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>electricity prices around the world are getting fucked
>GPU market is fucked(granted, not as fucked as it was just a few months earlier)
>Nvidia's 4000 series allegedly requires a shitton of power
>the only readily available current gen console, the Series S, is roughly equal to a 1660 Ti

What reason is there for anyone with at least a 2060 to upgrade in the next five years?
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>upgrade
Graphics have plateaud. Stop falling for the merchant's neverending GPU meme
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>>598896243
t. 1060 3gb
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>>598896243
If that is true, why does every new game run terrible on older hardware? I should be playing even an unoptimized turd like Battlefield 2042 on my old GeForce 980.
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>>598896130
Didn't crypto crash?
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>>598896130
Looks like I will be skipping another gpu generation with my 2080ti
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>>598896554
It is, but the new nvidia gpus are going to be pulling in over 800 watts or something retarded like that.
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>>598896130
>electricity prices around the world are getting fucked
if you have to worry about the cost of your electricity, you don't need a top tier anything. In fact, you'd be better off with a console as the most efficient gaming machine.
>>598896243
You must be poor.

Fucking poor people I swear. No one cares about you.
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>>598896130
>California has the power usage bill/law whatever, this will become commonplace elsewhere
>Russia/Ukraine conflict is pushing energy prices very high
>Semiconductor shortage still ongoing, still years behind on the demand
>The jump with graphics is getting smaller and smaller each time we supposedly make a massive leap forward
>Big push for streaming and cloud gaming which will become the only option eventually due to laws

We're potentially nearing the end of hardware.
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>>598897028
you will be happy
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>>598897028
>California has the power usage bill/law whatever, this will become commonplace elsewhere
God I hope California just breaks off and falls into the ocean. As for cloud gaming, I don't see it being big because of exclusion. The vast majority of the US would never be able to cloud game due to insane latency.
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>>598897028
The california bill was just about funneling money into a new shell of pointless inspectors. Power use is only assesed for sleep mode on the pc, not power use while actually active. It also gives you higher power use accomodation the higher the peak possible power use. All home pcs are already completely compliant with it with no intervention needed also. So a pc that goes into sleep mode after 6 hours is not compliant but a 50 gpu mining rig blasting full power 24/7 is
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>>598896130
it's a lot of power but still less than running a space heater, hope you live in a cool climate
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>>598897614
Without info on the power use of both of these, this is a pointless graph.
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>>598897773
870-890 watts
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>>598897028
Normies don't give a fuck to graphical fidelity, you're literally the only potential target for streaming.
And AMD could just make a chip that is not a power hungry disgrace and win you over
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>>598897614
>power gets transformed into heat
how else should this work?
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>games are still being made with the PS4 in mind nearly a decade after it came out
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>>598896130
>electricity prices around the world are getting fucked

My utilities last month were $50.80 or something within $1 of that range. And thats with running a 3060ti, a PS4 and a Switch in addition to lights, cooking appliances and AC. Maybe don't live in a shithole with bad infrastructure.
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>>598896243
I just want to fucking fly over manhattan in flight simulator goddamit
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>>598897614
This is why I only game in winter
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>>598896130
>24 gb!

i really dont need 120 fps 3000x3000 globalhomo propaganda in HD.

>>598896243
this

>>598896436
because theres unoptimized, and then theres SIRS unoptimized. expect every aspect of your life to get worse and worse as more incompetent subhumans take over every aspect of the work force.
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Feels good to be a 1080p Chad
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>>598899894
I would gladly take 24. I regularly use 11GB or more on my 12GB 3080.
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>>598896350
name 10 games that look better than RDR 2 a game from fucking 2018
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>>598900597
Elden Ring
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>>598896554
It did, but crypto wasnt the only issue the others still exist.
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>>598896130
There is no reason. I have an RTX 2060 and might consider upgrading in like eight years
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>>598896243
>Graphics have plateaud.
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>>598899257
>TFW live in a TVA area.
>TFW most of my electricity comes form Hydro and nuclear
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>>598900912
I have an 8GB 2060 Super. I’ll upgrade in 8 and half.
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>>598900914
Looks good but humanoid models will never escape the uncanny valley
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>>598896436
Because retards keep buying it. There is no upper limit on how much you can shit up performance.
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>>598901372
If the next Arkane game looked like this i would not mind at all
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What should I upgrade my 1660 Super to assuming GPU prices actually go to normal people prices and I don't have to spend 6,000 dollars for a 480p card? I play at 1080p.
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>>598901034
Lucky, I have a 3050 8GB.
At least I'll get Series S performance.
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>>598899024
An ideal electronic would only "lose" a tiny portion of power for creating fields to run itself
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>>598901631
arcane?
I heckin love arcane
BatChest
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I'm using a 1070 8gb right now, and honestly I don't think I'll be upgrading any time in the near future, unless my shit starts failing (which it might, I mean, it's almost 7 years old now and considering I'm terminally online, probably not got much longer even though I try to take care of it).
I don't care about rtx, I don't care about many new releases at all, and most of them are still aiming to work on older gen systems, since the new gen systems aren't actually available anywhere, series S excluded, which is pretty much just an xbone x with a new case and OS.
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>>598900914
>People still fall for the meme of games actually looking like the tech demos within their gen
Is humanity doomed to always repeat its mistakes?
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>>598896130
When does the 4000 series come out? I'm thinking about buying a new computer but I want to wait until new generations and series are out.
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>>598901742
depends on next gen, lower end next gen cards prolly coming out sometime next year
6600 to 6700xt amd cards obtainable at msrp on newegg fairly regularly now in US and they'll do fine at 1080p aswell
if you desire high-refresh rate gaming there currently no real cap on performance even at 1080p though considering AAA games at 240hz is not really a thing yet so the only cap is your monitor
>>598901942
Try underclocking if your card starts to die on you, it might give you some extra time
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>>598897028
That power law debacle was the biggest nothingburger I've ever seen.
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>>598896130
1660 ti probably better than series s
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I've got a gtx 1080 and a 1440p monitor and this seems like the right thread to ask: what's a reasonable upgrade from 1080?
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>>598901742
>I play at 1080p
upgrade your monitor first, 1440p 144hz is the new 1080p
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>>598900385
Unless video editing no you dont
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>>598902123
Probably September
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>>598902123
september-ish
>>598902330
roughly equivalent to rtx 3050 so judge from there. going above 3070 would double your performance.
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>>598901968
lel I remember the Motorstorm trailer. I fell so fucking hard for that.
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>>598899257
what city?
>>598901868
wtf are you even saying
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>>598901968
Right? It's like giving money to scam citizen at this point. Only single digit IQ people should be falling for these tricks by now.
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>>598896130
I just want affordable 1080p cards again. If my current one dies there's realistically nothing to replace it with for under $200, used ones aside.
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seeing a ton of people in this topic looking for a billion and one reasons why they wont buy something they cant afford if they tried, btw you will need to buy by the time 2023 comes. your clown jokes wont change the world around you. top fucking kek, goyim
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>>598903258
Radeon 6000 series
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>>598903617
Are those the ones that require PCI-E 4.0 to work properly?
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>>598896130
>electricity prices around the world are getting fucked
you must be european or extremely poor. Electricity cost is nothing.
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>>598903562
90% of the posts here are thirty five year old NEETs, still living on Mom's allowance and still eating ramen, desperately trying to rationalize their poverty driven decisions as anything but poverty driven.
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>>598896130
will GPU prices continue to get lower?
I'm considering getting a 3080 for 1440p 144hz, and if I bought just 3-2 months ago I'd have overpaid like 400bucks holy moly
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>>598896436
The stronger the hardware, the more shortcuts devs get to take with rendering optimization. Time is money, and a lot of time and money is saved when fuckers go
>the minimum requirements will be a 3080ti, so fuck it.
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>>598896130
>What reason is there for anyone with at least a 2060 to upgrade in the next five years?
Meme resolution ultra (4K 60FPS Ultra). That's basically it. Anyone gaming at 1080p does not need beyond a 10XX right now.
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>>598903708
believe it's the standard one. i didnt need a new mb or anything
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>>598903953
>Anyone gaming at 1080p
>2022
kek
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>>598900914
Now show a full game streaming instead of a small section of Japan subway at those graphics.
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>>598902172
Just like anon doesnt read and understand why gas is still going up in the US, he didnt read the cali bill either.
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I'm still gaming my 1060 6GB I got in 2020 for $180 and I coudnt be happier
got a Nintendo Switch for anything else
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>>598904217
>meme resolution
>2022
kek How does it feel to waste money?
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>>598900667
9 more now faggot.
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>>598904406
How does it feel to have a job like a grown up adult, and to be able to afford the niceties? Pretty good. Now go mow Mom's lawn for your $15 this week.
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>>598903836
prices won't go down for real until 2 years from now when there's actually extra production of chips
for now we're in the recovery zone which means prices will go back to msrp at some point
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why the fuck would you need all this power? name 2 things that the lastest GPU in the market can't do and this can
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>>598905023
Skyrim with full ENB, 4k, with the 3BA vaginal physics body and 8k diffuse textures, and 60 fps
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1050 2GB here, i won't upgrade my GPU as modern games are shit
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>>598905090
You win, I kneel.
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>>598905023
my 2060 can't shit at least 1080p 120fps stable on modern games. Not even max settings.
If you play at 60fps its king.
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>>598905023
minecraft with shaders but otherwise just games at 4k
I don't need that type of power though I just want 120 fps 1440p or possibly good enough fps to play with ray tracing
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>>598896130
None.
The 3070 almost reaches 60 FPS in RDR 2 in 4K and that is the only game nowadays that really pushes GPUs.
And I don't think anything in the next 5 years will need more than RDR 2 needs.
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>>598896436
Games are hardly optimized anymore because literally every step in game development is a disaster now. Incompetent people are hired in every position, games are expected to roll off the line in only a couple years to please shareholders, direction changes mid-development, directors are retards dicking around on social media and watching porn most of the time, games don't have a singular vision because "everyone should have their say", teams are bloated beyond belief, fun gameplay doesn't actually matter, advertising/marketing is literally 70% of the focus, and politics are shoehorned in, so optimization past getting the game to run on the most current med-high level hardware is not seen important. It's so much worse than the average person thinks it is. Just look at Halo Infinite and BF 2042.
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>>598905754
This so much, take the indie pill.
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>>598901372
good
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I'm aiming for 100FPS at near 4K in most games and 60 min for UE5 games so yes I will upgrade.
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>>598905754
BF 2042 might be the exception because the game was so horribly made it literally killed one of the biggest FPS franchises in the history of vidya.
The example of Halo Infinite is spot on. AAA games are so dead (with a few exceptions from Japan) that even normies are starting to realize it. And if that is happening then they really fucked up.
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>>598906224
Infinite is infuriating because it genuinely doesn't look any better than Battlefront II 2017 90% of the time. Sure, there's an open world which will leave a small dent in FPS. But the game demands high tier specs at 1440P 100FPS that would blaze through BFII at 4K 144fps. What makes it more embarrassing is that Infinite is a free to play game. Free to play games are supposed to be well-optimized so as many people as possible can play them and buy microtransactions. They really shot themselves in the foot.
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>>598905754
1. it has less to do with incompetence and more to do with just force it we have the power to do so
2. companies like fromsoft get a freepass despite not actually upgrading their games from 2009
I haven't seen a single AAA game worth playing besides doom reboot and psychonauts 2 ghostwire tokyo death stranding in the past few years however that doenst stop AA shit from being unoptimzed like postal 4 and serious sam 4
hell /v/ seems to forgotten dying light 2 exists
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>>598896436
Because devs realised avances in technology can be used to utilise a less qualified workforce.
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>>598896130
Why does it look like people smoked around it for years?
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>tfw ARESGAME Bronze 80+ 750W
Am I gonna make it bros?
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>>598900914
looks like a PS3 game
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1080@60
>a good GPU with specs from 7 years ago R9 390 or 1060 or 1660
1440@60
>580 or upper 1000s
Higher FPS or going into 4k
>upper tier 1000 series or 2000s series
RTX
>future GPU
>enjoy the amazing Quake 2, worst version of Minecraft with select maps, and Cyberpunk 2077 bugs


Honestly RTX/DXR is kinda cool but its up in the air if its going to fall more hardware or software or a bit of both and games in general are catching up on it without a lot to offer at the moment. I've gotten decent 60+ frames on R9s and 1660s at 1440 on AAA even when sampling above 1440 and scaling down for a sharper image at high or ultra settings, but there is hardly much AAA to be worth that unless you have one or two games you spend a lot of time on that can use more power.

The jump to 1440 is noticeable from 1080 the impact of 4k from 1440 is less noticeable (unless you are gaming on a large TV) and much more demanding. 8k is retarded on a desktop size screen and distance and is purely to sell you shit you don't need. Steady 60 is a minimum, above it is nice and is noticed, passing 90-120 you do get diminishing returns unless you are a crazy twitchy FPS player, if you are here you are not.

UW monitors usually fall between 1440 and 4k at around 3 million pixels to push if I remember my math on them as they are usually 1440 as well but longer. Cool but support is often ass and you can get a battle between what a game will do, what Windows will do, and what the software for the monitor will manage so its another thing that can bitchy if a title is supported weirdly or not supported.

tl;dr Unless there is a AAA game out now and you have a seriously badass monitor to sink a lot of hours into the game with, old cards are fine and the 2020 cards were mostly a hype train to buy stuff.
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>>598896130
4k 144hz being the literal standard in any NEW monitor you might buy... obviously.
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>>598902503
Ideally you want 12gb VRAM minimum to handle 4k 144hz comfy on the latest games. Why do you think consumer grade GPU's are starting to come out with 24GB VRAM? I'll give you a hint it's not to appeal to poorfags like you with obsolete display technology.
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>>598904303
you would just move the goalposts again because you're a poorfag posting COPE
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>>598902426
actually it's 4k 144hz but hey you're already convinced the 'standard' is whatever crap you can personally afford while the rest of us actually live in 2022 and not 2018.
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>>598896130
olawd, here we go again
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>>598896130
The excuses modern civlization puts on not having enough electricity is fucking pathetic. We are more than capable of creating energy many magnitudes more than our current output. It's just bullshit politics and business as usual. Don't buy into the scarcity hype.

Artificial scarcity is their only way to creating "value".
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>>598902330
a card more recent than a 1080. What kind of retard question is this? If you get a modern display (4k 144hz) you're going to want a 2070super at least (or 5700xt). If you're happy to stay on 1080p you have no standards and I don't care what you do. Might as well buy a 1080ti haha
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>>598897773
isn't it all resistive heating? So if they produce the similar heating they are similar wattage?
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>>598897614
>>598899024
>>598912771
that's the joke
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If I'm just looking to drive my 1440p 144hz monitor as well as possible for the foreseeable future would a 30 series card be fine or should I just wait for a 40 series
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>>598915247
yeah but you either get cucked with VRAM or cucked with price
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>>598896130
Only if you want to train neural networks. Modern vidya is not worth it.
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>>598905023
sim racing with 3 monitors at 144hz
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>>598915247
Depends on when you think you'll want to buy your next GPU. 5 years? Go for a 30 series now. Longer? Definitely wait 6 months. Always pay attention to whatever the current consoles have in terms of hardware. Higher tier 30 series blows away the 2070 Super in the current Xbox. However, if you wait, you can get a 4070 that is rumored to match the 3090. As long as crypto mining doesn't bounce back (And it really doesn't look like it will any time soon), there shouldn't be a problem. When the GPU market is normal, they only sell out for the first month or two after release, and then you can get them whenever you feel like it.
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No one buying a 4090 is worried about the cost of electricity
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>>598901968
right, devs can't even make a good game anymore with likeable characters or plot or gameplay because they shove woke shit down peoples throats with "inclusive" narrative. Who the fuck cares about graphics when that dogshit is in the game?

Get me a good game first, then show me the pretty graphics. the reverse has always led to disaster (cyberpunk), especially for new IP.
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>>598900914
Elden Ring looks better
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>games being more dogshit each year
is there any reason to ever go higher than a 3080?

they would have to purposely unoptimize their AAA shit games like planned obsolescence
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>>598918226
VR requires really beefy hardware, especially the higher resolution headsets
Come fall I'm investing in a 7950X and RTX4090
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>>598918521
I'm not terribly up to date with VR, and I'm just a distant observer, but it's my understanding that VR saw some significant performance optimisations some years ago. So why does it require top of the line hardware? I remember stuff like the RTX1070 being "VR ready".
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I have a 1070 and ive been looking at a 3080 for weeks waiting for the price too come down but now im thinking a 3070ti would be a better upgrade for me. I just wanna play 1440p medium high settings and be able to get 144 FPS
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>>598904303
This is the exact same thing I thought when I watched it. I expect him to at least go all the way upstairs but he kept blueballing it. It does look good for the ~5 foot radius is shows, though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2paNFnw1wRs
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>>598901742
In the exact same boat. 1660 Super with a 1080p monitor and 1440p/144hz main monitor. Had 2 bad experiences with AMD gpus so I'm waiting for EVGA to stop being retarded or something. 3xxx series have such shitty vram sizes for the "low and """mid""" cards that its hard to justify even getting one.
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>buy a 1440p 144hz monitor expecting to have a RTX 3000 GPU by now
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>>598900667
My 1070 maxes out ER.
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Does anyone else not give a shit about memetracing? Seen so many comparisons on youtube and the only ones that ever really impacted me were the minecraft ones. most others are someone jizzing themselves of a really shiny puddle and I've never felt so disconnected from vidya hype.
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>>598896130
>What reason is there for anyone with at least a 2060 to upgrade in the next five years?
Having no screaming kids to feed I have a lot of disposable income to spend on whatever I like, including GPUs I don't really need.
Try not being a neet OP, it's pretty neat
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I wish games stopped trying to look better than they did around 2012.
Games could still like like half-life 2 or killing floor 1 and I wouldn't give a shit.
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>>598919967
I miss simple FXAA or whatever it was. I HATE TAA smear shit
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>>598896436
>why does every new game run terrible on older hardware?
>unoptimized turd
you answered your own question
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>>598919718
It's high hanging fruit. It's just something to watch improve every product cycle until it's standard. No one should be upgrading their card for ray tracing.

The best use case right now is playing old games with community ray tracing support. It's an insane face lift. But there's still very few examples right now.
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>>598919967
>old man yells at volumetric cloud
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>>598919072
1440p is a fucking meme why do you fags keep falling for it should have just went 1080p 144fps
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>>598896130
>electricity prices around the world are getting fucked
Speak for yourself, coalcuck
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>>598921387
because I wanted a 27" screen and 1080p would look like shit on it
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I can finally replace this piece of sit 5700xt FUCK AMD and their shithouse drivers
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>>598896130
>hugs low powered 750ti
the rest of you can go suffer your energy bills
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>GPU in stock physically at a store
>would have to take public transit to get there
>have a anxiety attack
>
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>>598918521
I'd wait on some better headsets and games to exist then determine what they need.
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>>598900934
Based nuclearchad. Pic related, my provinces power generation right now
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>>598921387
I have a 1080p and a 1440p screen and I can tell you that's bullshit, there is a very visible difference
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>>598902503
Just because your PC is a toy for video games doesn't mean everyone elses is too
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>>598896130
>electricity prices are getting mega fucked
>Transformers all over western nations are struggling
>governments convince NPCs that electric cars are the future (which will furthur destroy transformers and overwhelm an already bad electrical grid)
>food shortages happening as well as baby formula due to FDA fuckery as well as meat processing plant sabotage across the western nations
>War in Eastern European lands is causing Fertilizer shortage as well as crop harvest being down
>constant storms are happening destroying crops
>governments paying big money to destroy farmland and "excess" food
>Mainstream Media openly talking about Vaccines being useless and giving problems
>crypto market hard crashing and housing bubble is about to blow
>Bond Futures for 10 year yields are at literal 0
Its going to get really really bad next year. Is this the last year we can even play video games?
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>>598921538
What third world country do you live in that doesn't do delivery?
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>>598921823
Got any more made up shit to add to your greentext fantasy?
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>>598921948
Please give hard evidence to any of the points provided above. I'd love to see you break down each point and I already have hard data to counter any claim you make.
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>>598921918
in store stock doesnt count for delivery. IT HAS TO BE IN THEIR WAREHOUSE
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>>598922013
I reiterate the question. I can order local store stock for delivery at my local PC parts store. Their site even lists both local and warehouse stock separately, both of which can be delivered
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>>598922013
The MemoryExpress in my city will deliver same day from the store near my house
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>>598919718
NVIDIA are masters at marketing. Yes, you're correct, it doesn't matter at all.
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>>598921823
Just because US infrastructure is garbage doesn't mean the rest of the west is too.
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>>598919718
>>598922203
Don't expose your poorfag cope in a cringe attempt to sound unique. Just stay quiet
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>>598922115
ok calgary fag. they take 8 days to deliver anywhere else
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>>598922212
Thank God you are European. I don't even care to debate you. You are not my problem
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>>598922239
>shill shows up in less than a minute to defend spending thousands of dollars on gaytracing
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>poor poor poor
I forget /v/ has such a young userbase
What guy over the age of 25 doesn't have over 10k in the bank
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>>598908872
Why she cry???????????????
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>>598922337
Cope poorfag
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>>598922310
I'm not European.
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>>598896130
I've got a 2080 Ti and intend to upgrade for better FPS at 4k.
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>>598922405
Ok
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>tired of my room becoming a sauna every time I game
>picked the most energy efficient components in their respective product lines
>5600x and 3070
feelsfrostyman
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>>598896436
modern devs don't know shit about optimizing so they let newer hardware brute force it for sub par performance while older perfectly capable hardware gets fucked
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>>598900667
>Elden Ring
>>598904471
>9 more now faggot.
What? No wtf. Elden ring may run more poorly, but it certainly does NOT look visually better than rdr2
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>>598922505
>He doesn't have air conditioner in his room
ngmi
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>>598922505
DUMB fairy, she's so fucking stupid.
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>>598896436
Wirth's law
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>>598896436
Optimization is fucking dead. Why bother with that when you can just brute force it with $1000 dollar GPU's?
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>>598896130
People overexaggerate the issue.
I had no problem getting a 3090 and 5900x during release.
And If a few thousand is going to bankrupt you then maybe buying a gaming system is the least of your concerns.
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>>598922505
Is it quiet oo
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>>598896436
because no one actually optimizes for hardware because that fucktuples the complexity of your codebase and gamedevs are fucking retarded to boot
all those fancy hardware specific features?
even if they're on 90% of GPUs and CPUs, fuck, even if they're on 100%, if they're opt-in and require any amount of effort to implement,literally no gamedev is going to use them
they only see use in fields that pay well enough to employ people to understand how hardware works
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>>598922505
>5600x
Intel 12th gen is more efficient in games. Go look at your idle temps right now, I dare you.
>3070
RX 6800 is faster and more efficient.
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>>598922786
*who understand
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I have an RTX 3080 laptop which is about the same as a 3060 Ti, though maybe a little better because it's actually the more powerful 165w Alienware RTX 3080.

Am I set for at least the next 3-4 years at 1080p?
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>>598922828
wow by a whole .02
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>>598922776
yeah i got a scythe fuma(o) 2, the gpu hums a little more but it's nothing compared with the air turbine that was my old 290x
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>>598922786
I don't know bro, programmable shaders are in 100% of GPU and used extensively.
>>598922505
12600K and 6800 are more efficient.
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>>598922828
12th gen wasn't even out when I bought it and I like DLSS
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>>598923010
>12th gen wasn't even out when I bought it
Doesn't change the fact that on Ryzen the SoC is putting out a constant ~15W. Idling at 40-50 C is normal. They're the most efficient at full load, not at idle or in games.
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>>598922917
For laptops I never go higher than the xx70 series.
Anything higher starts to have performance negated due to the overall power budget and limits of heat dissipation.

My 2070 Super laptop actually runs within 10% of the speed of the desktop variant because it has enough of a power budget.
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I hate the third world, stop consuming MY energy.
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>>598923082
Ok
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>>598905641
Cope
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>>598900914
>this video
lol, lmao even
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>>598923139
Ok
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>>598896130
Serious question: What games do you guys even play with those high-end GPUs? Every new game is fucking hated or unoptimized piece of shit that all /v/ does is ridicule them. It's mostly indie or Japanese shit that doesn't require much power to play games. No one fucking likes these new graphically intensive games, so why even buy shit like an RTX 3070 or above that range?
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>>598922990
oh wow how many years has it been since OpenGL 3.3
i was talking about shit like all the hardware and vendor specific extensions in DirectX, Vulkan, OpenGL, and GLSL and HLSL for the GPU and SIMD instructions on the CPU
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Just wait for RDNA3, rumor is it will be really efficient.
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>>598921387
144 is the meme. I love it for desktop use, but for games I could care less past 60

I may have retard insensititivity to framerate though. I can play choppy VR and not be phased by it at all.
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>>598900914
fake and gay
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>>598923297
God Of War is a pretty good game, and has unlocked framerate.
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>>598923438
Rumor was that Vega would be a gift from God. That didn't happen. We'll see.
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>>598923438
>ZEN4 APUs will be as powerful as 3060m
Poorfags like me will be fucking happy with this shit.
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>>598923119
Laptop GPUs have insane power efficiency, a 3070 laptop vs desktop has at most 30 percent difference in performance but draws less than half the power
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>>598922774
>apartment
lol
>inb4 NEET
lmao
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>>598923438
I'm sure it will be, but it'll also have dogshit drivers that hold it back immensely.
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>>598924017
RDNA2 was great on day one. I don't know if the people still complaining about AMD drivers are being intentionally malicious or can't operate a computer.
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>>598924101
>RDNA2 was great on day one
Then how come AMD just released new drivers that improved performance by 20%?
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>>598924219
It's not like they advertised 20% more performance on day one. You got what you paid for, the +20% in DX11 is a bonus.
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>>598924305
>$1,000 GPU is 20% slower for the first 2 years because of the drivers
>this is somehow "great" and "a bonus"
Jesus, man.
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>>598924219
Nvidia already had their uplift with HAGS so AMD got their shit together and implemented it as well.
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>>598924101
>t. never used an opengl program/game on windows
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>>598924519
I mean, I bought the GPU knowing its performance at the time of buying. A patch gave it 20% in DX11. If you want to argue semantics it was 20% gimped, but everyone knows and expects the original performance.
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>>598924519
When you say "dogshit drivers that hold it back immensely", what comes to mind is drivers that don't function correctly. Let's say they constantly black screen on you or render games incorrectly. That's not the case. If AMD advertised 100 FPS in X game, and you get 100 FPS then the drivers are functioning correctly. An increase to 120 FPS post-launch is only a sign of an active driver development team. Complaining about free performance improvements is some of the most retarded shit I have ever seen. NVIDIA does it all the time too with their game-ready drivers, because that's how driver development is supposed to work.
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>>598901372
Just wait for Unreal Engine 6!
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>>598924769
>>598924773
That is some unbelievable cope. Even console warriors aren't that pathetic.
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>>598903716
I find it funny Americans literally live with their parents in their thirties and have the gall to call anyone poor lmao, buncha manchildren
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>>598925051
AMD will price RDNA3 to be competitive with NVIDIA at launch. If performance improves after launch and they end up beating the NVIDIA card after a few years (see: 480 vs 1060) then how could this possibly be a bad thing? You look at FPS numbers and if they're higher on AMD it doesn't matter what their internal driver architecture looks like. As long as the driver doesn't have stability problems nothing is being "held back".
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>>598925231
>I find it funny Americans literally live with their parents in their thirties
L O L
O
L

I wish this was true instead of being a rentcuck. Pretty sure you europoors will also have this problem in the future.
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>>598925231
weird non sequitur there, are you perhaps a thirty year old living in your parents house
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>>598896130
>>electricity prices around the world
Europe/USA isn't the whole world, retard
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>>598896436
If you want an actual answer instead of just 'optimization' in the abstract:
Older hardware has lasted longer than it ever has. An RX 480 is still mostly usable these days, if probably not for much longer. Games publishers will keep pushing for newer graphics because flashy screenshots sell games. Always have, always will. If they keep making the graphics better they will sell more games. Additionally they have industry interconnections with nvidia and AMD that encourage them to stay bleeding edge.
And while saying things are unoptimized is in itself useless, there has been a shift from more tightly designed bespoke engines which may give better performance to catch all solutions like UE4 or 5. This is as much due to workflow improvements they provide as with saving money on graphics programmers. That is also a concern though because the skill and man hours required to code modern high fidelity engines has ballooned. There are not enough sufficiently competent people on earth for every games studio to make their own bespoke engine.
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>>598896130
so, how's DLSS tech evolving?
I'm trying death stranding with DLSS on quality and shit gave me a 30fps boost and looks almost the same, but I guess it works because its a slow ass movie game and also it seems the implementation of DLSS is really polished in this game.
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>>598927547
It depends on who's implementing it, it fucking sucks in war thunder and has ghosting out the ass but it does give you a fuckton of frames
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>>598896130
would a 3060 ti serves me well for this gen? I'm playing at1080p with memetracing off
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>>598900934
>tfw overwhelmingly coal and natural gas
feels fucking bad man
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>>598918963
Because headset resolution is still going up and "VR ready" just means you can play games on lower res with low settings
You really need rock solid 90fps for the best VR experience
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>>598926101
They are both based, you fucking shill.
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I Pay 150€ every month with my 4 head Family ,dont know how it would change when i have that graphic card.
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>>598919529
Is your 1660s enough for that 1440 monitor?
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>>598896130
I got a 6800xt for MSRP so I'm set for a few years. Probably the biggest expense in my life after college.
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i'm going to make my 3060 last 10 years and there's nothing you can do about it.
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>>598931654
Nice
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>>598931795
Indeed
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All pc hardware power requirements fell during the 2010s, now they are pushing 4K 120hz in the industry+ NVIDIA are pushing Raytracing shit.
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>>598896130
Prices are going back to normal in Canada I may get one soon. Is a RTX 3050 worth it if I sell my liquid metal cooled RX 580 Nitro+ 4GB?
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>>598900914
Did he at least touch grass? I feel most of the people in this thread could use to touch grass.
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>>598900914
There will be an Unreal 6 and 7, just think of that
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>>598935105
true that, memeshit for consumers
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Series S --> 1660 Ti/3050
PS5 --> 3060
SexBox --> 3060 Ti
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>>598896130
3060ti or 3080 for the vram?
I'd be at 1080p maybe 1440 at most.
Not sure if to wait for the 40 series to reduce 30 series prices.
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i don't think i'm going to need more than a 2080 ti even for future 3d fighting games seeing how the genre will never have games above 60fps (and that's a good thing)
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>>598939725
>PS5 --> 3060
Try GTX 1060
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCvE4JGJujk
Series S is probably a 970 and shitbox is same as PS5.
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They cant keep increasing power draw. There has to be a limit.
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>>598896130
I upgraded to a 5700XT in 2019. Werks great at 1440p.
Probably won't upgrade until next gen consoles drop like I always do since 4K is a meme and there's no games worth playing to buy a 2K card for.
I almost feel sorry for the tards who bought 3080's at scalper prices.
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>>598940375
kek
consoles are a joke
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>>598940375
imagine believing this horseshit lmao
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>>598946406
Consoles can barely even maintain 60 fps at 1080p.
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>>598904303
this
>>598911748
retard
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>On 1920*1080, 1080ti draw 60W
>On 4k, it draws 240W
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>>598943397
Pentium 4 is proof that these companies lack any sort of self awareness. People said that 150W is crazy for a 1 core 2GHz processor well here comes Nvidia to show you've seen nothing yet.
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>>598897614
I dont have to pay for heating in winter. but I cant game as much during summer cuz the temp rapes my room.
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>>598946926
Try not living in a humid 3rd world shithole.
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What GPU will I need to outperform PS5/XSX for the whole generation?
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>>598947828
6600xt will do it easy.
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All the newer games have played perfectly well on my 1650 Super. Upgrading is a meme.
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>>598896130
A 180 dollar (RX 6500 XT) can run EVERY single game on the market a 30+fps ultra/high, and can run EVERY single game on the market at a low/medium 60+fps.

There is absolutely no need to upgrade, or ever buy high grade GPUs. You can literally never tell the difference between high and ultra settings, and even medium looks completely fine. Stop letting (((nvidia and amd))) sell you "high end" garbage and instead invest that money into your future house/car/kids/education etc.
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>>598896130
>What reason is there for anyone with at least a 2060 to upgrade in the next five years?
t. 1080p/60fps
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it's a mining card. 3000 series already maxes out everything when it comes to gaming.
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>>598923297
RE8 at 4k with HDR and raytracing is amazing. i can't hit 120fps all the time but it dips to about 70 in the busiest scenes and runs between 90-120 the rest of the time.
I also have an index headset and fanatec racing wheel setup, my previous 2070 was not up to snuff for simulators in VR.
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>>598903708
Radeon 6000 series works fine on PCIE 3.0 performance difference is negligible.
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>>598896243
Honestly, all the best games I've played had stronger art direction compared to graphics.
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>>598922828
I don't buy GPU's based on performance per watt, I buy it based on price/performance given that it meets the performance requirements that I have.
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>>598947828
3060/RX 6600 minimum 3060 ti/2080 ideal.
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>>598896683
You realize gpus can underclock itself? All you have done is limited maximum boost freq/voltages under heavy loads.
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>>598951124
Must feel great not being retarded
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I have a gtx 970 and that card runs every game.
I see no reason to upgrade, i probably just slap a second one in and call it a day.
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I'm still a 1080p60hz gamer. The only reason being, that I refuse to buy new monitors if my old ones still work.
I bought a 1660ti when it came out. What would be the logical upgrade if my card dies?
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>>598951880
Whatever current gen card is out at the time.
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>>598896130
this may be opfftopic. but can someone tell me what the fuck happened in the past 5 days with Bitcoin and the rest of the shitcoins?
Some motherfucker ran over me and broke my left leg. After that a nigger came and took my wallet and phone while I was lying on the floor bleeding. I've been in hospital since then and my sister finally got me a new smartphone.
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>>598952206
Bitcoin went under $30k, a bunch of shitcoins crashed as well.
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>>598952424
>Bitcoin went under $30k
yeah, but why? did Musk say something again on Twitter?
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>>598952424
...good?
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>>598952206
Where do you live by chance?
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>>598952474
Surprisingly, it's not Musk. People just decided now is the time to sell.
>>598952486
It is good.
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>>598952708
San Jose, Commiefornia
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>>598896243
I need my 8k/240fps games like right now. Only coping consoletards can manage to play games below 60fps at fake/upscaled 4k resolutions.
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>>598922505
I made the mistake of getting a 12700k.
Couple that with my 1080ti and it's pulling 500 watts playing flight sim game.
My room is very well insulated so the temperature climbs from 23C to 27C in just an hour of play it's unbearable
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>>598953128
Invest in air conditioning?
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>>598952910
Checks out.
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>>598900914
nice static image add a few uncanny npcs into the mix
UE was always trash and will always be trash that aims for realism nobody asked for in the gaming industry, maybe fuck off to making movies instead
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>>598947828
The 2060 outperforms the
PS5 which is hilarious.
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>>598896130
>max settings
>4k
40fps
>lowest settings
>1080p
360fps

Because we want both.
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>>598946486
>NOOOO IT'S NOT TRUE IT CAN'T BE
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>>598952474
Crypto is crashing but no one knows why. Because like why would you sell it? The dollar is sinking, so putting money in the bank is retarded. The other options are to put it on gold buy land or something? How else would you protect your capital?
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>>598897614
Lel, I have current gen hardware (5800X and RX6800) and at most, they draw ~300W together, which almost never happens what with games not even taking all cores
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>>598953975
most of /v/ can't tell the difference between 30 and 60 fps or 1080p and 4k. They think because graphics don't make big improvements there is no need for better cards. imagine being such a fag lmao
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>>598903708
I have been using my 6800 no 3,0 for over a year now and have no issues.
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>>598896130
>4090 needs up to 900W during peak gaming
>price for 1kWh is around 35 cents
>casual session for 10 hours forced to pay 3.50 for electricity
>3.50 times 30 days
>105 jewros bill only for gayming

Wew lad I think I'll pass considering I don't even have a decent PSU. Combined with a gaymer CPU you need min 1200W+ gold PSU or a 1500W to be sure. Can only possibly be chink engineers.
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>>598954687
>casual session for 10 hours
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>>598919718
Realtime raytracing is technically the holy grail of visuals, but we are about ten years away on consumer hardware. I do enjoy the cucks spending double to beta test that shit for me.
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>>598954829
24 hours on workstations, 15h+ on weekend gaming sessions, your point timelet?
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>>598954687
ah yes because a gpu is constantly under 100% load. i guess we just lost bros
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>>598952474
>but why?
either market correction or blackrock&friends crashing the markets with no survivors
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>>598896130
For ray tracing. Games are literally unplayable without 4k and ray tracing.
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>>598955063
if your GPU isn't at 99,99% load at all times during gaming, rendering whatever.. you already lost same goes for RAM
might aswell switch to iGPUs or entry if that's the case since the remaining power isn't utilized
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>>598900914
No one is going to be playing a game like that for the next 10 years, and even still it will be running in 30fps and will be a walking sim.
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>>598896130
>What reason is there for anyone with at least a 2060 to upgrade in the next five years?
indeed i have a 1660 super and i can play all the games i want to play, sure i don't max everything, but its good enought and it isn't power hungry card, when i build a computer i'm not building a fucking block heater
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>>598900597
Even being able to play rdr2 on ultra 1440P would justify binning that piece of shit of a gpu.
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>>598955671
I played games at this random kids house when my parents were visiting his parents. He kept talking about something called "ambient occlusion?" I looked closely at his screen and realized it was composed of colored squares. I almost vomited and never left the bathroom until it was time to go.
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>playing new AAA games that require insanely strong GPUs
I hope you guys don't do this.
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>>598922337
50%+ of america, retard.
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>>598956430
>playing AAA
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>>598956596
>for no practical reason
heh no
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>>598922774
jesus christ you live in a literal box like a fucking hamster or rat
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>>598902172
QRD? I'm a burger and it's the first I've heard of it.
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>>598900914
We can make the environment look as realistic as we want but the NPCs will probably still look uncanny
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>>598896130
My mid range xp rig from 2008 plays most of the good games ever made.
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>>598900667
i run elden ring at 1440p at 40-50 fps high settings with 1060 6g rofl
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>>598957571
>3D scans of actors
just a shitty attempt by movie companies to set their foot into gaming
nobody wants to play as an actor in their dog shit movie setting and nobody asked for it either
they do not have what it takes to make games and don't deserve anything
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>>598896130
>2060
Playing above Medium settings at 60FPS.
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>>598953128
>27c
thats fucking winter temp faggot
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>>598952474
Markets are over saturated. Retail is losing interest.
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>>598896130
I'm looking into gaming laptops, should I buy one with a 3060 now is the price gonna drop when the 40x0 series launch?
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>>598959646
>gaming laptops
get one now, they're always overpriced
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>>598900934
nakadashi alkaid
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>>598954687
>10 hours of gaming a day
>entire month straight
>casual
>>598955841
>you should not own a car that can do more than 70 km/h unless you're going at highway speeds from ignition until parking without slowing down

Your garbage shitposting isn't even funny your sense of humour is that of a middle schooler. How the fuck do you end up with such arrested mental development?
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>>598960159
Won't I get a better one for the same price if i wait?
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>>598958557
My room regularly reaches overs 90F on spring and summer months, quit being a pussy.
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>Just upgraded from a 780 to an 12gb 3080 cause I found it for cheaper
Did I fuck up
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>>598905641
>that is the only game nowadays that really pushes GPUs.
Cyberpunk
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>>598943986
>I almost feel sorry for the tards who bought 3080's at scalper prices
They will still be proud to buy it at an extremely expensive price, and with the excuse of u are poor
As long as I have my 1660s and waiting for the prices to keep dropping, I play at 1080p I'm in no hurry really
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>>598960571
must've hit the spot if it makes you seethe that much you shit faced autist
kill yourself
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>750 Ti 2GB
Give me one good reason to update, and I might think about it.
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>>598960571
>compares car engine to a elictrical circuit unit
you're adopted you mental cripple
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>>598896243
This but unironically. The difference in graphics between 2015 games and 2022 games is almost negligible
1080p 144hz is perfectly fine, you don't need 4k memes
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>>598961223
depends but perf increase will be marginal
check your budget and games you play then decide
if you find something right now I doubt you will see much difference with anythign 40xx laptop compared to 30xx tbqh desu
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>>598896436
Elden ring runs just fine on 970
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>>598964049
a meme 3050 would do you good unironically
or settle with a 6600 XT until 2040 your choice
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>>598896243
stop kvetching and upgrade to my lovelace 4090 anal plug included (with vibration) 900w+ GPU goyim
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>>598896130
Why are euros always complaining about electricity prices? Are they really that bad over there?
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>>598966120
yes new ath every year
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>>598965814
Not seeing any reasons.
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>>598966120
>stopped caring about nuclear power because some nigger said so
>went all out to renewenable "cheaper" wind energy, solar, clean energy and third party water turbine
>jewery at the main spot for european energy exchange
>price increase ever since
it's pretty fucking bad
>>598966954
good keep your 750 ti then sweety
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>electricity prices around the world are getting fucked
>around the world
around the western world
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>>598900914
Looks good until it turns to night; the lighting's a bit off there. Also keep in mind you won't be moving the camera like that.
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>>598953812
B-but muh 2080 ti equivalent!
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>>598896130
with rtx4090 I will get 50fps instead of 45 rtx3080 in vrchat
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>>598953812
How about the claim the series x is 3070 level??
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>>598896130
500euros for a FUCKING 3050
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Meanwhile I'm Gonna go from my relatively power efficient 2080ti to a 6800xt which I'll uv oc both barely used 300w each
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>electricity price
lol, it's only $0.03/kwh here even after all the crypto miners sucking up all the power
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>>598968861
I got mine for £259 a few days ago
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I will literally sell my 3070ti for a profit, buy either a 4070 or a 4080 depending on performance/price/power draw and likely not upgrade for 7 years or more.
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i just want whats best for my VR headset
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>>598922505
Im just gonna get a laptop next, uses way less power at minimal cost to performance compared to desktop versions.
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>>598969886
Lucky you
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>>598968334
No way in hell the PS5 beats a 2080ti, lmao thats literally the performance of a 3070 ti. Console tards deserve death.
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>>598954448
yeah that's why 600W for 40 series is a big deal
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>>598896436
>If that is true, why does every new game run terrible on older hardware?
Unironically laziness. Every single game released today could run on hardware probably 30-50% lower if developers actually just tried and made intelligent decisions instead of just trying to brute force graphics all the time.

Also there's literally no excuse for the size of any game past 20 gigs ever. You're just lazy.
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>>598903952
>The stronger the hardware, the more shortcuts devs get to take with rendering optimization.
It's exactly the other way around...
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>>598931179
Depends on what you mean enough. I got 32 gigs of ram and a 3700x and I can play most games at 1440p all low for a nice stable ~80 fps, which isn't that bad.
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>>598974967
>make small pixel art game in GMS2
>has 20-30 min of music
>convert to executable, 150 MB
>"that can't be right"
>change some sound compression setting
>get it down to 30 MB
>music sounds the same
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>>598900914

>Literally looks videogamey still.

So?
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>>598896436
Hans was replaced by Patel. But Patel still needs Mitch to clean up his shit code since he can't find a solution to copy from public online sources in their proprietary library.
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>>598978463
profiling code is cheap and easy to do nowadays but people are too retarded to do it so you hardly see any performance improvements if the problem isnt super obvious to said retards
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>tfw upgrading from an i5-4570/750ti to a i5-12400/3050 in a few days

In hindsight, I probably should've gotten a 3060, but at least I'll be able to run pretty much any game out there at decent settings.
Also, I hear Alder Lake CPUs are the optimal choice for RPCS3.
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>>598978758
it really means fuck all you're not getting a good gpu regardless until things are actually settled
otherwise personally I would not gone for a intel chip but that's just me and I don't have a need for emulating ps3 games
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>>598978758
>Alder Lake CPUs are the optimal choice for RPCS3
Isn't that because of AVX-512, which is fused off on the newer chips?
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>>598900372
aye bro u understand
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>>598979123
yea avx 512 is huge for ps3 emulation however it's a game of chance now if you'll be able to keep that shit working since intel be they force it by microsoft updates
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>>598896130
i have rtx 3070 and play gba games. the most demanding game on my pc is mh world or elden ring most likely, and i play them at medium because otherwise my room turns into a fucking oven.

powerful gpus are a meme.
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>>598979429
It's worse than that, Intel fused it off in hardware so it's a lottery if you get an older chip where you can force AVX-512 or a newer chip where you can't. The only way to get guaranteed AVX-512 support is to buy Rocket Lake which sucks for other reasons.
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>>598979612
or that shit is retarded in many ways beyond intel like ps3 emulation without a actual dualshock 3 sucks because of those stupid pressure based buttons
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>>598907085
>companies like fromsoft get a freepass despite not actually upgrading their games from 2009
Those games don't push a political agenda. They're automatically 8/10 just for that.
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>>598897342
YOU MAD FLYOVER BITCH???
California has a $97.5 billion budget surplus
we have more extra money than most states/countries
HAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>598980195
Spend some of that cleaning up the shit in the streets and preventing wildfires, Jose.
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>>598980195
I hope California invests that into some small modular reactors, affordable housing, mass transit, and universal healthcare.
Really show people in backwards states what the future should look like.
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>>598980889
looks like more modest goals for now - helping the state's citizens with inflation relief and rising cost of gas
>The governor is proposing $18bn in inflation relief in which millions of California’s car owners would receive $400 cheques to offset high fuel prices. About $4bn would go to low-income people struggling to pay utilities or rent. Small businesses would also see some tax relief.
https://www.ft.com/content/21249da0-273b-4db7-a1da-cf1d1bb68535
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>>598981310
>inflation relief
>injecting more printed money into the supply and increasing velocity
top kek
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>>598981495
>budget surplus
>"printed money"
holy shit flyover kids are fucking stupid LOL
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>tfw my vidya is powered by a nuclear powerplant
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>>598981310
$400 Checks isn't bad, but they should be coupling it with a 'Cash for Gas Guzzlers' program, add some further incentives for driving cars with reasonable fuel economy with steps at 50 and 100mpge, and build more mass transit and power generation capacity.
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>>598978729
i believe profiling code is one of those things like if you're smart enough to know how to do it, you're smart enough to also know which parts of your code are tanking performance by just reading it.

like if your AI script runs a search to check every other NPC's inventory every frame, and every one of your 25 NPCs have that script, you're now running 625 checks for inventory every frame, and if the inventory is an array the size of 10, you're now running a check for 6250 inventory slots every frame. if it's 50 npcs, you are checking 25000 inventory slots. smart devs will immediately recognize that as an issue, whereas devs like yanderedev will not, because they just write and hit compile until it "works"



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