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The great debate.
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>>608137712
>-ACK
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>>608138256
Tank busters were not really that effective back then.
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>>608137712
>Get stuck in the mud
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in WoT Moose is better
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>>608137712
Here's your new tier 8 premium.
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>>608137712
>number of Maus produced: 2
>number of E-100 produced: 0
Do Wehraboos really?
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>>608139705
What does that have anything to do with video game?
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>>608137712
>>608139063
Dilate trannies.
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>>608137712
Yoo how do you do
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There were a lot of attack chopper games in the early 2000's that had just the right blend of simulation and arcade to be fun
Any tank equivalents of those games?
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How can something that is basically just a gun on wheels be this based?! Tanks are humanities greatest invention.
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>>608140002
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>>608138256
>Hawker Tempest
You really showed that Sherman column who's boss, Nigel.
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>>608137712
What is the best tank game for a few fun rounds in the evening?
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>>608140821
Battle City.
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>>608140980
game?
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>>608141595
Graviteam Tactics
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>>608141890
>Panther
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>>608141890
cant help but feel this thing is a white elephant really.

Surely, we want smaller, cheaper vehicles, with a higher degree of lethality. Although I suppose that was the theory behind Tank Destroyers and they didn't do very well in ww2
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Maus is my second tier 10 tank.
It would be first if I didnt get T-62a rental for rampage mode like 9 years ago and then WG just let me have it permanently after ticket I sent that I cannot buy it.
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>>608142893
Its a meme but a fun one. Forgot image.
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>>608141890
POV: The manlet brigade arrives
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>>608142949
>playing wot
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>>608141890
>putting two people in a turret with an autoloader
wasn't the entire point of an autoloader to reduce the size and crew capacity
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Can modern tanks even survive any modern anti tank gear?
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>>608143361
Yeah you dumb fuck, the fucking loader is removed.
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>>608137712
The E-100 is 1) faster and 2) putting the turret in the middle of the hull made it sexier.
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>>608143558
Some of them can intercept missilies with lasers but i doubt its that reliable
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>>608143558
With active protection system
Also I'm sure that with certain conditions kinetic penetrators may fail to fully penetrate some armor. It's mostly theoretical
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>>608143821
Oh and they also have reactive armor but looking at russian tank performance in Ukraine i doubt its that effective either
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>>608143558
No. The age of the tank is coming to a close. The age of the drone and guided munition has come.
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>>608144082
Tandem HEAT was designed to defeat said reactive armor, which every modern military nowadays uses.
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>>608144172
Maybe they will use a laser system like anon mentioned to nuke drones instantly (and a bunch of small birds that approach)
As well as adding reactive armor to the top of the tank as other anon said. New turret shapes.
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Get some APS.
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>>608144172
This guy is right
>>608144256
You don't know what you're talking about.
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>>608144472
>>608144543
man those are fun to watch, i want to be a tank scientist when i grow up
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>>608144285
The missile age already make tanks obsolete, they were only useful for superpowers that went against armies with very outdated equipment, Ukraine proved that even semi-modern AT launchers can stop any tank.
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>>608137712
Wish we got a tank vidja that wasn't run by masochistic russians.
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Any tank game without tankrobatics is shit.
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>>608144714
Agreed that it makes offensive tanks obsolete (sort of) but a defensive tank with proper lines of sight and support, as well as the ability to clear the sky of intel, equipped with thermals watching its sector under a veil of camo would still dunk on some nerds.
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>>608144824
>Tranime
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>>608144806
The japanese made >>608140113 and >>608144824. But most military games worth a shit are made in eastern europe.
>>608144916
A defensive/immobile tank is a worthless tank, at that point build a bunker since its way cheaper and even more resistant.
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>>608145017
Cant shoot and scoot a bunker. Once the battle begins, and the first shot is fired it will be zerod in eventually, be it hours or days.
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>>608144981
>WAH! SOME LIKES WHAT I DON"T! THEY MUST BE A TRANNY!
Have you ever tried pulling your head out of your ass?
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>>389952186
Holhol flag btfo in brit/pol/
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>>608145148
>tranimist
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>Gajin
>UHHH we can't balance for shit
>Better remove Maus from germ tree
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>>608144714
Not him but assuming you are not just talking out of your ass and know what you are talking about. Explain how a attacking army is supposed to break an enemies defenses if armored vehicles are not an option? Infantry is not going to engage if they think you are sending them into the meatgrinder and it is not always an option to go scorched earth and bomb everyone to death.
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>>608145180
>tranimist
WTF does that even mean? You're so butthurt, you have to make up new words.
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>>608144172
>drones
Even our military tech eats shit these days...
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>>608145236
>Explain how a attacking army is supposed to break an enemies defenses if armored vehicles are not an option?

Artillery, like the russians have been trying to do in Ukraine. When they tried to charge in with vehicles without much support they got their ass handed to them.
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>>608139770
everything is political, the commieboos are in control because everyone and their mother ridiculed the retarded wehraboos, but meanwhile commieboos took over and multiplied, absorbing the beaten down wehraboos into east germany, a tribute state to the commiea boo cultural empire, we warned you ages ago

>hurr durr this is not vidya
I know, just doing a statement that sadly is true as a normal person tired of both trolls that replied to you, aswell as legit commieboos that are worse than any wehraboo you could ever meet.
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>>608143361
>>608143580
The crew size is the same, with the loader now serving as a support weapon operator instead. Drones and shit.
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>>608143580
i doubt anyone wants to buy a tank the size of a small country just for a 130 mm gun.
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>>608144981
Anime site, fuck off tourist.
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>>608145408
>Artillery, like the russians have been trying to do in Ukraine.
But isn't the endresult the same as doing a bombing run? You are just fighting over rubble at that point.This sounds like we are going back to trench warfare. Just people sitting in holes waiting 20 minutes so that they can push the frontline for 50 meters.
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>>608146115
Ya they have those and are getting killed by toys r us baby grenades from drones. Modern warfare is donezo. It's peacetime for the rest of humanity.
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>>608145408
>trying
Lad the Russian artillery is working and working great. They've killed 200k AFU according to the latest internal memos from Zelensky's government. It's a complete meat grinder.
Vid related, Russian artillery every 5-10 seconds, Ukrainian soldiers has obvious PTSD/ Shellshock.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/y0pxzXqSAak
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>>608142949
how is grille, worth grinding?
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Can we stay on topic about "video game tanks"?
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>>608146406
>working great
over 10x the ammount of literally everything as your enemy, getting held back by enemy
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>>608146237
Found the /k/oper.
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>>608143558
tanks have mostly never been able to survive anti tank weapons. this is because there's not much reason to have anti tank weapons if they don't fucking kill tanks. what the fuck kind of retarded question is this?
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>>608146406
>200k AFU according to the latest internal memos from Zelensky's government
Sauce? That is completely out of whack with every metric I can find.
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>>608146558
They have it, so they use it. That's how war works, you're not very bright are you?
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>>608146115
>This sounds like we are going back to trench warfare.

Wars were always about careful positioning and trying to gain a positional advantage, Russia is now in the situation that their planes can't even get an aerial advantage since even a man with a crappy AA launcher can pose a serious threat, especially to helis, their tanks and armored vehicles can't advance ahead of the infantry and Ukraine is getting equipment that is on par with theirs if not better, all they can do is bombard them with long range artillery since for now Ukraine can't counterfire with theirs.
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>>608146534
BFV unironically has the best tank gameplay in all of gaming. Firstly combined arms is superior to tank vs tank only. It offers more dynamics, more tactics, and far more option. And namely due to infantry.
Secondly BFV offers a better mix of realism/arcade than any game that exists. One shot kills are very rare, only certain aircraft loadouts and certain infantry capability can do it. Less frustration.
Every tank is modeled differently, with different weight, characteristics, velocities, abilities, turret rotation, etc. But it does not go the full realism route of being a driver and sitting on a hill bored to death as your gunner asks to wait for a shot. And thus no randoms screaming at each other.
Strategies can be employed such as targeting a turret and circling around a tiger tank while having a small vehicle. You can attach flamethrowers to tanks and make it anti infantry support. You can drive through buildings, crush walls, etc. Every hatch is modeled, others can join you and get in your tank in multiple seats. They can be equipped with fun shit like rockets, anti infantry nades, even a explosive mine clearer on the front, and more.
BFV shits all over other tank games.
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>>608147268
Thank you Electronic Arts employee
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>>608145810
It actually isn't.
That's why anime has a specific section.
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>>608147195
GET OFF HIM HE CAN'T BREATHE!
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>>608145431
Russia will always be a joke.
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>>608147476
Rhinos...........RHINOS

METAL BAWKSES
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>>608147195
thanks doc
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>>608147479
This is Russia using drones to locate Ukrainian tanks and pacify them using precision artillery. You believed a lie.
https://files.catbox.moe/drj4bz.mp4

Pic related the artillery used.
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>>608144172
Sadly, this.
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>>608147354
>post costanza image
>go back to your hole dumb /tv/ poster
A thing that doesn't happen because this isn't how the website works gaylord. Anyone that uses tranime is even newer than an election tourist
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Arty is never obsolete.
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>>608147692
How many miles to Kyiv?
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>>608147774
Even a simple mortar will never go obsolete, getting hit by stuff you can't see will always be terrifying.
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>>608147959
Playing as brits in CoH and spamming arty is my favorite.
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>>608146721
Tanks have been able to survive tons of anti tank weaponry, theres video of it in this very thread and old anti tank weaponry was far less effective on their age of tanks.
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>>608147316
fucking kek
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>>608148101
>>608147316
No counters, only a tired programmed memes
>thank X shill
>world of warcraft laugh
its programming.
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>WT
>ziggers are here
wowza wojak woweee
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>>608147914
O panzer of the lake, what is your wisdom?
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>>608148173
you'd think of anyone, it'd be war thunder players that think of russoids as subhuman animal niggers that are worse than Jews.
God this game sucks I hate it
but I can't stop playing
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>>608148342
FUCK OFF DOGE YOU NIGGER
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>>608140323
Funny, yanks are better know for blue on blue accidents.
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>>608147709
Actually sweaty Hiroyuki Nishimura has confirmed that 4chan is not an "anime website".
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>>608148092
In these days there is just too much stuff that can hit a tank, a plane can just throw a missile from miles away when back in the day they at least had to go very close to the ground and drop a bomb which wasn't easy, artillery can zero on it way faster than back then, a single soldier can just bring with him an AT launcher by carrying it on his back that can hit a tank from many kilometers away, its simply not worth the expense.
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What's the appeal of this thing? It's just a box with a straw coming on top.
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>>608148380
>tranime
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>>608148402
I WILL ALWAYS BE IN MILITARY VEHICLE THREADS TO TRICK PEOPLE INTO PLAYING THIS FUCKING SKINNERBOX
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>>608144824
i wanna play this so bad.
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>>608148146
>expecting anyone to have even played BFV to have a fact based counter-argument
even bigger lol honestly. If you were being genuine then good for you for having a fun tank to play but I seriously doubt that many people would agree with you (although that doesn't mean you're wrong) but all I've heard about BFV tank gameplay is that they're op as fuck and won't die for the duration of the match. Also you spawn into them I think which is garbage compared to old bf games, although that doesn't really have an impact on how they play necessarily.
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>>608148457
Thats why Anti Air follows behind, Drone jammers so arty cant spot your tank, and thermals to nuke the soldier before the soldier knows theres a tank.
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>>608148512
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>>608146558
ukranian army is much bigger than russia's at this point.
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>>608148598
>drone jammers so arty cant spot
if there's drones there's probably forward observers with a radio near it.
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>>608148525
You can emulate the Switch version, but it's not at 100%. The ground texture doesn't always load, so you're diving around on a black void. I also doubt you can play online.
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>>608148603
>>608148847
>Tranime
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>>608148827
>sees them on thermal
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>>608148457
>"Guess tanks are useless, we better stop bringing them to the fights"
>opposing armies suddenly free up 50% of their budgets since they no longer need to make sure every squad of infantry can defend themselves from a tank, every ground attack aircraft can go back to all 'dumb' ordnance and just blow up static and soft targets, all ATGMs can just cease production, and armored jeeps are now the new kings of the battlefield
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>>608148898
I don't know what you are hoping to accomplish.
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>>608148937
>tank looking for infantry instead of vehicles
takes less than a five minutes to relay coordinates and drop bombs on a tank column.
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>>608144172
>>608144285
When a $5mil tank costs 50 times that of 100k javelin missile it doesn't matter how efficient it is at stopping one. Price wise it needs to stop 50 of them to break even.
Tanks are over, but apc's will stick around for obvious reasons.
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>>608149110
>one of the first tanks ever made
>annihilated by an IS-2 round that probably weighs more than every piece of ammo the tank carries combined
lol is there just no limit on what tanks you can bring into a match? I have no idea how this game works
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>>608148937
They'll just stay behind solid cover
>>608148990
AT launchers aren't that expensive at all, yes instead of tanks they should build more APCs since they are cheaper and basically serve the same purpose, armor isn't needed nowadays since a missile will fuck a vehicle up regardless of how thick or how advanced its protection is, tankers have to pray to god that it hits some very weird angles since that's the only way they won't be blown up.
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>>608147917
Kiev.
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>>608140323
>Tempest
Those are Typhoons. It's really not that hard to tell them apart, why does everyone fuck this up?
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>>608144472
It doesn't even break even dollar wise for the shot fired used to deflect that thing.
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>>608144543
>fires at it again
lmao gottem
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>>608149303
>tank column
Well there are ways to move tanks besides on a narrow 2 lane road.
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>>608149334
Senshado rules limit you to tanks in production by the end of WW2. Other than that, anything goes. Although, the game is limited to tanks that appear in the anime.
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>>608146534
It's such a shame several accuracy autists kept complaining it only had the 12,8cm cannon while the announcement footage (like your pic) showed it with the 15cm barrel. It would've been fun as fuck with the 15cm lobber.
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>>608149520
tell that to the russians.
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>>608148380
Wow the environment looks just like the anime.
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>>608149673
Ironcially russians don't have a choice, Ukraine doesn't have many roads and their supply lines are already stretched thin.
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>>608148380
>>608148603
Does the drifting let you lock on for free? Is there any kind of penalty for using it?
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>>608149520
Tell that to the Ukrainians.
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>>608149449
Cheaper than building a whole new afv plus it's crew more so than dollar effective against the at weapon, plus now you have a good idea of where the enemy is so you can repay them with some hi-x.
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I play WoT and actually enjoy it.
Only at mid tiers though, I don't know how anyone can have fun in high tier unless they're paypigging.
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>>608149405
Keev
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>>608149876
You don't get it. They can just fire another atgm and that thing won't stop a javelin either. That's a $100k javelin against millions of dollars worth of equipment. For that to work cost effectively it would need to stop at least 50 of those things (not including the cost of the ammo itself).
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>>608148603
How is the switch version of this game?
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>>608149334
>>608149535
As an example, you can have something like a Mark IV and a Centurion vs a Maus and a Pershing.

>>608149810
Lock on is always available. It can be toggled on and off. If you drift while locked on, it will keep your aim on the target and also increase damage done.
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>>608150045
Is there a delay before firing when triggered or something? It just seems like the lockon would make it too easy.
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>>608149876
that lil t-72
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>>608150045
stop posting tranime
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>>608150016
The most cost-effective thing you can do is win the war, so keeping a tank alive, even at a massive deficit is worth it if it wins the war.
Also like this guy said >>608149876 the crew is more important than money OR if you factor in crew training and price of life of the 20-30 y.o.s in the tank then it IS the more cost effective option

>>608148380
>rams and kills a tank that weighs 3-5x as much as it
>>608150045
What is the benefit to the super early tanks then vs late-war superheavies?
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>>608150034
It has worse visual quality. I've only played the PS4 version, so I can't really say for myself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9Koxc_DDfU

>>608150168
There is no delay, but a hit is not always guaranteed since you are both moving and the terrain can bounce your turret. Lag is also a factor if you are playing online. Usually the best tactic is to lock on, drift, release lock on so you end up leading the target, and then firing.

>>608150490
Make me, faget.
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>>608150016
Why are you so obsessed with costs? Antitank weaponry exists basically since WW1 and yet tanks haven't been retired yet, no one is planning to do that either. Only some armchair experts claim otherwise.
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>Sleek design
>Effective gun
>Fast engine
>Inspires the next generation of MBT for the next decade

Yep, i'm thinking tanks peaked with the Comet
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>>608149334
It's tranime, there's no rules, just coom and paedophilia.
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>>608150586
>1944 tank
>no sloped armor
>>608149334
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>>608150541
>What is the benefit to the super early tanks then vs late-war superheavies?
It's just down to your play style. Light tanks can have an advantage over heavies due to speed. It's possible to circle them faster than their turrets can rotate. Drift shots to the ass can be pretty devastating on any tank.
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>>608150016
Yes those defence systems have multiple charges, that's probably the second thing on the design spec.
Your mystical scenario just doesn't happen.
Some niggas fire a javelin then leave, the tank will intercept the rocket and probably also leave or hide, it's not going to sit there alone and wait for dozens more rockets to come. It's friends aren't going to watch, they will counter engage or facilitate in their allies retreat.

Money is not a direct problem as >>608150541 says.
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>>608150541
>>608150829
super early tanks weren't fast
the game doesn't have any rules, it's about anime girls
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Is WT ground forces worth playing? I quit WoT because quite frankly I got filtered by the higher tier gameplay and not really knowing when I get spotted but not being able to spot the swarm of tanks fucking me up back but the earlier tiers were pretty fun.
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>>608150825
>Gun with nearly 200mm of armor penetration that mogged Panthers with their 'sloped armor'
>recognizes earlier than anyone else that modern tank warfare will rely on speed to outmaneuver and range

Comet chads stay winning
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>>608150541
>>608150829
An example.
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>>608150950
men of war was so kino
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>>608151000
Early game is good but when you start to hit late war vehicles it becomes cancer. You will have to fight against invincible heavies and tank destroyers that makes mediums (the most fun vehicles) useless. Worse still, if you end up in one of those late war heavies the odds are you will end up in a game against cold war tanks which will fuck you. Its a constant cycle where at least in World of Tanks there are only so many of each type of vehicle in a game at a time.
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>>608150586
Certainly a sexy one
>>608150829
This is interesting, I suppose the game is far more arcadey than I thought if the MS-1 can pen the rear of a tiger. is bouncing a thing? or angling? Also are there health points and do rounds do different amounts of damage? I'm trying to think of why a heavy tank would even be good lol, maybe having two travel down roads and completely blocking the flanks like hoplites lmao
>>608151000
yes, just not passed mid tier (in my opinion)
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>>608150825
>Slope meme
Projectiles do not travel at a flat arc, therefore they do not impact at a flat angle.
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>>608150543
>You can drive the rhombus
>You can drift the rhombus
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>>608151292
stop asking all those dumb questions, it's some anime minigame, tanks literally drift like cars, it's not to be played seriously
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>>608151093
Do chinks really have such fried senses that they need such overstimulation on screen? Jfc that hud and all the shit going on is like a little kids game in one that has the art style of pyrovision as is
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>>608150541
>The most cost-effective thing you can do is win the war, so keeping a tank alive, even at a massive deficit is worth it if it wins the war.
Holy mother of cringe. That isn't how wartime economics works at all. Budget and spending are the way every modern war is won. You can't win if you can't bring at least the same amount of effective material to the battlefield. You sound like an american vietnam general or something. Money is material and material is how you win at scale.
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>>608151040
>>608151125
comet 5eva
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>>608151276
just use your dedicated HEAT-FS/APDS slinging light tank to kill this pesky Germans and their king tigers
if you're Jewish you can even just use the M-51 Sherman to click through the UFP of the tigers
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>>608151276
>>608151292
Well, is there a third alternative besides opting out of the genre altogether?
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>make tanks so heavy they can't be defeated
>but also can't move across most terrain, defeating the purpose
What were they thinking
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>>608151416
>Just grind out a single tank for 30 hours to unlock rounds that work
>You can even purchase an op tank with real money to earn xp for an irrelevant faction too

anon...
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>>608151125
I have MoW sit on my Steam with less than 5 hours playtime. For some reason I just can't get into it, but I hope someday I will.
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>>608150950
>Your mystical scenario just doesn't happen.
I've seen webm's of the ukraine war where you will see something like people firing the first atgm, it being too close to activate so it just bounces off a tank, only for them to just fire another one and kill it.
It literally doesn't matter how many defenses you have, because even if you do deflect it every single time, you are going to be wasting more money than your opponent in the BEST case.
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>>608151506
They weren't. It's pure unfiltered autism.
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>>608151506
youtube.com/watch?v=btdHx3h2MLs
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>>608151605
I played defense mods with it. Much more fun than the copy-paste campaign or the 20fps multiplayer that is clearly running the same engine as men of war 2006
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>>608151605
its best played as a ffa with your friends. buying jeeps and bikes first to rush to the neutral map spawned vehilces to try and grab them. There's a P-51 on one of the desert maps that you can fly ar ound in and just troll the fuck out of everyone.
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>>608151292
>I suppose the game is far more arcadey than I thought
It is very arcadey. If you going in expecting a serious tank sim with anime girls, you'll be disappointed.

>is bouncing a thing? or angling?
Yes to both, The game follows the sloped armor principle.

>Also are there health points and do rounds do different amounts of damage?
Bigger tanks to more damage, but they also cost more of the group health bar in annihilation matches. In flag matches, on the flag tank's health matters. They die and the match is over.
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>>608151556
are you schizophrenic?
stock grind only becomes unbearable when you're firmly in rank 6+
other than the sorry pieces of shit that get stock APCR like the PT-76 everything has usable stock shells
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>>608151317
>flat top
>negative sloped lower glacias
abrams hull has achieved trajectory nirvana
>>608151407
then consider how much a triple shot of smoke grenades costs and then consider the crew is more trained than russian monkeys so that any inkling of an atgm being fired (which includes one having been intercepted by trophy, let alone spotted by supporting infantry or the crew itself) would lead to deploying smoke and addressing the threat
>>608151460
alternatively play arcade only lmao
>>608151661
>letting infantry get this close to your tank
You have to stop thinking about the ukraine war, or alternatively change your argument to "Russians shouldn't use tanks anymore" which people would probably agree with
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>>608151397
Yeah, the hud is a bit clunky. You can disable it with cinematic mode, but that makes the game a lot harder.
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>>608149110
I wish there was a game like this without the super clogged-up Jap game HUD that blocks half the screen.
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>>608151835
Just stop trying to shill this game lol its gay as hell go outside HAHAH
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>>608151703
>dub
Ew
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>>608151793
>letting infantry get this close to your tank
This applies to drones as well. There is no cost effective way to prevent destruction of tanks and they don't apply any real benefit because randomly firing shells into buildings has become a huge no-no politically so it's wasted firepower anyway.

The defender will always have the advantage to not have to use tanks to counter tanks, so attacking with tanks makes no sense.
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>>608151782
The pesky king tigers and other heavies are tier 6 you retard and thats specifically where I said it gets cancerous. You cant tell me that the starting shells for the 76mm shermans at 5.7BR are at all helpful against anything they face, just to name one example.
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>>608151416
Shut the fuck up doge. Back to your containment general.
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>>608151793
>then consider how much a triple shot of smoke grenades costs and then consider the crew is more trained than russian monkeys so that any inkling of an atgm being fired (which includes one having been intercepted by trophy, let alone spotted by supporting infantry or the crew itself) would lead to deploying smoke and addressing the threat
This is the dumbest shit I have read on this entire board this week.

>then consider how much a triple shot of smoke grenades costs
A tank costs ~100x more than a javelin, think about that, and you're trying to pinch pennies over some smoke? Also you're trying to convince me that a tank will spot a team before a team spots a tank? Are you crazy? 90% of the time smoke isn't even needed.

This also doesn't preclude a cheap drone from just hitting a tank with an even cheaper missile/guided bomb. Tanks are done.
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>>608152195
uh anon?
the tiger 2s are rank 4 tanks.
rank 6 tanks are stuff like leopard 2s, t-64s and the Abrams.
>>608152242
never
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Any more classified specification fuck-ups yet?
How many times has it been now, 5?
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>>608152027
this show was so stupid, how come no one ever dies in this
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>>608152195
>The pesky king tigers and other heavies are tier 6 you retard and thats specifically where I said it gets cancerous.
late WW2 heavies are tier 4, tier 6 is 8.7+
>You cant tell me that the starting shells for the 76mm shermans at 5.7BR are at all helpful against anything they face, just to name one example.
their starting shells are the best they have and indeed are adequate against most vehicles they face (hellcat went from 4.7 to 5.7 and is still one of the best tanks for its br). Shermans have a stabiliser that makes them good against anything since they will shoot first
skill issue
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>>608151460
Gunner HEATPC?
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>>608152474
It's the magic of carbon coating.
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>>608152530
Even if that is a thing in-universe, how is it ever safe to stick your head out.
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>>608151276
>invincible heavies
>in WT 2022
HAHAHAHA
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>>608152818
KV-1s are invincible niggermobiles
I main soviets too
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>>608151905
After you, sweety. ~
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>>608152078
And as mentioned eariler the moment you stop fielding afvs the enemy no longer has to field any anti armour weapons, it's not possible, especially in a neer peer conflict.
It's not like western mic saw the shit show in the middle east and their use of tanks against atgms and gave up on tanks, same for ukraine today.
Infact for future development they're doubling down with bigger guns, smart sensor systems and drones, mobile AA guns are being touted as a counter to drones.
Just because russia is losing tanks like they're going out of fashion is not the tank's fault, it's the strength of western intelligence.

As for shelling buildings, put a defender in a building then turning that school into rubble is now a yes yes for the person being shot at.
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>>608147692
>precision artillery
>precision
anon the first round lands nowhere near the tank and the second round is closer but still misses

>"b-b-but it got the job done"
yeah against a shitty russian tank lmao
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>>608152078
>The defender will always have the advantage, so attacking with tanks makes no sense.
Well in this case all the defenders need is a few machine gun emplacements in houses and the attackers should just sue for peace at that point since thhey literally can't fight back.>>608152303
>A tank costs ~100x more than a javelin, think about that, and you're trying to pinch pennies over some smoke?
Yeah? literally YOU'RE the one arguing over pennies, if you pop smoke grenades, the tank is suddenly untargetable by any anti-tank measure you've listed so I'm certainly going to mention it?
>Drones are the pinnacle of warfare there's no use fighting back
This is also a russia v. ukraine based comment, I live next to an airbase and they will literally steal people drones if they go anywhere near the base at all. They just take over the drone and take it forever. Literally just a guy with a remote control takes it lmao. Drones are as fragile as it gets. But they're CHEAP!!! And easy to kill. Unless you're talking about like predator drones, in which case >>608148598 they have real anti-air nearby
You keep arguing about 'cost-effective' but when one country produces puts more money into their military then they can be less cost effective. It's like this guy said >>608150549 Tanks from the get go have just been an arms-race and it has shifted from heavy retard gods of ww2 to everyone realizing post-war that MBTs that can barely defend against 30mm shots to the side are the future. Every time a new way to kill a tank is developed it is followed very shortly by a new way to defend against it. So basing all of this argument on russia vs. ukraine where everyone on the planet is sending ukraine modern day anti-tank measures and russia is pulling t-72s out of storage and then sending them in with no support is ridiculous
also why is /v/ character limit in a post so small lol
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>>608153151
Just because tanks can be effective in the middle east where you outbudget your opponent 1000:1 doesn't mean they are actually practical, it's just an illusion.

>Infact for future development they're doubling down with bigger guns, smart sensor systems and drones, mobile AA guns are being touted as a counter to drones.
By that exact same logic, the tanks should actually just be mobile drones with cannons on them.
Face it tanks are done.
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>>608151730
>but they also cost more of the group health bar
Ah okay, this clears up why I was so confused I was wondering why you wouldn't take 5 late war heavies or late war mediums, but a health pool makes a lot more sense.
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>>608153474
And then the third hits it's mark, the fourth shakes an part loose, the fifth completely obliterates two and the sixth flips another over etc.
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>>608153498
>Well in this case all the defenders need is a few machine gun emplacements in houses and the attackers should just sue for peace at that point since they literally can't fight back
>>608153151
>As for shelling buildings, put a defender in a building then turning that school into rubble is now a yes yes for the person being shot at.

According to the Russia BTG doctrine itself leveling buildings without a just cause is a total no-no and guess what, you only know to level the building after it already fired the atgm that already destroyed your tank. Nice job.
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>>608148598
This can be countered with satellite targeting. Good luck with that.
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>>608139946
Can it survive a nuke like it was designed to?
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>>608153604
>doesn't mean they are actually practical, it's just an illusion.
>Face it tanks are done.
oh kek, it's one of these arguments, for what it's worth the first few posts seemed alright
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>>608153851
>hijacks your wifi
Nothing personnel kid.
also elon equipped all starlinks with rocket propelled spider bots
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>>608137712
I can't get good at war thunder tanks but I fucking stomp at war thunder boats. How do I get gud, I feel like even at the lowest level other players simply have better shit than I do and even my medium tanks deal no fucking damage
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>>608154031
gotta learn the spots to hit
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>>608153667
>third time's the charm ;)
It's garbage anon.

MSTA is literally from the fucking 80s lol. It's a Soviet hand-me-down and Russia lacks the nous to even maintain the ones that they have.

By all means keep posting incel slava Z clips though. Kyiv in 2 moar weeks!
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>>608154031
schizophrenia and a headset
I practically play with my ears more than my eyes
of course crutching on this means I suck on long range maps
but listening and waiting let's you get quite a few kills by knowing where the enemies are by their engines.
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>>608153604
>Just because tanks can be effective in the middle east
Dipshit
The point is tanks were getting fucked by 40 year old atgms in the middle east when used by the locals. Just because you can see bad use examples doesn't mean it's dead.

The gun in all forms would invalidate infantry but they've changed from mass bodies to more specialised highly trained foces for use with combined support.
The torpedo and missile would invalidate all boats but they still build them with more and more sensor systems and advanced defences for use with combined support.
The atgm invalidates afvs so lets just not.
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>>608143558
The advancement of weapons always outpaces the advancement of defenses. Tanks will go the way of the battleship.
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>>608153953
>hijacks your wifi
I don't think you get how this works.
Satellite is talking to a country on the other end of the world based on what it sees. That country tells drone miles away from target at a range impossible to jam in any capacity to fire a missile to target that spot. It can then just optically lock on to handle it. This can all be done (and in some cases tech is already there just not integrated yet) and be done cost effectively.
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What about games where the tanks have ears?
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>>608154359
kek
>>608154541
they already did after ww2, heavy tanks don't exist any more
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>>608152474
what's that one absurdly edgy doujin where there's no magical carbon coating and they all have to kill each other with tanks
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>>608154226
i thought you were arguing about the effectiveness of artillery against tanks not some shitty knockoff paladin.
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>>608144981
Kek you triggered the tranny niggermutts
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>>608154359
That doesn't change my argument, that is exactly what I'm saying. Tanks are getting deprecated, tanks in columns makes no sense the same way machine guns/artillery invalidated mass infantry pushes. Tanks in their current role are done in the same exact way. They are going to be supplanted/transformed into something not resembling a tank. It's literally over.

>The torpedo and missile would invalidate all boats but they still build them with more and more sensor systems and advanced defenses for use with combined support.
This is a perfect example of how wrong you are. Non-submersible navies have no use in wartime anymore because they are only useful when you have a huge financial advantage. Remember the famous american military simulation where the American navy get's btfo by Syria?
Navies are in the exact same situation as tanks but possibly even worse. No navy vessels survive substantially cheaper missile spam which always outrange them. CIWS or any ballistic defense does not work against gliding/divebombing non-ballistic cruise missiles (you know the ones that are about to be everywhere), or even lower tech ones that are just spammed in.

Navies are subsequently invalidated in any wartime scenario that doesn't involve popping off jihadis. Good luck replacing that aircraft carrier that was taken out by missiles that cost 1/1000 of the cost.
Everything you have seen from America in the last 50 years is basically political theater against vastly inferior opponents.
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Maus and E-100 are fucking eyesores t b h
Even the King Tiger looks kind of ugly I’m how
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>>608155396
>Even the King Tiger looks kind of ugly I’m how
did you have a stroke from saying something so wrong?
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The Mark IVs are obsolete!
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>>608155121
And here's the backside
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>>608155770
is this guy roleplaying as a jawa?
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>>608155865
What's this? I usually see it on German AFVs.
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>>608154559
>puts umbrella over tank
>satelite thinks its an umbrella
Checkmate again
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>>608156193
Did you know that satellites 2 decades old can see through your roof.
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>>608155306
I don't disagree that tanks will change, we can see it even today with what we know about their development.
But you saying tanks in columns and how they're used today is already out of date for tank doctrine anyway, the tanks we see in conflicts today are decades out of date with tactics that are decades out of date going up against modern weapons and doctrine.
A modern western military already doesn't use them like that, has active defence systems, better threat response, better intelligence and better combined arms tactics.

You're right that long range missiles are a threat to ships in the same way but that's not stopping the whole pacific theatre from heating up and everyone and their dogs building more ships and submarines today.
It's not like in the case of a real war we'll be driving tanks and sailing ships into range of missiles willy nilly.
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>>608156710
>You're right that long range missiles are a threat to ships in the same way but that's not stopping the whole pacific theatre from heating up and everyone and their dogs building more ships and submarines today.
>It's not like in the case of a real war we'll be driving tanks and sailing ships into range of missiles willy nilly.
Yeah that's really all I've been saying. Future navy is just going to be submersibles everywhere with missile capabilities. Fully submersible narco subs have never even been discovered after they have been deployed and there are literally hundreds of them and they're welded together in the jungle out of a bunch of scrap metal (the partially submersible ones have been found but they are found through visual means only). We also have subs bumping into each other, no one can keep track of them).

Imagine if nuke went off off the coast of hawaii from a sub or drone right now. No one would even be able to know where it came from. It could be the Russians, Chinese, Iranian, North Korea even have the capability, or even something internal to the US. MAD doesn't even work going into the future when you don't know who actually attacked you.
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>>608137712
Anyone else prefer their armored vehicles to look as goofy as possible?
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>>608157402
I loved battalion wars so much
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>>608156159
From the german wikipedia

>The Leitkreuz (guiding cross, beacon) is part of the lighting system of military land vehicles. To give enemy forces no signs or aim points during the night, the lighting system of for example Tanks and Trucks can be replaced by the so-called blackout light. It helps the following vehicle in the convoy to recognize the position and the distance of the preceding vehicle. However, the illumination of the Leitkreuz is very weak, so that it is only visible a few meters away with the naked eye even in absolute darkness.
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>>608146731
Because it's fake vatnik copeaganda. Russian casualties, wounded, missing and KIA were at 75k a couple of weeks ago. There's literally zero chance the DEFENDING force in an invasion has more than double that.
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>>608157459
It really was great wasn't it? You got every aspect you'd want in a RTS/shooter hybrid
>diverse infantry ranging from grunts to flamerthowers to bazooka guys
>scout jeep is wonkier than a warthog from Halo but in a good way
>all 3 tank sizes, light heavy and fuckhueg
>simple flight controls compared to say Battlefield
>2 even added naval
My one complaint was the switch to motion controls
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>>608156679
DOUBT
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>>608157805
the soviets took extreme losses from the Germans before the tide of the war turned in WW2 though
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>>608158165
The Soviets were on the defensive and then switched to the offensive, now Russia seems to be doing the opposite.
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>>608137712
i really liked the tanks in valkyria chronicles
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>>608158165
The soviet/Russian army is a statistical outlier because they have absolutely zero tactical sense whatsoever. In 99% of all other engagements, the attacker takes more casualties than the defenders.
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>>608158245
Russians are extremely bad at war
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>>608158295
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>>608158250
>kv-2 and IS-2 had a baby
>its just a kv-2 but round on an modified is-2 hull
goofy looking for sure
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>>608158440
remember one of them being super OP at the time. probably powercrept to hell by now though
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>>608158062
There's more to life than the visible spectrum of light.
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>>608157232
>MAD and submarines
Well these just end up being the inevitable future of war. Weapons so deadly it's better to avoid detection and MAD at the strategic level.
Thankfully no one actually wants to the world to turn into dust so MAD works as a deterant, mostly.
But the war today is a perfect example of why a modern military force is still required as opposed to building a wall out of nuclear icbms and camping all game in the real world. International relations should not break down like it has in the modern world but it has and now there is a territorial ground conflict.

The modern military is still going to need a full spectrum of capability of assets from infantry, to mobile assets to armoured assets to stand off weapons to dynamic strike weapons to intelligence gathering.
There will probably always be targets for tanks, which will neccesitate the need for AT weapons and then their counters in turn. Just knowing you are facing a tank will force you to deploy forces in a certain way.
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>>608158402
nah invasions are just incredibly hard. I legitmately dont think they're possible without tactical nukes. even asymmetrical wars are unwinnable if the other side doesnt want to give up
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>>608158640
k but post proof or i will keep selecting x to DOUBT
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>>608158390
again this is a russoid issue, not a war issue.
the US shit stomped in EVERY single war they are in.
Korea, Vietnam, like 6 different nations in the middle east and Yugoslavia
it's easy to win as the agressor as long as you're not shit at war.
>>608158727
the USA won militarily pretty much anywhere, you shoot a horse to a pond, but you can't make it drink.
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>>608158491
Imagine turning that massive turret on uneven ground.
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>>608158896
have we really seen the USA fight against an enemy with modern weapons and tactics though?
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>>608158896
>militarily
and they've proved it literally doesn't matter. you can kill off literally half the population (aka N.Korea) and still come up with a stalemate. maybe in a vacuum with zero outside influences? buts that not reality. nukes are the only answer as the aggressor
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>>608158896
The US also fought wars where they were pretty much always much more militarily advanced than their opponent, in Vietnam and Korea when they weren't massively more advanced they suffered a lot.
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>>608158440
fuck i need to replay vc

theres some good booba too
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>>608158873
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9064959/New-satellites-camera-walls-buildings-crystal-clear-pictures-Earth.html

This is actually old technology that uses radio to see through buildings. After that satellites could see through buildings that had wifi in them. Today it's even open knowledge and not just speculated.
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>>608138256
>tanks are the coolest war machines
>also the most irrelevant
its not fair bros
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>>608158954
>uneven ground
not in russia where -2 degrees of gun depression gets the job done lol. That being said the barrel on that monstrosity looks very heavy
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>>608159071
Vietnam and Korea were still shitstomps
2:1 sabres to mig-15s
3-1 phantoms to mig-21s
they were only "losses" because the US couldn't make the horse drink.
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>>608159157
>although the radar waves can penetrate walls, they say they cannot image anything inside.
Need better proof
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>>608142313
>Although I suppose that was the theory behind Tank Destroyers and they didn't do very well in ww2
Stugs had the biggest K/D ratio of the german AFVs but logistics can get a little fucky in war so why have tanks and tank destroyers making armored vehicle supplying and refitting a potential nightmare when you could have an MBT instead?
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>>608159336
In Korea the chinese pushed the americans back, in Vietnam whatever techonology advantage the US had was negated by the supplies that Russia was sending. The only country that the US actually did beat decisively was Iraq, twice.
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>>608157402
I’ll take either realistic or cartoony
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>>608160395
Cartoony or not, I just don't want stuff with what looks like a useless center of gravity and a muzzle the size of a human.
Edelweiss is the upper limit for me.
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>>608137712
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>>608160995
Titans are garbage. You'd be better off with a Blacker, although, tanks in EDF5 are massively out performed by Nixes.
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Will there ever be a game that features the ratte tank? Doesn't have to be realistic (it can't be realistic, really), just has to be there.
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>>608161845
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjE6zfEVNL4
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there is only one correct answer
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>>608155306
Tanks are going to be converted into arsenal vehicles. Literally tracked VLS cells, packed with BLOS and close support munitions.
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What's a good, arcadey singleplayer tank game?
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>>608162235
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>>608144172
maybe they should start making the armor thicker
make thicker armor make bigger tanks
paint them red to make them go faster
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>>608162907
>paint them red to make them go faster
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>>608161532
>muh blacker
screw you
I will remove frog with any tank I want.
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>>608164794
Enjoy your 10 shots before your tank becomes a massive paper weight.



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