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Shoto Edition

>News
- Pyra/Mythra out now!
- Ver 11.1.0 out now.
https://smashboards.com/threads/v11-0-0-patch-notes.512523/
- Melee netplay now features rollback connection, as well as skill-based matchmaking for newer players.

>How to play Ultimate with /vg/
- Create a custom arena with rules set as 3 stock, 7 minutes, no items/spirits.
- Post arena ID in thread, can be found in the "arena settings" button in the top left.
- Password is 7243.
- State your region and player count or any rule changes.
- Try to limit arenas to 4 players to avoid long waiting lines/lag.
- Do not instigate or participate in drama or any other off-topic discussion surrounding players. Keep namedropping to a minimum.

>Setting up Netplay
- Melee/P+
https://pastebin.com/EJDKeu9f
- 64/Smash Remix
https://pastebin.com/cbcg9ALj

>DLC
FIGHTERS PASS VOL. 1 ($25):
- 5 Characters + Rex Mii outfit.
- Includes Joker (Persona 5), Hero (Dragon Quest XI), Banjo & Kazooie (Banjo-Kazooie), Terry (Fatal Fury) and Byleth (Fire Emblem: Three Houses).

FIGHTERS PASS VOL. 2 ($30):
- 6 Characters + Ancient Soldier Gear Mii outfit.
- Includes Min Min (ARMS), Steve (Minecraft), Sephiroth (Final Fantasy), Pyra/Mythra (Xenoblade Chronicles 2) and 2 unannounced characters.

Each Fighters Pass character comes with a stage and several music tracks. Additionally, Piranha Plant can be purchased separately.

>Resources
https://pastebin.com/MPXULRNg

Reminder to report and ignore all off-topic posts, including player tier lists, avatarfags, namefags, anything Discord related, and that one stupid challonge.com tournament. Do your part in improving the general.

A lot of matchup knowledge is character-specific so you should state what character you play if you're asking for advice.

Previous thread: >>338616106
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They're a lot of people's worst character on Random
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YOOOOO NEW POGGERS GENO VIDEO
https://youtu.be/-w8w0Q_3F60
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I don't think I can physically move my hands fast enough to play melee fox. Specifically instant shorthop aerials, or shine turnaround bair
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Hax Money, Who art in Melee

Hallowed be Thy Multishines;

Thy perfect ledgedashes come,

Thy tech skill be done,

on Earth as it is in 20XX.

Give us this day our daily ASDI down floorhugs,

and forgive us our tech flubs,

as we waveshine those who play Ultimate against us;

and lead us not into Jigglypuff,

but deliver us from totalitarianism.

Battlefield.
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>>338975984
>Fire Tournament was supposed to be held after Byleth's
>got pushed back for Sephiroth and Pyra
I think it's very safe to say Cinderace isn't happening.
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>>338975750
Tweek really better put up or shut up rating Sephiroth this high, it'll be so embarassing if he loses two games on Saturday and only goes Diddy/Wolf from then on
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Remember how everyone was so upset about ultimate online they had it trending on twitter to the point of getting nintendo to make a statement? Remember how everyone forgot about it in record time and nothing has changed since?
I guess online must not be so bad that no one is willing to fight for a better experience anymore. It's kind sad really. Now ultimate's online really wont get better because everyone's attention spans are so miniscule that we hop on to the next big drama that's trending. You had one chance and you blew it. Fucking shit, dude.
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>>338976035
Ocassionally switch to claw hand or buy a B0XX.
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>>338978451
There wasn't any chance in the first place, but yeah, Twitterfags don't play games, they're pawns to trends.
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>>338978760
I genuinely don't understand the purpose for that website.
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>>338979228
I don't really either. It just looks like a means for people to get involved into subjects of controversy that are arguably a net negative for them to get into in the first place, just for the sake of forgetting about the triviality of their own life.
Oh and I guess Japanese Porn artists use it as Pixiv 2 nowadays as well.
I've never had a Twitter account though so maybe someone can explain the appeal beyond that.
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>Dude but it was like, so long ago lol, who cares
Leffen never apologized right? Crazy to think HBox mom's said it was his fault and the Swede twink still acts like he was the one to stop HBox hate. Did he block HBox's mom btw?
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He's in
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>>338978451
It's a useless crusade since Nintendo does not care because their pussy whipped fanbase will buy anything regardless of it's quality. All the people complaining about the online will still show up for the next fighter's pass and that's all that matters to Nintendo
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>>338978451
>to the point of getting nintendo to make a statement?
they never did though?
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>>338983179
gongaga?
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She's in
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>>338984284
>Swords
Pelleas when
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>>338983840
Nintendo didn't but sakurai did in one of his columns
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>>338987758
if we're getting any FE characters I'd want Arvis (who'd be marketing an FE4 remake that will never happen), Lilina (who'd be marketing an FE6 remake), or Hector (who'd be marketing an FE7 remake).
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Has any other top player other than M2K and iBDW commented on the Hax/Leffen situation? Feels like a lot of them have been suspiciously quiet despite it being the talk of the town in the community.
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>>338989517
And risk being banned? Nah. Tho isn't that somewhat talking about in his video, that if you don't comply, you risk being silenced or something like that?
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>>338989920
I don't want to assume, but it's hard not to try and read into their silence. Definitely feels like most seemingly agree with Hax or else they would join the collective dogpile against him on social media.
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>>338989517
not a top player but slime watched the first 1/3 so far and agreed with some points, not like he didn't meme about it though.
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>hax is unhinged for making a Hitler compariso-
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>>338990598
I think it’s more likely they feel the truth is somewhere in the middle. They probably believe that Leffen is a manipulative psycho and that Hax has let his vendetta go too far. Commenting on this only adds fuel to the fire and makes the scene as a whole look that much worse. I don’t think Hax will leave things as they stand though.
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Pretty cool that Hax and Leffen are 2-2 lifetime and have traded sets at the only 2 tournaments they’ve played at (MLG Anaheim 2014 and G7 in 2020)
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>>338989517
N0ne tried to avoid the drama completely, he doesn't like that kind of stuff and seems like he doesn't want to even consider taking a side.
I haven't heard anything from other top players, but I can almost guarantee that Mang0 sides with Leffen, and Hbox with Hax, given their past history.
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>>338989517
>>338990943
just goes to show most people will forsake all moral values for a small chance at being closer to the most popular guy in school
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>>338991184
I guess they will stay tied forever now,
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i legitimately dont get how anyone sides with leffen aside from him having more followers
leffen trying to sabotage the boxx and shit has been obvious forever and i personally remember how fucking annoying he was on smashboards. he has never stopped jabbing at hax.
now all these figureheads are trying to highroad and gaslight hax calling him obsessed after he was the one who was targeted. its fucking sickening.
the people that do it are also exactly who id expect. mr r, toph, ibdw, practicaltas. bunch of fucking blind cowards
im glad i never heavily associated with the offline scene

and somehow m2k, the literal autist, has shown more moral decency and maturity than anyone else. wild
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>>338992280
>melee drama
>leffen is involved
I sleep. Stop giving that dumb nigger attention
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>>338992280
Only reason to side with Leffen is Hax’s terrible ass video he made with points that made him sound mentally deranged. Leffen also shared screenshots of Hax actually dming Leffen himself saying that he had insomnia due to how much he hated him and asking him for help. I think Leffen is an insufferable narcissist, but Hax has mental health problems.
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>>338992629
most normies will just view hax as a schizo and there is nothing that can be done to make them think otherwise even though he has tons of proof
same way people just refuse to see that 9-11 was an inside job
nothing can be done to redpill normies
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>get banana thrown at me while i’m shielding
>it fucking shield pokes me and i trip
>get fsmashed and die
>turn game off
This is is why I seldom play Ultimate.
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>>338992629
haxs mental problems are insomnia and depression, hes not some kind of obsessed stalker. compare how many people have ever actually had problems with hax vs how much pure vitriol leffen goes out of his way to inspire
dont care if hitler quotes make you uncomfortable, youre retarded if you let that detract from all the testimonies and evidence from people who actually know
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>>338993078
>unfortunate bullshit that shouldn’t work happens
>turn off game
This is why ultimate is best played for about 30 minutes only. To much bullshit
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im just saying, ive known 2 kids in my school life who act like leffen. i beat one of them up because it ended up becoming clear that talking to him wasnt going to end his bullshit. after that he never fucked around nearly as much.
swedes are just too pussy to do that i guess because apparently the worst leffen got was a slap to the back of his head
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>>338994420
What about the other kid?
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>argue with some fat american on twitter over the validity of the points made in Hax's video
>several tweets in he says he hasn't and won't watch it
These are the people defending Leffen. Hax is right.
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My personal DLC tier-list. Subject to change, so don't get too mad.
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>>338988480
i'm pretty sure they just talked about how the virus forced everything to go online, not that different than what every other fighting game did last year, i don't think they ever directly addressed the twitter trend stuff
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>>338995667
People that use twitter aren't there to form their own opinions, silly.
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>>338995548
he got into multiple situations with other kids but between me and him i said id beat him up too because he wouldnt stop tossing shit at me on the bus, then he said hed bring a knife and my mom complained to the schoolboard. he got suspended and his parents pulled him out of the school.
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>>338996161
Why are Americans like that? Also kek @muh holocaust
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>>338995729
I don't hate seph, but he has to be the most barebones out of all of them so far. He doesn't really have anything unique or offensive to make him stand out. He's really boring to play as a result. I honestly would put swap him and plant.
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>>338995729
Min min has made me almost destroy my switch. She is easily the most unfun character I have ever played and played against. I’d like her more but min min players one and done you. Banjo just fucking sucks and he didn’t deserve that
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>>338996659
>rabidhiphoes
pottery
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>>338984284
a reminder that there yet to be tournament about swordfighters.
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>>338996659
>because I saw the length my dude
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>>338995729
>>338996796
To clarify, this is basing their viability, not personal enjoyment.
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>>338996961
If it was Ninjara, matches would a hell lot worse than it was now.
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>>338996659
lmfao, ask him how he thought the length of leffen's video named 10 reasons to hate hbox was
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>>339000151
>Helix
oh what could've been
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>>339000151
Eh, could be worse. Twintelle's slow-time ability might be the worst designed mechanic I've ever seen, and Dr. Coyle's the most broken character I've ever witnessed, only suffering half hit-stun compared to the rest of the cast and all.
But Ninjara would've been more annoying than Min Min, that's for sure.
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>>339000151
thank Yabuki for cockblocking Sakurai, and the rest of Japan's, shit taste.
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Would anyone like to play Melee? END#316
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>>338997347
you just know
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So who's next for leffen's death note?
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>>338984284
I would literally drive down to the nearest orphanage and pelt the small children with amiibos if we got another Fire Emblem character in Ultimate.
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>>339001663
wizzrobe
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>>339001972
>another Triforce trio character
>another FE Lord
>Girl Diddy
>Hat Goomba
all of these are still better than getting a 3rd fire starter.
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>>339002427
what if it's Slippy?
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>>339002427
>Caters to a wider audience
>Has a chance of being rushdown or fun instead of another midrange disjoint spammer
Not really desu
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>>339000151
>>339001009
That game sounds worse than smash’s bullshit
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I want to play as my waifu, but her air speed is so fucking SLOW. Getting juggled is the worst because i know im going to have to retreat to the ledge. Also keep whiffing my aerials and fucking up float nair, but that's my own fault.
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>>339002954
come out of the closet
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>>339002731
>11th Pokemon fighter
>another boring rushdown
>that still ends up shit tier like Solozard and Incineroar
>not even the most popular choice from Gen 8
yes it would
and if i had to cater to a wide audience, i'd simply add Melmetal from Pokemon GO or KANTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO instead of another starter.
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>>339003080
No, it's nice and comfy in my safe space. You're free to join me if you want
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Probably already known here but Hax$ has been banned from Summit. Pic related is the official statement

https://twitter.com/btssmash/status/1402767685637722113?s=21
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>>339003298
I mean the choice is garbage i'm not denying that, every Pokémon in Smash is boring as shit practically, just that i'd rather take a rushdown character than anything else.
I'd also believe they wouldn't fall in shit tier like the 2 you mentioned because Cinderace is fast & looks like a stick, there's no reason that justifies it being slow. Again, doesn't make it an eyesore & awful concept, but hey, after Min-Min, if a simple rushdown character can get in, i'll be fine.
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>>339002690
a 4th spacie or another Uprising OC would be better too. IDGAF
except for Krystal, that's one much worse than Cinderace.
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>>339003726
all the moveset ideas i seen for Cinderace are terrible and barely encourage plain and simple rushdown gameplay but more towards to comeback shit Lucario plagued Smash with.

there was one that based its playstyle by recoiling so much
there was another one that literally give it a Wario Waft and Rebellion Gauge but even worse.
then there's one that's basically humongous typefag cope
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>>339004625
I'm no Smash maker so i don't know how they'd ruin it. At this point though given that every dlc minus maybe Banjo seems to need a gimmick you might have a point
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>"Fire-Fueled Fracas (Flaming Fracas in PAL regions) is an Event Tourney with a theme of special moves that utilize fire."
>can't use Olimar
>can use Squirtle
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA FUCKING HACKURAI
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HAX
WAS
SUPPOSED
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WIN
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>>338996796
>He doesn't really have anything unique or offensive to make him stand out
>OWA
>Omegaflare
>Shadowflare
>some of the best edgeguarding tools in the game
>can kill people as early as 30 and has a shield break to enable him to do so
>stabs stage with fair for ledgestall mixups
>stupidly tall and light, hyper glass-canon
it's fine if you find his kit boring, but saying there's nothing unique about him is patently false
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'Somebody down for a match? My code: LIKE#485
picrel is my main
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>get put into free for all
>people do faggy shit like spam pk fire and team up on me
>lose because if it
>turn console off
>turn it back on
>block all three of those fags
Suck my dick, now none of you get GSP for playing like scrubs.
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>>339005729
>OWA
Just another comeback mode
>Omegaflare
Meme move take 10 hours to use charge special
>Shadowflare
They're just sticky bombs
>some of the best edgeguarding tools in the game
Not even
>can kill people as early as 30 and has a shield break to enable him to do so
Most characters can
>stabs stage with fair for ledgestall mixups
Cute but nothing special. Other characters can wall cling as well.
>stupidly tall and light, hyper glass-canon
That just makes him worse.

Everything he does is just "eh"
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>>339003560
Sad...the normies are just too numerous
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Finally got around to watching Hax's video all the way through, a bit hyperbolic at times but the point seems pretty clear: Leffen was banned at a time for good reason and (imo what should be the more explicit focal point of the video) that reason hasn't changed.
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>>339006452
I think they won in the end lol
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>>339003560
HE'S INSANE LOCK HIM UP
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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>>339002427
Good news
She's actually in.
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>>339006623
>Just another comeback mode
this is just reductive.
>Meme move take 10 hours to use charge special
you set it up during ledgetrapping, or you cancel it to bait out reactions
>They're just sticky bombs
most egregiously reductive thing in the post. There's a whole timing mechanic you can learn to push the advantage crazy hard. It extends combos, it kill confirms, it shits out damage, it kills. There's only one other character that comes anywhere close to what it does and thats snake with his c4, and that's more of a meme than anything
>Not even
not an argument
>Most characters can
bullshit. name 10 that can do it reliably, and not some meme shit
>Cute but nothing special. Other characters can wall cling as well.
he gets to face towards the ledge as opposed to a wallcling, and the verticality he gets after dismounting is a full on jump as opposed to the pitiful hop you do after a wallcling
>That just makes him worse
we weren't talking about good or bad, we were talking about unique

you're just being incredibly reductive for no reason anon
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>>339002427
No one would pay for these characters anyway. These are the types of characters you bundle with the base game. Like isabelle, dark pit and any shillmon that isn't pikachu and mewtwo
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>>339002427
ENTER
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>>339011132
You underestimate the power of a fanbase of millions that rivals even Smash in the " I only play this game & maybe other closely related games " department
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>>339011261
its a d/p rep. namely garchomp
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>>339011679
we already have Lucario tho
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>>339010990
He's just a reductive character. All his moves do what they're suppose to and nothing special to them. He's just another sword fighter. Counter and all.
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>>339011906
and we already have an FF7 rep
c'mon guys they were obviously going to go with doubledipping Noctis, Sora, or 2B, not add Sephiroth. [sarcasm]
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>>339012610
>He's just a reductive character
>All his moves do what they're suppose to and nothing special to them
what does this even mean? You're not even arguing at this point you're just saying things that make no sense
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>Pikachu is top tie-
https://smashboards.com/threads/competitive-character-impressions-2-0.464762/post-24429798
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>>339013443
You're just refusing to understand. I was pretty clear when i said he's boring and generic.
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>>339013748
>uses online data for reference
Cringe
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>account permanently suspended for a calling a Leffentard fat
Just how deep do Leffen's connections reach?
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https://twitter.com/ssbmhax/status/1403083014561800201?s=19
New vid soon
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guess my main
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>>339017458
the twitter deathnote
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>>339018903
Plant
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>>339018903
no. every time you guess fags show up, you never tell us who it is despite saying the whole roster
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>>339019227
no
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>>339010285
God please, the upset from unironic swooshies on twitter would be hilarious.
>NOOOOO BUT IT'S POKEMON'S 25TH (*ignores all the other big anniversaries happening this year*)
>TPC HAS BEEN PUTTING IT IN NEARLY EVERYTHING, IT'S FEATURED IN UNITE, IT'S MUST COME TO SMASH! (*ignores the fact that was a death sentence to Blaziken, Sceptile, and Decidueye when they competing-ly appeared in Pokken*)
>IT'S FUCKING POKEMON, IT'S EVITABLE (*ignores there's been 3 DLC waves that didn't add a brand new Pokemon rep, but fucking Fire Emblem so far*)
>SHE'S JUST A DIDDY CLONE SHE'S GONNA BE DISSAPOINTING HAHA (*cries in bitter tears as it got cucked by another western rep again*)
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>>339017458
just make another twitter lol
they didn't sus'd your phone number right?
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What character getting into Smash would literally break /v/? Reimu?
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>PacMan is considered high tier
Can someone gimme a rundown on this? He's been my secondary since Sm4sh, but I never felt like he was amazing besides great movement control.
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>>339020492
ao oni. it'll be weeks straight of people just spaming "its raping time".
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>>339020582
a zoner that can box
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>>339020582
He got massively buffed from 4 going into Ult all around
He's a very competent zoner with a powerful keepaway tool in hydrant, while being great at scrapping up close which is usually the main weakness of zoners. Has a variety of ways to kill and even his most telegraphed fishing play with bell is very scary to play around. One of the bst recoveries in the game. Fsmash is simultaneously extremely strong and also one of the longest lingering smashes in the game, his grab covers spotdodges
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>>339018903
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>>339020582
>zoner with absolutely bullshit frame data
Idk man you tell me
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I had to fight a laggy Inkling with Shiek and I barely won. That was hell.
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>>338854391
>is strive coming to switch? with the SMTV leaks I think that the protagonist might be on the table for the last character
wut? What did I miss? Which leaks?

Personally, I don't want another Atlus character. Their JRPGs are mediocre and overrated. Only kinda like the Xenoblades when it comes to JRPGs in Smash. But if we get another Atlus character, well, I guess there's nothing I can do about that. Hope at least he/she is fun to use and not another boring swordfighter like Joker.

After playing Blazblue Cross Tag, I realized that Smash got screwed over by getting Joker. He's so boring and uncreative compared to other Persona characters. Like even if Persona sucks, at least Arcsys was capable of making some of their characters kinda interesting and unique to play with, like Aegis, Akihiko, Elizabeth, or Mitsuru. Sure, the latter is a swordfighter, but at least she uses a fast rapier fighting style, which isn't something available in the Smash roster.

Joker didn't bring something new, fun, nor unique to the Smash roster. He's just one of the three Sony exclusive anime swordfighter dressed in black with a masochist meter gimmick. So if SMTV gets a fighter, hope they actually put effort into making him unique and fun to play with.
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could he win evo?
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>>339024696
even fucking lima won evo bro, its not hard
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Do any of my most wanted characters stand a chance? Or are we just getting Hashibatsu Yokimisha from an obscure Japanese game nobody has heard of?
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>>339018729
Gonna get my comfy chair and some snacks lads
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>>339027549
>monster rancher
Come on now..
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>>339027973
A man can dream.
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>run into another shiek
>he plays like he mains her
>lose
Am I just not allowed to get this piece of shit character to Elite Smash?
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Holy fuck the new documentary is fucking boring. I'm not surprised it flopped. When is Leffen's episode that caused a shitstorm? I'm 5 eps in and he hasnt appeared yet.
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>>339032221
it was censored by the press
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>>339032478
I got the uncensored version from anon's torrent
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>>339032615
He was a firm believer in Fox, yeah. But maybe you’re forgetting his autism towards Falcon. He literally put him below Pikachu. And he underrated the fuck out of falcon.
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>>339032615
Leffen being a fox apologist refused to order the top 13 stating that they could all win tournaments. he also said B tier could also win tournaments, it was just harder. Most noticeable thing is that he thinks Mewtwo is viable/ decent
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>>339032820
at the time of this tier list (august 2016) there wasnt a falcon in the top 10 while Axe has been in top 10 since 2013
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>>339032478
No it sucked before that. Super bloated.
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>>339032969
>he also said B tier could also win tournaments, it was just harder.
>Doc
I wish
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>>339033152
Barely anyone else was ranking Falcon that low even at the time. Most people put him just below Peach because it was clear that the character had potential to everyone but him because he couldn’t win with him.
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>>339033314
I think it’s easily possible. Plup almost won a major with fucking Luigi, a character he didn’t even really practice with. I think the main reason why mid tiers lack results is because no top players really bother with them. I think if you forced someone like Mang0 for example to grind the fuck out of Doc that he would eventually get it done with the character. Obviously it would still be difficult though.
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and this is Hax's most recent Tier list from a couple months ago. Spacies and Marth are clearly above all the rest and Falcon and Sheik are better than puff considering Hbox wont be dominant again
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>>339027549
>Do any of my most wanted characters stand a chance?
>Monster Hunter
nope
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>>339034680
I had a double-take until I realized that Zelda was actually Sheik lmao
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>>339034681
i mean the mii swordifghter outfit came back
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>>339035539
>he doesn't know why Hunters only get armor sets in a most crossovers
nobody tell him
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>>339024692
I’m surprised Joker didn’t get a Shulk style gimmick with Persona swapping. You’d have default Arsene, Jack Frost, two others and they could have different special moves.
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Sex with Mythra
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>>339036518
because that's just going to result into something more underwhelming
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>that guy who queues for team battles only to self destruct 5 times
What is his endgame? Other than sucking cocks.
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Lucario’s moves don’t fucking work.
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>>339036518
He’d probably be a weaker character for it, but I personally really hate Rebel’s Guard. I dunno, it feels fucking stupid for someone like Joker, who’s a phantom thief, someone who tries to avoid capture, has a move about directly taking attacks to the face and benefits from getting hit. I get it’s because of the rebellion theme but it feels so awkward and lazy.
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Secondaries anyone? DRBR#629 might play some Fox after I warm up a bit
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Even playing GG Leffen just whines nonstop
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>>339040943
PROX#389
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Add throw teching to Smash
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>>339041191
who
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>>338982630
leffen is a faggot. I never wanna see his face again.
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Leffen has always kinda rubbed me the wrong way. The guy is very smug.
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>Shoto player has the audacity to say that my character carries me
>I play joker
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>>339036914
complementing mythra by calling her beautiful and watching her make dorky expressions
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>>339045648
Back off. Don't talk about MY Mythra that way.
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arenas?
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So... Rosalina is still corny.
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>>338989517
When did I Banged Dads Wife reply to evidence2?
when did m2k?
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>>339048163
>corny
GET THIS SORRY ASS NIGGA OUTTA HERE
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>>339048407
You said "GET THIS SORRY ASS NIGGA OUTTA HERE"? Get that ass banned.
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>>339048248
M2k posted a comment on the video but then was bullied by r/ssbm to delete the comment since he told people to make their own opinions instead of just listen to whatever he has to say cause he's a top player.
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>>339048248
The day of iBDW was saying someone close to Hax has to check in on him and that he needed help.
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>>339048795
Good lad.
Hax is right. Leffen is a massive faggot.
Everyone knows it but they stay silent.
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>>339048248
>>339048795
Wait, didn't that guy literally come out and say he fucks his mom? lmao
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>>339050405
yeah for absolutely no reason too.
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>>339050470
>iBDW is a literal motherfucker
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>>339018729
can't wait. Hax should get into true crime after this all blows over, he has some seriously good video production talent.
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>80% of the thread is e-celeb drama cancer
Who cares you fucking niggers

Tell me about the latest hype as fuck match you were involved in
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>>339051669
I beat an annoying ass Megaman player with Pyra/Mythra. That game almost went to time.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_gjMKTwEm0

Why aren't you playing Peach?
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>>339051669
I got clutched on hard by a Puff (melee)nat the end of a super back and forth game. I think Puff is my favorite character to play against, even if I think rest is dumb.
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>>339052289
>pyra mythra scumfuck
>calling other people annoying
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>>339052604
You act as though they have no weaknesses. They have a really fucking hard time with projectiles.
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>>339052789
no they don't you're just shit
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>>339052875
Yeah, okay.
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>>339040943
when I said bad connection and lets play later I was searching for the "too good" but my controller double clicks on the taunt button for some reason lol ggs
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>>339041294
GGs. Donkey Kong Pikachu has to be 70-30 at least
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>get one win away from getting shiek into elite smash
>choke
>lose two more times after that
FUck my life.
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>>339054068
>lost again this time to bowser
Fuck this game, i'll try again tomorrow.
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Any Young Link tips? This fucker is so fun to play, I want to make him my new main.
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>>339054419
Melee?
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>>339054419
If you're talking about Ultimate, I hope you get struck by a drunk driver
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>>339054419
If you’re talking about Ultimate, arrows are good for combos, so is up b on the ground, drag down fair, and down tilt. Boomerang is good for zoning, bombs can fall on the ground without detonating if you z drop making them good for ledge trapping. Nair is really good combo breaker, combo tool, and is great out of shield. To do nair out of shield with YL, you just have to slightly delay the timing of your jump and timing of your nair. It is slight, though. You’ll get the hang if it if your practice and it’ll become second nature.
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>hax took down the video
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>>339055452
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anyone down for some games? gonna be going my co-main but i can go my main if you simply ask (also for the anon who asked last thread, i main mii brawler. sorry i abruptly left yesterday, storm cut out my power)

HRJF3 / 55
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Mythra needs less lag on her fair.
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>>339055452
>>339055714
>make a 2 hour vid about obscure tech in a party game
>everybody pogs and shits themselves yas queen
>make a 2 hour video building a case against someone who has antagonized you and other members of your community for a decade
>suddenly you need help and are psychotic
smash community is beyond saving. it was already dying after evo 2017 and ultimate almost saved it but its clear not a single person in this community can call themselves an adult no matter their age. i hope hax just abandons this shit and takes everybody whose not a mindless twitter drone with him. suddenly the people that hyped him up on commentary and geefully jerked off about 20xx and the boxx stabbing him in the back when he spoke about something that mattered
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>>339056562
leffen is too powerful, especially after the metoo bullshit.
!hero
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>>339054653
No, but I should've specified. My bad.
>>339054756
Why? I don't camp. He's actually way better as a rushdown character and I'll die on that hill.
>>339055408
Thanks, anon. I've been playing him for a few days now and I've been getting decent results. The nair OoS is very useful info given how I've only been using up b OoS.
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jesus fuck doc's fair is strong in ultimate
at this point its not a punch its a demon slap
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>>339058501
the power of a phd
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Jesus Christ, Pyra’s dair is fucking toxic. I feel bad for using it sometimes desu.
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>>339059126
Fun fact, Pyra's dair is bigger than day 1 Ivysaur's dair
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>Tee hee! I hit you with nair once! Now you are locked in an inescapable zero to death footstool combo! Be sure to buy the rest of the pass, Gaijin!
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>>339056853
That's the worst part. Everyone is framing this as Hax bringing up old news and trying to get Leffen banned over things in the past but one of the major points of the video was that Leffen hasn't changed and there is literal proof showing this.
It's all so tiresome
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>>339058501
I knew I wasnt crazy, one time I KOd a Charizard at I think ~100% with fair, sending him from the right ledge to the left blastzone and thought that was weirdly strong.
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>>339060082
EW
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>>339056562
hax had some very fucking damming points but you have to admit, that shit all becomes discredited once he starts talking about fucking death notes and pancakes. All he did was give the Leffaggots fuel for the pyre.
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>>339060748
For visualization, this is just her spike hitbox.
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why do people complain about lucina again?
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Here we go again. Got to leave in the middle of a match because some shuddering faggot thinks it's okay to play online and only spot dodge and up b oos. My character litteraly can't function if there's lag. I get a ban warning for someone else's third world connection. I'm glad i'm not paying directly for the shit anymore.
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>>339059126
Don't feel bad, she needs it.
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>>339052409
If I played melee I would play peach. I'm decent with her in ult and I think there's a lot of similarities between how they play in both games.
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>>339061306
Do they? The only "complaint" I've seen is that she can't kill, but I'm sure it's as serious as the ZSS sucks thing from Marss.
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>>339060857
more than some, 90% of the vid is damning points. if youre not a retarded kid you realize you need to focus on the real shit and not the anime namedrops plus whether he gave them fuel or not they wouldve sided with leffen anyway because theyre braindead sycophants
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>>339061815
im talking about the dumbasses that claim that lucina is easy wins and has too much range because they lost to one online, if youd look at the pic related youd understand
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>pick byleth
>lose to rush down character
Wow Byleth sucks
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>>339061997
>play smash
>encounter byleth
>camp them out and stall for time
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>>339061119
haha what the fuck
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>>339061119
Oh my fucking God, is that real??
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>>339061997
>Encounter Byleth
>That matchup's +1 or +2 for Byleth
>Win anyway
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>>339059126
>>339061306
doesnt seem to help you win much though
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>>339061427
Peach is probably the most similar of all the characters between the two games but that'd work against you I think, there are differences and they'll stuff you up big.
I'm a Melee Peach main and I can't touch her in Ult.
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>>339062457
The most forgiving move in the game
This is fair and balanced, and if you don't agree, uhhh, FUCK YOU
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>>339062758
literally marth's melee dair kek
can you put it back on marth now sakurai
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for fuck sake, increase the range on this shit!
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>>339062758
That’s it. Pyra’s dair is the BEST MOVE IN THE ENTIRE GAME. Its hitbox is massive, it spikes, it’s used as a kill confirm into up smash, it goes through the fucking stage, it can be auto cancelled, and it’s safe on shield.
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>>339062695
Peach is actually more braindead in melee
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>>339063120
>it can be auto cancelled
well damn, that's kinda fucked up
>and it’s safe on shield.
fucking what? they made this character busted on purpose.
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>>339062960
show me a better grab
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popular titty monster has a single good move and smash players go monkey because of it
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Damn, I just can't keep up.
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>>339062758
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Imagine if hax's new video just adds a point about Leffen trying to metoo m2k
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>complaining about a top 15ish at best character
I sleep.
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>>339063920
hax comepletey forgot about that leffen vs chillen thing too
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>>339064360
I’m not complaining, I don’t think Pyra/Mythra is busted at all. I’m just saying Pyra’s dair is ridiculously good.
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Anyone around for Melee? END#316
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>>339063673
Your character is also really bad
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>>339064360
>top 15ish
Leffen pls
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>>339063860
Bylethbros..... this whole second pass was created just to humiliate us...
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>get stage spiked with no red lighting
>press r
>nothing happens
>die
lol online
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bros...
What if Technicals made a video against Leffen? Would it be worth it?
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>>339063491
ALL OF THEM/. INCREASE THE GRAB RANGE ON EVERYONE! FUCKING FUCK!
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>>339063173
Ult is more braindead than Melee so I think it works out to still being harder overall
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>>339065402
>telegraphed charge shot coming from halfway across the screen
>press r
>nothing happens
>die
fucking online
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What character should I win an online tourney with, /ssbg/? 5 decides.
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1V1 Random legal stages
3 spots
ID: 7WS1M
PASS: 493
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>>339066887
sheik
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>>339064868
You still around? DRBR#629
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>>339066887
Fox
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>>339067030
Sure, give me a moment and I'll start searching.
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>>339066887
Ice Climbers with an implied incest tag the whole time.
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>>339066887
Simon
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>>339066939
Arena is 2 paces, not 3
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>>339066887
Mii Brawler
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>>339066887
Meta Knight
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>>339066887
Luigi
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>>339067403
i fucked up, i'll remake it
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>>339066887
Dark Pit
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>>339066887
Random
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>>339066887
Fox
Has was right as tag
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>>339066887
Pokemon Trainer.
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>>339066939
NEW AND BETTER ARENA
ID: GB0OC
PASS: 493
4 spots
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>>339067745
Winrar, random it is. When I start the tournament, i’ll let you guys know what char it is.
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>>339067905
Wrong id? I can't find it
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>>339067905
I'm retarded
GB09C
493
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>>339068058
my man lol
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I got Wolf lmao.
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>>339062695
It’s funny that I play Roy in all three games but play him differently in each one. I use Fsmash way too much in Melee, but I almost never use it in Ult. The only real similarities in play is that I love the Uair-Fsmash combo, use Nair a lot and I use Ftilt a bit too much, especially in Melee where it’s a very niche move.
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>>339055975
gonna go join the other lobby whoever is still in, GGs to everyone i played
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i really need a new controller, my baby is finally running down on me.
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im gonna go feed my do ill be right back
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GG's.
Sorry I'm not much of a challenge.
I tend to play pretty casually so I don't really know a lot of stuff.
You guys were just rollin' all around me.
Also I'm bad at picking up on other players' habits.
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God damn it, I lost to a Cloud in the last round of the tournament.
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my toxic hylian wife
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>>339070495
i want to lick her arm pit
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>lost to another cloud in the last round this time because I sd’d
...
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One thing I dislike about Ultimate is that it’s too freaking easy. It really promotes scrubby behavior because of how watered down everything is.
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nice well placed f smash.
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>>339072320
that shit was robbery
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If I lose again, i’ll put the Wolf tournament win on hold. I wanna play in the arena.
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>>339072393
yeah it was lol
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>15 frames of landing lag on True Shoryu
What am I supposed to do as Shotos if I cant play Street Fighter with them?
I wanted to spam Mid Range Shoryus and have people run into them.
All the funny baits you do with Shotos in their actual games are gone and instead one's a cutscene character and the other plays like if he had 2 bars of EX constantly.
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ora ora ora! rats...
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Arena is full. Should I make another?
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>>339073670
I'm down to play.
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>>339073768
ID: K9HMB
Pass: 756
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That's it from me. GGs >>339068058
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Doc nooo
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Why is it that every time someone does a jab lock, they always use two jabs? Is one not enough?
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>>339075451
two just helps rack up damage or move you closer to the ledge if they nudge you a little bit before the second jab
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What are the odds of us bothgetting mac from random
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Luigi's taunt is so disrespectful lol. I wish that more characters had taunts with hitboxes.
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Why can't I beat the fucking dog
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>>339076224
Greninja has one that damages but it’s useless
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>>339076487
i wish it combo'd into up smash
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Did this happen in the Min Min trailer
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>>339076469
your punish game is lacking and you don't push advantage hard enough. her disadvantage is utter dog shit
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>>339076762
In my defense, I can't edgeguard for shit online
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>>339076762
Also what the fuck is that drawing
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I’m releasing you, Charizard
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Am I the only one getting microstutters in the lobby?
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>>339077254
Which lobby
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>>339076881
fair enough also just isabelle fanart, i can't really find too much art that's just cute
>>339077254
yeah i am too
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>>339077254
If you're talking about >>339074104
I'm experiencing microstutters too.
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>>338978451
what the fuck is the point of still complaining about something that's never going to be fixed?
nintendo does not give a shit. the energy is better spent playing another fighting game or just accepting and dealing with it.
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>>339077970
If you want I can try to switch over to my other connection. I have two connections on my router.
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well everyone left ggs i guess
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>>339053296
he's right though
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>>339067905
gonna head out for the night, ggs to everyone i played.
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>>339078190
it this is the type of attitude that gave us the shit online we have now.
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>>339051669
Personally I feel every match I play is hype
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>>339054419
KILL YOURSELF
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I went to do something and the arena died. Ggs I guess
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>>339078605
It's alright, the stutters have become a lot less frequent in the past few matches.
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>>339079012
you make a good point, anon, but there is a difference between demanding something to be better and talking to a brick wall.
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>>339079356
Okay
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It wasnt meant to be, Puff
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Wtf I thought Solomar was invincible
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Wow I didn't know that half waft had that much end lag.
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Did the arena shutdown?
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>>339081636
I thought you left on your own. It’s kinda getting late anyway so it was probably time to shut the arena down anyway. GGs.
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>>339081864
GGs, I enjoyed the random dittos.
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>>339082015
Same. Also GGs to Javi and PAL 64 if they’re still in the thread.
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>>339082383
>>339082015

Ggs dudes
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>>339067112
GGs. Can’t do another Fox ditto playing like that. My Fox was just completely off today.
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>>339084807
We were a mess today! Both of us flubbing absolutely everything. Didn't we just play the other day? It wasn't nearly that bad last time. I thought your punishes were much more on point in the early games but everything was continuously down hill. My Fox has potential, right? U-Smash in neutral is the real secret to success. haha
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>>339084960
Your Fox definitely isn’t bad at all, just missing follow ups off of shine. It’s pretty difficult to get anything but a tech chase off chase in the ditto though.
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>>339085136
>>339085250
>>339085387
Was hax right?
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>>339086291
yes
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>>339085143
I was being facetious; my Fox is trash! I think one time I got a double shine but I'm not sure how because it wasn't intentional. Trying to cheese you in the ditto only shows how much more you know about Fox than me.
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hey i was in a rush and had to go but ggs arena mii sword/pyra/other random
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>>339056562
you're completely right, it's like people have this kind of cognitive dissonance where what they like is SERIUZ BIZNIZ but stuff they're not completely invested in has no value and getting worked up over it is for disabled people. I mean this is true for a lot of stuff but the smash bros scene should realize how it applies to them a lot given not only it's a "competitive" scene about a party game but it's not even a big esport scene with millions of dollars going around every day
which is why it's even more important for Hax to not let go of anything and keep fighting on 'cause if he loses this then the scene is done for forever, not because of Leffen specifically (it's not like he'll actually do something, he'll probably fuck off in a few years) but because Leffen MO will be commonly accepted and will be the legacy we'll have to deal with. Imagine a future where every pro is just like Leffen, not only it would be a constant dramafest shitshow but the actual meta will be affected and i really don't want to see melee killed by its own players because they just could not stop being awful human beings.
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>hit c stick to do tilt
>nothing happens and i'm standing there like an idiot
>lose stock
Fuck. This. Game
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I found a great way to deal with shit rulesets, like hazzards on 1 stock 3 minutes is to just run away the entire game. It's makes a nice intermission. And while i'm still having fun the shithead who picked this ruleset has to suffer.
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>>339088685
Some Puff on High Elite actually took me to 3 Minutes Items On FS Meter on 3D Land
Good thing I had Doc on a stage where Puff can barely ever gimp me and semi walk off playing a character with a move with busted knockback even at 0%
I think I finished at +5
He didn't rematch
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>>339088842
Why did sakurai do this? I would be fine with the input delay, lag, and control bullshit if i did have to deal with all the gsp and party game bullshit as well. There was nothing wrong with smash 4s setup, why ruin it?
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>>339089565
Sakurai changed his mind yet again about wanting people who take the game seriously to be separate from casuals.
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>>339089565
I don't think Smash's team thought through very hard about the shifting demographics and the inconvenience of casuals dealing with competitive players and vice versa.
To be fair, it is a shift that has only been happening since Smash 4, through the increased exposure of competitive elements such as 1v1s without items, though half assed. But surely they must have kept stats about For Fun vs For Glory player retention over the game's lifespan, or % of players that actually played in both, and more.
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The video got taken down from youtube. Does anyone have an alternate link?
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>>339090614
Hax took it down himself, He's uploading a new one today or tomorrow
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>>339086291
>present legitimate evidence in an inappropriate manner
>normalfaggots somehow can't comprehend it
He has never been wrong
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>>339090614
We lost an important piece history
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>>339090614
best i can find you is this stream of technicals skimming through it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj_yYIpKIcE
normally tech is a huge faggot but this is what we got until someone reuploads
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Anyone up for an arena?
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>>339095058
i can play for a bit
we can do random ditto or whatever else
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>>339095135
I was gonna rotate between my characters. You wanna host or will I?
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>>339095312
You can
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>>339095468
Ok.

Arena is F8L9Y
Password is 1111
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>>339090614
>>339094351
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oww7ymiyvTg
heres a version where someone cut out all the fluff (hitler, dark triad, amogus etc)
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Aggro Diddy is a lot of fun
Gonna go to Random if you don't mind
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Shitty ass controller wasn't putting my inputs in correctly, so i started gripping it real hard in anger. Then i through it, HARD, into the ground and stomped on it over and over again. But it still wasn't enough, so i got my baseball bat and began knocking homeruns out of it.
I'm still mad, and now with a sore wrist. It still looks fine on the outside, but i hope it's finished on the inside. I just understand if a controller wants to act like a broken piece of shit, it might as well look like one too.
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>>339096012
Yeah no worries.
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I don't know why I tried to do landing upairs on someone who was constantly setting himself up for whiff punish
not the sharpest tool in the shed heh
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>>339095901
Good enough. Cheers, mate.
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>>339096648
Still nice Wario man.
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man i really am mouthbreather tier at this matchup
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this is embarassing at this point from me
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>>339097662
MY SPLEEN!
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well time to get pawnched again lol
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im so dogshit at this matchup its incredible
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i hope that parry was intentional because that was a true shoryu
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>>339099356
It wasn't.
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I am not an airfighter!!!!
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>>339099654
all my parries are unintentional nearly so cant blame you lol
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Next two are my last anons. Thanks for joining.
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>>339100210
no prob, ggs, not every day i play good macs
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GGs guys.
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Ggs Random (Wario?) anon and Rob/Lucina anon. Fun stuff.
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well that was an awful trade
GGs arena
>>339101434
nah, i'm not a wario main, i just really like wario man. compare my wario to my diddy and it's night & day.
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>>339101548
That's fair. He's an awesome character in his games, waiting for the Wario Ware myself.

Yeah, that Diddy hurt my Dorf, but going by the other randoms, seems like you got nearly every character down a pat. Pretty cool.
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>>339101706
eh, a lot of it is kinda fake and good people like you can bust the fake good from the actual decent, that or it's just tough matchups for mac
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>>339102082
I don't think it's fake but thanks man. Appreciate it You gave me a bruising still and all your fundamentals were down on all the characters so, you are definitely solid. All the best man and have a good un smashing.

Coming back here after years makes me feel so old. Nice to see quality players like you still round.
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>>339102675
thanks bro
ssbg's been going rather smoothly these couple of weeks. I see arenas & codes somewhat often & there's some good advice being thrown by some people.
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>>339102884
it's a shame that this place is the pinnacle of pleasantry in the totalitarian smash community
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>>339103847
>>339102884
Is that e-celeb drama going anyway in smash? Fortunately its 99% American based but it ruined my kiddy discord when it happened and they made a mountain out of a molehill like "MUH COMMUNITY!".

AFAIK Nairo went under and Zero too. Also that girl with the kid. How did everything resolve itself?
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>>339104184
probably better if you stay ignorant. shits cancerously retarded at this point, not that it wasnt before
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>>339105395
Mind giving me a summary?
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>DLC speculation might finally be over next week
Probably for the better.
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Welp. I've finally achieved my goal of getting all my favorite characters in elite. I've beaten the game. I don't want to play any new characters, and don't want to continue playing my favorite at risk of losing elite status. Guess it's time to box the game up and move on.
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>>339107447
You could jut grind out Arenas for fun or try to get top 9.9 for each character in classic.
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>>339107851
Im pretty bad at classic mode and already put way too much time than necessary grinding my time down in century smash.
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>>339107447
What are all your favorite characters ?
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>>339107447
Just a few days until knuckles is revealed for smash, buddy
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>>339105742
it's a bunch of interconnected and retarded shit dude, if you're really curious wait for hax$'s video that's coming soon™ or read the past couple threads.
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With this simple trick, you too can get sick wins in Slippi!
https://streamable.com/0ww58w
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How useful is this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAzBh5e3Ouw
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>>339128113
Pretty useful. Kill confirms with a strong character are great.
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>>339128113
>slow move has to hit kind of point blank
idk bro
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>>339128113
can't they just DI out?
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>l*ffen privated the Hbox hate video
It's afraid. Haxbros, it's starting to look like we won.
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>>339140984
He should have doubled down and doxxed Hbox, instead he pussied out. He's not even a good villain.
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>>339142139
he's waiting for hax to stream so he can swat him, duh!
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>>339140984
I take that as an admission, personally.
If Hax wasn't right on the money he wouldn't give a fuck about trying to hide that specific video.
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>>339142874
He's actively thinking about it too, unlisted then privated shows constant fear. His lawyer he got to sue Hax out of all his money probably told him Hax was 100% right kek
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Objectively, who is the worse character and why? Ganondorf or Little Mac?

Also is it true Ganondorf is the most popular character in Smash?
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Has Hax released the new video?
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How do I get out of Sephiroth's juggles? Piece of shit has got some massive range and can just wait for me to air dodge to keep hitting me.
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>>339145479
just check????
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>>339143732
Yes ganondorf is one of the most popular characters specially among casuals.

He is in the top 10 of most used characters in Japan.
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>>339143732
I would honestly say Ganondorf is worse, but it’s hard to say objectively. Mac at least has counterpick value though and he’s legitimately scary sometimes due to his good mobility specs. Ganon is just poor in every aspect. Disadvantage is atrocious, neutral is horrendous, even his advantage isn’t that good relative to the rest of the cast.
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Bros give it to me straight
Is Simon bad?
I've been playing with him for about a month and a half and I just can't seem to get anywhere with him.
I'm usually quick to blame my own shortcomings but it feels like I always get dunked on by anyone even remotely fast.
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>>339147291
He isn't bad per se, it's just that his good setups tend to be extremely precise (like that dawn air to cross to up b). Basically, other characters are a hell of a lot easier to use than him.
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>>339147291
Simon's shit. If you like his playstyle, just pick up Young Link
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Ultimate Meta Knight is such total jank I love it
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>>339147291
Not only is he shit but he's annoying, if you're going to play an annoying character at least play one that can win
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Nice, I forgot to crop the photo. Anyway, that freaking grab range...
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>>339143732
Mac recovery being bad is a fucking lie, Ganon and Dr Mario have a worse time due to the lack of a counter.
So yeah, at least I think he's better than those two, in FD he's basically god so he can't be that bad.
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>>339110280
I fell asleep. But...
> Hero
>Isabelle
>Mario
>Rosa
>Snake
>pit/pitoo
>zelda
>sonic
>>339116101
I really like how they gave the assist trophy the homing attack.
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>>339151351
>Mac recovery being bad is a fucking lie
>dies if anything at all interrupts his recover, even an aerial from another mac
It’s pretty shit, anon.
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>>339148812
Why?! Why does she, out of all characters, need a grab range this large?
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>>339152191
She's, quite literally, Sakurai's waifu.
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>>339143732
I would say ice climbers, for being an objective broken peice of shit. But between ganon and mac tho. Mac is worse.
>Also is it true Ganondorf is the most popular character in Smash?
In japan anyway. There was a poll and it was basically a bunch of anime characters(waifus), kirby(because japan always loves this creature), and ganon sitting on top.
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>>339152863
uuh, based?
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>>339148331
this is the only time i've seen a meta knight do something interesting besides UP AIR x10 into up b
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>>339152863
>>339153707

But he said he preferred pyra
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>>339153771
its too raw to be interesting
you should see dair strings
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>>339152191
>not wanting to be grabbed by Mythra
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>>339148812
this is painful to look at. dlc privilege is real.
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>>339148812
Full animation
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Threadly reminder that DK has a tie hurtbox in every Smash game he's in, and the Smash devs think its totally fine and acceptable
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>>339156718
hurting his style is the same as hurting his body, of course his tie has an hurtbox
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>>339156718
What does getting hit in the tie feel like?
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>>339156953
you don't feel like you've lost, but you know you didn't win
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>>339155151
God, i wish mythra would grab me...
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>>339156953
I've seen footage of someone jablocking a grounded DK while they were standing on a platform. Let that sink in.
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Being a small character in ult is the biggest DLC privilege I can think of.
Fuck rats
Fuck Villagers
Fuck Squirtle
Fuck Young/Toon Link
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>>339158912
fuck kirby i guess
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>>339159076
Have you ever played a kirby that crouches after areals? shit's a nightmare
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>>339159401
>dair to upsmash with pyra
Gg ez
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>>339159541
>Spams d-tilt first
Nice try kiddo
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>>339152191
Because she's deceptively minus on shield
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>>339160852
>minus on shield
That’s that mean
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Dodge staling should be more severe for anyone that isn't a big body
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>>339161730
What’s that mean***
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>>339161730
>>339161986
not him, but basically it means her moves aren't "safe" on shield. If she hits your shield, you can punish her for it.
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>>339161986
if a move is -5 on shield, it means that when your opponent shields that move, they get to act 5 frames before you do. he's saying her stuff isn't as safe as it seems
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>shuton dropped olimar
>dabuz dropped olimar
>myran's not good at the game
it's over olichads........
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>>339162923
does dabuz solo main rosa now?
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>>339162923
Good. Fuck Olimar.
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GO
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>>339164197
BOXING
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>>339162923
Does Dabuz play anyone that isn't painfully annoying to fight?
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>>339166581
there's nobody in this game that fits that criteria
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>>339166780
This. Everyone is dishonest.
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>>339166780
Not sure how it is offline, but online everyone's at least somewhat annoying, it's just to varying degrees.
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>>339167687
At this point, honesty sounds like a fighting game buzzword that means that a character has literally no redeeming traits.
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>>339167687
Yes, but some are more dishonest than others
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>>339168015
an honest character is a character that goes 4/6 against every character in the game while simultaneously having the highest skill cap, and inability to generate cheesy interactions on their own
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Let's say, that hypothetically, WiFi Samus decides to camp you.
What do you do to stop it?
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>>339168592
That character doesn’t exist in any game. Because everyone has a different opinion on what a cheesy interaction is, simple characters tend to be the well rounded ones, not the complex ones.
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>>339168716
There's really nothing you can do unless you happen to be playing one of the 5 or so characters that are actually good at fighting that
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>>339169176
I think that sounded obvious enough as is
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>>339168716
Use my own projectiles, a sword, or a reflector. If i'm using fast character I run in and fuck her up. If i'm using a character that has none of the above, I SD.
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>>339168015
It's not hard to understand
If your character can string two or more moves together with me being unable to escape, that's a gimmick
If your character can kill below 200% with a move that isn't a smash attack, that's dishonest
If your character can hit mine while I'm recovering and it makes me unable to make it back to stage, that's cheese
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>>339169851
>having combos is dishonest
lmao you're literally proving his point
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>Play Free for All
>Get Pyra as ally
>Win
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>Attempting to play Super Smash Brother's Ultimate for the Nintendo Switch
>Opponent immediately sandbags and BMs before we've even had the chance to game
Why the fuck are Ultimate players like this?
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>>339173827
>Attempting to play Super Smash Brother's Ultimate for the Nintendo Switch
>Opponent starts to mash profusely before even getting close to me
Why the fuck are Ultimate players like this?
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>beat a zero suit’s ass
>lose a stock
>get zero suit to 120, well within kill range
>he back theows me and down b spikes me and I die at 40
I fucking hate this game so much.
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>>339175845
The devs need to realize that ZSS isn't broken because of her fucking combo game. She's broken because if she really wants to, she can just never get hit, ever, and there's nothing you can do about it if you don't have any good projectiles. And even then, she can just weave around spam with ease.
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Hax posted a revised version, trimmed an hour off of it: https://youtu.be/vs8no4n_tlQ
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>>339176773
Oh snap it's not a cut of the original 2.5 hours, it's 1.5 hours of new footage summarizing the old, all webcam no pics/text.
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HAX BROS ITS TIME
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>>339176773
based hax at it again with another video
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>>339175845
Back throw flip kick is like, the noob kill option.
C'mon dude, I really hate being that guy, but you should literally always hold center stage on those % because ZSS players just go for cheese.
>>339168015
>Honest
Unironically lucina
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>>339177334
And how was I supposed to know to do that??? I rarely ever play against ZSS.
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I miss smash run
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>>339096157
New day and just tried to use it and it internally doesn't work anymore. Rest in piece my old friend we had some good times, but it's time to let you go. I'm sorry it had to end this way.
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>>339177516
Hey, I'm telling you because it happened to me too, not that it really matters anyway. You know know it's a thing, don't fall for it again.
Also, her grab is really bad, try baiting her into using it and punish her for it.
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>>339163048
Primarily Min Min now. Though he'll still play Rosa offline.
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Why the fuck is Joker so tiny bros, god damn he's like a bug.
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hax cries in the video
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>>339178667
I don't think I've ever seen Hax this emotional before
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>>339178948
History will remember him as a hero.
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>>339176773
he could've cut out the crying shit, but so far his points are pretty solid and conclusive. I'm about 15 minutes in and he has me hooked
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>>339178496
He's not, but his head is. It's like they forgot to adjust his proportions to fit smash like they did with bayo. He looks like a fan made mod
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>Leffen screamed in Rocky's hearing aid ear
Is this actually true?
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How does saying "seek help" help anyone?
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>>339180371
It makes Twitter feel good
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arenas?
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>>339180662
You'll get your arenas when you fix this damn door!
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>hax crying on Cam
It hurts bros
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>mashing tryhard falcon keeps trying to style on me
>he takes two of my stocks
>he having a hard time killing him
>he tries to falcon punch me
>fuck this shit
>run off stage and sd last stock
>block the falcon
I hate playing against tryhards. I tend to choke whenever someone tries to style on me so I tend to SD when someone tries to kill me with something like Falcon Punch on my last stock. It’s never a good feeling when moves like that hit and kill you.
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>horrific abuse
>banning people and yelling at people
lmao
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>It’s another “Inkling who starts the match campy and refuses to initiate any interactions for minutes on end” episode
Ok, but why? I know to expect this at my level of GSP, but I really hope these guys are practicing for actual tournament play. It’s the only semi-passible excuse for sucking the fun out of friendlies.
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>>339182156
I see that Leffen's tard army is on full damage control mode. Conveniently, you glossed over the fact that Leffen yelled right into a competitor's fucking hearing aid and then banning him from competing right after
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>>339182156
yeah i was expecting something actually horrifying. its just leffen screaming in a guys ear with hearing aid
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DElete this video NOW.
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>Hates tards
>Hates disabled people
>Hates minorities
>Hates his own kind
Wow, leffen is BASED
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The c inputs on the 64 controller would make a perfect for tilts in ultimate. I wonder if i can mod them into my gamecube controller.
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>28:50
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Is there anything more degrading than these Twitter users acting like they care about Hax by telling him to "get help"? Are they actively trying to do this gaslighting bullshit or is it just second nature for these psychopaths?
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>>339183619
the slave class still exists
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>>339183619
Hax make an unmistakable error. He made himself such an easy target with dropping a two hour video and throwing a hitler quote in it.
However, even if he were sick, he still has a voice to speak, coherent words and there is validity in his accusation.

Despite these people pioneering "believe victims" and "mental health issues are valid", they will be the first ones to disregard you, label you mentally ill, parade about you being incapable of rational thought and tell you to "get help sweaty :^)", which ironically would be very ableist, but they don't see that because they don't care to begin with.
And Leffen will walk free because he has a "sick fox."

You're witnessing a victim of abuse try to plead his case but it's falling on deaf ears among the crowd of "get help you dumb mentally ill schizo btw Leffen godslayer documentary pog???".
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>>339184152
Did you only watch the first few minutes of the first video? There was a lot more funny shit than quoting Hitler
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>cries in your path
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>>338983434
Holy shit based.
Just what i expect from /vg/
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>Leffen jumped to the podium on frame 1 for the metoo movement
Hax is still bringing the bants
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>>339185204
hax is too based for this community
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>>339184826
I watched the entire video, but twitter is full of statements with "I didn't watch the full video, but-".

In my opinion, I don't give a shit that Hax used unusual analogies and quotes.
Abnormal presentation does not take away from the reality.
Here's a lifehack people don't realize: You can agree that Leffen is a piece of shit without agreeing with Hax's totalitarianism and dark triad philosophy, but apparently Hax was genuinely right about that as well, since what happened to him on releasing the video was genuinely wrong and I can see why Hax would feel it dystopian.
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>>338992280
The absolute state.
If you think hax’s “expose’” wasnt anything more than schizo rambling and general speculation, you’re retarded and should kys unironically.
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>>338993815
/thread, sadly.
Yet criticism on ULT gets silenced, ad homed, or both.
Wake me up when we get a game close to melee or when sakurai decides to get up and fix the goddamn buffer system.
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any arenas up?
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Such a bad fucking writer. You don’t have to milk the “press” analogy so hard to make your point. Call it what it is, a cult of personality.
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>>339186308
the leffenpresse
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I like to abuse grab release to get free jabs when i have no reasonable option to throw.
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>>339187472
The Yoshi way
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>>339187983
you can punish yoshi grab release
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>oh, a swedish player is a massive faglord?
>seems like a usa problem to me
never supporting this pussy cuck again
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>>339188327
Imagine listening to Mr. milk first
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here's an arena. I havent played in a little while so it's gonna take me a few to warm up
ID: GSKLH
pass: 2
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>>339188327
>being associated with pedos and schizos makes me sad :( only Americans should have to deal with that and not me :(
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>>339176773
PS. Leffen, I aint done yet
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>>339188327
mr r forgot that 95% of all the most important tournaments are in america and his scene does not matter unless glutonny enters the bracket, i wonder why so much focus came onto stories from america given this knowledge
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>>339032221
>roy
Checked and digits confirm.
A skilled roy can beat any fox.
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>>339188697
How many are in?
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>>339189238
I just got here but there's no one else
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So we agree that Ridley is mid tier, right? I personally believe he's directly in the middle of all characters. You're retarded if you think he's high or low tier though.
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>>339189404
I must be retarded because that's a low tier
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>>339189710
I beg of you, explain how Ridley is low tier when he has incredible tools in his nair, smash attacks, and good access to combos. The only weakness he has, and I admit is a big one, is his weight and size. It is this reason why he is mid tier, but to think that weakness alone would put him all the way in low tier is asinine.
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i actually cannot believe how retarded reddit is. they actually believe hax is an unhinged lunatic obssessed about leffen. i have never seen such retarded fucking sheep in my life and it is honestly perplexing that this fucking shit hole has the most levelheaded discussion going on about this shit. it's easy to say he's fucking obsessed when it's not ur trauma.
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Sick Bowser!
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>>338975429
Vergil/Dante when? Wake me up when they get in.
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>>339189934
he should stress the pdf more, that's where the real proof with witnesses is
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sorry if im playing like shit arenabros, im listening to Hax video, Leffen is a fucking psychopath lmao
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>>339189934
Guarantee you none of them watched either video all the way through
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>>339190847
yeah it's incredible just how much this community fucking sucks
I feel for hax
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>>339190847
Link man? And no biggy. It's just a game.
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I know Mach isn't that great but Mac is fucking retarded online. It takes no skill whatsoever to play him because his smash attacks are strong, fast, have super armor, do lots of shield stun, and are basically lagless. I wish Ultimate's online was better, that input lag really screws you over.
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>>339191068

>>339176773
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>>339191140
If you're the bowser, dude you've beaten me 2/3 times.
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>>339191217
Oh, i'm not in the arena.
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>>339191068
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>>339191192
Thanks head.
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Arena full :|
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>>339191140
I do think mac gets buffed by unreactable shenanigans, being more difficult to punish and also edgeguarding him is harder, This is why Peanut is a sham.
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>>339191315
YOU SMELL YOU STINKIN ELF!

>>339191575
I think most people who say this, barring actual lag, who say unreactable just have bad reaction time. For any character. We had some people screem at one another ages ago over Zelda's unreactable up-b.
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>>339176773
Why in gods name does he do all this in such a dramatized manner of speech? Just explain what the hell happened, it's an hour and a half nearly.
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>>339191807
Oh please, You can't compare zelda shitty Up b to smash attack after smash attack without any repercussion.
No wonder even pros struggle against the character online
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>>339192114
Quite a few people can counter mac's smash attacks online. In fact I am being punished quite brutally right now.
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>>339192072
thats how hax has always spoken
and if someone harassed you for 8 years you wouldnt be mr straight face when you talk about it either
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Can Leffen get arrested for all the shit that he’s done to people
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it's feeling laggier than usual for me. im wondering if I should reset and remake the arena

>>339191217
lol
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>>339192763
screaming into someones hearing aid is an assault charge for sure
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>>339192926
Bowser city in here! Damn, nice to see a good one.
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>>339191140
once lost to a mac at my locals because i did shadow sneak while he had KO punch and it haunts me to this day
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>>339192395
>and if someone harassed you for 8 years
It's called not being a drama queen. Go to the police over it. It's so stupid. No offense to Americans but it is absolutely absurd the amount of personal drama people make when this should be dealt with by authorities.

Listen to the dumb kid

>Totalitarian
>psychopath
>"evil"

He's trying to use big words but it's so over the top. Just call him an asshole, he harrassed me etc etc. Why not go to the authorities?
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>>339180371
It does not but it imply that someone is crazy so is just it a way to insult someone of being crazy and deranged.
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>>339192763
I mean, there's no evidence of any of this, is there? Can you get arrested for just testimony?
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>>339193417
There was an Angry Joe accusation for harrassment and he decided to only go public AFTER going to a lawyer. This is what none of these stupid kids don't understand.
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>>339193417
You know that’s a good point, hard proof would be helpful. Chat logs maybe?
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>>339193178
okay, so youre some underage yuro
civil suits are a bitch and a half and theyre private matters, hax is trying to make the community broadly aware of the shit that leffen has done and keeps doing
if big words turn you off then go ahead and stay out of it, this is for adults to discuss
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>connection error

What? I just got the bowser too.
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uh. well I dont know what happened. I (the host) got kicked out of the arena. I guess I'll use it as a chance to reset because I was feeling some lag anyway
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>>339193760
>underage

No

>if big words turn you off
That's the thing. They're not big words. They're "big" words. He's a kid trying to explain his harassment issue through anecdotes and "evidence" over an hour and a half which should be addressed legally.

>bitch and a half
If he cared that much, he would have done something.
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>>339191140
>>339193053
Mac players might be retarded. They play the worst character in the game, a character that plays completely differently than the rest, just to ruin the fun of others. It's not hard to beat them, you just have to completely change your playstyle to something completely boring though.
I believe they only exist online though since their character becomes twice as bad offline, which is even more pathetic.
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>>339194286
Funny as I've been able to emulate my success online and offline as Mac. I think it's just salty players who can't learn the matchup.
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new arena.
6 slots this time, however, I'm going to change it to dubs if we get 4.
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think ultimate will have a decent balance patch before it finally dies?
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>>339194583
How did Nairo recover from the accusations?
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>>339194723
he had to suck Leffen's dick behind the scenes
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>>339194216
yes
adding quotes doesnt change what you said retard
hax is the only one acting mature about the situation
putting quotes over evidence doesnt make it less real
some things cant be addressed legally and many of this is old news so the statute of limitations might apply
he clearly cares because he compiled many peoples cases and testimonies and is making sure theyre heard

again, if you dont care you dont have to but youre clearly invested enough to go against the words of people who actually have dealt with leffen while you sit in middle of nowhere yurop jerking off on netplay
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>>339194723
Zack managed to be so unlikeable that even being the "victim" of child molestation wasn't enough especially considering he initiated it.
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aaahhhhhh
stop starting
I said I'd change it to doubles. this is the last one I swear
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>>339195285
wait, can you let me play the mac if he wins? I wanna try my ridley on him.
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>>339195285
Should I wait to join the arena? Also, is the arena full right now?
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>>339195345
fine

>>339195524
we are at 5/6
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oh shit
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What is the consensus on Pyra and Mythra's place on the tierlist as individual character?
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Would anyone like to play Melee? END#316
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>>339188854
Europe, Japan, and Mexico have plenty of talent they just don't travel to the established US tournaments.
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1 v 1 arena
4 spots
ID: 86HXF
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Sorry, got confused about which Zelda I was.
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>>339195592
leffen says pyra without mythra is the worst character in the game
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>>339189874
Not him, but I mained Ridley for about a year before dropping him entirely. Yes, he has a lot of good tools, but that means absolutely nothing when the rest of his moveset doesn't function the way its intended to.
>Up tilt doesn't hit opponents standing behind him despite the animation starting directly behind him
>Neutral b is his only tool to stop campers, but you can be punished for charging it and it isn't even shield cancellable
>Side b doesn't even kill midweights at 150% while other big bodies can use their command grabs to kill at MUCH lower percents
>Skewer doesn't even make opponents tumble over if done out of a down throw
>Laggiest spot dodge in the entire game despite his weight. Yes, even DK has a faster spot dodge.
>Can barely do anything against rushdown characters
>Can sincerely do absolutely nothing if his opponent decided to camp him out

Ridley still needs buffs, desperately. He's an absolute joke of a character at this point and the fact that people see him as anything other than the king of low tier is the result of raw, unapologetic delusion.
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>>339195963
It's 87HXF
I'm retarded
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I LOVE YOU ZELDA

- Mac
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Yeah fuck em up mac! Lol
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>>339196012
he doesn't play the game tho
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>>339195739
japanese players travel to usa tourneys all the time, the entire top 4 at switchfest 2019 was japanese. many mexican players show up to us tourneys as well usually not east coast stuff though
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>>339196012
Who gives a FUCK what that BITCH-boy Leffen has to say.
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>>339196291
he does but he talks shit about it the whole time so he doesnt alienate his melee viewerbase
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okay which fucking arena are we in lol
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>>339192763
he'll find a way to arrest the cops
the anime villain aspect is truly impressive to say the least
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oops
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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EZ GAME
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Ggs 1v1 and dubs lobby. Was fun. Real sorry blonde, white dressed Zelda for beating you up when we were on opposite teams, you were my favourite partner. Really good sync throughout our game.

Nice to see /ssbg/ still has the toppest class lads for sparring online. I remember coming here way back during Smash 3DS. Cheers for the good time and all the best.
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Oh my..
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>>339197483
Ggs. Yeah it's no biggie. That stuff happens. You were like the tank and i was support
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>>339197734
That's exactly what I was thinking! Was great teaming with someone where there was actual chemistry, never mind actually trying not to hit me which I really appreciated, even on the fly! Wish you the best blonde haired, white dressed Zelda anon and stay safe during these times man. I'm probably gonna pop off /ssbg/ again for a good while, just wanted to come back for old times sake. This geezer is too grey now.
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>>339196012
Leffen’s a fag, solo Pyra is pretty low tier though. Her only saving graces are Side B which makes her oddly decent against a small portion of the cast like Snake and Dair being pretty big, even if it slow. But besides that, she’s not that much better than Ganondorf.
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>>339196012
Didn't he also say that about Snake and that Falco was the best character in the game
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>>339198365
he said snake was bottom tier when ult came out
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>>339196045
I also main Ridley and have none of these problems. He's mid tier.
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>>339194920
>adding quotes doesnt change what you said retard

I see you are illiterate. Ironic considering you called me a retard.

>putting quotes over evidence doesn't make it less real
You literally sound worse than a twitterfag.

>some things can't be addressed legally and many of this is old news so the statute of limitations might apply
If it is significant enough to be calling on now, there should be enough evidence to get him regardless. Or is it the case that the law fines are as outragous in the US as their healthcare?

>
again, if you dont care you dont have to but youre clearly invested enough to go against the words of people who actually have dealt with leffen while you sit in middle of nowhere yurop jerking off on netplay

This is predominantly an issue in the US. Being in yuro or not, we all play the same game and we all share the same group. So designating it as a US problem and trying to understand it from that end is important. The US citizenry love suing till they drop dead, they should be able to do something here if he stopped being a dumb kid.
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I'm so upset that that thrown away Levin Sword killed me at 0% because it took my jump
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where the fuck is my second exslash
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Nice magic pass robin.
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>>339197483
>>339198176
I can't believe people actually play Little Mac. The only way you get wins is from people not know the match up. On the off chance that you are actually a fantastic Little Mac, you're still an asshole who forces people to play against cancer incarnate, changing the game to something that isn't Smash Ultimate. No other character changes the way the game is played as horribly as Little Mac does.
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>>339198874
shotos and luigi are worse
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>>339198874
Learn the matchup man. I've rumbled people and I've gotten rumbled. I used to be among the best at my local, for a time the best. Offline. I taught a friend the matchup and he went from losing 9/10 games to losing 5/10. Just learn the matchup.
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Sorry for the sd. Joycons fucking up my inputs.
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EW BOWSER HEAVY ARMORED MY BACK AIR LOL
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>>339198806
lol
>>339198854
I've been trying to pelt you with them to catch
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nice, gj
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>>339199295
I'm a bad catcher...
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>>339198624
>I have none of the problems
Then you don't main Ridley. My points are all based in fact. The only two points you can dispute are the bottom two, but that's only because low level GSP niggas don't camp as much as higher level players
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>>339199097
It's still incredibly boring to play against though, you aren't understanding.
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>>339199831
I consistently get top 8 at my locals and sometimes get top 4.
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>>339196045
To be fair to side B, Bowser’s side B is extremely susceptible to DI in terms of kill power. Ganon’s side B just allows for a tech chase, you’re not guaranteed anything, you could live it up to 300% or higher. The only heavy with a command grab that fucks you up is Incineroar’s, and he needs it. That said, I feel like Ultimate’s idea of who gets a kill throw is fucked up. Why is Pikachu Uthrow a kill throw? Why do Ganon and Dedede lack a single kill throw even though they’re slow assholes? None of it makes sense.
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ggs boys, believe it or not this was my first time playing dubs. was fun!

-Bowser
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I can't do doubles, I can never understand what's going on lol. GGs.
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>>339199942
I do understand. You're saying to me Little Mac forces you into a position where you must change your gamestyle which is extremely agitating and boring. Which I assume you mean camping.

This is partially true. If you don't know the matchup, it's actually your only choice t o beat him. I understand that. But from my experience here, before and the last two days, if you know how to actually engage Little mac in neutral, which you can actively, you can still win. It just requires good timing and baiting.

As someone who has autistically played Little Mac to the point he got me into actual boxing, I can tell you there are three types of opponents I meet. The first two fall under your predominant categories which you are telling me.

>1. The regular
Good. Not bad, not great, just good. Has the fundamentals down but does so based on muscle memory alone and not timing. Is brutally overwhelmed as they try to poorly play vs Little Mac as a standard character. Tend to 3 stock these guys in under a minute and a half.

>2. The Camper
The guy above except refuses to approach. Simple. Sometimes can be dealt with, sometimes very effectively, as I need to bait and time a good hit to knock them off their perch and they become 1.

>3. The Good Player
While my scene was small, we definitely made waves, some of us even went international. Not remotely Zero level but definitely up there. These guys know their movement, neutral and character and matchups inside and out.

There are two sub categories to this. Half of them I can generally trade matches with, 50/50, little more, little less, depending. They have nanosecond openings and both of us need to punish each other within moments or otherwise things can snowball

OR

The category I play who are just so pronouncedly above me, I just shrug and get my ass rekt 3 or 2 stocks. Fortunately still the minority despite my more advanced age.
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>>339200673
I believe it :^)
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>>339194286
>pick the most unfun and toxic character to play against in the game
>forces their opponents to play in the most boring way possible because that’s how you win
HURRDURR WHY DO PEOPLE DO THIS THEYRE SO LAME BRO THIS SHIT IS SO UNFUN
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I can't believe I got invincibility from hocus pocus
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I forgot the teams changed. sorry rosa
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>>339200230
Alias? I'd like to watch your fights assuming you aren't talking out of your ass.
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If it wasn't obvious already, Light's statement confirms that Nairo isn't competing ever again. 3 years, 3 top 10 players gone
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The imposing presence of a yoshi forward aerial
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>>339202079
All thanks to Bayonetta
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>>339202079
What's also been confirmed is that Sephiroth is shit against fast characters like Fox.
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>>339201849
I would tell you, but I don't want to doxxed. But, if you're down, I'd be willing to play some matches sometime.
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Ahhh, finally
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I have to go. I'll set it to 1v1 if anyone wants to play that way
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Ggs doubles
arena is still up by the way
1v1
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>>339202875
Ggs. Thanks for host
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there is nothing more cucked than shielding something, shield dropping, tilting and then your tilt stick not working
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>>339202079
I unironically only gave a shit about Ultimate competitive because I found Nairo entertaining, so that's probably the end of my competitive watching days.
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>>339203390
This. Aside from Light, Nairo is the only motherfucker in Ult who actually gets aggressive. Everyone else, even Leo, just camps. I literally cannot blame any of the top players who quit voluntarily.
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>>339198756
>If it is significant enough to be calling on now, there should be enough evidence to get him regardless. Or is it the case that the law fines are as outragous in the US as their healthcare?
please just google statute of limitations anon, it's a thing that basically every legal system has
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>>339204284
>Nairo is the only motherfucker in Ult who actually gets aggressive.
this is repeated constantly when it's not even true by the nairofags in here, please go on another cocksucking rant about your favorite pedophile streamer
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>>339203390
Get Nairo unbanned from Twitch and revenge rape CaptainZack and you'll get Nairo back
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I wanted to down air like you so bad lmao
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>>339204829
Leffanoid hands typed this post
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I will say anytime Nairo comes up there is literally no dissent in the conversation, it's always like someone is samefagging
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I hate how I can never combo or sweet spot Joker
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>raw Falcon punch to start the match
kek
GGs all
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>>339205529
huh, and here i thought i had godlike DI
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>>339205753
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every time I tune in to nairo vs light, light is winning. is nairo actually washed? maybe this is why he's sticking to quickplay
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>>339202079
>statement
?
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>>339195963
>>339196078
Thanks for the rounds lads, I know I was a punching bag for the majority of it but I learned a lot from fighting you, I appreciate the training. Ggs - Terry
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>>339206593
He said he's frustrated that he's never going to get his runback. Also just said that if Nairo was going to tournaments again his Wolf would be one of the best
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>>339206909
thanks bro
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>>339206518
Probably. He doesn't really play Smash offline anymore and didn't play for a while in those months that he disappeared.

Also, Light is really good and Sephiroth is ass against characters like Fox so you'll see a lot of ass beating.
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>>339206518
Nairo and Light were even when Nairo was going Palu, to be fair. But Nairo obviously lacks top player practice.
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>>339003560
This ban was because he was 100% going to be voted in.
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>>339206369
Hey man what can I say, Joker is a skinny fuck. To be fair, hitting opponents without arsene gets some time to get used to, especially against swordies and small characters. Everyone else is fucked tho.
>>339206615
GGs bro, nah you were good, I feel I don't know terry pretty well, but the ones that do nair cancel stuff are scary.
>>339206518
He beat his ass game one using palu, he still got it.
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>>339004896
Byleth isn’t really that gimmicky even if they’re still a boring character.
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>>339205670
Yeah ggs. Lol
Funny thing about that last match. I've been putting together a new controller from spare parts the entire time i was here, and just finished at that last round. Sadly the y and control stick were fugged so i was panicking since i couldn't run or jump properly. Sorry if it looked like i sandbagged.
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>>339206518
Most of the people he played with before were banished to the shadow-realm so he's got lots of rust.
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>>339207765
All done. Now i promise to never abuse my controllers ever again.
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>>339198756
>>339194920
smash community doesnt goto court over LITERAL CHILD RAPE, why would they goto court over this leffen shit?
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>>339195963
Still open, I'll go do something irl
3/4 spots
The correct ID is
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>smash SJW council (slime, ludwig, jisu, etc) ignoring everything Hax said and just taking potshots at him over his schizo lingo again
Ah, kinda disappointing but still about what I expected.
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>>339209473
Ranked mode will make everyone forget and this will all be swept under the rug. At least Haxs has a fanbase who wont fall for this bullshit.
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That Lucas vs Sephiroth match was janky.
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>>339204329
Only applies to civil cases. If this was ssrious, the statute would not apply and therefore again it's just kiddies making mountains out of molehills
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Wtf Link is so easy to play.
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>>339210357
You played like you mained him lmao
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>hax cries for 3 minutes just to say the word "retard"
kek
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Watch GA3 get Joker from random and I get Donkey Kong lolol
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where can i watch the part of metagame leffen forced samox to change?
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>>339212381
The original documentary or just the reaction of multiple people to it
Leffen, Mang0 and Toph
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>>339211432
i knew a kid with nystagmus in elementary school. the way people excluded him was pretty fucked and i still think about it to this day. if you think hax was crying about the word retard instead of the complete dehumanization of some kid that just wanted to play smash youre, well, a retard
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>>339212339
Pure fundies bro
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>>339203316
>shield dropping
>ultimate
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now THATS a comeback mechanic
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>>339202454
>All thanks to Bayonetta
More like thanks to Smash players not being able to handle horny and lewdness in a healthy way, to the point they became groomers and pedos.
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>>339210254
anon, leffen hasn't committed a crime, he's just being a manipulative loser. that's not illegal.
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>>339212887
Factual comeback mechanic ranking:
Aura >> OWA >= Arsene > Waft > GO > Limit
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haha slingshot go sling
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>>339212907
Bayonetta's fucking ugly.
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why
god i hate mashers
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Yoshi is such a mashy character, I feel toxic
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Please god someone tell me you have a link to the OG Evidence.zip2
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>>339213742
A once in a lifetime trip, my guy. Sorry you missed out
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im not good at hitting kicks
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>hold down a with simon
>die for it
Sounds about right
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>>339213742
stop hyping it up, the only difference between it and the new vid is a long slideshow with the original evidence.zip cases, which you can read elsewhere, and about 30 minutes of hax explaining what totalitarianism and dark triad are, which you can just google.
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>>339214153
>stop hyping it up
>perfectly edited and presented video
>adidas meme gone
FUCK OFF
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SNIPED
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>>339213057
I think Waft is still really good, But Limit being shit is 100% true.
>powers up only ONE of cloud's specials.
>not really that much of a boost, roy's side b is still better than limit cross slash
>his hitboxes stay the same, only his mobility gets a really small boost.
Arsene
>Extra hitboxes
>Powers up all specials and now they deal massive damage and can be used multiple times unlike cloud's
I guess It's because base cloud is still pretty good but fuck I wish they at least made Limit last forever.
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>>339214401
Limit lasting forever was what encouraged Clouds to stall and camp in the first place. Hell you can still see some remnants of it with Sephiroths that get OWA and plank/hang around the ledge like crazy
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>>339214559
He needs it
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[insert image of Ash crying after he lost the league here]
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>>339214751
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>Nairo gone
>Samsora gone
>Tweek mindbroken (possibly trans in the future)
>Zackray free
>Marss too cocky
Who the FUCK is going to stop him now? He's going to rape the Smash scene harder than any of the pedos. Maybe a rabid Smash fan will murder him to save the scene
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Pacman having a kill throw and good frame data is proof that this namco fucking cheated
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i'd loathe being an ike main holy shit
all people do is hold shield against you
insufferable
the amount of empty hops i need to do
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>>339215159
He will stop himself, with no contenders left he will begin to job almost intentionally, realize he feels nothing even then and go back to CoD
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they have already forgotten
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>>339215660
He won that tournament
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>>339215660
>even after this mario mains have the audacity to say the character doesn't carry.
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So Toph and Slime basically concluded that Leffen shouldn't be banned that he should be forgiven and that Hax$ needs another hobby?
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MYTHRA LEAVE ME ALONE
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mythra just presses buttons
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>>339215994
saying toph and slime "concluded" implies those tards are capable of critical thought
we've all heard enough of their commentary to know better
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>>339215159
Don't forget Tweek knew about the whole Zack pedo situation too but didn't say a thing, If Technicals decides to go after him, it's over.
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my robin schmooving a bit
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Okay guys, last 2 games, ggs but i've been playing for hours, my eyes hurt.
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>>339215994
Toph rides on leffen's microdick so hard
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>>339216281
And people think Ultishitters are bad, at least Ultimate twitter fans are like unknown players that nobody has ever heard of but to see the top of the Melee community be so braindead just because their top player top streamer top happa is an influencer and plays good doesn't mean that his actions should be forgiven and forgotten
And people in Toph's chat were going "Ur so brave for talking about this" Embarrassing, the Smash community as a whole is trash
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If that’s how Rosa vs Shiek went in that match, i’d hate to see that shit in Smash 4.
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>>339216638
Who dis? GA3?
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>>339215994
Toph was more sympathetic towards Hax. Slime rode Leffen’s cock the entire time and basically pretended that Hax made everything about Leffen up. Although Hax did embellish a lot of shit.
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aight ggs everyone then
random's fun, megaman is hard
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>>339217050
Yuh, I'm leaving.
GGs.
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>>339217221
>>339217247
GGs
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>>339213742
Looks like someone archved it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeUf6S_b-_U
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>>339215660
based
https://www.twitch.tv/almacon/clip/BlazingInnocentTildeNinjaGrumpy-nDaMOAHFaKWBZICs
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https://twitter.com/WeshBallz/status/1403592276744425473

BASEDBALLZ
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>>339217413
BASED
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>>339217459
Weston Dennis
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>>339215994
Toph is biased because Leffen and him are buddy buddy.
slime is a 2 brain cell hack that is only relevant in the smash community because he has a rich friend, he acts like he is so high above everyone then backs it up with nothing.
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>>339217459
based
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>>339217459
i remember there was some tourney where sfat just lost to leffen and westballz and sfat were doing an interview or maybe sfat joined the commentary desk wth them and westballz was explaining what leffen would do during a set and how it was like he wanted to force you to feel bad for losing and hed say shit to belittle you as inferior, and sfat was like "yeah thats true"
they were both kinda drunk and mango was there too but i dont think he was talking out of his ass, that shit sounded like genuine pain and annoyance that only liquor could make you admit
needless to say westballz is going to side with hax, he knows how leffen really acts
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>>339217247
No one plays mega man. I forget he's in the game, and that's sad to think about. Wish he was more meta relevant.
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>>339217221
>>339217247
>>339217291
GGs.
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>>339217459
>check replies
>see this
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>>339217959
he's tough & unorthodox to play
he doesn't really fit my push buttons all the time style, i can do pellets or try to do stuff like you saw but the whole conditioning & capitalising on pellets i'm bad at, i want to push my advantage from hits, not hit to push mistakes to then push my advantage
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>>339218054
no...leffen bros........our overlord is being attacked....
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>>339218054
am I retarded or is that tweet horribly worded
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>>339218328
both
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>>339218054
Leffenbros it’s over..... We... Lost.... Hax I kneel....
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>>339218467
NOOOOO FUCK
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>>339217459
Why are people giving him shit for this? You’d have to be pretty fucking dumb to shame someone for defending Hax at this point. Especially since he released a better video a few hours ago. Twitter is full of brain dead zombies that literally don’t think at all. These people would jump off of bridge if an eceleb told them to.
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>>339217459
kek based
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>>339219597
Bros, he got us....
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>>339219597
at this point i dont even care man, let leffen tear the community up. scene doesnt deserve to exist if this is whos part of it
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Where can I watch the uncensored metagame documentary?
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>>339221986
trust me, its garbage. not worth the time.
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>>339222087
You're not fooling anyone, Leffen.
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>>339213057
GO is fucking broken. The only reason people don't complain about it is because terry has trouble holding onto his stock by the time he gets it
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Absolute Chad
https://youtu.be/vs8no4n_tlQ?t=2319
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So who was right? Hax or Leffen? Can something actually come out of this or Hax getting banned its the end?
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>>339224004
Hax is right on all accounts, Leffen will walk away because the Smash community is rotten to the core
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>>339224004
Hax getting banned because the community is afraid of Leffen, most importantly those at the top so people like Slime, Toph and Mang0 have Leffen's back and the community will parrot their opinion
Even Westballz was cancelled because he didn't get along with Mang0
Hax$ is 100% right in this scenario and his evidence is solid, if anyone else would've done this it'd be overlooked and seem just as a hater, if a more famous top player would have done it then it would be accepted but that'd probably be only Zain and Mang0
Fuck Smash
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>>339224004
Both were wrong
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>>339224164
Westballz was cancelled?
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>>339224084
And that only proves Hax was right
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>>339224450
no, he was a super big personality in the scene then he had a little beef with mango so people started disliking him. then last year somebody tried to metoo him for saying he likes asian girls, and now hes backing up hax against lefffen. hes never been banned or cancelled from anything, yet
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>>339224776
He never had beef with mango, only his gf
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>>339224819
my guy, if you ever had a gf you know her problems are yours
mango was more levelheaded about it but he still wasnt on wests side
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Armada
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>>339224951
>>339224951
>>339224951
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>>339224450
Yes, last year they accused him of "fetishizing asian women" because he dated an asian woman
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>>339212381
>>>/t/1044113
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test
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>>339107421
>Probably for the better.
It is



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