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Casual arenas on alts are dead edition.

Previous: >>334242931
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post the nudes again, quick.
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>>334299993
>Trying to make imbalanced buggy 13 year old Arena competitive.

Why do they hate fun bros
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>>334299993
teach me how to get gud at hunter
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Ratings used to increase by 10-20 when you started at 1500, meaning it'll take about 30 net wins to get to 2k+. You increase by ~100 when starting at 0 but greater diminishing closer to your actual MMR, meaning it'll take roughly the same # of games to get to 2k+ anyways.
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>gets hardstuck at 1400 rated
b-bros w-why is everyone so tryhard... I just wanted to .. ughh... have f-fun...
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>>334300436
press 2 buttons
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Any good EU guilds to join?
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>arena queue times 30+ minutes after the first week
Not my problem.
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>>334299171
>muh inflation
Just because shitters who can't get into guilds are spending thousands of gold on pug runs doesn't mean fuck all
Literally what are you going to buy? Trade goods? Find a guild. GDKP? Get good. Arena boosts? Get good.
If you need piles of gold to succeed you were never gonna make it in the first place
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>>334299993
I WILL icelance u to death
I WILL get r1 as rmp
you WILL cry about it.
my name is magechad
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>>334300667
that's ~100 games too many
I just want my shoulders without spending months grinding for rating. leave it to Blizzard to fuck over the casual pvpers and cater to the top 1%
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I just wanted to play draenei shaman in 2s for fun bros...
I won't win a single game if everyone plays rogues mages warriors in top tier comps from the start...
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>>334300953
stfu faggot just get t4 shoulders then
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>>334300847
wrong general tranny
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>>334300374
they dont but the playerbase fucking hate it
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>>334301163
>just buy t4 shoulder from gdkp gruul's for 20k gold
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>>334300935
I will just buy a boost thank you, stay poor loser.
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>still no word on dual specc
Please blizzard, I don't wanna have to spend 100g a week going from SL/SL to raid specc
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I will buy glad boost
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>>334300847
>being a clicker.
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>>334301494
if it kills, it kills
and if it dont i respawn
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>>334301356
>NOOO I WANT MY LOOTIES NOW NOW NOWWW WITH MINIMAL EFFORT
Try joining a guild sperg, or are you too much of an antisocial incel?
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retail casuals mad they wont start at 1500 and be given welfare epics for hitting 70
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>>334300935
you want to join a good guild? okay where is your full crafted profession set week one with the best gems and enchants? oh you trying to get carried in quest greens and blues? no thanks.
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>>334301741
>joining a loot cage when you already have a real job
you need to be 18 to post here.
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>>334299993
Why is "and equip" there crossed out?
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>>334301741
I want my looties now with minimal effort, why is this a problem? If the game is so garbage it has to be artificially padded maybe we should just skip this stinker xpac in it's entirety.
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>>334301363
Why though
I don't understand the concept of a boost
Okay cool you're decked out and look cool
You're still shit at the game
Why not just go to a p2w private server
Whatever floats your boat I guess
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>>334301839
Because it was a mistake.
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>>334301291
You gonna pay chang the goal you zooming nigger
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>>334301887
I never got to experience WoD when it was current content. looking forward to seeing it's appearance in Classic
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>>334301925
But it would've actually been a good change.
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the amount of furrys and other degenerates I met on my classic journey last year was obnoxiously high, neck yourselves impure faggots.
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>>334301836
>>334301887
>complains about every means of loot acuiqsition from arena ratings, GDKPs, guilds
>WTF WHY AREN'T PEOPLE JUST FUNNELING ME LOOT
Stfu you entitled narcissistic retards
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>>334301997
I want MoP.
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>>334301741
>joining tranny infested loot council that hoards everything and only gives scraps to heteros.
made that mistake in classic vanilla, not doing that again.
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>>334301913
>spend months grinding the Vanilla honor system for rank 14
>okay you look cool but you are still shit at the game
I don't know you tell me. why DO you care so much about what your character looks like?
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>>334302006
it would've been a perfect change.>>334301997
kys.
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Not gonna lie.

The TBCucks meltdown is just starting.
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did they change how silence DR works?
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>>334302141
>NOOO JUST GUZZLE DOWN A SHIT SLURRY STRAIGHT FROM BLIZZTURD'S GAPING PROLAPSED ANUS
ummmm sweater?
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>>334302339
consume more. ask less questions
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>>334302031
I've witnessed a guy just get into wow on my low pop server and hes been passed around from guild to guild like some whore. Now hes been kicked out of every single one and schizoposts in worldchat. Turns out hes a furry and likes underage animal porn. Some guy on the server said he reported them to the local authorities.
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>>334301997
WoD pvp was probably the worst wow has ever been. i didnt play most expacs before it but WoD was bad. they had some trust fund kid who didnt even like games given the job of designing it and he had no idea what he was doing. just terrible.
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>>334302294
fuck no, puting silence on dr would kill some iconic tbc comps
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>>334302141
loot discords haven't been about community for a long time. I remember when you would just be in a guild with people that you know and want to play with not random strangers you never see outside of raid.
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>>334302454
low key based
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>>334302187
>not understanding the concept of having pride for what you've earned
Fucking nigger mentality, you're a bum in stolen Jordans
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proffs for holy pala in tbc?
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Best single target ranged dps class that is king in leveling?
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hunter and warlock
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>>334303003
you didn't earn anything by wasting months of your life queuing up into chinese pugs

loser. don't tell me about accomplishments
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>>334303029
hunter
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>>334303029
BM hunter looks to be amazing in TBC, and is already one of the best levelers in classic wow while sporting decent dps.
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is orc the best race for hunter in tbc now that you're BM
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>>334303127
do they get exotic pets too in TBC or is that Wrath?
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>>334303265
Thats wrath, you do get a couple new pets with TBC like ravagers and walkstalkers tho.
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So how many expacs is Classic going to go through? What's the line between the more "old school" experience and "retail" experience?
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>>334303086
>on and on about rank 14 and wasted time
Who even said I got rank 14, stop projecting
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>tame me
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>>334303453
why would you take pride in being the biggest loser? what is wrong with your priorities
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Basically if you play a off meta spec, you wont be able to use half the purple PvP gear for a whole season .... What a nice change!
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>>334303447
pre WoD imo
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when the FUCK is blizzard going to come to their senses and give us eredar in tbc so i dont have to be a gnigger
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so pvp gear wont have a rating requirement when the next season starts, is it going to cost honor or arena points though?
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>r1 retail lock losing against random warr druid teams
oh no no retail bros..
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>>334303447
>What's the line between the more "old school" experience and "retail" experience?
The first line is between Wrath and Cata.
The second line is between WoD and Legion (when they started introducing shitty systems like artifact weapons and class legos).
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>>334303687
get a load of this hothead!
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>>334303687
retbros... it was our fucking turn
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>>334303263
Considering hunters will only get 2200 in S1 I don't think it matters.
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>>334303781
S1 sets cost honor and marks in S3
S2 sets cost honor and marks in S4
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>>334303821
there is no difference. both games are equally shit
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Can someone explain the effective difference between vanilla reckoning and tbc reckoning?
Can you not stack charges anymore?
I'll miss being able to fold rogues and fury warrs
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>>334303821
>>334303447
The line starts from where they abandon the whole "one soldier among many" to the "you're the hero" of the game. Stupidest change ever imo but it goes to show that retards and nu devs couldn't grasp the creation and maintenance of a world where they're not the protagonists, hence why the game evolved to a single player experience lite.
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>>334304156
ret is a meme spec
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>>334303631
Because what I got to was what I got to on my own
Why be proud of being a fake winner
Holy fuck you have got to be miserable irl
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>>334304249
I agree about the lore but WoW was always a single player MMO. as stupid as it sounds
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>>334304156
kys druid nigger

>t. Chad Fury Warrior
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>>334303930
so what, i meant for pve anyway
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>>334304391
I'm not proud of wasting my time I just want the gear, it's not the same thing retard. if there was no ingame advantages given to mentally ill gacha addicts of course that would be preferable to me
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What JC items are being time gated bros?
Thinking JC and Engineering or LW for rogue doing pvp and pve
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>>334304301
You must have been one of the thousands of rogues that opened up on me, got me to a quarter health, only for me to turn around and collapse you like a folding chair
>>334304412
>fury Warrior
Why do you even exist other than to charge up my reckoning bomb
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>>334304676
then don't play at all you absolute faggot nigger.
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>>334304805
I accept your surrender faggot
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are we gonna get dual specc though?
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>>334304805
kys Tel.
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>>334304676
Paying for boosts is literal gacha shit, better pay your gold and hope your booster is five stars!
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>>334304805
>>>334304301
>You must have been one of the thousands of rogues that opened up on me, got me to a quarter health, only for me to turn around and collapse you like a folding chair
>>>334304412
>>fury Warrior
>Why do you even exist other than to charge up my reckoning bomb
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So many toxic schizos itt
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>>334304805
based response. I'm even a rogue
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>>334304862
dilate tranny

you will never pass
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>>334304156
cant stack it.
you get a buff that makes you next attack generate an extra swing and it has 4 charges. so your next 4 attacks generate 1 swing each. no more blowing up roguechads
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>>334305189
go back to discord tranny.
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>So many toxic schizos itt
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we need transmog
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>>334304941
Just remember to stack crit and attack speed so I can kill you faster bb
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>>334305357
we need trannymog
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>>334305218
My dick is a humble 6 inches and I'm a proud man you absolute niggerfaggot, go back to your discord channel.
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>6inches
stop lying faggot midget
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>priest casts fade
>stop beating them to death
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Soon...
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>>334305389
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Ret, is in fact, Prot/Ret, or as I've recently taken to calling it, Prot plus Ret. Ret is not a spec unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning Prot system made useful by the Prot reckoning talent, bubble utilities and vital talent components comprising a full spec as defined by the Silver Hand.
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>>334304301
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>>334306016
that's from some dogshit private server btw
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>>334306016
I accept your surrender faggot
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>>334306132
I don't.
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>>334304941
>>334305082
Dual wielders seething
>>334305039
What the fuck is a Tel
>>334305275
So it's just a shit windfury? That's faggoty as fuck
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>>334306242
who are you quoting?
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>>334306429
the guy above me accusing me of being a fake gamer
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who are you quoting?
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>>334306493
if you're such a gamer meet me outside the dark portal in 36 minutes
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>>334301494
when did he even click on that clip
>>334300847
also thank you for the content frend great video as always please keep it up :D
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>>334306016
You don't even need epics to pull this shit off, I went straight into AV at 60 with full Imperial plate and lold my way around the map
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Anyone want to run RFD on faerlina horde? I'm outside the dungeon. No one wants to come :((
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>>334306836
i click to downrank because binds r hard
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boost me to 60 on sulfuras alliance
immediately
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https://tbc.wowhead.com/news/viridian-phase-hunter-burning-crusade-classic-promotional-mount-on-9-1-ptr-322167

>retail gets the low poly mount and bc get the hd mount
What the fuck? Shits going to sticks out like a sore thumb
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>>334306958
just put ctrl 2 on your keyboard fren though i dont know how often in your life you'll be using downranked seal of command
honestly i respect opening the spellbook more its like improvisation on the fly rather than some entrepenurial gamer trying to seek approval with his epic binds
its cool frend some things be cool
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>Stop playing Horde
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>>334306946
if i got muted for more than a 72 hour peroid i would just unsub. long term chat bans are basically stealing your money. its like
>oh you can pay to play our multiplayer game you cant do interact with other people because you said a nono word 2 days ago hahaha
i mean why? wow is shit and im looking for anything else to play already at this point.
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>>334307458
Mine was over two weeks. Kek
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>>334307614
did you just go around the city saying NIGGERNIGGERNIGGERNIGGERNIGGER like that one webm
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>>334307110
i think at one point i had a macro to downrank with ctrl
but i kept getting them mixed up and decided to stick with maxrank and manual downranks
the only time i ever need to downrank is when i'm oom which is rare so i just didnt bother
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>>334308097
ya one time i actually had to open my spellbook to downrank to a spell i had enough mana for to barely win a fight when i had like 1% hp, pretty intense.
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>Immediately ripping aggro off the tank with Aimed shot+Multishot
Not my problem.
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>>334307739
I will not reveal my techniques
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I'm level 14, but don't like my name or haircut. How long does it take to re-level that much?
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>>334308575
Just do it if it bothers you that much.

I was you once and I regretted it.
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>>334308575
/played
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>>334308575
do /played to see how long you played. it would probably be faster the second time. I do that all time, get up around 10 then decide the name sucks and restart
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>>334308391
>Ignoring those mobs until you feign death
Not mine either.
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>>334308731
this except level 60
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>>334308819
>It's a raid boss and we wipe because you don't taunt
Not my problem.
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>12k saved up
can i get a non-meme answer - thats enough, right?
I keep seeing guys saying you need 20k minimum for tbc shit. i have a guild, stable spot.
i have never swiped and have not participated in any gdkps so i feel good with what ive saved but i really dont want to keep making gold, its exhausting listing/relisting and i have no idea how the real auction house goblins maintain it without botting.
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It's over bros.

They were never going to give us TBC. We were lucky enough to get Classic.
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>>334309308
No, you need 50k minimum to buy the stuff you want. Glaives will go for 100k
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>>334309130
>'yo zugzuggodx watch threat you're lootbanned/cutbanned for tonight'
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>>334309502
>I'm the raid leader
Not my problem.
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>>334309546
lol ok retard
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>>334309653
Not my problem.
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>>334310053
kek
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>>334310053
fuck you the raid boss was a hologram and im the shadow leader
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any big brained warriors help me out?
If I'm a dagger ACLG warrior would it be better to switch to a two-hander and different gloves for trash packs and use daggers for just bosses?
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>>334309308
Yes that's enough, ignore these fuckin retards
Anyone in a solid guild will be profiting off of gdkp instead of paying
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>>334309492
>No, you need 50k minimum to buy the stuff you want
i'm in a guild and have been since phase1, why the fuck would we switch to some meme gold bid system. we are dadgamers, not zoomer filth or chinks.
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I'm going to miss being able to farm BGs for the honor set. I hate what they're doing to TBC, it reminds me of retail.
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>>334308575
do it now before you hit 60 and feel the same about the hair. 14 isn't too far/hard to get
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>Orphan Grug idolizes Cairne Bloodhoof, badass Chieftain
>Orphan Randis idolizes pic rel
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>>334310294
I can't find a guild this late (If I want to do vanilla content and have dungeon gear).

This is the problem with horizontal progression. You literally get left behind if you don't join at the right time.
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>>334310294
why do you think you need gold then? enough for tbc? what are you even talking about if you don't do gdkp? you get enough gold to support everything you will ever do in this game just by playing it normally
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>>334310474
yes you can. maybe it depends on the server?
i see loads of guilds recruiting.
maybe they aren't gonna do mc but they are running zg, aq20, etc. almost no point to do more as tbc invalidates everything except naxx gear minus a few items.
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>>334310252
If you got BRE, then yes.
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>>334310474
blame gdkPee for hitting soft rez and ms>os with the improved execute overkill
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>>334310451
This video seems like it would be helpful to teach me how to help friends up when they fall, where would I find it
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>>334310252
it would be better if you just bought edgemasters and got a real main hand bro, you are severely gimped as a dagger war unless you are tanking
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>>334310665
>what are you even talking about if you don't do gdkp?
i guess that was my question then.
i haven't played retail tbc and only very briefly on a pserver. Back in "the day" i skipped it due to college and then came back during wrath.
It's possible im just being meme'd, i am not a smart person or i wouldn't be here.
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>>334310876
what is soft rez?
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>>334311124
>just buy edgies for 3k a month before tbc :^)
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>>334311478
should have bought them for 500 week 2
should have rolled a non shit race
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>>334311478
>just miss out on playing warrior the way it was intended before it becomes absolutely shit tier for the next 4 years (v:
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>>334311124
I have edgemasters but still got kingsfall as my best main hand. Kingsfall with harbinger of doom or death sting sims better than Hatchet MH with kingsfall OH. but maybe sims are not the end all be all. I got the highest DPS in my guild with kingsfall MH a few weeks ago.

The reason I ask is because yeah on non single target trash WW/Cleave is kinda gimped, which is why I was thinking of going 2h for trash.

>>334310831
I have CoUM and badge of the swarm guard which is kinda like a pseudo BRE. though badge obviously won't be up for every single pack.
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>>334311209
Honest answer, you don't even need 12k gold. It definitely helps, but if you're in a solid guild, you'll make enough money leveling, questing, etc. Anyone yelling about inflation lives on a dead server
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there is a severe lack of draenei slut posting and it seriously makes me question the average sexuality of the typical classic player.
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>>334300847
Criminally based
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>>334311882
copy that, im on whitemane. and yeah, not speed clearers but been with them since p1 and we've had naxx on farm for months.
thank you anon
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>>334308353
do i have to choose? what if i want to play classic until black temple comes out on tbc?
can i choose at a later date to upgrade my classic character?
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>>334311882
it's the opposite, you're fine if on a dead server but good luck competing with all the bots and gdkp players for mats on a high pop server.
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>>334299993
>retail crusade
theres 0 chance they don't launch with tbc tokens as well. enjoy fighting fully decked glads at sub 1000 rating, just like in retail
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>>334312179
you WILL choose or you can't play your character

apparently you can pay to upgrade to tbc later (or reactive a classic char)
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>>334312173
Even if your guild is mediocre, you'll make some cash off of GDKP
>>334312179
If you pay for the character copy feature
>>334312332
Idk my server is on life support and everything is cheap as fuck
Regardless he's in a decent guild so he'll be fine
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>>334312815
>Even if your guild is mediocre, you'll make some cash off of GDKP
a lot of our guild does participate in gdkps so i know, for me at least raiding once a week is enough and ive been luckily able to sell shit on the auction house.
i also am not a fan of them in general since its laundering chink gold but i keep that to myself, i dont think people do it on purpose.
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>>334312542
>make gear unobtainable to casuals
>casuals don't want to do rated pvp
>average players stuck at lower ratings than they should be
>casuals buy boosts instead
>boosters destroy the average players by having better gear and more skill
>average players buy boosts instead or don't want to pvp anymore
>good players stuck at lower ratings than they should be
>boosters destroy the good players by having better gear and more skill
>good players buy boosts instead
>entire ladder is infested with people that have 2k weapons at 1700 after they tank back down to play with friends and the cycle of players being kept down continues
We saw this happen in retail already when the once prosperous rated PvP scene at the start of the expansion died quickly once the boosting problem became evident. Arena in classic might already be dead before the expansion has released.
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>>334305218
tranny tranny dilate tranny tranny tranny tranny tranny

tranny tranny you tranny tranny will tranny tranny never tranny tranny pass tranny tranny
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>>334312068
futa goat are passé bro. we into sissy cumelves now
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>>334313216
NO
I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE RECKFUL
THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE MY TIME TO SHINE
NEW TITLE RECKFUL GLADIATOR PLEASE BLIZZ
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That's right, keep that curse of shadows up for me purple. You and green thought it was your time? Gandalf always wins. Now, summon my buyers for my mara boosts.
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>>334313216
If they don't revert the requirements I'll just remain unsubbed. I don't want to no life for gear with nothing but try hards. Seems like an easy way to suck all the fun out of the game and also have to worry about doing raids / buying raid gear to do pvp shit.
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>>334313147
Meh it's not so much money laundering, gold is a lot easier to farm now, people want to make/spend more.
>>334313216
Oh yeah, it's definitely DoA with these changes
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>>334313950
you mean curse of elements bro you getting high on that wizard weed bro don't smoke and shitpost bro
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>buying raid gear
why are all of you so obsessed with this?
arent you faggots in guilds?
is this just doomer posting of the guys who are gkicked from every guild on the server for gamer words or "epid redpills" in gchat?

why on earth would you be doing anything besides finding a guild this deep into phase six? do you hate yourselves?
this feels like the blog of some neo nazi saying empire strikes back is "woke bullshit" because lando is black.
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>>334312542
Just imagine. The prices for everything will skyrocket. As well as botting.
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>>334314338
They're trash people, trash players, or both
Which is sad because classic raiding is a joke compared to retail
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>>334314067
>Meh it's not so much money laundering
yes it is.
twisting nether isnt going for 30k to some shaman with zero mage alts because he farmed gold legit, he swiped.
by proxy, all the gdkp carries benefit from that swipe.
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>>334313543
>futa
disgusting. why would anyone ruin such a beautiful creature with a penis? I'm not going to give the retail trannies an inch with my goat women this time. I'm not sure how or when it happened during retail all of the sudden two foot long horse cocks became a thing on goat women, but I guess degenerate trannies have to make everything they touch worse over time.
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>>334315013
ok dude go away now this is a tranny general
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>>334309308
I'm trying to get 10k- I just want to be able to afford epic flying and level tailoring on my alts. The start of an expansion is the most profitable time of the game. Even if you're behind in gold you'll be able to make it in the first week when people are dumping hundreds of gold for the level 70 blue JC trinkets 10-15x the cost of the mats, and the cloth cds are going to make bank.
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>>334314651
He had a cucumber in his ass I'm not watching that shit
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>>334315113
no. go back to /wowg/. TBC won't be tainted by you retail futa tranny cucks this time.
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>>334311860
b-bbbbros?
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>>334315489
Was that from the only fans? I don't believe you.
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>MoP classic soon
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>>334313216
>World of Warcraft’s The Burning Crusade Classic expansion continued to drive strong results for Blizzard following its record-setting release in June with the re-released title setting sales records. This was largely due to very strong in-game store transactions with a record amount of tokens being purchased, fueling unprecedented growth due to a demand for player driven services.
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>>334315730
Whens the brap?
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>>334313216
isn't this literally why nobody likes the arena in sneedolands
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>>334315524
post the one where she gets captured and raped by blood elves
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>>334315660
Someone posted it in the last thread
Amazing atheist tier
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>>334315989
yes. its the first time in the history of arenas that ratings deflated across the board for each bracket, with half of the playerbase not even able to reach even the lowest checkpoint to upgrade gear. part of it is their shit, but why put shit players against gladiators in full best in slot gear regularly? and contrary to popular belief this shit isn't done for gold either, its mainly cash. boosters are rakin in a TON of it.
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>>334315169
thats what i was thinking, i was going to keep mining early on and just liquidate the outland ores. i can buyb them for half what i sell later on i bet.
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just won hand of edward the odd, worth much?
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>>334316427
Nothing.

*DEs it in front of you*
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>>334303447
>What's the line between the more "old school" experience and "retail" experience?
Originally it was between WotLK and Cata, but it seems Blizz and all the retards feeding them their own dumb ideas want to cross that line much sooner.
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>>334315730
Ah, it finally makes sense I dunno why I didnt put it together until now. It was around MoP when retail was invaded by furry degenerates and along with the trannies they conspired together to commission draenei women being corrupted with futa cocks by furry artists that were angry that draenei women were both hairless and dickless purely beautiful creatures
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>>334315989
Bingo
Better brepbare your angus to buy a boost so you can get gear and actually be competitive
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>>334315730
Would unironically play that desu
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fresh when?
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>>334316152
great taste anon, thats the chapter that awakened me.
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>>334316427
it used to be. its still a good meme weapon.
proc is shit. but if you're a paladin/shaman and it procs in a duel, its almost 100% win condition.
whatever you do, sell it before pre patch. look up what it changes into.
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>>334316980
>tbc
does it change? i know there was a robe with the same name
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>>334316904
this is the remaster the world needs right now
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>>334316187
That was actually pretty hot. Do you have more?
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>>334317375
what a cheapskate go sub to her of if you're interested
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>>334317758
this but ironically, support the things you love
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>>334317196
changed to haste proc in 2.4 i think
someone smarter can tell youn if thats still good
if you decide to fuck around with it, its fun but make sure youn set up a weak aura for the proc as its only 4 seconds long. very easy to miss and barely an animation to it.
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>>334317758
>Paying for porn on the internet
I'm not an incel, Maria.
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>>334317954
rofl ok dood
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>>334315989
Yeah. At the start of Shadowlands PvP was one of the best ways to get gear so everyone wanted to do it and players could find actual fair matches at any bracket. Then players rushed RBGs to get rating and got such an overwhelming gear advantage(a full 13 ilvls or more over other players) that they were able to steamroll even players that were better than them. Which lead to more boost sales which lead to more boosters which lead to more overgeared players and the process kept repeating until people stopped PvPing or bought boosts for themselves.

Smart players who got their rating in early got to skip out on seeing all the boosters but if they tried to gear an alt most will tell you that it became an absolute chore because you're constantly fighting people in 1800 gear in the 1500 bracket. You also had an issue where streamers would do games with followers so you would be in the 1500 bracket and have a very real chance of getting matched against a rank 1 player carrying a random to entertain his stream. There will be nothing stopping a player from climbing to 2050 in 5's and then destroying 2's and 3's for fun with their friends so it's quite obvious that under the current system classic arena is going to be fucking garbage after a couple of weeks. You should prioritize climbing to 2050 early and sitting on the rating and then getting points from a different bracket if you want to save yourself the headache, although doing this you're also going to be the overgeared cancer that ends up ruining a bracket for players with less gear than you.

Really one of the stupidest design choices Blizzard could have made because this system ruined Shadowlands PvP, which at one point the majority of the players were doing for gear, and made it so most players don't even want to touch it. Once they added Valor points back into the game from doing Mythic+ it was over, most players would rather grind that instead.
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>>334316365
I'd say the reverse is better- buying the trade goods and selling crafted stuff.

The people who bought chang's gold or stockpiled 50k gold are going to spend like motherfuckers during the first two weeks for the best BoE crafted gear.
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WHY DID SHE POT? *slams desk*
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RPers are really strange, why the fuck would you start rping with a stranger on a pvp server, this one guy told me shit like "those pants make your ass look good" and "that shirt makes your tits look huge" after i told him many times that i was a man, but "it's good cuz it's just rp" lmao, the absolute state of rpfags.
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>>334318947
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post some kino lore friendly arena teams

>femnelf warrior
>malenelf druid
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>*Proceeds to change TBC PvP*
>*Doesn't change Vanilla's ranking system*

What did Blizzard mean by this?
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Be more MANLY and MAYBE you will get woman
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>>334318947
is that maria?
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>>334318947
It's probably a little bit too big
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>>334319510
Nah, too feminine
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>>334319630
you're cute
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>>334319314
look forward to the esports arena tournaments
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>>334318846
>>after i told him many times that i was a man
breaking character on an rp server? hold still
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>>334319630
For you
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>>334318947
Looks like softcore to me desu.
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>>334319787
It was a pvp realm
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>>334316904
I remember waiting for these pages to come out.. Now this is a nostalgia fap
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>>334315169
So tailoring will be the most profitable profession?
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>>334319172
5 nelf shadow priests
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>>334319172
>5 orc destruction warlocks
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>kill hunter 7 levels above me
>die to two or three guys shortly after
>come back to body
>hunter is there
>do some stuff for a couple minutes
>hunter is still there
>res
>immediately rides over to me
>kills me after a struggle
>come back to body
>hes gone and i cant get revenge
i am actually fucking angry
this was hours ago and im still miffed
rode around forever and didnt see him again
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>some faggot kills me but i was afk and had a mob on me plus he was using consumables
>see him later and gank him
>logout and delete my character, reroll on a pve server
that faggot is going to his grave with a big fat L on his forehead
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We are waiting for the hot-tub streams, you whore.
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>>334319172
>4 male orc warriors
>1 female blood elf
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>now the co-gm of <Minty Fresh> has information surfacing showing he attempted to groom and solicit nudes from a minor
Is everyone here just a degenerate?
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>>334319172
>male troll s priest
>PROUD orc shaman
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>>334322129
that doesnt prove anything
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>>334321594
>not using KoS
NGMI
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>>334322087
now what the HELL could possibly happen next
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Orc or Troll hunter in TBC?
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>>334322129
>reddit
>discord
im not doubting that everyone in this screenshot is a huge fucking faggot but wtf does it have to do with here
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he said months!
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>>334322129
>classic player
>being a nonce
name a more iconic duo
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>1 zg run is 60g on my server
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>>334307417
wtf is your problem? the guy is just fishing
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how many coins do i need to get the r14 set in pre patch?
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>>334323914
>People said i will not raid in classic as Arms
>Cleared Naxx by now
I dont know if i got lucky or my fellows germans are somehow less autistic
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>>334323587
I regret not going Orc hunter just because I hate how fucking lanky and gross Trolls look
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>>334324253
i like trolls because they're gangly and disgusting, orcs are a bit short and stubby
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>>334299993
I just don't understand this change at all.
Before:
>people finish rep grinds, farm heroics, and clear kara
>eventually get bored
>they decide to dick around in arenas at a casual capacity since it provides another path for gear progression, albeit slow since they probably aren't very good and won't be earning very many points
>this also provides a fun way to gear alts
>they remain subbed during breaks in content
Now:
>people finish rep grinds, farm heroics, and clear kara
>eventually get bored
>arena is now pointless on their main since they will need to beat players who are not only better skilled, but also better geared, and the time investment required, while not nearly as bad as r14, is not worth dealing with TBC's already dogshit class balance
>this will be especially true for alts
>decide to unsub because there is now nothing more for them to do.
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>LFM mDPS
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>>334325117
They can start roleplaying
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>>334325117
God forbid having to compete with other players in a game mode about competing against other players.
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>>334325563
cant hear you with all that corporate DICK in your mouth
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>>334300847
holy shit that orc has the exact same character appearance as me, good taste
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>>334325563
God forbid the people competing be allowed equal access to the gear literally designed for the competition they're competing in.
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>>334325987
Its an MMO go play colorblind chess
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>>334326283
>massive
not for long
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the retail tourist meltdown both here and on the forums sips like a fine wine I must say
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>>334326934
link or fuck off grim
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>>334325795
>>334325987
>>334326372
"Daddy blizzard i did my 10 arena games already, i lost all of then but i stayed until the end. Can i get my free Epic Weapon for being a good boy now?"
Shut the fuck up, if you want a epic weapon that much then play better
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>>334326875
marked the wrong person, chill dude.
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>>334327121
who are you quoting?
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im trans btw
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Gentlemen I believe I have the solution to your problems
When the time comes, choose to stay in eternal vanilla.
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>>334326982
you will never get that weapon so why are you moping at me?
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>>334327169
Looks tasty. What do you think it tastes like?
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>>334326982
The reward for losing is less points; there was nothing wrong with this.
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STOP posting naked men
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>>334327169
is that from maria's onlyfans?
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stop trannyposting
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>>334325117
these are the same people who let the honor system launch without BGs don't expect the right choices to be made
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>>334327274
i'm not the one defending welfare epics, if you want participation trophies go to retail.
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>>334327538
shadowlands literally has the exact same arena system as "tbc" does after this change, chud
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>>334327481
No changes
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the retailcucks are laughing at us agian
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>>334325563
That implies that all classes are made equally and they're not in TBC. I actually can't wait for people to start bitching about mana burn once they step foot into arena, enjoy the sl/sl warlock meta.
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how does this fucking troon have over 1k viewers??
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>>334328297
/ourqueen/ is very entertaining
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gnome sucks
>manlet
>retarded
>shit camera perspective
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>>334313216
>>334315989
>>334318157
>>334316709
>>334316351
The issue with arenas on Sl is that the gear you got from PVP was as good as gear you could get from raiding and could be used in both game modes, but it was way easier to get since you only needed at least 5 people with you. Since it was the most simple and effficient way to get gear, everyone from PVP players to PVE players decided to do it, wich is the reason why boosting is so inflated.
The situation on TBC is diferent, PVP gear has resilience as it's main stat, wich means it's only BIS for PVP. You can get way better gear for PVE from Heroics, Professions, and Raids, so there is no reason to boost yourself trough arena just for some epic weapons, it would be way easier to just get on from blacksmithing.
Most of the people coomplaining about those changes are casuals that wanted a free epic weapon on they alts and insecure gladiator wannabes that want the PvP pool to be as large as possible so they chances of sucess are higher.
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>>334328648
>casuals
aka 99% of the playerbase, stop pretending you're hardcore dude you play wow you fucking faggot
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>>334299993
Two things:
1: I find it funny how a lot of people praising this change as "weeding out the shitters" will most likely never reach a rating that is even close to them being able to buy their weapons, especially since participation will be miniscule after this making the climb that much harder. (2k rating for an arena weapon? Are you fucking kidding me blizzard?)
2: The true tragedy here really are the alts that would have been fun to mess around in the overworld and BGs with in pvp gear.
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>>334328193
Classes were never equal at any point of the game, there is always going to be a meta no matter what. this is the natural state of the game and people unwillingness to accept that fact is why all classes on retail lost they indentity and became homogenized.
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>>334328840
>2: The true tragedy here really are the alts that would have been fun to mess around in the overworld and BGs with in pvp gear.
Hmm. Considering the MO of Nu-Blizz is to get players wasting as much time as possible in game (participation>subscription count) could this really be as simple as they want you to waste more time gearing your alts in an already dogshit expansion for alts? I hate this fucking chink world.
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Retailchads laughing all the way to the bank
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>>334328786
I'm not hardcore, i'm not going to get gladiator. But i also won't cry to daddy blizzard claiming i deserve every reward of the game just because i showed up.
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You WILL buy the arena boostie
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>>334328612
Cant wait to watch gnomes suffer in black morass. The puddles are deep enough to make them swim instead of run through them like everyone else.
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>>334329236
>show up to raid
>sorry bro no loot for you, ever :), do you want a participation trophy LOL?
Thanks bro you sure know how to keep the game alive.
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>>334328840
I won't even play arenas, but this change is based just to see wannabe esports gaymers seethe.
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>>334329467
I think dark legacy had a comic about this
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>>334329690
they made personal loot just for people like you.
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>>334328648
we'll see, theres going to be pvp boosting in tbc but it shouldnt be as bad as in sneedolands because on top of what you said about resil, the ilvl gap isn't as massive. a full glad gear has a good shot against someone in full merciless glad gear, meanwhlie in retail the gear gap is massive meaning high end players will absolutely obliterate a new geared player and won't take any damage from them in return. right now theres a 68 ilvl gap in a single season in retail, in tbc there's only s 36 lvl gap between glad and brutal glad.
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>>334328974
the meta in bc is stall games where healers try not to eat mana burns nonstop. rogue/priest and druid/warlock are the best comps of 2s for this reason. if you are not bringing a mana burn to 2s you can fuck off unless maybe you're a warrior and it's way more comp dependent than live has been in ages as a result. if you're a shaman then you only really have 2345 going for you. maybe you can do ele/warrior in 3s but have fun if you're eating mana burns and have no mana to dps.
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>>334329835
I'm about 90% sure you don't even play this game lol.
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It's a pretty silly change considering how fucking easy it is to get a similar level weapon from kara/gruul/blacksmithing.
Oh well, doesnt affect me since I will rock the arenas with my Deep Thunder warrior for an ez glad.
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>Caring about pvp in a pve focused game
lmaoing @ ur life. go play dota or league instead
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>>334329931
I'm not saying the TBC meta is the spitome of wow PvP. i'm saying that is impossible to prevent metas for existing and any attempt of it is a waste of time. The most that can be done is making the meta the most flexible possible, to the point were every class has at least 1 or 2 viable specs. Welfare epics and hanfouts aren't a solution to anything.
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>PvE isnt a comp stomp pre scripted babby mode fight
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>>334330082
This, but unironically.
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>>334330082
>WoW boomers
>Playing actual competitive games
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>caring about dragonslaying when every boss has been slain already 15 years ago
yeah who's the actual retard
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i didnt kill the boss 15 years ago IDIOT
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>>334330274
The dumbest take ITT so far.
Not gonna make it, buddy.
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>>334330428
nice argument.
but don't worry, I accept your surrender.
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>>334330428
>t. upset dragonkillers
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ANSWER THE QUESTION
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>>334330261
>implying PvP isn't
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WHO ASKED
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>>334329954
I do, i play in a guild with my friends. you should try.
Is everything perfect? No.
There were times when a lost a pice of loot to someone else? Yes.
But that is what makes a MMO fun, playing with other people. The loot matters and that is why we compete for it and keep playing the game. If i got all my BIS in the first month of the game i would probably just raidloged for the rest of it.
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>>334330639
Maybe in your shitty sub 1500 basement dweller bracket
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>>334330784
You will literally never be a gladiator.
You will always be an incel.

No need to reply. I already accepted your defeat.
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>>334330917
>Projecting this hard
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>>334330784
>implying I will play The Burning Changes with TBCucks.

You don't see it do you?
We've already won.
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>>334331152
>Hates TBC because muh changes
>Plays Classic with muh changes
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>>334330232
>The most that can be done is making the meta the most flexible possible
that's the thing though, the meta is purely mana burn and any dps that doesn't have one is actually useless and you NEED to play with a priest as your healer to offset that outside of maybe warrior/druid in 2s. if you're a healer that's not a priest then you have to find a warlock or hunter and the hunter mana burn is so easily counterable with a single dispel that it barely counts and the only thing it has going for it is some meager dispel protection. it's not like priest or warlock where you can spam it after you get a fear off.

no paladin spec is that good either, paladin is like shaman in that it only has 2345 going for it until you can stack BT shadow resist gear off pieces with shadow resist aura to resist mana burns. you can make the case that both can play double healer warrior in 3s but good luck against rmp or a double sl/sl warlock team. anyone who has played bc arena knows how fucking awful and comp dependent it is as you climb higher so this change that effectively removes most of the casuals on top of creating a gear disparity is perhaps the dumbest fucking possible change they could make for the first season. at least in season 2 onward you have the shadow resist gear you can choose to use as a healer to mitigate mana burn comps if you're feeling cheeky. like rejuv gem is an actual god tier healer pvp trinket in arena because of the mp/5 on it helping give you mana, it's fucking stupid.
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RIP WARMANE LMAO
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>>334331253
tbc is retail lite at this point and it WILL launch with tokens
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>>334331253
We accept your surrender.
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>>334328297
trannies how trannies does trannies this trannies fucking trannies troon trannies have trannies over trannies 1k trannies viewers trannies ??
btw, obsessed
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>>334331779
I want to lick her shaft.
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The absolute STATE of cl*assicucks
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>Giving money to Blizzard
>Giving money to a man providing for his family

Imagine playing The burning cuckoldery.
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>>334331441
Using casuals that want a easy epic weapon isn't the solution for that. Inflating the PvP brackets may allow for more people to get higher ranks but it won't change the mana burn meta. People on no-meta specs also don't have to go all or nothing on season 1, they can wait the other season when there is more gear avaiable and there is more flexibility.
Ideally blizzard would try to change the PVP meta on each new season so everyone can have they time to shine, given that they are skilled enough. That said, no one trust blizzard enough to change the balance of the game and they don't seem to have any interest on it, so there isn't much that anyone can do.
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>>334332384
the one benefit of the casuals flooding the ladder is that you can play your wacky off meta specs for longer before you hit the wall of tryhards who refuse to play anything but meta comps. it truly takes the fun out of the game, and there were some super crazy dumb wacky burst comps that would show up in the mid tier brackets like 5 dps in 5v5 because of people just running whatever the hell they wanted for points. the other big change is that the teams now start at 0 so the casuals can't make a brand new team to start at 1500 again if they lose 10 in a row the previous week so the ladder is going to look so incredibly different that it quite literally is not the same game.

like you said, the meta will probably stay the same throughout other than shadow resist memes and 4/4 for rogues in sunwell making rmp even more oppressive. the only flexibility that is going to appear over time is when other specs start to completely and utterly outgear others they play against with things like trinkets and certain weapons like crystal spire for low rank heals or black bow of the betrayer for the extra mana burn. it would definitely be nice if blizzard were to do something to shake up the meta like what happened during the real tbc but even on retail they've barely touched the meta outside of hitting sub rogue a few time these past 6 months and if the current changes are any indication the less they change the better.
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TBC pvp is really bad on the beta unless you're a glad.

Rogues are way stronger than they were in actual TBC because people are way better now + modern arena addons. They're an absolute godclass now, and it's not fun to fight against them at all.

Warlocks are also an incredible oppressor of meme specs. They dot dot dot you and next thing you know you're dead. They eat all your buffs and take no damage.

PVP participation is going to be shit. Gladiator rogues and Warlocks are going to sell carries and ruin the entire ladder. No one will be playing PVP within a month besides glad sells.
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A couple months into TBC we are going to be begging for the timewalking versions of the raids/dungeons over what we actually get at this rate
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b-but my arenas were going to be the next big thing! How could this happen!?!
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>>334334179
dont see how 1 good player can carry one shitter if the opposite team keybinds spells
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Can't wait for this general to turn into the Fresh waiting room desu.

In 2 months, tops.
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https://youtu.be/gOPQh3ZSP_4?t=1900
Here's ur lifecoach, bro
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>>334334482
i mean until blizzard started shitting out actual doomposts, it kinda already was the fresh waiting room. people are just freaking out rn cuz blizzard confirmed what everyones expected since before TBC was even announced.
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>>334334658
I don't think you understand what Fresh actually means.
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>>334334581
why's he mad
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Is anyone else unsubbing?
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>>334335081
I have NEVER subscribed in the first place
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>>334335081
Depends on what will happen to Classic Era Realms.
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>>334334813
He is "Mad".
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>>334335251
yeah if they dont announce fresh classic servers in the next 6 months, im unsubbing!
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>>334335665
There's literally nothing to do. I don't care about TBC. Even before all the shit they've changed. I only want to play Classic for the RPG and meme elements and Wrath for the nostalgia.
I will keep playing on current Classic servers, but I still need to see if people will actually gather and get rid of the GDKP blight. I'm quitting otherwise.
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>barny64 viewbotting right before TBC to be relevant with cam
>people realizing hes a ugly troon
heh
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>>334336484
I don't even know why he calls himself a tranny. To be a tranny you need to take hormones and he doesn't even do that, hes just a fag in drag.
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>>334336587
theres a word for what you are describing. "troon" trannies hate being called that more than being called a tranner
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>>334336484
has he always been a tranny ? I never got tranny vibes from any of the youtube videos ive seen
I thought the posts in here were trolling at first but i checked his twitter
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finna about to cringe
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>>334336587
>To be a tranny you need to take hormones
are you serious? get up to date on your tranny lore retard, that ain't true.
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>Me stand in one spot and click box.
>Me deserve epic looties.
>WHATTTTTTTTTTTTT? pvp player only need play arena and get gear?
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MUH LOOTIES PRESTIGE.
>MAKE IT SO YOU NEED TO BE TOP 2% IN ARENA TO GET GEAR.
Actual fucking joke having pvp gear locked behind arena rating that is x10000000000000 harder to achieve than your stand in one spot hit 1 ability activity.
All this just to make box clicking cucks feel special about themselves.
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Give me three reasons why cloning Classic characters to TBC realms is a bad idea
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>>334337716
How does it work anyway? Can you dupe gold and items with it by letting everyone in your guild borrow gold cap and high value items before transferring their characters over? Does it even matter when the economy is so fucked to begin with?
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tinyviolin69 is back.
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>>334337716
It loses Blizz potential money
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>>334337716
1. It costs money.
2. You will never play the same character on two separate expansions iterations, especially on an endless P6 Server.
3. You're giving your money to Blizzard for a some service you never asked for.
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>>334338046
nothing matters
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Did you guys know that it turns out Kel'Thuzad was working for the Jailer and The Maw from the very beginning? Arthas had no clue.
Really makes Naxxramas feel different too.
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so all the people who start TBC with 7k gold+, how are people who are just starting supposed to compete for nodes when they've all got epic and we've got normal?
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>>334338498
>How are people who are just starting supposed to compete for nodes when they've all got epic and we've got normal?
You aren't. That's the point.
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>>334338498
fair's fair
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should i play spriest?
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>Entering Outland for the first time
kino
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TBC Boosting for real life money theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28hYUZMufDg
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>so all the people who start TBC with 7k gold+, how are people who are just starting supposed to compete for nodes when they've all got epic and we've got normal?
crying_soijack.png
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Business idea: a guild of Classic purists who only play TBC to gank Blizzboosties in Outlands
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>>334338498
people have way more than 7k, average is probably low end 10k to 60k
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>>334338498
Better call Chang.
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>>334338498
you don't
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>>334339017
average of the 5 try hard faggot chinks you know?
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CHANG IS PREPARED
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>>334339171
You are completely delusional. Literally any one that has played Classic for its entirety should have at least 10k gold.
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WHYBOI YOU BUY GORD NOW 10 DOLLA
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Can’t decide between arms war or enhance shaman as my main in tbc
I want to pvp but also raid...
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>>334339650
arms, there that was easy
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>>334339650
bro have you heard of the retributt paladin? it's liek an arm warrior mixed with a enhancer
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coming back to wowc bros how we lookin I have a lvl 18 warlock getting ready
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>>334339650
If you want to play arena then go arms.
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>>334339650
With the new arena rating requirements on gear, you would be a fool to go enhance
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>all of these cheaters trying to validate their own conscious decision to buy arena boosts
reminder that YOU are the problem
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>Buys arena boosts
Not my problem.
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>hey, remember that change that everyone hated way back in S4?
>yeah, let's go ahead and retroactively apply it to seasons 1-3 as well!
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bros should i just roll on a private server? i have a 60 rog and 55 mage and haven't played in almost a year so i really wanna no life for a couple of months but holy shit retail looks like a joke at this point.
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guys i need motivation to level im currently 26
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>>334343376
stop being a pussy
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>>334299993
Burning Crusade is just a precursor to wotlk classic. I can't wait bros.
>Relics
>2 bonus gem sockets for blacksmithing.
>Bonus ring enchants for enchanting.
I love geeeaaarr
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>>334343560
Z-ZZZOINKS SCOOOOB IT'S A N-N-N-N-NIGGER
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I'm not sure if i agree with the rating requirement change or not but its objectively a nerf to shaman gearing and a buff to mage/rogue/priest/druid gearing.
doesn't mean shams cant get decent rating but they are severely limited in comps, where some classes have a dozen "viable" comps to choose from.
one fun thing about the way it was going to be was we would see a lot of chucklefuck comps and a lot of fun - and with the tornado in nagrand it feels like fun is the goal, right? but with this change we're going to see rmp and rmd after rmp after rmd, repeat repeat.
the casuals will be filtered out, which i get it - its a competitive thing, but if anyone has read a book like "Theory of Fun" they would understand that a game like this NEEDS casuals filling up the rest of the grab-bag.

i feel like blizz understood this at some point.

before someone screeches and pretends to be gladiator god, i have a guild and a group to play with and can make my BS weapon anyhow, im not personally upset by no welfare weapon.
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>>334331152
NOOOOOO THE HECKIN TOWELERINO DOESNT EVEN PLAY CLASSIC

HE EVEN REPORTED MY CHANNEL
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>>334343941
one unfortunate thing about wrath classic is we wouldn't get to re-experience all the bugfuck crazy DK stuff that evolved over the xpac. I didn't play a dk back then but knew people that did and i regret not playing it.
Things like every spec being able to tank and dps, thats bizarre to imagine now. i know they were brought down to earth by end of xpac - pservers have paladins as the gods, not dks - but man they felt op as fuck to fight against early on. However it was a long ass time ago so maybe im fucking retarded.
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>>334308353
>log into banilla eternal
>type /who 1-60
>7 people online
>5 bots
>1 lowbie that had mistaken this for a tbc server
>1 autist who doesn't want to speak to anyone, and does nothing but grind thousands of the same type of mob all day

This is the future of banilla
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>>334346075
mostly accurate but no bots, bots are where the buyers are
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>>334331985
whats wrong with that?
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Should i play Priest or Druid for PVP/PVE ??? I already have priest level 60 with pre biss / t1 pieces but i thinking in using the boost to get druid, who is better?
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Are jewlecrafting items like the rogue panther trinket being timegated? answer me bros
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what should I do with my gnomelock until TBC?
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>>334303447
It's objectively between WotLK and Cata, given that Cata doesn't have talents (or weapon skills, for what it's worth).
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>>334347226
is that the one that gives you +stealth?
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>>334347108
Boost a hunter instead
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>>334347742
hunters shit in the TBC
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stop changing the subject
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>>334347304
petition blizz for dwarf/draenei warlocks
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are hunters or enhance shammy viable in arena? my buddy is sticking with his classic hunter and all I have is a war and a shaman, we want to do 2s.
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>wowhead faggots complaining that the june 1st leak is "too soon"
>nooooo we need a 50 day prepatch so i can level a belferino and a heckin draenei boi to max and gear them up with rank 14 honor gear!!! nooo blizz release tbc in august!!!!!
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>>334347609
Yes
https://tbc.wowhead.com/item=35702/figurine-shadowsong-panther
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>>334314338
They're generally guildless because they got into /pol/ tier arguments with someone who absolutely didn't care and their narcissism couldn't allow them to stop
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>>334348586
i'd rather play prepatch than tbpee
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Where do I find bots to do shit like be a rogue bot in BRD?
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>>334348586
I've seen so many retards say it was an "old" picture left in the launcher... what fucking planet do they live on that an old image could get leaked, let alone even exist in the first place
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so since drums are nerfed, the min-max professions are enchanting (ring enchants) and jewelcrafting (bis gems)?

everything else just makes stuff that you don't need it seems
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>>334314338
>have alt
>poor as fuck
>can't gear it because everyone is doing gdkps
>no guilds are doing alt runs, they're all doing gdkps for aq/naxx
>realize it's not possible to play an alt until TBC comes out
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>>334348698
man my guild filtered a few of those early on and i keep getting reminded of it because once in awhile i'll run into one of them and they are always in some new guild.
Still going at least so that's something but man, being a miserable cunt like that must be exhausting.
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Are Ret Pallies in anyway useful in TBC?
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>>334349059
get full GM/HWL when prepatch comes.

But yeah GL getting pugs that arent GDKP scum.
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>>334349332
Yes they have utility that warrants bringing 1.

Make sure you have a Lionheart Blade.
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I always thought shadowstep looked so fun in burning crusade, was it actually worth speccing into for PVP?
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>>334349332
The give a damage buff aura to party and a 3% crit debuff to the entire raid. You may bring one (1), but no more
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>>334349332
yes but if you bring 2 then you immediately wipe, the guild disbands, and holinka gets re-hired and is now in charge of tbc arena
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>>334349650
No, mobility is useless in pvp
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>>334306016
Exactly, ret can only do this one meme, meme spec
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>>334314338
youre clearly delusional and watch too many late night hosts to have no idea what its like being fresh 60 in current state of community if you think any guild will progress you up to naxx gear this late in the game without paying thousands of gold.
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>>334338308
Why would the Lich King want to help the Legion when Kil'Jaeden wanted the Lich King dead?
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>>334311679
what do you mean, warrior is god tier in icc
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>>334351753
is this bait?
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>>334351898
warriors return to their chad status for all of wrath. the optimal strat to cheese 10man Sarth was a tank, a resto shammy, a feral druid, and seven fury warriors.
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>>334352220
What do you mean they are same only at the end when they get full bis + legendaries are they decent in pve, and still only need to bring one in wotlk for sunder just like TBC.
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>>334352070
No, I'm high and can't figure out how what Kel'Thuzad is saying makes any sense in that picture. I haven't put much thought into Warcraft lore for awhile, though.
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>oh look its the youtuber Barny64 streaming
>didnt know what he looked like
>hes a fat tranny with purple hair
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i want to be a gorilla orcnigger rogue
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>>334351348
>youre clearly delusional
possible?
>watch too many late night hosts
what does that even mean? who the fuck watches tv?
>progress you up to naxx gear this late in the game
yeah, you clearly missed the point but that's ok because you sound like a massive retard. i forgive you.
Why the FUCK are you bothering even attempting to gear up to naxx gear a week or two before pre patch? OBVIOUSLY no one is going to fucking gear you. What the fuck is your retarded problem?
>paying thousands of gold
WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOU DO THIS
what the fuck piece of gear do you fucking need in naxx that you need to survive hellfire?
You realize you're gonna replace everything and leveling will take you a week, right?

here is you
>imaginary problem
>loud screeching
You are sadder than the child groomer /vg/ guilds. Holy fucking shit.
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>>334314338
people like to play alts faggot, there's not enough guilds and not enough guilds that run old raids, and if they do it tends to be GDKP. it's not realistic to expect some randos to put your of the owl geared bot mage into naxx
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>>334354807
and to address your faggotry here not everybody intends to take all of their alts into TBCs or they'd like to at least PVP or raid before the game is over cause odds are we aren't ever getting fresh and this shit is gonna die
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>>334355284
guilds let alts in all the fucking time, why do you think alts are for?
once again, you nerds are ree'ing about a problem about not finding guilds and not being likeable people.
and also once again who the fuck needs naxx gear at this point?
>its not realistic to expect some randos to put your of the owl geared bot mage into naxx
you're the only retard even saying this.

this should be common sense but you stupid: leveling an alt is fine but why the fuck would you bother gearing? there is welfare pvp gear in pre patch. fuck's sake.
no, the literal only option is to buy gold for t2 gear in bwl.
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>>334355430
>they'd like to at least PVP or raid before the game is over
the game IS over. you dumb fuck.
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>>334355430
why wont blizzard do fresh bros?
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You have TEN (10) seconds to think of 1 (ONE) reason why non-raid gear should be soulbound
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>>334313216
This is why you only play arena in the first month of TBC. This is quite literally the only time where you'll actually have fun. You'll be facing many people who just wanted to try out arena or are doing it casually. After exactly one month this will happen:

>everyone will have pretty much figured out best comps
>streamers and youtubers would have made a gajillion videos about how broken rogues and druids are
>you will go from facing a different comp almost every game to seeing the same 3 comps literally every single game
>good players would have already gotten over 2.2K and would start creating new teams in order to boost
>the same situation like in retail will start building up when you have a person going into the arena for the first time meeting only glad geared boosters
>this will even further alienate casual arena players and will even further increase the prevalence of meta comps
>after 2 months you'll be seeing nothing but meta
>boosts will be everywhere and people playing arena for fun will be practically nonexistent
>even those who just do 10 games to get their weekly points will not even bother because they don't need the pvp gear anyway
>content will be steamrolled and people will mass flock to PvE because they don't have to deal with boosters for gear
>TBC will be dead in 3 months

It's not looking good, boys. Not looking good at all.
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>>334352372
>t. didn't actually play wrath
that other guy might not be baiting, but you sure are
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>>334352656
That's WC3 and is early into the Lich King's plan. He was tasked with helping the Legion against his will (Dreadlords put him in a block of ice and said "make zombies or else."). Not to mention making zombies and ruining the existing kingdoms benefits him just as much as the Legion. So he basically played along for a little while until he could have his champion (Arthas) dispose of the Dreadlords for him. Also the Kel'Thuzad retcon in Sneedolands is retarded, feel free to ignore it.
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>>334353215
is he actually trans or just effeminate? if he's mtf he's sure not trying in the fucking slightest.
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>>334355838
>guilds let alts in all the fucking time, why do you think alts are for?
what guilds are running non-gdkp alt runs in may of 2021?
the answer may shock you: none
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>>334358678
Men can never become women, no mater how much they "try". Fuck assmongoloid for posting this fucking tranny's videos and making that mentally ill faggot real life money.
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>>334358678
Trans is a super complicated subject. Between AGPs and all the shit in between, some are just bisexual crossdressers, others are seriously mentally ill (like that one who cut off her own balls at home when she couldn't afford SRS).
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>>334299993
I don't understand the issue, outside of starting at 0, isn't this the same as TBC or am I misremembering?
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>>334359742
i'm not debating if trans women are women, i'm just legitimately not sure if he's trans. he doesn't look, sound, or act like a woman other than long hair. he also used to be way fatter (shame).
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>>334359767
Stop talking about trannies. This is a board for video games. No one cares that you enjoy to watch at men who dress up as women. Kill yourself.
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>>334358795
no one said "alt run". You keep making shit up.
i said guilds let alts in all the time and they fucking do. If your main has been raiding naxx this whole time, guess what: you're geared.
Some are rerolls, some just like to have a healer alt, etc etc. Our guild runs several alts each fucking week because people are burnt the fuck out and i dont blame them.
Again, this is a broken record: your fucking problem is you won't find a fucking guild. That's either because you are a shitty person that guild hops involuntarily, or you're just late to the game in which case see above: its done, wait for tbc or go play runescape.

you're welcome for the free help you schizo faggot.
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>>334359984
Stfu retard no one cares what you say
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>>334360006
>i said guilds let alts in all the time and they fucking do
>Our guild runs several alts each fucking week
lmao no they fucking don't what kind of meds are you (not) on right now? if a guild like that actually exists they probably haven't even killed patchwerk yet.
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>hunter fucks with my party during quest
>gets camped until he gets away
>just as we're about to leave to continue, rogue pops out and attacks me
>kill him
>hunter and rogue both throw their bodies at us and theres no time to eat drink and leave before they show up again
>end up having 4 kills on the rogue and 12 on the hunter before we finally manage to get away
jesus fucking christ why
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>>334351194
its a fun meme tho
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Any word on dual specc in tbc classic?
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>all my friends are nearing level 50 on their tbc alts
>Im held back by my Belf warlock
>apparently I'll only get two weeks of prepatch to level it

I hurt myself today
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>>334360828
do you live in reality?
i swear to christ you retards will screech about how easy naxx is in one breath and then act surprised a guild is letting alts in after running it since naxx launch.
Plenty of guilds are like this too, we aren't special in the slightest. Plus, with the scourge of gdkps which i fucking hate if you can't tell, it means buttloads of geared people take their geared guy to the gdkp run to collect gold and raid with their guild on their up and coming alt. It frees up others to do the same and potentially fills in a spot because mentally stable people are taking breaks right now until tbc.

i'm not even sure why im arguing since you're just going to act like a dumb faggot. if you don't like common sense advice then go ahead and buy gold to get gear you'll replace in nagrand. Dumb weirdo.
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>>334360884
sure they weren't bots? where were you?
some bots fight back and will always attack you once it has you flagged.
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>>334361416
nope they were definitely human
hunter tried to mount up behind a rock, and the rogue charged me (understandable, he was 3 levels above and i was trying to revive someone)
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>>334361416
>>334361514
>where were you
doing the tirion questline up to strat in EPL
hunter killed us while grabbing the hammer, but as soon as we all had it we could focus entirely on camping him
ran to lights hope and we decided to stop
warrior fucked around and aggro'd guards
rogue attacked me while i was reviving him

at first it was fun but then it was just annoying
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>>334361296
I've already spent over $300 buying gold for Naxx GDKPs, this week was $85 alone on a piece of tier gear. Maybe you should stop being a poor loser who can't afford bigboy things.
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>>334359968
check his twitter
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>>334362168
>plays classic wow
>trans
>puts 0 effort into it
>even the decepticons at AGDQ put more effort into pretending to be women than him
why am i fucking surprised? who is he trying to fool? regardless of how much money he makes as a "content creator" his parents have to be absolutely fucking devastated at how their son turned out. trans, no real job, lives at home with them. I feel so bad for his parents.
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Flipping is so shit in classic. Everything has bigass listing prices and the available supplies are low as fuck
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Why rogue is the best (easiest) class to get glad in tbc?
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Is it possible to get the full rank 14 set in pre patch when you use the boost? i wanna boost something but im thinking if is possible to get the full set

i prob wont do it if is not, since i would be lazy to level up in outlands with out gear
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>>334363040
Thats a lot of grind man
Every item requires 30-20 BG marks and shitton of honor
Prepatch will only last for 2 weeks so have fun with the grind
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>>334363040
don't forget that you could use the BG marks to buy a black epic mount when tbc launches, everyone knows the black ones run faster.
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>>334363040
Rank 14 stuff gets replaced quick
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>>334299993
I achieved 2200 3's in wotlk with a warlock playing RLS. Will I be okay?
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>>334363672
Only if you take the belfpill
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>>334362465
you're not wrong but advice that was given to me that helped a fuckload was to look at price variances at different times of day and not just day to day.
last minute raid consumes are something that's an easy flip the supply is low and a big guild raids in the following hour, for example.
you'll also notice "natural" ebb and flows - probably the incorrect terms - for items based on time of day. Using consumes again as an example, prime time will have a fuckload of undercutting where 4am will have practically none, and 1am is often a time when someone wil buy out everything low and re-list.

server specific of course too

im not an expert, like i said just some advice that was given to me that has been invaluable. there is a discord for this shit but discord is for fairies.
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>>334363040
possible yes but wouldn't be worth it and would take pretty much battlegrounds all day every day of the pre patch time period.
get weapons and be done. you can get half the marks now. the other shit will all get replaced fast.
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Is warsong rep grind faster on weekends or the same shit?
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>>334364863
>and 1am is often a time when someone wil buy out everything low and re-list.
major healing potion stacks shot up by 4g from this morning
guess it was this? heres hoping it goes back down later
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>>334365130
maybe!
that same person also told me to track stuff for weeks and thats the only way to really see trends, it takes time. but it really could be, yeah.
i believe healing pots and major mana pots are things hunters bot tribute to sell, so those prices can go hand in hand with how many bots are around. like the copy paste, "bring back robot to ogre home". There was a ban wave last month that nabbed a bunch of tribute bots and major mana pots quadrupled in price overnight.

for flipping on stuff bots list i wouldn't trust it since there's too many of them and they do not sleep, but i say that with no experience with it, just conjecture.
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>>334365450
There's websites that show you historical price fluctuations for whatever realm you're on
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https://clips.twitch.tv/SassyArbitraryPrariedogPRChase-YvRkgGglfcBBh2YT
we are getting tbcc in June confirmed
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>>334307458
Chad Warrior here who got muted 2 months for sticking it inside angry and sad neckbeards twice last year and still raided and got groups and shit.

managed to end up pretty F geared, you can do it it just adds more difficulty.
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>>334367260
I hear "in the coming month." Could be end of May if that's the case.
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>>334367536
I think this + the june 1st leak pretty much confirms it for sure
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>>334367260
so prepatch will last only 2 weeks
I have only 2 weeks to level up my belf to 60
FUCK FUCK FUCK
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>>334367854
That is actually really shitty for blizz to do. Disable the boost for dranei and blood elves but only give two weeks to level up? Guess I'm making a hunter then no way I can grind a pally up to 60 prepatch.
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>>334367996
You should get more exp tho, still, grinding a pally is no joke and I can bet for sure it's gonna take forever with so many people questing around
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should I be alliance or whorde in the TBC?
I have a gnome but I don't like allies, but also shit and piss on leveling
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>>334368669
Horde usually helps new characters way more than the alliance, but it's gonna be full of blood elves
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mages will make a fortune during the prepatch from belfs
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>>334367854
>90% has to wait for the 10%.
>BBBBBUT MUHFUGGING BF PALLYS.
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>>334337661
Nake pvers need 70 parses for chests, 90 for helmets, 97 for weapons, and 99 for shoulders
See how long people play the game
Imagine being at blizzard and thinking competing against robots has the same prestige as playing against players
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>>334299993
>Change the MMR to W*ath MMR system (which is retail's current MMR system)
>You start at 0 rating instead of 1500 (just like retail)
>Slap in retail's diminishing return CD window
>Force rating on gear to kill any fun you might have with alts or on your main if you aren't a PvP tryhard
>Keep in mind that they forced all of retail's current arena systems on TBC to try and revive their dying e-sports sector with TBC's arena (which it won't)
>Changed blacksmith maces to mainhand because the original design wouldn't fit nowadays (just like any non-retail design in their eyes)
>Unironically added an ingame store
>Unapologetically added a store mount
>Undoubtedly going to add le wow token
>Will probably add cheevoos right before launch
This is no longer TBC. This is just a 2007-flavored retail.
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>>334368856
my femgnome isnt cute enough and idk if i want to relevel
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>>334369354

>This is no longer TBC. This is just a 2007-flavored retail.

And you will play it and PAY for it every month paypig
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>>334313216
what if they ban boosting? can that be doable? Just like they trace obvious gold sales and saying nigger and faggot ?
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>>334369805
I won't, I am truly free now.
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They should just go crazy and add durability loss on pvp deaths
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>>334327358
you shouldn't be rewarded for losing senpai.
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Goddamn it I missed the nudes again, are the nudes worth it?
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>>334336587
no that just makes you a man on extraneous hormones? you are mentally ill
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>>334362446
>I feel bad for mentally ill people
no you don't. concern trolling retard
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>>334363040
just going for the two axes so i have a decent duel welding weapon on my shaman.
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>>334371254
nah
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>>334362962
u mirin' brah?
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>>334371254
yes. unless you are poor, then save your money for buying gold
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what's the 4chan server?
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>>334372316
Golemagg but the guild is supposedly dead. Roll on Gehennas horde, trust me
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wow are people really sweaty enough to play such a boring class just for meta
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>>334353215
How did he even get famous? I only know him from his "ZF Horror Stories" but that video somehow got millions of views all of a sudden.
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>>334372316
Whitemane.
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>>334351348
>some raiders losing motivation at this point of the game
>open spots in naxx raid
>taking alts and casuals as long as you got some frost res and are attuned
Idk we've had first timer's in naxx with zg gear and greens getting 5 pieces of t3 in one run.
Any player is better than a missing one. And better to give gear to someone rather than disenchanting.
At this point most raiders already have 90% of the gear they want.
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>tbc not even out yet and fags are already complaining
Amazing. simply amazing
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oh would you look at that incels are seething at barny again
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>>334369858
if they ban boosting they'd probably have to do it on live too but they love boosting for gold on live because it gives them token sales. this anon here >>334357926 is most likely right so just get ready to enjoy arena for a month and if it lasts you longer than that then great. if not at least your expectations for it being shit are already set so you won't be too disappointed.
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>prepatch too short
>won't be able to do naxx with my draenei

JUST
U
S
T
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>>334299993
only the top 2% of players get pvp gear.

instead of just better players get geared faster.

these motherfuckers really hate wow don't they?
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>>334373370
>still raidlogging naxx 2 weeks before prepatch
what causes this mental illness?
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>need to make room for my paladin in character screen
>either delete my level 1 banker with a quirky name or my level 30 summoning alt
Help me decide
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>>334373908
*only the top 2% get a full set of bis pvp gear
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>>334373908
>why can't I lose all games and get the same participation trophy as rank 1
not my problem
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>>334373946
Umm idk.. because it's fun?
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>>334374045
uhhh but they just made the rank 1 titles welfare compared to what they used to be. why not spread the love to the casuals?
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>>334373908
At this point why don't they stick to the original plan of rolling phase 1 without arena? Because apparently they don't want everyone running around with PvP items on phase 1 since it's bis for many classes.
>No arena on P1, let people gear up with T4
>Release T5 and S1 on the same phase, that way parsetrannies won't consider S1 items bis since T5 is available now
>Release S2 along with T6
>Release S3 along with ZA
>Release S4 with Sunwell or shortly after Sunwell
Their original plan as actually decent, but they backed down on it and came up with a more retarded plan, which doesn't surprise me at this point.
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>>334374095
good one dude
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I just found out that they're releasing TBC, thought it would just have stopped at classic. Freaking hate classic wow but I'll get through it for burning crusade! I've been ages for this.
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>>334374214
go beg for free handouts on the Blizzy forums
stupid triple black gorilla nigger
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>>334374517
is it fair that way? the gear is worthless to the casuals and the r1 titles are now worthless to the pvpers since they're common as shit? pretty good way to attempt to make them rare even with that retarded change by making it so no one wants to pvp.
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>tfw wont have time to no life TBC
will wow still be here in 3 years or will most of playerbase 41% themselves as soon as they hit level 30 irl?
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>muh titles
seriously just kill yourself. nobody cares about what you think or do
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At this point I'm starting to believe they're working and "thinking" overtime just to ruin and water down the epicness of TBC and classic as a whole. This can't be real, how the fuck does a multibillion corporation could hire these retards to handle a solved game from 16 years ago goddamn it nigger faggots cocksuckers retards trannies chinks poos japs nips spics wetbacks fucking autists
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asmongold said the titles and mounts should be available to everyone
why can't Blizzard understand that the same loyal subscribers who support the company are the ones who will suffer the most due to these changes
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>>334374624
the pvpers care about them. i guarantee you that they will make a lot of money off server xfers when a central pvp hub server emerges and everyone transfers there like what happened in retail.
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>>334374764
you will never be a gladiator. you WILL buy the boostio so you can ride your giant purple dildo dragon and be allowed to wear shoulders
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>>334374906
why are you crying then if you don't care? Classic ranker andies only care about titles and mounts
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>>334369352
Its because faggot pve dogs crying about having to play 10 games a week to stay competitive while pvpers have had to slog through pve to be bis in pvp since the dawn of time.
Nah I miss mop so much, you just did your pvp, got your gear and were allowed to pisschilling ignore pve while classes were balanced and some of best designed ever.
Shit game and shit community deserves to be milked and to be dead.
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asmongold wipes the blood from his gums on his wall
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>>334374680
>noo let me buy the boostio it's not fair that I have to win games to get rewards what about us casual gamers
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>NOOOOOOOO IM ONLY LOW RATED BECAUSE I DONT HAVE THE BEST PVP GEAR

Damn, we really did get classic.
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>>334374960
I'm not even playing TBC, I'm skipping but this sucks for everyone. Nobody benefits from this not even hardcore players if there's still any.

See you in Wrath, nigger. I will hunt you down faggot.
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>>334375598
there's no hardcore/softcore players, you either are good at arena or you aren't
just fucking play the game dude and stop being shit.
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>>334375598
>Skipping TBC
>Thinks Wrath is not going to be LITERAL RETAIL 2.0
I mean, even if they give us #nochanges Wrath, Wrath by itself is literally retail. So can you imagine how shit it'd be with all the changes disguised under #SomeChanges?
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I want to go back when ranking actually took skill
take me back to the Classic honor system, arena is whack!
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>>334375734
Wrath is kino

>charge in combat
>bladestorm
>75% mortal strike against healers

BASED
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>>334375408
Retail right has a higher mmr ceiling than tbc will ever have and 90% of players cant break 1750.
You disgusting baiting retards are telling me that in s1 deep thunder which is better than s1 equivalent take the same amount of skill to get as 2050?
A fucking mace you make by running around fucking mining and doing 8 piss easy heroics is the same as fucking being top 3% in arena?
What a well designed blizztard system, in good old blizzard fashion promoting more fucking boostios for no reason.
Keep baiting faggot you and no one else here will even finish their 1700 4 set but keep dick riding blizzard and faggot boosted clowns like asmongoloid.
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I will lose all my games and still get gladiator title and the mount and the big boy shoulders
and there's nothing you can do about it, us discord rankers stick together and help each other out.
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>>334375942
>you will never get 4set and rank 1
Not my problem.
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>>334375696
oh there is hardcore players, I was one of them. PLayed 21 hours straight on a few ocassions on classic phase 2.5, not proud but I needed that fix. I can assure you there is hardcore no life players.>>334375734
The thing is I would prefer not to skip but I got into other endeavours and I dropped games so I don't really wanna go back to it and drop what I have going now, I would love to do both but I can't.

Wrath MIGHT BE retail 2.0 but it won't be RETAIL LIVE, just the beggining of the end which is still better than retail. For better or for worse Wrath was peak wow life and popularity.
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>>334375930
>Implying nuBlizz is going to keep 75% mortal strike in
You gotta understand, Mr. Noseberg wants to see the e-sports scene flourish, we can't have 75% reduce healing, please understand, goy!
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can we get Blizzard to change the system so more of us based average gamers can get the s1 4 set? I am getting the sense that you all don't realize how much this will affect (You) as a fellow mediocre 10 games a week player that just wants to get shoulders and the epic sword
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>>334376127
>I am a hardcore Classic ranker
bro. you posted cringe, stop interrupting the adults while we are discussing PvP.
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help me plan my life, so we can say Wrath is coming July 2023 ? or it would be December 2022?
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>i was a hardcore classic player i cant wait for wrath
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>>334376282
played AV for endless hours same with AB and WSG. Even twinked as WARRIOR, don't tell me what to do boomernigger, go talk to your kids, oh right, they don't cuz daddy is cringe and 50 pounds overweight.
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>>334376127
>For better or for worse Wrath was peak wow life and popularity.
Wrong, that was TBC
>Inb4 sub numbers
I am talking about game design, don't care about all the normalfags who started playing in wrath because le lich king cool!!!!!!! and boosted the sub numbers.
Too bad we won't even get that version of TBC, because the kikes at nuBlizz pushed it too far with their #SomeChangesBTW policy.
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>>334299993
Great change.
I love seeing pve shitters crying, can't wait to gank them on my male undead rogue wearing the shoulders.
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>played AV for endless hours same with AB and WSG. Even twinked as WARRIOR, don't tell me what to do boomernigger, go talk to your kids, oh right, they don't cuz daddy is cringe and 50 pounds overweight
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I am only going to buy a boost for S3, I am not about to pay real money to wear items I wore for free back when I was 14 years old, no thanks.
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>>334376439
nobody is getting the shoulders or rank 1. even the hardcore players (like me) are outraged over this. I have multiple rank 14 titles and might of menethil on my ret Paladin
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>>334376493
I think that guy's an officer of <wife aggro>
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>>334376594
why not?
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Blood elves are the only race where it's acceptable to play as different gender than you're irl. Whoever plays male blood elf is a raging faggot with full blown AIDS.
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>>334376695
because of the insane time investment it would take to reach such a high rank
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>>334376594
kys Tel
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Blizzard is retarded. You all act suprised
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>>334376728
Calm it with the projection, faglord.
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>>334376834
you will never be a gladiator like reckful
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the thing is HOW CAN THEY BE SO RETARDED THEY HAVE ALL THE RESOURCES ALL THE DATA EVERYTHING WHY CAN'T THEY KNOW HIRE 3 AUTIST FANS TO HANDLE THE GAME GODDAMN IT.
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can we talk about how dumb Blizzard is for going through with this change nobody asked for? I don't know about you but I am outraged as h*ck
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>>334376728
Male Belf demon hunters were bis
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>>334376870
but reckfuls dead????/
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>muh arena gear isn’t attainable
Just don’t suck and play a meta comp you retarded trooners
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they would never have done this had they asked the hardcore PvP community about this beforehand. I have ranked before and know what it's like to run premades, so take it from me this will ruin TBC Classic
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let's settle a price for season 1 infernal gladiator boost? My bet is some retards will pay a grand usd to get that.
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the good thing is, that infront of the most dungeons, there are no-flying zones. they are small but people still have to walk manually to them.
>arena ruined buy meta
>world pvp destoyed by flying
i am still camping the entrances in auchindon. you look 30min+ for a healer and when he finaly arives i make sure you all come out again to rezz him.
reminder that all players are shit and its your job to make them quit the game. yeah, i know i am doing gods work
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>>334377026
just because I lose all my games doesn't mean I suck and shouldn't be able to attain the title and PvP rewards like everyone else. there's many factors that decide your standing beyond just 'lol git gud' and that is why so many people are going to stop playing over this change to how arena was implemented originally—which already worked totally fine by the way. way to ruin your game once again Blizzard!
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>>334377247
I can only hope we will see the autism unleashed phase 1.5 had and phase 4 with the debuff wars.
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>>334377218
do you really think anyone will care about gladiator title after Blizzard has shown us they don't give a damn about the competitive PvP scene by adding all these nu-wow changes? TBCC is already dead in the water and this was just the final icing on the cake
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>>334376734
That's a good point. 2500 was rank 1 worthy back then so it's a pretty big grind even for 2200.
https://web.archive.org/web/20071028164355/http://eu.wowarmory.com:80/arena-ladder.xml?b=Cyclone&ts=3
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>>334377239
Based
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>>334377440
come on man, you know these people are retards, I saw HUGE AUTISM just to get the scarab mount, people even paying others to grind with them don't tell me they won't repeat it here just to get a different Gladiator title.
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>>334377453
it's not just hard it's impossible. why make rewards that were easily accessible to everyone, so exclusive that nobody gets to use them? especially with how vital resilience is in PvP, this will completely kill off the arena scene
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>>334377239
this guy isn't trying hard enough, come on show us some skin ? at least put on makeup for fucks sake. I mean you really want us to call you a woman if you don't even slice open your dick.. that's just pathetic if you ask me.
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Personally I'm loving the arena gear change. I say bring it on!
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>>334377670
why do you hate fun? everyone should have equal ranking and gear prestige so long as they are trying their best and putting in the work.
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>>334300847
I love the old way the numbers show up with the high definition font.
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I guess brown is giga buffed with these pvp changes.
Gonna be a lot of mad cunts that warrior bis is deep thunder s1, stormherald s2 s3.
Unlucky non brown rats unlucky.
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no changes okay? just changes for the shop but gameplay should stay the same
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>imagine if they removed dungeon finder from Wrath classic
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>>334378035
beyond based
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>>334378035
sorry no changes. you wanted Classic that's what you get
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>>334303447
Wrath is guaranteed, Cata is the expansion where we'll see how it goes. If we get Cata then MoP is almost guaranteed, don't know about WoD but if we get WoD then Legion is guaranteed, BFA and shadowlands, probably not.
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>>334378035
we will be lucky if they dont add raid finder for wrath of the tranny king
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>>334339017
I have 4 60s, full bis on one of them and have 1k gold
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>>334378118
unpopular opinion but Shadowlands had some good content. I wouldn't mind checking it out if it ever released on Classic.
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>>334378118
NOooo!!! Not my shadowlanderino!!1
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>>334378159
>1k
>Thinks his soon to be in the trash naxx gear means anything.
Never gonna make it.
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good luck finding an arena team if you don't have rank 14 title. it's not too late to get it now before prepatch hits.
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>>334378118
if we get MoP we get WoD, they literally end on a cliffhanger and continue with WoD shit story.
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>>334378381
WoW has a story??
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>>334378159
At best your gear will help you survive an extra 3 seconds in Hellfire Peninsula. You need 50k for TBC minimum.
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if you don't have black bug mount you're not getting in my rank 1 team. stay in your lane shitter casual
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is there a macro i can use to click my fishing bobber?
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>>334378462
you'll never make it into Chang's ramparts boost if you have less than 12k HP unbuffed. there's a reason Illidan says we are not PREPPED for his expansion!
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>>334378583
Is that all you care about you retarded fuck
I guess I know why you fish now, because you have the brain of a fucking fish.
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>>334378695
what
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>>334378730
you will never be a woman
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>>334378730
There are more important things at hand than a macro for clicking YOUR FUCKING FISHING BOBBER
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>>334378751
who are you talking to
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>>334378824
you are mentally ill, freak
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>it's another episode of the autist schizo insulting himself samefagging.
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>>334378793
like what
>>334378849
ok
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>>334378882
who are you quoting?
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tips to farm gold? i tried the mara farm 3x rn and died to the princess 3x, got her to 30% in the last try but cant kill her, so i dont think the mara farm works for my PRIEST

what more can i do to get gold? just want at least 2-3k gold to start TBC
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>>334379001
>only 2k gold for PREP
ngmi.
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is there anything more cringe than rolling a resto shaman in tbc because you are too much of a shitter to get raid spot with anything else? i think not. i'm glad there are cucks willing to do it so the rest of us can have fun
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>>334379070
healing is fun though
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>>334378937
Like I don't know, nuBlizz BUTCHERING TBC AND TURNING IT INTO LITERAL RETAIL WITH 2007 FLAVOR?
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>>334379070
>pressing stormstrike = fun
>pressing chain heal = BORING
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>>334379001
do every raid, try to find gdkps, farm materiel for professions, try and fish important fishes, farm twink BoE's there will be demand from new race twinks.
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>>334378035
The more expansion they go through the more changes I want. Hell even removing flying mounts from tbc would be a step in the right direction.
I like the road of death to Molten core and Blackwing lair.
So far I'm happy with the changes to PvP and drums but the Boost and mount, not so much.
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>>334379105
i don't care lol. give me a fishing macro
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>>334379105
I can't believe it? why would they do this. they should have taken the community feedback and given us #somechanges with changes we want but not the ones we don't want!
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I can't wait to see all the griefing exploits people will find and how fast these blizzard niggers wi
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>>334378187
We've not even had the first patch of Shadowlands yet.
>>334379008
For PvP?
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>>334379171
why would you want them to turn TBC arena into retail? having to win games to get rewards is some nu-esports garbage that doesn't belong in Classic.
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>>334379171
>I'm happy with the changes to PvP
>but the Boost not so much.
literally 'it's ok when chang sells boosts but it's not ok when blizzard does it'
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>>334379179
FUCK OFF
>>334379203
Literally the only changes that were acceptable were Seal of Blood for alliancetroons and maybe drums
Anything else is blatant butchering
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>>334379098
it's fun of druid and COH priest, not when all you do is spam 1 button, press your big boy button when told to and have to spend 50% of your gcds on repositioning totems so C(O)Had can pump big numbers
>>334379118
enhancement is second most cucked spec in the game
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>>334379359
the thing is chang boosts imply a social interaction, blizzard selling it only implies a transaction also you cannot laugh or flame chang or even just mock him. Blizzard also receiving money is a problem, they're a shit company and they need to go bankrupt.
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>play on a high population meme server at the end of classic cos the rest are dead
>queue for 10 hours for weeks as soon as BC comes out
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>>334379382
druid and priest are my two mains so gg
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>>334379442
the boosters are bots. but if that's the only social interaction you get you have bigger problems than a two-decade-old high budget EQ clone
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>>334379442
This, atleast Chang's boosts are initiated by the community, unlike the soulless transaction nuBlizz is proposing
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>>334379359
>'it's ok when chang sells boosts but it's not ok when blizzard does it'
Yes.
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>>334379558
nice projection.
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>>334379564
the community is welcoming the boostio with open arms? nobody says gold selling is good for the game
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>>334379537
queues on launch night are gonna be legendary.
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until they roll back the some changes I will not queue arena. you can't make me play the game
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>>334379769
Guess I have to sub early to beat the inevitable lockouts
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>>334379359
Chang is still going to sell boosts from 58-70 so now we have even less interactions than we had before. Also if Changs gold bots get banned he'll just buy boosts instead of wasting time on leveling.
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>>334379549
patrician choices
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>>334379891
stop blaming a corporation for your lack of daily social interaction, fucking sperg.
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I will consume the rating boostio. I didn't want to do this but you forced my hand Blizzard with these some changes.
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Respect the WARCHUD
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can you level from 0 to 60 in 2 weeks?
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>>334379979
>NOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST ENJOY INTERACTING WITH PEOPLE OUTSIDE AND INSIDE THE GAME!!! YOU MUST DESPISE PEOPLE LIKE I DO!
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>>334380212
3 days is average, maybe a week if it's your first character.
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>>334380212
with tbc exp?
yeah.
Without tbc exp?
Yeah but you'll need to sink 3-5 days worth of time.
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>>334380190
based and orcishpilled.
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>>334380125
Close, but no cigar. This isn't vanilla, as a sub rogue you don't need to waste 3 points in Gouge as you won't be using it much. You'll be behind people 90% of the time thanks Shadowstep, CoS along with Vanish, Sprint etc
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>>334380224
fuck off failed normie. go talk to your mom or something
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Imagine actually reading any changes or shit, imma just lead my raid into sw then blasted lands, get ready corpse run allycucks
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>>334380435
they ruined TBC, you can't have fun anymore.
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>>334380190
One question, why waste 3 points on Improved Sunder Armor? It just reduce its rage, and as a prot warr with Devastate, you won't be using the regular Sunder Armor. These 3 points only reduce the rage of Sunder Armor, not Devastate since those are different abilities.
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please blizzard add durability loss on pvp deaths, the salt will be legendary.
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>>334380483
>t. Zoomer
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>>334380840
>she plays a green nigger because she hopes other players will pick blood elves so she out dps them by 0,41%
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>Tfw I won't be getting this on my warrior
Literally unfair
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>>334377923
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>>334380493
So I can put 5 sunder armors faster little dpsissy.
Because of your INSULT towards my person I'll add another 5 GCDs for you to wait.
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>>334380986
>HE plays a green NIGGER because HE is a nigger IRL
ftfy.
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>>334380986
>>334381396
>he plays an alliancetranny because he is a tranny IRL
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>>334381194
s2 will remove rating reqs from s1.
Idk the biggest fucking issue is finding someone to spam a lot of arena with that has the same goals of improving and climbing.
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>>334381535
It's not the same when you get it when it's no longer current
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>>334380986
>She plays TBC
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>>334381624
Then fucking grind it monkey and play to improve, stop being a self defeated cuck as I said the only hard challange is finding someone around your own skill level that wants to grind it with you and improve as well.
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>>334378258
>>334378462
im the maintank of my guild, my guildies will carry me through gear
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>>334381709
That's literally my problem, retard. Everyone is expecting everyone to be a literal god who will carry them through their mistakes.
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>>334381709
>dumb nigger can't even spell challenge
Guess it was to challenging for you.
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>>334381535
my goal is the title and the mount retard. I don't care about your esports cancer
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>>334381709
why do I have to spend years learning my class when there's private server freaks that have been grinding out arena for the last 20 years? give me a break, I just want to enjoy the game and get cool shit
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>>334381953
my recommendation: befriend people now. I'm adding 1 resto druid a day to my friends list
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>>334331441
Yep drain comps will be king, you can see it manifesting itself yesterday when more res items were put on the beta vendor and people were hitting 300ish res.
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I just dilated.
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>>334382546
you are a real woman
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>>334382212
this is very mean and dishonest you know you arent talking about the point anymore you are just bullying someone for having bad english or just mistyping once maybe
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did Esfand become a GTARP streamer? guess TBC really is dead when even the biggest Classic shill doesn't care anymore
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>>334382676
you are an ESL your opinion is discarted. come back when you are American
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Cant wait to kill all you whiny sissys in wpvp
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>>334382813
what wpvp?
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>>334382813
>t. big guy with 1400 rating 5s team
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>>334382863
On launchdays
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>>334382940
you'll be lucky to get in before the streamers have cleared all the phase 1 content
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>>334382229
>my goal is the title and the mount retard. I don't care about your esports cancer
Never gonna make it, esports tryhards will always be better than some cuck chasing a mountio.
Nothing worse than mount chasing bugman.
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>>334382808
i am english mate i literally came up with this FUCKING language
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What a fucking cucked subreddit hahahaha
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>>334382447
>OHHH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THE 100 FUCKING PSERVER PLAYERS WILL STOP ME FROM GETTING 1600.
kys unironically
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>>334382863
you're gonna have to grind something and then we will get you. Those motes and nodes will be your doom and gloom.
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>>334379968
ill also be leveling a draenei paladin.
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>>334383359
spotted the private server rat, it wasn't enough that you ruined Classic you have to ruin TBC too
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anyone got a macro which i can use to click on my fishing bobber?
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>>334383853
send a DM to Finalflash, tell him I sent you.
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>>334383915
sent ;)
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>>334383831
>THE FUCKING PRIVATE SERVER RATS KILLED CLASSIC
Buys chang gold.
>THE FUCKING PRIVATE SERVER RATS NOOO IT WAS THEM THAT DID IT
Participates in gdkps with bought gold.
>FUCK YOU PSERVER NIGGERS
Gets boosted by chang.
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>>334382702
What do you expect? Rets been exposed as the biggest trash can in Bc by far.
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>>334384082
>Rets been exposed as the biggest trash can
If ya didn't know by 2007 you're a retard.
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golden pearls sell or save
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chang took my baby money...
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>>334384220
It's gonna be fun to see how fucked the economy will get on the classic era realms.

You should sell everything now. Prices will crash before pre-patch.
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>>334384082
>>334384183
https://streamable.com/ugmsn9
Look at ret cuck cope.
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Esfand's career took a real nosedive when his fake mail order gf emasculated his manhood live in front of a very sizeable audience!

luckily /ourguy/ is just in time to return and reclaim his rightful throne to the TOP!
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>>334384443
I can't wait to re-do this image lmao
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>>334384443
What are the chances he gets glad?
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i actually miss alexensual
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>>334384660
Depends how hard chinks sell boosties unironically.
Very rarely "variety"/"personality" streamers get glad, even in retail and even before boosts became a mainstay.
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>>334384660
Unfortunately he played with cdew and did decently just zug zuging with wings.
Asmongloid is another rat that plays as bad as 1600 but gets boosted to glad by rank 1s.
>DOOOD I CANT SEE THORNS DOOOD TIME TO DPS THOROUGH THEM.
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>>334382546
Based
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>>334384629
if ret didn't need arena rating to purchase gear would that solve the PvP imbalance problem?
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>>334384443
is this guy the reason they made the changes to arena? twitch is evidently a powerful lobby group for developers and publishers it seems.
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>>334384947
No, but if ret was removed from the game I'd say the game would be improved.
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>>334384918
transgenderism was a mistake. girls cutting their penises off is unnatural and sick.
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America was a mistake.
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>>334385381
*capitalism was a mistake
ftfy
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>>334385050
what changes, didn't they have rating requirements from s3 and onward? since we are getting 2.4.3 it makes sense that it works the way it did on that patch. we didn't get progressive itemization in Classic either so why are people acting like this is unexpected
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>>334384918
"Doctors" only do these surgeries because it makes an absolute ton of money
They would probably be considered malpractice if it was cheap
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>>334385050
Esfand is somehow worse than fucking asmongoloid and we are talking about a bitch that complains about not being able to see thorns which in retail reflects physical dmg as %hp on the attacker.
Refuses to get addons for pvp such as seeing buffs/debuffs on players, refuses to focus macro, refuses to improve, still gets carried to glad by R1 fanboys.
This game is so pathetic.
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>>334385521
at least capitalism works, just redistribute 90% of the wealth from the 1% to the rest of the 99%
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>>334385521
Jews, Jesuits and Freemasons were a mistake.
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>>334385637
>redistribution
then that's not capitalism. capitalism doesn't work because its only concern is profit. profit is the surplus value gained from exploiting peoples' wage labour. you are suggesting a shift from private ownership to public ownership or socialising the private sector whereby the workers' would thus own the modes of distribution and production.
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>>334385626
Asmongoloid is garbage, but sometimes (SOMETIMES) he tries.
Esfaggot is the king retnigger and like all retniggers, he doesn't even try.
He was also bottom of the meters and spent 90% of the fights dead in retail, even fights like n'zoth which are comically simple (literally follow-the-pack: the fight).
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>>334385840
quiet chud
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>>334385898
no that would be communism. I'm for social safety, equal wages and affordable education not a marxist. fuck off with your radical utopian system it doesn't work and never will
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>>334385981
you will never be a woman.
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>>334385962
>During classic, RETS WILL BE GOOD IN TBC I SWEAR.
>During tbc, RETS WILL BE GOOD IN WRATH I SWEAR.
>Wrath rolls up, brown is king and pallys are still heal cucks.
RETards are in for another surprise in 2 years, wonder what the cope will be then.
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anglo wasps were the mistake.
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estimated Wrath date?
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>>334386072
>no that would be communism.
im well aware, hence it's a based idea.
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>>334386158
Retoid is only good in wrath and that's about it.
And even in wrath they're the negative IQ spec that rivals fucking arcane mage (in the one patch they got broken).
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bros i wish i was warlock or huntard, my friend farms 50-100GPH spamming maraudon while i stay poor doing nothing because im dumb

fuck i want easy gold too you know D:
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>>334386271
>in the one patch they got broken
Unlucky for them, 3.3.5a is the only patch we will see. They will massively cry for progressive patches just like muh seal of blood.
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>>334386260
kill yourself jesuit scum.
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>>334386404
isn't it past your bedtime
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>>334358318
Except I did play Wotlk and private servers for 5+ years with several fresh. Warriors are utter shit 99% of the expansion until finally on LK HC they can pad their numbers enough to look decent with their bis + shadowmourne by cleaving useless ghouls on phase 1 LK HC. I know this because I actually have a bis warrior with shadowmourne. I can't tell this is bait or cope but your time is up brownie unless you are GM or at least officer that will get legendaries reserved for them you will do complete shit dps for both expansions and its not worth copying your war over to TBC just go warlock.
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>>334385158
>girls cutting their penises off is unnatural and sick
>girls cutting their penises
>their penises
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>>334386358
What the fuck, history repeats itself and nothing ever changes.
Honestly if I had a time machine travelled back 2000 years and ended up back in 2021 I wouldn't even be surprised.
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>>334386341
I meant arcane.
Let me tell you a secret.
Ret is only good in wrath because of divine storm being fucking stupid in pvp, in pve they're alright because they take no brain to use so you can just slam your buttons and pump, but you know what?
In pvp AND pve holy and even fucking prot are better than retniggers can ever hope to be.
Prot paladin will never, ever die in pve and only bear druid is near his level, browny tanks deal retard amounts of dps and holy-prot in pvp are fucking gods of never dying.
Also to add insult to injury, brownies are better dps in pvp and pve because ArP is the dumbest fucking stat.
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>>334386516
Fuck off ERP tranny
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>>334385898
Profit isn' t only gained from exploitation anon, and it is not the core problem of capitalism, and those that are are nowhere near the level of fundamental problems of socialism
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>>334386524
dilate tranny
you will never be a woman
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>>334386643
COPE BROWNIE
YOU WILL USE SUNDER FOR YOUR FIRST 5 GLOBALS!
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All the niggers are active at this time, time to hit the guitar and comeback later.

>faggots
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>>334385621
>look at the amount of americucks that get cut their foreskin off beside being dirt chep
yeah no you guys are just mentally ill
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>>334386656
>Profit isn't only gained from exploitation
absolute lie. the machinations of a capitalist production model require an underclass in order to generate wealth which also generally involves the consolidation of raw materials, tools and human capital. it is just not a fundamental flaw of capitalism, it is capitalism. an oligarch consolidates power through the seizing of wealth and materials, defining the very mode of production within the subset of civilisation, funnelling these forces through the distribution instruments, also owned by the ruling class, characterising the society in which it exists.
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>>334386973
foreskin is big business for the cosmetics industry
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>>334387049
Stop moving the goal post mutt you claimed doctors would call something malpractice if the practice wasnt expensive, i demonstrated how it wasnt the case
Your country is just mentally ill just move on pretend to be white
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>>334387193
i live in the UK and my foreskin has never been defiled by doctors
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>>334387193
>>334387282
based
I bet most of the people that buy chang gold are NA niggers too
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>>334386358
fuck i love socialist realism
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>>334386358
>you realize basedjak based posting is older than thosand years old
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How do we defeat the NA nigger and the yellow batshit eating bugman?
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>>334373260
he used to be a league of legends youtuber sround tbe same time as dunkey and used to be called keyori he was always a giant fag and im not sure why people ever liked him
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>>334386978
Ok, how then a succesfull individual worker obtains his profit?
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>>334388523
>>334388523
>>334388523
>>334388523
>>334388523
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>>334388136
if they're conditioned by the system, they'll appropriate the elitists' mental paradigm by becoming petite bourgeois, a subset of the working class which employ fellow members of the working class and exploit their labour for their own short term benefit. this doesn't make them bourgeois as they're still working class, they've simply adopted the mindset of the elite and act accordingly to their conditioning through consumerism, superficial political engagement (elections, democracy, free speech, nationalism/patriotism), career ambitions, neoliberal higher education and so forth. they merely belong in the petite bourgeois array due to their confinement within the mode of distribution, having little to absolutely no effect within the modes of production ie the accumulation of raw materials and the creation of tools. modern neoliberal economies are majority made up of a service sector, with manufacturing outsourced to foreign countries (often poorer and more corrupt). this economic design is intentional as it maintains the status quo for the elite, coercing the working the class into limited consumerist patterns, jobs and experiences. so while the working class may have the illusion of becoming "successful" as a petite bourgeois under capitalism, they are simply a product of their own conditioning, sustaining the stranglehold of the ruling class over the proletariat.
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>>334380336
you dont take imp gouge so you can "get behind" people,
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>>334347546
Cata does have talents, talent trees get shafted in MOP.



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