu.be/XdiZN8uatH0?t=391
people even called him robo lucifer when the design leaked
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>>408528623
okay, I just realized you're talking about Lucifer from the end of V
I was thinking you were talking about Cenobite Lucifer from IV and IVA
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>>408528807
The back of the wings have bolts. lmao.
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>>408528837
Doi didn't do any demon designs for IV you know that anon don't you?
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>>408528959
no I did not
I thought he did at least some of them since he designed the humans
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>>408528959
Krishna, Dagda, Maitreya, Odin, the gay horse, Mermaid, the big head fox, Inanna.
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>>408527953
>figures that can be built from scratch.
Model kits?
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>>408529114
Doi only did the humans, armors and all the promotional art(including cover) in IV, and >>408529159 in IV:A alongside refining the demons that came back from IV
IV designs are done by 6 designers, all of them were popular in tokusatsu industry
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>>408529274
The name slipped my mind. It's been a very long time sine I last got one of any kind.
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Mecha Lucifer was pretty cool. Only issue are the legs, otherwise the looks suits the most beautiful angel.
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Mecha Lucifer assuming the name of Satan after taking the Throne would have really tickled my fancy
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>>408529693
Based. Also enjoy the Turkey fellow summoner.
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>>408529693
soon*
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>>408529693
what the fuck is in that left pan?
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>>408529569
but why was it mecha
people say that's cause angels in SMT are robatic, but not all of them are. they are robatic to show they don't have any freewill themselves, that's not the case with lucifer at all
some nahobino have robatic aesthetics, the bino and tsukuyomi do. but that's because both aogami and Koshimizu are protofiends. abdiel does not, neither does Nuwa. so gaining knowledge won't make you synthetic.
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>>408529862
Looks like dressing maybe.
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>>408529862
Stuffing
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will TMS team be able to do a good desu 3 game
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>>408527114
Sorachi as the next Persona story author
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>>408530354
>will TMS team be able to do a good
No.
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did TMS have actual dungeon design?
I know I've heard bad things about SH2's dungeons though I'm not sure if that's solely just the visual appeal or if they are boringly designed as well
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>>408531093
More than SH2, but it's not saying much.
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SMT but art is directed by Tsutomu Nihei
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I'm playing V and wtf?
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>>408531228
you gay now UwU
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>>408531228
It gets worse friend
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>>408531228
yeah...
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>>408531228
Don't pick bully replies. Be nice to him.
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Got Tilottama from a fusion accident, never even heard of this bitch before because looks like she was only ever in this
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>>408531093
They're okay. I'd put them a step above SH2 or V's dungeons. They remind me of Persona 5's dungeons if anything.
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>>408532158
I'll give you a tip: Makakaja is the only buff in the game and it's a permanent buff for the rest of the mission to your INT stat to who uses it. It can also be applied multiple times.
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>>408532479
What the fuck
That sounds busted and cheesy. Is there a dekaja or anything in the game that enemies will try to use against me?
I gotta raise my magic users magic stats more in general though to get more out of magic, I've still mostly been minmaxing agility for those sweet doubles
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>>408532931
No
https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Majin_Tensei_II:_Spiral_Nemesis_Skills
Also with EXTRA skills, they are the skills that are transferred when you fuse
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Can Ringo & Figue get pregnant? Asking for a friend
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>>408534368
Yes I made them preggers.
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>>408534368
You should ask /pg/
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I know people here like to say "haha demon is hot I wanna fuck her", but anyone else simply can't get into Megaten demons or it's female characters?
Maybe it's due to Kaneko/Doi artstyle or how weird the designs are, but I can't fap to them.
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>>408535281
if you don't want to fuck lilim you're gay
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>>408535281
Part of me want's to grab the bottom half and go to town.
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>>408535281
Doi's art is literally moeblobs what do you mean
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>>408535281
Most demons are 100% not fap material. They are creepy, not sexy.
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>>408535281
found the Personanigger
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Wave of Death
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Need money hacks for Nocturne Hardtype [PS2]. I can't justify grinding for macca now that I am no longer in college with infinite free time
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>>408547331
all I ever heard from /smtg/ about this fight was "muh Disaster Cycle" which was completely mitigatable. Wave of Death however, that move can go suck a dick.
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Are there any speedruns for the original megami tensei on the NES? I'd love to see one
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divegrass tomorrow at around 18:20 utc
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>>408548878
Let’s go!
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>one of the new pokemon is literally just a flamingo called flamingo
When will SMT reach this state?
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>>408552607
when they just rip designs from well known anime and plop them in the game as goddesses
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>>408552735
wait a minute...
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>>408552735
Saintia Sho wasn't very well-known imo
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I want PM Koshimizu to fill my holes
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>>408552607
Ill give you the benefit of the doubt and say it was an instinctive typo and not phone posting, but its Flamigo. Literally just took the n out of it.
And before anyone says it, I know Seel exists. Difference is that was the first run around, I'd expect them to have it down 9 mainline games in and not do the exact same thing again
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>>408552607
>>408553672
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=af3bGm2M2Kk
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>>408553672
>>408552607
these are localized names, numbnuts
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>>408554008
I beat the design is localized too right?
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>>408554135
https://media.tenor.com/BzdybKbJj7gAAAAC/moving-goalpost.gif
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>>408554369
alright, fair enough. I just really wanted to bring up the design matching the name in effort
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>>408554469
I was being facetious, it really is a shit design with an equally shit name
then again, I'm one of those people that hates seeing the same got damn demons in the starting levels of every MegaTen so I really don't know what the solution is.
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>>408554667
Unironically if we got redesigns of all the demons again that might get them to put different ones in the first acts. Worst case scenario the starting demons get new designs to look at. Though with how divided the opinion on Doi is that's a monkey's paw idea.
Wonder why he hasnt made a Pixie redesign yet, feels like the logical next step after Jack Frost
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>>408554992
I'm gonna be honest with you, I have no idea what the difference is between Doi Frost and whatever was immediately before that
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>>408555238
White accents, no yellow balls on his collar, pre-doi had defined teeth whereas doi frost has that flesh teeth thing going on, and the face on his hat was erased according to official art, though maybe its slightly different in game. I really dont like it, I think its a complete downgrade
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>>408557116
But of course
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there had to have been a better way to word this
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>>408554667
>I'm one of those people that hates seeing the same got damn demons in the starting levels of every MegaTen so I really don't know what the solution is.
IMO I think redesigning the Pixies each game was a good idea which they kept for a little bit(Pixie in SMT1, High Pixie in SMT2, then pink cloth in Devil Summoner and short-bob in Soul Hackers).
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>It's another q.png episode
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>>408558229
linux thing
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>>408553236
Sex
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>>408558127
Naoki has severe autism don't bully him.
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>>408553672
I don't care that I spelled it wrong it's fucking 3 AM.
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>>408484570
Eternal Punishment probably has the worst designs in the series, especially how all the new ultimate Persona designs are forgettable or inferior to the Innocent Sin Ultimate Persona designs.
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>>408547806
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7N4hH8pqpA
This is a TAS but i still think it's really fucking sick to watch
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>>408564120
I actually managed to find an RTA one from the recommended tab of that run very based
https://youtu.be/8rJNriSiobo
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there is a IV vs V thread on V that got me thinking about level design in V and how can it be made better
one anon points out how IV and V do the exact same level structure and gimmicks (this time a bit more complected but nevertheless it's the same stuff mostly) and that's mostly because it's the same people doing those designs between IV and V, and they are all new people with no experience with how atlus designed dungeons in nocturne, DDS and SJ
but still, the current SMT making team is a mix of SMT and EO people, and Komori indicated he's gonna stay working on mainline, so maybe gimmicks and level designs in EO will be brought over.
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Majin Tensei III- Vengeful Scroll for Nintendo Switch
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Million must fuse
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really hope they start hiring artists specifically to work on mainline and spin offs the way they hire artists for Soejima. Doi needs assistants and he should start thinking about who will be designing after him. plus there's a thriving fan artist community, maybe some of them would find working for Atlus appealing.
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>>408553338
I want to help him solve the Japanese low birth rate crisis.
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>>408572375
sh-shut up don't cut the line
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>>408484570
He half-arsed Persona 2 because he wasn't enthusiastic about it to begin with.
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>>408523653
Yes
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>>408523653
I want a SMT game by Soejima and a Persona game by Doi just to see how different their designs would be.
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>>408535281
I could write a long list of MegaTen (SMT, Debisama, DeSu, Persona) women and demons that I would fuck. Maybe you need to step up your horny game.
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I love how Japanese fujoshi decided to associate Koshimizu with cute rabbits because he's the moon god and there's that legend about the moon rabbit pounding mochi in Japan. It's very cute.
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>>408573421
DDSisters…
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>>408574026
DDS is included too I just need to get around to those games. I've had physical copies for over 10 years and haven't played them yet.
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there's only 1 megaten character i want to fuck
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>>408573565
moon being assocated with rabbits is all over south east asian cultures
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>>408574646
don't leave us in suspense anon
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Please tell this this fucking awful "save the civillians" mission is 100% optional and i don't need to do her in order to get a good ending. I been stuck on her for hours
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Forgot the pic
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I want to fuck Mirai
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>>408574728
I know that, but Tsukuyomi is specifically a Japanese god.
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maken interview says Kaneko likes to cosplay, but I've never seen him in any cosplay, wish there were pics
it also says he likes bruce lee, Yasaku matsuda (wasn't that the guy narumi and debisama's protag are based on?) and gaultier
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>>408575740
>>408574646
I see
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>>408573565
I like that one art someone made for the eclipse in Japan where the eclipse caused Koshimizu to lose his power so he turned into a rabbit and had to hide in his office for the rest of the day.
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>>408577462
He likes to see people doing cosplays of his designs, he even said that the Demonica would be a complicated design for cosplayers at one point.
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>>408577981
no he says he likes to do cosplays himself.
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akinari's social link in p3 - the sun is considered one of the best in the game, and i agree.

it's story ties in very well with the themes of p3. it deals with inevitable death, finding the strength to move on after facing an incredible loss, and giving to others without getting anything in return

akinari is terminally ill and he knows he's going to die soon.

akinari finds the strength to keep living despite this and writes a book.
his mom also finds the strength to keep going after akinari dies.

the mc in his book - the pink alligator lives miserably and eventually dies, and in his death he creates something beautiful for others without anyone even knowing he is responsible for it - a beautiful river.

social link:
https://youtu.be/quMZRUeqTMc

social link "epilogue"
https://youtu.be/r7IVApGIEEc
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>>408578359
The fact that Persona is better written then any game released after SJ is sad.
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>>408523653
Doi is equal to Kaneko
Soejima is bad
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>Doi is equal to Kaneko
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>>408573421
a child should not dress like this
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>>408580313
equal in what aspect
style wise, he's closer to Soejima, but he seems to take design inspiration read: ripping off and copying Kaneko much, much more
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Is there any point in trying Chaos route in Majin Tensei 2 aside from the plot? Like new maps or something.
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>>408577691
Do you have it? I want to see it.
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>>408578359
what did you guys thing about how "the meaning of life" was presented in akinari's social link?

for akinari, he decided not to worry about the meaning of his life. he thought he created meaning when he gave to others - how much he helped people is what defined his life's meaning.

it was interesting too because in the "epilogue" his mom was able to find the strength to keep going because of everything he'd done for her - he just lived as her son and told her how grateful he was to have been given life, and that's all she needed to keep going.

so i think akinari's life had meaning, at least to his mom. she was able to keep going because of him and he might not have even known that, which would also fit with the story he wrote.

what did you guys think of akinari's "meaning of life"?
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>>408582603
Never finished P3 but what I think his meaning of life is is helping others and being selfless.
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>>408568072
nice
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How easy is it to 100% complete the compendium in SMT5? I gave up for SMT4 because of the sheer number of demons and the race of demons you only get thanks to fusion accidents.
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>>408585562
you have to do all the routes with the alignment unless you want to pay lots of macca for route exclusive missions that you can only do if you pay when your alignment does not match
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>>408585313
I can’t look at this man without laughing-he looks serious and I’m writing this man getting his ass blasted.
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Clotho's Clothos
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>>408586616
Clotho’s clothes on the ground
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>>408586501
>I’m writing this man getting his ass blasted.
based. how's it coming along?
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>>408586695
I am 4K words in deep at this point. I am terrified.
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>>408586802
>I am 4K words in deep at this point.
wow, that's great. i honestly didn't know what to expect effort wise but i think you're dedicated to this smut fic, which i appreciate
>I am terrified.
why? don't be terrified
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>>408586802
4-4-4K WORDS?!
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>>408575563
It's required, and honestly the mission after it is just as annoying. Trust me when I say that you're not the only one that got frustrated by that mission.
If you're still on it, you're going to want to deal with the Toubyou first. He rarely attacks (which means he usually gets to move two turns in the time it takes you to do one turn) and is usually the one that ends up escaping. Once you've got him down, you should split the teams up and focus on keeping the civilians alive as you take down the enemies. You can heal the civilians if you're nearby, don't forget that.
Kishins can also help a lot since they let you attack twice (though attacking twice in one turn does make your next turn take longer) so that's something to consider.
Also, positioning is extremely important. Some racial skills are great for controlling enemy movement or moving around the field quickly.
>Flight (avian)
>Animal Leg (beast)
>Bind (jaki)
>Phantasma (genma)
>Devil Speed (wilder)
>Evil Wave (dragon) (but you don't get extra turns, keep that in mind)
>Constrict (snake)
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>>408586802
How
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>>408586802
based
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all fields
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>>408590383
/sthg/ is down the hall
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Just got to 2052 AD on neutral route, siding with ogiwara. Shame it looks like it depresses karen so much she literally walks out of the story right there, but the field and battle music in this area is kino so whatever. I will do one of your routes another day karen
https://youtu.be/kmvj07U96Og
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Is he okay, bros?
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imagine if Koshimitsu was sexually grooming Tao before he ever noticed Yuzuru
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>>408592968
I really like this image.
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>ligh alignment
>can't talk to light-alignment demons
Why
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>>408593449
Are you chaos?
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>>408593382
Vfags when they see an unaccompanied minor.
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>>408593519
No, law.
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>>408593580
Then you can't talk to chaos demons no matter what. The games are kinda funky.
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>>408593626
BUT THEY ARE LAW TOO
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>>408593713
F
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>>408593382
this reminded me of that one shota koshiyuzu I read and hated myself afterwards
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>>408593551
I'm not a Vfag, I'm a Taofag, and only when I'm horny
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is Persona Q any fun?
fwiw I loved Soul Hackers and SJ
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>>408596123
Every played an Etrian Odyssey game?
There you go, with a Persona Skin and characters.
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>amd
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>>408597367
AMD Amx86
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>>408597367
>chaos h
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>>408597367
Was Steven a shitposter?
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>>408401117
>want to play SMT III after really liking V
>look at the HD remaster
>honestly looks worse than the ps2 version and the audio doesn't match the quality of the voices so it sounds super shitty for me as a first time observer of it
>the combat animations also look fucking weird in 2022, especially after V came out recently
>and the colour is fucking shithouse now

But aside from that, III actually does look a hell of a lot darker than V and I just wish it got a proper remake, not this shitty half assed remake. Sigh.
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which EO should I start with I heard 3
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>>408598419
3 is said to be the best and 1 and 2 have remakes. The EO general says one of them is easier than the others.
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Does the neutral route of majin tensei 2 have light and dark variations or do only the law and chaos routes get those
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>>408598646
Only Law and Chaos.
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>>408598190
Not every game needs a remake.
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>>408486597
I'm more a nabohino fan, personally.
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>>408590960
Digital Devil story TV series…
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>>408531228
I've never played III or IV and I will probably never understand the hate.
Is it too easy or something?
What did it do wrong?

I personally one of my favorite games. That's hell weird how I will never be able to tell because III got an abysmal remake.
But I can kinda tell that if it had the sound and visuals of V it would probably be a better game given how dark and hellish it looks.
V is a different form of hellish though, more like an acid trip hell.
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is radiant historia perfect chronology in a similar situation to SJR?
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>>408600472
No, radiant history was never good.
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>>408600471
play them then. there is a guide in the neocities and it's linked in the op.
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>>408600807
eh? I constantly hear people call it the best turned based system atlus ever made
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>Vfags are newfags that can't play the PS2 games because of "gwaphix"
It's over. Isn't it?
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>>408599119
Well then I'm never going to play it.
It's literal ear and eye cancer now, going from some playthroughs on youtube.
The PS2 version might be the way to go.
>no voices
oh god dammit.

It's just the look and the sound of III, it sounds like it's in a gameboy (both versions) and it's lacking all of the glow or something from the PS2 version, which actually looks acceptable.
If they literally just used the engine of SMTV and made it darker or something to not feel like it, it would be far palatable.

Or just make another SMT but far darker than V, which was good colouring, but too "colourful" if ya get me.
III looks like it's in silent hill at times, you never got that in V. And III seems to be far heavier on the theme of doom and death too. V has interesting style, but it doesn't quite hit the form of dark gothic ethereal you get immediately from III... well until the shitty outdated over-compressed (ironic considering V also has that issue) battle music plays.
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>>408601557
No it's more a missed opportunity by Atlas because I'm super keen to play it after having played V, but this isn't 2003 and it looks somehow like it came out in 2000 at times.
It's clearly a masterpiece that could easily be reintroduced to the modern age and new fanbases, but for some reason they barely made the effort with the remake.

V doesn't look or feel anything like III and III's always had me sorta interested in it's artwork and general essence even without looking at the actual game. The idea is interesting.
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>tfw I play ronde for the gameplay and people can’t even play nocturne because of graphics
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>tfw I play ronde for the graphics
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>>408598190
>the combat animations also look fucking weird in 2022, especially after V came out recently
They look fine to me but that's probably my nostalgia talking. The animations in V are way too long even with skipping them.
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>>408602385
RONDEgod... I kneel...
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>>408596328
Fuck this flamboyant asshole for softlocking my IS save
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>>408602137
>looks like it came out in 2000 at times
That's when it started development.
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>>408603018
He is my best friend in Apocalypse
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>>408600471
The problem with V is that it lacks a proper story and doesn't have dungeon crawling (the only dungeons are like two and are short as fuck), it's a Nocturne sequel without key aspects of Nocturne like Reasons instead of DND alignments and the goth-ish style and designs instead of V's moe anime boys, V also lacks the philosophy focus with the characters in Nocturne. The gameplay is really slow and every boss has a weakness making it easy.
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>>408603749
>A Nocturne sequel without key aspects of Nocturne like Reasons instead of DND alignments
>V also lacks the philosophy focus with the characters in Nocturne.
I get the impression doi just never liked/appreciated/even understood that aspect of nocturne, considering his major contributions to maniax was a traditional alignment ending that presents itself as the superior ending compared to all the more interesting reason endings.
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>>408604283
Doi worked on TDE? I thought it was only Komori and Yamai?
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>>408604375
No, I meant yamai but I was thinking about doi and didn't realise my retard brain wrote him into my sentence instead of the guy I was actually talking about
Please forgive my retardation
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>>408598158
Well, he sent to the masses an equivalent of "Nigerian Prince" e-mail.
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What the fuck was this guy's problem?
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>>408604528
Haha, it's okay I do the same sometimes too.
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>>408523653
Uh... can I get an actually good one?
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>>408604569
He was based
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>>408603101
Well that explains things.

>>408602929
>The animations in V are way too long even with skipping them.
I agree, they get a bit slow.

>>408603749
>The problem with V is that it lacks a proper story
The story in V is actually pretty shitty, however the over-saturated theme of the world, the sense of doom, the ethereal and the world slipping more and more into the void was pretty well done regardless. I also think the design of nabohino is pretty interesting and matches the feel well.
But the dialogue and plot was bordering camp in a funny way. It really clashed with how serious the music, the world design and the general aura of the game felt.

I'm assuming III does it far better. But it's clearly far grittier and viscerally demonic (yet somehow also ethereal) and the lead just looks like a total badass.
Regardless, I like V a lot, more than the personas (though I haven't played 3 - which is also a completely different feel from P4 and P5 - or earlier).
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>>408603749
V isn't a Nocturne sequel, it's a TDE sequel.
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>>408604283
Doi actually has an appreciation for vanilla nocturne, as I think one of the areas in V references an idea they had for Nocturne dungeons but couldn't implement
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cup is live, we're the third match today
https://cytube.implying.fun/c/vgleague
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>>408603749
I hate to break it to you but V endings were reasons with a law/neutral/chaos coat of paint. None of the arguments for each alignment were typical alignment endings. Remember how people were getting confused on their first play throughs thinking Yakumo was chaos and Koshimizu was neutral? The fact they aren't called law/neutral/chaos endings in the guide book is proof they were going for something else.
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>>408605235
>I hate to break it to you but V endings were reasons with a law/neutral/chaos coat of paint.
Which completely and utterly defeats the point. No, not just defeats the point, it murders the point and desecrates its corpse
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>>408605342
Nocturne also had law/neutral/chaos endings
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>>408605418
No.
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>>408605446
Yes
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>>408605235
They aren't called reasons or function like them.
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>>408604847
Fuck off, nerd.
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>>408605591
Goko basically refereed to them that way, but it's in a shitty bugged dialog.
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Nocturne (Vanilla) and Devil Survivor 2 have the best alignment systems in megaten.
I don't think law neutral chaos is inherently bad, but its definitely tired and boring at this point.
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do people literally fail to understand that Yakumo ending is literally meant to be the equivalent to Nocturne normal demon ending
It's a bad ending because you ultimately decided to listen to someone has absurd ideas for a peaceful and that there's better ways to do thus as shown with true neutral ending
hell, you don't even fight the final boss in yakumo ending and things are left unsolved
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>>408605729
It's true, fagget.
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>>408605889
Sounds to me like yakumo is a cuck.
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>>408605760
I'm going to kill myself, jk. But it still sucks they just made l/n/c again but labeled them as reasons. You can do a lot of social commentary in the 2020s, they should've used those as inspiration for them.
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>>408604569
he got some cojones
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>>408606016
about the 2020s*
Fuck...
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>>408606016
The modern day issue V mostly tackles is war and politics. Everyone wants the war to end, there are civilians caught in the cross fire on both sides, and the leadership (Bethel) can't come to terms with itself and the war just continues perpetually. It's no coincidence that one of the alignments is literally the Prime Minister. Every ending is a potential solution to that problem. Comparatively each reason in Nocturne is just a solution to declining humanity. The main difference though is how they are presented. In Nocturne you don't really know how each world turned out, in V you're told what happens to the world you make in the future, except the true end.
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A new digital devil saga game but the demon forms are hr giger esque
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>>408606936
Making a game about war is really overdone and its barely touched upon in the story other than the demon castle. The game doesn't deal with real world politics in Japan just autistic demons arguing. The themes Yamai talked about in the first V interview were really interesting and better than the shit we got.
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>reasons

Ok that shit sounds fucking cool, why the hell was that taken out in V?
That's not even close to good in V. The endings in V are pretty dumb, apart from that ending where the protag smirks smuggly at the camera, knowing the chaos, death and misery he just caused.
V really misses the philosophical depth actually.

Maybe I should just play III.
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>>408607606
The destroy the throne ending recognizes that humanity is winning the war by that point and by doing anything else is harming humanity more than anything.
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>>408605858
I think the idea of "Lawful", "Neutral" and "Chaos" are complete subjective horseshit personally, that's why I can kinda see why people like III's reason thing more.
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>>408607606
Reasons werent that interesting. And some of the characters tied to them are absent for half the game
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>>408607606
Nocturne is fun to talk about but all these concepts are like 10% of the runtime lol
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>>408607606
Most Mainline titles use the l/n/c system (exceptions are IF.., Nocturne and Apocalypse). Japanese oldfags complained about not having the usual alignment system when Vanilla Nocturne released so they added a chaos ending called the destruction ending or TDE in the rerelease. V is made by the people who wrote the rerelease content and I don't think they liked that aspect of Nocturne.
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Nocturne HD should have added autistic new alternate reasons where you can side with the manakins, gozu tennou, and hijiri instead of just sitting and watching them get live leaked
>Manakins aren't allowed to create a world through the reason system
I know, they can do something weird with it where it doesn't engage with the regular system
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I just finished reading volume 1 of Quantum Devil Saga. Its amazing how I recognize some lines here and there as direct translations or paraphrasing of actual in-game lines. As I read, I can imagine the in-game cutscenes these book scenes would go with, recall the original game cutscenes, compare and notice the differences. A fascinating work so far
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Why is Gavriil green
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>>408607606
Reasons survive as a talking point because people still argue what they actually mean. You have no idea how their concepts factor into a new world. So people debate what a world ruled by the strong and beautiful will look like. In V, you're told what each world looks like so the only debate is which world looks best. Most people would agree destroy the throne is the best outcome even if it comes at the cost of being a temporary world.
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>>408606936
I like the idea of the protagonist being hands tied and only able to choose bad decisions with no good ending.
But obviously normalfags can't handle that. It doesn't satisfy them (which is ironic because good endings really don't satisfy me given the context involved here - modern philosophy, in particular LEGAL ethics, doesn't talk about philosophical dilemmas in terms of lawful, neutral or chaos. Often things are discussed in terms of utilitarianism, universalism, empiricism, natural law, legal positivism, deontology, etc.
It's highly complex and to just narrow it to merely "lawful, neutral and chaos" is fucking laughable considering how we actually consider things in practice.
Then you may add the hindu/bhuddist trains of thought, natsoc, marxist, anarchist, twists to things on top this.

Legal theory is actually incredibly interesting as a tool for themes in narratives and media and never do I see it come up in movies, games or most art.
Yet III seems to hint at it and it's actually interesting and stands out to me.
So does New Vegas.
I kinda wanted V to go that way 2bh.

We really oversimplify this shit in media to the point where anti-heroes become more interesting because they have deeper levels of ethical points of view.
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>noooo why did you ask Zelenin to sing nooooo
Lmaooo
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>>408609456
>You have no idea how their concepts factor into a new world
That's what I like about the endings themselves, it makes you actually think about it. Nocturne was clearly made for theoryfags and it works.
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>>408609520
>Legal theory
What is meant by "legal theory" in this context?
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I don't really have a problem with alignments just wish they used something other than Judaeochristian deities for it. one reason I think people like reasons is that it's not directly puts you in the classic law vs chaos conflict.
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>>408607771
Yeah but what about the poor debirus and angerus, anon?
Are they really that distinguishable from people at times?
Doesn't the game hint how there really is a demonic or angelic essence within all people? I thought that's why the Persona series branched off.
How do we balance our moral dilemma here? How do we question "what is the human response" to such moral dilemmas?

The answer is never gonna be satisfactory, but this is a great opportunity for exploration with smt's reason gameplay.
Maybe they just have to step back from the mere gameplay and focus on the esoteric a bit more there. Perhaps mere active realtime events aren't what satisfies us entirely in a game.

Because it was the raw essence of V that I actually really liked and they totally failed to nail it with the written plot and written philosophical reasoning that went with it.
>guy that designed more of III's game only did the mere world and demons in V
That explains a lot. Maybe Soejima should have more input in the story, because he got it across in the mere world design to me. I don't know how though.
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>>408610343
It would be cool is Atlus tried to be creative
>>408610587
The true ending has all the debils die.
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The abscess with the 99lvl demons is kicking my ass, I think I'm way too underleveled for that shit. But I don't think I should get rid of some of my demons by fusing them just yet, they can still be useful despite being around lvl50-55. What do? I'm trying to grind just a tiny little bit more to fuse Ishtar but are there any other demons around that level I could also fuse?
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>>408605729
He's right though
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>>408610672
Try again around level 65 and use a demon with Accursed Poison.
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>>408607819
>Reasons werent that interesting.
I think they're an incredibly interesting idea, but I have yet to see it be done well in a video game and I think SMT is one of the few that have come close to hinting it (though it too hasn't come close to properly nailing it).
The battle gameplay plus that shit could be key to unlocking really interesting gameplay mechanics.

They sort of half hint it with negotiations too, this play on how beings react and engage to your questioning of things. But they simplify it waaaaaay too much and could make it a real head scratcher and a real mechanic, rather than this extra thing they put on top of it.

I would love a game that actually went balls deep with it.
But then again I know damn well most people would struggle to like that or even understand it.
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>>408610934
I'll look for a demon like that, thanks for the advice. I managed to kill Pixie and Slime by poisoning everyone to deal damage or making everyone fall asleep to make them lose turns so I guess I had the right strategy in mind.
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>>408610660
>The true ending has all the debils die.
YAMERO
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>get ai generating image thingy
>put "shin megami tensei" as the prompt
>the ai gives me this
is she the megami that is tenseing?
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Smt needs more ASS. The only thing that can save us now is ASS.
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>>408611076
negotiation is 100% randomized bullshit. there is no logic behind it and you can prove this with emulator save states

Reasons as an idea are middling interesting but the game doesnt really explore any of it. You have the weak gay incel who wants to hide from everyone on one side, and hulk smash le girl boss hypergynoid on the other. and both characters basically disappear from the game entirely for long stretches. Nocturne is very overrated
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>>408609819
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurisprudence

This is essentially what they're trying to hint at.
But they probably weren't aware of it at the time. It goes a little further than mere philosophy and is more a discussion on ethics and the design of law as a tool.
It's probably the only thing of interest that has developed from our modern legal system (because the rest aside from it is utterly revolting nonsense).

It's like if you remove the thought bubbles and boundaries from political ideology and enter something far more hands off, yet architectural in nature of the legal discussion.
It's in that spot of reasoning just before it becomes mere philosophical babble.
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WE'RE UP LADS

https://cytube.implying.fun/c/vgleague
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>>408611616
>You have the weak gay incel who wants to hide from everyone on one side, and hulk smash le girl boss hypergynoid on the other.
Kino.
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>>408611836
Kino time
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>>408611967
she's going to bully you and put you in a cockenballs cage
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>>408611616
>negotiation is 100% randomized bullshit.
Which is the problem, if they could personalize and contextualize it, it would be far more interesting.
Right now it just feels like random guessing.

Maybe you need "neutral prompts" to continue discussion with a demon to discuss things relating to it and how it thinks more.

The problem there is that it would slow down the battles a great deal.
It really is a hard thing to get right without losing how engaged you are with it.
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>>408612106
Hot.
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>>408612123
>The problem there is that it would slow down the battles a great deal.
>It really is a hard thing to get right without losing how engaged you are with it.
Every time I negotiate with a demon in P1 I feel like crying because it takes so long. I wonder if they'll ever get it right.
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Why does SMTV feel so SOULLESS? When playing it I feel the same way I feel about Switch (and even 3DS) Pokemon games.
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>>408599931
I haven't jerked off in awhile and this 'bino is giving me the "fuck me in the ass" vibes...
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CHAOS CHADS
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>>408613441
You HAVE been keeping up with NNN, right anon?
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>>408612748
>Every time I negotiate with a demon in P1 I feel like crying because it takes so long.
That's because it's not engaging. It's just another pokemon battle of types and it's missing the point.
They really need to look into modern chatbot AI with this stuff.

>>408612776
>SOULLESS
I thought it had a lot of soul, but poor execution.
That soundtrack and world style is quite something.

It's the same problem with FE 3 Houses. It has a lot of soul, but there's a lot of parts that aren't polished or executed well which comes off as soulless, rather than merely rushed or a mere mess.
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>PULL THE TRIGGER NOW
LMAO
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>>408613441
How they made such a weirdly androgynous, yet srs badass, semen demon is beyond me.
Reminds me of the androgynous creatures in things like the manga "Blame".
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>have to fight a bunch of big bads for keys to unlock door to godland
>don't lock the door behind you after you go in
what a dumb
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>>408604569
white women
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>playing smt3 on ps2
>loading screens regularly appoaching 30 minutes after reaching Ikebukuro
Anyone have something like this happen to them?
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>>408614693
Loading screens? Something's wrong with your Ps2 dude.
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>>408614693
Is your PS2 fucked? It takes not even a second to load for me.
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someone please clip that demifiend goal
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WE DID IT CHAOSBROS
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>>408609792
There is plenty of theory fag bullshit in V too.
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>>408615768
Fuck Nepfags
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>>408615768
base
disappointed KILL YOUR FRIENDS didnt actually kill a nep. i mean if youre gonna get carded make it worth
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>>408615768
Is there a vod?
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>>408616056
vods are posted after all the matches are done, I'll link it here when it's up
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chaos chads just can't stop winning
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>>408615781
I wasn't denying that.
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>>408616410
Sanat has to be the worst demon design of all time
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>>408616624
Sanat looks pretty good with clusterfuck removed
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>>408609792
>>408615781
It's kinda meaningless in V because the choice is literally just a few small flags and a choice at the end.
It doesn't make you think about the consequences of actions and empathize more significantly with the issues being addressed.
To me smt really breaks the forth wall a lot with things regardless (it still does in V in other ways) but the most crucial element to use for that aspect could be the theory stuff which directly parallels your real world consequences in a more basal and rooted form without mere esoteric metaphor. By asking things in more concrete and lest abstract terms and details you really force the player to actually engage with their own views and stances on the world.
Normally gamers just collect endings and kinda just feels old now. We haven't moved on from it.

But at least smt adds ambiguity to every ending you get. To me, the idea of a good ending is bad as a narrative ending. Shakespeare in particular was very good at avoiding them to ask questions about his own world. The good ending is ice cream, the bad ending is also ice cream. But an ambiguous neutral ending based on theory and ethical questions does at least have more substance to think about when you get it.

It's amazing how little it is done in most games. I guess devs are too focused on just getting the game working or something kek.
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>>408607606
>Maybe I should just play III.
If you ever decide to play III I suggest emulating it or playing it on an actual PS2, the Remaster fucks up the lighting with Unity plug-ins and has a ton of FPS drops, the only reason to buy it would be if you wanted voice acting or the ability to play the game without the rerelease content (this is only in the steam version).
If you play on an actual PS2 I suggest getting a CRT TV for cheap since it makes it look higher quality.
Only images I could find of Nocturne on a CRT on Google were linked to R*ddit, sorry.
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>>408609520
>I like the idea of the protagonist being hands tied and only able to choose bad decisions with no good ending.
You say that about III when V did the same thing. V presents it differently which is probably what you don't like about it. V's protag is forced to pick reasons not of his own choosing as well. It's the scene with the tree of knowledge and him being separated from Aogami. That influence forces him down the path to pick one of 3 choices instead of his own. Meanwhile in Nocturne you're told a few times that the Demi fiend can't make his own reason due to being part demon, mostly towards the end of the game. In Demi's case, its a bit more logical to assume that a world needs to be made by a human instead of a demon even if they don't go into the specific details over why that is. In V the MC is sort of put under some trance that forces him to pick a side and kill the others. The details over why and how aren't explained either and it's presented like some reference to Eve eating the forbidden fruit while Adam is kept preoccupied so he can't stop it from happening. The metaphor fits with the game but it makes the ending a bit more confusing than it needs to be.
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>>408616410
Reminder that the guest artist who made it literally said in his developer comment that he intentionally made it look nothing like the religious figure it was supposed to be because he was afraid of offending people and instead admitted to just throwing in a bunch of random African and tiki bullshit, which is apparently not the same thing as making a depiction of a god even though tikis are gods because Africans are "easy going"?
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>>408598419
4
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>>408598419
start with untold 1
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>>408616158
Thanks my dude
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>>408617229
>n V the MC is sort of put under some trance that forces him to pick a side and kill the others.
When? What?
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>>408610587
Soejima?
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>>408617353
>>408617390
imma get IV and untold 2, should I go for untold one instead
didn't get 3 cause not sure how good Twilight Menu++ works
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>>408618458
etrian odyssey games actually all play in the same universe and untold 1 introduces you to the world the best, plus, it would be hard to go back to it after playing some of the later ones with ultra good dungeon designs, so it's best to start with the earlier ones. say you started with IV, EOIV has a lot of features and dungeon design concepts the earlier games didnt have, so if you play IV I and II would feel more boring by comparision. so imo play untold 1, either story mode or classic mode (classic mode has a mysterious vibe and is kino but story mode isn't bad if you like cute girls)
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>>408602137
All this just to admit you're a moron.
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>>408618872
Vfags have been the worst thing to this fanbase.
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>>408618784
I watched a bit of IV gameplay and it looked really comfy
thanks anon
mostly want to see how games Komori directed are to see how would future SMT games would be like but also want to play EO in general, so I think I'll play untold nevertheless
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>>408610672
you are too early but use ailments
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>>408611474
SJ2 baby, full of mommy ASS
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>>408618993
I don't get it.
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>>408619047
Your post reminded me. The Demon Castle in V, how when I think of it as less of a
"3D SMT Dungeon" and more of a
"1st person Grid EO Dungeon" put into 3D with free movement.
It starts to make a lot of sense.
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>>408619665
it does, but it straight up functions terribly
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>>408619665
that's what I want to make sense off
does the style of EO dungeon design do not gel with 3d environments and free movement, meaning EO is really dead and future SMT games will also be doomed
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Terry Davis in SMT when?
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>New staff don't want to work on SMT so they turn Apoc into Persona Lite
>EO Team doesn't wanna work on SMT so they turn V into EO
I guess that explains the lolis...
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>>408620358
Steven exists
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>>408620374
but SMT is kino wtf...
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>>408620474
Not schizo enough
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>>408617087
Can someone post examples of the lighting being messed up or worse? everyone says this recently but I didn't notice it much when I played
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>>408620509
He teleports and randomly stands up in 4
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>>408620590
it's too bright at times, and the demon ending scene is absolutely fucked
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>>408617087
I've already seen some youtube vids and I had already concluded they screwed up the lighting kek.
Hadn't even played the fucking thing and even I could tell from brief snippets of gameplay. It's that bad.
The HD version is eye cancer.

But... I do like voice acting.
The issue is some of the soundtrack, which isn't appealing to me in some of the battles. I don't know if it's a bad port or if it's just meant to sound like it came out of a gameboy.
But I might overlook that because people seem really enthusiastic about some interesting aspects in it.
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>>408620590
HD was outsourced so they could get it out before V releases and they didn't have play testers for some reason because look at what they did to the fucking regular demon ending.
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>>408618328
Maybe I should research it better.
I dunno, I think it's him though.
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>>408620809
I actually listen to my own music when battling in SMT games, haha.
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>>408618872
If you don't criticize a bad remake, it will never improve.
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>>408620968
Soejima's credits on Nocturne are complicated. he has credits for "Event Art Director" only on the vanilla version of the game. the thing you are probably thinking about is background and field design, which in all non persona PS2 megaten was done by Doi and Ishida. and Soejima does not have any credits on V, he left the studio that makes SMT games years ago.
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>>408620374
>I guess that explains the lolis...
Carol is best girl.
Behead those that lewd the sadist loli.
It is moe as fuck.
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>>408621352
Whatever they're doing in unreal 4 in SMTV looks utterly stunning to me.
It's not detailed or realistic at all (and that's a good thing, it's like a surrealist painting).

I was shocked by how good it looked visually. The colours are perfectly oversaturated.
Why am I thinking shoegaze? It's kinda similar in approach I guess, only instead of sound it's graphics design and colour.

Normally it's a bad thing when overdone, but it's actually perfect in this game.
A major risk too. They could have completely fucked that artistic venture with ease.
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>>408621732
I think you should really play nocturne, if you are willing to go back to P3, nocturne isn't all the more archaic than that. just give it a try
because imo V has moments of looking really good and most of the game's visual identity is over saturated Nocturne. picrel is a collage of scenes in nocturne I'm putting it under spoiler in case you want to experience them in game, but nocturne is a beautiful game, mostly because they spent so much time on bringing Kaneko's ideas to reality and give the game its unique visual aesthetics
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>>408622384
>That shot in the Musubi ending
God damn it, Anon, now you're making me sad...
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>>408622384
I think Nocturne is better suited with a more black/white/sepia tone than the colour overload though. The feel like two different sides of a similar beast though.
I dunno, I'm just obsessed with how a major company tried something ridiculously risky with art design in the world in either of these. That alone is why I praise V so much despite the plot issues and maybe issues with reason/theory aspects. I think old school fans really have to look at it more from that aspect to understand why it appeals to potential newfags to the series. It really stands out visually.
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>>408623804
any specific scenes that stand out for you?
I do think the design of nahobino is risky, still it's safe with mostly the audience of SMT games, being fans of Kaneko's camp designs. search Maken x. Doi (he's the new artist of SMT and the designer of all new characters and demons) plays it somewhat safe, sometimes too safe in some people's opinions.
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>>408613714
>It's the same problem with FE 3 Houses.
Not that guy but while I see why you'd say that it's a poor comparison. FE3H has good stuff, poorly executed ideas that seemed good on paper, and then you have shit like Edelgard not being allowed to be treated as a proper villain because the marketing team said cute girls sell more. I can't think of anything equivalent to that in SMT5.
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>>408616624
Daily reminder that Sanat is supposed to look like a 16 year old boy



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