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I like the idea of a sequel, but why didn't Square Enix lie to everyone by calling it a remake?
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The time jannies were a good addition.
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Remake was shit and Intergrade was even worse. I'm glad it will never be completed. I hope we get lots of Yuffie SFM porn.
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>>579344337
I liked it. Time jannies kept it fresh enough from the original and I enjoyed the gameplay most of all.

Time jannies being a meta-narrative representation of fans worshiping their sacred cow and not wanting a single thing different is just icing.
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>>579344337
>Final Fantasy VII: Remake
>Sephiroth and the ghost jannies literally "remakes" space and time
I see no lie here.
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Did they call it "a remake" beyond that being the title?
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>>579344337
>"Subverted expectations aren't bad. They're only bad if you liked the results or not." -Fat Sterling
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Time Jannies are funny as fuck and seethe was amazing fight me
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>>579344842

Tifa was so cool in this game, I liked the attack where she does a few standing hops/warmup thing and then beats the shit outta someone.
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>>579344390
Retard
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VIIR badly needs a competent writer to reign everything in together behind the scenes. Nojima has gone from ripping off Highlander 2 and UC Gundam to making just absolute fucking nonsense fiction these days with how the end of FFVIIR's ending went down.
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>>579344842
>>579345223
Fuck off.
>>579345110
He's right. Hell even localizations can even add soulful content in liu of out and out censorship. But this isn't an example in the slightest. Its objectively shit and panders to people who don't wanna play FFVII but want to claim that they did and normalfags too stupid and lazy to put the work in to play the original so instead they get to "experience the new gen of VII!"
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>>579345110
>Jim Sterling
>FFVII Remake thread

He'll never be as pretty as Aerith or Tifa, no matter how much drugs he's taking.
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>>579345060
Yes. There were articles about them saying its a remake and shit before release.
I only know this because I asked the same question you did last year and someone linked interviews about it.
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>>579345485
And then he has the gall to frame Nomura for his fucking awful work. So did Sony as a whole really and behinds the scenes THEY were calling the shots and enabling Nojima's already horrible takes while adding progressive bullshit. You know while the old game had no placeholder shit you could already do?
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>>579345568
Note that this is coming from someone who LIKED Advent Children AND Dirge of Cerberus. This is a rip off of Advent Children type anime FF shit. They managed to make Advent Children type shit WORSE. Its fucking unbelievable.
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So why weren't they sued for false advertising?
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>>579345568
>and panders to people who don't wanna play FFVII
That's not exactly true. While they did make it more cinematic and added realistic graphics to attract zoomers, most of the game was pandered towards those who play at least one of the older FF games. People who played FFVIIR first had no idea who Sephiroth was and why he was so important because the game did a shit job at explaining who he was.
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>>579345568
>still seething
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>>579345485
You need to get into theorycrafting youtube. Stop caring about the story being "good" or "bad" and watch people talk about the lore for hours and hours and hours.
Soon you won't actually care what is happening in the plot anymore and all that matters is what it adds to the lore.

For example Nero showing up in Remake is not good for the story, but it IS good for the lore and the theories.
Once you're a fan of FF7 theorycrafting literally everything that happens in the story, no matter what, is good - because it expands the lore. You can apply this to all the FF games and suddenly "bad writing" or "plotholes" simply disappear.
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>>579344337
If they just came out and said it was a sequel then I wouldn't have minded it. Marketing it as a remake when it isn't is scummy.
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>>579346184
This is the most retarded take ive heard in a while. STORY IS KEY.
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>>579344337
It is a remake.

It just didn't use the common definition of remake
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>>579345568
you literally don't get the best experience out of ff7r if you haven't played ff7 first, fuck off retard
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>>579345981
No one had the balls to go forward. But evidence abounds. But going down against Sony in the courts is suicide. You, call me /pol/tard all you want IM RIGHT, would basically being calling out the Jew in their natural habitat. A courtroom. No one wants to do that.
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>>579346184
I think it's fine to not care about the story but if you don't care about the story you're hardly going to give enough of a shit to keep buying sequels and dlc for the next ten years. the story is what will keep you interested.

besides there is so much story in 7R that you can't play it as only an action game. even skipping cutscenes it will feel slow as shit as you're forced to walk slowly through conversations you don't care about.
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>>579344337
>but why didn't Square Enix lie to everyone by calling it a remake?
They said from day one that there were gonna be changes.
No, "this change is fine but this other change is not" is not an argument. It is such a vague term that you literally cant complain.
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>>579345568
>hurr durr nobody who played the original could like FF7R
Stay mad Barryfag. I played the PC original in 98 and loved the fuck out of FF7R.
>>579346439 is right, almost no point in playing Remake if you didn't play the original, and considering how long it's been available there us no excuse to have not dome so by now.
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>>579344337
>"remake" 15% of a 23 year old game
>that will be 60 dollars + tip please
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You need to get into falseflagging posting, dude. Stop caring about the argument being "good" or "bad" and watch people fall for the baits, hours and hours and hours.
Soon you won't actually care what is happening in the thread anymore and all that matters is how much people fall for it.

For example pretend im a fan of the remake and act retarded on purpose is not good for the discussion, but it IS good for the shitposting and make me feel less alone.
Once you're a fan of falseflagging literally everything that gets praised in the game, no matter what, is wrong - because it is falseflagging. You can apply this to all the FF threads and suddenly "not a real argument" or "extrapolation" simply disappear.
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>>579344337
Dude it’s thanksgiving. What are you doing?
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I really like how they got into the rest of the world lore and fleshed out some characters, and ever had the combat system grow on me. But having the main boss fight at the end of the first disc was not a good move. The entire point that made the end off FF7 kino was the last fight from building up this villain from the start. Now, its down to a regular "Oh no! foiled again! Ill see you next DLC update, you rotten kids!"
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But you do watch theory videos
And you get mad when they're mocked
And it's true that people who make and watch theory videos stop caring about what's good and bad and only want "more"

Even now they're talking about what the shitty battle royale game brings to the lore. Who cares if it's shit, or even if the lore is shit. It's just more! So it's good.
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>>579347270
Lmao
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>>579347619
>WHAT IF VILLAIN... IS GOOD NOW???
yawn
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>>579347624
Who are you talking to? Meds.
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>>579344337
Because everything has to “subvert le expectations” nowadays
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>>579345357
I really enjoyed Tifa specifically and it makes me want a game of just her punching things. Cloud is boring by comparison and Barrett/Aerith are just support really.
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NOMURA BROKE INTO MY HOME, STOLE MY PS5, SHOT MY DOG, RAPED MY WIFE, FLIPPED HER OVER, AND WENT IN FOR SECONDS

SQUARE ENIX!!!! APOLOGIZE RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!!!
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>>579347624
I know you're talking to me and you are right. If you were wrong I would say so and explain why. But I can't.
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I enjoyed FF7R for what it was because I'm not blinded by nostalgia for a game I played when I was a child.
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>>579347815

AND YOU GOTTA HELP
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>>579344337
What are some other kino games out there that shit on fan expectations?
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>>579347834
>>579347749
>>579347624
FF7R threads are just hilarious desu
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>>579344337
I think it is really interesting what they are doing. I wanna know what sephiroth is actually doing (IF he has an ulterior motive instead of just slight rewrites of the original motives), and whats the deal with zack.
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>>579347792
Barret is boring but Aerith is broken af with her double-cast circle rune. If you build her for full offensive magic damage everything just becomes trivial.
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>>579344337
A remake is not a remaster. They were not updating the original game with the original vision so it was not a remaster.
Anything different constitutes it as a remake. They remade ff7 with a different idea in mind considering everyone who wanted to play it knew what happened in the original anyway.
This is not a sequel. I shouldn’t even have to explain why.
Please stop being ESL and learn proper English or at least google words before you use them.
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>>579344390
t.ime jannie
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Reminder that Cloud will die instead of Aerith at the end of game 2
Reminder that game 3 will have you play as Zack
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>>579347858
I liked Smash's presentation for Sephiroth where they said straight up "who the fuck cares about FF7 spoilers? it's the most popular RPG ever and it's twenty years old"
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>>579345981
They advertised a remake. They remade the game with a new vision. You’re a dumb fucking nigger who thinks remake and remaster are the same word when they clearly are not.
Is this a meme? Because I see this post over and over and over again. It’s like you retards want to ridiculed.
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>>579344337
Because most people hate the expanded universe FF7 stuff. A lot of us just wanted the original game remade.
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>>579346273
Sequels don’t make you re do the first third of the prequel to it. It’s not a sequel. It’s a remake.
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>>579348585
If Sephiroth wanted to Meteor he'd probably just beeline for the materia right now, now that the plot ghosts are dead and won't keep him from getting it ahead of schedule, and not even bother with all the rest.
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>>579348930
Didn't you see the Smash trailer? Nobody cares
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>>579347858
I’m dissatisfied with with FF7R because I want FF to be the best it can be and demand excellence.
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>>579346184
I feel sorry for zoomies who experience everything second hand from youtube instead of for themselves
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As someone that beat FF7 Remake at launch and went back to 100% FF7 afterwards, they're both great fucking games. Obviously FF7 is better right now because it's a complete package with an entire world already in the game to explore, but FF7 Remake seems pretty promising now that they're hitting the world map in the story.
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>>579349104
>I want FF to be the best it can be and demand excellence.
You're a fool for expecting anything more than mediocrity.
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>>579348930
You're a flaming retard living in a 1997 timecapsule if you think they'd completely disregard a movie, two other games and book material from Compilation.
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>>579349104
people would have complained about something no matter what we got, so I don't see how any criticism of FFVIIR is valid
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>>579349350
There wasn't anything blocking him in the original game and the literal word-of-God that would have been keeping him away from it in Remake is now gone. I don't think Meteor's anything he cares about right now.
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>>579346184
This pasta is stale and shit
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>>579344337
>Sell the opening for full price.
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>>579344337
>make alternate timeline
>let Jessie die AGAIN
ONE.FUCKING.JOB.
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>>579349313
this but unironically, "7 remake" is a bad idea because of the rabid fanboys it has that wouldn't be satisfied by anything put out, if all anybody can talk about is the plot being wrong then you can assume they're clutching a naruto headband to their chests as they type
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>>579349313
I wonder if you act this sperg over any other game you criticize, jimbo. You cant deny you've become insanely obsessed with this game to the point that people just ignore your so-called objective criticism and you cry how no one wants to take you seriously.
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>>579349268
I was hoping they would realize how stupid all of that shit was.
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>>579345568
>Not for people who liked the og
Shit take. I enjoyed most of it and the original is one of my favourite ffs.
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>>579349268
If anything the people that complain about Compilation should be fucking delighted that Remake's timeline doesn't leave any room for Advent Children.
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>>579349462
But it's right
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>>579349554
She's not dead in Zack's timeline
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>>579349635
it's so heckin' valid
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>>579344842
>Time jannies being a meta-narrative representation of fans worshiping their sacred cow and not wanting a single thing different is just icing.
they're Jenova trying to stop Sephiroth's will from breaking free and being reborn via Cloud's memories of him wtf are you talking about
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>>579344390
Double retard.
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>>579344337
>OP is so illiterate regarding nedia that he has never seen a requel.
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>>579349313
I made this idiotic argument in the past and now that I see someone else making it I realise how dumb it sounds
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>>579344337
I think the combat was great. One of the best implementation of action based combat. They really improved over the dumpster fire that was 15.
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>>579349684
FF7's plot and ending in general were flashing by them, hence Red XIII's line that went like "it'll be tomorrow if we fail today"
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>>579349782
I'm pretty pleased that Naoki Yoshida's basically assumed the helm for the series, Nomura and Nojima work best in creative roles and Nomura's pretty shit if forced to assume a leadership role.
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>>579349313
Everyone ignores your posts and nobody replies to them, especially me, every time.
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>>579349797
>FF7's plot and ending
just the meteor, not the happy ending. For them, the meteor falls and sephiroth wins. Thats the fate they wanna change.
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>>579344337
Liked it. Played with expectations because everyone, even people that have never touched the original PS1 version of FF7, knows the plot of the game through cultural osmosis. Kept things familiar enough to evoke nostalgia yet different enough that you couldn't accurately predict where the plot was going. The idea of the original FF7 acting as a 'blueprint' of the destiny that FF7:R allows the old PS1 game to maintain value while Remake is able to switch things around, add or remove ideas and mechanics to make things fresh. What they did allows both titles to compliment one another instead of a 1 to 1 remaster where one version would inevitably be considered more valuable than the other. Nomura did nothing wrong.
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>>579349957
They were watching Holy happen and Red XIII running around with his family, they didn't see anything of Advent Children and beyond, they saw FF7's ending. FF7 ends on a pretty raw deal for the heroes and the planet (possibly humanity's extinction) from the point of view of the heroes.
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>>579349635
In a hyperbolic and disingenuous sense, yes.
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>>579349462
>reeeee you can't just be interested in finding out more and looking into the mythos of the gaaaames
>stop watching lore videos STOP IIIITI!!!
No I don't think I will. Stay mad about people enjoying things.
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>>579350061
>They were watching Holy happen
they didnt see this. They saw the meteor.

>and Red XIII running around with his family
With 0 context.
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>>579345648
It's why I'm avoiding this "remake" like radioactive excrement.
For years it wasn't going to happen, but THEN IT WAS HAPPENING.
Every press release indicated it was a remake, "true to the original", then the leak happened, then the backpedaling and disclaimers came out.
I hate this timeline
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>>579350024
yeah but you save faggot blacked shit so who cares what you have to say
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>>579349690
This, people believe the meta narrative shit way too hard when there is literally no comment by the directors/producers about that headcanon
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>>579350116
How so?
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>>579350159
Well you've conceded that they saw Red XIII which means the planet didn't die and they're aware of that, which means Sephiroth can't have won

Checkmate, faggot
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Worst game I've ever finished, and that will likely be better than any of the sequels. Can't wait for the NFT gacha mobile-only finale in 12 years.
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>>579350173
They were totally overbearing on just how heckin' true to the original it was, it should've raised eyebrows but for most people it didn't.
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>>579349690
>they're Jenova trying to stop Sephiroth's will from breaking free and being reborn via Cloud's memories of him wtf are you talking about
i would unironically love this

I want jenova to be a mastermind for once, ive always been so disappointed at her treatment in the original game.
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>>579350143
Wrong you based retard.
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>>579350304
>Well you've conceded that they saw Red XIII which means the planet didn't die and they're aware of that
they literally got flashes of the future with no context or when or how things happen
you cant just say "yeah red xiii happened after meteor so we are all alive yay"
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I've played the original many many times, it's not that I'm worried about the time Janny shit, its that I'm afraid of just how much they will change the characters. Will they let Aerith live and kill Tifa, will they make Aerith and Tifa gay are my two biggest fears and im picking up on subtleties that I don't fucking like.
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>>579350385
Jenova is a mindless force of destruction and not really important, she's a vehicle for Sephiroth to gain power. She's a reuse of the Warring Triad as a plot-point in FF6, like a lot of plot-points in FF7
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>>579350485
Everything else was in sequential order of plot, it makes no sense to assume Red XIII's segment of the ending wasn't in sequential order
>so we are all alive yay
Yeah that's the fucking point, FF7's ending doesn't say they're all alive regardless. What it also doesn't say is Sephiroth won, by any stretch of the imagination
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>>579350507
aerith is still pretty into cloud and she opens with plot knowledge on her death that she shouldn't have, she tells him not to get too attached

arguably a bigger worry is her going for the alternate dimension zack leaving cloud alone and afraid for tifa to molest
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>>579344842
>and I enjoyed the gameplay most of all.
LOL play better video games
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>>579350229
It discards any level headed approach. You don't beed to be a theory fag to find some aspects of ot interesting, nor do you need to diaregard any kind of discussion.
Also
>Nero appearing is bad for the story
Is fucking subjective lingo
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>>579345485
He's still ripping off shit, Remake's time plot is near identical to the new Eva movies and fucking Monster Girl Quest Paradox of all things
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>>579350221
There's literally no comment from the directors/producers about it being Jenova either.
Also why would the directors/producers insult their rabid, retarded fanbase by directly comparing them to the time jannies?
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>>579350873
Why the hell would I play Nioh instead, that's a totally different approach to ARPGs
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>dude I LOVE how SEETHING people are over this game! based nomura filtering everyone!!
Part 2 comes out, sells like shit, remake project dropped
>NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO IT'S NOT FAIR WHY DIDN'T SE TWEET ABOUT THE GAME MORE WHY DIDN'T PEOPLE BUY IT NOW WE'VE LOST TWEWY AND FFVII REMAKE AAAHHHH FUCK YOU BARRY
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>>579346439
Buddy I did and let me tell you it made the experience WORSE.
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>>579350873
epic running back and forth, so fucking cool broooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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>>579344337
because no one would have payed for ff7 you can (not) redo - disc 4
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>>579350917
>>Nero appearing is bad for the story
>Is fucking subjective
It's not
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>>579351031
this but
>oh well, was fun while it lasted. Gives me more time to play eroges
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>>579351146
i can disagree with you on it so yes it is

niggers tongue my anus
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Yea, a better one.
>>579351056
>press button and hit enemy
>WOW COOL
Is this how dumb people pretend they're having fun? Here, you can do that in a better game as well.
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Does anyone else think Wall Market fucked them up as a kid? There's literally a scene where you get in a bath tub with a load of naked men and another scene where you're almost gang raped.

What was Squaresoft thinking?
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>>579351247
i get what you're trying to do here anon but i've seen it twenty times already on /v/ today and it's thanksgiving, give it a rest on the faggotry for just one day
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>>579350961
>There's no comment about it being jenova
So to you a cronenberg type alien that is able to fuck with one's perception of reality and literally infect and corrupt the lifeblood of the planet has no agency, but the devs shoehorning a pseudo meta narrative that doesn't fit the overarching themes of the story makes sense? When they have, explicitly, not said anything regarding beaides your usual "it's hard remaking beloved title blablabla pr talk"?
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>>579350917
Exactly. Nero showing up is neither good nor bad. But it is more lore, and adds to the discussion and theories.
Some people might say Nero showing up in remake was bad. They're wrong. Nero showing up is more lore. Which means more lore videos.

Show me one person who loves discussing FF7R lore who hated Nero showing up. You can't. That's the magic of getting into theorycraftiing. You've proven my point.
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>>579350370
I wanted to believe, so I did
Glad to see I'm still capable of dreaming, even if it got crushed
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>>579345981
are you forgetting the shit that happened recently or something? there are no class action lawsuits because no one can group together because fucking virus. which clearly has been overblown since you apparently forgot australia is still under martial law as we speak because of it.
>I don't care because im not australian
you will when they put you in a camp
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>>579351190
Nero appearing in the story is good? Why?
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>>579351326
>So to you a cronenberg type alien that is able to fuck with one's perception of reality and literally infect and corrupt the lifeblood of the planet has no agency, but the devs shoehorning a pseudo meta narrative that doesn't fit the overarching themes of the story makes sense?
Yes.
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>>579351491
it adds more lore
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>>579351491
i am not going to get roped into your fucking stupid dribble lipped arguments because i've seen you already a thousand times, you are in every FF7 remake thread, you have nowhere to go with asking me this that isn't trying to rope me into a stupid argument to feed you attention, and i'm making a dangerous mistake by even giving you this response

quit being a fucking faggot, it's thanksgiving
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>>579351146
It is. Nothing about him breaks the narrative that shinra keep weirdos and fucked up supersoldiers just in case, and all he did in game was give further motivation to a character that lacked some, that selfsame motivation being connected to Shinra and to the original main them of FF7, death (of loved ones) . You may not like Nero's characterization, and that's a fair complaint but they're also acknowledged as out of left field in the same universe they're presented, so personally he's completely inoffensive.
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>>579351620
WHY WOULD YOU EVER RESPOND TO A SHITPOSTER SERIOUSLY.
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>>579347792
Tifa was based as fuck in advent children as well, she lost to Loz in the church but she fought like a total badass
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>>579351262
How young were you? If you were in your teens you should have realized it was just wacky Japanese humor. Unless you're autistic.
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Remake's timeline would mean Advent Children already happened though
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>>579351318
It's thanksgiving and you're on fucking /v/. And FF7R's combat was made for 10 year olds that enjoy pressing A for AWESOME. FFXIII's combat system was more interesting than FF7R's.
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>>579351390
>show me a person who discusses lore that dislikes nero
I can send you a link and a timestamp. Your point was also that it was bad for the story, now you backpedalled saying its neither good nor bad.
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>>579347969
The one thing that I didn't like about FF7RE was the fact they replaced all of the voice actors. I was PISSED when Quinton Flynn (Raiden) was replaced as Reno, but the new Reno sounds like a stereotypical limp-wristed San Francisco faggot.
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>>579351652
>if you don't want Nero in remake you're a shitposter
oh boy you're going to be fun when they reveal genesis aren't you
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>>579351564
Then you sir, are a retard.
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Shoulda just made ehrgeiz 2 or something
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>>579349632
...You retarded mother fucker. You didn't even see FF7RE's ending or the lore dump on the FOUR Sephiroths that show up in FF7RE.
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>>579351824
>I can send you a link and a timestamp.
Please do
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>>579351796
No.
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>>579351620
I see. Maybe I need to watch these theory videos.
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>>579351652
Because I have no lack of self control and some other fucker who isn't a shitposter might reply.
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>>579351932
You killed several Advent Children ghosts as the big whispers, and they were the ones keeping the timeline on FF7's track and thus AC's track. There's no hope for AC happening in this timeline.
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>>579347792
Tifa is basically a straight copy of playing as Eight in Final Fantasy Type-0
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>>579351796
I live in Canada, Thanksgiving was last fucking month. Today is literally nothing more than the day before Black Friday for the entire world but you.
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>>579351247
Have you played FF Origins by any chance?
I've only played Nioh 1 (will play 2 soon) but I'm wondering how FF Origins is coming off a Nioh fan
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>>579351953
Go to nsp's latest "featuring" stream.
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>>579352109
You misunderstand. AC is already in this timeline's canon. Of COURSE it won't happen again, it already did.
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>>579352230
That's stupid even by the standards of time-traveling ghosts.
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>>579344842
>Time jannies being a meta-narrative representation of fans worshiping their sacred cow and not wanting a single thing different
Why did the ghosts not remove Roche from the game? Or the Honeybee Inn dance sequence? Or the retard who lost his shit in the sewers? There is no consistency in this reading, it's nonsense.
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>>579351601
Sounds like your answer would be proving me right. But sure Anon, let's pretend you have a secret answer that's really good, but nobody is allowed know about it.
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>>579352059
You don't need to, it's all previous known information plus the actual game itself.
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>>579352223
>>I can send you a link and a timestamp.
I guess this was a lie
>nsp
Am I supposed to know who that is?
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>>579352389
same reason the whispers only show up like once to bar yuffie from an area in her dlc chapter since she's not really doing anything plot-relevant
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>>579352272
... Are you illiterate, or some sort of bot?
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>>579352496
You can't seem to understand how fucking cause-and-effect and sequential occurrence works, so believe whatever you want to believe.
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>>579351247
Nioh isn't better or worse, it's just different. Plus it gets old, finished dream of the demon and I'm tired of oneshotting the same bosses
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>>579351796
>It's thanksgiving and you're on fucking /v/. And FF7R's combat was made for 10 year olds that enjoy pressing A for AWESOME

I thought that was FFXV's:
http://www.novacrystallis.com/2014/09/with-final-fantasy-xv-i-do-want-to-make-it-more-casual-says-tabata/
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>>579352596
Before Crisis > Crisis Core > FF7 > Dirge of Cerberus > Advent Children > and then FF7RE. That's the canon order.
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>>579352489
>i guess this was a lie
Not really, but i shouldn't have said i could give you a timestamp, retard mode
>am i suppose to know who that is
One would think, since you're making claims about theoryfags.
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>>579352762
FFR7 takes place at the same point in time as the original FF7. That is the whole point. Wipe the drool off your chin
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>>579352809
>FR7 takes place at the same point in time as the original FF7
You retard.
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>>579352886
Okay so you don't actually understand FF7R is a differing timeline being forcibly kept on another timeline's track.
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>>579352489
Also, to add, Soldier 1st Class is another e-celeb theorycrafter that literally changed his entire channel and twitter because he got butthurt about the new direction.
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>>579352806
How about linking to this video then? A timestamp is too much for you, but I'll take a link. I searched nsp on youtube and got Ninja Sex Party which I'm guessing isn't the right thing.
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>>579352934
Oh, it's a different timeline. But chronologically the events of Advent Children had to happen before that Sephiroth could travel back to the new timeline.
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>>579352389
They are there to make sure the same major things happen. Nothing you listed changes anything major.

Fighting Roche doesn't interfere with the eventual bombing attempt of the No. 5 reactor. Jessie, Cloud and co. get the stuff they need and the mission goes on, they confront airbuster and Cloud falls to the Sector 5 slums church.

The dance sequence in the Honey Bee Inn doesn't change the eventual infiltration of Don Corneo's mansion, learning of the Shinra plot to drop the Sector 7 plate and the escape from the sewers to confront Shinra at the pillar.
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>>579352493
And what is that reason? Even if major plot events are forced to proceed as they did before, the other alterations aren't minor or irrelevant. The setting and the characters have been altered, in some cases radically to the point where the game is no longer telling the same story as the original. If the ghosts were a pre-emptive dismissal of fanboys, they would be present in every single scene and snatching summon materia away from the player and scrubbing the soundtrack of new songs etc.
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>>579344337
The remake is just another SPINOFF piece of crap in the long-long-line of FF7 extended universe games, and thus nothing to get too worked up about.

There's still a CHANCE they might one day actually give us a real remaster of FF7.
I'm also very excited for Shenmue 3 when the real one of that releases.
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>>579344337
It's....REMAKING...Final Fantasy 7

99.9% of you didn't read the words meaning correctly.
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>>579352961
https://youtu.be/MvPC8JHRQsY
Prettt sure this is the latest one. If you go to nso's channel you'll find tons of theory fagging regarding ff14, ff7r and 15.
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>>579352389
>>579353043
Furthermore, the only time the jannies interfere here is to ensure Jessie doesn't attend the Sector 5 bombing mission in Tifa's stead, and making sure Cloud doesn't die falling to the Sector 5 slums (which is unclear in the original how he survived such a fall; a flowerbed wouldn't have meant shit after hitting a roof from that heigt).
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>>579344390
Time ghosts suck
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>>579352156
I actually didn't try the demos, though you would think as a big Nioh 2 fan that I would. There are two issues I have with Origin.

The first is that Nioh 2 is still satisfying me. You've played Nioh 1, so you're aware of the NG+ feature in the Nioh games. Going through ALL the NG+ difficulties can make the game an immense challenge. It's also harder since there are few guides out there to tell you exactly what you need to do to quickly progress through it. Of course, the fun is just playing more of the game with different difficulties, enemy layouts and enemy move sets. So, there's still a lot in Nioh 2 that keeps me coming back.

Second is that I have a problem with Final Fantasy Origin. It's not exactly Nioh 3 and it doesn't look very Final Fantasy to me (The only mainline FF game I feel aesthetically doesn't look like an FF game is X, even though I enjoy certain aesthetics in X. X's look just never jived with me. I like how the rest look). The idea of putting a Final Fantasy skin on a Nioh game is actually something I would meme about before Origin was announced. But what we got doesn't look at all like a Final Fantasy game to me, just from the aesthetics and it feels less like Nioh 3 and more like a Nioh knockoff. That said, I'm still interested in it, if for no other reason than because it is being made by some of the team that made Nioh 1/2. But its release date will make it tough to grab day one. Elden Ring is looking like it'll be good imo, and I doubt 1 month with ER will be enough for me if it is good.

So, I can't speak for Origin myself, but I hear the similarities to Nioh are both there and not there. We'll see. I always hope a good game is made rather than a bad one.
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>>579353265
>2 full hours of a theorycrafter telling someone that they're wrong to dislike remake
Well this changes everything, thank you Anon
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>>579352156
Not him but weapons behave more like you'd expect from something like Monster Hunter or even Devil May Cry than from Nioh or Dark Souls. They have a straightforward string of attacks on the normal button press, some weapons have a charge mechanic to their attacks, and all of them have at least a couple moves you can initiate by holding the stick forward, back, or to the side during points of a combo. Your equipped job also determines which set of core abilities you have, and upgrading that job can change parts of how the abilities function, for example Dragoons get Jump as a dodging, heavy-hitting (and potentially armor-crushing) attack, and Jump's upgrade on the skill tree for Dragoon is a sharp upgrade to its functionality by causing it to chase enemies instead of go straight up and straight back down where you're currently standing.

You can equip two jobs with their own gear-sets and change between them on the fly, and change your jobs from the pause menu whenever you feel like. Jobs are very varied in actual functionality, but most have a straightforward progression rooted in a "base class," and the difference in base class to "advanced job" (classical Final Fantasy jobs like Black Mage, Dragoon, Knight) is generally an alteration to that core ability, some changes in suppkementary abilities, or how hard a core ability hits. Mages differentiate the hardest between eachother with Black Mage gaining access to spells that its base, Mage, doesn't have, Red Mage acting as a half-way point between Knight, Mage, and White Mage, and White Mage exchanging ALL of Mage's attack magic for healing, support, and buff spells.

Known weapon-types are swords-and-shields, maces, greatswords, spears, fists/knuckles, dual daggers, katanas, and axes. Katanas and axes haven't been shown off in-game yet. Main jobs for weapons are Knight, mages, Warrior, Dragoon, Monk, Thief. katanas/axes unknown.

It's actually nothing like Nioh in general gameplay, but shares RNG loot.
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>>579344842
>Time jannies being a meta-narrative representation of fans worshiping their sacred cow and not wanting a single thing different is just icing.
This is a headcanon made up by coping zoomers pretending their product isn't vastly inferior. In reality they're just some bullshit Nojima made up because he wants to "improve" FF7's story but have an excuse of "oh well this isn't supposed to be a remake, it's a re-make!" in the very likely and ultimately eventual case people didn't like it.
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>>579344337
Because, how else were they going to get the crowd that thinks FF7 is the greatest game ever made, most FF7 fans HATE the Compilation stuff so they liked and said it'd be 100% faithful, added in time jannies, deep ground and everything else, and because it's the "original" FF7 every morning with low standards ate that shit up, pic related being the poster child of that demographic. Does that answer your question?
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>>579353675
you blew it in the first fucking sentence
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>>579353742
How so? Everything in it is objective fact.
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>>579353265
I watched four minutes and the guys argument was “marvel Star Wars approach, I get to have more!” Does he say anything interesting
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>>579346184
This
I'm personally playing the new mobile BR game and watching a lot of YT videos and streams about it because of all the lore in it. The game itself is pretty bad (and that's when it actually works) but the lore keeps me invested.
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#Ad #SponsoredContent
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>>579352134
>I live in Canada
Whoop-de-fucking do.
>>579352650
I certainly find it far more interesting to play. If you get bored of one-shotting bosses, why is it fun to juggle an enemy around, like Tifa is in that webm, that can do absolutely nothing to stop you or is completely non-threatening. It sure looks cool. But it feels terrible to execute and is completely boring. You know what was interesting in FF7R? The VR summon battles. Well, at least Shiva's was. Ramuh was annoying as fuck.

>>579352721
I honestly liked FFXV's combat and the whole game more than FF7R, even thought FF7R was an actually finished game. And I'm talking about day one release FFXV btw and not including all the enhancements they made to it like playable party members and shit. I actually think a lot of the fixed made the game worse. FFXV's combat wasn't better than Nioh's though. Also FF7R girls > FFXV girls.
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>>579353707
>"the future of remake is unclear... but that's okay. as long as they don't add dirge of cerberus shit, I'm happy!"
>they add dirge of cerberus shit
>max stares blankly at the screen
>a few weeks pass
>SE cheque clears
>"DUUUUUUUDE DIRGE IS SOOOO HYPE DUDE THEY DID SUCH A GOOD JOB!"
Max is a joke
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Megat0n!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111
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>>579353476
>>579353642
Cheers anons, I appreciate your thorough inputs
I'll get started on Nioh 2 but FFO does sound interesting, so maybe I'll give it a shot down the line
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>>579354120
He doesn't even understand what FF7 is about, he's convinced that it's about cosmic horror and completely misses the fact that ultimately it's a game about identity and living with your past mistakes, themed around a funny alien super soldier man.
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>>579353265
So at some point in this two hour video someone says Nero sucks?
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>>579351796
>It's thanksgiving and you're on fucking /v/
So are you, you hypocritical garbage.
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reminder barry and jimbo spent last christmas sperging out on /v/ and having pointless arguments with boogeymen instead of spending time with their families.
Litterally shitposting and samefagging on christmas day.
I genuinely feel bad for both them.
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>>579353981
>not posting the best one
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>>579347624
I’m the one that made that list of things I like about the remake that mind broke you. I literally block all google products at my firewall so no brah I don’t fucking watch youtube in any capacity.
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>>579350959
There are time jannies in the new Eva movies?
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>>579354196
FFO is definitely worth a shot, "job system ARPG" has been my dream game for DECADES and I couldn't be happier that Tecmo-Koei is giving it a shot.
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>>579354375
It's true that someone (possibly you) was crying about jimbo on xmas day last year, which is really depressing. Is there any proof barry or jimbo were posting that day?
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>>579354549
oh my fucking god lmao
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>>579354361
No, you retard. I'd only be hypocritical if I had said, "It's thanksgiving, give me a break." THAT anon is the hypocritical one.
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>>579354375
Did you know Barry likes to spend time on /wowg/ to shit on FFXIV?
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>>579354549
Whoever this Jimbo guy is, he must have really done a number on this guy for him to spend his christmas screaming about him
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>>579354549
That's pretty funny. I have the Barry one
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>>579354549
/v/ has never had much of an ability to ignore shitposters but it pains me that people will not shut the fuck up about their favorite shitposter and will bring them up whenever possible regardless of relevancy.
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>>579354070
>FFXV's combat wasn't better than Nioh's though

to be fair, Nioh is like the apex of action RPGs, which is likely why SoP is basically a Nioh reskin. At least according to people I hang out with that played the demo.

while XV's "combat" is literally one button
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>>579354472
Took me a second to notice the knife
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>>579353120
That's a big brain response. I'm gonna steal it.
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>>579347101
>15%

That feels generous.. midgar is so short.. and they even cut the most kino parts.. then padded it out with bullshit fetch quests and laborious fights
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Anything that gives me more time with Aerith is good in my books
I am in love with that set of pixels like you wouldn't believe
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>>579354549
>>579354789
>crying about jimbo on christmas day
>crying about nathan on christmas day
Depressing.
Both these faggots are just so obsessed with defending their favourite videogame from a boogieman that they're literally pissing their lives away just to scream at ghosts on 4chan. What's the point? Neither of them are achieving anything. They must be really fucking miserable to spend christmas day like this.
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>>579353265
This guy acts like he agrees about the integrity of themes needing to remain in tact but just glosses over the fact that the games themes completely shifted to being about fate and destiny timeline fuckery.
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>>579355017
What parts did they cut out that you miss?
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>>579355323
I got upset at Barry a single time for shitposting over KH until I decided that I was being a faggot and stopped.
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>>579355323
Probably achieve about as much as someone who can’t go 12 hours without screaming at people to stop having fun with a game they like
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>>579347619
Nicely worded, I agree.
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>>579355436
The prison scene after they are captured where you get to talk to your party members..

And the back story around the dress maker who becomes an alcoholic that you rehabilitate by dress like a trap.

I'm fine with them adding shit but dont remove or retcon things
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You all need to fully watch at least these before posting in FF7R threads
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udt-2Yy9e0o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=356RRaGLU6E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIoIn71rVjc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_GndFKNdb8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pn2aL6iq8z8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvYAqmQL8KU
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>>579351796
Post more XIII webms. The combat animation were so satisfying
>that fucking slow motion Smite
Perfect.
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>>579348882
Is it bad that I'd unironically enjoy this
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>>579354872
One of FFXV's biggest problem with its combat system was its enemies. I have this same issue with Nier Automata as well. The enemies weren't built well with the combat system in mind. Games like Nioh and MHW spent a lot of time and resources making their enemies fun to fight against with the tools the game gives you to fight them. But for FFXV, it was just a lot of flashiness. Now, I did enjoy it, but it's hard to say FFXV's combat was very refined or deep. Had Nioh or MHW come out before FFXV, FFXV's combat system would felt like ass to me, I bet. I also want to throw in that I think BotW's combat is even worse. Fucking braindead.

I did love Comrades though. Wish they had done more with the concept, but having Team Ninja adapt their Nioh formula to FF may have been the better idea.
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>>579355513
What's that, Anon? You're thinking of stopping? Please don't, I do this all for you.
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>>579355871
Wasn't it? If FFXIII wasn't made in 18 months, maybe they could've done more with the combat system. Once you finally unlocked all the classes and had enemies that really challenged you like the giant turtles in Gran Pulse, it was actually fun. Sadly, that was one of the few fights that was actually fun in that game.
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>>579355809
I already endured 40 hours of Nojima diarrhea in the game, I don't want to listen to some nasal autist droning on for 10 more hours about how Aerith's bracelet proves Genesis is going to team up with Dark Squall in part 2.
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>>579355809
a funny thing to do with videos like this is pick one at random and click in about 45 minutes or so and be amazed at what utter bullshit is being spewed because you've skipped almost an hour of
>now if we take [thing] to mean [thing]... then maybe [thing] is actually [thing]... which PROVES that [insane headcanon]
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>>579344337
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvYAqmQL8KU
explains everything
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I love FF7 and the Remake but goddamn this is the most mentally I'll fanbase I've ever seen.
Never mind Asuka vs Rei fags, Tifa vs Aerith fags are another kind of civil war.
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>>579356709
ngmi
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Biggest issue about FF7R is that it brought in Nomura's mentally ill fans that praise anything he's involved with because of the shitty "muh Nomura-verse", they tried to pull that shit with TWEWY as well before they got gatekept super hard.
t.KH combat enthusiast
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>>579356875
I'd rather not make it if it means not having to watch this bull
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>>579345110
Sterling has never been wrong about video games. I have to stress that last part because this is 4chan where people will jump at any chance to complain about trannies
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no wonder 7R bombed.
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>>579348882
They brought him back for something but I doubt it is to replace Cloud. Zack is not a very popular characters. If anything he might die saving Aeris, which would be so lame. But at the end the story's already ruined anyway. We are in fanfiction territory, I only expect Kingdom Hearts levels of retardation from now on.
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>>579352721
>autist is clearly pressing TWO buttons with R1+O and still gets hit taking damage while having wait mode on and using one of the strongest base game regular weapons in the game Durandal with elemental advantage against one of the weakest grunt mob enemies in the entire game while having a full 5 member party

Meanwhile FF7R is one button action and has a mode that requires no buttons to win
https://youtu.be/0x1AGz8DwtY?t=554

>Kitase: This is one button action.

7R is such-and-such dogshit even harder can be beat with 1 button.
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>>579354070
I mean if you enjoy it more that's fine, but i personally feel like the games are so distinct that what feels good in one game doesn't translate well to the other. I don't look for the same things in nioh that i look for in remake, and I personally feel like remake succeeded in giving you a great belnd of turnbased and arpg, namely regarding your party interactions. I hope they double down in it considering the focus on synergy in the intermission dlc.
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>>579354872
xv requires as much buttons as ffo does if not more
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>>579354321
At one point, during this 2 hour video, the person in question critiques new "lore additions", depsite beung a theory fag. That was your point of contention.
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>>579354789
Nathan you literally spent multiple days seething over your boogeyman on those days.
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>>579357879
The fucking Webms every time.
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>>579358080
>>579351824
>>show me a person who discusses lore that dislikes nero
>I can send you a link and a timestamp.
Now who's backpedalling?
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>>579356424
I loved the post game of XIII. The harder bosses and Attakus were great and really made the combat system shine. It's really a fucking shame Square didn't capitalize on the combat side more in the beginning. It's mind-boggling locking 90% of the combat mechanics and the class mix and matching capabilities at the near end of the game.
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>>579357879
fuck off barry
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>>579350873
>LOL play better video games
webm unrelated?
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>>579354872
>Nioh is the apex of arpgs
I don't think a game where the loot mechanics have more influence than individual skill can hold that title. Say what you will about kingdom hearts, but i prefer when arpgs save their hardest content beyond level cap and maximum powergrind.
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>>579357802
>>>/vt/ranny
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>>579355949
I never bothered with Comrades because I see FFXV gameplay and I avoid it
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>>579358080
you've done quite an incredible job of proving yourself wrong
maybe don't make completely untrue claims in future
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>>579357879
Hey Barry.
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>>579358213
Nathan is so autistic he's posted this >>579352721 dumbfuck clip nearly every day for 3 years straight
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>>579349690
bro the remake tells you what they are. Stop being retarded. Not to mention Jenova is mindless. It just consumes to live like a plant. it does no think.
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>>579358535
I literally do not care, don't talk to me.
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>>579357802
Nice English ESL.
Zack is decently popular, what are you on about?
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>>579358241
That is a person who discusses the lore and dislikes nero, are you expecting him to turn to the camera and say "Nero the sable i fucking hate you"? Not to mention i sent you 2.
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>>579358138
Your Nathan boogeyman doesn't exist you schizo
Multiple people have told you to fuck off over vocaroo, including a girl
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>>579358285
Kill yourself Nathan.

>>579358495
So you're retarded.
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I literally have no idea who Barry or Daniel or Nathan are
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>>579349662
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>>579358498
>complete untrue claims
You didn't watch the video and you don't onow what you're talking about, that's ok.
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>>579358602
Then stop defending nathan even passively.
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>>579358280
>It's mind-boggling locking 90% of the combat mechanics and the class mix and matching capabilities at the near end of the game.
Oh, it's very easy to understand. They made the game in under 18 months for both Xbox 360 and PS3 and had to stretch what they had to fit an entire game. It's too bad, because I felt XIII had promise. And I know FFXV had promise, they just ran out of time and had to wrap things up real fast. Hopefully, FFXVI is a full and complete package. Though FF7R did come out pretty complete. I just felt it also had a similar issue to FFXIII, though not as noticeable, of stretching things out or padding as people like to say.
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>>579358640
Nathan you already got exposed when you linked a reply to your twitter post to /vg/ then tried greentexting a reply to that twitter post on /vg/ probably because you got fucking blocked
That and you've been copy pasting your shitposting from gamefaqs to here for years
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>>579358740
All I did was comment on the incredibly forced cherry picked WebMs you fucking sperg. Unironically kill yourself, I can't believe you're doing this shit on Thanksgiving.
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>>579358684
nathan is a 7R/KH/Nomura shill from gamefaqs that shitposts here too and has for over a decade, and since nomura was fired from ff15 in 2013 he's mostly been seeth shitposting against that while shilling anything nomura is involved with
Nathan has a bunch of alt account he posts with on gamefaqs, such as his NeithOf, Zombie_Neith and SBK91 accounts that he mainly shitposts from, even copy pasting his shitposts from threre and posts them here.
barry is a boogeyman invented by nathan for anyone calling him out on his shit
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>>579344842
Tifa was definitely my favourite to play as.
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>>579358684
>Barry
>revisionist ff15 schizofag that tries to shit up any thread related to any other ff. He hates 7r, 14 and 16 in particular.
>nathan
Some retard who is obsessed with 7r who may or may not post on /v/, he's real but at this point mostly serves as Barry's projection and cope for when he's found out
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>>579358495
Comrades basically had one really good piece of content which is the Bahamut fight, though the crafting system was rather fun.
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>>579358723
oh so if I watch the video in full he'll talk about how he dislikes nero being in the remake?
oh look >>579358635 even you admit he doesn't.
why did you waste your time on this? all you've done is prove yourself wrong
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>>579358684
>I literally have no idea who Barry or Daniel or Nathan are

Barry = the guy who defends the shit out of FFXV and shits on FF7R/KH
Daniel & Nathan = a boogeyman that Barry claims that ALL FFXV are.

>>579358653
when you spend 80 HOURS of FFXV holding O, you get discouraged to play anything else that has the FFXV name in it.

Especially now since the true ending novel of FFXV exists
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>>579351390
Turns out you were right.

People who are into theorycrafting lose all sense of objectivity because everything that happens isn't judged by its narrative or thematic merit. It's discussed in a "what does this mean for my headcanon" way.
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>>579358881
Kill yourself you faggot, the only forced bullshit here is this faggot >>579352721
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>>579359023
>all you've done was prove yourself wrong
He has already stated that he hates dirge abd it's implications, and he insists on it in the video. If you wanna be an intellectually dishonest fag who doesn't admit he was proven wrong since your only arguments were "all theoryfags like remake cuz lore" and "all tgeory fags like nero cuz lore" and this isn't the truth in either case, idk what to tell you besides go watch theory fags, but you will understandably not do that, so I think we're done.
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>>579359231
I LITERALLY DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR DRAMA SHUT THE FUCK UP, I WAS ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT THE TOPIC.
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Barry is my favorite schizo for years
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>>579359023
>even you admit he doesn't
Anon are you illiterate?
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>>579359351
can't believe he's still at it
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>>579358875
I gotta say Barry, your boogeyman has some impressive range.
https://voca.ro/1f51sPleu352
https://voca.ro/17tKrDNKHFxk
https://voca.ro/11yOmaDfxoMj
https://voca.ro/1kHIij5culYX
https://voca.ro/1nTMPBecx8V3
and don't forget the classic https://voca.ro/1kuCqMS8W98Q
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>>579359231
I didn't realize showing actual FFXV gameplay on it's highest "difficulty" aka Normal, is forced bullshit
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>>579358684
This faggot here
>>579358994
>>579359191
Is Nathan samefagging because he's butthurt 7R is press nothing to win and that 7R hardmode requires less buttons than XV and has a canon novel with crucial story for tifa and aerith in it.
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>>579359427
i think barry is nightskyprince
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>>579359279
Then stop responding to me you faggot
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>>579359465
Kys you Australian monkey.
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>>579359408
>>>/vt/ranny
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>>579359558
NSP definitely deserves some shit for being a vocal 7r hater. Someone needs to teach that faggot about subjectivity.
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>>579359351
>>579359418
>>579359427
>Nomura mobile game Monotone gets cancelled for underperforming and western release cancelled.
>Nomura came up with FF All The Bravest, the most detested FF branded thing ever.
>Nomura fired from FFXV and Versus 13 cancelled because Nomura wasted 6 years getting fuck all done.
>Nomura mobile game Rampage Land Rankers gets cancelled for underperforming and western release cancelled.
>Nomura mobile game FF7 Gbike gets cancelled for underperforming and western release cancelled.
>Nomura mobile game KHUX Dark Road gets cancelled for underperforming and final update shit constantly delayed.
>Nomura mobile game Idol Fantasy gets cancelled and western release cancelled for underperforming.
>KH0.5 a FULL SCALE AQUA GAME gets cancelled and a dogshit downgrade prologue that was supposed to be the intro of KH3 gets cut out and sold separately as KH0.2 only in KH2.8 collection.
>The real FF7R by CC2 gets cancelled under Nomura.
>FF7R on PS4 gets support cancelled and updates cancelled because it underperformed.
>FF7R canon Tifa chapter was cancelled.
>FF7R Tifa backstory with new crucial backstory info was shoved in a canon novel removed from the game.
>FF7 First Soldier is already crashing and burning.
>KH3 cut content sold as DLC for $30 in a mostly rehashed piece of shit.
>KH3 actual ending literally put into a fucking rhythm game not even in KH3 itself.
>FF7R sells less than every FF and SE is so embarrassed by its sales they won't even update its sales from the 5m shipped it had which latest figure had it still at 5m shipped 8 months after release.
>Nomura removed as director on FF7R Part 2.
KH3 sales drop off a cliff after 3 months and are still sub 5m in 2021 according to SE, which it's been at since 2019, less total than KH2 or KH1
>NEO twewy bombs despite getting an anime, figure merch, plushie merch, advertised constantly by SE on all their channels and by Nintendo and PS too, literally sold worse than OG Twewy which had 0 marketing
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>>579344337
Why time ghosts of all things though? Couldn't they look for another plot device to use to change the story other than this stupid retarded shit? Who the fuck asked for FF7 to be turned into Back to the Future?
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>>579359435
>autist is clearly pressing TWO buttons with R1+O and still gets hit taking damage while having wait mode on and using one of the strongest base game regular weapons in the game Durandal with elemental advantage against one of the weakest grunt mob enemies in the entire game while having a full 5 member party

Meanwhile FF7R is one button action and has a mode that requires no buttons to win
https://youtu.be/0x1AGz8DwtY?t=554

>Kitase: This is one button action.

Here is 7R hardmode winning with 1 button
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>>579359876
If you know one thing about modern AAA game development you would know that not one single thing about the remake we got could have been different in any way. It literally could never have been anything other than what we got.

But surprise surprise /v/ knows nothing about the industry or how things work.
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>>579359876
They're just corrupted and materialized will of the planet
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>>579359706
Kys you greek german poo mutt.
Go board up your windows before some turks break in and murder your family.
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>>579344390
hahahahaha
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>>579358653
there are more button inputs in this sephiroth final phase webm than there is for the final phase for FFXV, jesus...
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>>579358494
>>579359408
let people enjoy things
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>>579357987
FF7R is maybe the best fusion of ATB and Action-based combat. If you play it as an ATB game, then I think it does alright. But as an action game, I think it's really bad. It feels clunky and slow, while the enemies aren't tuned for the action approach. I saw a youtube clip in another thread a while back that was meant to show was cool or fun FF7R's combat could be. It was Cloud vs. Rufus and it consisted of mostly sleeping Rufus and then wailing on him. Nioh has those elements to. You can mage up and just spam magic. The issue is that FF7R's combat highly encourages you to exploit the status/elemental weaknesses of your enemies. Otherwise it's like hitting bullet sponges. It's just not all that much fun.

My feedback for FF7R Part II for the combat has mostly to do with improving the enemies and the level designs. I understand the difficulty in FF games can't be very high, but the way they make it 'easy' is by just allowing people to just use a few things from your party member's tool set to get by. You basically don't have to go too in depth with the combat system, which makes the combat system not very deep, since why waste development resources on that type of thing if few people will use it.

On the other hand, Nioh like the Souls games use another method to help regular players through their games. Online co-op. By including the ability to summon someone into your game and basically carry you through it, the person progresses. That imo is a preferable way to assist casual players.

Imagine for a second if FF7R was co-op capable. You and a friend could fight the red scorpion mech together as Cloud and Barret instead of individually. Now tell me that wouldn't be fucking great?
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>>579345981
Because it was a remake of the storyline, they just didn't clarify.
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>>579359558
What race is this?
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>>579357098
don't you remember the months long threads where people would complain about that asian guy who talked about ea being greedy kikes but because he was a minor e-celeb saying it people sucked corporate cock harder than ever before
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>>579349017
That's called a rebuild
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>>579360460
>hates FF7R
>shitskin crackhead
god damn, first barry, now this. what's wrong with these "people"?
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>>579359558
Holy shit
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I'd honestly like 15 more if Gladio was just replaced by his sister the entire game.
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nathan on suicide watch
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no wonder 7R bombed
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>>579353861
>>579350917
>>579351620
>>579351390
>>579351591
>>579353265
>>579352934
>>579355809
>>579356781
Based theorychads.
Chadley isn't a good addition to the plot BUT we get huge exciting edditions to the lore because his buttons have the gold saucer on them. This means we get to write and read books about the lore.
Once you take the theorypill it means it doesn't matter if Chadley is a good or bad edition to the story, you can just get hyped for his buttons having gold saucer on them.
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>>579360087
>literally does limit break, a single command as soon as the final phase begins
>vs a bunch of multiple button inputs after the fight is already won
lmao it takes more buttons to pop a fucking potion than it does to use a fucking limit break in 7R
also the 13 armiger attack incurs is literally the same as omnislash in og ff7 as a cinematic moment after you've already beaten the fight and are left with one thing you can only do.
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oh no no no no no no >>579361949
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>>579362128
these fucking people
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>>579362489
not in a single fiscal year no
mmo makes less than hd games sector and mobile sector individually every year
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>>579344842
I swear Tifa belongs in Devil May Cry.
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>>579362774
:)
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>>579344337
Could someone elaborate on why killing the time janny god also changes the past and not just the present?
Wouldn't have been more logical that after killing the time janny god that the time jannies wouldn't be able to interfiere with your future choices anymore? Why killing the time janny god changes the past and all the dead characters just come back to life for no reason even though the events that lead to their death still happened? This whole thing just reeks of bad writing for the sake of milking the cow at all cost.
Not to mention the game also teases to the existence of a parallel world/universe... So is not just the time travel theme going on with Sephiroth, Aeris and the time jannies but there's also an alternate universe too, I mean, you do cross a portal to another reality that is pretty much the same as the one before.
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>>579362678
14troons on suicide watch
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>>579362898
not in a single fiscal year no
mmo sector makes less than hd games sector and mobile sector individually every year
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>>579344337
Next you'll be complaining about how Rebuild of Evangelion was just fanfiction with a budget and how it can't possibly be endorsed or produced by Hideaki Anno at all.
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>>579363436
:)
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>Be XV-kun, get banned on neogaf
>make a new account named Andromeda, get banned again
>wanna lay low on gfaqs but my autism is 2 stronk
>make a new alt named TalesRevenant, get exposed and ridiculed on 4chan
>keep making alts and spread bullshit lies
>nobody believes me, my life is empty
>All ever wanted was some friends and to rape Kagari

Being XV-kun is suffering.
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>>579358450
The loot mechanics are tacked on shit. It does drag the game down but you can easily ignore it, especially in Nioh 2 were weapon affixes are weaker than ever.
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>>579363028
part 2 will explain it
and if it doesn't, part 3 will
just keep buying before making any negative judgements
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>>579359558
Barry would behead himself before he made this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3NAF-Opieg
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>>579364647
Don't promote 7R haters here, we already have too many
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>>579364647
Night Sky Prince really fell off
used to watch his XV videos and ind them entertaining but sadly he now became an FF14 shill and thought he was "cool" for hating FF7R.

only FF youtuber worth watching now is FFpeasant, at least he's got personality and is funny
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>>579365517
NCP is literally the only FF7R hater I'm okay with, because my friendship with him is good for my career. If it wasn't for that I would hate him too.
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>>579365647
Hi Clark
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>>579365517
I completely agree with him, 7R is a WTF were they thinking disaster and FFXV is fucking mess and FFXIV is far and away the best final fantasy. XIV is the only thing good with the FF name on it in 20 years. The old guard at square like nojima, nomura and kitase need to fucking go. The only things "Square" has in the works that isn't hot garbage isn't even really being made by Square. I hardly consider Yoko Taro to really be Square, FFO is being wholly out sourced to KT and CBU3 is a separate division as well.
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What they should have done for maximum money, asset reuse, and longevity is remake FFVII, split into 3 games with the same original story but fleshed out on each disc (since the characterization in the remake was actually decent, Jessie Biggs), and they could have made $60 on each chapter and then at the very very end, when the original game would have taken place, throw the stupid time jannies shit in and surprise everyone with another 1 or 2 discs of alternate timeline story. All the OG fans get what they want with the first 3, Nomura gets to shit out a crappy story of his own, Square gets to reuse assets and areas and make tons of money while pleasing everyone. Unfortunately Sony and Square are. Lucky enough to ride a few hit ideas and the MMO to survive making shit games 70% of the time.
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>>579366459
see >>579359994
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>>579345981
Where's the false advertising?
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>>579344390
Do they work for free however?
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>>579362678
>most of that thread was just barry talking to himself
nice one
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>>579344337
Because they sold more copies that way. Nostalgia is easy money with you retards around.
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It's called "Remake" because Sephiroth is trying to Remake history in his favor
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>>579368725
Okay?
So am I supposed to think it wasn't shit now?
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>>579365517
I liked Soldier1stClass until he became a FFVIIR hater. I feel like he completely alienated the audience helping his channel grow for no reason by bashing the game.
>>579366459
That would've been a cool idea. I've always thought that the time jannies might've gone over better with the OG purists if it had been introduced only in the newgame+ mode. Like part 1 is still just midgar and plays out exactly like the original game, but when you replay it on ng+ or whatever all the timeline changes/extra flashbacks occur and the game is much harder.
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>>579369117
>I liked Soldier1stClass until he became a FFVIIR hater.
Same. He completely betrayed the real fans.
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>>579349690
>they're Jenova trying to stop Sephiroth's will from breaking free and being reborn
don't think I've seen this flavor of cope before. guess you're free to hold onto it forever because they're never actually going to finish the series.
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>594 days of rage shitting because people like a video game
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>>579344337
did that mobile battle Royale game come out yet? is it as terrible as everyone expected?
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>Final Fantasy 7 had strong parodies that deconstructed the stablished trends in the JRPG genre.
>Final Fantasy 7 becomes the standard and the trendsetter of JRPGs onwards
>in spirit of the original, Final Fantasy 7 remake deconstructs itself
>literally
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>>579369862
Is this a new record? Did /v/ seethe for this long about MGSV? Seems like people stopped giving a fuck pretty fast and moved on compared to this.
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>>579369862
people still talk about hating FFXIII and FFXV
some people never move on
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>>579369970
Shit game that barely works, but we've gotten some good lore from it
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>>579365647
>>579365517
These threads are so stupid

7R blows btw
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>>579344337
>the chance to make a whole game in midgar, one of the most interesting locations in vidya
>they keep the compilation shit
>fujotrannys are unironically hyped for this shit
Nomura, Nojima, Toriyama and the pussy of kitase including all of SE deserve the rope
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>>579369862
That's what I used to think until I found out it was the 7R fans who are seething about people daring to dislike it
>>>/vrpg/2232253
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>>579370657
Seriously. They could have done so much with Midgar and that’s all they came up with. Some filler and a few scenes of character interaction.
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>>579369862
I really hope FFVIIR gets ported to some other console so there's actual discussion instead of the same "criticisms" being posted over and over again by people who have never even played it. It's obvious shitposting from Nintendo fans because anyone who actually played the game wouldn't criticize it.
It's literally impossible to discuss this game here without:
>waaah they censored Tifa!!
>muh time jannies waaahh I have criticisms of the story
>reeee the sidequests are shit
>flop flop flop it sold badly free on PS+ lol part 2 will sell like shit
No matter what SE did people would complain so why can't you fags just shut up and accept what we got?
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>>579345485
>>579346760
>>579370657
>>579352389
>>579353707
No offense, but FF7 fans really should stop bitching and realize how lucky they are. I get it, you might not like the time stuff, but I feel like everybody takes for granted that the remake, for the portion of the original it covered (Midgar), didn't leave a single thing out, even the goofy shit, and expanded on pretty much all of it.
Y'all got to fight a fucking haunted house and crossdress your way into that mansion and see more of the upper plates and the whole thing was done with a striking amount of care.

Meanwhile, look at what the rest of us have to deal with in our favorite games' remakes. RE2R literally took out almost half the enemy types and multiple bosses. Even the ones they left in, they felt the bizarre need to change and fuck up. The Ivys are functionally just zombie reskins, they aren't another crazy bioweapon Umbrella was developing, they can't spit at you, they can't be turned poisonous between the two playthroughs, they're shit.

It removed the entire Zapping system that tied your A/B scenarios together (not that it would have made a difference since they neutered both B scenarios beyond belief). They jammed Mr. X everywhere, making him way, WAY more like Nemesis and fucking up the tone and identity of both games in the process.

It changed the entire visual design of the underground lab. It removed multiple smaller areas. It cranked Irons' craziness up to 11 and made it entirely unbelievable that he could ever manage to cripple the effectiveness of the police force. Oh wait! They gave up on even explaining any of that subplot in the first place.
And don't even get me started on RE3R, those motherfuckers.
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>>579371010
>>579371248
>JUST BE THANKFUL YOU GET ANYTHING!
yes sir, it was wrong of me to want a good new Diablo game I'll just buy the microtransactions. you're really spoiling us, sir, this is so much better than nothing at all.
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>>579344337
Because if they did sales would be lower.
Everyone worth their salt would know it was going to be some more "Deep Ground" level of Advent Children piss dribble.
Every subsequent game intended to expand upon FF7 has been a disappointment.
From sequels that ruin the questionable ending of FF7 to prequels that ruin characters.
Left with nowhere else to go they decided to literally attempt to ruin FF7 itself by making an inflated retarded alternate timeline piecemeal game aimed at movie loving casuals who were not even alive when FF7 came out.
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>>579371627
I can't believe the amount of people who were supremely filtered by the Remake. It's baffling.

Every complaint that I've seen, aside from the complaint about the blurry textures in certain areas, is completely unfounded. You would have to be an actually lukewarm IQ to not understand the commentary that Square, Kitase and Nomura are making about the game, to not love the combat, to not adore Nojima's characterisation of the characters he wrote 20+ years ago, to not realise that it's a sequel to the Nomurakino smash film Advent Children Complete.
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>>579371010
>because anyone who actually played the game wouldn't criticize it.
Nooooo u cant criticize muh perfect gaem
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>>579351031
it's going to be beautiful
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>>579370858
Not making midgar freely explorable at some point in part 1 was a missed opportunity. It would be tricky storywise since you never really get any midgar downtime in the OG, but as they were adding a bunch of new shit anyway why not make it to where the avalanche attack on shinra at the end was planned as a distraction so you can sneak in to save aerith, and the openworld part is cloud, barret, and tifa recruiting other avalanche cells in midgar for it
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>>579367008
The thread was pointless hypothesizing anyway. No harm in just spitballing what could have been better. I think everyone besides maybe 1% of FF fans know we will never actually get a good game or even a great game. Higher ups will always want to play it safe or copy/paste ideas from other successful media because it made money once. Enough known brands exist to ride on even with bad ideas. If indie devs weren't mostly narcissists and obsessed with trendy social issues we might have a better ratio of inventive games rather than expensive rehashes. Although there have been some pretty good amateur dev/indie games the last 6 or so years. The shit still outweighs it though.
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FF7R wasn't made for plebs that played FF7 20 years ago. It's for fans that followed all the works of related to FF7. It's a big FUCK YOU to all the """fans""" that today seethe about the Remake being actually a chronological continuation of all the build up lore.
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>>579344337
This kills the demake fujos
https://youtu.be/LbdJCMbCzkw
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>>579372052
there were plenty of opportunities to let you explore midgar. they already rewrote it so the party takes fucking forever to get anywhere, so they may as well have given us something fun to do or new to explore in the meantime.
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>FF fags finally get something resembling actual gameplay
>they're insane with anger about it
>muh storyshit
Have you faggots ever heard of books? Movies? Anything but video games?
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>>579372139
>>579362128
Based
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>>579372139
>a continuation
with time jannies in it. So freaking cool @_@
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>>579372505
>video game stories are shit!
>but if anyone calls the remake story shit, I'll say they're "insane with anger"
You tried. Not very hard, but you tried.
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>>579372289
He went too easy on it, but it's still one of the better videos on Remake out there
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>>579372621
Keep using memes to describe what you can't understand kid. It only makes you sound dumber than you already are.
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>>579362128
So do these people not understand that sephiroth is equivalent to yggdrasil and the analogy is how everything happening in midgar revolves around his existence as Jenova's consciousness the parallel between her, a planet eater, and Shinra, which is literally consuming the planet
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>>579372561
both posts arent related.
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>>579372697
I don't know shit about fuck in any FF story. I never watch cut scenes or read dialogue and if I can't skip it I don't play the game. I tried out 7R on ps+ and it let me skip storyshit and it has actual gameplay. Its instantly the best FF so far because of that alone.
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>>579373145
Except it's known for a long time that Sephiroth in FF7 isn't the Sepiroth from Cloud's memories. And the FF7R Sephiroth is the one that Cloud and Zack know. Making him be any parallel to Jenova retarded as he was never a willing entity for most of the FF7 canon.
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>>579344337
because 7 already got like 4 sequels and all of them sucked
everyone wanted a remake so they sold it as that to sucker people into buying it
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>went out to do stuff
>"oh this thread is alive, let see where the discussion went"
>it is just jimbo replying to himself, unloading pastas and malding as always
jesus christ dude get a fucking life
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>>579373584
Crisis Core is great pleb.
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>>579373626
Tell me about jimbo, who is he and what does he do and why
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>>579371010
>instead of the same "criticisms"
What else is there to discuss? Do you realize this remake's only like 5% of the original game, right? Midgar in the original was just a prologue. The game doesn't actually start till you get the fuck out of there. The remake might take like 30 hours to finish but at least 20 of those hours is nothing but filler and the shittiest side quests ever seen in an Rpg. There's only like 4 bosses, time jannies ruining every memorable scene and then the Kingdom Hearts plot twist at the end. That is it.
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>>579374380
>Anon is posting his 7R theories on /v/
>someone points out that the same logic could be used to prove Tidus could be in remake
>Anon has a complete meltdown
>"Jimbo" makes fun of him
>Anon loses his mind and spends the next two years mad about it
>"Jimbo" mocks him every day, and always gets a laugh because Anon simply CANNOT resist giving him a (you) every time without fail
>along the way Jimbo compiles all the most idiot posts by Anon and repeats them
>Anon punches holes in the wall with rage because this is making 7R fans look bad, even though it's just repeating what he said in the first place
>Anon dedicates an inordinate amount of time to "exposing" Jimbo, has posted about him 100 times every day for almost 2 years and still nobody cares
there's more if you really want to know but that's the basics
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>>579375029
you should reserve judgement until the remake is finished
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>>579344337
Why would you want a sequel to a pile of shit?
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>>579351620
Does Nero showing up even make sense lorewise?
If i'm understanding this ghost janny thing right, their purpose is being a invisible force steering people to not go off the beaten path, which one can see when trying to enter seventh heaven as yuffie.
But because the ghosts didn't interfere with anything regarding the wutai infiltration mission, doesn't this mean that yuffie meeting nero is a incident that would have also happened in the main timeline as well?
Why doesn't yuffie have a bigger grudge against nero in dirge for killing sonon?
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>>579346184
>Stop caring about the story being "good" or "bad"
I wish a domestic terrorist would break into my house and fucking kill me if it meant not having to put up with your bullshit anymore, Jesus Christ.
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>>579376553
>over 250 results in the archive
>has been going since before remake was even out
never stop, friend.
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>>579376961
I will never stop telling these fanboys that FF7 is objectively a bad game if you can even call it a game.
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>>579377731
Based. What do you think about the remake?
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>>579377901
Never played it never will kill all white people become trans or die
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>>579378079
Noted
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>>579375646
Tell me more. Is he different than Barry, or one of his boogeymen?
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>>579379882
BARRY is an unhinged XV fanboy who calls everyone he doesn't like NATHAN
BA7RY is an unhinged 7R fanboy who calls everyone he doesn't like JIMBO
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>>579344842
>"the meta-narrative is so thoughtful and cool"
okay but the literal things happening in the story are fucking stupid
just because they mean something deeper doesn't make them good
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>>579380329
if you're going to completely lose your mind while white knighting for a videogame you could at least pick a better game.
when are these chimps going to move on?
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>>579380345
>just because they mean something deeper
it's also doubtful they mean anything deep at all. this is the writer and director who brought us advent children and kingdom hearts. it's not deep.

but I agree. even if it did turned out that the jannies are some meta representation of something, they're still shit.
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>>579374380
I'm sure everyone in these threads has been accused of being jimbo at some point at this stage.
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>>579357098
Nobody gives a fuck that Sterling went tranny. It's the fact that he stop doing daily uploads, his weekly videos severely dropped in content, AND the fact he's keeps using the defense that "buuuuuh you hate me because I went tranny" as an excuse along with attacking others for their religious choices.
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>>579344842
Tifa's the only character in this game that felt complete.

Great attack animations, play-style flexibility, can choose between doing major damage to your enemies, stun-locking them, or stagger and pressure them. Meanwhile Cloud is strictly unga rush, Barret is too faithful to the original and can only do one thing, and Aerith is boring while ironically using Materia is more interesting than her weapon magic.
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>>579369562
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i9tS5ylz90
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>>579371787
>muh combat
Boy I love using Assess and doing exactly what the game tells me to, or I do chip damage.
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>>579344337
all i wanted was the old game with up to date graphics, was that really too much to ask for?
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This is what the Switch version should've been but with fully modeled areas instead of prerendered.
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>>579344842
Best girl.



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