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Acquire Elves, Disregard Dwarves Edition

Previous: >>368090327

What is /coopg/?
This general is for cooperative games; titles which need more than one player and requires them to work together to win. Examples of these include Vermintide 2, Deep Rock Galactic, Left 4 Dead, Killing Floor, Payday, GTFO, and so on. Rule of three obviously need not apply.

>Latest News/Updates:
Lost Planet 2: Exists

Deep Rock Galactic - Season 01: Patch 09
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Risk of Rain 2: Patch 1.1.1.4
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[Dev thoughts #24]
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Vermintide 2: Patch 4.5.1
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[Lohner's Chronicle - Wolf Time]
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PAYDAY 2: Update 216.3
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Killing Floor 2: Chop 'Til You Drop Christmas Update 2021
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Aliens: Fireteam Elite: Patch 1.0.2.92140
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GunFire Reborn:Exists
Astroneer: Exists
Second Extinction:Exists
Gauntlet: Exists
Helldivers: Exists
Strange Brigade: Exists

>Future games
Warhammer 40,000 Darktide: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-UifdRoC8I
Endless Dungeon
EDF 6
Ripout - in 2022
Payday 3 - in 2043

Build planners:
Vermintide: ranaldsgift.com
Deep Rock Galactic: karl.gg
PD2: pd2skills.com/
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First for SIR KROOBAH HAHA
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reminder, natural bond gets WORSE the MORE HP you have
not like its good to begin with
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Reminder that the Globadier's gas attacks do not count as AoE for purposes of damage reduction properties.
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How long will I have to wait this time for japs to release EDF in the west?
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For my sword and shield, what trait I should take
Opportunist to make my shield bashes stronger
Or Off Balance to help my mates bring down a monster while I tank it?
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reminder that the test dummy in the keep is almost never representative of how things actually deal damage or how much damage they deal
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>>368402514
Opportunist is amazing so you can bash berserkers and plague monks.
off balance is meh, and you wont really "focus" on monsters as foot knight, your job is to kill the horde, stagger elites (stormvermin, chaos warrior, etc..) and make room for your team to be able to kill specials (which you should do as well with your gun).
If you want to be more offense-heavy, use Swift Slaying. it'll boost your damage output by a big margin.
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>>368402514
For shields, you want to take opportunist and then generally build for the plague monk interrupt breakpoint for your push (Opportunist + 27% power), for easy elite bullying.
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I hate elves so goddamn much.
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Reminder that you do not need to deposit minerals on the side of the drop pod before leaving as it will count what's in your pockets too
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>join legend QP to finish quests quickly
>mfw host has NASA levels of machine, literally endless army of rats
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for me, it's the fire hag
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>>368402573
Damage wise they are accurate for most except for a few oddballs like flaming flail's heavy attack not proc'ing. Unless you're talking about the decimal point being bumped off for "reasons", but that's easy enough to adjust to.
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to the FK anon with red necklace from last thread. i really recommend you re-roll it for 30% BCR and 20% health full stop.
stats on weapons, charms and trinkets may vary depending on build, neck is ALWAYS BCR, health and barskin in every optimal build. if you got that, you are set.
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>>368402514
https://www.ranalds.gift/heroes/3/103000/21-7-3-3/58-3-6-2/3-1-1/1-3-4/6-3-2

here's a sample build that should work perfectly in legend.
where i didn't select the talent, that's up to you.
for stats, you want 30% block cost, either on weapon or necklace. for other stats just try to focus on getting the right stats and upgrade all your slots to 300Power Orange gear.
practice with the weapon a bit and see whats the fastest way you can make a "shield strike", not a push. Hitting enemies with this shield strike will refill your health quickly if you pick the talent "Back off Ugly" on the lv5 row.

Reminder that you can time a dodge to avoid hook rats, life leeches and assassins.
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>>368403198
A fine choice
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>>368402158
>worse
how does it not regen 1 health on 150hp carrier? or are you just talking about how much time it takes to get to 100%?
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Two questions.
When playing Foot Knight with Spear+Shield an Repeater Gun... Should I take Bulwark, or Enhanced Power as some guides/people say? Or use Mainstay?

And I like Unchained, but im tired of using either the flaming flail or the heavy mace. What other weapon/build should I try that doesnt use said weapons?
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>>368403189
had a similar run but in cw with literally 10 uninterrupted minutes of beastmen swarming from every direction
end score was 1500 kills each
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>>368404007
the more max hp you have the less effective way of healing NB becomes,
to the point of being completely outclassed by even the weakest thp generating talent, like onkill on pinkies, or onstagger on a greatsword, or onhit on an axe.
if you're playing a high-health career you will ALWAYS be on the front line. that's your job. and THP generating talents work much better there as well.
there's absolutely no reason to take NB as a frontline career.
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>>368402514
as far as traits go its either opportunist on weapons that can reach stagger breakpoints like shields, or SS for damage.
some people like parry, the rest is pretty garbage.
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What type of properties should I have that I can use for all classes?
Necklace: stamina - health - barkskin
Charm: power vs monsters - attack speed
Trinket: curse resistance - crit chance
Primary Weapon - attack speed - crit chance - swift slaying
Ranged Weapon - power vs infantry - power vs scaven
Should what I already have be changed into something else?
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>>368404219
flamesword with stagger thp
alternatively dagger with the same shit (bad) or mace with kill thp for memes (very bad)
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>>368403051
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>>368404506
Had a faggot elf who was hitting literally every single ambient with the moonbow.
Motherfucking piece of shit cocksucking faggot cunt, wasn't even stopping when he saw me go clearly for the elites.
A good 80% of my damage taken was FF from that fucking bitch.
I hate elves so goddamn much, you have no idea.
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>>368404219
here's a quick rundown on the LV15 talents:
Mainstay:
+dmg on climbing and knocked down enemies with melee weapons
Bulwark:
same as mainstay but 10% worse
Smiter:
+20% bonus damage against a target your swing connects with first (with melee weapons, obv)
Assassin:
+40% bonus damage on headshots OR critical hits with melee weapons.
Enhanced Power:
7.5% more (ranged and melee) damage, stagger and cleave.
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>>368404219
EP for stagger breakoints. 10%skaven and 30%BCR with opportunist on shield, 10%skaven on charm, you need 10% less skaven if you are using tagteam.

mainstay is garbage. its never good, period. (unless maybe on WP but that needs testing, just a theory of mine)
bulwark is also pretty garbage, since it only increases melee damage. there is a proposed rework that increases the damage it offers and makes it apply to all damage. the fact that FK has the two worst stagger talents is a huge factor in him being a shield guy, since offensive builds are very patchwork on him.

good stagger talents are assasin and smiter.
to clarify: the stagger bonuses listed in mainstay also apply to EP, just with smaller numbers.
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GTFO C1 was so fucking hard my ass still hurts.
I can't believe this fucking game didn't have checkpoints before 1.0, this is insane.
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>>368404775
neither the "Fury smite" nor the Tome explosion benefit from stagger talents.
Mainstay remains garbage, and without smiter, WP does ABSOLUTELY 0 monster dps, and can't even kill chaos warriors in a few hits anymore either.
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>>368404442
forget shit like power vs monsters. it's completely irrelevant.
Use Skaven and Chaos multipliers. Maybe Armored/Infantry.

Block Cost Reduction is a fairly important stat, however you only really need ~30% on legend due to the lack of elite enemies who can easily break your guard.
60% makes you safe against all monster combo-attacks, like the minotaur 1-2-overhead.
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I think I maxed out and peaked on my FK after so many days of grinding, rate:

>Sword and shield
+2.0 Stamina
+30.0% block cost reduction
Opportunist

>Handgun
+9.0% power vs Armored
+5.5% vs Power vs Skaven
Conservative shooter

>Necklace
+2.0 Stamina
+20.0 Health
Barskin

>Charm
+9.0% Power vs Armored
+4.4% Attack speed
Proxy

>Trinket
+4.0 Crit chance
+5.0 Movement Speed
Explosive Ordinance

Talents:
>Back off, Ugly! - Staggering Force - Bulwark - Rock of Reikland - Inspiring Blow - Battering Ram

I'm ready to be credit to team!
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>>368404506
okay elf you showed them, now please go back to your "tent" in the courtyard
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>>368405552
not bad, anon.
if you find yourself in lobbies where people want to pick up "books" like tomes and grims, you should roll Curse Resistance on your trinket.
But that's all i can spot immediately.
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>>368405814
Then I will loot another trinket and get curse resistance, however I already resignated myself to be weak when grims are picked up

On another question, if I got a 300 power orange, red becomes vanity, correct? Since both red and oranges have the same number of traits, which is 1
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>WP came out a month ago
>UI tweaks is still broken
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>>368406883
red has max properties values
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>>368405649
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>>368407274
Oh, thats actually very nice, so if I turn my orange Handgun into a red Handgun I will get max property values right?
I ask this because yesterday saw a VT2 youtuber talking about Breakpoints, made an example in which you need power vs skaven one shot Packmasters, Stormvermings and Bagrats (I think) in Legend/Cata, and one shooting them seems like a high priority
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>>368406956
>WP came out a month ago
>no one plays it anymore
based
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>>368406883
all red does is allow you to reroll it with maximum property values, so always 10% power, 5% as/crit and the other max values.
other than that its fully identical to 300 power oranges.
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>warrior priest holds onto the strength pot for the entire boss fight on enchanters lair
>finishes the map with it even though it was a 7 minute boss fight and im playing the dude who kills bosses
>spoke english perfectly and either didnt read or ignored the 3 times i asked for it
to that saltspyre if you set out to rustle my jimmies, it fucking worked
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>>368404442
fearing monsters too much is the number one trap new people fall into. its nearly completely useless. it applies to bosses and hookrats, one of wich you will face once or twice per mission.
the best generalist charms you can just blindly slap on if you dont want to worry about builds are 10%chaos + attackspeed or 10%chaos/skaven each.
chaos/skaven has the upside of helping with stagger breakpoints and ranged breakpoints a lot while just providing 10% damage vs everything at all times.
curse resistance is for farming books, as soon as you dont want to do bookruns anymore staminarecovery is your next go to.
you also want BCR on your weapon. 5% attackspeed is neat and all, but not breaking your guard while reviving/blocking CW overheads is miles better. 30% BCR is good, 60% is significantly better.

the one that stands out most: ranged weapon
depends 100% on the ranged weapon you are using. you dont have generalist stats that you can just use on all ranged weapons. different weapon, different breakpoints.
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>>368408253
>team is using pots all game for minor shit
>used mine on the chaospat, wich was a total shitshow
>at bödvar cheekspreader
>elf (WS) has speedpot
>am MWP RV with 3in1 pot
>ask for pot
>no reaction
>ask again
>no reaction
>give up
>elf drinks pot
>gets areaslammed by bödvar and lands in a mauler that downs her
>i did 1/3 of bödvars health instead of like 50% or more since i had only F armorpen
>with F down i dont do much damage to the spawning CWs
>the fight took ages instead of being over instantly
i´m always more irritated then mad to be honest.
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>>368408253
maybe its some sort of tunnel vision? I noticed it with my friend who I play v2 with.
>he dies, has a heal pot/supplies but doesn't use them, I have to remind him to do it
>rarely if ever uses bombs or pots even when the situation calls for it
>rarely notices people joining the game
and other weird things
Its almost like he completly disregards UI and just focuses on gameplay alone
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>>368409782
I want to see dumb elf getting shield bashed to oblivion by kruber or bardin
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>>368410005
I didnt know what to think, he seemed nice enough but after fucking SEVEN minutes of trying to get this dude to give me this fucking pot it frazzled my french fries. I asked him why he didnt give it to me after the game but he seemed to just ignore me completely even though i did double the damage of anyone on his retard squad
tldr brits are fucking retards
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>>368410250
>no melee ff
ugh.. what could've been..
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>>368410619
>hold on to your hate, it will give strength
>lol, lmao even
said the saltzpyre
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>>368404719
Why can't Fatshark write like this? Why are they always hiding info? Why does the game only say that "Power" increases damage and cleave but don't say explicitly what it does? Why is Armory and Bestiary not in base game? Why are they hiding how everything actually works.

What is Obesefish problem?
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>>368396363
>DR vs AoE
>Ratclick 1 offered 90% before nerfed to 75% since people were sitting in gas on cata without a care
>Ratclick 2 probably doesn't even apply it to anything other than gas and it's fucking TEN PERCENT ON A SCALE OF 1-10
This shit shouldn't even exist.
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>>368413274
it only applies to the ground fires from Warpfire Throwers/Stormfiends, and the circles in Nurgloth.
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>>368413950
not even the suicide bombing?
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>>368405081
thx for sparing me the time in modded realm with a frustrating outcome.
does EP increase the damage of smite/tome then? seems to me that EP overall has the most use, at least for SFlail/tome.
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>>368414716
Smiter is amazing for Tome & Hammer.
it gives you much needed elite damage that you lack on flail&shield.
EP is okay at best, but you don't need it for any stagger points because you have 25% stagger power to begin with, and smiter also enables you to kill monsters, should you be in a situation that requires you to.
Smiter is the go to against patrols as well.
EP doesn't hit any breakpoints, and it affects the damage of the fury smite, because it increases your damage. But if you do the math its a 1.5% power increase on the smite procs. 3% if you take delayed smite. Generally Smiter is just better, especially for a melee-only career.
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So now that undead expansion is all but confirmed, give ideas for various enemy types
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>>368416313
skeletal rat
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>>368416313
>trash
zombies and skeletons
>chaos warrior tier
graveguard
>berserker
ghouls
>boss
crypt horror
>special
necromancer that summons more skeletons and zombies
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>>368416861
>crypt horror
My bet is that it'll be a Varghulf that uses the same animations as a rat ogre
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>>368417519
varghulfs are much stronger than any of the other bosses
>faster than a rat ogre or spawn
>regens faster than a troll
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>>368405552
>grave guard
>cw tier
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>>368416313
the game is missing a special that spawns a horde so maybe something like that would be nice, even though a horde being spawned is just trading time for more thp. maybe a special that randomly buffs trash with that poison puddle explosion shit would be nice so people stop standing still in a choke for an entire horde
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>>368419432
nice quote dummy
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>>368420697
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>>368419771
while I think this would be cool since hordes are fun, it actually makes the game easier with all the free temp HP. what if it spawned a small patrol(3-4 CW or 4-5 SV) or similar to twitch mode, spawned a small group of a different special(3 hookrats, blightstormers, etc)
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What if qt big titty goth mommy vampire gf was spawned?
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>>368420775
follow the numbers bro, you probably traumatised a newfriend
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>>368418417
In the lore sure, but this is a video game. Though i guess they could use Minotaur animations for a crypt horror.
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>>368404682
Next time just play bounty hunter and obliterate that pointy eared cunt with your ultimate. I guarantee your team will understand even if you didn't get FF at all.
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>>368421876
thats like saying a literal tank is the equivalent to a an apc, theyre not even in the same class, next thing youll be saying we should fight giants and slaughterbrutes
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>>368416861
Hopefully with the undead faction they will be added alongside new maps and will feature a unique vampire guy as a boss. I wanna see necromancers and armored vampire people.
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>>368419432
What the fuck are you even talking about
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>>368423741
I believe that anon is implying that for a possible undead expansion that grave guard should not be chaos warrior tier, but more likely stormvermin tier
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>>368424385
Ok?
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>>368424385
and thats stupid because graveguard have the same stat line as a chaos warrior, and are much more lethal
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I just found a borderline OP bug
>Doing Chaos Wastes
>Pick the boon that gives you +15 HP everytime you pick ammo, given the other 2 were garbage
>Ran out of handgun ammo, find an ammo box
>Gain +15 HP when grabbing ammo from the box
>CandleOverMyHead.scroll
>Fire one bullet
>Pick up ammo
>Heal
>Repeat ad infitum until I'm fully healed
>Completely heal myself at every ammo box we stumble upon

Shame my teammates didnt get that boon, it was so fucking good
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>>368425201
>bug
?
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>>368425323
I assume it was not intended due how cheesy it looks
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>>368426547
I mean it depends entirely on whether or not you find ammo boxes.
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>>368426547
That's an exploit, not a bug.
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>>368425201
>>368426547
The reload speed when you pick up ammo one is way better
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>>368427317
If i was either of those other players I would have taken out my ranged weapon and blasted your stupid dwarf head into a pulp.
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Why can't all them speed sanic circle chasers dodge disablers? You'd think that's the first thing they try to learn but no, specials remain the bane of their existence. I'm not complaning though always happy to see an elf getting shanked 1km ahead of the team.
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>>368427632
Wouldn't have done any damage
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>>368429510
Why? You can see their health bars, they take maybe 10 damage during the whole thing. That's a fair trade for murdering a boss.
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>>368428142
Circles at any cost!
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>>368429790
in the moment i'd have been seeing red from rage. not thinking about the trade off, only that my screen keeps turning red from the dwarf spamming FF damage. same thing happens when I get hit by moonbow a couple of times; all those ticks of FF damage cause blood pressure to rise extremely fast. lot of elves have had to pay the price for their poor aim. this dwarf too would have faced my wrath
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>>368430120
lol good luck outdamaging trollhammer ff as unchained or whc
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>>368430289
A flurry of BoP in your skull should do the trick
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>>368430719
not fast enough :)
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>>368427632
I constantly let my engineer pepper me with his gun if the horde becomes too much an issue
t. Foot Knight
Also Zealots seems to be okay with getting peppered too
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>know your dwarf has THT
>see ammo box
>summon monster
>seethe at the dwarf doing his work instead of just standing far enough from monster and providing security for your team
Guess you wanted that monster damage circle eh? Either way, ngmi
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>>368430879
Crankgun procs barkskin while doing 0.5-1 damage basically buffing you.
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>>368425201
It isnt. I think bardins survivalist ammunition also heals players with that boon, so they totally knew what they were doing. Its not that op, considering you can do much crazier thing like

https://youtu.be/J29sxN2vr30

Keep in mind its all a dice roll on whether you can get those traits, so nah its not that op.
>>368427317
HES GETTING FASTERRRR
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>>368431178
Based dworf
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>>368431275
In terms of sheer DPS, Sienna does more damage than Kerillian, right?
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>>368431556
what kind of question is this? there's so many variables to consider, do you actually think there's a definite answer that character X has higher DPS than character Y? not only that, you replied to a guy talking about CW boons.
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Why does the 1H hammer have more block than the dual hammers? Surely two hammers would be better at blocking than one
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>>368433091
you can block with greater leverage(strength) using two hands on one weapon than one hand on two different weapons
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So in DRG, are mission pass daylies supposed to be only collect data cells after a while? I've had the same mission for the daily for five days straight now. Not that I'm complaining, it rewards a cosmetic token every time, it's just weird that it's been like this.
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>>368427632
Elffags seething when based dawi save the day yet again
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Ale, ammo or potions and bombs folks?
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what's the best setup for bounty hunter? i'm currently using volley crossbow+axe but i don't want to be a burden.
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>>368437331
>ammo
Use for weapons that chew through ammo like the grudge raker
>potions
A good general one, especially in CW
>ale
Also a good general one
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>>368437331
Ammo generally. Especially with MWP. Or on legend where you can go nuts with any of the ranged weapons.
Bombs for bomberman ranger
Ale for melee ranger. The attack speed is also of help to throwing axe ranger because attack speed affects recall speed, also another reason slayer is better with them
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>>368437753
that was my setup for the longest time, nothing wrong with it. works plenty fine on cata. after getting the DLCs I've been enjoying griffonfoot pistols with billhook
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>>368437753
Ditch the axe for something that isn't axe or greatsword. Volley Crossbow is fine, use whichever ranged weapon you like really. Though Repeater pistol is bottom and griffon's foots is currently at the top of meta-hill. Also Double-Shotted talent once you have it.
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>Even when having schizo episodes saltzpyre does not question Markus or Bardin's loyalty
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>>368439332
It's because he hates women.
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>>368439869
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>>368440130
Harsh words, even for you, Saltzpyre. All women are Queens, Grimgi!
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>>368440424
Bardin would literally never say this
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Currently playing with a random who has a Simpsons-tier voice
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>>368437753
https://www.ranalds.gift/heroes/11/232122/39-3-2-6/65-4-5-6/3-2-1/5-3-1/2-7-3
this is my volleybow BH build that i run on cata. if you dont have WoM you can replace the billhook with rapier or falchion. if youre not confident with your aim use decanter instead of concoction to get the most value out of purple pots. as for other builds running rapier and crossbow is a safe bet, griffonfoots are also retarded and let you farm circles super easily.
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>>368441028
What's a good GF build? I normally run rapier/falchion and regular crossbow but want a change
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>>368440865
75 years old and just doing it for the money, as the strain of their age and general melancholy with the task is clearly evident?
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>>368434143
Nah, you just had weird luck.
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>elf gets double shots on spear
>chances of survival plummet
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>>368441316
Dude's voice is just goofy as hell, he sounds like a semi-recurring Simpson's character, both grating and pleasant
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>>368439332
>knows how much shit kruber's been through and how he's still a good loyal fighter
>respects the ancient tradition between humans and dwarfs who are autistically loyal and stoic
meanwhile
>sienna is mentally unstable and prone to fits of mania
>the elf literally cannot be trusted and constantly shits on everyone
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>>368441780
Well fuck.
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>>368441316
>>368442828
Oh also he's playing IB and using hammer and shield. And thinks GK is a 'super defensive' class. I don't want to believe he's real.
>DUDE this witch hunter shot the warpfire I was blocking! literally climbed up right in front of m!
>mfw i was standing behind him shooting the special that had aggro'dd him
Left them to their retardation.
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>POGGERS, I'M STILL STANDING! DO IT PROPER!
Why is fatshit so obsessed with twitch?
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Reading up about Undead in Warhammer and can someone tell me what the actual difference is between
>wight kings
>black knights
>grave guards
They all seem to be ancient human warrior chieftains raised by ambient dark magic/vampires/necromancers. Some are on horses. Is that it? Three flavours of the same thing seems redundant.
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>>368449758
>wight kings
graveguard leaders
>black knights
graveguard on a horse
>graveguard
old tribals from the era before the empire, some of them are chaos warriors
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>>368449758
Grave guard and black knights are your basic wights, and yes they are just the on foot and mounted versions of each other essentially. They have enough spirit or echo of mind left to have own self-motivated actions generally revolving around how to fight, while standard raised skeletons are for the most part fancy puppets.
Wight Kings/Lords are better preserved, in terms of the magical burials rituals used to inter them. This grants them greater strength and greater self-awareness
Wights are generally the ancient dead of old tribes who used knock-off burial rituals cribbed from very old contact with the Tomb Kings while they were still alive. New wights can be made if a necromancer knows what they're doing but its rare.
Because of the magical burial practices, all they need is enough raw magic to seep into their bones to kickstart them, and raw magic has a tendency to pool in areas steeped with death and busted magic rituals. Once the magical seals of their tombs are broken they generally wake up. At which point you have a grumpy skeleton king and his crew who get angry that someone is robbing his tomb. Necromancers/Vampires like to find these tombs, bust them open and magically bind the wights into service. Not all survive the attempt.
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>>368451454
>>368451872
Oh that makes sense then, thanks frens
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>easily beat finale
>wipe on our way to the portal
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>>368416313
>So now that undead expansion is all but confirmed
sauce on this?
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>>368454146
Read the latest lore dump about the vampire that lived near Helmgart. Also
>sienna's sister is a necromancer
>sienna's dialogue about corpses looking at her
>blightreaper intro dialogue where kruber says all they need is undead running around
>lohner's dialogue to saltzpyre about heinrich kemmler, a powerful necromancer, being active again
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>Reposted from /v/
STOP MAKING DOGSHIT FUCKING PIPELINES HOLY SHIT

This was in stage 2 of Elite Deep Dive. It actually triggered my autism. I could not believe. The gunner fuckhead just brings the pipeline over and through the refinery, and then on top of the pipeline I already laid down, over a pit. So if someone on the bottom pipeline where to grind on it, they would be knocked off and fall to their deaths. Holy shit.

The shithead gunner was a fucking cunt who "playfully" tried blocking us from entering the Droppod at the start, and kept doing it. In the final run for the droppod at the end of stage 3, he tried blocking me in some tunnels the driller made. I started fucking burying that cunt under engineer platforms. I think he actually ragequit or tried to lose us the mission through quitting because he was NOT on the summary screen, I don't think he got rewards from the Elite Deep Dive.

If this is my worst experience with the community, well, not that bad.
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>>Reposted from /v/
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>host game
>randoms join, one is sister with javs
>...
>typical ff for trash kills you know the drill
>i pick up grim
>i am low af, one hit and i am down
>see elf has hp potion
>write in chat to give it to me
>no response
>write again
>and again
>i fill the chat begging for my fucking life
>elf gets hp halfed by stomvermin, drinks the potion
>i close the lobby right there

i want to commit atrocities :^)
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>>368408253
I NEVER read the chat. Not like you are going to say anything useful, mostly it's pointless small talk like "hello!" and "that was hard", or just salt.
My attention better spent on the rats.
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how is the lok 1 in higher difficulties, i just tried it in haz 3, it was fun
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>>368418417
The bosses are already insanely buffed relative to their tabletop/fluff counterparts, so the vars would have to be too to actually serve as minibosses.

On the tabletop (and the RPG) a Rat Ogre has basically the same stats as a bloodlusted Grizzly bear and only thrice the durability of a Clanrat.
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Did they add new dialogue recently? I've played VT2 for over 500 hours yet recently heard lines I hadn't before like Kerillian's "Children. I'm trapped in the woods with children."
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>>368458539
If you get FF'd FF back
They will either realize they are hitting you and want it to stop.
Or they will sperg out and try to kill you.
Then you just kick them
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>>368462226
There's tons of dialogue you never hear for some reason, but it's always been there
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>>368462139
and varghulfs are stronger and tougher than a rat ogre, what part of that do you not understand
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what the fuuuuuuuck
did they nerf explosive chemical rounds for the smart rifle?
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so how is a team of grail knight + warrior priest + slayer + unchained?
cancer?
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oh nevermind it just doesn't work well with penetration
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>click rats
>click too hard
>end up in the hospital
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>>368463751
it's based
fuck ranged weapons
fight the disablers hand to hand
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>>368411298
here's a dev answering the question why they hide the data https://youtu.be/BM-kQCz2kEo?t=1718
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>>368407584
LONHER BRING THE STICK THE ELF IS STUBBORN AGAIN
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>>368441210
i take falchion, axe, falchion+axe and billhook could probably work pretty well with griffonfoots. since the GFs shred hordes you only really need to worry about single target damage for chaos warriors. i run 213122 swap out salvaged ammunition with job well done if you dont mind the down time of reloading and want to be less squishy. i dont really know if the GFs have any meaningful breakpoints run power vs skaven and armor on the guns and power vs chaos and infantry on charm thats probably far from optimal.
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>>368408929
just use concoction so any poti can be speed poti
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>>368413950
What, gas is not even included? You jest.
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>Join game in keep
>60 ping
>First horde arrives
>It's far away
>They suddenly stutter
>Next second they are already on top of me
>Check ping
>300+
>Kill horde
>Ping is now ~150
How, shit host computer?
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>>368422249
>host qp lobby
>e*f joins
>pick bh
>start mission
>dome e*f with double shot
>wait a minute
>disband
>repeat
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>>368463751
It's super fun. Every other game I joined when WP came out was all three melee only classes. I hope Sienna's 4th class is melee only too to complete the set.
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Finally the pro DWONS syndrome gamers can teach me how to stagger things with the conflag staff
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>>368467528
>modded
dont care
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>getting nippy out, don't you chink?
Lohner's getting senile in his old age. He still thinks it's the 2400's
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It's been about 5 minutes, and this motherfucker still hasn't summoned his ads. Is it fully glitched? Do I have no choice but to abandon?
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>>368469025
Are you sure they didn't spawn in a nearby room?
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>>368469892
Yeah. I let him hit me because I thought dying might reset something and the second he did damage to me the enemies spawned on me.
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Sometimes elves are alright. Sometimes they lift packmasters and monks hiding inside hordes instead of spearing through your ass for that one pink rat. Sometimes they snipe that one blightstormer no one could reach instead of trueshotting into horde. Sometimes they drag horde away from monster to alleviate pressure and dash back only when needed instead of shitdropping aggro on everyone. Only sometimes though.
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>>368470183
lmao no they dont
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>>368467528
>caring about stagger
bro just left click and the rats die
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>>368470183
my friend is an *lf main who rushes ahead and throws javelins into hordes and audibly smirks into the mic when he gets all the green circles
sometimes I just wanna dome him with a trollhammer or a blessed shot but it's just a game
he's fine on any other class though
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>>368470183
I hate how lifting works. SoTT's are temp hp machines so they can just vent endlessly and lift every little thing within their fov. Every melee becomes a choice of awkwardly hacking upwards on every single elite or dealing with the rest of the enemies on the ground.
Even when a SoTT explodes from overcharge they just suffer like ~50% damage.

It would have been so much better if lifted enemies that were struck by melee slammed into the ground for some bonus damage instead of flailing around without reacting to being cut up.
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>>368464843
Fuck you Fatshark. They are scarred that game will look too complex and scary away casual people. So can't they just make it so game is by default in "casual" version in which all those numbers are hidden and there is options in game options to show all those numbers? I hate this i hate this i hate this
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Sony really dragging their fucking feet releasing Warrior Priest
>inb4 console
Seethe with me, friend, not against me
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>>368471732
he is showing too much skin
sorrry bro
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>>368471456
But anon it builds community discussion!
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In the penis? A low blow, dawri!
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so what are Sienna's running these days? is 2,3,3,3,2,3 unchained still good? is the coruscation staff any good? I haven't played in a while
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>>368472010
You distract them, I'll kick 'em in the penis
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>>368472693
don't get penisy, there is plenty to go around
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I love these gold exploder dudes. Too bad it never happens when I got the gold multiplier beer.
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>>368474053
lure them into tight tunnels and then kill them, the gold they put on walls is a sphere so the more surface material they're surrounded with the more gold they'll put out
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>try to do this challenge for days now
>try to pummel chaos warrior after being hit with fist, nope
>try to kill the chaos warrior after getting pummeled, nope
>try to fist the warrior at the same moment as he pummels me, NOPE
>just mash fist, nope
>fist chaos warrior, he fists back, challenge done pops up
how do you fuck up basic code structure so badly fatshark?
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>>368474815
I noticed that, but honestly unless I'm a driller I don't even bother. It's too much effort, especially in higher hazards when those things genuinely can down me in a couple shots.
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I’m forever mad that they never added orcs.
>goblins as trash tier mobs
>regular Orc boyz as mainline mobs
>Black Orcs as CWs
>Night Goblins or Savage Orcs as berserkers
>Weirdboyz, Night Goblin Shamans, etc as specials
>when a horde comes you get to hear that infamous WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH across the map
All of this potential and all we ever get to fight is Skaven and ONE faction of ONE (one) (1) (いち) Chaos God. Oh, and Beastmen.
What happened? Did GW just go “uhhhhh yeah you can have uh, Skaven and Nurgle, now fuck off we have Age of Shitmar models to sell.” I’ll never understand.
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Darktide news when
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tomorrow
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>>368478087
the average orc is the size of a rat ogre
it would never work
a mixed faction with goblins, grots and orcs then yeah, if we take orcs as cw-tier elites
but orcs only wouldn't work
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rYRGu9ImjE

Was this cancelled?
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>>368478087
allegedly one dev kept bringing up orks but got shot down every time
>you will never witness gork's foot krump horde of gobos by mistake
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>>368478883
orcs, not orks.
orks are wh40k.
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>>368478869
no but obesefish admitted they released the trailer way too early in the internal production pipeline
allegedly they're still working on it
supposedly.
potentially.
theoretically.
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>>368478869
Hopefully yes. I mean, I would prefer Fatshark tried to make Weaves Mode viable, than trying to do a new Mode that Will be unbalanced and buggy.
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>>368478958
>*greenskins
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>>368479131
How balanced was the left for dead 2 game mode?
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>>368478869
Yes, but it's not "officially" deconfirmed yet. The team working on it let slip that they're just working on Darktide now.
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>>368478864
The average orc is only a foot or two taller than a full sized man, and hunches over as well. You’re thinking of Black Orcs, which I said would be CW tier and size. You’re overestimating how big and strong the average orc is, at least going by the fluff. And no, an average orc is not the size of a rat ogre. Trolls are several feet taller and larger than orcs, and trolls are shown to be the same size as rat ogres in Vermintide.
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>>368479131
>Fatshark tried to make Weaves Mode viable
it's already viable, it's just gated behind a massive grind + a 20 dollars dlc
>>368479153
as someone who has played quite a lot of l4d2 versus, the vermintide version of versus could actually work very well if we consider most of the basic complaints of the versus mode of l4d2 are completely nonexistent in vermintide
l4d2 versus meta forces you to setup instakills while trying really hard to never get singled out in any scenario
this is because you have guns in l4d2, and the special system works with line of sight
experienced survivors will spread and camp sightlines to prevent specials to spawn and setup instakills
experienced infected will simply capitalize on the weakest link in the chain and snowball through hordes
the fact that vermintide is mostly a melee game means there is way more potential to abuse single disables or even attempt snowballs outside hordes
also, patrols are a thing and that could be potentially ridiculous
sure you have a fair amount of ranged weapons, but most of the l4d2 versus gamesense comes from pressuring and pushing survivors when they're either reloading, cornered or out of ammo
vermintide versus could be so different it could actually be fun
but as >>368479372 said, it's been a while.
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>>368479383
t. grimgor
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>>368478869
I hope so
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>>368478869
it might see the light of day, they just fucked up releasing the trailer way too early, they will support vt2 for more years it's their GaaS after all
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>>368479834
>they will support vt2 for more years it's their GaaS after all
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>>368478869
that feel when you signed up to the beta with 50 email addresses 2.5 years ago
and NONE of them got in since
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>>368479585
>Wut? You’z lucky me and my boyz ain’t in your silly little game, ‘umie. I shitz spiky chaos boyz fer brekfast.
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Hey now that i think of it, what happened to Mondstill?
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>>368437753
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1833338040&searchtext=saltzpyre

You can take a look around at the bounty hunter section for ideas on whats good but most of the time you should be able to use what you want and do good as long as you are playing cautiously since BH is a fragile class. For me personally I recommend the crossbow for elite and special killing along with the falchion for survival against the horde.
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>>368479931
>hopium
Is it really huffing hopium to ask Fatshark to support Vermintide 2 for a couple more years?
I'd love to see the game being supported even after Darktide is out.
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>>368441028
>falchion
>crossbow
Fucking Brunner
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>>368480331
The patches will stop about a year after Darktide releases, unless they manage to fuck it up to such a fantastic degree that the game tanks and the population pulls an AoE2 on it.
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>>368480331
Mods coming soon!
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Give it to me straight lads. What are the hopes of Darktide being a good game at launch?
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>>368480503
i'd say 50-50
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>>368480503
2.5
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>>368480503
I'd say pretty fucking low. Better question is how long will it take them to make it decent.
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>>368480410
I'm not sure this will be the case, they are literally developing a brand new game right now and still manage to release updates slowly for vt2 with the whatever B team they got. If they want to they will release patches for more years.
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>>368480503
It will be about as good as vt2 was at release. A beta test that will need fixing. You need to hope for a good core with decent design, the rest will fall into place.
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>>368480832
i mean chaos wastes was possibly the biggest content update we have gotten in years since wom
and it was completely free
they definitely began the work on it as soon as they released winds
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>>368480093
Shouldn't orcs consider armor cowardice or at least something that just weighs you down from dashing faster into the fray?
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>>368480331
>>368480410
>>368480832
>>368480972
we are definitely getting a new DLC in the next 2 months
and then sienna's either in april or may
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>>368481250
>we are definitely getting a new DLC
if this is true I don't think it will be anything more than a few weapons and skins to milk more shillings, the sienna dlc will be the big update
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>>368481430
nah, expect a new campaign with a few missions
definitely not the big undead dlc everyone is asking for tho
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>>368481148
Orcs wear leather and metal armor and often use shields. Black Orcs wear full suits of black iron armor. Only savage orcs from the southern jungles don’t use any armor, but they have magical tattoos that protect them from harm. Orcs are stupid but they aren’t retarded. They also don’t really give a shit about “honor,” but they know you can’t get in close to start crumping heads if you get shot down by arrows and bolts on the charge into it.
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daily dose of soul
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrO7RfCV388
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>>368481535
>crumping
DIS KRUMP GIT
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>>368479509
I hope they let you spawn as elites and not just specials, I want to be a chaos warrior and just punch them to death
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>>368481557
>open video
DE WEEEV
>close video
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>>368481148
Also I forgot to mention Black Orcs are the opposite of stupid. Not only do they fight in formation with real tactics, they march in step and show real organization.
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>>368481779
Believe all Elves.
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>>368481906
BLESSED SHOT
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>>368481557
>remake some vt1 maps for vt2
>lose the atmosphere
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DRG noob here. Is the +5 shield or +20 HP better for the tier 2 armor upgrade? My gut says 20 HP is way better than 5 extra shield, is there something I'm missing?
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>>368478869
No, it will be released right after dedicated servers.
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>>368481479
I hope you are our residential leaker-kun and not someone larping as one.
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>>368483446
it doesnt really matter, i prefer hp, but you youre constantly getting hit but never breaking your shields, the extra might mean something idk
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NEVER FORGET WHAT THEY TOOK FROM YOU
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>>368483446
personally, i go for the bigger number
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Versus in VT would be great fun
>Ubersreik 5 (or 4 it doesn't matter) waiting to let a patrol pass
>cast a tornado on the patrol
>Stormvermins flying everywhere
>one lands on the elf
>patrol is triggered and rushing to that spot
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>>368483446
I go for shield because it gives me a bigger buffer before I need to seek out healing
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>>368484705
Hadn't thought of that
We're delaying VS for another three years to make sure this can't happen
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>Duck next time Kruber
>Oh, easy for you to say, Goreksson. You're pre-ducked!
Classic bro banter
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>>368481869
Isn't that supposed to be the Empire's schtick? Orcs were generally stronger than a singular empire man but somewhat savage and unruly with big waaghs and lack of fear. Making them orderly and militaristic plus even bigger than regular Orcs seems like a weird divide between races and their unique traits.
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>>368485663
Black Orcs are the absolute elite of Orc-kind and you’ll only ever see them in the biggest Waagh’s. They’re actually kind of a breeding experiment gone wrong by the Chaos Dwarfs when they tried to create a stronger Orc slave for more labor, but then the Black Orcs broke out and escape. Blame GW if you think they don’t meld well enough.
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Feels be bad man
Where's a slayerbro when you need it
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>>368478869
Officially. Content that's still WIP for V2 is.
>Sienna Career
>Premium Skin Batch 3
>Versus is still "work in progress."
>Balance Patch that'll fix SoT is apparently being held off according to the CM's on Reddit until after all careers are out for balance reasoning.
>BP Might be a general BBB
>If that's the case, Versus might be being held off until Sienna's career out.
>Devs still claim to commit to at least 1 whole year of work on V2.

We've only got 3 things currently we know are being "worked" on along side Darktide. Not much of a clear future for V2 sadly.
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>>368486691
>elf with a cw frame
>is a shitter
every single time.
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>>368487807
You've got some schizophrenic paranoia involving elves bro, the dude obviously bugged out and spawned outside the keep
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Any spreadsheets for enemy healthpools?
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>>368488389
Yeah right here
*drops pants and moons you*
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>>368487438
>BP Might be a general BBB
can you use non-zoomer lingo please
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>>368488584
>Previous Line has Balance Patch at the start.
>BBB is short for Big Balance Batch as the devs call them.
Better?
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>>368488708
yes thank you
regards
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>>368487438
>Devs still claim to commit to at least 1 whole year of work on V2.
When did this happen?
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>>368489493
This post here.
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/552500/view/3115926619061732628

They're at least committing to the game for 2022, over their original 8 year plan. This is purely going off the basis that they haven't confirmed support and commitment for the game going past 2022 yet.
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>>368489665
>original 8 year plan

there is no way to support this game until 2026
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>>368443078
women were never the equal of man so what were you expecting?
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>>368489864
It was more or less the original plan.
https://www.pcgamesn.com/warhammer-vermintide-2/vermintide-2-sequel-interview

Although the quote from this is 5-10 years, although I'm sure I remember hearing exactly 8 years before. But this interview was made before Darktide got announced so.
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>>368489956
realistically we are likely to get Sienna, one more map pack, maybe versus mode, and then it's ogre
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>>368490135
Yeah, that's the sentiment I've had since Darktide. Although in the same interview they claim
>AS LONG AS WE’RE HAPPY WITH VERMINTIDE 2 IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO DO THE SEQUEL
Although I could've sworn I remember them releasing a blogpost as soon as Darktide was announced. Trying to double down on their "commitment" to V2. I'd likely have to dredge that up.
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>>368490393
they can easily milk vt2 for 3 more years
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>>368490538
Probably. I'm just curious what they plan to do after Sienna's out to milk shit for 3 more years. Undead expansion seems obvious, line stuff up towards the proper end times. Although I recall a comment ages ago during the OE preview stream? Fatshark basically said if they do a second round of DLC careers, Bardins would be Runepriest. So maybe that's an option? More career DLC milking for 3 years.
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>>368490135
>patch note 4.20
>removed Elf careers and replaced with Pusfume
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>>368490654
>runepriest
don't you mean a runesmith? runepriest sounds gay
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>>368487438
>Class is busted
>Wait for balance patch/BBB AFTER Sienna career
Right before the game runs out of content we'll have balance between classes again, great.
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>>368486181
>black orcs - elite
>black skaven - elite
Hmmm
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>>368490885
>grey seer
>white fur, considered superior to stormvermin
hmm
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>>368490839
Yeah Runesmith, my mistake. Was looking at WP at the time. But they essentially said during the live-stream that Bardin's career came down between OE and Runesmith. When they going the OE path. Likely cause they already had SoTT in mind for the Elf.

>>368490869
The CM's on the Reddit are very adamant about not being happy with SoTT's current state and regret how she launched. But at the same time, they've said they don't have the time to fix/balance her, given they also needed to work on WP and likely now Sienna's career. So yeah, SoTT's broken cause they needed to move quickly onto working on WP.
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>>368488389
Same spreadsheet as breakpoints.
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>>368491026
They could simply turn a couple of damage/stagger/cleave/CD numbers down to balance her at this point. Everyone who bought her got to play meta sweaty faggots since launch so nerfing too much wouldn't be much of an issue before next balance thing lands.
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>>368491273
Guess we'll see around June/July season when Sienna should be out. I do think whenever the next major game update/expansion launches that isn't a career. Will likely be the next Big Balance Batch for the game. If they don't somehow push a different build to the servers again, which the devs don't play on by mistake
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>>368480503
low because the trailer showed that the cast is woke so who knows what else did they compromise for the sake of getting funds from investors
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>>368493136
Hello /v/ tourist
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>>368493136
What was so woke about the trailer? Having a female priest being a psycho with a hammer? Sisters of Battle usually fight like the most schizophrenic fanatics in the whole Imperium so I don’t see how that’s so out of line.
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>>368493354
>Having a female priest
i am talking about that totally woman guardsman
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>>368487807
>carrying
>shitter
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>>368493324
there is no need for you to speak when you have nothing to say
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>>368490885
btw wouldn't all ratman turn out similar like a stormvermin if food and rank wouldn't limit them?
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>>368494526
there have been female guardsmen since the 3rd edition
go back to /pol/
you worthless secondary
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>>368484535
God i wish they allowed some of our weapons to be names whatever we want like a nametag in tf2 except it would only require silver
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>>368494526
Oh, what was wrong with a female guardsman with close cut hair? There’s like 10 of them in the Gaunt’s Ghosts series, the best Guard novels ever written (sorry 15 hoursfags)
My point is both female guardsmen and psycho female priests are all normal in 40k so I don’t get why people are freaking out. We had two female characters in Vermintide too.
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>>368494969
This is your brain on valvedroneness.
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>>368484705
>versus
yeah it would keep the game or least the community alive for many years to come just in the case of l4d2, it's painful to see fatshark snooze on the best thing for longevity
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>>368495010
the overwhelming majority of miniature-less wh40k fans are either dowbabbies or emperor tts tourists
they know absolutely NOTHING about the setting, the lore and the hundreds of different stories in the setting
so they just parrot what they saw in videogames and the tts meme videos
do not reply nor engage with secondaries
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>>368474053
It sounds like it'd be great with Pots of Gold but then you end up having to pickaxe every piece of gold and its takes like 10 minutes.
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>>368494969
>>368495010
c'mon it's not hard to understand that in this game the female guardsman is only there for the sake of twitter brownie points, it'll be a shallow character 100%
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>>368495319
So do Kerillian and Sienna fall under that same issue?
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>>368495319
>>368494636
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>>368495059
>wanting more customization makes me a valve drone
i know you saw the word tf2 and had a kneejerk reaction, but c'mon
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>>368495441
I hate TF2 and the current TF2 playerbase with the force of a thousand suns.
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>>368495413
those are separate characters while darktide has a male and female guardsman, making a female guardsman is redundant and having it is obviously done for superficial reasons
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>>368462842
That it doesn't matter because being stronger than a Rat Ogre doesn't make them strong than VT's Super Rat Ogres.
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>>368495319
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>>368495698
Bro what
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>>368495225
>but then you end up having to pickaxe every piece of gold and its takes like 10 minutes.
I play solo. I just have bosco bust it all up while check around the area, make paths and clear out other ores and by the time I'm done there's a neat little pile of gold waiting for me so I just call over the mule and empty half a dozen bags.
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:)
I was running GK with bots.
Fuck this game.
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>>368495698
I'll go tell the Lord Castellan that he only needs one soldier then
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>>368495882
>appeal to authority
do you have a fact that disprove it
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>>368496043
>do you have a fact that disprove it
the game isn't out yet and you know nothing about the characters
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>>368489665
Damn Aqshy looks like that? She's kinda cute.
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>>368496043
Everyone here thinks you're retarded. It's on you to try to change that and opening up your big book of totally objective logical fallacies isn't helping.
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>>368441210
https://www.ranalds.gift/heroes/11/233122/38-3-4-6/72-3-1-6/3-2-1/4-3-1/2-7-3
this is what i use. one of the builds that get me true solo cata wins most consistently. might not be super ideal in places but worked very well for me so far.
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>>368496159
the game isn't out so you don't know that i am wrong or right about it yet then
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>>368495319
go away please
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>>368496043
>Calls out appeal to authority fallacy
>Doesn't even know of the concept of burden of proof
Wiki warriors with their fallacy of the month calendar are really just sub-human.
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>>368496243
ah yes forgot that things become right when the majority agrees, but it's okay, i won't be the one disappointed at the end of the day
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>>368496243
>>368496343
>>368496362
Stop. Replying. To. Secondaries.
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>>368496264
what a fascinating mind you have
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>>368496479
Reply to THIS
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>>368496362
i literally explained why i think what i think but okay i guess explaining my though process isn't enough
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>>368487438
>>Balance Patch that'll fix SoT is apparently being held off according to the CM's on Reddit until after all careers are out for balance reasoning.
like removing her retarded "50% damage against low life targets" passive would be that hard lmao like just fucking delete that line swedebros
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>>368496415
Thanks for playing. Better luck next time.
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>>368496551
I wonder if Lily will be the first pandaren to be fit instead of mass of tits and ass like other adult females
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>>368495010
>We had two female characters in Vermintide too.
This has been brought up before. The reason is that in VT2, all characters are basically miniature representations, so everyone is happy.
Darktide has more of an expanded universe representation. As you examplify by naming Gaunts Ghosts.


If Sienna or Kruber were black or Asian, this thread would also talk about it, no doubt about it. This kind of notion that all people complaining about the Darktide characters are either secondaries or alt-right retards is wrong.

It all comes down to miniature representation.
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Darktide looks boring so far, do to the lack of information shown, plus the character designs look uninspired and dull even by 40K standards. Hopefully whenever they actually do show off more than 2 trailers of the game, there might be something worth discussing outside of the Chaos Wastes system they're using for Darktide.

Can't wait for Illusionist, Rampant, Mighty Nurgling
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>>368496043
retard...
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>>368496747
>Cathay Sienna.
You know.. Sometimes you don't know what you want, until you're told it..
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>>368494804
I don't know, maybe if the skaven make some genetic breeding program for blackfurs.
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>>368496915
cathayfags are lore of heaven retards
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>>368496747
Only virgins play miniatures so I don’t care. I’ve been reading the books and playing the games since I was in high school 12 years ago, and there’s plenty of females in there, guardsman and otherwise. If there were any blacks sure I’d complain, but asians are honorary whites anyway. This is such a non-issue.
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>>368497038
It's a sacrifice I'm willing to make, for an asian waifu. We'll keep the cougar aspect as well.
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>>368497048
>>>/pol/
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>>368497048
>outing yourself as secondary
Well, your opinion is discarded then
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>>368496747
nah the problem is really that we already have a guardsman in the cast and making a guardsman except this one being female is red flag, there literal wouldn't be any problem if there was no male guardsman already
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>>368497048
>asians are honorary whites anyway
lol no you're not, chang.
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>>368497048
>and there’s plenty of females in there, guardsman and otherwise
Did you even read the post you replied to? That's 100% besides the point.
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>>368497193
as closed minded as a rightwinger
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>>368497193
Tabletop players account for like 10% of all Warhammer fans manchild
You’re no longer the primary audience, and you haven’t been for years, sorry
Put down your plastic toys and paints and go have sex
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>people complain about muh sex and muh skin
>but not about how boring the cast is
>no xeno
>no man of iron or some archeotech
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>>368496223
she's also competent at VT2, despite being a woman
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1256303809?t=01h02m35s
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>>368495932
Pots of gold does not effect bosco's mining, only the pickaxe of the dwarf who drank it. So no c4/mining the dirt behind it either.
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>>368497048
>reading the books
/tg/ would bully you into oblivion. it actually makes me physically sick that people like you actually dare to utter their "opinions"

especially nu-GW that somehow needs to force in a female character to save the day, into every new book, despite their playerbase being 90% white males.
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>>368497618
Refer to >>368497421 please manchild
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>>368497421
lmfao
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>>368497618
>t.Anon Lord of the Spectrum
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>>368497421
This is the Hindenburg of copium.
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unironically, my first thoughts when i saw the u 5 was that thats a bunch of really ugly motherfuckers. like, i had a "ew" reaction.
now i love every single one of them, even the elf to a degree.

not saying that i have high hopes regarding darktide. its fatshark, this a coinflip.
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>>368496043
Asking for proof isn't appeal to authority you mongoloid fuckwit. If you're gonna be a reddit tier fallacy warrior at least learn what they mean.
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>>368497421
>Tabletop players account for like 10% of all Warhammer fans
Thats a really cool made up number anon.
Also, if you don't TT then you're not a Warhammer fan, then you're a - what's the word? Ah yes: filthy secondary.
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>>368496664
Nobody gives a shit about you explaining your thought process when your thought process is fucking retarded.
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>>368496664
No one cares, Woolie
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>>368498085
sure bud thinking is hard i know
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>>368497581
Well that's unbased and yikespilled
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>>368497048
>>368497421
This is just sad. It's not even worth making fun of.
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>>368497972
>asking for source from a post that explained the thought process
who would that source be oh wait a higher authority in the subject wow anon you showed me
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>>368497472
Unless the game was about Rogue Trader, there's no real need to go that wild.
The ogryn looks a bit lame (the head's too deep into body and some lack of armour), but personally the main problem is that two guardsmen look fucking same (helmet being the only difference).
So many regiments to choose (not mentioning enginseers or comissars) and the two guardsmen end up looking the same.
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>>368497618
bullying and gatekeeping were never wrong anon. people like that moron only prove this right
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>>368497472
anon you can't jump the shark with ridiculous combos like that right out of the gate
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>game released in 2018
>4th anniversary coming soon
>somehow people think fatshark will just abandon the game to chase darktide
lol
lmao
rofl even
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>>368495413
A female magic user doesn't feel like an asspull. And Wood elves/night elves are usually depicted as having the females doing everything while the men are all druids or something
>>368495698
To be fair we needed two or more guardsmen, the IG covers like a dozen easy career choices that could be in the game.
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>>368498535
Double XP for everyone, hooray!
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>>368498396
>comissars
You think they'd actually do that? No way. Commissars are the entire reason for gw's "no good people in the year 40k" bullshit, because they don't wanna have to explain why little Timmy is paining literal Nazi commissars as heroes for humanity.

I mean it would be awesome, but that won't happen anon. I think commissars are pretty much sidelined as far as the new image goes. The zealot is gonna be our Imperium defining character.
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>onslaught
Based and redpilled.
>deathwish
Cringe and bluepilled.
>DWONS
Vomit-inducing sight.
>DWONS C1-3
Extreme levels of retardation detected.
>DWONS C1-3 + twitch + pick bans
Chaos.
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>>368498159
>sure bud thinking is hard i know
From experience no doubt, as you've brilliantly demonstrated by screeching appeal to authority when there was none.
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>>368498396
>The ogryn looks a bit lame (the head's too deep into body and some lack of armour)
Bro just imagine fucking Bullgryn class tho. Like holy shit I’m looking forward to that.
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>>368498535
Because fatshark has been so great with anniversaries...
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>>368498393
Appeal to authority is claiming you're right simply because you have "higher" credentials. It has absolutely nothing to do with asking for proof you retard. It's only appeal to authority if he said "You're wrong, because I'm a developer". Him saying "Do you have proof for your statement" is not appeal to authority, it's burden of proof you fucking hick faggot. It's too late to switch to merely pretending play now, we've already established you're genuinely retarded.
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>>368498535
>Double XP and a Quiet Drink, with no new rewards.
>plz clap.
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>>368401891
I was reading the old Chronicles, and just found out that voice from Drachenfels was actually Be'lakor. Of course, It makes sense for him to take notice, since U5 used bridge of 'Shadows' millions of times.
Also aside from undead allusion, what's this thing about Rotbloods being interested in Citadel of Eternity? Can we expect any new contents related to it? Maybe a horde mode?
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Ok, pick your wishful thinking Darktide cast.

>Admech that constantly talks about how weak the flesh is
>Tallarn soldier(easy diversity points while also pleasing TT fans)
>Imperial Assassin(female)
>Ogryn can stay
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>>368499180
an ork, an eldar, a tau, a necron and an imperial guard
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>>368497472
Why is inquisitor not playable? I thought they were equivalent of Witch Hunters in fantasy
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>>368497472
Yes they do
And they also complain about it not being boring enough
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>>368499180
Sister of Battle psycho
Commissar
Admech
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>>368498705
what are onslaught and deathwish?
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>>368499021
>Either Drachenfels or Bel'akor's personally fucking with the U5.
>Both should be canonically busy during the end times anyway.
>Tzeench is personally fucking with the U5 by giving them career options.
>Rotblood, Beastmemes and Clan Fester keep jobbing.
>Nurgle seems to have no interest in the U5 outside of Rotblood.
Just you wait Anon. It'll be revealed that the voice harassing the gang isn't Bel'ekor, the one putting ideas in Saltz head is actually Malal who's using the U5 in a proxy war to fuck over the Chaos Gods and have some fun.
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>>368495010
I don't know what the fuck gaunts ghosts is nor do I care. This is the first I've ever heard anyone try and say that female IG are normal
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>>368499350
apparently we are his "retinue"
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>>368497272
kill yourself faggot the game should have been four imperial guardsmen
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>>368499021
>Maybe a horde mode?
nobody plays FOW outside premades
so no.
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>>368498771
>what is mocking saying back things?
hmmm
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>>368499291
That's actually based
>>368499350
It would probably look like they're just doing saltzpyre 2.0. And saltz is already a great character so whatever they'd do would be inferior anyway.
>>368499180
>Tallarn
Good example to show why the "it's just racis" sentiment is so stupid. If they'd include tallarns, most fans would cream themselves. Fuck, Araby was like the most requested faction for TWWH as well.
40k has so much diversity, it just needs to be done in the right places. Much like nobody gives a shit about a female elf or a female wizard, the same can be applied when it's done in 40k. And Asian Emperor's zealot just stands out here.
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>>368499487
How long should I wait until I can kill daemons in V3? I just to stick my axe in Bloodthirster's forehead. Maybe they are too overpowered for U5 to handle, but cmon if random Tau soldier can beat a Greater Daemon so can they
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>>368498946
>it's totally not appeal to authority when i decide if the thing said is in agreement with with higher authority's opinion or not
right
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>>368499852
>cleave daemonette
>the mono tit falls off
kek
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>>368499653
>4 guardsman
let that dream go
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>>368499852
Probably a while till they even consider a V3. All signs point to Undead as the next faction in V2 and Chaos Demons seem off the table for now, given they didn't pop up in Chaos Wastes.

Although, given Darktide's advertising seems to have Demons, maybe they'll reuse them down the line for V2, or just make facing actual demons the Darktide gimmick.
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Why didn't FS just take like, the northmen Berserker and slap some red armour on them?

BAM! Easy khorne units!

Make the lifeleech thin and blue and there you go: tzeentch wizard!
Why does FS act as if implementing other gods forced would've been such a major undertaking? It's just bad planning really
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>>368500181
Maybe it's just more Geedubs fuckery and they've only got the license to use Nurgle shit. Maybe Matt Ward "respects" the canon and purposely wrote only Rotbloods being in the area, do to being such jobbers they weren't invited to Archaeon the ever Virgin's frat boy raid party against Gelts Wall.
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>>368500081
weren't we supposed to get chaos demons with chaos wastes?
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>>368500443
Nah. That was speculation from people, that got out of hand. After Chaos Wastes released Fatshark went "We never intended for Chaos Demons to come with Chaos Wastes, but we appreciate fan feedback and maybe we'll include them in the future. Who knows."
milkandcookiesTW was one of the big voices who pushed the speculation narrative and was disappointed when it didn't turn out true.
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>>368498396
>The ogryn looks a bit lame (the head's too deep into body and some lack of armour)
Most of the ogryn classes are pretty lightly armored.
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finding people in cata pubs to do deeds with has gotten hard
>slayer gets filtered by faster harder stronger vanguard first encounter
>sienna is one of those people that say "boring" when they get their shit kicked in
the huntsman was a good sport.

>>368499483
onslaught is more enemies. hordetimers, events, ambients, specials. more of that, very cool.

deathswish is tinkering with stagger values, so enemies dont get staggered as easily.
i personally think its dogshit since the quintessential meta builds are crit/as/SS anyway so it just fucks with the barely meta CC builds that dont deal as much damage (if you ignore BW)
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>>368500579
basssrirettkerhskrgpashhhhhhhhhaaaaaaassssssss
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>>368499180
5 Imperial Guards.
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>>368500712
people want more rats to click
not to click the same rat more times
it's not slann magic you know
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>>368500579
>speculation that got out of hand
We literally travel into the realm of chaos and fight on floating platforms to appease some god. If you think about it, it's pretty weird that we are fighting rats, beastmen, and basic chaos worshippers there
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>>368500862
I want less rats and to click them more times
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>>368501000
the citadel is in the wastes, not in the realm of chaos
no mortal has ever stepped in the realm of chaos outside marius holseher
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>>368499180
Titus. Aramus The Force Commander. Sly Marbo. A Squat in power armour. And a Sister of Battle for our Token Female.

>>368501000
Sadly, Fatshark looks to want to do the Undead route more than Chaos Demons with V2.
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>>368500354
after hearing that GW threw a fit because they wanted to have the Warrior priest be able to use the regular flail so they had to compromise and make it a flail and shield so only Nurgle shit because of licensing and GW autism makes sense
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>>368501065
>People have builds in Vermintide 2
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>>368501319
Yeah, I learn towards Geedubs Autism as well, given Fatshark's doing Nurgle again for Darktide. When there's plenty of other horde races in 40k that could justify their own tide game.
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>>368501210
The chaos wastes are a frozen shithole. Once you get far enough north that you're running around on floating platforms and the sky isn't the same color, you aren't in the chaos wastes anymore.
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>>368500354
>>368501319
>>368501481
>they don't know about nurgle and nurgle-aligned forces being major protagonists for the last 5 years in wh40k and age of shitmar
imagine being a secondary.
just imagine.
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so what happened to the whole you cannot be in KAYOS WAISTS without magical protection
otherwise residue you breath and ingest will make you a mutant like in Slayer books?
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>>368501316
Yeah I didn't mean I expected them to add daemons as a whole faction (a boss would have been cool, though), just that it wasn't some out of left field idea that people had. There was good reason to think we might have gotten some demons. It could have been only bloodletters or something and then only been in certain CW maps and in-game events.
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>>368501573
those are chaos cursed maps you ignorant twat.
the realm of chaos is very far up north.
the citadel itself is in the fucking wastes.
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>>368501609
I know Nurgle's been a big thing for AoS and 40k in the recent years, but that doesn't change the fact GW's notoriously autistic with game licensing. With only some companies being able to use certain aspects of the universe and races in their games.

>>368501748
Matt Ward kinda didn't wanna read the Gotrek and Felix books. He's more of a Vampire Genevieve fan.

>>368501785
Maybe one day, they'll port over some of the Demon mobs from Darktide over to Vermintide. Shouldn't be too hard to justify. Honestly I just want more enemy variety in Skaven and Rotbloods, instead of slapping on more DLC factions that you'll only see once every 10 matches, outside their designated QP Map.
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>>368501804
And yet what we actually see of the citadel is a void of floating bullshit
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>>368501376
>game has talent trees, properties and traits
>wtf why do people build stuff
yeah we all know you solo cata downs with white weapons on engi, suck my dick
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>>368502041
Magic so simple a grey wizard could pull it off
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>>368501609
>last 5 years
sweet summer child. The nurgle wank,which replaced the khorne wank has been going on for much longer than that.
also we're in slaanesh wank times right now. keep up
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>>368502201
Soon, it'll be big Tzeench's turn. Just in time for the Old World expansion lore to focus on Cathay.
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>>368502201
>the wank times
it all makes sense now
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Does VT2 have conversations between more than two characters at all
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>
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why does dark omens make pubbies shit their pants but they can queue for chaos wastes just fine?
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>>368504114
a few
the singing with over the mountains
Kruber getting grilled after he tells about his family having Talabecland cows
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>>368500181
people would actually sperg because if they done that it would "lazy devs why can't they give us actual new units to fight"
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>Kruber's peasant family is killed and their farm destroyed
>drinks to drown the pain
>becomes Grail Knight
>"lol ur a peasant saltzpyre :---D dumb peasant :--DD im better than u"
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>>368504549
they haven't figured out yet that you don't even need to kill minotaur to win
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>>368502201
>sweet summer child
reddit is that way
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Why do all the footknights have to wear the most edgy4u cosmetics and not the objectively best Löwenhelm?
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>>368501609
>secondary.
okay tertiary
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>>368505329
for me it is the scarred close-helm
I am a knight not a peacock
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Valaya's futa cock, a chaos warrior!
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>>368505329
beard or bust
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>>368505284
>he knows the way
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>>368499886
>HoYDoYDoYDoyHoYDoYHoY
Nobody gives a shit about your uzbekistan tier education you fucking moron.
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>>368505329
I use the one with the feathers, don't know what it's called
and the fauschlag
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>>368507735
>grammar nazi
there are shorter ways to communicate your mental retardation
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>>368505329
>edgy4u
2fab4u
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>>368507153
I'M CUMMING FOR YOU ELF WENCH
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>>368506127
more like closeted-helm you fag
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This is a footknight general.
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flense or deathknell on falcxe?
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>>368508252
it is okay to be jealous anon
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>>368508852
flense
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>>368510683
when would you ever take deathknell on whc when you have instakill headshots? not sure I understand the use case of that one
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>>368508852
Deathflense
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>>368511442
instakill crit headshots**
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>>368504114
A lot. Such as the Keep conversations where 3-4 characters talk about the absent character's new DLC class. E.g.

>S: I must say darlings, I'm not sure what to make of Kerillian these days.
>V: I pity her, truth be told. In her search for meaning, she has cast a part of herself away. Perhaps the noblest part.
>M: Noblest part? That sounded like a compliment. A Saltzpyre compliment, anyhow.
>V: You might think that. I forebear to comment.
>B: Compliments and pity? You're going soft, grimgi.

>V: Is there something wrong, Goreksson? You've had a peculiar grimace all day.
>S: Hush, Saltzpyre. He's worried about Kerillian.
>V: Whatever for? She made this choice.
>M: Did she? I'm not so sure of that.
>B: Aren't many stories on godly favour that end well, dawri. Think on that.

>M: Well, Saltzpyre's faith burns stronger than ever.
>K: (sigh) I know. I curse the day we set foot in the Citadel of Eternity.
>S: It could be worse, darlings. He seems more at ease than ever... in his own way.
>B: Aye. Manlings like Grimgi don't unwind, they shatter. I'd rather not pick up the pieces.

>B: Say what you want, but there's no denying that Grimgi's a manling with a purpose these days.
>M: And long may it last, says I. We'll make a human out of him yet.
>S: Steady Markus. You can go too far.
>K: He always had a purpose, Bardin. That was the problem.
>S: True. But these days he's clearer on who the enemy is. Speaking for myself, that's definitely an improvement.

Or some when Lohner butts in, e.g.:

>L: Still no luck in getting through to Barak Varr, Bardin, but we'll keep trying.
>B: I appreciate the effort, Lohner. Just don't let her know that I'm looking for her.
>S: For shame, Bardin. Family's important, now more than ever.
>B: Not my family. All we do is quarrel. But it'll be good to know she's alive.
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>>368499291
Original (Terminator) Necrons, or nu-crons?
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>get the killing blow on a monster
>every single time don't get the kill line because of some faggot calling out a blightstormer or some shit
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>>368511442
I think I have it so I can get 1 shot kills on stormvermins with pistols. Haven't touched my talents in years though
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>>368513748
That's helmgart.
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>>368404331
I like it on my IB bot
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>>368513748
Anon thats Helmgart you can see the church where you go in Righteous Stand
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>playing L4D2 versus
>we're losing by a few hundred points, my entire team quits at the second to last stage
>luckily I get tank at the beginning of the stage and fuck the other team up before they can get many steps in
>my turn as survivors, more fags join my team
>carry team through the entire map giving us a point lead, sharing heals and watching out for everyone
>get unanimously kicked with no hesitation when we're all in the safehouse
The russians that play this game make no fucking sense
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>>368516001
you've been gopnik'd
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>cata lobbies are mostly dead, few active ones are either full or twitch with le quirky voice chat
>join legend, against the grain
>dwarf afkes in the middle of the field gets assassin buddy
>elf runs ahead, gets 'zerkered
>warrior priest says: "really?" leaves
>solo horde, solo roger
>road is filled with shit and disablers on my ass
>by the time I reach dwarf and elf another horde comes
>rez them, dwarf gets grabbed immediately after trying to run ahead
>dwarf goes down, elf rushes ahead dies to patrol
>elf disconnects, new elf joins second later along with bounty hounter
>BH and dwarf grab grims
>same rush shittety repeats, same deaths
>reach event at this point I cannot fucked to revive them and just finish map solo
>"THE BOOKS NOT THE BOOKS OMG"
Vermintide is miserable on same days thanks for reading my blog
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>>368516001
if you don't speak in vodka runes you are the enemy to them, period
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>>368505329
Because Steel Resolve goes really well with the black legend armor.
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>>368518820
honestly the legend armor for most of the careers look awful. embrace default cosmetics
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>>368508658
Fund this
Change the name of this general to /kroobah/
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>>368516541
the only times i see people talk in twitch games is when their friend joins and they just say hi and that's it. you can just start hosting and blocking people you don't like and your games will still fill in cata
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>>368521287
groobahvsclanrat.webm
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>>368516541
>>cata lobbies are mostly dead, few active ones are either full or twitch with le quirky voice chat
probably means i blocked you. lol, lmao.
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what's your loadout in payday1?
I really like brenner, it feels very ammo efficient if you aim down sights and click heads, and it sounds nice
but when paired with bronco, I'm very weak to snipers on maps like undercover - I really hate how inaccurate bronco is, is crosskill even that much accurate? wiki says it's not
reinbeck is my second favorite, love shotguns (not loco though)
grenade launcher as my secondary, of course
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>>368401891
Might be a bad place to ask but are Conan Exiles good to buy in current year?
I heard something about futa mod servers?
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>>368478087
Orcs don't fit the fucking theme you stupid gaynigger, stop saying this retarded shit
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>>368521819
that might not be a bad thing
can't abide niggles
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>>368521819
can confirm
t. also blocked him
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>>368511746
I hate how they talk about Saltz like he's some fucking lunatic when he was the nicest, least murderous witch hunter in existence and is now nothing short of saintly as a warrior priest
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>>368521770
You rang?
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Bad player here. So I'm playing BH with Rapier/Brace Pistols in Cata and armored elites are an absolute slog to fight. Am I supposed to not miss a single head shot with my ulti, if I want to play this weapon set up without relying on someone to murder CWs?
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First reply tells me which weapon I use in my next few Legend matches. Might even throw a Cata game in if it's a good weapon/I feel confident after the Legend games.
If it's a favourite of mine I'll just play Cata.
Any career/character welcome.
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>>368530840
I hate so much getting blindsided as FK
I know the meme says that FK mains never let go of m2 but I swear to god if I stop holding m2 for half a second I eat a melee hit from the hordes that come from all directions
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>>368531247
hit the head with weapon of choice
if rapier is too hard for you then take billhook
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>>368531285
Footknight with S&S and Handgun
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>>368531285
>>368531525
Actually I changed my mind
Pyro with Dagger and Flamestorm staff
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>get perfect combination of boons for my career in the first map of a CW run
>but my teammates are a retarded huntsman and a retarded shade who die to slaverats and keep dropping aggro
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>>368531525
>>368531608
I'll do a bit of both.
Finally the red S&S I have will see use.
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they wouldn't just tease the shit out of an undead expansion without actually releasing one right? right?
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>>368531869
xd
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>try out ale again
>have to go through a drink animation which can get you hit by a lone pink if you aren't careful
>no sound effects or voice lines regarding ale
>in fact they refer to it as a potion
>the inside of the bottle isn't textured so you just see the ground through the bottle
>have to use coms to actually manage everyone's stacks effectively
man I should just stick with grungni's cunning
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>>368531869
Wait and see around March, or April.
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>>368532104
My favorite part is how hard it is to even see the tiny bottles
Have to go searching around with my dick to the ground after battle to see if the dwarf shat out any ale
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>>368532310
if you are not drinking during the horde you are not playing Kruber correctly
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>>368531247
>i´m playing BH with his worst possible weapon of choice
you choose to suffer. BoP is fucking dogshit on BH
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>>368504114
More than any coop game I know
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how do I get into RV with throwing axes
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>>368532104
>>have to go through a drink animation which can get you hit by a lone pink if you aren't careful
So don't drink during the horde/be careful?
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>>368535426
you don't
but if you must then you take last resort and conservative shooter, and abuse the fact that your last axe gets the last resort power bonus and headshot refunds ammo
alternatively you take master of improvisation and spam axes on the ground, picking them back up counts as a reload or something so you can get your ulti back really fast
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>>368535426
It's a very very big meme because it requires a disproportionate amount of effort for regular returns
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>>368535426
also take ale of course
and consider parting gift if you take master of improv
but yeah like the poster above said, it requires lot of effort for almost no benefits
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>>368534150
but it's fun
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>>368531525
After a single match, S&S sure is fucking boring. I felt useless the entire time, but still somehow outkilled the team, albeit only against the chaff.
Quick match Legend is whack. Haven't played regular legend for a while, either been in CW or playing Cata. People going down left right and centre, almost wiping to Skarrik. Mad stuff.
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>>368498217
yeah p. much. it's great for the amount of gold you get, but it's a major asspain otherwise. hope they find a way to make it so that EPC/drilling/c4 affects the gold pickups for dwarves and not just the gold mined by hand.
doesn't make sense to not just apply a multiplier on gold pickup instead of what they're doing now.
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How do I bring myself to like Spear & shield on Kruber and Kerillian? They have rather confusing movesets. Fucks sake they don't even have a shieldbash which is the main draw of shield weapons for me. On Kerillian I use heavy -> light -> light for hordes and on Kruber I use heavy -> light -> block cancel. But I have no idea what to use against elites, could you guys give me some tips?
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>>368535426
Last Resort, throw all axes, recall when you need them, shitty choice
Master of Improvisation, throw and reload constantly to reload your ult fast, so-so choice.
Only advantages is that you're more free to spam ranged while taking Drunken Brawler or Scavenger.
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>>368537702
push attack+heavy attack for both
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>>368535426
Learn to hit things at a distance. Throw axes at everything. Take ale or scavenger since you don't need to worry about ammo.
Works well with Master of Improvisation because every time you throw an axe you put a new axe in your hand which counts as a reload. Take advantage of that to keep throwing axes and fueling frequent skill use for bombs, free roam or just the standard damage boost
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>>368535426
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>>368534150
>BoP
>worst possible weapon of choice
But that's not the Repeater Pistol.
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>>368538390
bros imagine that's the elf....
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>>368537315
Defensive tanks are fucking boring, sword and shield is boring. Use a greathammer or at least spear and shield.
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>>368537702
Push attack > heavy, repeat is good for elites. Kruber's spear has a special move where you stab with your shield up, same as Saltzpyre's rapier sidearm. Elf doesn't have it. You're trading some stagger for utility.
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>>368537946
>>368539619
I see, thanks. I tried using the special stab on Kruber's spear&shield but it felt rather... clunky. Like it had a big delay afterwards and if I accidentally pressed the special attack key again it would do another stab and I could not cancel it.
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>>368535426
its unironically better on slayer since he deals more damage and has more attackspeed. but its also super terrible on slayer.
the only benefit RV has is a higher margin for error, but you need to consistently headshot anyway to get anywhere with throwing axes.
other then that RV has 25%power on last axe, while slayer has 10-30(40)%attackdamage depending on stacks.
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>>368540907
the special attack is a fucking meme. there are very rare and unusual scenarios were it makes sense to use it but even then its on the "meh" side of things.
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>>368538873
repeater can actually get some work done with the "i´m intentionally running out of ammo" build.
bop on BH is just fucking suffering watching it.
i have nearly 4k hours in this game, and since launch BoP BHs pop up in my games and go down to the first somewhat credible threat, while being out of ammo at record speed.
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>>368540907
I'm pretty sure the chained special attack you're talking about has the worst recovery time out of any action in the game. And with action I don't mean just attacks, I mean item interactions, map interactions, getting guard broken, being freed from disablers, literally everything.
You never actually get punished for it since you're blocking and can still dodge but it feels fucking awful.
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>>368542315
I don't like BoP on BH either but can't you 2 shot everything bar chaos warriors with it
also you should never take notes from "people" who run out of ammo on him
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lol. lmao. hehe. rofl. haha. hoho. xD. :). :D. :P.
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>>368542315
>>368544078
I'm not actually having any problems with BoP, it kills specials and some monks fine, but when several CWs and some trash get in my face I can't do shit with Rapier.
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this will feel unbearably nostalgic in a few years
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>>368544078
ALL BHs that ran BoP in my entire playtime ran out of ammo.
3.800 hours, all of that on cata or cata+ since WoM launched. every single one ran out. and not somewhere near the end, at the very least they ran out shorty before the middle of the game.

>>368544683
honestly dont get why people hold rapier on BH to such high regards. low push cost, sidearm to procc SS and all, sure, but proccing SS with the sidearm is mostly just a wasted blessed shot imo. and rapier is dogshit without assasin and i´d rather take EP since it actually affects ranged.
i run fax. the first light is lightning fast and 1shots fanatics, slaveralts and clanrats for quick and safe blessed shot resets.
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>>368540907
It's useful for face tanking shit like berserkers
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>>368544825
thanks moot
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>>368544825
Man I have seen that bug happens so little times, so rare
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What?
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>>368546801
>he bought it
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>>368546801
why is the crest purple? it should be light blue. you got some funky game dawri
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>try to play L4D with survivor mods
>game crashes when someone gets pounced by a hunter on fire
it doesn't matter what mod I try to use, this always happens, how the hell do you fix it
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>>368547035
Ignoring the fact she can noclick throught walls
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>>368547035
he fucked up
he purchased winds of magic
lmfaooo
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>>368548903
>flexing her magical powers on non-magic users
she's based
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>>368549003
lol 16 eu for one mission and cata lmao
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>>368545914
why the fuck are you facetanking zerkers when you're using a shield to stagger them?
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>>368520050
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>>368549438
Thats such an ugly helmet, embrace simplistic knight aesthetics
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>>368549206
What? It's less than 3 USD/EU.
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>>368549892
no
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>>368550224
where? not on steam that's for sure
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>>368550391
>helmet-less bearded FK
If I already didn't have 410billion hours in the console version I'd be playing PC for the better cosmetics
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>>368549206
And the best weapon for Sienna and Saltz.
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>>368549206
>map
>meme difficulty
>enemy faction
>weapons
Seethe eternally my friend

>inb4 COOOOPE UR COOOOOPING
Am I?
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>>368550687
Never too late to switch.
Unless you have to buy a pc, in which case yeah better stick to console because hardware is still way too fucking expensive.
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>>368550549
Just about everywhere.
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>>368551572
>map
too little
>few weapons
there is no such thing as unusable weapon on legend so i miss out on little
>enemy faction
already in base game
>cata
doesn't give better chest so doing a harder difficulty for the same chest you get on legend is just a chore
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>>368552007
nah, i will rather not give my card info to backwater key sites, meh i don't really have a desire to buy winds though but thanks for the pic
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>use tome
>get 250 ranged kills
holy sigmar
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>>368483446
https://youtu.be/MCvnYYRRQWk

Tldw it kinda doesnt matter
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>>368495513
what's wrong with titanfall 2?
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>>368535426
As those lads stated, you want to use conservative shooter and last resort, since its likely that youd run out of ammo so you wanna maximise that. I suggest during an ambush, leave several axes on the ground for yourself, instead of trying to reload. The charge attack does the same damage as regular attacks but flies faster and has penetration, btw.
>>368541642
Does he do more damage? How does the math work? I thought none of slayers perk besides attack speed and EP affect the axes?
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How do I play Outcast Engineer? I usually play Ranger Veteran like 80% of the time I'm playing but I cannot play OE at all. Even in the exact same situations, I feel like RV comes out on top every time and I can actually survive as him vs OE
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>>368562491
OE has no escape ability unlike most classes, so youd have to be careful to never get into a shitty situation. The biggest mistake i see new OE players commit is using it all the time, so much that they forget they have a melee. The game is a d fp melee, dont forget that.

Use the crank gun when youre in a safe (not just relative, but ABSOLUTELY safe) unless you have a team that sticks to you like glue. Crank whenever you have the time to do so.

OE is pretty unbalanced though tbqh. Needs a tree rework and a passive buff.
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>>368562243
Slayer trophy hunter stacks is just a general damage increase, so it includes throwing axes. You can get some good damage while in combat, even hit some cata special 1-shot breakpoints. And will always be at least 10% more damage from the first stack it makes.
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>>368563614
I have to admit i pretty much never play slayer. Does RV not reach those breakpoints when Slayer can?
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RV handgun build worth it? On legend it seems like you only miss out on chaos specials without a headshot but gain more ammo, cleave and reload speed
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>>368544825
>of course i hang around the keep for the music how did you know?
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>>368565004
RV would need to muck about with a last resort build and keep only one throwing axe in his pocket to reliably reach the same cata bodyshot points, not really worth it. And that +10% gives Slayer more flexible property spread on legend so he doesn't have to invest in +beserker to also kill plague monks or beserkers in 1 bodyshot.
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>>368563161
>Use the crank gun when youre in a safe (not just relative, but ABSOLUTELY safe) unless you have a team that sticks to you like glue. Crank whenever you have the time to do so.
This, as a FK main I become the very shadow of an OE and charge the horde down when he's reloading or if it gets to close, then usually they join me in melee.
After that we spam crouch at eachother and/or nodspam.
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>>368566152
Doesnt throwing axe count toward trophy? Also i see that in breakpoint calculator 4.4.1, on legend with EP and no stacks slayer throwing axe body (even head?) shots need 28 percent more power to become 1 shot. I imagine in practice it isnt hard to do, but still requires some preparation. If i take zerk 20 percent than indeed thats 1 stack and 1 hit, but the stacks just seems wasted if i do that. I guess slayers get some benefits that RV doesnt, but this is all just to maximise a very meh weapon. I love the throwing regardless lmao

https://youtu.be/Ng4IqOj3ajI
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>>368563161
Do you think giving crankgun a stamina shield or two would help out? Would stop a silent slaverat backstab every now and then.
For real though, rework the entire class. Fun, but shit.
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>>368552136
>too little
It's a pretty long map famalamaramadamadingdong
>few weapons
>cata
You don't like variety, I see
>enemy faction
Beastmen were literally added with Winds of Magic you sperg
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>>368484705
I really hope they know what they're doing in creating Versus because I don't want it to be like L4D2 in which you wait 30 seconds for an opportunity then die and wait 20 seconds to respawn only to repeat the process of waiting and dying with the slight hope of doing something cool in during the round.
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>>368551908
Unfortunately I would need to buy a PC. I have a PS4 Pro I got dead cheap from a guy, my laptop can run Morrowind and VTMB and that's about it. Plus I kinda like the game better as a hack n slash than more FPS due to my immense retardation. Still want no-helmet FK though, no reason not to port that shit over. Maybe in the next update, inshallah.
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cog hammer or dual hammers for ranger veteran?
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>>368577063
pog hammer
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Fucker.

Will the extraction site fall if you dig everything out from under it? Or does it just stay floating
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>>368577310
just enjoy your extra fun Point Extraction anon
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>>368523221
For me, it was usually the bronco, m308 or ak, and the gl40. Sometimes I'd use the stryk
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Okay lorefaggots riddle me this: could a human potentially abandon one wind of magic for another? Could some magical force intervene and change it for them?
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>>368579656
no, unless theyre a chaos wizard
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>>368580041
I'm not talking about Dhar, I'm asking what it Sienna said one day "actually I don't like fire anymore" and moved over wholesale to another wind, never touching Aqshy ever again. Not that she'd be any good at it, but is that even feasible? Or are you just born being able to use one wind well? I've never really read that anywhere though.
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>>368582145
doesnt matter if its dhar or not, humans can only perceive one wind, unless youre volans its the one theyre most sensitive too
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>>368582562
Wasn't Gelt messing around with another wind other than Chamon by the end times?
>end times
yeah i know, but the games are set there unless they retconned them to be in the TWW timeline
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>>368582954
yeah, necromancy, which is dhar, which anybody can do
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>>368544825
>huh I wonder what this will be, I can't recall any original music for Taal's Horn
>first track is from VT1
>second track is from VT1
>third track is from VT1 etc.
wew
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-THfgNdBVg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZUUf6IFSdc
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Man, drg really starts to get grinding fast. One thing goes wrong everything just piles on and the next thing you know you wasted half an hour of your life on literally nothing and you're just annoyed.
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>>368551572
>>368575081
>Beastmen were literally added with Winds of Magic you sperg
They're in CW for free.
Thanks for buying paypig.
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>>368588806
the premise is that you are a dwarf on the job, it's only natural the game eventually feels like a laborious grind
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>>368588806
Yea DRG becomes actual work real quick.
Which is why I'm such an angry cunt playing it.
The moment things don't go smoothly, I flip out. In VT2 all you have to do is make it through, which makes it a lot more chill.
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>>368524025
Don't know about futa, but there are lewd mods for it, some are not maintained anymore though.
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>>368589861
Not base game :)
I'll go enjoy all that other stuff you're still coping over
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>>368575081
>It's a pretty long map famalamaramadamadingdong
it's a single map dummy, i was talking about the amount of maps
>You don't like variety, I see
more hp on enemies and some specials in hordes is little variety
>Beastmen were literally added with Winds of Magic you sperg
they are in the base game for a while now. do you play the game at all?
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>>368590543
they are in the base campaigns too but less common than the other two factions, mostly because they are half baked as a faction
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>>368579656
When a human studies one colour, they're locked into that or go insane as the human mind is too limited to understand more than one (unless you wanna be a Chaosslave).

Before a human studies it though, meaning only uses raw magic, they technically can. Even though what comes out isn't really proper spellwork.
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>>368589908
The thing is I'm not bothered by mindless grinds. I'm bothered by pointless grinds.
You get what I mean? Like if I have to grind for 5 fucking hours for resources to do something, that's fine. But I'm like 70 hours into the game, I've got two dwarves promoted, and I'm level 12 on the third one, and it's like I"m not getting fun, unlocking weapons and upgrade nodes is fun first time around, it's tollerable second time around, third time around there's seriously no reason to make you go through the entire fucking progression again at the same speed, it's obnoxious and unfun, and pointless because you're not playing the game, you're playing to get to the point where you can play the game and it's like I just want fucking XP can you ride off my dick with all your dumb mechanics, know what I mean? LIke I just want EXP, and then I start a mission with an XP multiplier, and naturally it's the fucking haunted point extraction and I everything is just so fucking annoying to deal with and then the drop pod shows up outside of the fucking map and it's like you try pickaxing through five miles of fucking rockbed with an invincible one-shot fuck off spider trying to climb inside your asshole only to time out and basically invalidate all the time you had to play for the evening and literally I hope the devs get shot in the fucking face by a buckshot made out of discarded rusted cocaine needles.
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>>368590543
Yes we're the ones coping here.
Not the one that bought a shit dlc.
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>>368590543
No matter how much you try to cope with this,, and focus on the scraps, the fact remains that you bought a dlc for a mode that's universally regarded as shit and that nobody plays.

Keep coping buddy.
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>>368590563
>new difficulty
>new weapons
>new faction
>little variety
limbow

Oh you finally got to experience something everyone already had for months beforehand? Do you feel included now?

>>368590831
>no u
Insane in the membrane, how do you cope saying you enjoy not having content?
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>>368591087
This is a shitpost, and it's a very clear and obvious shitpost too. I mean, I hope it is, because imagine thinking like this.
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>anon actually bought winds of magic, despite everyone telling him not to
>goes on a mad copium spree trying to justify himself while being laughed at
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The legendbab outs himself with furious samefagging, same as it ever was
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>>368591298
it's obviously a newfag. let him wear himself out and he'll go away
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Hello yes this is Damage Control Central. What's that? You didn't buy Winds of Magic, are now seething about it for no particular reason and got called a faggot? We advise immediate samefagging to try and make it seem like you're a group of losers and not just one.
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>inb4 COOOOPE UR COOOOOPING
>famalamaramadamadingdong
>Insane in the membrane
>same as it ever was
Anon is literally shaking and obviously not well, can you lay off him? It's been too long but this kind of behaviour has a name in psychology. Either way, it's obvious that he's agitated and irritated.
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>say winds of magic gives you a bunch of stuff
>NOOOOO THEY DON'T COUNT AAAAAA UR A NEWFAAAAAG COOOOPE LOOK IM ACTING COOL THEY'RE THE MAD ONE NOT ME
Holy shit this is bad, next he'll start complaining about cata being a chore or something
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>>368591354
>>368591489
Dude, take your meds.

There's two options here. Either you're a newfag who didn't know that almost nobody ITT bought WoM, and those of us who did recommend against it(unless you REALLY need a new difficulty), or you're just shitposting for some reason.
But you come across like you're gonna have a heart attack over this
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>>368591214
>because imagine thinking like this.
???
are you saying WoM isn't called trash everywhere?
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>>368592041
>>368591734
>>368591354
How embarrassing...
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Beastmen are fun
New weapons are fun
Cata is fun if you like challenge

WoM are fine
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>>368590756
>70 hours in
>only 2 promotions
I genuinely don't know what to tell you other than it sounds like you're doing something wrong. Going from level 1-25 should take maybe 15 hours of actual mission time, perhaps add an hour or two for your first time around on a dwarf as you're getting used to their kit and unlocking shit. I just checked my total playtime and divided it by my number of promotions and it averaged out to about 16 hours per promotion. My friend who just started has maybe 2-3 missions to go before getting his first promotion assignment and he's clocked in a total of 13 hours of playtime.
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>>368592113
>meds
Oh boy

Anon, would you really just go on the internet and lie? Or maybe you just got here yesterday and never saw any of the constant posts from people playing cata in this general? Or the recent shitfits over cata here?
>hurr show me then
You're a newfag and your trap card isn't smart, I would recommend familiarizing yourself with your surroundings before getting laughed at.

>>368592426
Shut up Jay
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>>368592610
>>70 hours in
>>only 2 promotions
>I genuinely don't know what to tell you other than it sounds like you're doing something wrong.
Great you did it faster, congratulations. Why does this even have to be discussed? We're not competing and my point, which is "There's no point in having to do full leveling experience for each characters" isn't diminished by you greentexting the amount of time it took me to play. Talking to you people really gets annoying and exhausting sometimes.
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>>368592865
>Great you did it faster, congratulations
Good job completely missing the point. I'm pointing out that the normal experience should be less than half the grind that you're describing. It sounds like you're getting fed up with how long it's taking because it's taking you twice the amount of time as is intended to unlock all this stuff.
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>>368590756
it is a chore to promote the dwarves. most players will gain a full understanding of the game as you described after at least 2 promotions, and just want to get the point they can "play the game" with rest of the classes. i lost interest in DRG after 120 hours, mostly after getting all 4 dwarves promoted. there is a reason so much is locked behind grind in DRG whereas a game like L4D2 is a classic, fun-to-play game with no progression or unlockables. you play it because it is fun, not because you "need" to unlock or acquire something.
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>>368593060
>Good job completely missing the point.
Pot calling the kettle black. I made my original point, you sidetracked, I don't have an obligation to stay on your point since I'm the one that initiated the conversation. We're not friend, it's is not an exchange. I said what I wanted to say, you miunderstood and latched on to the wrong point, and now I'm obligated to follow your train of thought instead of sticking to my original intent? I'm sorry but you're in the wrong, anon.
>I'm pointing out that the normal experience should be less than half the grind that you're describing.
Yeah but again, that has nothing to do with my point, first and foremost. Secondly, it's not 70 hours of mission time, it's just 70 hours clocked (See image) Which is why it's kind of crucial to stay on point when someone say something and not just tunnel vision on a random number and go off on your own unrelated tangent.
>It sounds like you're getting fed up with how long it's taking because it's taking you twice the amount of time as is intended to unlock all this stuff.
Anon, I don't care what it sounds like to you. My point is the same as my statement. I said it the way I wanted to say it and I was very specific to word it that way. My intent is not for your interpretation. I said It's pointless to make people go through the same unlocking process four times, and my point was that it's pointless to make people go through the same unlocking process four times. If you read that and somehow in your mind it registeded as "I'm fed up because it's taking me twice the amount of time it takes some faggot and his dipshit firends on 4chan to do it" then I would have said it that way.
I don't see why this even needs to be discussed. Why are you sidetracking this shit even further? Why do I have to do the job of a teacher and explain to you how basic communication functions and why are you trying to project your intent on what I said?
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>>368593060 And just to conclude what I said here >>368593636 The guy right under you, >>368593203 had zero problems understanding what I was talking about.
So I don't know why you're struggling with this shit so much.
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cringe
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"You are cringe" said the retard as he was proven to be retarded for the fifth time that day.
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Would a Empire Merc, A waywatcher, a Witch hunter Captain, a batle wizard and a Dwarven ranger be able to defeat a grey seer in canon?
or on the tabletop?
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>>368593203
WHY!?!?!
WHY DID IT TAKE YOU 30 HOURS TO GET ALL 4 DWARVES PROMOTED!?!?!
I JUST LOOKED AT MY HOURS, AND I HAD ANAL SEX WITH MY DAD FOR HALF THAT TIME AND ALL FOUR OF MY DAWRVES WERE PROMOTED
IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU STOPPED PLAYING BECAUSE MY DICK IS BIGGER LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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DRG's content is as shallow is a puddle
they try everything to stretch it
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>>368590756
>>368593203
I'm nearly at the point of promoting my first dwarf and I'm starting to feel this. The gameplay is immensely simple, and not many of the mission types are terribly interesting. I really like on-site refining because it's the most involved and requires some decent effort, but simple mining, egg hunt or point extraction is just dull as fuck and basically the same thing. Elimination isn't fun for me because the combat is really basic and you don't have much of anything in the way of defense. Escort isn't bad but fuck trying to find fuel. Some of the modifiers feel like a chore, like low oxygen or haunted, they just slow everything down. I wish the combat was more arcade-y, like maybe the guns didn't need reloading, everything has a cooldown penalty instead. Just speeds things up a little bit, removes some downtime.

The game oozes soul and comfiness, tons of fun little details everywhere, and there's nothing more relaxing than solo refining, but man the novelty is kinda wearing off on me and it feels bad. Ratclick keeps pulling me back for the gameplay loop alone, pressing a button is really satisfying and there's enough different shit to swing or shoot that it can stay fresh for a good while. I haven't really felt the same for the guns I've unlocked in DRG.
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>>368594091
if you really want to know, I had driller and gunner at second promotion before my scout was even touched. pretty much forced myself to promote him, and have hardly touched the game since. 20 hours per promotion is still bad when I could have been dumping ones in my dad's ass between matches. I kneel.
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everyone sees the truth eventually. there's a reason rats run these threads
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>WoM autist
>directly followed by dorf promotion autist
Is it always like this on Sundays?
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>Darktide
>not Blackstone Fortress

Really missed opportunity here. BSF has the perfect layout for a game such as this. As well as a great set of heroes
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>>368592830
>any of the constant posts from people playing cata in this general
You mean the five of us who actually play it? Two of which are you and me? Gtfo
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>>368594058
Anything is possible in the TT, as it's a dice game.
In fact some of the most hype moments we've ever had, was when a shitty character model rolled amazingly against a character model that should've steamrolled the former, but kept rolling misses or hits swallowed by armour
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>>368594058
yes, ezpz, the only thing weaker is a snotling, because the moment you enter melee he cant cast anymore, and they have no armor, and theyre crap fighters
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>>368595154
Then it would unironically just be vermintide in space since theres also a elf party member and manlet party member
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>>368595831
Two manlets anon. Played as a single person.
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>>368595831
I mean the entire setting of exploring an ever changing ancient alien complex is just perfect for a game like this.
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>>368595831
Sure, if you ignore the robot, the Kroot and the Astroseer and the priest.
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>>368596005
its called spacehulk, if they didnt waste the ip on the french
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>>368596190
Not remotely the same anon. Don't wanna go all nerd on you but a spacehulk and the Blackstone Fortress are extremely different.
Not only based on BSF changing its layout every time you enter.
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>>368596190
I fucking hate Streum On, with every game they release they just show that the good parts of EYE were an accident. The only thing they're consistently good at is the atmosphere, nothing more
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>>368595409
You still mad, dude? Wow
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>>368596160
DLC
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>>368592830
>You're a newfag and your trap card isn't smart, I would recommend familiarizing yourself with your surroundings before getting laughed at.
imagine unironically writing this.
this isn't even worth making fun of anymore. including the autistic outbursts preceding this, no 18+ person should be acting like that. the underage is showing
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>>368591104
you must have reading comprehension problems because when i said little variety i was specifically talking about the difference between cata and legend
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>>368597018
Can we please ignore the guy already instead of feeding him? This thread is already autistic enough without someone making hundred posts about his dlc.
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>>368591214
>haha i was just pretending to be a retard
you sure fooled us smarty pants
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>>368597078
Please stop feeding the troll.
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>>368597307
but it dances when we do that and it's funny
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>>368592041
you must be pretty short to think that amount of content is a bunch
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>>368594381
enchantment
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>>368597018
>>368597078
>>368597264
>>368597218
>>368597307
>>368597351
>>368597513
Now That's What I Call Autism
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>>368598383
AUTISM ON 4CHAN THE WORLD IS ABOUT TO END
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Salt Pits is peak DRG comfy, anons
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Somebody gift this guy WoM on Steam please
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>>368598803
>tight vagina dentata tunnels
home...
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>>368580041
>Try to capture a desperate wizard
>They just go full retard and draw in all the colors they can manage in panic
>Explodes, mutates on the spot or summons a fucking daemon by chance
It's a fucking miracle Victor didn't plug Sienna the moment he laid eyes upon her.
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>>368584820
>That pic
I can't find Wally! I mean Bardin! Where is he?
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>>368598383
>is it me who's autistic?
>no it's everybody else
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>>368599346
there are two plates on the table and the POV is a little bit short. Where could Bardin be anon?
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>>368598821
Are you done?
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>>368599234
yeah, saltz is pretty nice for a witch hunter, they pretty much have free reign to kill people who are suspicious, like the homeless and vagrants
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>>368599891
Saltz is still as zealous as the rest but he believes in the process so it worked out for Sienna's favor
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>>368595831
>>368596160
way better characters than darktide
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Does anyone play Risk of Rain 2? I'm trying to figure out why I sometimes lag in multiplayer. Have this vermintide 2 meme as payment.
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>>368599891
>>368599989
You guys are conveniently forgetting the entire end times bit.
Saltzpyre isn't nice. They're forced to work together for survival.
Witch Hunters taking captives for interrogation or torture is normal.
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>>368599989
>>368600158
no the process is a bullet between the eyes or burning at the stake, the only reason he hasnt killed her is because on paper he is transporting her, off the records she helping him solve the skaven menace because you really cant let a lot of people know about skaven, it causes problems, nor do you know whose been bought out by skaven; same thing with kruber, on paper hes like transferring from ostland from to the reikland and cant remember why saltzpyre has him exactly
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>>368577310
ayy lmao
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>>368600269
>because you really cant let a lot of people know about skaven
Nigga it's the end times. The times where the skaven hid themselves are over.
Also
> it causes problems,
>on paper hes like transferring from ostland from to the reikland and cant remember why saltzpyre has him exactly
Are you 5yo?
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>start up Vermintide
>THE WOOOORLD IS ENDING
>though few believe it
>the chaos gods, the dark brothers TIRE of their great game
Absolute kino every time
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>>368600269
>no the process is a bullet between the eyes or burning at the stake,
Wrong. Witch Hunters are free in their methods.
>off the records she helping him solve the skaven menace because you really cant let a lot of people know about skaven,
Also wrong because Sienna being part of the team is not his choice.
Also, it's literally the End Times. The skaven are swarming the world.

Not to mention that the whole "there's talks of ratmen!" open secret has always been stupid in Warhammer. You have literal demons and all sorts of monsters walking the earth, but people don't believe that giant rats exist? Despite them having recorded battles with armies?
I mean it's obvious what geedubya was going for there, but like many things, they didn't think it through.
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>>368600784
>Kerillian raising her swords
>Not aiming for anything nor even looking at the rat victor plugs
>Lowers them and keeps walking
It's funny how little sense the things in the background make during certain cinematics.
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>>368600927
It's even more stupid, because in the lore, beastmen aren't just goats.
Some look like house cats, but with dragonfly eyes, some have the faces of dogs, etc. there's all sorts of weird mutations going on in beastmen, so the suggestion that some might look like rats is not too far off. Most people who encounter skaven would literally think of them as beastmen.
And beastmen are a common threat off the roads in the old world.
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>>368600927
>The times where the skaven hid themselves are over
no it just happened in tilea and estalia, but thats pretty common, we just got the golden wall. i guessing word has reached the rest of the empire that tilea and estalia are gone from rat, not to mention skaven arent "believable" by the masses in the empire, unlike in tilea, but sewer jacks know about them and keep their mouths shut about it, plus theres also maybe some skaven meme magic at work or just assassins
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>>368600927
The existence of rat-shaped beastmen has never been hidden. It's specifically the idea that there are billions of ratmen in advanced civilizations (with cities and gunpowder and machines) living under our collective feet that is supressed. Because the idea that such a power exists and is only held back from conquering every other faction because of its own infighting is existentially terrifying and something the people would really be better off not knowing.
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>>368601215
It's even MORE stupid, because dumb village fucks would believe literally anything you'd tell them. Tell them there's a tree that eats children, and theyd believe it.

The idea that everyone thinks Skaven are just a children's tale and nobody buys it, when they buy things 100x as crazy, was always extra retarded by GW.
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>>368600927
>Also wrong because Sienna being part of the team is not his choice.
Wrong, Saltzpyre wasn't part of Sienna's investigation, he chose to involve himself.
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>>368601303
>ET books
Anon please, cite something that isn't a giant shitfest of "let's make shit up on the spot".
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>>368600784
How did Saltzpyre miss the elf at that range
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>>368601360
>>368601303
>The existence of rat-shaped beastmen has never been hidden.
It has. It's always been treated as a myth that they even exist. Read the army books or the Skaven centric novels by CL Werner.

In the lore, Skaven have been treated as if they're a myth.
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>>368601303
yes, they abduct young men
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>>368601187
Pretty sure that just her pulling her swords out of her hip scabbards dramatically. Before this happens you can see Saltz pulled out his pistols all flowery and shit too in the backgrounds while Kroobah were stabbing some rats. If you keep watching she immediately goes on to shank a rat in the nape.
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>>368601360
>is existentially terrifying and something the people would really be better off not knowing.
Do you understand how retarded this is, given we're talking the world of Warhammer?
Especially given the widespread fear of anything Chaos?
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>>368601303
>>368601360
Oh look, the secondaries are back again.
We appreciate reading along, but keep the discussion to oldfags will ya? Thank you.
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>>368601617
dont look at me for citations, hes the one that brought et up its up to him to prove it. kruber mentions that we have the golden wall, and i dont know if they mention the bretonnian civil war ending, so we are in the beginning 2523 at least, estalia and tilea gets wiped out in 2522
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>>368601587
Are you stupid? Him choosing to investigate her, and letting her loose because ratmen are swarming the earth are two different things
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>>368544825
For me it's: https://youtu.be/gRyNMw456ak?t=1460
Though I rarely sit around long enough to hear it play in the keep.
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>>368602042
I think the point was, that this
>she helping him solve the skaven menace because you really cant let a lot of people know about skaven, it causes problems, nor do you know whose been bought out by skaven;
is retarded given that cities of the empire are falling to the ratmen at this point.
The entirety of the End Times, as retarded as they were, can be summarised by "the Skaven won".
And I think the other point was that the notion that people don't believe in them, was always retarded in the context of Warhammer.
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>>368602064
That's one interpretation.
Note that when Saltzpyre decided to pick up Sienna despite having nothing to do with her investigation this was after having his eye removed by a grey seer and seeing something that shook him to the core making him obsessed with hunting down skaven specifically.
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>>368601994
Most people ITT or /twg/ have never played the TT or read the army books before. That's why you see so many cut outs from digital armybooks or wikis.

Literally looking it up as the topics come up. Which results in some really disconnected lore pieces. Even worse given gw's fancy for reconning.
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>>368602423
She was still his prisoner though.
Also, a witch hunter doesn't really need much pushing to be zealous about his job. I know Ward is trying hard to make it seem like something happened in that mine, but in the context of Warhammer witch hunters, he's not really standing out.
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>>368602716
>middenlander, gives sigmarites boner since they "converted" one of the ""Ulricians""
>Saltzpyre is annoying faggot to them, keeps spouting about rats walking on two feet to the point where witch hunter general(? or captain) just sent him a crossbow with a pun as joke
>witch hunter general gets a letter from "Kruber" which pretty much just casts even more eyes on him
he is on the radar just for different reasons
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>>368602281
>cities of the empire are falling to the ratmen at this point
no, that hasnt happened yet, ubersriek is a town, and helmgart is a fortress, these arent cities like altdorf or middenhiem, or even hergig, theyre really minor; all the skaven have done so far is destroy tilea and estalia and nothing else in the empire, nor are these two towns as important as the giant crusade into sylvania and a massive chaos host razing kislev
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>>368602716
>Ward
>https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Matthew_Ward
I can't believe this fucker is still allowed to write anything. He got bullied out of his job at GW and he needs to be bullied again.
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Is repeater handgun viable on BH in cata wastes?
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>>368603261
>wastes
Anything is viable.
You should be randoming your weapons all the time.
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>>368603116
>no that hasn't happened yet
>except in these cases where it has!
you're a retard mate.
Übersreik is literally one the most important trade towns in the Empire. Not to mention, the location of many stories, including Gotrek & Felix, and one of the most named places next to Altdorf itself.

Saying it's "just a minor town" is beyond newfag. It's omega newfag.
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>>368603116
>these arent cities like altdorf or middenhiem, or even hergig, theyre really minor;
>ubersreik
>minor
Lmao. Imagine actually saying that one of the empire's most notable trade hubs is just a minor town whichs disappearance nobody will notice. This is your mind on Matt Wards farts.
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>>368603116
>destroy tilea and estalia and nothing else in the empire
neither tilea nor estalia are part of the empire...
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>>368603116
>>368602042
>>368601303
>attempts to be lorefag
>is completely wrong
oof
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Correct me if I'm retarded but isn't Sienna's case pretty light? She hasn't been convicted of anything yet she was just being escorted back to authority when shit hit the fan. Saltz even asks if she'd go back to College or enlist as a Battle Wizard meaning he has faith Sienna'll be proven innocent.
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>>368603393
>>368603549
>(((merchants)))
>important
>caring about money during the apocalypse
because its not, its not like altdorf, the center of where you train your wizards, or nuln, where you train your engineers, or middenheim, where all the chaos hordes want to put out the sacred flame of ulric. you can worry about money after all the invading hordes have been dealt with, you need to live first before you can worry about money
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>>368603834
how retarded are you actually?
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>>368584820
there is always that fucking sperg
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>>368603642
t. wimpy empire official
no wonder the fucking Marienburg seceded with that attitude
>>368603834
many wars were lost or won by economy alone, you are braindead, just because there is apocalypse people won't become serfs overnight or dare I say embrace gommunism :DDDdd
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>>368604030
They're already nostalgic for superior humans like myself :)
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>>368603834
>cities of the empire are falling to the ratmen
>NO THEY DON'T, NOBODY KNOWS ITS HAPPENING YET
>Übersreik is one of them
>NOT A NOTABLE CITY
>actually it is, it's an important trade hub and one of the most known towns in the empire
>NOBODY GIVES A SHIT THE APOCALYPSE IS HERE
So which way is it?
Either nobody knows it's happening because it hasn't happened in the empire yet, or nobody gives a shit about Übersreik because everything is already going to shit.
You're contradicting yourself. And you reek of being a wikifag.
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I don't want Undead, I want to kill Daemons. L4D already has Zombies to kill. Daemons are cooler. Undead and Greenskins should/could be added after all of Chaos is added.
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is there non dolphin porn zip anywhere with all the white dwarf issues/rule books?
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>>368601303
>>368602042
>golden wall
Wtf do you even mean with this? The Auric bastion, that literally ran on faith, in a stroke of writer's genius?
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>>368604138
based v1 chad
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>>368604443
Yes, on /tg/, newfag.
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btw how is übersreik still standing/mostly intact in Fortune of war? when is that mission even supposed to take place?
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>>368604540
why would I submit myself to that cesspit where fun is a dirty word?
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>>368604564
tomorrow
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>>368604581
No books for you then. And don't say the f-word please.
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>>368604408
Technically speaking, beastmen used to be all khorne.
Not anymore because geedubya retconned that into coloured gors for each chaos god.
But beastmen used to be khorne worshippers. Given that we just have standard beastmen, you can see them as khorne inclusion.
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>>368604086
it would matter if it was the standard provincial civil war between elector counts, but if nobody fights because they didnt get paid, which then results in literally everyone dying, thats very irrational and pretty insane, thats like saying youre not going to help stop the zombies beating down your office entrance because you didnt get youre paycheck this week
>>368604450
kruber's words not mine, thats what he calls it, you have a problem with it take it up with fatshark
>>368604564
its an illusion, shadow magic
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>>368604935
no you retard, I'm asking what you refer to when you refer to Kruber saying golden wall. because you use it as a specific
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>the WoM autist
>the DRG promotion autist
>the lore autist
/copeg/ is the gift that keeps on giving
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>>368605158
feeling left out?
what do you want to talk about anon?
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>>368605019
yeah, the auric bastion, thats pretty obvious if you know what words mean, but i guess you are really that stupid if you dont know that
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>>368604564
Übersreiks fate isn't really covered in the (terrible) End Times books. A lot of major places aren't, because the writers were too busy coming up with "cool" what if scenarios and having heroes bash each other in.
Which is why FS chose it as location for VT.
Ignore this retard who's been making shit up for hours now: >>368604935
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>>368605227
yes!
wom is really not worth it even for cata, dwonsc3twitch made it obsolete and nobody cares about the banners/frames
it takes a lot of time to unlock the most basic shit in DRG, his complaints were sound and based, you guys just jumped on him because he's not poopsocking 100% efficiency
don't talk about lore outside /tg/, it lures the secondaries and the wikiwarriors out of their caves
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>>368604935
>its an illusion, shadow magic
then how do they have the luckstone? it's in the trophy room you that's for sure physical
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>>368602042
>2523 at least
>kruber mentions that we have the golden wall
The Auric Bastion was constructed in 2524 newfag.
If you wanna be a secondary wikifag, at least be a proper one.
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>>368605349
>how do they have the luckstone?
pretend this is olesya casting ulgu magic
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>>368605338
>don't talk about lore outside /tg/, it lures the secondaries and the wikiwarriors out of their caves
Should be doing this as well. That ESL wikifag is posting all kinds of nonsense, and it's getting tiresome keeping up.
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>>368560319
this art style makes me nauseous
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>>368605338
I was under the impression you want to avoid those topics
>wom
started doing cata 2 days ago, it's the sunshine and rainbows as people claim it is
lobbies are dead-dead in the morning and somewhat active in the late evening
the whole cata players always stick together is not true, just in two days alone I saw the same "elf bad" meme running ahead and getting into snuggle struggle
>drg shit
I agree, everything about game screams padding for player retention and stretching game time
>tg
guess I'll stick to dolphin porn zip and wikis then
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>>368605623
hey im not saying cata is bad, it's pretty fun! when you find a proper game
but like, most cata players moved to dwons because it's harder and more fun overall
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>>368604175
Dude has been pulling shit out of his ass since his first comment.
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please bros
not even /twg/ has lore autism fights like this
we're all frens here
unless you're an elf main then you should neck yourself you unloved worthless fucking subhuman
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>>368601360
>Because the idea that such a power exists and is only held back from conquering every other faction because of its own infighting is existentially terrifying and something the people would really be better off not knowing.
That's literally the background of Orcs as well anon.
Also, dorfs have known and fought against Skaven for centuries. You're telling me all that happened with humans never noticing or no dorf ever saying anything?
And humans seem to be ok with their dead relatives showing up at their doorstep, or growing tentacles out of their orifices, or any army of monstrosities besieging their cities, but rats are too much for their minds?

Newfags need to accept what WHFBfags accepted decades ago: Skaven writing always sucked. GW can't into consistency.
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>It's another episode of trying to hit come here to summon bots and the game drops the second grim.
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>>368605952
what fight? there's a shitter that's spouting a bunch of bs, and the obligatory people saying he's wrong. once in a while, wikifags need to be put down
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God I hate the End Times so much. It was such a terribly written event, and sacrificed am entire setting only as a lead in to Age of Shitmar.

VT works best when you ignore that its part of that shitshow and just focus on clubbing rats.
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What's the most cancer Helmgart map on Cata? Event wise.
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>>368605230
no you retard. how fucking stupid are you actually?
I know you're talking about the AB. everyone knows that. but what do mean when you say "kruber says we still got the golden wall"?? what's your point for saying that more than once as if it's relevant to the discussion? that the AB hasn't fallen yet?
if so, it would be incredibly irrelevant
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>>368606659
CoC
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>>368606659
in my experience pubs shit the bed most on hellbell as far as preventable mistakes go.
also convo.
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>>368606659
Is convocation fixed? I still don't know if it's actually hard or the fact that most people playing this game are monkeys who prefer running around instead of strategising.
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>>368603116
Plenty of people have already pointed out how utterly stupid it is to regard Ubersreik as minor and so insignificant that nobody would care about its demise.

But I just wanna point out that saying that about Helmgart is equally infantile.
Helmgart is major hub connecting the empire with bretonnia and the dwarfs in the grey mountains. Probably one of THE most important border fortresses of the empire. Also, and correct me if I remember this wrong, thousands of people live there.
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>>368606935
depends on your definition of "fixed"
>ledge where ranged class can safely stay?
Fixed
>progress bar spazzing out, resulting in endless event and endless wave of chaos warriors?
nope, still fucked
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>>368606516
The game would also work much better without ET as topic.
You could just have the band fight missions across the old world, against Skaven, orcs, Chaos, beastmen, vampires, etc. and it would be the ultimate WHFB game.
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>>368606516
>VT works best when you ignore that its part of that shitshow and just focus on clubbing rats.
This is because prophesied End Times itself, as an apocalyptic event that will happen in future of dark fantasy world is cool. The actual thing GW did to get rid off their miniature game sucked story wise. Vermintide just is set in such apocalyptic scenario which has nice atmosphere and excuse for such gameplay
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>>368605623
>dolphin
it's disappointing that you are not a gobo connoisseur
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>>368607383
there is gobo zip?
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>>368605690
is cata and everything harder the CBT of the vermintide community? it's like people chasing the feeling of beating a hard level but at this point is has gone unreasonably far "EZ GAME I NEED SOMETHANG HAAADA I WANT HURT"
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>>368607480
shh
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>>368607319
>This is because prophesied End Times itself, as an apocalyptic event that will happen in future of dark fantasy world is cool.
Ending an entire setting, especially one with decades worth of world building and lore, is never "cool".

Nothing that happened in VT needs an apocalyptic scenario. It could all just be one campaign of the Skaven and Rotbloods into the empire.
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>>368607535
Cata is doable with bots, modded shit - idk and idc.
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>>368607812
sure but this whole modded stuff looks eeriely like a junky going for higher doses to feel the high of the past
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>legend
Baby shit
>cata
Ok challenge
>cata 3 dwons
Hard
>cata twitch
Random between literally legend and instant death
>cata twitch no blessings
Hard
>cata twitch no bles 200%
Oh you wanted to finish a run? Too bad.
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>>368607535
let me explain it in a very simple way:

cataclysm difficulty has been solved already.
it's doable, it's easy, it's good.

people want more rats to click -> onslaught

but clicking hundreds of rats is boring, we want harder and more tanky enemies -> deathwish

how about both? seems like a nice idea! -> dwons (DeathWish ONSlaught)

you know what, this still feels easy because THP is unironically overpowered as fuck and some careers and weapons are utterly broken -> cata 3

this is fun! but we're still clearing maps on a consistent basis, how do we make the game a bit harder without making it an actual CBT? -> twitch mode

finally, perfection.
wait it's not enough? ok we're comp fags, lets be retards and circlejerk each other. -> pick bans, true solo, blacksmith only runs
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>>368607976
yes, its pretty much that.
wouldnt be a problem but a lot of them also become insufferably arrogant. its the reason i dont do modded anymore, i just cant deal with the whole "ezclap" pretention.
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>>368607535
as I said above >>368605338
>regular cata
feels like everything can go to shit much faster compared to legend
patrols are a gamble, especially when director A.I decides to throw in disablers
horde are pretty cool with the stormvermin hiding in the crowd tagging and pushing becomes far more crucial
my only gripe is with boss HP bloat, if your team doesn't have boss killing careers shit takes ages
bots are far too retarded for cata 70% of the time, they will fail miserably at dealing with specials
>dwon
don't really care modded realm is for dicking around anyway
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>>368608279
fuck meant that post above
>>368605623
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>>368608221
what are blessings?
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>>368500354
Matt Ward never respected anything. And especially not canon. He's THE most notorious retconner and rewriter GW ever employed, and rightfully a complete meme in tabletop and WH/40K lore circles.
Even the death threats the guy received were somewhat justified. He wrote the worst things in 40k, the worst parts of the already terrible End Times, and now he's back to haunt us once again.
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>>368608629
ironically ward didnt write any of the et books, but he is just getting his writing in it now
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>>368607708
Both Warhammer Fantasy and 40k are doomed. And must be said to be doomed. No matter what good guys will do, they will fail. They will die. Their worlds will perish. Defiance in face of inevitable is important thing that builds both worlds atmosphere.

The thing is simply that both worlds need to be kept in that minutes to midnight forever in order to have cool worlds to set games and books in them. There is no reason to actually use this future event as an excuse to get rid off the setting and make dumb retcons to characters and make them die in stupid ways.
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could be worse like C.S.Goto coming out of woodwork
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>>368608832
He wrote Khaine, which was basically a middle finger to dark and high elf players across the world.
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>>368609031
I will now read your book
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>>368608967
>Both Warhammer Fantasy and 40k are doomed. And must be said to be doomed. No matter what good guys will do, they will fail. They will die. Their worlds will perish. Defiance in face of inevitable is important thing that builds both worlds atmosphere.
thank you marketing man.

I think most people realised decades ago that this set up by gw for their settings was just for grimdark marketing reasons and incredibly stupid.

and for decades gw didn't inch closer to that pr shit because they realised that nobody will buy anything when "their guys" are supposed to lose. which is why they only went back when they wanted everyone to stop buying Warhammer.

and then they had the gall to come out and say "but we always said it would end this way tee-hee".
there are companies that don't deserve the shit they get, and then there's gw
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>>368608967
Are you the same ESL guy who posted about Skaven before?
You really need to stop drinking a corporations cool aid. Think for yourself for once. I say this as a friend.
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>>368609134
It's not anti-elf porn. It's just one retarded twist after another. The good guys are actually bad, the bad guys good, etc.
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>>368609031
no i dont think so, and thats a campaign book that describes the battles, not the actual novel which was thorpe, i think the novels are a little more damning in this regard because that has to explain things
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>>368609604
Yes the third book, which had the conclusion of the elven wars. All the retarded shit you read about is in there.

Not that Thorpe aka they/them/xir/xer man is anything better.
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>>368609373
Which is why WHRP exists.
Most people interested in the setting have moved over way before ET because it's so much more fleshed out there.
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>>368609373
>incredibly stupid
It's incredibly based and filters capeshit obsessed redditors. Without it both Warhammers lose their appeal too.
>they realised that nobody will buy anything when "their guys" are supposed to lose
What? Why does it matter if your faction survive in some distant event? Rome failed and was destroyed, people still like.
>>368609483
I have no idea what you are talking about.
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>>368609015
Didn't he only write the dawn of war tie ins?
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>>368610013
yes, but it is so laughably bad that people still curse his name and want to hold impromptu therapy sessions to people who got into setting/books through him
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>>368609785
i was referring to ward not writing it, because they got rid of all the authors for their army books half way through 8e life time, which include the et campaign books, so unless you got some other way you can prove it, ward didnt write any et books
>>368609949
im a chaosfag, and even i say end times wasnt suppose to happen, the way the chaos gods is written, theyre suppose to be perpetually delaying the end times because of treachery. people always say thats bad writing, when dont really understand the setting
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>>368608557
Item blessings
And stuff like 100% crits for 20 sec, 30 sec potion effects, full heal, etc...
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>>368609949
>It's incredibly based and filters capeshit obsessed redditors. Without it both Warhammers lose their appeal too.
Wow. I've been in the hobby since 1999 and let me tell you that everyone thinks it's stupid.
Because if you don't do anything with it, it's just marketing (which it is). And nobody ever wants you to do anything with it. Because it's retarded to have a fantasy setting with a timer.
The only people who think it's cool are 16yo edgelords. No offense.

This kind of "everything is doomed" outlook has been made fun of since forever.

>What? Why does it matter if your faction survive in some distant event? Rome failed and was destroyed, people still like.
That doesn't even make any sense. Having interest in a long gone civilisation and investing hundreds, actually thousands of dollars on a hobby only to have "your dudes" be wiped out on a whim, are not even in the same hemisphere.
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>cata old haunts with the host playing on a toaster
>a total of 3 enemies per wave on the finale
You love to see it.
But remember, cataclysm banners are the true mark of a good player.
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>>368610428
filtered
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>>368609949
>It's incredibly based and filters capeshit obsessed redditors. Without it both Warhammers lose their appeal too.
Other way around anon, only capeshit redditors think this is actually cool and based.
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>>368608967
i agree completely
however i dont mind end times and i dislike the indomitus age in wh40k
i guess im just a faggot nigger then
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>>368610560
>i dislike the indomitus age in wh40k
? i can understand if its like the primaris stuff and all the other crazy shit thats going on that doesnt really make any sense
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Remember what they did to you.
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>>368610314
>so unless you got some other way you can prove it, ward didnt write any et books
Do you have the Khaine book? Open it.
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>>368610675
i dont like girlyman and the primaris are mostly ok if it wasnt for their obvious asspull
also the universe didn't really need to get any worse than what we currently had
the cicatrix maledictum is IMMENSELY stupid and i'd rather have the eye of terror bigger
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>>368609949
>It's incredibly based and filters capeshit obsessed redditors. Without it both Warhammers lose their appeal too.
Ironically this is the most reddit post of the thread.
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Jesus Christ what's up with all the secondary retards ITT this morning??

>>368609949
No it's PR shit and literally nobody ever liked it. It's not even edgy, it's just dumb and you're a consumerist moron for eating it up. Do you hear me? Fix yourself.
>>368610314
How can you not know one of Wards most notorious fuck ups?
http://thetowerofstars.com/2014/12/08/the-wheel-turns/

Jesus fuck! /tg/ was right, all secondaries need to be culled.
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>>368611207
based fa/tg/uy blowing the kids away
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>>368610560
I haven't cared for 40k since 2005, so I don't know what's going on other than the primaris asspull, but you're already a faggot nigger for not minding the end times if it helps.
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>>368610771
i think the great rift is fine, because it causes problems for everyone and forces them to start acting in some manner.
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>>368611489
i dont mind the first part
the late stages are fucking retarded tho
>>368611550
literally 0 reasons we had that kind of annoyance already with warp travel
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>>368610314
>end times wasnt suppose to happen
It was supposed to be distant, future event that is lingering over setting.
>>368610428
>it's just marketing
It's part of lore in setting. There is no need to do anything with it. It builds atmosphere of dark fantasy world by being outright stated that it will happen and all hope is lost. Same as Rogue Trader intro.
>Because it's retarded to have a fantasy setting with a timer.
Why?
>The only people who think it's cool are 16yo edgelords. No offense.
Warhammer is meant to be edgy. Fuck off to whatever other fantasy setting, including ASOIAF, if you want something else.
>This kind of "everything is doomed" outlook has been made fun of since forever.
By redditors
>investing hundreds, actually thousands of dollars on a hobby only to have "your dudes" be wiped out on a whim
There is no difference between that. People collect Romans as well. The fact that whatever your dudes fight for is doomed is irrelevant. If you don't like this, you don't like Warhammer
>>368610537
>>368610848
Nonsense. Both capeshitters and redditors love quipping and other quirky, funny and optimistic things in their entertainment. And they want "good guys" to always win.
>>368611207
>literally nobody ever liked it
Plebs didn't like this.
>it's just dumb
Why?
>consumerist moron for eating it up
How so? All corpos want to make safe and bland High Fantasy settings in which good guys always win. Including GW who is flooding everything with their Capeshit tier characters. The only reason they got rid of WHFB was to make room for another bland High Fantasy setting.
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>HURR UR A SECONDARY
>NO UR A SECONDARY
>TERTIARY LMAOOO
>SECONDARIES REEEEEEEE
Shut the fuck up.
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>>368611590
>i dont mind the first part
You mean the first part of the end times?
GW actually did that kind of thing before, as campaigns. One of which ended with the Belakor getting stoned meme, something GW never recovered from.

And some people say that ET is actually revenge on the WHFB community for fucking GW over that previous time.
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>>368592113

I bought WoM for throwing axes. I love them, even if they are shit. Im retarded, i know, but i love myself.
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>>368611608
>There is no need to do anything with it.
Which is exactly why it's just marketing anon. A world in which all hope is lost is no world worth investing in.
It's literally just marketing to appeal to edgy teens, which are GWs main audience.

>Fuck off to whatever other fantasy setting, including ASOIAF, if you want something else.
I'm sure I've played Warhammer since before you were born ESLfag. Do you even own a single miniature?
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>>368611731
yeah the overall first half of the end times with most factions mobilizing is quite cool
it's when shit gets overly retarded with major fuckups and constant "wins" all over the planet that escalate the end times that is stupid shit
things like he morskittar engine, lustria being wiped out, archaon building the portal, grimgor raping half the planet, nagash being usual nagash with mannfred being the massive retard he is and the whole ulthuan meme arc
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>>368611608
This is the post to bind all of /copeg/.
The amount of delusion in that post is almost staggering.
It's like a kid when he learned that Santa ain't real...
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>>368611731
>>368611940
and i will elaborate further on this, if they kept it like shit is hitting the fan but HASN'T HIT IT YET, it would've been passable
but as soon as they started wrapping up all the factions and their general lore is when shit got irredeemably bad
i hope fatshark keeps vermintide on the first half of it (as they've been done so far)
tho i wouldn't mind anything involving settra and the tomb kings, really
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>>368611915
>Which is exactly why it's just marketing anon
It's part of the lore. How is it any different from any other part of the lore?
>A world in which all hope is lost is no world worth investing in.
It's exactly what makes it cool and unique
>It's literally just marketing to appeal to edgy teens, which are GWs main audience.
As opposed to marketing to appeal to noblefag teens?
>Do you even own a single miniature?
Easterlings, Tau, Eldar, Blood Ravens, Death Guard

>>368612031
Not an argument, you are incorrect
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>>368611608
>secondary has a run in with actual fans
>doesn't like it
this is actually hilarious.
>How so? All corpos want to make safe and bland High Fantasy settings in which good guys always win.
also the lack of self awareness by repeatedly praising GWs only in most notorious marketing line across all their products, is pretty sad but still funny
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>>368612191
>actual fans
actual fans aren't nobletards

>praising GWs
???
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I like Age of Sigmar
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>>368612143
>it's exactly what makes it cool and unique
>h-how is it m-m-marketing
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>>368612306
>>368612143
Jfc you are actually stupid. Not even online insult stupid, but actually stupid.
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>>368612426
not an argument
>>368612329
not an argument
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>>368612321
i like the rules and game concepts, it functions pretty well
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>>368612576
I just like the setting as well desu. Not as fun as WHF, but it's like harmless and stuff like Cursed City and the new Gotrek novels I enjoy too.
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>>368612143
>It's part of the lore. How is it any different from any other part of the lore?
Because it's marketing.
>it's exactly what makes it cool and unique
No, it makes it one dimensional. Which is exactly why any WHFB player on the planet always laughed at it. Mankind being besieged is fun, mankind eventually being run over isn't. There's a reason why GW only let this happen when they wanted people to stop buying minis.

It's an edgy and juvenile idea of "cool" that doesn't create any benefit for the setting.

>noblefag
>nobletards
These ain't a thing and you need to stop pretending they are.
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>team wipes
>the elf who didnt know you could dodge leeches with healshare, healaura and a record of 8/8 healingitems consumed types "RNG" on dying to a chaospatrol
fucking golden
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thank fuck the thread is about to 404
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>>368612542
You are literally 16yo right? Just say it, we're friends here :)

>>368612658
The setting is probably it's biggest issue. I appreciate a mythology based setting, or at least want to. But the armies and locations lack identity and character. Most of them are just based around a single motif.
And half of the world building is retarded.

They try to do the opposite of their "doomed to fail" pr shit, by creating a pantheon but don't follow through.
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>>368612924
i´d just ignore the shitflinging about lore and being secondary or whatnot but there is nothing else in the thread
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>>368612143
>Easterlings, Tau, Eldar, Blood Ravens, Death Guard
And all of a sudden, those terrible denialist opinions make a lot of sense. That it comes from an autist making a chapter after video games seems weirdly fitting.
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>>368613029
Yeah I think when I say I enjoy AoS's setting, it's usually the smaller more contained stories in the setting. Not stuff written to shake it up as a whole. It's probably why I could never get much into the Horus Heresy setting either.
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>>368612143
>not a single WHFB army
No wonder you defend the grimdank shit so hard. 40kids strike again!
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>>368612725
>Because it's marketing.
As opposed to what?
>No, it makes it one dimensional
One dimensional is safe and boring noblefaggotry that ends up in good guys always winning
>mankind eventually being run over isn't
It's exactly what is fun and what sets this setting apart from other worlds
>idea of "cool" that doesn't create any benefit for the setting.
It creates it's dark atmosphere
>>368613029
>You are literally 16yo right?
No, 25
>>368613231
>>368613474
plebs
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