Tactics Ogre threadIs it possible to complete PotD at lv40? The item sync looks like a shitshow
By far the easiest jobs for PotD are Warrior and Machinist.
I just beat Qadriga Fortress thanks to anon help , should I be grinding weapon skill to max for my level? When do I get finishing moves?
Reminder that w*llis*er aren't people, so it is perfectly okay to massacre them.
>>619177026finishing moves are at lvl 10 weapon skilldon't bother grinding weapon skill as it's extremely easy to stay at cap just from doing plot required maps
>battle against Brantyn>one objective is "no incapacitations" >some-fucking-how, when he has a huge MP battery and can spam wisplight every turnAt least he can only kill one unit per turn...
>triangle strategy was kinda disappointing>a remake of a remake is $49>cheapest key is $42tell me SRPG bros is it worth it?
>>619176939Wrong game numbnuts
>>619177539pirate it and see it for yourselfthe game doesn't have DRM so you can try it, the game is not for everyone but it's a blast for those who like the genre, it and FFT are still the undisputed kings of japanese strategy/tactics games IMO
So where do I get necromancy and draconic magic? Why does every mage I recruit that has some of these spells lose them when joining me?
>>619178346>Why does every mage I recruit that has some of these spells lose them when joining me?Shit design.They're available in Palace of the Dead after union level 40.
>>619177539It's surprisingly good.There's some optional stuff, but it's not full blown autism like Disgaea.
>>619178346PotD floor 22But only after Heim, if you rush and manage to get there before Heim the shop is basically empty
>He-man reference and implied rape.Man, the original Tactics Ogre was pure soulful kino.
>game is announced and it looks like they removed all the awful shit from the PSP>they just replaced it with even worse shitSE doing what SE does.
>>619178575No mod the sprites to gangbang her.
>>619178640The fuck are you talking about? Have you even played the new version?
>>619178640The only bad thing is the level cap and not having an option to remove it
>>619179235The level cap is just the start. You'll find out how bad it is once you start doing CODA stuff.
>>619178575>mind controlNah, I prefer the new version.
>>619179496>Not liking mind controlSoulless
>>619179478I have this sneaking suspicion I'm not going to care all that much.
>>619179532If you dislike the level cap you'll loathe item sync.
>>619178479Guess I'm doing Heim when I get home. This game sure loves to waste your time with pointless bloat. Thank you, God, one true source of happiness, for Cheat Engine.
>>619179729Not him, I don't really care about the level cap.If it had been implemented as a soft cap by tweaking exp gain values none of you fucks would be bitching about it even though it would functionally be the same.
Does the buff to offensive magic tied to weapon skills stack? i.e is it beneficial to have a cudgel and spellbook skill on at the same time if the unit's just using a cudgel?
>>619179825Whoa, it's almost like how something is implemented matters. Imagine that.
>Damascus spear range is 1-2>+1 range is 2-3why are they like this
>>619177539it depends on why you did not like triangle strategy
Its sad how spear literally mog every other melee weapon.
>>619180695It was true in real life as well frogfag
I'm still in chapter 3 but hearing all this about potd is stressing me out. that's what ended up making me quit when I was playing the psp version too.
>>619180761By the power of Blue Skull!
>conserve MP paradigm shift lord denamholy shit
>>619181541Sounds cool. I was just gonna go with some generic setup like speedstar/conserve MP/meditate/lament of the dead.
does max mp actually matter when you start at 0 every time?
>+20 weapon level from accessory>still doesn't outdo the damage boost I get from the 10 strength ringAlso where's Accessories 3? I've done all six of the shrines
>>619181968Yes, because you can make consumables that restore 10% HP/MP, and a higher cap makes it go further.
>Spear Lord Denam with Berserk, Sanguine Assault, Speedstar and Instill LightI have found my calling
>>619182160How does spear work with berserk? Do you hit 2 spaces in each direction?
>>619182308Yes, you could theoretically hit 10 units at once.
>>6191823082 spaces in your general direction and 1 space around you.
>>619180621there was a lot of dialogue in-between battles and the plot wasn't the really that great to justify it. Luv'd me tactics and advance tactics though. Also luv me disgaea and itemworld autism
>he said the thing!!
Do you keep loot when you retreat? I'm about to just keep rerolling the flood dragon on floor 8, I've been at this shit for days
>>619182061so am I fucking myself over by leaving denam as the starting class until I unlock lord? I've just been using him to run in and mighty impact things to death.
>>619182441Anyone who likes the writing in Tactics owes it to themselves to play TO, I'd say.
>>619183617well I guess it's time to throw wood in the stove, get me favorite drink, and throw tactics ogre on the ol deck.
>>619183354Nah, the difference in growths is pretty miniscule and you'll easily be able to do whatever you want with stat charms in the late game. Do what you want, a character gets the majority of their stats from their current class rather than their base stats. Don't be afraid to swap around and experiment, either, since you don't need to grind every class up from 1 and weapon skills are easy enough to raise.
>>619176764Where is the ogre from tactics ogre?
>>619183804Have fun, m8. It's the predecessor to FFT in terms of both gameplay and writing. While FFT was about the War of the Roses, Let Us Cling Together was about the Yugoslav Wars, and it doesn't shy away from the war crimes.For maximum enjoyment don't look up a guide for the story choices, just follow your heart.
Man I really like that elemental spells give a minor elemental res debuff to your enemies, but this only encourages giving all your caster a singular element and exploit the shit out of your enemies, and most of the time its dark spells because they're the most accessible to the strongest casters late game.
>>619182441play Brigandine thenthe old one
>>619179235level cap is actually good thing but badly implemented
>mfw i keep thinking the flying folks take extra damage from arrows in this game
>>619184083I always end up being a lawful faggot whenever I follow my heart.
>>619184856>tfw no LWA SRPG
>>619185596>tfw no LWA anything
>>619185795at least trigger is still doing well as a studio, there's still hope
retard here, I hired a new unit and it started at level 1 and did absolutely no damage.how do I level up them before the fight? or do I just have to babysit them through the missions?
>>619184575>most of the time its dark spells because they're the most accessible to the strongest casters late game.Shamans can't change their element so they certainly won't be using any dark spells.
>>619182346>>619182358You sure? I just tried it and it ignores spear range.
>>619182441Id say Tactics Ogre has some of the most obnoxious gameplay ive played in a TBS, but the rest of the game is kino when you arent playing it. The remake definitely turned it from "pretty awful" to "not bad" in terms of gameplay though, so definitely worth picking up if you want something story dense but not paced like a glacier like TS wasOverall I enjoyed the gameplay of TS more however
>>619187304>The remake definitely turned it from "pretty awful" to "not bad" in terms of gameplayOnly if you don't get into the post-game stuff.
>>619187343I would fucking never. Frankly, back when I played let us cling together on the PSP I found the final boss to be one of the most insulting and terrible experiences I had in a video game that I deleted it and only beat it a few years later because of autism. Frankly it was one of the worst last acts I ever had the displeasure of playing through, going from like 10-15 piss easy unengaging fights to "lets copy and paste your whole team that you spent the game building up and give them everything you crafted for hours with our god awful crafting system"+plus lets include the boss instead of making an actual fight.I was livid, and it honestly really really dragged my opinion of the game into the fucking dirt for so god damn long. I can never not seethe internally when I think about it. I cant imagine how fucking terrible the post game is.Maybe it's good, but given how that game ended and how awful it was to craft shit I sincerely doubt it
Never played Tactics Ogre, is the new version totally fucked? I read something about randomly dropping cards which seems antithetical to a tactics game
can you sex your sister in this game?
>>619176764Is item sync really that bad in potd?>>619184037Ogres are really powerful creatures, they're close to gods in power, even in ogre battle you fought only one in the whole game.Final boss became an ogre.
Velocity shift is fucking broken
>>619187605This version honestly cant be worse than any of the others. The older ones were never particularly difficult or tactical, especially with how archers were, and Canopus being a unit on a level just below TG Cid himself
>>619187605As some anon above said they fixed some things and they ruined others, cards being one of them imo. It's hard to tell what the best version is so far for me but at least i can mod things in the psp version. Hoping actual mods are released for reborn too.
>>619187810>>619187892Enjoy your class levels.
>>619188426Im saying the remake is probably better mechanically you clod. Class levels and crafting were so fucking god awful
Is there anywhere that shows what skills you gain at certain levels? Apparently you only raise the level cap to 50 after the first chapter of CODA, and I'm wondering if I'd be missing out on something nice if I kept the cap at 45 while going through the other routes.
>>619187892Honestly if skill and spell slots were 5 or 6. Counterattack not being tied to 2 handed weapons and buff cards didnt exist. I am certain they removed Rogues because of how traps and the buff cards worked. Also random battles still being a part of the game while removing the "training battles". I actually liked the environments and training battles are fucking trash. This would be the perfect version.
Do one-handed swords ever become not shit?I see zero reason to use them over a hammer or even an axe.
>>619186743Exp charmsOr Training. Exp isn't for performance and is divided up & given more to lowest level
>>619188831Still need to get rid of the scaling bullshit.
>>619189085Just make it optional so faggots like you shut the fuck up. I don't want to mindlessly curbstomp everything when going through other routes.
>>619189019>I see zero reason to use them over a hammer or even an axe.Maybe weight, or look and see if they also counter or parry but I suspect weight is the biggest diff
>>619189141Scaling shit like item sync is antithetical to one of the core appeals of the genre. It's easily the worst new addition and arguably worse than the PSP release's class levels and skill system.
>>619189141Yes, they absolutely should have made it optional. Fuck it, call it easy mode if you want. I understand some folks don't like to overlevel, but there are also other folks who DO like to overlevel and curbstomb. They could literally just add a toggle and make everyone happy.
Finally got the summons from PotDIs it worth swapping in some Shamans now? How much of a damage boost are we looking at, since I really enjoy long-range poison/stun/slow spam and they can't use dark magic.
>>619189352>They could literally just add a toggle and make everyone happy.How do you feel knowing that a toggle is unlocked after beating the game but it's arbitrarily applied so there's literally dozens of fights where you can't turn it off no matter what?
>>619188426You can already kinda mod the class levels out for the psp version.
>>619189595terrible, which is why I'm done with that game after finishing the story (and a small number of sidequests)
>>619189313>It's easily the worst new addition and arguably worse than the PSP release's class levels and skill system.Woah anon, let's not go crazy here. Have you played the psp version recently? Do you not recall how godawful it was?
>>619189567Do you remember the occasional enemy using those summons on you and almost always either killing your unit or leaving them with a sliver of health? That's your answer anon.
>>619189789Brantyn's the only one that did godly damage with them, everyone else just hits for a max of ~300 totalI'm just going to put them on my rune fencers for now and if it consistently hits hard I'm going to swap out Sherri
>game is now 77% positive on Steam3% more and we are back to Very Positive.We are back, Ogrechads.
Do you still hope that a unique item has to drop from an enemy that sometimes spawns on a map deep in PotD and it happens to be in the lootbag whenever it drops instead of a card?Basically is chariot abuse still a thing for rare drop or did they fix it? I gave up on the psp version midway through PotD after figuring out you can go 100 floors deep and miss every single rare item even if you kill everything.
WHERE THE FUCK DO I GET MORE FUCKING FEATHERS
Worth making Ravness a White Knight?
>>619189313>Scaling shit like item sync is antithetical to one of the core appeals of the genre.That's dumb as shit, unless the only game you play is FF Tactics.
Can anyone help me get started with post-game? I got Iuria and it was a bit rough. I have the lv cap up to 50 now but my gear sucks. Is there a good place I can gear up for end game content and further progression?
>>619190025Yes, more white knights = more RT.
>>619189871Rune Fencers are awful with summons. Use Shamans and kill enemies outright instead of relying on status effects to drag out a fight.
>>619189743Yeah, and item sync is worse because it can't be solved within the constraints of the game.
>>619189962Yes you still have to chariot scum for relics and high-end recipesSome recipes are guaranteed drops from temples rather than RNG from phorampa/potd
>>619190204That makes no sense or whatsoever tho?
>one schizo sperging about "optional" sync system
>>619190223Class levels suck but it can be "fixed" with some grinding. It's not good but preferable to no solution.
>>619190067start EP2 or run woodrecruit and strip
>>619190291That's one of the dumbest takes I've heard this month anon.
>>619190291It can be fixed by playing the game strategically, you clown.
Can you clear PotD 1-100 at lv40
>>619190573yes but before CODA
>>619190276If you beat it one time, the level cap can be turned-off.
Why did they strip all the statuses away from elemental magic? I could swear there used to be a ton of elemental spells like an AoE water heal or an AoE weaken fire spell
>>619190485How is that going to stop the game from nerfing a weapon that's supposed to have 130 attack down to 85?
>>619189962Cheat Engine brother
The funny part is the level sync doesn't fully scale back your skills or magic. Like it will be a slow crawl, then once gaining MP my army will blow up the enemy with finishing moves and high end spells.
When doing the Deneb Wicce route does she join as a guest as a Witch before the Vasque fight? Or should she be a Wicce when joining as a guest?I thought I did everything correctly already and did the Vasque fight but she joined as a Witch in the end. I upgraded 3 relics and bought all the orbs from her.
>>619191303is there a cheat for always proc skills?
>>619191410Did you buy all the orbs THEN upgrade your relic? That might be the issue
>>619191410you NEED to upgrade relics before buy last orb
>>619191489>>619191568No I upgraded the relics before doing the auctions and buying the orbs. That is why I am confused. I reloaded and upgraded another relic just to be safe then did the auction/orbs buy again, but she still joined as a Witch as a guest.
>>619191410>>619191648Pretty sure in guest form she's a witch regardless. Have you finished her mission and have her join your party proper?
>>619191718I did it before and she joined as a Witch, I have saved again after doing the extra Relic/buy again and will try the battle tomorrow.Does it maybe matter if the relics are upgraded at her shop or not?
>My Canopus who has been wrecking everything pre-post game>Now suddenly dealing 2 dmg to the enemies in San BonsaIm convinced the damage calculation in this version is fucked
>>619191780>Does it maybe matter if the relics are upgraded at her shop or not?Yes. She wants the business.
>>619191780>Does it maybe matter if the relics are upgraded at her shop or not?yes
>>619191849>>619191857Ok that was it. Some other online guide fucked me and said the relics could be done at any shop. Worked fine once I did them at hers instead, but yeah she does join as a Witch when she joins as a Guest before the Vasque fight.
Are floating units safe from being knocked off ledges or is it just flying units?
>>619193123just flying units
>>619193159My ghosts are sad now.
77% ON STEAMA LITTLE MORE GOOD REVIEWS AND WE CAN GET 80%PUSH HARDER, OGRECHADS
>>619193492>as a friendNTR CONFIRMED
>>619191063What battle is that?>>619191135The enemies themselves are fucking nerfed?
>>619193557stop enable that retard holy shit
>>619193520Denam always has Ocionne.
>>619193598Sorry but I can't help but take the fucking bait anon.
>this guy's voiceEvery other guy in the game sounded like a normal dude but this guy is a fucking clown.
>>619193643Is that some hecking FE 3 houses referenrino?
>>619193557It's Palace of the Damned. If you do it in postgame you can look forward to literally all your drops getting nerfed to the point they are worse than store bought gear.
>>619193812That is a 100 level optional dungeon, jesus.
>>619193938It's not optional for CODA.
All I want to say is the win with no incapacitated units against lanselot is bullshitfuck this game and fuck me
>>619194084Filtered.>>619194052OK, I get it, you can fuck yourself if you play it blind.BUT PoTD can be done in chapter 4.
>>619194084debuff itemsuse it
>>619194137Yeah, but it's still a really dumb change for no justifiable reason. Not sure why anyone would spring to defend something that's such a net negative.>>619194084If you think Lanselot is bad, Brantyn is impossible without very specific setups and a bit of luck.
>>619194308To make it worse, the brantyn no incap reward is actually worthwhile too.
>>619193670I have no idea.
>>619191303Which table is that?
>>619194387Going by the game's rules the Wand of Air is too powerful to have at that point and gets nerfed in the Hanging Gardens so it's kind of funny that they even offer it as a reward.
>Dark Priest can't use swords or daggers>All the art of Dark Priest Catiua uses either swords or daggerscan cheat engine fix this?
>>619193520This is why you go Chaos/Neutral and build the sister harem.
>>619195193I had found it, but thanks brother.
Whats the max possible level here in Reborn? Lv.50 or more? I'm running Rune Fencer Denam for MP gains since I heard theres no MP charm to be found in the game.>>619193812Newcomer to the series here, whats Palace of the Damned? How exactly does it work? Like Deep Dungeon in FFT?
>>6191957851.50 2.keep playing anon and check warren report
>>619195785> How exactly does it work? Like Deep Dungeon in FFT?Yes, but imagine it was made by sadistic cunts.
>>619195785Don't worry about max MP. It's pointless.
>level cap>the only way to match the stats you should have had and be on an even ground vs grossly overleveled end game enemies is to autistically grind monster foods and tarot cards for all your charactersHaha fuck you too devs, cheat engine goes brrrrrrrrr, two can play this game.
>>619196192t: shitter still in chapter 2
>>619195943>2.keep playing anon and check warren reportI always do anon. Just found out Ravness got killed at the start of Chapter 2 Chaos. Another reason to kick Vyse's simping ass. Tell me he's not recruitable so I can kill him with ease.>>619195957So its 'Select a level and defeat the opponent or find secret exits'? I read here its 100 Levels, do I need to them all in one sitting? Just typing this made me remember how infuriating Wild Arms 3's Abyss.
Is POTD even worth doing? I was thinking of doing all the main routes and maybe CODA.
>>619181984+Str/Dex vs +Weapon Level depends on the weapon you're using. For weapons that have a harder time piercing penetrate, +Weapon Level is better.
>>619196223t. not even play this game
>>619196225He's not recruitable on Chaos and I think you'll enjoy the path. Let's leave it at that.
>>619196225You can save in the dungeon but if you retreat from it you have to start over from the first level.
>>619184575>>619186947Primary Elements are generally better to focus fire than Light/Dark because Shamans the strongest casters by far are locked to them, and several weapon types don't have Dark finishers and half of the light finishers are locked to Cudgels.In terms of finisher distributionLight > Lightning > Fire/Ice > Wind > Dark > Water/Earth
>>619196126do u like da grindin gaem?
>>619196365>He's not recruitable on Chaos and I think you'll enjoy the path. Let's leave it at that.Yes, time to kill simpguy. I do like how his portrait changed after Chapter 1 in the reports.>>619196379Oh shit. So its like Wild Arms ACF's Abyss then, but hella harder. I guess I'll finish all plotlines first before diving there. Chaos > Neutral > Law seems good to me since Law got many exclusives.
>>619196552>I guess I'll finish all plotlines first before diving thereIf you do that you'll be at a disadvantage. Better to do it before beating the game.
>>619176764Hey lads, I'm having a problem with this game at the moment. Usually I can pick up party members and go through the missions without a loss, but on this particular chaos mission, you have 3 guest members. Cistina in particular continues to die because she runs up there, and I can't kill the target fast enough to end the mission. It's a mage who hangs out in the back. I'm just not sure what to do, should I just let her die? What are the consequences of letting a character die? Do I miss out on important dialogue? I wish you had the chance to pick guest members back up, it's so stupid that they don't get a countdown AND they aren't controlled by me.
>>619196583Do not listen to this schizo. It will be an excellent way to ruin your enjoyment of the game.
As always I can't imagine playing this on console.Game is loathsome slow for how many units and trash mob battles there are, including POTD shit.At least on PC yo can use fast mode AND speedhack to actually achieve amazing and smooth gameplay speed for replays and the autismo end/post game grind.
>>619195193okay so I found and got the table, I found the "Available All Equips/plus two-handed" script under scripts->menu->equipment and that let my physically equip swords and daggers on her, but I still can't equip the sword or dagger skill. I did the "Current Stats/Highlight" thing and highlighted Catiua and went down to skills and changed her first skill from cudgels to swords but as soon as I made the change it disappeared probably because dark priest normally can't equip swords. So is there a way to equip skills on classes that don't normally have them script I'm missing or do I have to change it at some other part of the table?
>>619190920All debuffs have been moved to dark magic.I don't think elemental affinity plays anything into the odds, it's just spellstrike & your int+mind stats.
>>619196657If they die they're dead anon. Cistina is someone who will join you permanently in chaos if you save her.Surely you have someone with high mobility that can catch up to her and feed her a heal?
>>619191648There should be Wicce classmarks in her shop if you've done it that way.And since you can buy an infinite amount of them, you can swap her out to whatever so I think it should be the preferred method to get her.
>>619196657+1 equipmentsuse healing item>hould I just let her die?no
>>619196694>going through PotD without nerfed equipment>going through PotD with nerfed equipmentWhich of these do you think makes for a worse experience?
>>619196657>go to the wildwoods>recruit +2 griffins>load them up with healing items>charge them directly at this mage boss who is giving you problems>blood drain/stun breath the FUCK out of himhe will die or the ai will be too freaked out by the griffins and focus on them instead of your guests
>>619196892>going through potd when you want to>going through potd when you don't want toWhich of these do you think makes for a worse experience?
>schizo still melty over equipment
>>619196583>If you do that you'll be at a disadvantage. Better to do it before beating the game.How exactly? Am I going to miss a title or something? I'm doing that No Incap, No Chariot, No Retreat title.
>>619196902>>619196890Alright anons, I'll try.>>619196791Yeah, my healers are getting tunneled into not being able to climb the stairs to follow her into healing.
>>619196982You definitely should not even try to finish all of potd first run if you're going for those. Finishing potd is not required to get those titles.
>>619196982If you wait you'll be leveled down 5/10 levels and all the great, powerful equipment that is supposed to drop gets weakened to the point that it's all worse than the stuff you could buy in chapter 4.
>>619197081Doesn't that only last for so many floors?The levels get higher and so should the implied level for the floors which should un-nerf the gear.
>>619196982>I'm doing that No Incap, No Chariot, No Retreat title.rush for ending first for no incap
>>619197165No, it's for the whole thing.
>>619197027>You definitely should not even try to finish all of potd first run if you're going for those.Oh wait, I'm required to go there? How many levels?>>619197081How exactly they got nerf there? Equipments getting lowered stats or Equipments turning into lower tiers?>>619197168Damn nice. How to get Hero King Unscathed title? Concord King Unbloodied is No Incap right?
>>619197353>Equipments getting lowered statsThat. Plus the UI is glitched so you have to manually look at each item to see how bad it was hit. They're generally worse due to weighing more but some of them will have lower stats than what you can buy from shops.
>>619197353NTA, but I'm pretty sure the no incap etc. titles are for the main story only, PotD can be completely ignored.There are also titles for doing the same things in CODA and I'll be honest, I don't know what they were thinking with those ones.
>>619197168Does doing this even get you an achievement? Or is it literally just a title that no one will ever see except you?
>>619197691Just a title.
>>619197617>There are also titles for doing the same things in CODA and I'll be honest, I don't know what they were thinking with those ones.Guess its not yet time for you to take it easy even at post game then. I imagine how painful Palace of the Dead will be then running with this challenge.
Is item that bad in the post-game dungeons? I want to recruit the new units...
>>619190920>>619196775When PSP stupidly decided to dump all of the debuffs into Dark instead of spreading them apart, the remaining support spells were only kept because of X Magic being skills. When Reborn reverted it back to the old magic system, there was no point in having duplicates.
>>619197782no ignore that schizo
>>619197782>big endgame mega dungeon>filled to the brim with fantastic loot>all of it is made artificially worse than what you've been wearing for ages >no sense of progression means the whole thing feels even more like a slog than it already was>it IS more of a slog because you're weaker than you should beYou tell me.
Where do I find hoplite classmarks?
Every day I wake up and seethe that I killed Ravness. I don't think I can do the whole Law route again once I'm done. But it just FELT like that's what I was supposed to click.
>>619187531The game is great on PC. You can play the whole thing with just the mouse. Very well-made controls. Story is asnit always was. If you didn't like it then, that won't change now. I got used to the filter and it doesn't bother me now, and the voice acting is hit or miss, honestly. It's not a bad game, to tell the truth and I'm having a lot of fun with it. They did a lot of QoL changes, like crafting, so it isnt a pain now.
Tactics Ogre is a fantastic game if you only play the main story, once you try to do optional shit the game starts to torture you in cruel and unusual ways.
>>619198063And here I though most goes to Law for her. Before playing Tactics Ogre, I don't get why they like her.Someone post that pic of Denam doing war crimes while thinking of Ravness.
>>619196938Enjoy wasting more than 20-30m per battle in a game where 80% of battles are filler trash mobs
>>619198258no, it's a gay meme that retards take literally
>>619198308NTA , but that's what I'm already doingDon't tell me you just bumrush the boss and don't try to recruit stuff
>>619198391>recruiting in story battles instead of Phorampa or Pirate Graveyard
>>619196698Either PC or handhelds are the way to go for this genre.
>>619198464There's a few times you can get a certain class early if you recruit during bosses.
Which skills should I put on a knight? Is Rampart Shadow worth it?
Some of these fucking maps are absolutely retarded. >Here, have 17 turns of empty space.
Does this game have multiple endings or route based character choices? Something the Fire Emblem series sorely lacked until recently, so I was looking for an alternative.
>>619198660I would've placed a bunch of enemies on that relatively large grassy hill on the right. No reason to put them all in one end of the map.
>>619198464Light and Dark Dragons for Deneb are almost impossible to get outside of story missions.
>>619198694Yes to both.
>>619198775Using arc/dark dragon classmarks on the ones you get from Phorampa should work I hope.
>>619198694>Does this game have multiple endings3 different endings with different minor endings centered around specific characters you recruited>or routeGame has 3 routes, but they all reconverge for the final chapter with the only differences in the final chapter being sidequests they can do during it. Chapters 2 and 3 are pretty different based on the paths you take.
Is apocrypha spell suppose to be better than draconic spell?
>almorica castle!? What the fuck just happened to the difficulty... I just got Cistina, Folcurt and Bayin in my party and suddenly the game became harder instead.
>>619196771idk ask in fearless thread
Where can you farm winged boots or flight gear?
How are Faeries? I just recruited one using Canopus in Ch.2 Chaos.
>>619198628Aura shadow and phalanx, they do well with ice hammer
>>619199040>I just recruited one using Canopus in Ch.2 Chaos.It came with boon of swiftness early, pretty great spell. I also recruited that one.
>>619177539I never played the original and I think this might wind up being my GOTY.
>>619199096What weapon to use it though, I'm thinking of Blowgun but early blowguns seems nothing special.
haha isn't it funny when the enemy can dps faster than you can heal?
>law route>kill Xaebos who was a much easier fight than Hektor>get four (4) badass unique characters as a rewardGoddamn, the game is either about to get much harder or much easier, I'm not sure what I'm being prepped for here
>>619199182Yeah don't use blowguns until you get ones with status effects.
>>619199183Isn't it funny when the level cap forces you to fight enemies that have better>levels>gear>weapon skills>spellsespecially when to acquire many of the above you have to be either in post game or do ridiculously long and convoluted quests, yet enemies gain it for free, sometimes dozens of hours before you'd be able to achieve the same?
>>619199183You'll see it posted and you'll here it from me now - clerics drop off hard around the end of chapter 2. As you've noticed, Heal II cannot keep up with enemy damage output, even if you're running more than one cleric. Past that mark in the story you are better off just shelling out cash for mending essences and revive stones. Yes, they are expensive. Go frolicking in Phorompa for a while and it won't matter.
>>619199227Guess its a Mage Staff then. That +1 Spell Range can save me.
>>619199246>second Hektor fight>enemy mages have AoE spells not yet available to you>enemy mooks have finishers>Hektor himself is kitted beyond what you can get and is fast/able to just about 1-shot anyone on your team>all are higher level than youThe biggest surprise was that this was not a new benchmark for the game's difficulty, or even for bossfights. I'm not sure why they had to make this one in particular so difficult, the rewards were not even good
>>619199410Literally the definition of artificial difficulty by giving enemies tools the player does not have access to, many of which have long sidequests to get or even require you to finish the game, except enemies have it way before that.
which version should I start the whole saga?black mother(playstation) + current Reborn?
>>619199040I got one too, they're interesting in that they can equip better armor than typical mages as well as more weapons. I run mine with a mage staff and a shortbow but honestly the bow is useless on her and her magic is less powerful than a wizard's. I think she's really more of a novelty unit.
>>619199534The idea is that your advantage to counter all of these is your brain, and presumably your bottomless wallet as you have access to items the enemy can only dream of
How exactly does one "farm" POTD?Don't you have to do it once then all that shit over again if you want to do same floor once more?
>>619199589Now I'm thinking they're a utility type unit, with a good blowgun and Boon of Swiftness, they can make a mess on the battlefield if ever it becomes a melee.
>>619199540SNES Tactics OgreKnights of Lodis GBAPC Tactics Ogre Reborn
Guys I think honeymoon period is over. Now we see that Matsuno is fucking hack and the best Tactics Ogre game is actually the one he didn't touch - Knights of Lodis
>>619199817That is probably the best way to use them, I'm not a fan of those types of units as I find the best defense in this game is a powerful offense (with everyone stacked with healing items ofc). I'll never be the type to do a no-incap run because if a couple of my guys get ko'd in the process of decimating the enemy team, that's just the way she goes. I'd tear my hair out trying to play this without anyone going down and no Chariot lmao.
>>619199765Retreating puts you outside the fightSo if you know who drops what, you can back out as soon as you see that you didn't get the drop.Also some anons said that you retain drops after retreating so you can essentially bumrush a single unit and peace out as soon as you pick up the bag.
>>619199589Got your armored mage right here senpai.
>>619199589Familiars are just more offensively minded Clerics. I believe they have better growths too like the Matriarch class, so just build them like a mage and deck them out according.
>>619199817If you can get her to a point where she can apply statuses on a consistent basis while buffing, it might be worth having her on your team, but honestly if I'm going to have someone running around just for Swiftness I'd rather use a Rune Fencer who can dish out some damage as well. I suppose poison blowdarts could make up the difference.
>>619200017I've only just bumped my union level to 25 and I've seen these bitches in one single battle. It was not one that was conducive to recruitment unfortunately.
Level cap is boring.It's fine for most of the game, but at Chapter 4 you'll be doing literally 50+ battles capped if you actually bother with all the sidequests
>>619198660Meh, that's pretty much a genre-wide issue. If you don't have the patience to watch your units waddle across a large battlefield, don't play SRPGs.
So once you get to a point where clerics aren't cutting it anymore, is there a point to keeping them in their class? I'm thinking it would be better to switch them elsewhere; I can get healing and exorcism from items and cleansing debuffs is their only unique utility at this point. Donnalto especially seems like he's wasted if I leave him as is. What class is best for a cleric to transfer to? Status-inflicted Wizard due to high Mind level?
>>619200353You'll still need clerics to deal with undead.
>>619198660Take the extra time to break the bushes/trees near you. You get a guaranteed blue card every time and it seems like physical/magic/crit cards have a better chance of spawning from broken props. You can sit back in a secure position and still power your team up.
>>619200450Will I though? What if I just toss an exorcism item on each member of the team? Seems like that might actually be more effective than relying on Clerics
>>619200353I still use one for swiftness boons. I'd rather Rune Fencers/Valkyries save their MP for finishers unless they're topped out.
>>619200670That's a fair point. Swiftness is nice and Clerics are fast enough that they can spread it around quickly I suppose, but it still almost seems like a waste to use a slot just for a buffing unit. Maybe I'm underestimating how much that speed is helping me sometimes.
>>619177539I pirated it and then bought it a couple hours later.But then again I'm a Matsunofag so
Is it worth it to go in Phorampa Woods at chapter 3 or best wait for chapter 4?
Is fast forward and rewind in battles ok or nah?
>>619200982Go in Chapter 3. Phorompa is a magnificent source of monetary income, something you will need as items become your main source of healing (unless you want your team to just die all the time). You can also get beasts there as well as the items they drop, and if you go early you can get access to Dragoons and Swordmasters before you'd see them otherwise. Witches/Warlocks too I think.
Why the FUCK can't don be the priest class? Who the fuck had the bright idea to make it exclusive to your shitty sister?
>>619201175>Is fast forward and rewind in battles ok or nah?Chariot? Fine if you don't care about a title you can get without using them in the main game. I don't know if Palace of the Dead and CODA has them too.Fast Forwarding as in speeding up battle is fine.
>>619199996and how am I supposed to know who drops what?
>>619201368We had 4 Cleric type classesCleric, Exorcist, Priest and High Priest.Cleric + Exorcist = PSP ClericPriest + High Priest = PSP PriestOelias and Olivya lost their original class because Catiua's default class ate it in the transition.
>>619201538You do research.Asking around is also research.
>do pirate's graveyard>no lich>no recipes>no weapons>no nothing>have to do it againfug
>>619201621That's not really helpful, it's not like there's a guide.
So Lombardia has counterattack on a one handed weapon allowing you to have both parry and counterattack at the same time. Pretty cool.
>>619201712NTA but I'm sure there are guides floating around. Some of the PSP version's info is probably still relevant.
>>619201879>Some of the PSP version's info is probably still relevant.Unlikely considering I heard they took out most enchiridions from the woods.
On chapter 3, law route, which one should I take if I want to kill everyone>Psonji Wealdor >Lake BorduBoth are extremely hard at lv 19. Lake would be much easier if there weren't those snakes, or if healing items were to deal damages to undead. Does anyone know what is the summon limit (undead) of a boss on that map?
>>619200257>Meh, that's pretty much a genre-wide issue.It's really not. FFT has sensibly designed maps and plenty of ways to boost movement. FE has high-mobility units and encounters designed for engagement in the first one or two turns. Even indie shit like Symphony of War has large maps you can beat with relatively few idle turns. Tactics Ogre simply has shit map design.
What is the best finisher chant and why is it "I cannot be stopped!"?
>>619200017I didn't even think of this, so thank youFucking humie mages are so squishy in Ch3 it's giving me a stroke
>>619202148I went the lake route just this morning. You have a second tough battle waiting for you after the necro battle. No clue what the Psonji route is like, after taking the southern path I only see Psonji connecting to Phorompa so I don't know where else it goes.For the lake route, in the necro battle I really recommend bringing exorcism items with you as your cleric(s) are going to have a tough time keeping up with all the undead as well as reaching them safely. It's a pain in the ass map as traversing it is not a quick endeavor and you've got several powerful casters blasting you. No clue on the summon limit, I'd kill as much as you can and target the necromancer as the drops you'll miss from rushing her aren't really worth much IMO. I'll spoil the next fight for you if you want as well.
>>619202484Sure, but trying to recruit one of these bitches is a bit of a nightmare the first time you meet them. Does anyone know if they ever appear in Phorompa or any other place without a named enemy that will wreck you while you're trying to recruit? Doesn't help that only mages can recruit reptiles at this stage
Any early POTD maps you can farm for good weapons?
>>619189641Wat! Tell me more
>>619202578>I'll spoil the next fight for you if you want as well.Nah, I'll deal with that when the time comes.You are right, I should bring items for exorcise. I totally forgot about that and was thinking about magic, but that spell costs 50 or maybe even more MP. Thx
What's this potd and Coda that everyone keeps talking about?
How the fuck do I build ninjas well? Going for 2x swings honestly doesn't seem that good
>chapter 3 chaos just going on and on>zone out, play Rhime map by charging forward on mental autopilot>get obliterated>could grind, too lazy>use an actual strategy in this strategy game>wipe them out without any unconscious membersHuh imagine that
How do you get Orbs to craft some of the later weapons?
>>619201194Are there drops for crafting stuff too?
Where is the recipe for Damascus +1 gear ARMOR gear?
>>619203232Newcomer too?PotD is a optional area with 100 floors. I just asked this one a few hours ago.Coda is the post game contents, if I got it right.
>>619203782Well shit, so the good weapons are only 38+?
>>619203237Use them as ailment bots with the occasional 1h katana finisher.
>>619203237They get auto-skills that will apply statuses to both swings as well, so double your chances to apply silence, poison, whatever. Their magic is pretty nice when you first get them as well. They can also equip blowguns for applying debugs a little more safely if less reliably at range. IMO a utility class more than a damage class unlike in FFT
>Denam's voiceacting in Deneb's questI don't even want to know how the dub butchers it
>>619203387Some yes, like beast claws/horns, enchanted feathers, unicorn horns. Haven’t found anything fancy like crafting recipes though.
>>619203782I got it from the earth shrine if I recall.
was the choice to take the 'lawful' route a mistranslation? why would it be lawful to massacre people lol
Stop shilling this game RIGHT NOW. I'm not buying it.
the random power imbalances in this game are weird. they kind of just throw you into the deep end after a while. i was fine in chapter 1 though struggled with nybeth for a bit. that random ninja in chapter 2 that used dark blade to double hit and do like 500+ damage one turn was a bit nuts. vyce's map where a bunch of archers/wizards/clerics start immediately next to you but up on the high ground was a bit troll. i just got to almorica w/ the 2 golems and 2 dragons that have 1k+ hp and multi hit spells and heem my guysi feel like i'm missing something like i think my gear is ok so i dunno if there are buffs in items or spells i'm not using or am i meant to grind for a bit in those random woods or generally my tactics suck. but i barely do damage to these dragons and then they just ran through my people so i end up having to burn my turns spamming heals or eating leaves feels weird man. also my archer does literally no damage to anyone except squishies so i'm thinking about just spamming knights with rampart aura
>>619204145Because you're obeying orders and upholding the current structures of power, chaos you say "fuck the man, I do what I want".
>>619177539Honestly, a better way to look at it is to see triangle strategy is Not an SRPG. Tactics Ogre is great, and unlike Tri Strat, TO has actual gameplay. Not even talking about the heavily amount of dialogue Tri has to offer, but the actual gameplay is complete dog shit. TO, there's actually a sense of some kind of strategy when playing.
>>619204450What did he meme by this?
>>619203349Either this is shit or I'm retarded and you just have to chariot 50+ times for something to drop. Both very possible.
>>619204247Honestly just stack your steam with Rune Fencers, especially if winged birdmen like Canopus that you can easily recruit by spamming the first Phorampa Map.They already come with Spears, have range (both for melee & spells) and the fact they get Meditate means they can spam Weapon Finishers.Later they can also haste allies for free whenever Conserve MP/Zero Cost procs.Also buy healing consumables, at certain point they become vastly better than healing magic.For Dragon/Golems legit just ignore them most of the time and rush for the boss or other enemies.With healing consumables it's pretty easy.
>>619198063>>619198258The whole game is rendered moot if you couldn't save ravness
>Keep seeing anons seethe about item synch>Get to post game worried it'll be a pain>It's fine, you just can't curbstomp everythingIs this some schizo campaign or are you anons legitimately just bad at the game?
>>619176764Why do people keep saying this is much better than FFT? I'm a good 15 hours into Tactics Ogre, and I'm enjoying the game. But FFT left a stronger impression on me in terms of gameplay. I guess the story is "better", but they share a lot of the same story beats (if that makes sense).But my question is, what actually makes TO a much better game than FFT?
>>619204726The former. Someone is very dedicated to shitting on the new version.
>>619204247The difficulty will definitely have its spikes. The battle you’re on was frustrating but one thing I’ll tell you that will help you a TON going forward is that items are absolutely awesome and you should not be hesitant to buy or use them. The breach mead you can buy will help break the dragons’ defenses and healing items are stronger than clerics’ spells. It would not be a bad move to recruit one or both of those dragons, I did so and they are nice tanks for some battles. Make sure you have +1 equipment and if your level allows make sure everyone has their relevant finishers. It will boost your damage capability greatly.
>>619204247Breach, Weaken, Spoilspell, Enfeeble all have items or gear that can inflict themUse Poison, Frighten, etc. They don't suck hereGo for +1 gear as soon as possible
>>619204247Use status items. PLEASE. I BEG YOU.
What are the good necromancy spells? Just got cressida not sure what to equip her with.
>>619204678i got a few winged dudes lying around i picked up though they are a bit under levelled but i might try that. what's the best way of utilising rune fencers/valkyries? currently i have two of them kitted out but they end up being healersi got some ninja cards and tried out one of those dudes but they seem to suck. i wanna hit the dragons a bit and try to recruit them and i've had more fun figuring out how to clear maps than send canopus to kill the boss immediately>>619204932>>619204950i'm about to feel like a massive retard but... what's +1 gear.....
>>619204373that makes sense, i had to restart the level since i thought being lawful would be the opposite lol
I think a lot of people are hesitant to use items because in the beginning of the game, between what the game itself tells you and how things go, it seems like money is limited and hard to come by. There is no way to grind money out until you open up Phorompa so I think people hoard their cash, worried to buy anything aside from new equipment. That was me until I realized the Wildwoods are repeatable.
>>619204726I'm not at that part yet but I will be mad if my team of endgame equipped characters that I autistically grinded POTD for is not curbstomping.
>>619205203yeah that's pretty much my experience. i spend a lot of my money on equipment and then don't bother investing in items
>>619205171I’m not sure if you’ve unlocked crafting where you’re at in the story, but there is a point fairly early where there will be a “craft” option and with it you can create upgraded gear. It looks daunting at first but just know that generally you are not going to have the raw materials for much of anything, but most can be purchased and you can just craft to inventory and buy all the necessary shit at once. Play around with it a bit once it’s available.
>>619205348yeah i have it. i didn't really poke around with it that much though because i can only remember seeing crafting of items. i thought the equipment process was you just buy/find new gear, not upgrade it. interesting
>>619199534That's not what artificial difficulty means
>>619205171Recruit Winged Birdmen Rune Fencers from first Phorampa Map once it unlocks in Chapter 2 through Warren Report.It's better this way because they already come with ranks in Spear.Before that you can just use normal Rune Fencers/Valkyies, just change other characters you have on party atm into them.Give them an Instill Element spell of their element type, this is activated instantly like a support ability despite being a spell and will increase their melee damage.As for how to play, literally just charge the enemy and then spam Spear Finishers through their Meditate Support Skill that works as an MP battery;Birdmen will just shit on the enemies since you easilly ignore any terrain restriction and can also fly over rampart aura blockers.Be sure to make Canopus into Rune Fencer as well, Vartan doesn't hold a candle to it.Also, get the Shot spell of their element for your Fencers too, it can help when you aren't in range for melee attacks so you don't waste an action, it's why they're so versatile and great.
>>619205326You will eventually encounter ways to farm plenty of money with relative ease. I would start going to the Phorompa Wildwoods as soon as you’re able. Make sure you’re always checking for new “Talk” topics in the Warren Report. You can make a ton of money there so you can use items and rest easy. They help a LOT anon. Healing items will be replacing your cleric spells eventually so you need to get in that mindset. Debuff/buff items are very helpful and well worth the cash.
>>619205415A bunch of basic equipment upgrade recipes are just bought from the shop. More show up as you progress.
>>619200353Resurrect and boon of swiftness on a speedy type unit is useful
>>619176764What makes this game good? Is the streagty elements actually good?
>>619205653>What makes this game good?the content and length>Is the streagty elements actually good?not really
>>619205145Life Force and Putrify
I wish they had bothered adding more post game tier content instead of who cares tier voice acting.Why bother doing POTD shit to get good when there is legit NOTHING after that to actually use all your hard earned autismo gear?
>>619204753You can control more units in TO and be more tactical I guess.But I agree FFT is better and more fun to play. Also preferred the story there. Alma best girl
>>619205836I like voice acting. I'd rather have voice acting than another potd.
>>619204753I find the gameplay in TO better (reborn in particular, the older versions were archer spam) because you can't just come in and get a bunch of ridiculously broken units that break the game's difficulty in half, I'm of the mindset that if a game needs you to actively avoid optimal strategies to keep any semblance of difficulty then that game is poorly designed (this applies to TO PSP too because lol archers but reborn fixed it)
>>619205502>Give them an Instill Element spell of their element type, this is activated instantly like a support ability despite being a spell and will increase their melee damage.oh that's cool. i've largely been ignoring elements and i feel like i've been messing up with that too
>>619205252Reborn really just isn't for you then, the game is pretty obviously anti power grind, from level caps to item synch, you're obviously meant to be challenged on a way that incentivizes creative application of tools you have access to instead of just leveling up high enough to shrug everything off
>>619206234Elements are actually fairly important. I’ve been seeing people in some places say that creating a team centered around a single element can be really helpful, or at least making all your casters the same element. You’ve seen the “X-averse” debuff that spells give, well the more units that can take advantage of that, the more useful it is. Plus apparently stacking all your units with an element helps swing the weather in your favor, I guess certain conditions favor certain elements and if more units are on the field of a certain element, the weather favors them. I don’t know a lot of details on how that works or how strong the effects are though.
>>619206418I disagree, I think it's for anyone who actually likes the feeling of progress from the grind, otherwise there wouldn't be a POTD. My issue would be, if what you're saying is right, the lack of payoff at the end of it all.
>>619206418Yeah anyone who played FFT and got used to grinding their characters into gods will be disappointed in TO
It's bizarre to see a game that shafts the basic healers so much to the point that people actually use healing items instead
>>619206418The reason i’m enjoying Reborn so much. Other TRPGs feel like you are supposed to just waste hours on end grinding to overpower yourself. In this one I appreciate that there’s a variety of ways to win battles if you think strategically.
there was a post several threads back that commented on cheesing the leonar fight with winged boots that dropped before it. what did they drop from? I tried chariot cheesing the dark/arc dragon and got nothing but beast fangs.
>Ancient shrine sealed away by powerful magics for decades to hide the powerful apocrypha>Absolutely full of bandits and barbarians
>>619206560STAB bonuses exist in Reborn and that's a lot of easy damage that you're throwing away for not using it. That's why Fire is a great element for archers until Level 40 due to their Level 20 Crossbow and 30 Bow Finishers both being Fire.Averse also works on finishers among other things so making your casters spam it is insanely helpful.>>619206673You get +1 HP healed per TWENTY(20) Mind Healcraft also only adds like 15% to your outgoing healing so they're reliant on Blessing and Major Heal to contribute. Just equip healing items on everyone's and use Heal from classes that can actually do damage as spot healers.
>>619203237I have two, one with good traversal to attack rear line. The other I've given a blowpipe and use in conjunction with an archer with Eagle Eye. The game doesn't explain this, but Eagle Eye guarantees that ranged weapon status effects proc. Both work well enough.
What the fuck? Is this where everyone gets dragons?
>>619206761>random enemies you fight have said spells that require you to break the Seal
>>619206985Yup, that map is usually full of dragons and fairies / gremlins
Whats Item Sync that some anon here post about?
>>619204753Multiple routes and post end game content.It just feels like it has more content in general.
>>619206985That and the early fight with the dark and light dragons are where I got mine. Apparently one of the later Phorompa fights has 8 dragons and nothing else kek
>golems and kniggas take less damage from magic than finishersThis feels wrong
>>619205502Vartan has bootleg instill with one of its passives and can automatically inflict averse with another one. it also has more movement and better growths.
>>619206737Same here, also another reason people seem to prefer tactics is sheer nostalgia factor, with it being baby's first trpg and all
>>619204753Much better story and characters. I have remembered intimately the machinations of every player in the valerian civil wars all these years, but could only barely give you a very superficial synopses of FFT's plot.
Should I get this game? I love FFTA as a kid
>>619207242And it cannot spam Finishers, nor start battle with Boon of Swiftness for free, therefore who cares.Growth might as well mean nothing since for the enemies that matter in post game shit you can farm charms and such through autism.Movement is nice, but frankly the 5 Rune Fencers get is more than enough when they're winged and have a +1 Leg of any kind.
>>619206985Can someone redpill me on dragons? Are they worth actually using in battle or just auction bait?
Can you recruit these shiny monsters or upgrade your normal ones into them?
>>619201796What is that tuning fork item?
>>619207360Probably. It will be much harder but you’re a big boy now so you should be able to handle it
>>619207496Water dragon breath can inflict AoE breach so they’re worth having around. The rest are good meat shields for a while.
>>619207506no and nobut with cheat engine you can recruit them
>>619207496They are the best tank in the game>tanky thanks to absurd amounts of HP, % heal items make them last absurdly long>dragon scale reflects damage>rampart aura>dash for extra movement>can throw boulders at casters for good damage>AoE breath attacks are good for when you unlock them, water one is always good because it breaches
>>619207562heavenly fork, for fighting the heavenly generals, potd thing
>>619207115Managed to grab 3, shame a counterattack killed the water dragon.
>>619207782Well, that's disappointing.How the fuck is something like this still not in after 5 releases of the game
>>619207410Rune Fencer is incredibly reliant on RNG to consistently generate the MP to spam those finishers or start with Boon of Swiftness.
What are your favourite weapons to use so far?Valkyries/Rune fencer abusers don't bother replying because your class is so broken that weapons don't matter fuck you.
>>619208282>Valkyrie/Rune FencerChild's play compared to Shamans.
>>619208282Spear on white knight Ravness just for double stun feels really goodDaggers on Vyce(or Vartan Canopus) are insane, all 4 finishers are goodMaces are godly, they deal good damage to armor and it feels like extra damage to low armor units compared to other weapons, plus their first finisher hits like a truck and the third finisher is AoE
>>619208205Not if you have a team filled with them.Even as far as Boon you can often start with 4-6 quickened units for "free" later on.>>619208282Spears are great until they become 3 range which is kinda gimmicky to use if you have many.Plus they Breach on the second finisher.Hammers are good for bypassing armor and have a nice cross finisher like Spear at 30.Daggers and Whips have decent range on their Finishers too.>>619208404One is already unlocked at the start of the game, the other you only have for 10% main story content outside of POTD and Coda stuff.how good is Shaman anyways, I am doing the Temple Quest now, is it THAT amazing?
>>619206743Talkikng about this post specifically >>618729229.
>>619208494Any class with Meditate + Boon can start with it for "free" if RNG decides to cooperate, otherwise you have to eat a consumable to get that.Also, the bulk of the maps in TO happens between PoTD, Heim, Hanging Gardens and Coda content. Combine that with having to play 2 other routes then the only truly late classes are shit like Songstress,Angel Knight and Paladin since not many people Coda before finishing the other routes.
>>619208801>Any class with Meditate + Boon can start with it for "freeYes, but they won't have synergy with Finishers like Rune Fencer, or free elemental damage that scales wonderfully on hit, especially when elemental weapons literally only drop at the fucking end of Chapter 4+>>619208801Also, the bulk of the maps in TO happens between...Sure, but not as far as main game, and i highly doubt most people will bother with post game autismo, at least POTD
>>619178575They removed it?
>>619209676The scene plays out differently in the PSP version, he just leaves her men to do whatever they want to her (heavily implied gangrape and subsequent snuff scene ensues)
>>619208985Anon PoTD is 100 floors, Hanging Gardens is another 20. If you decide to do Pirates and the other shit that's a good bit more maps. I'm not kidding when I say that the bulk of the time spent in a given playthrough of TO happens in Chapter 4 after Barnicia when all of the side quests open up.>Elemental synergy with finishersSword and Spears don't get their elemental finishers until Level 30 which is Chapter 4 content when the elemental gear starts turning up. If you stick primarily to story content, its not that much earlier than say Shaman and Lord/Princess. Mage classes don't really care about their finishers because they have ailment shutdown to their names before AoE III and Summon BS kicks in.Instills synergy? There are other classes that can do that whether by spell or personal skills.Don't get me wrong, RF is an excellent class but its not the best.
>>619196775You'd think they would add slow-related spells to IceOr Poison effects on Earth spells.Where's the SOVL
>>619209932The PSP version stole it to pander to law
>>619198358Oh how the turn tables>>619198258
If I did the shrines on my law playthrough and I'm now on chaos which I want to stick with, do I need to do the shrines twice for the level 2 versions of the spells?
>>619209856I'm not saying it's the best class in the game, especially when you have uniques with busted stats/RT, but it's quite easily the class that can carry you for all of story content.But then again amusingly enough the unique with most busted RT is also a Rune Fencer, lol.I've tried full monster + beastmaster, full rune fencer, and mixed parties for story and the Rune Fencer Birdmen party mogged everything else.NOTHING grants as many bonuses as Rune Fencer and Valkyrie, at least not for how early it is and for most of the main game content.And you have to survive until you get to the end/post game point, which what, more than 40 hours.>Elemental synergy with finishersI meant normal synergy with Finishers because they are the only class for most of the game that will regen MP + have access to good Finishers, as early as level 1 or whenever you get your first finisher.>Instills synergy? There are other classes that can do that whether by spell or personal skills.Tell me of any that gets free scaling elemental damage on hit for the entire Chapter 1,2,3, and can be added to generics/regardless of uniques.
I genuinely don't see how Law's story is any better than Chaos's story. Both are shit.
How do I build Ozma? Leave her with whips or change to something else?
>>619210331Ruination is pretty middle of the road all things considered for an early game finisher and your stats aren't high enough to feed Rending Gale. Wind has boosted Heartseeker, Ice has Ice Prison and Tyrant's Mace. Those are the reel showstoppers early on. Even a madman could mess around with Light + Meditate Cudgel finishers on a class that can offhand them.If memory serves me correctly TKs can use Instill Shadow but they are slow. Vartan has a bootleg Instill Air. Sure they don't have Meditate but you should never base your entire strategy around RNG.
Did I fuck up for picking Law over Chaos for no incap/chariot run?
>>619210331Also, the objectively fastest unique in the game is Ozma who isn't a RF. Ravness is second place.
>>619205532If you're going to farm for money, why not just cut out the middleman and craft Blowguns and then resell them for a higher price? Literally infinite moneyNow you don't have to worry about running full heals + debuff items on every character.Don't worry, having full heal doesn't make the game any easier towards the end
>>619210751chaos is the easier route, so yeah
>>619181984Doesnt exist atm. They fucked up and added another codex twice. Wait for patch.
>>619210883>Law >Harder than ChaosDelusional. Easier "duel" fight, three White Knights, two of the fastest characters in the game, etc.Its by far and away the easiest route in the game.
Did the SNES version already had POTD & never ending Hanging Gardens?Hard to imagine fitting all that on a SNES cartridge
>>619211578SNES had PotD up to floor 100, the extra 15 floors and Hanging Gardens were additions for the PSP release. Maps in the PotD were particularly simpler in the SNES version.
>character is attacked>waaaah!
>>619209676They removed the explicit rape implication, changed the charmed to ladened so it makes a regular "hunting" scene were the victim has no chance to run, you know the trope were the killer tell the victim to run while he shoots them on the back and shit like that.And it's weird because if you play law people told me that her end is implied she was raped and killed by the Dark Knights.
>>619211559(I'm the anon who asked the question)I forgot to add. I play with no recruit (only generics), no training, and White Knights are Weiss---I mean Vyce and his crew, if I'm not mistaken, so they won't be in my team unless they are Guests. My current team is >2x Terror Knight (one of them is Denam)>2x Berserker>2x Cleric>Rune Fencer>Warrior>Valkyrie>Knightand the 2 new ones after the Coritanae Ward battle (30th story battle) are Dragoons. All my characters are level 19 at the moment.
Should Ravness stay a valkyrie or become a white knight?
Do cudgels finisher scale with int or str/dex?
>>619212207Honestly I've found 2 White Knights are more than enough, sometimes even one.If you have her then you can choose 4 as White Knights, I'd keep her as Valk myself.Only thing I don't like about WK is that they take forever to get MP for Finishers, and lack range as opposed to Valks with the missile spells.
>>619212207White Knights is easily the best Phys class just because of one skill.Imagine having double, triple maybe even x4 times as amount of turns as the enemy.Can't get stronger than that
>>619212207WK has much better stats growth than valk.
PSP/Reborn has a really fucked up progression curve where basically almost all of your classes don't start getting anything until Chapter 4 and even then not until after Catiua joins.
sick of deman being a weak bitch, tried terror knight and sword master and he never hits hard.im guessing i messed up his tarot cards. should i try berserker?
Where did it all go so wrong, /v/?I rescued Cressida but she didn't join me. I had done all the previous steps correctly and I assumed I had enough reputation. When I check a Galgastani soldiers condition it'll say "In the eyes of this unit, you are a worthy leader who can do no wrong." That should be enough, right? If it is then I obvious did muck up somewhere, but I'm not sure when or how.
>>619212797take the Rune Fencer spearpillDon't forget to add Instill spell of his element
>>619212817Try to recruit one from the shop and their loyalty.
>>619213104thanks ill try it
Is there a point in doing a particular route first for post-game shit? I think I did law on the PSP version and quit somewhere around the end, but I'm really not sure anymore, it's been years.
I read all the warren reports about him but didn't recruit azelstan yet after the shrine quest started. Did I miss him this playthrough? Pirate's graveyard is a dead end at like 5 levels in.
>>619212797>TK not hitting harddo you even have Breach on your weapon
Why does the game say that Tabar Zin +1 is better than Chakmak +1 even though Chakmak +1 has more attack? Is the one point of strength that important?
>>619213142I see, that answers my question, thanks. Dunno if I wanna do this deathmarch thing. Are there any other options? Couldn't I just level up Galgastani to improve my rep with them?
>>619213238You want either Chaos or Law with princess ending going into CODA, because you need Catiua and Gildas alive. You also need Vyce recruited (but not necessarily alive)
So are Fusiliers better this time around? I was fighting a boss fusilier and he seemed to be doing pretty good damage to my party.
>>619213670Did you use up all of the free story bonuses? If not then Deathmarch it.
>>619213961No.I tried Lindl and even with 1000 ATK his damage was garbage.I guess they also slapped them with the Archer debuff to everyone but squishies
>>619213326Possibly. I believe you have to do step one (meet him for the first time with that battle) right after going to Pidoch the first time, step 2 (talk to him again then go to quadriga fortress) before Barnicia castle, and then step 3 (the rest) can be done whenever.
Why are Shamans supposed to be so good?What is their advatange over a Lich for example?Asking because this temple sidequest is boring as hell with 6 floors deep each temple, and I want to know WHO to spend my INT + MND charms on
>>619213670Deathmarching takes like an hour. If you are on PC, you can just play a video while doing it. Just recruit 6 galgastani units, give 2 of your good units spears (can even level up some spear proficiency in the process, raise the loyalty of someone with low loyalty too if you have that), have them kill them all, then retreat. Unless you've somehow really fucked up your chaos frame, it doesn't take longer than an hour.
>>619213974Used up in the sense that I have (unknowingly) chosen the right things to say. I still have the Pirate treasure thingy, but I don't think that will be enough. The people of Galgastan think I am distasteful so I'm probably going to have to deathmarch either way. Or I just live my life knowing that I failed to recruit a cute Necromancer girl.
>>619213961Much better than archers in my experience, they actually do worthwhile damage. And since they've fixed the augment element damage scaling, their main drawbacks of having no elemental weapon is gone. They're not going to one-shot enemies without cards, but they deal respectable damage.
>>619214075I believe it's partially because good stats and partially because I hear summons are busted.
>>619213991X Attack is a fucking meme stat. If your Atk + Str + Dex doesn't exceed the enemy's penetration threshold then almost everything in the damage formula goes to shit.>>619214075They're objectively hardest hitting mages in the game in exchange for losing ailments since Reborn decided to remove the elemental ailments.
Why are Archers always so fucking boring in Matsuno's games?It has nothing to do with being strong or weak, but all they do is fucking attack with a bow for damage. No spells, no interesting abilities, just raw damage.
>>619214370I mean I suppose a magic archer could be a cool class, but archers themselves are perfectly fine as they are.
So, how many of you have used the ''glitch'' for infinite money? No, I'm not calling you cheaters, the exploit is in the game for a reason. I am just curious.
>>619214587There's no reason not to do it since you get trivial unlimited money as soon as you hit Phorampa. Just spares you from the grinding.
>>619214587Well I think it's in the game because they somehow overlooked it. I doubt they intentionally left a way to make more money than you'll ever need in about 5 minutes with zero effort.That said, I used it. The game is balanced in a way that infinite money doesn't really break it. Just by playing normally you can load out your units with current gear and upgrade it all. I always had enough to keep my party geared, even if i ran low from time to time. Infinite money mostly just meant I could buy hundreds of consumeables so I didn't need to remember to restock a lot.
>>619214370archers have debuffs like stun, silence, and you can equip them with a dagger too, its not just raw damage lol its the opposite, for me they're utility
>>619214587I use it when I'm out of items to sell and I need to restock, money is only a problem in the early game anyways.
>>619177539They aren't really that comparable. Triangle Strategy's gameplay is more like a boring, barebones (old) Fire Emblem clone.
How good is cressida base wt?
>>619214065>step 2 (talk to him again then go to quadriga fortress)Yeah I think I got this part wrong, he's not showing up at Quadriga because some other temple quest related guy is.
Can you buy Orbs?THese krystallos crystals seem a pain to get
Where do you get the 2nd upgrade for the Temple spells?wiki says the temple bosses drop them but only got the first version.And they seem pretty subpar damage wise too....
>>619215721Yes, but you need to auction the appropriate dragons first>>619216165Go through the temples a second time and the bosses have a chance of dropping them. They are basically upgraded versions of the T2/T3 indirect spells, with 50% more damage for 50% more MP cost
Should I use 1 handed swords or 1 handed katanas as a white knight Ravness? I want some nice light element finishers.
>>619187892>cards being one of them imo
>oz hits for 650 with his normal axe attackwhat the fuck lmao
is there any point in changing my enchantress into a witch if i don't plan on using golems? it feels like she's falling behind but i don't know what i should do to fix that>>619216419in both cases the final finishing blow is divine but the 1h katana divine one does crushing damage, the sword one does slashing damagei wuld go swords because i like rending gale but i don't know enough about the game to tell you if i'm actually right or not
What class do you use on your Denam?
>>619217384Rune Fencer. I was a Knight and a Terror Knight for a while but the terrible speed didn't make up for the utility and iron wallness.
How do you get the various accessories? I cant figure out where to get the gems to craft them.
>>619217523you get the recipes for some rings much much earlier than you get the recipes for the gems requiredyou don't get the codex of gems before phidoch castle in chapter 3
>phidoch castle battle on 3L
>>619212207It's better, valkyrie can spam finishers but white knight makes her hit harder, maker her spear stun which is really useful and is one of the few sources of speed buffs that you can get while the rest of your team should be able to deal damage
>>619217384knight, guardian force + phalanx its just too good, you are a fucking wall and nobody gets hit more than 50hp
>>619193520She's your sister, its not NTR when someone else fucks your sister Cletus.
>>619217384Berserker until the start of chapter 2, then RF. I had a generic RF that was really putting in work and I wasn't getting much mileage out of Denam as a Zerker due to Berserk activations happening at the worst times. Not sure if I'm gonna get Lord or Princess yet so I'm keeping him as a RF for the foreseeable future.
>Finally got my copy of TO RebornTime to split time between that and SaGa
>>619217923He's got such a creepy smile, if you can call that a smile.
>>619217923the difficulty depends on how quickly you can burst Oz down and how badly rampart aura fucks up your movement near the stairs
>>619219018these fucking nigger priests keep healing him for 500 every turn
would you jeopardize your marriage and dynasty for?
Is the petridart blowgun worth trying to use or is the chance for petrify too low? Just got into chapter 3 and crafting seems to have opened up a bit
>finally got deep into PotD to get to a shop>don't want to back out even though there's no point in continuing because I haven't finished Cressida's quest to allow Nybeth to show up
>>619220409Catiua looks way more like the queen than mannaflora. Their portraits seemed wrong.
>>619217103Witches can equip spellbooks which are generally better than cudgels until you get the shrine recipes or enchiridions. Witches also have better stat growths.
>>619177258I only ended up getting this on a replay of the game with WORLD without level sync on. My lv45 dudes could still get oneshotted by Wisplight though, so it was a bit of trial and error. That's the one that gives the Wand of Air, right? It's a good end-of-basegame wand, too. +5 range, has 100 MP refresh 3x per battle on it.
what a massacre
>>619220572i used it as soon as i got the craft and it worked pretty good, now im using the poison and leave the petrifiy to my casters
anyone still got the art book link? Saved it on my tablet but want to back it up elsewhere
>>619220894don't complain, this fight wrecked my shit so bad i couldn't even touch him, he fled and left oz to die before i had a chance to even get close
>Clerics become fucking useless near the mid game>Forcing Donnalto to give up his class I can't do it. He's just going to be a fucking boon bot.
Do you still get unique scenes with characters even if you're not on their route?I just got Cressida but I want to do POTD on my law run.
>>619221112No but I don't think she has any dialogue with Lich Nybeth at floor 100 considering his other kids didn't have any there but she probably has some during their first encounter at around floor 6 or so.
bros, did matsuno know...?
>Palace of the Dead 10th floor boss is the same as POTD boss in FFXIVanybody find this strange? Did Square add this obscure boss to this game for this reason?
>>619220894For that specific fight, I had to craft items that restore full MP and gave them to some of my characters. Immediately started hitting Oz with everything I've got, and then went up the stairs.This is gonna be a pain in the ass in the no incap/chariot run.
>>619221784I like how the game has FF13's font and there's also a skill called Paradigm Shift - which is a battle theme from 13-2(and yes, I know TO is older, but it's just funny)It would be nice if you could recruit monsters in 13-2...ohwait
Are there any side quests or anything to watch out for in chapter 3 chaos? Last time I played the game I went law so I'm not entirely familiar with what's available on this part of the route.
>>619222217I don't believe there's any real side content in act 3 (at least for Chaos). Act 4 is where everything happens.
What class is best for Canopus in reborn? I feel like as Vartan, he's just okay. At least with shortbow and one handed axes. Should I just give him a 2hander axe?
>>619219820I used one of those orb items for a huge aoe poison and then bumrushed the healers
>>619221784PotD in FFXIV is literally a Tactics Ogre reference, yes. Yoshi P has repeatedly said his favorite game is Tactics Ogre.
>>619222646Give him a dagger.
>>619221784I mean the floor 100 boss of FFXIV PotD is literally nybeth.
>>619222125>Paradigm Shift - which is a battle theme from 13-2Er, it's also the key battle mechanic in FF13I think that's what it's referencing
>>619222646>Axe + BowYou got baited by the game. Knife is the melee weapon of choice for Vartan.
>>619221784There's tactics ogre armor in some early heavensward dungeons
>>619222910>>619222862Knife that good? >>619222919Why you say that?
I need to start playing Shadowbringer but I need to get past the stupid Stormblood postgame
>>619222646Rune fencer with sword + crossbow, meditate is too good to pass up and all Vartan has going for it is the extra movement
>>619222931And stormblood dungeon(s) too.There's a shitload of TO stuff in XIV really.>>619222990The stormblood postgame picks up IMO. It's definitely better than the base campaign. Also as a side note, do the omega raids. It'll be relevant in Endwalker. Not CT to Shadowbringers relevant, but still pretty good to do.
>>619223093>Also as a side note, do the omega raidsOh yeah I remember that. That's kind of what's putting me off, not any singular thing but the list of things I need to catch up on for ShadowBringer (e.g. I had to finish the FF3 raids or something)>It's definitely better than the base campaign.I liked Stormblood more than heavensward. At least the Doma parts.
White knight Ravness with 1 handed sword and shield work?
>>619221784Did the PotD theme being the same as the one in Tactics Ogre not tip you off?https://youtu.be/X-_Ik6Bbqqwhttps://youtu.be/J1p1qHmC4i4
>>619223070Finishers practically don't exist in Chapter 1You're stuck with T1 finishers until virtually Chapter 4Rending Gale doesn't truly start to shine until later on in the game and the same goes for Crossbows.The extra movement is also very valuable for those missions where you need to save the AI.
>>619223295Unironically don't feel like shields are worth the RT cost1H Sword is fine because Rending slaps
>>619223295She's probably better with a spear. Spear gets some good finishers later and has good range.I'm not convinced shields are worth a hand, swords are decent but white knight can't dual wield them, so spear is probably best.
>>619223295Just use hammers/maces or spears. 1h swords don't seem to be particularly useful since they don't do as good damage against heavy armor units who are going to be the majority of who you fight in melee combat as a frontliner.
>>619222910>>619222862Should I make him a buccaneer for dual daggers?>>619223404Well in this case I'm in act 4, so that advice could be good to know for me.
>>619223404I did keep him as a dagger + crossbow vartan until the end of chapter 2 so I agree, but after getting the tier 2 crossbow finisher meditate becomes really handyAlso Gryphon ambulances trivialize rescue NPC missions
>>619212817 here, I succeeded at recruiting Cressida. Which of the Necro spells are worth using? The tooltips aren't really all that helpful. I've been to the 24th level of PotD so I have all the store bought spells from there.
>>619223564Its your game do whatever you want. Just keep in mind that Vartan is awful at axes because of bad weapon progression.
>>619223696Sure, just wanting all the info I can get.
>>619223696what should my berserker/beast tamer be using
If I missed the unique Buccanner can I still find liches in the pirate graveyard?I can't seem to explore all the areas
>enemy picks up a bag>relic>I pick up the same bag>duplicate crafting bookI fucking hate this game
>>619221252>she probably has some during their first encounter at around floor 6 or so.She dose. I'll drag her to floor 100 sometime and see if she wants to say something there too.
>>619224101please record what she says during the final battle, I merc'd nybeth in like 1 turn and didn't see any dialog and it made me sad.
Wait, before we die, when can I get more Dark charms? I need to make Donatello Dark for his Warlock conversion
How moddable is the PC version? Any hope or is it completely encrypted and packed up in an inaccessible state?
>>619224754There are already mods.
>>619224754Cheat Engine is enough to address most of the aggravations people have hadThere will probably be modded classes or big rebalancing packs at some point