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LUV ME EMPRAH
'ATE SNAHPAHS, 'ATE BOMBAHS, SIMPLE AS.
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Fuck the emprah
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>>619113026
OI
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>>619113026
You will die where you stand
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LEVEL 22 AND STILL NO FUCKING BOLTER REE FUCKK REE
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>>619113026
HERESY!
*BLAM*
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>>619112948
How is the plasma gun? Is it good or bad?
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>>619113026
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>>619113165
Bolter is better in every way.
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>>619113026
I like the way you think
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>finally get eviscerator
>doesn't feel as efficient against hordes as going mad with the axe
>get to a boss
>cut through him like tissue paper
Holy shit this weapon fucks
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>>619113165
Bad but honestly power sword brings so much to the table you shouldn't even care if you have a meme secondary
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>>619112948
How does it compare to vermintide? Is it as fun?
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>>619113165
i like it but yeah the bolter tends to outclass it. it performs better when suppressed, and its pulled out faster though. it is super cool though.
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>>619112948
>3 flamer zealots
>1 heavy stubber ogryn
HAHAHAHA YEEES
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>>619113256
isnt axe bad against hordes as well? it's meant to be good against elites
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>this entire thread
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/z387qb/for_those_interested_in_why_they_take_health/
so many assblasted shitters playing this game, its hilarious
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>>619113256
the shove attack does a horizontal sweep that is nice against hordes
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>>619113256
push attack into light is two sweeps, or push attack into heavy into two lights are all sweeps
You just got to get used to it
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>>619113280
i played a couple of hours of VT2 when it was free and was underwhelmed and dropped it. I'm fucking hooked on darktide though. Main gameplay difference is having guns and enemies with guns
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Zealots be sleeping on the Eviscerator, this thing fuckin SLAPS. Seriously, why do I not see more people using it? The Thunderhammer feels so clunky in comparison.
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>>619113165
i had fun with it, when you fully charge a shot and pop volley it one shots any specialist, even ogryns. The bolter doesnt have that power but is more consistent.
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>>619113205
Bolter is not as accurate
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>>619112948
when the fuck can i get the proper psyker ranged shit?
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>>619113256
Heavy Attack into Light Attack and repeat, it mops up hordes.
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>>619113480
What are you smoking
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>>619113165
Plasma gun is not as good as it ought to be.
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>>619113332
I only noticed this while at 2 health and a dog leaping past and gently brushing me with his ankles caused me to die.
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>>619113026
thats a BLAMing
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>>619113449
I prefer the chainsword, it has faster and more reliable cleave along with better mobility.
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Week one bros, where are the new surprises they didn't want to spoil
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Yo my brogryn's, you are like the big brother every veteran wants. I will always rush to your safety even if it kills me
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>>619112948
>no real chaos spawn bosses
>no real chaos marine bosses
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>>619113181
>is allowed to keep a chaos spawn head as a trophy
no
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>>619113657
the surprises are more disconnects and maps being disabled
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>>619113682
As an Ogryn I always consider it my primary job to protect the veteran.
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>>619113713
A chaos marine would oneshot the party.
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>>619113449
I wish I could love the thunder hammer, cause it murders anything with a health bar, but it feels buggy and cluncky as fuck
>Don't hold in heavy attack long enough causes you to transitsion into a light attack, which is a mess of animations
>Sometimes it looks like you're charging a heavy attack but it's an animation bug and you're in idle mode
>Can't tell what you've murderer or what you just swept out of LoS that will no doubt shank you in the back
>Thunder charge is single target and doesn't have some sort of AoE aspect to it
I really want to love the Thunder Hammer, but it needs to get its shit together
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>>619113713
I heard there was a chaos marine boss in one level, maybe that level is just not in yet or someone lied?
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>>619113713
A beast of nurgle is a literal daemon what are you on about. A spawn is nothing in comparison.
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>>619113165
It's not the best weapon, but it shouldn't be. It's a specialist weapon and has a certain niche. Which is dispatching high armor high value targets.

But absolutely my favourite iteration of a 40k Plasma Gun so far.
Sound, look and feel are all perfect.
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>>619113803
its more than likely a lie
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>>619113807
I feel like a chaos spawn and a minor demon are about on the same level of power.
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>>619113713
Actually I encountered some chaos marine dialogue between characters earlier

I've been saving a bunch of the dialogue I've been encountering, this game has so fucking much
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>>619113358
>>619113401
>>619113532
Thank you, kindred.
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>>619113657
the surprise is that there is no surprise
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>>619113793
A rank and file chaos marine wouldn't, not with the weapons the party gets acces too. It's been a while too, but I can remember that an ogryn on the TT was quite the threat to a marine
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>>619113793
Lol look at this guy. A psyker would be able to kill a space marine let alone a ogryn, veteran and zealot supporting them.
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>>619113504
takes a while, maybe level 12ish, get used to brainburst in the meantime
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>>619113794
>Can't tell what you've murderer or what you just swept out of LoS that will no doubt shank you in the back
i laughed so hard and relate to this part deeply.
>Thunder charge is single target and doesn't have some sort of AoE aspect to it
i really wish it had an aoe blast from its contact point, even it was just kind of "stun" to enemies around the blast (without pushing them miles away please, refer to your other point about shanks and backs)
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>>619113953
Not a plague marine. Cant pop a brain if its already jelly and he's retaining his consciousness through means we dont understand under Grandfather's gifts. They're seriously the hardest things to kill in 40k, at least as far as the lore goes.
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>>619113794
>Sometimes it looks like you're charging a heavy attack but it's an animation bug and you're in idle mode
It happens to a lot of weapons.
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>>619113825
Agreed, and it feels pretty interesting to see how it would be to wield one of those as a regular sized human since an astartes just one hands that shit...
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>>619114046
Fight could be in a room with an incinerator or something and you have to damage him X amount to stun him and push him in there
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About the Just a flesh wound penance; Do you have to go down once, or just have less than half hp?
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>>619113794
>Thunder charge is single target and doesn't have some sort of AoE aspect to it
This is the missing sauce. If the activated attack disintegrated the asshole you hit, and blasted adjacent assholes off their feet, it'd be a much more useful weapon. But that'd probably make it TOO useful. I'd say trade the sweep attacks for the assblaster, but then I'd probably be complaining about having no sweep attacks.

I'm just disappointed with the thunderhammer I guess.
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>>619113645
>more reliable cleave
you are just bad and cant do heavy, light attack combo? eviscerator shits all over the 1handed chainsword
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>noooooooooo you can't fight a chaos marine that's impossible in the lore!!!
lol lmao
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>still can't get in because of bugs.
Fuck this shit I have a 2090 super. I want to play a game without getting kicked to the main menu.
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>>619114170
That sounds fucking gay
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best weapon for just killing regular gunners? default lasgun, or the rapid fire accatran one?
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>>619114172
just low hp, run into the first group of enemies, then duck out when your invulnerability pops. Wait for a few minutes in a safe spot before running back out and the penance should trigger
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Most players can't handle malice difficulty, and it's really annoying.
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>>619114229

What CPU do youmwpaj have
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>>619114184
>>619114017
Compare it to the Eviscerator. Which, when activated, mulches through anything till it encounters a beefy boy, and then starts revving into that. The Thunder hammer could vaporize smaller mooks till it hits something sturdier. It should at least with that fucking long ass initial animation (You can cancel it halfway through I know) And that second of ending animation after you popped something.

Granted it should have some sort of penetration cap tied to a stat on the weapon.
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>>619114331
braced auto
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>>619114324
What if the incinerator sound has a shit ton of bass and reverb and drops your fps down to 10?
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>>619114085
Really? I've only noticed it with the Thunder Hammer myself, but if it's a general bug that's horrible. The absolute state of fatshark
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>>619114383
Intel Core i7-9700k
I could run fucking cyberpunk at launch better than this. I keep getting the "internal error 2007" or just "internal error" reports when I crash
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>>619114437
If I have to spend $12 on the expansion to play that mission, then we have a deal.
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Bros how the fuck am I supposed to get that OGryn penance to hit like 4 fucking ogryn mobs at one on heresy or harder?
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>>619114607
Load up Damnation and you will see 4 very easily
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>>619114502
Update your fucking drivers
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Buy me Darktide.
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>>619114607
on Damnation there's usually at least 4 ogryn close to the beginning of the level, just don't get fucked by everything else
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>>619114224
Flufflets say this.
Marines die on the regular.
A genestealer can crack open and finish off a terminator on a lucky ambush jump: that's been a thing since fucking Space Hulk.
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>>619114356
that worked, cheers
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>>619114682
I fucking did. I just checked and they are up to date
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>>619114703
Sure, send 50 bucks and i'll do that
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>>619114381
>Malice difficulty
>no Sons of Malice CSM boss
baka
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>>619114607
Gunno if this works in current beta though .think you need to be level 3 to get all 4 in one place
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>>619114184
Make it ONLY do sweep attacks except for the charged attack. Boom.
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>>619114780
Sent ;)
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>>619114224
Space sisters...that's impossible...
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>regular human yarrick takes down ghazghkull
>takes out chaos marines on the regular
>NOOOOOO the regular characters would be destroyed by a chaos marine in an instant!
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>>619114224
i don't get it
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what's going on on malice difficulty and what do you have to do to deal with it?
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>>619114656
>>619114724
>>619114807
How the fuck do you rush THROUGH them? I hit one and just fucking stop.
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Speaking of tip, I still see people in the cryo mission carrying the canister the entire time they deliver it, you DO know you can toss it from the first set of stairs to the second one, right anon?
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>Plasma gun is bad
wtf are people smoking? It one shots everything that isnt a monstrosity, yeah no shit the bolter will be better on diff 3 and below where everything dies regardless of weapon
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>>619113026
based
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Is it any good?
I keep heairing doomposters yammering about P2W, tencent involvement and no enemy variety
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>>619113280
I like it better.
40k is a cool setting and I like fighting Nurgle chaos spawn more than rats.
The guns are also fun as fuck and they nailed the bolter.
I couldn't really get into VT2, I put 50 or so hours in and it never clicked like Darktide has with me.
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>>619114046
With the weapons in the mid/late game it would be more than possible to kill a plague marine. Lore wise there are nurgle warbands of marines who aren't Death Guard tier gifted with nurgles blessings. But it would be pretty cool to have one as a boss where you basically have to shoot/chop one up until he's basically mush to put him down.
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>>619115043
>It one shots everything that isnt a monstrosity
That's the point, It doesn't on haz4+
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>>619115143
Even if they fixed the technical problems it would still be pretty mid fr fr
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>>619115143
We have no idea what the monetization will be yet. Enemy variety is fine.
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>>619114457
Yea, I've got downed several times just because the heavy sweep wind up of the devils claw machete gets stuck and drops limp instead of cleaving on releasing left click.
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>>619115143
It's fun but the lack of interesting /creative builds will seriously hurt the game. Most people here will prob drop it one week after release if I had to guess
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>>619115008
Need the feat, which means levelling up.
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>>619115008
Before level 30, you don't. If you want to do it before then you need them stacked in front of you but good fucking luck kiting the hordes with useless ass bots and fucking dogs spawning every 2 seconds
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>>619113026
WE GOT A NONCE, LADS, BASH ‘IM
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>>619115375
Thankfully I'm level 28.
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>playing with friend
>his aspie friend joins us
>continuously plays zealot and runs off to die away from the team
>aspie starts to explain "I started to slow down and let people catch up to me, otherwise they just die and I can't carry everything"
why are zealot players either the best frontline tanks, or literal retards with no inbetween?
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>>619115183
It sure does if you have an up-to-level one and pop volley with a fully charged shot.
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>>619113881
>Actually I encountered some chaos marine dialogue between characters earlier
Post it anon
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>>619115460
It's the same with Yasuo players, either absolute gods or the worse feeders.
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>>619112948
Bros I'm afraid about thr gradual release of classes and weapons after release because everything something new releases it would turn out like tf2 where everyone seems to use the same new weapon for a while. This and no same class restriction might make the game even worse.
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>>619114937
>regular human
>yarrick
He's dead so who cares. Also Yarrick is turbo buffed by the Ork psychic gestalt thinking he's their Satan. He literally benefits from the Orks thinking he is insanely strong.
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>>619115461
regardless of being all ogryns or not i always do that with those bosses, drop a medipac and tell everyone to just pile on the boss.
The problem is that on Heresy and above there is a combo from that boss that just one shots you if you dont get away.
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>>619115513
I don't know what that is
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>>619115461
>this is an optimal strat
what did fatshark mean by this
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>>619115461
top kek
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>>619113026
*BLAM*
>>619113449
Half the zealots I see are running it. We aren't sleeping on it.
On the subject of weapons people are sleeping on, when is the fucking meltagun coming out?
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>>619113165
Plasma is kinda worse than bolter in many ways except for one huge thing. Plasma does not care about the 10 mobs between you and the burster/bomber/trapper, plasma just kills them all. It also has a way faster draw than the bolter.
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>>619115626
>what he did doesn't apply because it would prove me wrong
lmao
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Void Staff is OP just shy of 120 kills in 10 seconds
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>>619115719
Wait plasma goes through all of them?
I never felt that, but maybe I'm being blind.
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>make it through malice as level 9-14 players with two grims
>get to the final rush to the end
>one guy dcs
>he reconnects
>this dcs the other 3 of us
>lose both grims because bots can't hold them
>end the level
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I have high hopes you will be able to keep your unlocks when the release happens. Still no definitive word on that right?
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>>619113803
It’s likely a daemonhost
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>>619114950
It's a calarts 40k metal slug ripoff where you play as a Freebooter (pirate) Ork. You can do some loudicrous shit like 1v1 a 10 meter tall robot with multiple weapons
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>>619115819
Eat shit secondary. The rejects arent anywhere near Yarrick.
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>>619115719
>Plasma does not care about the 10 mobs between you and the burster/bomber/trapper, plasma just kills them all. It also has a way faster draw than the bolter.
This sounds like nothing but upside. However I haven't touched Veteran so I don't know how strong his other options are besides the more basic lasguns and boltgun.
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>>619115819
Hush, he's not wrong, he literally thinks like an Ork and is strong as all fuck.
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>>619115491
Yeah, give me a minute. I need to reinstall Sony Vegas so I can start editing and compiling some stuff for a lot of footage I've been saving.

I'll post it soon
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I just got my first bolter and plasma as a vet at level 16, so if anyone is wondering it can appear as early as that
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>>619114937
Plot armor is plot armor, anon.

In lore, space marines of any make are too much for 4 humans and/or abhumans. An Ogryn can match the strength but not the cunning necessary to overtake a marine. A single chaos marine would be a death sentence for the main party of fucking worthless no-name nobodies.

Plot armor survives anything, but it doesn't help maintain consistency to lore. And holy fuck, lore is literally the only thing the wh40k franchise has going for it, and you're a fucking fool if you think it doesn't matter.
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>4 dudes take on Nurgle Daemons and mow thru thousands of heretic guards
>n-no they could never do that to muh (chaos) spess jobbers
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>>619115835
Go and try it, single shot mode just goes right through them. Charged shot however does not but you only need single for most stuff if you get em in the head.

>>619115895
It's a great upside but plasma is kinda bad at everything else but killing specials, shooting that shit at ranged mobs and you are gonna have to vent and reload a lot.
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>>619116054
>A single chaos marine would be a death sentence for the main party of fucking worthless no-name nobodies.
Maybe for a party of 4 veterans but for a party of 4 psykers? I don't think even a plague marine, the most durable, would stand a chance.
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>>619116119
Stop acting like a woman and reply go posts you have an issue with
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>Sniper spawns a little close to us
>Both Ogryn IMMEDIATELY bowling ball through him and I drive an axe through his skull
I love this game, 'ate snipahs though
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>>619113793
I understand your point but our rejects are pretty fucking OP.
Astartes are the fucking GOAT but they aren't invincible and they've been taken out by much less countless times.
A Death Guard squad would be too much to handle and would fucking steam roll us with no counter play if it was lore accurate, a single guy supported by plague Ogyrn and pox walkers could be a good final boss.
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>>619115883
At the most I think they'll just reset achievements or cosmetic drops, I haven't seen any experience bugs or gaming-of-the-system
Considering they haven't said anything about bugs yet, I think we're good
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>>619116184
4 vets with plasma guns would probably be able to turn him to slag if they got the drop on him desu
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>>619116054
We literally have plot armor
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>>619116216
cope
space marines are such jobbers that gw came up with spacer space marines in an attempt to make them look threatening again
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>>619116236
I'd much prefer if it was just a Plague marine with a living floor of Nurglings. Where are the nurglings. I want the little lords and Plaguebearers goddammit.
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>>619116054
It does matter, and its that exact lore that tells you that those 4 "nobodies" could kill your regular run of the mill chaos marine.
Hell, a single well placed plasma gun shot would blast one to death...
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>>619113026
I've never seen a faggot / slaaneshi cultist out themselves so quickly.
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I've finally found a shield and I've gotta say its pretty shit and forces you to play passively.
Any other weapon does the same shit when swinging and can actually kill
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>>619116265
If we get rocket launchers or helfire las then that would do as well.
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>>619112948
>love the atmosphere
>hate L4D style games

Everytime I try I get maybe 10 hours in and I just lose interest.
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Astartes are FAST like you wouldn't believe and Chaos Astartes are hyped up on Chaos Juice so killing one would be real difficult.
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>>619116403
skill issue and a you problem
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>>619116368
If there's Plaguebearers walking around a world, you'd need more than a penal battalion to purge it.
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>>619116315
Good, now keep that spine and stop acting like a nonce
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>>619116132
The charged shot goes through everything.
Its awesome to blast a horde in a narrow corridor...
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>>619116386
Shield is for the enforcer class of ogryn. They would make up for its downsides through class feats focusing on defense boosts for the entire team.
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>>619116483
I figured we are all that there is after the great rift.
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>>619116502
If you love space marines so much why don't you marry one
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>>619116452
Never said it was a problem with the games friend. =)
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>>619114937
Orks made Yarrick an unstoppable killing machine by believing him to be such. He's such a badass that he made the orks think that. And much like how Ork belief powered up Ghazzy it also powered up Yarrick.
>>619116236
>A Death Guard squad would be too much to handle and would fucking steam roll us with no counter play if it was lore accurate
Pretty much this. I can think of some ways for 4 Darktide acolytes to beat a Chaos space marine or maybe two but it wouldn't be easy at all.
>Ogryn bowls him over
>Acolytes unload on him with melta/plasma/boltgun (anything else will do nothing)
>Maybe try hitting him with power sword/force sword/ thunder hammer
>Marine dies
This is assuming of course that he doesn't just wreck the Ogryn with a burst from his boltgun.
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>>619116132
>>619115895
>>619113165
the plasma gun is essentially a railgun that overpenetrates targets to hit everything in a microscopically thin straight line
it has zero AOE damage and no ability to handle hordes because the firing rate is so slow and there's a huge downtime between pressing the mouse button and firing even the lowest powered basic shot
additionally, despite being suited to the role of sniping exclusively, the aiming on it is fucking terrible (huge fucking wide-open crosshair, no iron sights) and all but useless for anything further than a zealot's charge away, which makes it useless for handling most ranged specials
the ONLY thing the plasma gun is good at is burning the armored enemies - mauler and crusher; a fully charged shot will disintegrate the mauler instantly and it'll down the carapace ogryn in 3 shots - unfortunately, in the time you actually accomplish that with the plasma rifle, you could have drawn your bolter, emptied its magazine, and reloaded it

honestly, it needs a buff, and I really hope fatshark's idea of "buffing weapons" isn't to nerf all the other ones around it
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>>619116483
Morrow has already practically admitted that they've glassed at least one other Hive on the planet, meaning that the invasion is probably a lot more of a problem than what we're just seeing. With the Citrix Maledictum and Terra being moments away from another siege, Grendyl probably doesnt have any other resources at his disposal right now as it is. Why do you think he's just using whats on hand by taking advantage of a prison break?
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>>619116054
>lore is literally the only thing the wh40k franchise has going for it
The lore has always been a fucking mess. Canon changes depending on if you're talking about TT rules, video games, books, or even the back of the box of models. To say something "can't" happen is just fucking ignorant, 40k has always been about "your dudes" doing cool shit.
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>>619114213
Shit dodge though
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I've been killing tons of enemies with attacks mid-charge, am I doing something wrong? Is there a specific difficulty or weapon it has to be done with? Or is it just obeseshark at it again
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>Muh lore means we cant add x enemy
A normal soldier, a witch hunter, an elf, a dwarf and a bright wizard killed chaos champions, chaos spawn, grey seer warlocks, minotaurs and all kinds of shit. If you think the rejects cant kill a space marine you're just dumb. The only thing preventing them adding one as a boss is whether they want to, not the lore limitations.
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>getting hardcrash every time i start matchmaking quickplay all of a sudden
nice, im sure fatshark will make this game ready for release in 6 days
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>>619115675
Fatshark being retards who can't design a boss fight and need to add trash mobs and specialists into the fight for no reason.
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>>619116558
Ogryns dont have feats that give defense boosts.
You're literally just going to sit there blocking hits pretending to be useful.
The shovel and the cleaver easily does the same job of crowd control and has bonuses of killing things faster than the shield.
Shovel also lets you deal with carapace better while the cleaver is just a fast all around weapon for clearing mooks.
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>>619112948
>all these people believe death guard are too OP to be added as enemies
Lol. Just watch as Fatshark adds a death guard helbrute as a mini boss.
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As psyker i haven't found a staff i like more than the revolver or lasgun.
Any tips on what I should look for in a staff?
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Name one time a single, nameless, non-officer space marine had more impressive feats than our rejects.
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>>619116828
Best just to ignore them. Usually secondaries whose only touch with the setting are some awful memes and terrible wiki articles.
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>>619116962
Just get the void staff. Its the only good one.
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Is progress from the beta going to carry over when the full release happens next week, or will everything get reset?
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>>619116962
Void Staff is apparently fucking cracked
Get one
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>>619116917
>Ogryns dont have feats that give defense boosts
Not yet. That's what the enforcer class is for. It will be added some day.
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>>619116998
One of my models killed a necron monolith once.
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>>619116770
well yeah
equip a revolver with high mobillity if you wanna zoomzoom around. the evisc has good enough dodging
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>>619116876
I had the same problem just now. I selected not to join the game that crashed me and I was fine jumped right into another game.
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>>619116828
okay i hope abaddon gets killed by a gretchin in the books and angron gets killed by a rock dropping on him.
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>>619117046
official statement from devs is
lol we dunno maybe?
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Did matchmaking just die? I've been DCed 6 times in a row just trying to get into a mission.
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>>619115675
maybe they shouldn't have made the boss immune to ranged damage if they wanted people to do anything else

>>619116828
I specifically remember in my old Caiaphas Cain and Gaunt's Ghosts novels (although I now find it embarrassing that I used to spend so much money on black library "literature") that both Cain and Gaunt each faced down a chaos space marine and took it down with the support of only a few of their troopers
admittedly those troopers had, respectively, a melta gun and a krak launcher, they weren't exactly going at it with lasguns
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>>619116998
>Name one time a single, nameless
>Name
>Nameless
I like your brand of retardation. Keep it up.
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>>619113205
Less accuracy, and less damage per shot.
Charged up plasgun absolutely obliterates whatever you hit, doubly so if it was during veteran active.
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>>619117082
Or I could use the chainsword which has decent dodge, good crowd clear and most importantly you can do an instant special charged attack that deletes elites? Eviscerator is fucking wank to use with the special because the charged is a sweep.
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>>619115713
An EDF-style game where you can play as an Eldar fighting off hordes of 'nids and can choose any of te different aspects as classes would be good.
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>>619117103
I hope so too, Abaddon is a shit character in an even shitter faction
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>>619117204
>Less accuracy, and less damage per shot.
this doesn't mean anything when the F ability gives all your guns perfect accuracy, and when the bolter can fire 15 times in the space the plasma gun can fire once
the DPS on the bolter is simply unrivalled
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>>619117329
t.butthurt eldar fan
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When it says "Scales with Stamina" does that mean more stamina = more damage?
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>>619117262
>decent dodge
so does the evisc
>good crowd clear
laughable compared to evisc
maybe the special is slightly better, but who cares
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>>619117103
Too based to happen
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>>619117313
Better idea.
Action game where you play as an autarch and thus use and combine different aspect weapons and gear to develop your own playstyle.
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>>619117392
doesn't matter, because the operative word there is "up to", meaning you won't do better than 3% extra power, but you can do worse
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>>619117262
chainsword deletes elites in malice and below (sometimes not even on malice depending on the enemy).
Try that in Heresy and you will get fucked real quick.
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>>619117392
That would be the logical conclusion, yes. Alternatively you can test it in under 5mins by just going in to the training area.
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Trying to do the Preacher penance where you kill 50 stunned enemies
Is it still bugged to not work on Malice? Heard a few anons say you can only get it on Heresy despite the description saying otherwise.
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>>619117519
Its also a level 15 item so I would assume it'd do more later.

>>619117541
Training area?
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OFFICIAL PSYKER WEAPON TIERLIST
Voidstrike staff>recon las>kantrael xii las>Purgatus staff>kantrael iv>Surge staff>everything else>Trauma staff
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Anyone else forced to play on a vpn due to constant internal_error / error 2007
How we feeling
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>>619116828
Normal humans could take out chaos champions and beasts though.
One elector count double KOd a beast lord who had previously killed a black orc warboss in single combat
Felix Jaeger took on chaos warriors in Karag Dum and went utterly apeshit in Praag and slaughtered a band of Marauders and Gors.
That’s ignoring the fact that Dwarfs and Elves are far better than baseline humans, particularly a way watcher and former ironbreaker.
The main inconsistency is grail knight Kruber not curb stomping everything solo
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>>619117450
Mate the dodge on eviscerator is straight up shit. And I'll absolutely swap some horde clear efficiency for much better elite and special killing. Hordes are the most trivial part of this game.
Eviscerator is way more satisfying though, that one I cant argue with.
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>>619117524
I've been playing Heresy so whats your point?
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>>619117594
psykhanium
The place where you do the basic/advanced tutorial after the prologue
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>>619117594
Meat Grinder in the Psykhanium has enemies for testing purposes. You could easily test damage differences there while at full/0 stamina.
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>>619117169
Meltas are kinda designed to.... well, melt space marine armor.
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>>619113881
>I've been saving a bunch of the dialogue I've been encountering, this game has so fucking much

Are you being sarcastic? I seem to get the exact same dialogues about the pilot being trustworthy or not wanting to get on the commissar's bad side every single mission.
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>>619117686
the dodge really isnt that shit, you dont need knife tier mobillity on fucking zealot
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>>619116962
guns remain pretty viable since you can deal with strays and ranged trash well. Otherwise, keep in mind that the higher your level is the better the Staff's stats become, meaning lesser charge time, higher AoE radius and the like. The first few staves are trash no matter the type because of that, so keep close look on the stats. I like all staves for different reasons, but i like the lightning staff least, because it takes too much peril for my tastes and you can cast fucking anywhere and hit shit regardless. Also, on higher level staves quelling peril becomes faster than the quelling while having burst equipped
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>>619113026
OVER THERE MISTER INQUISITOR
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>space marines die to plasma guns all the time
>THEY CANT ADD A SPACE MARINE BOSS BECAUSE, BECAUSE THEY JUST CANT KILL IT, OK?
lold
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>>619117829
You need mobility on everyone thanks to fatshark being braindead and making melee hits bleed through toughness?
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>>619117795
well it's a good thing that melta guns are in the game!
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>>619117103
Didn't something like that happen in warhammer fantasy end times where a very important named character gets assassinated by a skaven gutter runner.
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>>619117772
>>619117789
Son of a bitch, I swear I don't remember seeing that option, maybe it unlocked at some point, I dunno. Anyways, its more stamina = more damage.
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>>619117893
I told you to stop acting like a woman and/or nonce, fella
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>>619117957
>end times
Theres your answer.
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>>619117040
>>619117049
What level do those start showing up?
I'm level 20, have I been unlucky in not seeing one?
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>4 zealots
>3 male and 1 female all with different voices
>constant chatter about loving my Empruh and ability shouts
this was kino
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>>619114807
There's only 3 of them.
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>>619117957
Not canon
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>>619117957
Thorgrim gets assasinated by some rat, yes
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>>619118027
Think you've just been unlucky.
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>>619117957
End times, and its not canon.
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>>619112948
why the FUCK is everyone in the warhammer toy store OBESE??
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>>619117930
Not only that, it kills through toughness.
I found that out the hard way.
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>>619117930
uh just get good sweaty :)
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>>619117935
Dataminers found an icon for them, presumably they haven't been unlocked yet
Just like the Ogryn power maul
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>>619117957
You're probably thinking of the dwarf High King being assassinated by Deathmaster Snikch, which made a lot of people butthurt

But Snikch isn't a gutter runner, he's the Skaven's best assassin
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>>619114756
There's some menu fuckery you can pull to get half decent frames. I've heard setting the in game volume to 50% helps and so does turning off the 1.0 shader option in the launcher because you can cause weird conflicts if the shader settings don't match in the in game settings (they are mismatched by default)
There's a steam thread that takes you through a lot of the discovered work arounds to the bad optimization and some of them worked for me.
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>>619117363
You don't need dps when you 1 tap shit. Also im pretty sure plasma has infinite pierce, at least if you charge it up, regular shots have pretty decent pierce too.

Ok, i did a quick test between the 2. Plasgun on a carapace ogryn hits for 1.5k~ damage with a charged hit. A boltgun is hitting for 115 dmg. Thats the 2 weapons i have closest in gearscore that i could find. (345 and 342, all shots center mass, since boltgun can only compete if you rapid fire unload)

Neither is neccesarrily my favourite, but if you have to compare them, i would still say that plasma wins, as longa s you don't mind managing the heat. If you dislike the heat, just go with boltgun.
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>>619118371
>I've heard setting the in game volume to 50% helps
wait thats not a meme?
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>>619118132
>Not only that, it kills through toughness.
It's bad enough you can take HP damage at full toughness but it's fucking bullshit that you can die to that chip damage. Who thought that was a good idea?
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>>619118132
Yeah its an absolute joke.
Its also the reason why a single hit makes you stagger out of reviving or carrying an object.
This mechanic wasnt in the closed beta and the game was way more fluid to play there.
Someone at Fatshat needs an axe to the skull asap for coming up with this trash idea.
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>>619112948
I'm vexed. Whenever it comes out on console, I want to start either as ogryn or zealot. Which is more useful to the team?
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What's the point of anti-horde ranged weapons? Do people really need anything other than melee to clear hordes?
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either the servers or shit or there is some real fuckery with the running attack hitbox, probably both. I've dodged poxwalkers running attacks and have like 5 feet of space yet the game still registers it as a hit
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>>619117957
Lol thorgrim who was a fucking incarnate of grungni or something got killed off unceremoniously and then gelt gets his incarnate power who also gets backstabbed. End times is dog shit.
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>>619118551
Why not be safe while staggering the whole fucking pack and not be surprised by a rager in the hoard that makes your weapon bounce and then suddenly you take a bunch of damage.
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>>619118551
Less risky to flamer a horde down than it is to wade in and take chip damage from laggy/buggy attacks
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>>619113026
Mary where the FUCK are you?
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>>619117827
No I've actually been getting a ton, there's a lot of subtle ones and a lot of big ones the characters talk about
Ogryns tend to ask a lot of questions about big events and get pretty harrowing answers too
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Why did /v/ say the Catachan's Devil Claw Sword is shit? It's great for crowd control and the Parry skill even works on Bosses (haven't tried the monster bosses yet, but confirms it works on the bosses at the end of an Assassination mission) too.
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>>619118371
I'll look into it. Thanks
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>>619118551
saves time, helps if there's also elites / boss to worry about, looks cool
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>>619118551
Use the combat axe then you’ll understand
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>>619118780
/v/ is notoriously shit at videogames. They are literally below average. You will find a few people who are great, but the general posted will be an absolute shitter.
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It's so sad that the Professional sounds like an airsoft larper instead of an Imperial Guard badass like Sgt. Merrick.
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>>619118848
this. any game that people drop a party link for, the people end up absolutely fucking terrible. i remember SWAT4 days. they werent even trolling - they were just absolute shit at aiming, taking cover, moving, everything
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>>619118551
>whats the point
instead of taking 20 sec to clear an endless horde room you take 4 and avoid spawning even more elites
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>>619118848
you must be 18 years old to browse 4chan
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>>619118881
When do we get that gas mask+helmet cosmetic? It's even there when you first choose an Operative to make.
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>>619118551
Hordes main threat comes from chain weapons and thunder hammers accidentally hitting ads instead of their intended target in melee. Deleting a horde with a couple quick bursts of penetrating stubber ammo solves that problem, but the Veteran will make fun of you for it.
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>>619116119
if you dont think we kill a csm and get a space marine (at least scout) career you dont know fatshart
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>>619119043
Wait for the first cosmetic DLC.
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>>619118780
It's a good horde clear weapon, but has little more going for it. Meanwhile, most other options have some kind of horde option, or incredible single target capabilities, often both.
It's not bad, but sword in general are a bit out-paced by the more special4wmh0ized options.
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>>619118881
Dan Abnett hasn't improved in 20 years. In fact, he's gotten worse. He only has one personality for Imperial Guard trooper characters with minor differences between them.
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>>619118780
>>619118848
it's not the catachan sword that's shit, that's great

the vostroyan heavy sword is. IDK wtf is wrong with it, but it does like NO dmg. I have to wail on pox walkers to get any kills with it, while the sword takes 1 or 2 hits.

>>619119087
Marines are a never ever you dingus dongus. Why would you even want them? Get your own game, ffs.
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>>619119260
When is Dan going to finish the bequin trilogy?
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How come I never see anyone talking about the shotgun? Does it fall off at higher difficulties or something? I just used one for a couple levels and it absolutely fucks. I don't have to time dodges for hounds/ragers/muties any more, I just mash left click in their general direction. ADS fire is so accurate I can headshot a squad of gunners from half a mile away, like pop pop pop watch motherfuckers drop. And the special ammo is a great way to start a horde fight by headshotting the first eight guys with the first shot and staggering the rest to buy time to swap to melee.
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>>619119353
Soon tm
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>>619119087
Do chaos marines even have scouts? Don't they functionally never die, just go back to the warp and reform?
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>>619119262
The Vostroyan sword CAN do damage, but you have to line up the cleave with heads to get weakpoint damage. If you do that, it performs alright, while having a few single-target attacks that do good damage against elites. I still don't like the sword, though, but I admit it CAN be used well.
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>>619119035
Shitter detected.

The biggest realization that /v/ is indeed garbage is when i tried playing ragnarok with them. A had a ton of great players, meanwhile /v/ were absolute shitters that would rather sabotage eachother in a race to the bottom.
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>>619119409
I guess most people don't try it out due to video game shotguns being usually trash. I use it myself. It's pretty funny how it can pop snipers well over 60 meters away in just 2-3 shots.
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>power level memeing in 40k
It's whatever the author writing at the time decides.

In Gaunt's Ghosts a handful of guardsmen wipe out an entire Thousand Sons unit coming through a portal with LASGUNS.

In Souldrinkers, a marine assault squad kills ten thousand mutants on a space station by themselves.
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>>619119409
bolter one shots everything
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>>619119262
like kruber becoming a grail knight was? i hope no marines become playable because it's going to be cancer but it would be the fastest selling DLC and you know that, and you know how fatshark is about selling DLC
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>>619119409
Nobody talks about it because it's good without any nuance. There's no need to discuss it. You're absolutely right, though, it's an amazing gun for short to mid-range killing. That said, other options will out-perform it if you want to specialize more depending on range, but it's a fantastic all-rounder.
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>>619119262
I love the guard as much as anyone mate, but if you think fatshark is gonna miss out on the spehs mahrine money you are gonna be surprised, CSM one of the earliest added bosses, marine career near the end of the game lifespan almost guaranteed
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>>619119353
>>619119430
It took around 10 years between 1st and 2nd book. So soon
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>>619119596
In Helsreach a marine gets his power armor penetrated by an ork boy with a normal ass spear.
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>>619119409
I tried it, less horde clear and damage than the bolt gun.
Less damage and clear than the plasma gun.
Waaaaay less accuracy for hitting weak points than the MGXII lasgun.
Honestly, that lasgun is my favourite allrounder so far.
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>>619119043
>>619119043
It's the last reward for doing all the Veteran challenges. Tier 2 helm is with mask but no goggles
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>>619119409
bolter just outclasses it, shotgun was fun during levelling tho
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>>619119409
It's aesthetically insufficiently cool.
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>>619118780
I personally don’t use it because it feels incredibly unsatisfying (it sounds like swishing a reed even if you’re cleaving heads), and I’ve never needed horde clear as a priority. I’ve only ever died to hordes because something else, which another weapon could kill more easily, was added to the mix
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>>619119731
After several weeks of fighting orks nonstop, killing thousands of them, without proper support and maintenance.
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>>619119632
>Ogryn already has the general body mass of a space marine
>Bolt guns and Eviscerators are already in the game
SMs are coming. No idea how they'd balance it but it's too easy and too iconic to not put in the game.
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I haven't played Vermintide 2 is literal years, did you have to level up DLC classes when they released and shit or how did it work?

>tfw missed beastmen and whatever the fuck chaos memes map thingamabob
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>>619119931
No, it was a relatively fresh marine.
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>>619112948
SAH, YES SAH!
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>>619119942
that's the trick, they don't balance it.
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>>619119731
lmao a guy in full armor getting penned by a stick how dumb
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Are any of the Psyker staffs worth using at all?

I've tried a few and they're extremely underwhelming even compared to some of the shittier gun types
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meltas WHEN
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>5 gb update
What did they break this time?
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>>619119942
if they do add them it'll be some sort of infinite horde mode like the Chaos Wastes or something.
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>>619119731
there was that time a chaos lord got killed by a normal guardsman who just headshotted him since said chaos lord was of the "helmets? lol?" school of thought
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>>619120136
They said they were adding one more mission type.
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>>619117930
Lmao, just admit youre a shitter from the start
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>>619112948
goyslop
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>>619120136
I don't see an update in steam.
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Power Sword will be nerfed.
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Can't wait for nerfs because people had too much fun.
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>>619120136
some map that seems to crash my game when it launches
and crashes when I try to rejoin it
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>>619120349
restart, thats what I did
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>>619119064
Veteran main here. I don't make fun of you for that. I make fun of my bullets turning 180 degrees in mid air hitting you.
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>>619120092
no ammo
staff stats become more powerful as you get higher levels, increasing aoe, decreasing cast time etc
there's feats that work with staff damage
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>>619116054
>lore
40k is a tabletop wargame. A typical space or chaos marine is worth somewhere roughly between 2 and 3 regular imperial guard members, 4 characters of the kind of power level Darktide characters are at including fucking psykers and ogryns would obliterate one instantly.
>but the books
None of that secondary shit matters, and even if it did power levels go up and down and all over the fucking place in those anyway, so you could justify literally anything from them.
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>>619120506
Happened literally as I checked steam after your post.
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https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1361210/view/3485252139448456244
>Deepening Customization
>Added Chirurgeon of the Mourningstar
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THEY ADDED COSMETICS SHOP
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>>619114937
>regular human yarrick
eat shit faggot.
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>>619120567
Agree +
The SM debate ended when our heroes defeated a Beast of Nurgle
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>>619119962
Nah, it's just a forth career to choose, if you have already leveled the character you can play on 30. Or 35, I don't remember the level cap.
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>>619120432
> ogre now has 50% less toughness
> reduce all grenade blast radius
> ranged weapons now do 50% less on armored enemies
> ammo drops have been reduced
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Is there a Chaos Space Marine as a boss in the game?
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>>619120618
>>619120646
>still no new maps
HOLY FUCK
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>>619120741
no but you fight demons instead
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>>619115884
Now this would be a power level issue. A daemonhost is capable of soloing a titan
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>>619120567
Yup and if we are getting an SM boss it's gonna be a braindead Plague marine and a decked out team of (You)'re caliber can kill them. If people are still going for "much lore" shit just think of it as our PCs being named characters with a bit of plot armor.
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>>619120910
You did it! Tertium is saved!
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>Complete a mission as Zealot on Malice only running melee
>Don't get the penance
Why? That's twice now.
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>>619121254
It's probably bugged. You need to do it on Heresy.
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>>619121302
Bloody hell
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>>619121302
No I got it through malice mode by joining a quick play game when it was about to end
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>>619115491
https://files.catbox.moe/g2cg93.mp4
Here we are

The Psyker also says afterwards:
"Their very existence is a heresy... I'd not mention this discussion to the Inquisitor." a short bit later.
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>>619117169
Don´t know abput Gaunt, but according to the inquisitor Val he is one of, if not the, best non superhuman duelist in the whole galactic sector.
He barely managed to not get killed by the Chaos for a few moments because that was a berserker who thought he was splitting dead meat and then Jurgen, a veteran of countless battles, a crack shot and to dumb to feel fear as long as his commissar is there shoots him point blank with a melta.
Also Jurgen is a psychic blank, no chaos juice for the Marine here.
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A few people told me Zealot is the best all-round class. While I main Zealot and like it, I completely disagree. What makes them the "best class"?
I know their weapons are good, but their feats and ability honestly aren't that great. The ability especially sucks since a single stray bullet can knock you out of it and all the toughness you gained gets completely ripped from you.
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>no more black and red
THANK FUCK
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>>619121656
Their ability to be the last man standing that saves the day and the run.
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>5GB update
>not a word from Fatshark
CAM ON YA SWEDES
POST SOME FAKIN PATCHNOTES
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>>619121639
Playing the doubles advocate, Amberly white knights Cain quite a lot, since she assumes fellow inquisitors will be reading.
It’s surprisingly cute
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>>619113332
Sounds like a typical cata game, no idea what their issue is.
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>>619120602
what is happening in this gif?
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>>619121792
anon...
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>>619113280
The banter are characters are pretty fucking ass compared to v2 but the gameplay is good
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what perks are my zealot homies using?im getting slapped at later difficulties
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>>619121792
Sorry you don't understand, it's snowing alot there.
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Anons, I'm sorry. It's just too buggy. Too unoptimized.
I have to refund.
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>>619122084
Which nobody could have seen coming in late November.
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>added purchaseable cosmetics
>no error 2007 fix that is stopping many from playing without a vpn
t-thanks...
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>trying to do the charging mutant while dashing penance for preacher
>several close calls where maybe i hadn't actually gotten it
>finally land it perfectly
>didn't complete
What am I doing wrong? He was charging and I killed him. Is dashing my Chastise the Wicked skill? I was absolutely certain that I managed to do it but it just didn't complete.
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>>619119890
How are shotguns not cool?
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>>619121817
>Amberly white knights Cain quite a lot,
How come? She tries to say he is a self centered prick without saying it out loud.
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>THE MELTA IS IN
THE MELTA IS IN
>THE MELTA IS IN
Posting a screenshot after fiddling with my graphical settings so you don't mock me
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>>619122205
Is it full moon? So no, you're not getting the penance.
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>>619122205
It's bugged. Some people who have that penance said that they got it by killing a stationary mutant.
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>>619122276
Bullshit who can use it
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>>619122205
ya have to hold in the F buttan to lock onto the mutant and then release
t. It was revealed to me in a dream
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>>619122276
you post it now or by the emperor i will burn you at the stake
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>>619122372
The Premium DLC Ogryn Gunner only.
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>>619122276
>tfw it's an ogryn weapon
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CRAFTING IS OUT, I REPEAT CRAFTING IS OUT (only upgrading)

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1361210?emclan=103582791467886694&emgid=3485252139455688548
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>>619121254
>>619121432
I've done two now, one joing through quick play and haven't got it on malice.
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>>619122068
What weapons are you using
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>hear in a previous thread from multiple veterans who haven't got there Bolter guns
>reach 15 on Preacher
>get the bolter gun straight away
So is this gun any good for me or would I be better off sticking with something else?
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who the fuck
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>>619122606
bolter is one of the best guns in the game atm
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>>619122558
its time to upgrade my ogryn gears

>>619122606
it is a special enemy annihilator not for horde clearing so you better get some swipers with melee.. one you wanna get is crit stats with bolter that shit one shots pretty most of fuckers even at heresy level.. bad ammo amounts tho
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>>619122597
the hammer right now and las gun
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>>619122606
flamer is better for zealot since zealot doesnt have the perks to make best use of it, its not bad and if you have concerns about your teammates ability to wreck specials its a good option
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>Patch released
>Penances now bugged
>Some levels straight up aren't letting you progress
Thanks fatshart, but at least you added cosmetics, right?
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I wont lie, bosses have been getting pretty easy
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>>619122870
its in beta anon
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>>619122250
It’s mainly when she tends to downplay his self doubts, clarify any potential heretical lines as jokes, and point out that even if he is telling the truth, he did such a good job of acting that it doesn’t make a difference.
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>>619122929
Not an excuse, apologist.
The game is meant to be fully released in less than a week.
They won't fix it by then.
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>>619122915
wait what happened
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is this actual deaths or downs too?
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>>619122929
I'm sure they'll fix everything in the 6 days until the full release.
Fatshark is one of the most competent developers out there, no way they'll leave gamebreaking bugs.
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>>619120136
For me? The game.
Used to get 1 dc or crash every 10 missions or so. Now i don't have a single mission without crashing or dc. If i que with friends its even worse. It becomes literally unplayable. Last attempt was 3 missions, all 3 in a row we had at least 1 in the party lose all mission progress at the end and get no reward.
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>>619123043
>deaths =/= downs
Gee, Anon, what do you think?
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>>619122775
>Hammer
Purify in blood/Enemies within, enemies without.
Punishment or Retribution, depending how aggresive you want to play
Benediction
Thy Wrath be Swift (Honestly with the hammer expect a lot of chip damage that can stop your big swings)
Rising Conviction or honour the martyr (Again, how aggro you are)
Fury of the Faithful or Purge the Wicked
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>>619123043
just deaths, that might actually be the easiest one
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>>619123010
>The game is meant to be fully released in less than a week.
Hahaha. Lol! LMAO!

It will go into early access in a week, this is alpha shit you're playing.
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Should I?
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The Power Sword.... its so bad.
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>>619123203
I dislike the Hammer myself, but if you enjoy it, yes. Momentum is such a good trait on the hammer/eviscirator
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>>619114331
I have an accatran pattern that has +20% damage to flak armor, seems to rip pretty good.
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>>619123203
the hammer is kinda underwhelming to me, prefer the chain swords
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>>619122705
Aeronautica Imperialis.
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>>619123230
The fuck are you on about. Its fucking great. Straight up cleaves ogryn in half.
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>>619118027
I got one at 19 so just unlucky I guess
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>>619123414
bullshit that's Kenny Loggins
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>>619123460
Yeah, well, just keep your power swords off of her, huh pal?
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>>619123203
I bought something similar with my superbucks, regretted it immensely.
Thunder hammers are garbage
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>>619114381
The game will always be a shit challenge if enemies spawn behind players
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>>619123203
yes

>>619123243
>>619123369
skill issue
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I shan't be playing ogryn until they get assault cannons
simple as
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>>619123860
It's your own fault if between 4 players you can't choose at least one to cover your backs. In fact, why aren't you doing it, pug scrub?
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>>619117169
Cain also unintentionally kills a chaos space marine in melee combat.
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>>619116828
Reminder that a witch hunter general has killed a high elf prince in a duel before, sword to sword. Warhammer humans are about as "normal" as fucking Conan is compared to the modern day slob.
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>>619123203
go for it and ignore the shitters saying not to.
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>>619123984
>implying a fucking witch hunter general is an average representation of human in WH universe
Man you're dumb. You're really dumb. Fuck you, dummy!
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>>619123984
>>619116828
Also remember that dudes with pikes and muskets have killed daemons before.
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>>619123939
Why are you making excuses for cyberpunk police tier game design
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>>619122247
nobody cares what your toon looks like
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>>619124087
Stay mad, shitter. :^)
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>>619124097
Please post your dudes, anons.
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>>619123939
the game spawns shit behind you if a single person simply lags behind because they dont have good sprint weapons it's obnoxious.
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>>619124234
Why? They pretty much all look the same with the few options the game gives you.
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>>619123119
anon i dont fucking know, these retards have zero consistency in the language they use.
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>>619122705
It's probably an easter egg. A developer or a friend who died. Or a reference to a famous photo.
>>619123529
Guess he's gonna fly you right into the danger zone then
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK0P1Bk8Cx4
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Tell me bout DA EMPRUH
So what I've heard is for 15,000 years hes been waging war to spread humans across the universe(s).

But what set him off on doing so? Were vermin niggers coming to earth and killing us humans so he went adolf on their asses?

Were some kind of other aliens threatening to buck break us?

Whats the kharkin gist guvnuh
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>>619124195
CONSOOOOOOM
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>downloaded the update
>game now crashes whenever I start loading into the hub
Thanks Fatshark
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>>619124360
He had a son named Horus who fucked him in the ass so hard he now has to sit on his cuck throne all day.
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>>619124432
They noticed some players were still not experiencing constant crashes, so they fixed that.
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>>619124473
To be honest, he should have seen it coming, with Horus' last name literally being Heresy.
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Oh so you can buy reskins for armor you've already unlocked. That's cool. I was getting tired of red.
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>>619124083
That just means the ubersreik gang are on a similar level. Nothing about them being humans stops them from killing a bunch of fantastical shit. Nigger.
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>>619124548
Why yes, I actually had very few crashes before, so now they're making me catch up with the previously more unfortunate players by making the game crash every time I start it, lovely.
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The Emperor will commit to the Greater Good or be eliminated.
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>>619124097
>toon
troon
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>>619124703
Wrong, they are all Heroes with a capital H. Common civilians died by the millions.
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>Hadron Omega-7-7, the Mourningstar's resident Tech Priest, will now be offering her services at the Shrine of the Omnissiah
UOGHHHHH SEGSSSS
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Seeing a lot less Ogryn than I thought I would tbqhm8ofmine
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SEXY OMNISSIAH LADY IS LIVE.
OFFERS YOU HER 'SERVICES'
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>>619124967
>organic hand
disgusting
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>>619124932
They pop up on fireteams now and again. Thus far, Veteran seems far and away to be the most popular choice.
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>>619124967
post screenie of the next menu
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>wahmen guardsmen
lol
lmao even
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>>619124967
BY SIGMAR'S HAMMER, WHAT GREAT SAVINGS!
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>>619124734
*stands next to you* Oops, guess you're locked in an engagement. Oh well.
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>>619124967
>Entreat Hadron
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>>619123460
>He doesn't know

>>619123230
I appreciate you anon
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THE ARMOURY SELLS SHITTY COSMETICS AND WEAPONS SKINS FOR IN-GAME GOLD GUYS.
Wooooow!
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So, who wants to bet that they'll use people getting around their retarded penance systems as justification to reset progress?
>Something something "it wouldn't be fair to all the people who worked hard to do them legit so we'll punish everyone for our retarded design"
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>>619115889
>loudicrous
Lol
But yeah game was fun but short.
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>>619125268
Probably.
They do that and I'm refunding.
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>>619125268
If there's a reset I'm refunding before the beta is over simple as
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>>619125268
Of course they will, anon - of course they will.
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>>619125242
We knew this would be in though, its the same stuff they did for VT2. Except gold is very easy to get while shillings were annoying
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>>619125268
I hope they do this. I don't care about my zealot and it would be hilarious reading the "REFUNDED" and "Guys this is actually a good thing" posts.
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>>619125268
Nah, they'll just give out a free hat to the honest players.
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>>619125268
even if they would do that, couldn't they just reset the specific problematic items?
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>>619125317
>>619125325
Heh, no you won't - the usual preorder refund window doesn't apply here since it's labeled as beta. Fatshart got your money and they ain't giving it back.
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>>619125451
Are you seriously asking that? They're one of the most inept devs around and you're asking that?
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>>619125537
dunno m8 their game seems pretty neat to me
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I keep hearing people saying the hammer is shit? What's so bad about it and what is a better melee weapon to use instead?
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>>619125616
Hammer is great. Anyone who says is shit has brain rot.
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>>619125616
Its a Thunder Hammer vs. Eviscerator debate
People like the Eviscerator all around and Thunder Hammer has some drawbacks
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>>619114224
orkz have the power of warp bs on their side. some random (ab)humie doesn't
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>boss shield explodes
>activate thunder hammer
>activate zealots perk
>charge up heavy attack with perk that adds power scaling on heavy charging
>40% the boss
holy shit
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>>619125616
Hammer is shit (compared to Eviscerator)
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>>619125616
Its not bad from what i have seen, the issue most people have is that they are adverse to fun, and have to minmax everything because they are shitters. So instead of fixing the downside of the hammer which is the worse aoe clear with their other weapon, they just use the eviscerator which is just as good at single target but slightly better with cleaving enemies.
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>new warzone conditions
>it's all just Endless Horde still, no other modifiers
What the actual fuck is going on? I actually kinda liked the power interruption ones.
Anyway they probably won't reset because they're already on damage control and it's the last thing they need
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>>619125801
dude that aint all
find that hammer with crit stat
it goes even crazier
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>>619118551
I use my melee purely as a single-target boss killer, it's pretty shit for horde clearing. Plus my ranged staff clears entire hordes around me and all of my allies in a fraction of the time it would take to melee, then we can all get back to elite killing.
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Cadia Stands
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>>619112948
GUYS
GUYS LISTEN
WHAT IF
WHAT IF WE JUST
MAKE EVERYONE BELIEVE IN THE GOD EMPEROR SO MUCH
HE BECOMES A MORE POWERFUL BEING THAN THE CHAOS GODS
IMAGINE
INSTEAD OF ROTTING NURGLE PUSS, THE GOD EMPEROR JUST GIVES PEOPLE GIANT DICKS TO SLAP CHOAS RATS WITH
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https://youtu.be/C3HXYNOzW6A
Jesper Kyd, the composer that did the Darktide/Vermintide 2 soundtrack made this masterpiece for Hitman Bloody Money.
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>>619112948
STOP SHILLING THIS UNOPTIMISED HALF BAKED PIECE OF SHIT U FATSHART FUCKS
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>>619126007
In rubble yeh

-this post was brought to you by CHAOS
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>>619124360
>But what set him off on doing so? Were vermin niggers coming to earth and killing us humans so he went adolf on their asses?
>
>Were some kind of other aliens threatening to buck break us?
yes

thats the part people gloss over when they talk about how oh so hateful the Imperium is. Previously, humanity had a galaxy wide empire. It was enlightened, multicultural, and embraced AI and alien intelligences. Technology soared.

Then, the shitstorm happened - or it might be more correct to say Warpstorm. Off in their own corner of the Galaxy, the Eldar Empire literally and figuratively fucked themselves so hard it gave birth to a new God, one of excess and degeneracy and lust. The process of this was long and took tons of time, and caused huge disturbances in The Warp.

The Warp is the unreal dimension that overlaps ours, it's made purely from the thoughts and dreams of mortal beings. Thus the disposition of those beings has a profound effect on it. Thanks to the Eldars ongoing self fucking, their long and cataclysmically destructive war with another race called the Necrontyr (now the Necrons), and admittedly yes the mass proliferation of the human species because of how readily we ripple in the warp, what was once a 'sea of souls' where beings would go after they die and reincarnate or disapate as they would became a ravening hell dimension filled with disruptive storms and daemons hungry to consume the souls of the living and spread the misery of the emotional extremes that had spawned them. Greatest among them are the four entities known as The Four Chaos Gods, who each associate and are made up of cardinal emotions and aspects of life. At least two of them have a direct germination that can be derived from humanity, while the Eldar one (Slaanesh) is almost entirely them. However while the human gods would be created accidentally over time, the Eldar created theirs by literally fucking themselves to death over the span of a millenia.

But onto what happened
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>>619126113
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>>619125317
no you won't piggy :)
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>Hit 25 on my Zealot
>Already feeling kinda bored with how little variety there is especially with the possibility of a wipe
>They still havent added any new events and conditions yet despite promising to for week 2
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Thing is with the new currencies what's to stop people rushing ahead like retards to get it in boxes?
Or is it a case of 'You find it and pick it up and everyone gets it' deal?
Because otherwise it's just asking for fucked runs.
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>>619126375
It's shared, doesn't matter who loots it.
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>>619125325
no you won't piggy
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>>619126371
you will be surprised when you witness the event they added this week
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>>619126007
Cadia?
Never heard of her.
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>>619121639
It's in the very first Gaunt's Ghost novel, very early on relatively speaking
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>>619126041
that's exactly what is happening, except the golden throne prevents his spirit of leaving his body to really Evolve, sadly should the throne ever fail terra, that is earth, would implode into a warp asshole like the eye of terror.

i welcome it, but it will never happen because that would be to radical for games Shitshop.

HUmanity truly unbound, Kill the Imperium, Start again with the holy empire of mankind
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>>619126161
The Human Galactic federation or whatever it was called was extremely prosperous for a time. However, the increasing fuckery in the warp caused in part by the proliferation of life and in other part by the fucking Eldar, began to have deliterious effects not only on space travel but reality itself. Warp Storms began to isolate huge swathes of the galaxy, making travel impossible. Entire star systems were cut off and isolated for centuries at a time.

At the same time, possibly due to the warp disturbance, or possible due to the natural progression of such intelligences, the A.I. that served Humanity had a massive uprising/civil war. Completely automated superweapons had differences of opinion and split on whether or not they should stick with humanity, replace them, or just fuck off and escape the galaxy as it became increasingly apparent (to them) just what the fuck was coming. This was probably exacerbated by the warp, as A.I. are not immune to demonic influence, and often lack the mental protections an organic mind might have (such as ignorance, sheer stubborness, or irrational faith - a purely rational mind cannot hope to comprehend the Warp because it's anathema to such things).

So the human empire was very quickly double fucked. Half it's military power was trying to kill it or escape, no one could be sure of the loyalty of the other half, important sectors were vanishing beneath carpets of supernatural fuck you.

And then to cap it came the great betrayal. Perhaps they resented humanity, maybe our spread to the stars had been much like our colonialist past and our alien allies and friends felt snubbed. Perhaps it was the sheer competition for resources and the us vs them mentality predicted by scientists like Hawking, who suggested any aliens humanity ever meets will be immediately hostile/a threat.
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>>619114224
>impossible in the propaganda
The squad has dialogue talking about how many marines can die in a big fight. The squaddies think the number is high, but they still know that Astartes can die.
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>>619126494
>mfw it's deeds from Vermintide 2 again
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>>619126674
Terra is overrated anyway. Now, a nice Manufactorum in the outer fringes of the empires reach? Max comfy.
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>>619121656
You are immune during your dash if you do it properly and lock on. Stop spreading this retarded misinfo
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>>619113026
Welcome aboard, anon!
here's you supplementary heretic gf! (she has mega AIDS)
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>>619126674
I thought the real tragedy was that the Throne keeps him from dying and thus being reborn, but no one is smart enough to figure out that he is actually eternal.
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>>619126675
Whatever the case, almost all of humanities friends and allies turned on them. And as the galaxy darkened and communication became impossible, the aliens who had been part of the great galactic civilization turned on humanity. The last messages humanity would hear from it's many outposts and worlds, once shining jewels of reason and civilization, were panicked begging for aid as their friends, allies, and trade partners turned on them and attacked them for their resources or to take them as slaves.

And so the warp storms grew so bad that the galaxy went dark. Worlds became isolated islands unto themselves. Each world would fare differently, but earth itself would lose contact with the rest of the milky way and descend into anarchistic barbarity. Earth became Mad Max post apocalypses, but with sci-fi super weapons as warlords used things like virus bombs and nuclear lances and power armor to fight over land and resources in petty tribal disputes. This period of 'everything is fucked' would be called The Age of Strife, and would continue for roughly 5 thousand years.

Eventually two things would happen that would let humanity crawl out of the long dark - the first was the Emperor, the immortal (possibly perpetual) master of Mankind who had been secretly adjusting, governing, and aiding humanity since it's most ancient history. Seeing that shit was well and truly fucked, the Emperor decided to take matters into his own hands, became a warlord, and cut a bloody path uniting the warring tribes of Terra via military conquest. Being immortal, a powerful psychic, and knowing where all the ancient tech caches were thanks to being immortal and a powerful psychic gave him an edge. Eventually he won, and ravaged and nearly destroyed Terra finally knew peace. He then immediately began preparing a space program because he knew what was coming next.

Across the galaxy, the eldar fuck storm finally gave birth to Slaanesh.
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>>619112948
Anyone else feel like the tagging system is inferior to Vermintide's? The range on tagging specials seems short and is easily blocked by silly things like a fence or a pole you can clearly see around. The picture when tagging items is also nowhere near as visually clear as the colored highlights. It's weird because I feel like tagging is even more important in dark and dirty Darktide compared to Vermintide.
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>>619127180
I want to make a Zealot just to hear him screech about the God Emperor, how do I into dashing properly to not get memed on by some chaos fag with a lasgun?
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>>619127346
press f, don't let go until you see a yellow highlight around a chaos fag
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>>619127332
What do you mean low range? You can tag an enemy if you click on a single pixel of their across the whole map... or am i missing something?
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>>619127318
Slaanesh, god the Excess and Pleasure, sex drugs rock and roll Hellraiser pinhead tongues and tentacles, was given birth and the scream as they drew their first metaphorical breath blew out the majority of the warp storms across the entire galaxy and distracted the other three chaos Gods - as well as instantly obliterating a good 80% of every Eldar in the galaxy.

In the resulting calm, the Emperor took to space, re-united the solar system, and then prepared and launched his galactic crusade. This is when the Primarchs were first developed (and scattered THANKS TO A CERTAIN STUPID BITCH) and the Space Marines created to replace the old Thunder Warriors.

Humanity hadn't forgotten how their alien friends had betrayed them. The Emperor had not forgotten either, and was extremely pro-human. Everything else was a potential existential threat and had to be destroyed. Any humans still living peacefully with aliens had to recant or be destroyed a long with them. No exceptions, no forgiveness.

And that is why the Imperium of Man hates ayylmaos.
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>>619112948
>c-cadia stands
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BF1R5N_xPjk
LMFAO
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>>619113026
It's him, Inquisitor! He's the one who made the post!
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>>619127283
>>619126674
the real real tragedy is that people DID realize he'd resurect if they let him die, but the inquisition was unwilling to risk it - either him failing to come back, or the resulting political upheaval from the Emperors return.

So his most loyal servants decided (and killed the dissenters) to keep the Emperor in a persistent vegetative state for petty political reasons, they feared him returning would cause a second civil war in the confusion and no doubt did not want to give up their own new found power. Humanity betrayed the Emperor almost as soon as it could.
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>>619127628
LMAO fucking rekt.
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>>619127623
>And that is why the Imperium of Man hates ayylmaos.
I like this little tidbit, because I just thought the Imp was just xenohaters for the the aliens were too easily corrupted by the warp. Dumb fags brought the wrath of man on them.
>as well as instantly obliterating a good 80% of every Eldar in the galaxy.
based
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>>619127628
The Cadian voice is the worst one in the game because he'll never ever shut the fuck up about it.
Like, bro, we get it, Cadia was cool and now it's gone. Can you focus on the fucking task at hand? Maybe try developing a new autism?
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>>619127804
The Emperor should just turn off his warp beacon and try and tell some nearby Psyker what's up, and that the light isn't coming back on till they let him free
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>>619127346
Hold f and aim at who you wanna kill
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>>619127628
Is this the WH version of 9/11?
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>Emperor actually does care for humanity but his subjects wont just let him die to come back to us as our true God
kinda fucked up
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>>619127543
Maybe it's not low range and I keep getting cockblocked by objects in the distance I can't see. I'll mess with some video settings.
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>>619113792
If I saw a Psyker surrounded by Ragers and Maulers to my right and a single poxwalker sneaking up behind a Veteran on my left, I'm bull rushing to the left
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New to the game. What weapons are good on zealot bros?
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>>619127849
everything the Imperium does is based in justifications that at one point, made sense. The problem with the imperium is it's so old and decrepit they still do the same things, bereft of context, because the ritualized behaviors have themselves become the religion.

>>619127938
He can't do that because if he breaks concentration the warp hole beneath the golden throne pops open and Terra (and the entire imperial command structure) gets obliterated.

>>619127990
>literally crashed the Blackstone Fortress thru Cadia
checks out
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>>619127238
imagine the smell....
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>Hear suicider.
>Beeping suddenly stops.
>"Did he spawn somewhere else?"
>Turn around.
>Suicider instant transmissions behind you.
>You are already dead.
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>>619128187
Axe to start off with, until you get chain swords. Guns your choice but you'll mostly be using guns for crowd control (ranged popping specials is the veterans/pyskers job) so you want something that can handle swarms, esp if you're using a melee weapon that's not as good at it like The Axe.
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>>619128187
Try everything and use what you like
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>>619128187
For me it was combat axe->tac axe->chainsword->eviscerator
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>>619126494
Even more random d/cs? That's hardly a surprise.
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While I stand, Cadia lives!
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>>619128187
The combat axes feel pretty good to start out with to me. Repeated shove attack can deal with hordes, one light attack to the head usually deals with the basic infantry, and heavy attacks can deal with most elites when you get up to them. Can pierce through and contribute to killing armored enemies too.
But you're looking for the 2handed chainsword or thunder hammer once you get around level 12-15 or so.

Ranged wise, I liked the combat shotguns early on and switched to flamer/bolter later on. But I hear good things about the braced autogun.
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>>619128218
ROCK THE BOAT BIG EMP, FUCK THE STATUS QUO

Just like let the Orks take over they don't even need silly rituals to make their shit work they just believe it does.
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>>619128110
>wont just let him die to come back to us
Because they don't know this for sure, or how long it would take.
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No one says Nurgle at all, are the names of the gods not common in the setting amongst common people?
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The power sword is the sickest melee weapon. I wanted to like the chainaxe but the cleave can't be beat.
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>>619128926
Cleaves straight through everything, armor and all. I want a reason to use the Chainsword but it just feels like griefing.
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>>619128849
>No one says Nurgle at all, are the names of the gods not common in the setting amongst common people?
the cultists do, the PC"s do not. That knowledge would be suppressed where possible and besides, speaking a chaos gods name gives it power and draws it's attention. It's literally shining a spotlight on yourself.
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>>619128187
Revolver, Shotgun, Flamer for ranged
Chainsword and Eviscerator for melee
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>>619128849
its the imperium if a normal person ever brought them up in conversation you're going to end up with a next-day delivery of a bullet to the brain
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>>619128849
>are the names of the gods not common in the setting amongst common people?
You're retarded for even having to ask when the answer is painfully obvious. Simply knowing the names of the Chaos gods invites corruption.
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>>619129010
>speaking a chaos gods name gives it power and draws it's attention. It's literally shining a spotlight on yourself.
PRAISE THE EMPEROR notice me senpai
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Also does anyone know if Zola's VA is the same VA for the voice of your transport chick in 40K Inquisitor: Martyr?
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>>619127628
that call for healing at the end topkek
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>>619129158
>PRAISE THE EMPEROR notice me senpai
basically yes, though it doesn't help no one knows/remembers the Emperors true name.
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Anyone yet to roll their Norf FC ogryn?
See how long you can get away with calling it Hillsborough
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsborough_disaster
also can we get an ogryn VA from Brian Blessed since he is one alive on earth currently?
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>>619129297
>though it doesn't help no one knows/remembers the Emperors true name.
oh my fuck the world is doomed isn't it. Is association not close enough? At this point his name might as well BE 'God Emperor'
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Just got the void staff, holy fuck any other range weapon doesn't compare. This is going to get nerfed hard.
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Emprah loves me dis I know
For da Codex tells me so
Little'uns to 'im belong
Dey is weak but 'e is strong
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>>619127926
>And how's Cadia doing nowadays?
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>hear a one of those grenade cunts
>mark him
>he spends the entire mark teleporting between exits over and over again until the mark disappears
>now he's infront of us and is throwing over a wall we can't even see now
Fucking hell. What type of retard designs this shit where enemies are just teleporting throughout all the exit points?
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>>619129395
i think you need his true name to fully invoke his pwoers which is another tragedy of the series
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>>619128187
Autoguns, Autopistols, and especially shotgun are good for Zealot. You'll want to be using your gun for suppressing or clutch situations most of the time so you want
>Burst damage
>Fast deploy
>Armor piercing not important
Flamer is a sidegrade that pretty much throws out that line of thinking for being able to clear out a whole radius around you. It has a deploy speed that's every bit as slow as the boltgun though.
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>>619129395
>>619129512
no, association is close enough for miracles, the Sisters of Battle are evidence of that. The problem is it creates memetic mutation. People are worshipping the IDEA of the Emperor as it has been taught to them (by a book ironically first written by Lorgar)

What this means is the Warp Entity the Emperor is growing into is not necessarily the Emperor who he is. Ironically his persistent coma is a blessing in this case because it keeps him "anchored".

Compare/contrast the nascent god/daemon of The Greater Good spawned by the belief of Gue'vesa and other tau auxiliaries that freaked out the T'au so much.
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I can only imagine this feels better with a chainweapon.
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>first time ever using a bolter in an fps
I'm in love bros, this thing is heroine chambered in holy fire.
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>>619128849
For the rank and file, even saying the words 'chaos gods' are grounds for immediate execution
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>>619129507
The Warp cares not for your physical laws
>>619129706
Enjoy it, it's just about the only accurate bolter in a videogame ever - barring the one in Fire Warrior decades ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4BD8uiTUGw
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>>619129706
You are using a bolt gun. Basically this is the 1h version for space marines.
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>>619129304
GUILLIMAN'S ALIVEEEEEE???
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>>619129304
>brian blessed ogryn
kino
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>>619129304
>Anyone yet to roll their Norf FC ogryn?
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>>619129706
as ogryn hearing boltgun going off is fucking adrenalin rush.. not to mention decent stat is special killer even in Heresy level
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>>619128123
Obviously. The Psyker is fine, but that Veteran has mere moments left to live. If only they knew how to melee...
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Jesus, how could they have the game even MORE unstable as before? I had two or three dcs every mission before, but now it's every other minute, often straight to desktop.
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>>619129304
After Bodyguard gets his Bone 'ead upgrade.
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>>619129827
It's not even the 1h version.
It's a former Arbites design, which means it was designed for base human hands.

A Godwyn Pattern would be too heavy for regular humans, and is closer to the Ogryns autoshotgun than the Locke Bolter
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>cosmetic store open
>no helmet for sharpshooter
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>619129941
This literally looks like my best friend's dad and he's just as jacked
t. norfener
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>>619126161
>>619126675
>>619127318
>>619127623
thx
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>>619130252
Don't you get a helmet as a progression unlock? Apply yourself, anon.
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>>619130325
>>619130325

Get moving
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i wanna keep playing but i know if they reset all our progress i'm going to lose my shit
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>>619130339
The one mission I need is not available
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>>619113793
If you guys wanna talk about power levels, lore accuracy and what we can and can't "realistically" handle, our characters should be violently expelling every bodily fluid out of every orifice on their bodies from coming into close contact with Nurgle cultists. Our lives should have been forfeit the moment a single poxwalker came within five feet of us.
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>>619130339
I can't get the grenade penance to trigger.
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>>619130458
Everyone knows that main characters in Warhammer games are at least "named Space Marine that never wears a helmet" tier.
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>>619129627
>Compare/contrast the nascent god/daemon of The Greater Good
Uhhh, wut
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>>619130251
Oooh true that. Still was thinking more along the lines of not being full auto chain fed bolter.
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>>619130252
Are you level 30?
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>>619130712
some tau allied races believed in a greater good a bit too hard
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>>619130458
Yes, 999 out of 1000 people would have that happen to them. But we are the ones who survived, we are playing the ones who actually can leave a mark in the story.
Its like you saying that Yarrick is just a regular human. Sure. "Regular".
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>>619124548
honestly feels like it, had 0 crashes launch day and even after the first hotfix, then in that balance pass update everything went to shit and today just trying to get to the Morningstar is a crapshoot. Good thing they put 'its a beta guys' at the top of the screen.
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>>619131439
Not todays patch, but the one befor emade me crash like a motherfucker, even tho i was 100% crashless before. It really is a crapshoot.




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