Agreed. Compfags made them patch the fun out of the game.
>>574448358fuck this item
>For years, comp fags scream about how you should always use the default weapons because they're the best>Valve proceeds to nerf every single unlockable so they're not even worth using as sidegrades and are all almost uselessFun game. At this point I pray every day the backpack servers will die so all the hats will go away since everyone's just using stock weapons anyway.
Fuck YOU. It's STILL annoying. Do up a bag and drop dead motherfucker.
>>574448358I still use it for MvM when I decide to play spy (replacing demo in usual meta)
I like to use the Natascha because it's causes direct damage to people's souls to be slowed.
>>574454459This, it's also fun in team combat as it lines them right up for rockets
>>574448358do you see a sign on this thread that says dead ringer storage?
>>574454459The natascha completely shits on scunts, I almost feel bad using it sometimes because they're just utterly fucked with no escape.
>>574448358>Soldier can shoot at his feet and get kills but spies are not allowed to bamboozle peopl.
>>574454459cant you just track better and murder scouts instead?
Can't copeI've forgotten what it was like
>>574454459natascha is the sleeper best heavy weapon because it makes scouts, spies, and pyro's cryif only he had a secondary that made snipers not bully him out of the game to go with it
>>574456419Yes. Spy players get the rope
IT"S NOT FUCKING FAIR
>>574456686>shoves you 5 inches forwards
*is kino in your path*
>>574456568tracking is hard.
*gets on knees*WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
>>574454459it's cool, heavy is very boring
>>574457315I'm still fucking seething, it was so much fun I'd get the rocket jumper and fuck around shooting this thing at them as they try to runaway and fry themselves.
>>574450670It wasnt comp it was definitely the opposite, low skilled players who could counter spy with simple communication, even if spy had all his nerfs removed he still wouldnt be viable in competitive
>>574456675Why tho?3rd hardest class to play and nothing wrong with it
>>574448358Dr. Enforcicle was so much fun, probably the most fun I had in this gameAlas...
>>574458354Because walking forward and pressing M1 should not be rewarded, much less a OHKO. Play a class that actually takes skill, like Sniper, or Demoman.
meet your match has been the single most worst update
>>574458601>complains about spy backstab>the only thing that makes the spy good
>>574453790unlockables were always a mistake and should simply be removed.
>>574448358Glad this shit got nerfed.Revert sandman, but leave the autistic spies in the grave
>>574458787Which is exactly why Spy should be removed from the game. Sniper does his job better.
Today I will remind themhttps://youtu.be/fwOzxCdZiOc?t=504Cowmangler, the worst fucking soldier rocket launcher.>comp fags>it's too spammy in comp, valve needs to lower the fire rate
>>574458956This. Remove Spy, remove Heavy, remove Pyro, remove Engineer. Competitive 6v6 is the only true format worthy of being played.
>>574456581something like 450 crits with charges. Could kill a heavy and his medic GF with ease.
>>574458702TOP 3 WORST UPDATES IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER>Meet your Match>Mannconomy/Polycount>Gun Mettle (mostly for adding weapon skins and tiers)TOP 3 BEST UPDATES IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER>Sniper vs Spy>WAR!>Love & War
>revert plugin fixes everything valve nerfs>absolutely nothing feels OP anymore just funWas valve just retarded, like did the nerfs happen solely because of valve ruining everything?
>>574448358DR was for room temp IQ tards who needed a crutch and encouraged a bad playstyle
>>574459225>love and waranything post engineer update is sub-par.Also for worst updates I'd have to replace meet your match with invasion, and gun mettle with the tough break update because it broke the most weapons.
>>574457315Got reverted ages ago, get with the times grandpa
>>574459320Nerfs happened because Valve wanted to chase those fat eSport profits, so they listened to compfags on how to balance their game for 6v6 and Highlander tournaments.
>>574459394DR was pretty good when you're playing on a choke fest map and you had no other way to get behind the enemy team. Besides that though there wasn't much use for it.
>>574459435>replace meet your match with invasionnomeet your match literally fucked TF2 so bad it's still feeling the aftereffects today
>>574459435I forgot Invasion was even a thing but that's a community update so it sort of exists in its own bubble, and I feel like Gun Mettle deserves more blame over Tough Break since it introduced a lot of what TB brought in
>>574459468Valve didn't actually fix it. It does a fair deal less damage.
>>574448358This thing was always a crutch for bad spies. Stop crying that you cant instantly reload your get out of jail free card.
>>574459571The quickplay update where they removed the server browser is what you're looking for. I'm adding invasion, because it prevented valve from working with the community to fix their game for them.
>>574456686Remove the useless shove and replace the M2 with the ability to toss out small medkits, now you got yourself a mid range/support hybrid weapon
>>574459635It's funny because the primary issue with that was DR spies using Engineer building gibs to do that. Large ammo kits still didn't give 100% cloak, just 60%. They could have just made it not be able to pick up building gibs for cloak and dinged cloak gain from ammo by another 15%, but nope, Gaben only has a sledgehammer, not a scalpel.
>>574459635A lot of the weapons people bitch about being nerfed were blatant crutches; I guarantee your ass if they ever fix the Iron Shitter's projectile being x8 the size of normal pipes there's going to be /v/edditors complaining about how Valve "patched the fun out of the game."
>>574448358I'm to tried to copy and fast the whole artifact spill, it's late tonight and I've been protesting at VALVE headquarters for a update all night so can you guys just pretend I was talking about the dedicated artifact fanbase please
>>574460064Even with it's supposed upsides I still hate using the thing. No bounce means you can't lob grenades around tight corners and the lowered fuse time means the grenades have less travel time too. It's just a shit weapon all round.Grenade Launcer for your general exploding needsLoch n Load if you hate sentries and love precision aiming Loose Cannon if you like fun and Donkey Kong.
>>574459135What are you talking about the cow mangler is practically a straight upgrade in comp. The crit downgrade doesn't matter if your medic isn't running kritzkrieg and the building damage doesn't matter because the charge shot shoots flying frenchmen that straight up disables buildings letting your team mop up the sentry nest with little to no resistance. The cow mangler is a brilliant weapon, more than viable.
>>574460550>What are you talking about the cow mangler is practically a straight upgrade in comp.This is where the entire argument falls apart.The game should not be balanced around 1% of the communities retarded un-intended playstyle.
>>574460064Honestly, people that use the iron bomber JUST because of its bugged hitbox are fucking idiots. The hitbox size difference is pretty much insignificant.>>574460674it's practically a straight upgrade in casual too.>+Has dope ass charge shot that gives minicrits on demand, deals afterburn, and lets you fuck the engineer's wife.>-No random critical hits.
>>574461006>it's practically a straight upgrade in casual too.>+Has dope ass charge shot that gives minicrits on demand, deals afterburn, and lets you fuck the engineer's wife.>-No random critical hits.absolutely retarded
>>574461487It really is. Not having to worry about ammo means more time on the attack. The second charge shot can fuck with people and outright kill them sometimes. And its lowered building damaged is 1. Not as bad when the secondary fire can also disable buildings which might as well be destroying it, and 2. If youre the only class capable of destroying a sentry in casual its probably a lost cause anyways.
>>574461487Please tell me its downside, what keeps it in line with the other weapons, or makes it even worse than the other weapons?
>>574461713Can't deal with sentries, can't be krit boosted, the upside of wasting all 4 of your shots for less than 30 bonus damage is mediocre. You're better off spamming scorch shots.
>>574461876Oh and standing still will just get you killed, honestly it's almost a trap option.
>>574457315why the FUCK was this nerfed?I can't imagine even compfags complaining about this one
>>574461695Oh yeah I forgot about the infinite ammo, makes the cow mangler even more reliable since you never have to worry about running out of ammo.>>574461876>Can't deal with sentriesPress mouse2 for spy-in-a-rocket.Sentries disabled for 4 whole seconds.If you really can't rely on your team to take advantage of this, you can just take a shotgun.>Can't be krit boostedEither ask your friendly med to switch to uber, or he can krit boost someone else.>Wasting all 4 of your shots for less than 30 bonus damage is mediocreThing is, the charge shot vaporises medics almost instantly, disables sentry nests, and generally has excellent burst damage. You don't have to use the charge shot though. You can forget it exists and you have a rocket launcher with infinite ammo.>Better off spamming scorch shotI mean, sure if you want to sell your fucking soul. Seriously fuck those pyros that spam scorch shot.
we have to go backhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL5kacDoPGo
>>574454459but how do you stop a sniper
>>574450670>BASE jumper nerf>Amby nerf>GRU nerf>Even the fucking bison was further neutered because some dumbass compfag ran his mouthI HATE COMP I HATE COMP I HATE COMP
>>574457315>Valve: we """""""fixed""""""" the bison!
>>574463169I can understand why they nerfed the base jumper, it was fun having air mobility to put the soda popper to shame but the airstrafing ability of the base jumper was TOO much.
>>574464685in a regular pub game, it really wasn't
>>574464685And exactly how many soldier players were even able to abuse the BASE Jumper to its fullest potential?
>>574465103Anyone that realized that mashing space bar made you invincible to projectiles so everyone with a brain
>disguise as teammate>run out>take one or two stray bullets>right-click>fake death>run by and disguise as enemyflawless disguise, every time
>>574464809I mean sure, jose.gonzales.2006 wasn't going to re-enact the matrix on you, and you weren't any more protected from hitscan than you are now, but with the pre-nerf base jumper and a good amount of skill, multiple direct hit-wielding aimbots would be HOPELESS against you. I'm glad Valve sorta split the base jumper's stats up, giving the mantreads that same kind of air control without letting you just spend the entire game in the skies.>>574465103Probably a fair amount. Considering you have the air control to see rockets coming and just move out of the way just like you were on the ground it probably wouldn't be that hard to turn into the super scout once you realised how much potential the base jumper had.
>>574465310Always thought disguising as allies should give you a long lasting cloak and silent decloak with the DR. Would help you setup and balance it out to the invis watch.
>>574454459>Get in 2Fort>It's another enemy team has a bunch of Eyelander Demoknights with 20 heads running around the map in groups killing everyone>Switch to Natascha HeavyProblem solved
>>574465545I love to remind demokniggers their subclass is a fucking joke
>>574457315It is actually good on the bantfortress server.
>>574465630I love how pipes are easy to land on stationary targets
>>574461695Have fun dealing with minisentries>t.Cow Mangler enjoyer
>>574465901Good for you
>>574465545For me it's switching from the booties and shield to grenade and sticky launcher when I get 4 headsJust try and stop me pork pie
>>574466039Seethe fat boi
>>574454459>pyro with tranny cosmetics>insantly switch to heavy with 'tasha>he cant go anywhere and gets kited all day by the local homosexu... I mean the local soldier mainHeh
>>574465310and then it makes the loud ass *CHCKCKRRRKRRRZZZZZEWWWEEWEWWWnoise and every single motherfucker on the other team turns around and shoots you
dead ringer is such a piece of shit idea, it just means I can't have a moment's peace after killing a spy because chances are high they're using that shit
>try to do contracts with friends in the US>lagbots fucking the server>join another server>YOU SPIN ME RIGHT ROUND BABY, RIGHT ROUNDi just want to play the game...
>>574466074I prefer shield and pipes. Sure no stickies but you become DOUBLY unkillable.>>574466124The Natascha was given to man by god to smite the satanic and likely also furry wielders of the Phlogistinator, and to rid the world of lime beanies.
>>574459135I hate compniggers so much
>>574466246i'm not retarded so i uncloak in a quiet spot
>>574466246Imagine not playing with mic spam
>and my favorite class is the spy.>thanks, and have fun.
>>574466524>thanks thanks, and have fun
>guy makes autistic comments on the mic>tell him to shut the fuck up>he doesall is well
>>574466124Based sinner purger.
>>574460550>the cow mangler is practically a straight upgrade in comp.So what, if it's better than stock why dont they use it? I thought comp was about using the best strat available not banning it
>>574466074>>574466083Demoknight will never be taken seriously
>>574466780tf2 will never be taken seriously :^)
>>574448358Invis Watch:>+5% movement speed while cloakedCloak and Dagger:>+50% damage resistance while cloaked>+Cannot replenish cloak meter while cloaked, but can be replenished when decloakedDead Ringer:>+Cannot replenish cloak meter while decloaked, but can be replenished when cloaked>+Unaffected by all enemy items and damage for 3 seconds after being triggered, and any previous status effects are removedUniversal buffs:>+decrease decloak time by 0.5 seconds>+ability to toggle between movement speed of disguised class and Spy's default movement speed (with the exception of Scout)Spy is now a more viable class
>>574466726No comp fags play their autistic meta, and will ban anything that threatens it.
>>574466650i once coerced a kid into screaming the n-word in voice chat
All nerfs were SHIT
>>574466726From what I know they consider it too spammy. It's not strong in an interesting way.
Anyone else never get frustrated at a certain weapon and never get spawncamped?Like puff n sting never bothered me.Amby and DR never bothered me.etc
>>574466938I used dead ringer before the nerf and I felt dirty using it. I was already using stock watch when the nerf happened.
>>574466938DR is just annoying for the sole fact that everyone knows when a spy is using one. They'll instantly die and then they'll come back 10 seconds later to try the same thing only for them to scurry off back to their ammo packs and persist this tactic until you're distracted with something else and that's when they backstab you. Not because they're tricky or smart, but because you were simply distracted with something important like the objective or trying to fight off someone else. It's not fun having to "kill" the same spy five times or having to REALLY go out of your way to kill him just to even get a moments respite. I hated it back at release and I still hate it now, at least it's more managable to go against.
>>574466938Old liberty launcher made me seethe
>>574466839>Cannot replenish cloak meter while decloaked, but can be replenished when cloakedhow does this work? if you don't get metal when you first feign death you have to use a resupply cabinet?
>>574466938puff and sting drove me up a fucking wall when I had nothing I could do against it. You would just sit there and wait while the pyro one shotted you. Was fucking insane. Hell they didn't even need to airblast, it was practically a backstab if they quick swapped.
>>574467167probably has the same cool down it currently has.Which means you can pick up ammo kits to extend the cloak, but not recharge it. Honestly not a bad idea.
>>574467143I fucking loathe Dead Ringer spies in VSH, almost all of them have it because it's an objectively better option and all of them have hyper-awareness of where every ammo pack on the map is to get as many free lives as possible.
>>574466938Something I always hated is in fighting games where once an enemy got you in hitstun and started their combo you might as well put the game down and wait for them to finish because there's nothing you can use to escape it.Puff and sting and sandman were those.They should buff sandman though I think valve nerfed it a little too hard.>>574466839>Just pick up the ammo before decloaking with the dead ringer>Dead ringer is now stronger than ever beforeYeah please no.
What is valve working on right now besides TI10?
>>574467167what >>574467331 said. but>>574467571I forgot to mention, an early decloak will reduce your current meter by 30%, so even if you grab a full ammo kit and immediately decloak, you won't be able to use it again right away
>>574448358Are spy mains still whining about not having free spammable god mode any more? At least whining about the Amby nerf made some sense, shitters who think Spy can't get kills without being unkillable are retarded.
>>574467720I can get behind having a 6 second cooldown on the dead ringer compared to the 10 to 20 second cooldown it currently has, long enough to stop spies just constantly barraging you with their get out of jail free card.
>>574459828>giving scout support shitFuck of, no, there’s a reason why milk is banned in comp
>>574456581i'd just sit on trade servers with huge open maps like the pokemon towns and sticky jumper + caber snipers for hours. good times, especially when you could place more than 2 SJ stickies.
I PUSH MY FINGERS INTO MY
>>574469269>revert redeploy nerf but add mark for death if you redeploy after the first timeFixed
>>574456581The definitive answer to the sniper problem is what it was.
Reminder Grant Vincent (Froyo B4nny) worked very closely with Valve on Meet your Match and pretty much helped them design it. Comp faggots truly ruin everything they touch.
>>574465630>airblasting a charging demoknight and watching him autistically flail his weapon in hopes of out damaging you with his 60 damage stick as you burn him to crisp>setting up a mini sentry right around the corner to kill a cheeky demoknight who thought you were a free head>simply outmanuvering his bullshit since he can't properly cover height abuse and his charges are super obvious>suiciding right before he kills you so he can't get any headsCockblocking demoknights is almost as fuck as cockblocking trolldiers, almost.
>>574468539Comp is gay and should just mod the game instead of bitching.
>>574453790fuck off, all the unlockable weapons dont belong in the game, Quake MegaTF gave each class enough of an identity and extra usable tools without having to flood the game with hundreds of extra weapons. They still never ended up adding back anything like thrown grenades or detpacks, which they removed because of "spam" either.
Fuck sandvichFuck bananaWho /chocolate/ here?
>>574471725I don't always play heavy, but when I do, I use the chocolate.Valve please buff the buffalo steak and remove that dumbass damage vulnerability.
>>574472706Damn I forgot to share my chocolate. Here, As proof I'm no fake chocolatier.
>>574454343How the fuck is the mvm meta changing in 2021?
>>574466839one idea I've always had for Spy is to add a toggle key that allows Spy to always run at "Spy speed" regardless of disguise.
>>574473258i think there is a mod that added that
>>574458829>>574471540Unlockable weapons are one of the reason TF2 is still playedCope, seethe and dilate
>>574460064desu even as it is, if you are half decent at aiming pills you are way better off with the stock
>>574466938I don't understand the hate for Scorch ShotPyros using it dont fuck me over any more often than some other classAnd you basically have to use it playing Pyro on certain maps to not be dead weight to your team
>>574478393Scorch shot just has too much damage for all the utility it brings and enables the most braindead of pyro playstyles (phlog pyros). Honestly I'd be fine if they kept all the utility on it but reduced it's base damage by 90%. That way it can still be used to annoy snipers and destroy stickies but you can't just spam the bloody thing for free damage anymore.
>>574456654fists of steel
>caring about TF2 when Overwatch existslmao
>>574468539Fuck comp. compfags dont even use the shortstop and it isnt banned now so making them ban it now wouldnt cause any difference
>>574459828>replace the M2 with the ability to toss out small medkitswhat the fugg, do you have any idea how busted that is on scout?
>>574462828>Press Y>type "red, your sniper is a bot">watch him disappear
>>574448358wait, what happened? havent played in years but i loved that item!was it removed or nerfed or something??
>>574458829>he didn't play before the medic update
>>574448358eh that was actually a bit busted let's be fair. now with that being said, FUCK VALVE
>>574479894>let’s give spy a pocket sniper riflewhat the FUCK were they thinking
>>574466524like it or not there isn't a stealth experience in video games quite like playing spy in tf2it takes on a whole other dimension when you play against real people (even incredibly stupid, oblivious people) rather than any ai>>574479738it has gone through multiple reworks and they've failed to make everyone happy every single time
>>574456568>cant you just track better and murder scouts instead?it rattles them with the natascha, which is worth the extra .2 seconds it tales to kill
>>574448358>le impossible to kill dickhead with this thing and the fucking spycicle who isnt even skilled enough to get a kill but only serves as a mild annoyance
Where is the fucking artifact pasta poster? Why isn't he on the one and only thread this month made to slag off valve?
>>574471725If I am not using the Shotgun, I am probably using this.
>>574479969Better than the diamondback, at least the gun rewards you for aiming well instead of just playing normally
>still no strange banana
Valve screwed over the Artifact fanbase by cancelling the Artifact 2.0 beta without even allowing users to invite friends like they said they would in January and does not deserve your financial support for these gross consumer-unfriendly practices.
>*Helps you climb to the top of the leaderboard without doing anything resembling work*You know I had to do it to them.
confession: I still use 2013 era loadouts as that is when i played the most and i don't feel like using the other weapons
>>574480392this was pretty much me before they nerded the loose cannon too
>>574448358I became a spy main because of StaryKrowhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIKCxOOKPwE
just had a game where there were like 10 bots on the other team and i managed to convince my team to all use kill in the console at the same time and all the bots left. same thing works for convincing eveyrone to stay in spawn for a little bit.
>>574468539>compWhen will people understand that comp is not a viable way to judge a weapon's effectiveness?