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Who will be revealed at E3 in 4 days?
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>>559081525
Probably somebody shitty that nobody cares about.
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>>559081525
Eggman (Sonic's 30th anniversary or something)
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>>559081525
That Scorpion art is great. Where's it from?
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I hope Dante, but since Bandai presents on the same day as Portendo, Agumon wouldn’t be a bad choice.
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>>559081525
Don't know but I hope there's some anons out there who get their most wanted. I already got mine and it feels great.
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>>559081525
Either Porky or Crono
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>>559081525
This is pretty based I'd be fine with anyone here except Ryu he seems boring sorry
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>>559081525
none of them
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>>559081525
None of them
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>>559082107
>Porky
lmao
>Crono
Sephiroth is your Square Enix rep for this wave.
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>>559082291
This is how you easily spot someone who is underage
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>>559081525
>Doomguy
Unless Ninty acquires ID, it's not gonna happen. The only reason (besides popularity) Bayo got in is because ninty bought her. Both are too adult for the general fanbase of casual smash, but one is already in nintys hands
>Crash
Possible, although the recent team got sent to COD jail. The mobile/switch game hasn't come out to PC yet, either, so they could be stalling on crash or he's dead in the water
>Eggman
Crono/porky/sans/Chara tier guess. He'll either be a Mii costume, a trophy, or never show up at all.
>Dante
He would be fun but same thing as doomguy: too adult. His introduction quote would be "From DMC, he's included" or something like that.
>Ninja gaiden guy
The new bundle remaster thing got released, but I don't know what that means. He could happen, but he's not super popular.
>Mk rep
Too adult, plus NRS has been dead silent on MK11
>Jimbo
Nah, he's too obscure at this point.
>Digimon
Pokemon
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>>559081525
None of these guys thats for sure.
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>>559082291
Delusional tranny, just because you cut and paste doesn't mean it's ever going to be real. Enjoy your sans skin
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>>559082448
adults only in my rated-E videogame about cute Nintendo characters fighting each other.
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>>559083220
I will.
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>>559083119
>Bayo got in is because ninty bought her.
why do retards keep saying this. Sega owns Bayo. I can play her game on my PS4 right now.
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>>559081525
>Likely
Crash. He's got enough history, he's on a Nintendo console, and while I haven't played a lot of the games myself, I hear he's got enough abilities beyond just the spinning and jumping to actually make a full moveset.

>Wanted
Neku from The World Ends With You. He's not completely impossible, since the sequel is coming out (and he's in it as well) and he'd have plenty of abilities to make a very interesting moveset from. Plus, it'd be awesome to have the Dead God's Pad as a stage, and some of the OST to fight to.
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I can't believe I have to wait 4 whole fucking days to watch the Nintendo Direct. I don't even feel like playing any games until after E3.
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>>559082107
If it is Crono I will literally never ask for anything again
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>>559081525
Earth Worm Jim would be a surprise!
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>>559081525
>Doomguy
>Eggman
>Dante
Tell me why people are really gunning for these characters again? Eggman seems like a choice that's only popular because of Sephiroth getting in and both Doomguy and Dante have had sift deconfirmations.
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Sam & Max, and Phoenix Wright
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>>559081525
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why is sheik in that image?
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>>559081525
It will never be a Digimon, but that would be the absolute best possible pick. Imagine. We've all been expecting a gen VIII Pokemon rep, just fucking imagine the asspain from /vp/ shills if we got a Digimon instead.

It's a shame it will never fucking happen.
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>>559082291
Putting aside certain factors, this isn't a bad mock-up.
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>>559083509
>Neku from The World Ends With You. He's not completely impossible
He is at E3. He's a character from a niche game series, not an E3 reveal.
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>>559082107
These are my realistic picks too.
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>>559081525
Ryu Hayabusa and Doom Slayer
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>>559085567
I would really love Porky to happen and for this to finally be the year of MOTHER, but I don't see happiness in my future. Also not confident in another Square Enix character but I would be okay with Chrono.
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Porkyfags are the most delusional fan base. He’s so irrelevant he’s not even a spirit, yet they seem to think that actually helps his chances. Seriously, fuck off.
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Crash.
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I'd really like Crash. I just know one of them is going to be some anime faggot though. Or some anime girl. Probably with a sword.
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>>559086126
This. At least Reimufags knew when to stop.
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>>559085543
Oh, I know his chances are incredibly low. It's why it's a wanted character, not a likely one.
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Saved, juuuuuuuuust in case
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>>559088242
You must be joking.
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>>559083119
>Possible, although the recent team got sent to COD jail. The mobile/switch game hasn't come out to PC yet, either, so they could be stalling on crash or he's dead in the water
This was proven false and Toys for Bob are still able to use the IP.
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>>559084968

Right is obviously supposed to be Crash, I have no idea what the left one is
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>>559083119
>Digimon
>Pokemon
Sonic? Mario.
GameFreak has no say on who gets into fucking smash.
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>>559088242
See you on the other side comrade. May the pigmask army succeed in the war effort.
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>>559081525
HIM
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>>559088242
Same here. I’ll post it when E3 comes and Porky isn’t there. Not even a fucking spirit. If they were saving him for DLC, don’t you think they’d include him in the first pass and not 3 fucking years after the fact?
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>>559089693
>A literal mii costume generic anime sword boy not from Final Fantasy or Dragon Quest
>revealed at E3
lol yeah sure
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>>559089883
You will regret those words.
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>>559090207
Seriously, he will. Lloyd is so goddamn obvious it hurts.
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>>559089880
They waited five years for Steve.
They didn't include Pyra/Mythra and Min Min despite being no brainers for the base roster according to Sakurai himself.
Sephiroth has been kept for at least two years to later come with FFVII spirits.

If anything with what we've seen from the second pass it feels more like base game additions which fits Porky like a glove.
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>>559091494
>it feels more like base game additions which fits Porky like a glove.
Porkyfags really have lived long enough for them to be the new Genotards. This is embarrassing that any of you think we'll ever get another Earthbound character.
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>>559089376
Looks like Demi Fiend to me kinda?
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>>559091494
They waited on Steve because they were negotiating. Porky is a Nintendo character, there’s nothing to negotiate about. Pyra and Min Min were relatively new. There’s no reason why Porky is in. If Mother was a huge series like Zelda or Mario, I’d agree, but it’s fucking F-Zero/Banjo/Punch Out tier. It’s dead.
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>>559083479
Nintendo payed for the production of Bayo 2.
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>>559091983
And her playboy photoshoot.
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>>559091824
Sakurai confirmed that Nintendo do not choose characters because they are recognizable but if they are fun to use.
I know Porky is a long shot, in fact most Porkybros think so but these arguments don't work.
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>>559091983
>Nintendo payed for the production of Bayo 2.
A ton of developers do this.
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>>559084968
Demi Fiend and Crash? Right like obviously Crash and left matches up pretty well with Demi assuming the gold is his eyes and the green are his tattoo outlines
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>jrpg swordsman
>botw2 character
>new gen pokemon

I want to get excited for something like in the OP but this is what I'm expecting
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>>559092361
>jrpg swordsman
to be fair we just got 2 of those characters in a row so the chances are slim this time around especially with it being E3
>botw2 character
It doesn't really make sense to introduce a new character to Smash when no one knows anything about the new game yet or it's characters. It's not like when Mario Odyssey was new, we all expected a new Mario character from that game to be in Smash. I don't know why it would be the same with Zelda.
>new gen pokemon
Not exactly an E3 reveal plus people have been saying this since the first DLC pass and it never happened. The only possible way I can see a new Pokemon being revealed at such a big event is if it's Pokemon Trainer 2.0.
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>>559092361
I kinda doubt we'll get 3(4) fucking sword users in a row but who knows, 5 if you count Steve
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>>559092736
>Pokemon Trainer 2.0.
Cynthia? Ties in with the gen 4 hype Gamefreak is trying to push.
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If Namco gets a rep, I unironically expect it to be Klonoa over basically anything else that isn't Lloyd. And Lloyd is doomed to Mii costume hell.
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Anyone got a bingo card yet? Cant wait either way Im just here for damage control and the meltdown.
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>>559092156
Sakurai clearly chose Terry and Joker. During interviews they confirmed it's Sakurai himself who came to Atlus and SNK.
Sakurai is a hack.
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>>559093021
>I unironically expect it to be Klonoa
You must be a retard to think this. Klonoa is as niche as a platformer can get and his series is dead as fuck. Anyone who this he has a shot over anything from Tekken, Soul Calibur, or even Digimon is nuts. Hell Dig Dug has a better shot than Klonoa.
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>>559093343
He is clearly talking about Pack 2 retard.
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>>559093343
>Sakurai is a hack.
If he picked Terry, he obviously has some good taste.
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>>559081990
Goddamn anon I can't imagine how you felt getting fucking Sephiroth in when Cloud was already in the game. Makes me kinda feel bad that I got Steve since in retrospect he was inevitable.
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>>559093430
Klonoa has pretty has been fairly important to Namco for years now, even when he doesn't have games. He was considered a secondary mascot and he cameos in stuff all the time, plus Namco has obviously got to notice the desire for the character. Tekken has gotten a Mii costume and I legitimately cannot see a Soulcaliber rep, let alone a Digimon happen.
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>>559093527
Fighting game chads still going strong.
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>>559093825
You unironically think Klonoa is second to Pac-Man, don't you?
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>>559093962
In terms of overall gaming relevance, no. But at point he was considered a secondary mascot.
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It doesn't matter because the fanbase will flip their shit in anger since it's not the one each person specifically wants and the bitching will never end.
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>>559081525
Special Hax$ and Leffen Miis that have the power to make out with each other. Hax$ gets Snake's moveset. Leffen gets Hitler's

Hitler revealed for Smash
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>>559081990
I got terry Bogard
Being the only person in my small Washington hick town that played KoF; it felt fantastic.
I felt that hype for sephiroth; im an FFVIIfag too
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>>559094329
>Hitler revealed for Smash
Famicom Wars bros... we did it.
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>>559086836
>At least Reimufags knew when to stop.

I think I speak for most of us when I say we've never really seen her as that likely. She'd be an incredible addition in my eyes and I do feel happy that she's gained her share of support over the past few years, but it's no secret that she's a pipe dream. I feel she technically has a small chance, but that's about the best endorsement I can give.

I'd be happy to see Porky, but the Spirit drivel is getting kind of tiring at this point. I'm still strongly in the camp that the ASC was chosen instead to act as a joke, and that's the whole "story" behind his supposed exclusion from the base game.
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>>559081990
To be honest, this. Getting K. Rool was already a huge win, but I've gotten very pandered with this roster. I'd be content seeing others get their wishes fulfilled instead with the last two.
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>>559092043
that photoshoot was awful
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I never reply to these autistic threads but why would Nintendo have non family friendly characters like Doomguy or Scorpion?
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>>559094708
Bayonetta
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>>559082107
how the fuck would porky even work, he's just a fat kid with nothing special in M2, and M3 he's stuck in his spider thing
if anything they should have just bought him back as a boss in WoL and for lucas/ness classic mode like ganon
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>>559081990
>Got my top Never Ever pick in Smash 4 with Mega Man and think that'll never topped
>Vote for Simon Belmont in the Smash Balot, my second never ever pick
>Simon and Richter both announced for Ultimate, now it really can't get any better
>Four Dragon Quest heroes confirmed for Fighters Pass
>Pic related
I have no idea who else they could add at this point to get me that hard again.
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>>559084565
God, I wish.
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>>559094823
Pussy pass.
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>>559082107
This. Crono was leaked by Vergeben and Porky's absence is inexplicable.
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>>559094708
>non family friendly characters
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>>559095008
Maybe Porky just isn’t that important
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>>559081525
The lack of master chief faith with the OP's who make these threads is really alarming.
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>>559095008
>Virgin Bin
I don't deny his base game info was good but he didn't even fucking know Steve was a thing, he swore up and down it'd be just a stage or boss
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>>559094941
Master Higgins? Sophia MKIII? Ryu Hayabusa? Bill Raizer/Lance Bean? Arthur? Warrior of Light/Party?

I imagine you're an NES/Famicomfag and that's radical my man.
I bet you were sad Bomberman got deconfirmed twice.
I think a TurboGrafx rep would be great.
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>>559081525
It won't be who I want. It won't be Mega Man X. It sure as fuck won't be Rocket Knight. It won't be a seriously unexpected character like Ratchet. It won't be anything I want.

It's the final two and knowing Sakurai expect either another Fire Emblem OR another Pokemon (Cinderace the Shillmon of this generation).
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>>559081990
I wish I knew what it feels like to see your most wanteds get in, all of mine are pipe dreams at the very best.
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>>559081525
Gimme Master Chief and Eggman or even Monster Hunter (I know there’s the Mii costume but there’s so many armors they could use instead)
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>>559095363
Honestly yeah Bomberman being an assist bummed me out but ultimately I was glad to see him in at all. Any of those picks would be great though.
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>>559081525
I just want Klonoa and Sora. I know I'm not getting either. Just because Namco is making Smash and Sakurai's team is called Sora doesn't mean anything.
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>>559095098
because your Microsoft rep is Steve, How is this not hard to grasp?
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>>559081525
Perfect thread to say the following, if I were Nintendo I would raise the price of DLC. We know gamers would love it.
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I will never understand why there are not more Metal Slug fagbros on these Smash speculation threads. A major SNK IP, arguably their most well known, yet only Smash content is 4 music tracks? No Mii costumes? No spirits with Terry and still no Spirit Event at all, when stuff like Kunio-kun and fucking War Frame got Spirits added? Do you realize how big of a whore ChiSNK is with their IPs? They are the complete opposite of Square, they will literally give Nintendo EVERYTHING, just look at what came with Terry, they want the broad appeal of their franchises known across the globe and having just 4 music tracks for one of the absolute biggest they have, not even needing to rely on fighting game fandom faggotry, shit just dont add up. Plus we just got announced today a brand new MS title that will probably get a Switch/console port, the 8th game in the main series planned to be released sometime not to far off, plus a big new phone shit game they wanna push.

Its kinda like a Porky situation, there IS content for MS, but the amount of it does not match what anyone would expect. No way in hell is SNK being stingy with MS content for Smash, unless Sakurai has some secret hatred for the series like he does Wario Land or some shit, it doesnt make any sense that they wouldnt have even thrown in a single sprite-rip spirit event after all this time. Fuck, someone screen cap this, I think we are getting the Metal Slug team for E3 and I have been believing this since the 2nd pass was announced. I dont think they will be the last reveal, but 2nd to last seems right.
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>>559095154
He knew about Minecraft since 2018. Sure, not Steve himself but it has been confirmed talks happened for five years.
Same thing with Square Enix. In September 2018, he stated his source heard mostly Luminary/Erdrick, Sephiroth and Crono as the most commonly thrown names. We even know Luminary and Erdrick were the original plan.
Crono is not certain but he does have credibility to his name.
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>Already know the next fighters ahead of time
Nice
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>>559096226
No you don't.
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>>559081525
I still somewhat think shadow might be introduced as an echo fighter
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>>559082291
Looks somewhat like a decent mock up. You probably post this on some Tumblright page and they might be stupid enough to fall for it
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>>559096278
Yes. I’ll see you at E3
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>>559096097
There was a ton of love for the series in the few days after the SNK leak and before the following Nintendo Direct, but Metal Slug traction absolutely took a hit after Terry. Not only is SNK a tough sell for two fighters, but the mere fact he covered much of the company's entire library of games definitely made him seem like THE rep for the company. Yeah, Metal Slug could have gotten more, but with the fighting games being the focus it's not too big a surprise it didn't. The lack of Mii Costumes did admittedly disappoint me a good bit, but I certainly don't think it was due to later DLC plans.
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>>559092192
Okay?? Nintendo did it and thats why shes in smash
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>>559096489
It doesn't work if you don't say who they are, you nimrod.
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>>559081525
Master Chief.
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goko
fornites
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>>559083119
>Too adult
Because that stopped so many other characters from getting in, right?
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>>559081525
None of these
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>>559095859
>Only one rep per fighters pass fag
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>>559096097
>I will never understand why there are not more Metal Slug fagbros on these Smash speculation threads.
because there aren't that many true Metal Slug fans and the ones that are don't particularly care about Smash Bros. It's a miracle we got even 1 SNK rep. Anything more just sounds crazy despite being based.
>only Smash content is 4 music tracks?
They didn't HAVE to include MS music.
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>>559081525
Probably either demifiend or him.
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>>559081617
So, what's new? There's been non-entity RPG fag filler since the U edition.
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>>559096841
>>559097075
name ONE example where this happened? Oh wait you can't.
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>>559096097
Metal Slug fans aren't autistic and own soap
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If we have a double reveal, I believe Porky has a chance.
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>>559081525

Who cares? People will complain either way
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>>559081525
>That suspicious graze "bug" where you go through projectiles
Yeah, I think she is in
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The surprise is the fun part. It's always, ALWAYS something no one expects which is why people guess literally everything under the sun, hoping to be "right"

I'm pulling for Shovel Knight, Travis Touchdown, Phoenix Wright, Ryu Hayabusa or Bandana Dee.

But honestly, pretty much every gaming character I love is already included, nothing will top Mega Man for me. I haven't personally cared for too much of the DLC but I'm happy for the people that they please
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>>559098778
Did anyone else actually replicate this? I recall there being a lot of suspicion around the person who first mentioned it.
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>>559094430
underrated
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I'd be so happy if we got a Digimon.
Pokemon Vs. Digimon finally
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>>559099369
https://youtu.be/QKBLrSQ02_A
And like the joker we have Reimu's spin offs coming to switch
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>>559095095
Somehow the helicopter thing from Brawl deserved a spirit for being an AT but the only two bosses they decided not to give a spirit to, Porky and his statue, major antagonists of Mother, were completely forgotten? That's unlikely. It's not a Smash 4 case where many ATs and bosses were not represented. This time every single AT and bosses were added as spirits but not Porky nor his statue.
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>>559094286
Andy killed Terry for this.
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>>559097895
Children won't know who Porky is. Kids knew who Banjo was because of YouTubers and memes. Min Min was advertising. Terry was Sakurai's choice. Byleth was advertising.
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>>559100704
>Kids knew who Banjo was because of YouTubers
Thats bascially why anyone knows what EB is, especially kids.
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what I'd like: Master Chief, Dante, Sora, old school Pokemon(Gengar).

What we will get: Crash Bandicoot, Rayman, new school pokemon(Cinderace).
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>>559101602
>gengar
I like the way you think
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>>559101269
When YouTubers start demanding Porky (like they still do Geno) then maybe, but unless Nintendo's trying to sell EB/Mother 3 again it won't happen.
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>>559100704
Kids know who Porky is thanks to Brawl.
It's no longer 2004, Mother isn't obscure anymore.
Plus Porky could be Sakurai's choice in the second pass.
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>>559102215
>Kids know who Porky is thanks to Brawl.
This generation of children doesn't fucking know what Brawl is unless they've seen it discussed online.
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>>559100704
Who cares about children? It's a game for 12 years old or more.
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>>559081525
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Either Ring Fit Trainer
Lloyd Irving
Another shitty FE character
Another shitty Pokemon

One of those 4, all disappointing, though I'll accept Lloyd and Ring Fit.
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>>559095421
X would be based as fuck if not for the music. I'd also like Doomguy. Those are my 2 most personal wants.
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Soon.
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He is in.
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imagine the reaction
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>>559081990
My most wanted was another FF rep to fix the shit content Cloud was stuck with, it was a three way tie between Cecil, Black Mage and Sephiroth
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>>559108283
>Reimufags seething because best girl got in first
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>New Fortnite season started
>Agent Jones is reported missing
He's in.
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>>559081990
At this point, I want Rayman the most, but I'm happy that I got Wario, Pac-Man and Cuphead as an outfit. Even the DLC so far is really good.
Cheers, Sephibro.
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Top 3 are all good picks.
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>>559108283
They could do like Pyra and Myhtra and combine Reimu and Marisa
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>>559098778
>>559108283
>implying a 2hu would be revealed at E3 instead of TGS
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>>559083221
Yes, cute characters like Ridley
Now please read my tedtalk on how Geno will be in before Sephiroth
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REMINDER THAT THERES ONLY 5 DAYS UNTIL CUT CHAD RETURN

WHO WE GONNA CUT BROS?
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>>559081525
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>>559096717
That doesn't mean they own her
You saw what happened to W101 right?
Now Astral Chain outdid the Bayo series, she's out on her doorstep next game
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>>559090207
>>559090613
Huntercucks 2.0
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>>559114701
he looks like doomguy
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>>559116365
Fuck yes Im so glad that character cut speculation is returning. Im hoping FE loses at least 5 characters
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>>559116365
Bayo 2 and 3 are Nintendo exclusive for now.
Bayonetta 1 was released on everything because they fully owned it.
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POST YOUR MOST WANTED CUTS BROS
>Incelroar
>at least 2 Xenoblade characters
>Rosalina and have her puppet gimmick replaced with astral chain
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>>559098778
>Implying its not him
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>>559116923
Ness and Lucas
Fuck these PK fire gremlins
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>>559114701
Oh shit, Bill Rizer is in Fortnite?
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>>559116571
I hope Young Link gets replaced by the chad link next game.
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>>559117206
It pains me to say it but I think its time to cut Toon Link. He's clearly never getting a Wind Waker moveset like we all wanted in the brawl days so honestly just cut both child links and combine their movesets into "Classic Link"
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>>559116923
>Dark Samus to Samus alt
>Lucas to Ness alt.
>Sheik merged back to Zelda
>Dr. Mario
>Lucina
>Chrom
>Dark Pit
>Toon Link to Young Link alt
>Wii Fit trainer
>Greninja because fuck that thing
>Bowser Jr.
>Ken as Ryu alt
>Richter as Simon alt
and I guess Byleth can go as well.

Man it's hard to cut characters, they all have their places in our hearts.
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The only downside of cuts is how wasteful and annoying veteranfags will be during the DlC of Smash 6.

https://sourcegaming.info/2015/06/25/ryu-roy-and-lucas-join-the-battle-sakurai-famitsu-column-vol-481/
>"I had a grasp on their popularity and demand, though." (On the topic of Roy and Lucas DLC)
so get ready for the wave of retards begging for Incineroar and Lucina back. Especially the FEtards.
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>>559117684
Lucina can stay. As female Marth.
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>>559081525
>Doomguy
Sakurai probably doesn't care about Doom, at least not enough to put him in his game
>Crash
Even if he wanted to put him, I don't think Sony would let ND give the greenlight
>Robotnik
Well-known and loveable character, probably won't be put as well because Sonic's already in
and it's not FE
>Dante
A bit of a stretch, but would be a pleasant surprise to see him with the invitation letter on his desk
>Ryu
Not as much of a stretch as Dante, given the original NG on the NES
>Wild card
Jim is another pleasant surprise, Scorpion and the Digimon (don't know its name) are almost definite no's.
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>>559117775
Nah, the bitch can go.
Byleth took the title of savior of the franchise.
Plus she cuter.
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>>559105504
>I'm getting rid of the cancerous weeb shit and cancerous top tiers
>wants Sora, who's both of those things
You're just being self-aware retard aren't you?
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>>559118000
b-but different model/name alts are fun! Like Alph. Except Olimar can go, fuck that character.
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>>559081525
I hate the idea of any more third parties getting into this game. If I had to pick one from that list, it'd be Eggman since at least he meshes well with the Nintendo characters.
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Would have been perfect timing but Sephi got his slot!
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>>559117465
Bro you need to cut more full characters then that. If they're gonna add the usual 15-20 newcomers they'll need to cut at least 30 characters to downsize the roster
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>>559117206
This is a pretty based idea, but Young Link's moveset and playstyle is so cancerous I'd be happy if there was only one link in the next game and this one could just be a skin (they could easily modify his proprtions to be the same height as BotW Link).
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Even if there even was a Gen 8 rep, it's not Cinderace.
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>>559118343
Im still fucking pissed we never got Mew. He could work hes easily pikachu sized
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>>559116923
If WiFi experiences determined who I wanted to cut.
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>>559117684
As a FEtard, I would cut the shill characters and combine the Marth moveset clones into a palette swap. Never wanted 4748 sword lords, just Hector
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>>559118343
If we're getting another Pokemon starter, I'd prefer it be Rillaboom, we need more monkeys in the game.
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>>559118309
The good problem about 15-20 newcomers is that there are no 15-20 new characters that could reasonably get in.
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>>559116923
Incineroar is fully original so that cut would suck. He's also a pretty fun character in general.

I doubt anyone would truly miss Chrom.
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>>559108283
If a Touhou character got in, it'd open the door for practically anything 3rd party to enter Smash which is not a Pandora's Box I necessarily want opened.
However Touhou music is too good to pass up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6L6E7TLy10
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>>559118561
>more monkeys
On that thought, there isn't a single black person in Smash. Or really in Japanese games. Barret and Rodin are only ones that come to mind.
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>>559118714
Chrom is stupidly fun to play as though. I'd cut Roy and Lucina to keep him (Lucina's my favorite FE character but she's incredibly boring to play as).
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>>559081990
Yep. I already got Ridley, K Rool, and Banjo, so anything else is just a bonus at this point.
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>>559118852
You need to cut WAY more FE then 2 marth clones. If at least 3 full characters arent cut then Im not buying that shit
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>>559118852
Playstyle wise I'd rather keep Chrom than Roy, but Roy has smash legacy and is visually different from Marth.
Ike is different enough to be in Smash.
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>>559118561
Fuck fully evolved starters I want something different for once. Give me a weird looking legendary or another first form pokemon.
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>>559119019
>smash legacy
That doesnt mean anything when cutting characters. FE will always get a shill newcomer you cant just keep the old ones they need to cycle out
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>>559118343
Gonna be dual doggos
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>>559118806
Doc Louis would be a fun Little Mac echo fighter, isn't he the most iconic black character in gaming anyways?
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>>559119235
I want King Hippo. He's the last iconic NES nintendo villain
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>>559119034
That'll never happen again, unforunately. Mimikyu would've been cool to have over Incineroar and he had the marketability to boot. Unfortunately Game Freak's gotta shill.
>>559119136
This'd be based, we don't have enough quadrapeds in this game.
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>>559118561
>we need more monkeys in the game.
This senpai
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>>559119350
>Plays exactly like DK
>but funkier
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>>559119350
Based choice, Anon. Would make for a great echo fighter or even semi-clone. Dixie Kong, Cranky, even DK. jr are all cool choices for characters too.
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>>559081525
Why do you autists want any of these characters? They're all horrible, I'd rather get another fire emblem character even.
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>>559081525
EGGMAN AGUMON EGGUAGGUEGGUAAHUGHGUGH
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>>559119350
If he's a DK clone but he has a bunch of zany "funky 90's" poses and taunts then Im all for him
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>>559119136
Zac and Zam would be fucking awesome.
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Piranha Plant is uncutable. Rosalina on the other hand can go.
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>>559120294
I'd be ok with plant leaving if another mario enemy got in. Like a playable goomba tower
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>>559120423
Okay, fair. Only reason I want plant to stay is that we need joke characters.
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>>559116012
Marisa and Alice would make more sense as they teamed up in Imperishable Night
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>>559116332
It's time for the moment you've been waiting for.
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The whole point of E3 is to get articles about video games into the boomer press, so they know what games to buy their grand-kids for Christmas.

Thats why it is going to be Lara Croft in Smash.

Boomer journalists have only heard of Mario, Sonic and Lara (they genuinely think pokemon is just trading cards) so if they put Lara in the Nintendo direct it will get hugely disproportionate coverage.
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>>559081525
It’s guaranteed to be Lloyd, yuri or some swordsman since Lloyds Mii costume hasn’t returned which is a shame really because you’d think they’d have gotten it hoped to have the sword characters out the way by now so then the last 2 could be hype but 1 of the final 2 is guaranteed to be a swordsman.
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Shadow as an echo fighter and Eggman as a playable fighter please.
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sigh.. i want both agumon and crash honestly
imagine the ost possibilities
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>>559095363
>I think a TurboGrafx rep would be great.
Ooh, Bonk is a nice idea.
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>>559116923
On the one hand, I don't want there to be cuts. On the other hand, I want every PKfag drawn and quartered.
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>>559114701
god fortnite trying to retroactively add backstories and character to their random player models literal years after release is the most soulless shit imaginable
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>>559081990
Pretty much this. I've gotten so many of my top picks, can't bully Ridleyfags like the old days, and taunting Genofags is like beating a dead horse. I'm satisfied.
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Where are my zerobros at?
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>>559081525
>Based and celebration of video gamespilled
Doomguy
Ryu Hayabusa
Dante
Crash
Master Chief
Scorpion
TF2
Resident Evil rep
Kratos

>Based and representationpilled
Eggman
BotW rep
Chun-Li

>Based and Nintendo celebrationpilled
Phoenix Wright
Travis Touchdown
Professor Layton
Officer Howard
King Boo

>Based
Agumon
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>>559123392
Reimu
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>>559081990
Got Sonic in Brawl, Megaman in 4, K. Rool and Banjo, my top most wanted now is pic related WAHOO!
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>>559123392
How the fuck is travis a nintendo celebration?
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>>559123981
NMH was originally a Wii exclusive. The Wii remote was baked into that game pretty heavily.
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>>559119350
Make way for the Supreme Simian.
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Now that MS/Ubisoft stuff got leaked, Any chance PB12 is gonna leak Smash again?
He called Steve and, i think, Pyra several minutes before the reveal.

Also i find it funny Tales of faggots are trying to mooch off his shit to spam copycat leaks.
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>>559123636
cringe, it's almost like you want touhou to die
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>>559124286
>A Malice in Time
>Implying
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>>559124167
Who cares? Its multiplat now.
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>>559124286
>A Malice in Time
This feels like an ESL trying to think of something cool lmao
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>>559124286
PB12 is being a faggot and saying he knows nothing about Nintendo or Smash at all
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>>559081525
It's the same old shit... so boring... so sleepy...
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>>559125293
based joycongod
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I want Dante from the Devil May Cry series.
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>>559125148
So is Megaman, Castlevania, Final Fantasy, and SMT. NMH has remained closely tied and grateful to Nintendo this entire time.
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Is there a character you would cry for if he's added in the game? Did you cry when your most wanted made it? Why?
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Who gives a fuck? You'll play the character for a week and put the game down until the next announcement
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>>559125227
https://www.reddit.com/user/PracticalBrush12/comments/nx8zg8/brushies_practical_predictions/ (yes its a Reddit link, shove it up your ass, GG was 7 years ago)
Hes hinting he might leak more shit 2 days later for Nintendo
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>>559116923
The characters I chose to cut should either be redesigned or removed from the game.
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>>559118463
>Link
>Falco
>Little Mac
Explain yourself.
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>>559123318
Im an Xbro myself but I wouldn't mind at all
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>>559125773
Why remove Dedede but keep Meta Knight
Triple D more likely to stay
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>>559118754
>it'd open the door for practically anything 3rd party to enter Smash
You underestimate rosterfags. They would just do more mental gymnastics about how amazing Reimu is and how she absolutely not on the same level as Sub-Zero or Crash because of some arbitrary reason (like being Japanese).
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>>559083119

Every single one of your reasonings are absurd!
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>>559081990
I've gotten every never ever character of mine except Doomguy, feels pretty good overall.
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>>559125227
Go dilate, he's on the leak page and not the rumor page.
https://www.ssbwiki.com/List_of_leaks#Super_Smash_Bros._Ultimate_leaks
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>>559128323
>10 minutes prior
>30 minutes prior
What is the fucking point then?
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I want her in
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>>559083479
You can't play bayo 2 or 3 (if it ever comes out!) On PS5. That's because ninty has exclusive publishing right to the franchise since they bought the IP for the production of Bayo 2. It's like saying your babies arent yours because you adopted them, they're yours nigga
>>559089375
Good, I'd like to see crash in smash. Imagine the suffering of retards who thought he'd never ever get in.
>>559089464
What I meant was
>There's already a shit ton of pokemon, just add another one instead of digimon
People outside of Japan don't really care for digimon anymore
>>559096958
What other "adult" characters got in, besides bayo? Bowser, Ganon, Samus, Ridley, mythra/pyra, joker?
>>559127637
Maybe I'm just crazy, but I like to have fun on the internet
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>>559081525
Yo momma. In all seriousness, I just hope it's a double reveal.
>>559096097
The fact that there's music but they couldn't have been bothered to add a single png will haunt me until the end of the pass.
>>559116923
>Obligatory FE: Chrom, Lucina, Corrin, Roy : (
>Zero Suit Samus
>Joker?
Also I wouldn't mind if Banjo stayed for the next game, but I'm expecting him to get axed.
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>>559126517
Dedede can stay if he gets Waddle Dee Toss back.
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>>559128456
He's more reliable than your hick twitterfag leaker, even if its a short amount of time.

Funny it's fucking reddit getting all the good leaks too. This was leaked before the wojak plant leak.
www.ssbwiki.com/List_of_leaks#NoAtesty_leaks
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I assume we're getting both fighters revealed on Friday? They did it two years ago with Hero and Banjo.
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Crash is coming
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Weird how that practicalbrush guy gets everything but Nintendo in-house

I wonder if he’s scared to leak it or Nintendo is that good at keeping shit under wraps
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>>559128937
they might want to stretch out the last fighter until later in the year, whipping up the rosterfags into a frenzy as they anticipate who gets the last slot
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>>559128898
Answer the question, what is the fucking point in leaking it at the last nanosecond, when everyone is about ready to watch the show, instead of several days prior when people actualy care?
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>>559116923
>Corrin
>ZSS
>Maybe one other FE rep or something
That's really it.
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>>559125773
>Keep Mario, Dr. Mario, peach, and wario, but cut Luigi, bowser, and Bowser Jr
Why
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>>559129107

Possibly but this shit is just old now

Wrap it up
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>>559129190
Why do you care?
Even if it's attosecond, that would satisfy one's wait.

You literally sound like a moral cuckold too, like all those other resetera insiders that don't leak smash.
>"No no pls dont leak ninty stuff just just 5 seconds they'll get crankie"
See how you sound?
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>>559129095
Were you not around February?
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>>559121492

Anon characters that have been revealed at E3 haven't been shills for new games. But they've definately appealed to the wider gamer audience I'll give you that.

Megaman
Pacman
Mii's
Banjo
Hero

They've all been very big names. So maybe E3 won't have a literally who.. that's all we know
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Want:
>Doom, Chief, or Dante
Would be cool and relatively plausible:
>Chief or Crash
Bracing for because it's what I would explicitly exclude:
>Pokemon Rep & Fortnite man
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>>559125148

Imagine a Sony all stars thread someone wanted to have crash as a character as a celebration of Sony, and some dickwad says "who cares it's multiplat now"
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>>559125404
El Donte…
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>>559129737
Answer the question you slimy nigger.
What is the fucking point in leaking something 10 minutes early instead of when people actualy give a shit about the leak.
Sounds like you are projecting every retarded headcanon possible to deflect how useless PB12 is with Nintendo content
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>>559081990
I've gotten 0 characters I wanted. Fuck this game honestly.
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>>559125773

This is a troll

>Most of the cast needs a redesign.. except Ganondorf.. he's represented perfectly
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>>559081617
FPBP
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>>559117206
This is the best Link design in the series and you can't convince me otherwise.
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>>559081525
Hopefully a character that will make americans seethe
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>>559130669
I did
Stay mad Brushie invalidate all the bullshit /v/ and twitter """leaks""" in just under an hour.

You're asking retards to ignore like some sort of coping Nintendo shill or ResetERA moralfag insider who's losing the attention they gathered.
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>>559130993
He is, everyone likes Falcondorf.
The next step is cutting Ganondorf to appease Aonuma's pig fetish.
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>>559131995
Nigger please, I dont give a shit about anyone elses leaks, I dont give a shit about twitter trannies, /v/tards, or anyone else, I'm asking why Brushie is being a faggot and waiting until the last minute.
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>>559124286
What the fuck is the point of revealing it minutes before?
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>>559081617
So... Your favorite character?
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>>559133143
I've been asking these faggots several times and they just deflect hard
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>>559131995
I bet he leaks everything again before the E3 direct like a fag
I'll be on the sticky here for the direct but if he leaks again (and all previous leaks he has is accurate) then they'll be posted on the sticky and I'll have the announcements revealed to me before they were officially revealed
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>>559132668
>>559133143
Simple, his source only gives him the information at the very last moment. Currently he has no leak to share.
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>>559133143
Because that's when the actual people working actually get word of it, every """leak""" here is fake by default
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>>559133321
Yeah, but you may as ell just shut the fuck up and let people enjoy the reveal. Either leak it way sooner or shut the fuck up
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HISTORY NIGGAS
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>>559133321
Useless leakage. Just watch the Direct live (or when you are able to) and don't go to 4chin.
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>>559132668
>I dont give a shit
Yet you seem to care if someone leaks something in a petosecond.
That seems like something only a Nintendo shill would be concerned about.
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>>559133321
Why is it only Nintendo "leakers" being useless faggots? Everyone else gets several days in advance
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>>559118463
kek, most of these characters aren't even that good on wifi
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>>559133253
We already know you're a concerned Nintendo shill. We gave an answer, so stay in pre-cope mode as noone falls for your twitter//v/ post
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I don't really give a shit who it is as long as it isn't another FE character, but from all the things that people keep speculating on Dante or Doomguy would be the most interesting
I gave up my hopes for my boy Neku a long time ago, even if now would be the best possible time to shill him SE's already gotten a rep this fighter's pass. At this point I'd settle for some spirits or maybe a mii costume (as long as it came with a Twister remix for battle.)
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>>559133685
>>559134063
>muh shill
>can't answer the question
Useless nigger
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>>559122714
using soul and souless unironically is the faggiest shit too
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>>559081525
Arthur Morgan and Dante
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>>559134538
Bless the retard who made that twitter account to expose all fake "leaks"
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>>559134283
>IESLB and racism

Done
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>>559133792
Because anyone with a brain knows Nintendo clamps down on that shit hard, especially after Sabi at E3 2019 and Sword/Shield getting leaked on /vp/.
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>>559119547
Fucking lol'd
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>>559081525
None. The sequel, leaked or not (need to check from where this leaked talk is coming now), is still all but confirmed, and their game falls in the same "timeline" as ARMS and Xenoblade 2.
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>>559134247
Neku would literally never happen before sora
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>>559125658
>Hes hinting he might leak more shit 2 days later for Nintendo
Which means he has nothing otherwise he'd do it.
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>>559134852
Sabi got his info from PapaGenos' VR Plant
stop bringing up that fraud
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>>559132447

Liking the way something plays and being represented properly are two different things anon. His Moveset would be perfect for black shadow, but give him his smash 4wiiU smash attacks back.

There's literally no moves ganondorf has that represent the character how he appears in-game at all
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>>559081525
Traveler from Genshin Impact along with a shadowdrop announcement that the port is finally released on the Switch on the same day.
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Porky as CP11.

Him being revealed at E3 is a mystery.
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>>559134986
None is happening, but by all means, Neku is far more likely for future entries, as long as Neo manage to finally turn the IP into a proper franchise. Sora will forever be attache to the Disney price tag, while TWEWY is just the same amount of "trouble", than Cloud, Sephiroth and Hero, maybe even less.
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>>559134527
well yea you're a /v/zoomer who just hates on whatever the rest of /v/ tells you to
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>>559133512
holy based
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Akira from Astral Chin. Tip/Ring/Trainer from Ring Fit Adventure. Anything else would make no sense.
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>>559135107
>the dog fucking tranny who claimed VGA 2019 would have KOS-MOS in Smash
Glad he fucked off forever
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>>559083924
some person, can't remember if plebbit or 4chin, posted a list of characters and so far each one has been right. Crono is all that's left.
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It's going to be Ayumi Tachibana and the Smash fanbase is going to have a fucking meltdown over it.
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>>559082358
>implying squenix simply let sakurai include cloud in the roster without repurcussions
I'm not a big square fan but with how fucking assy they are with their ip's being represented here and there, I'm sure they almost didn't let cloud happen as base roster. That being said and cloud being in at start could only mean square got something they wanted and it wouldn't be just two squenix characters.
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>>559094902
right? That's why it's so fucking weird he isn't anywhere to be seen, not even a fucking spirit. Is he mentioned at all by name in ult?
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>>559135128
Because Black Shadow and Hades are literal whos and they don't give a shit about Sandniggerdorf's mewtwo playstyle.

You WILL replace Ganondorf
You WILL enjoy Classic Ganon in the Smash Re6oot
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>>559135349
>disney price tag
Fucking what
>>
gengar
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Earthworm Jim is never fucking happening. If Mr Game & Watch can't have a fucking feather on his head without bending the knee to Resetera they're not going to have a character created by Doug "Homo Holocaust" Tennapel
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>>559135589
That's pre Joker's reveal kind of logic right there.
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>>559135925
This
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>>559118561
worst choice imaginable
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>>559081525
>What I Really Want
Doomguy and Eggman
Doomguy and Wild Card (amazing choice)
>More Likely To Happen
Crash and Hayabusa
Crash and Wild Card (okay choice)
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>>559136442
My dumb, fancy way to say expensive. Seemingly you need to make Fornite money, or sign a devil like contract binding, for Disney to play along. And the worst part is that I am very sure it's either Sakurai or Nomura (the one person in Square who has to approve any of Sora's uses) refusing to let go of Disney iconography what rises the price so much.
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>>559081525
>Gex
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>>559135991
When was the last time porky appeared in any capacity? Maybe he was left out cause him being a fat kid named porky was always controversial. Thats why some versions of the game call him pokey
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>>559137003
doesn't sound like a thing that would stop sakurai, who mind you, included g&w old models that he only changed after people called it out.
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>>559136927
>. Seemingly you need to make Fornite money, or sign a devil like contract binding, for Disney to play along
Proof?
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>>559121492
>Lara Croft
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>>559137143
Sakurai has no power over an ethics committee. He censored palutena's dress in smash 4 and proceeded to act like a faggot pissbaby in an interview about it
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>>559082107
Crono is slowly becoming Geno 2,but with a less annoying fans
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weirdly i think it'll be some stupid overwatch character

crash or lloyd or one of various ninjas seems possible too
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>>559137349
you just don't like porky at all, i get it. I'm not even a mother fan but I'm still surprised about it. Also your reasoning makes no sense considering porky has made appearances up until ult.
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>>559137506
Porky hasnt appeared in anything new since brawl. Smash 4 even just recycled that model
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>>559137693
this is why you are such a fucking troubled soul, he still made an appearance you fucking cocksucker.
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>>559137003
Porky appeared again in 2017 in Earthbound's eshop release.

Pokey was always a mistranslation.
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>>559137184
The Marvel and Star Wars Crossovers in Fornite, coming with Movie premiers for Star Wars inside the game, and then Fortnite cross promotion in Avengers. As for restrictive contracts, that would be the mess of restrictions that was Marvel vs Capcom Infinite.

Marvel alone is actually easier to deal with, ever since Marvel gave their videogame department some autonomy (Something that happen short after MvCI, because something had to be the sacrificial lamb to prove things weren't working out), but the closer you get to the core of Disney, the more restrictive and expensive it gets. So I can't imagine what must be to work with an IP that have the main mascots of the company front and center. Again, maybe if they let go of them for Crossover purposes it wouldn't be so bad, but (and this is just speculation on my part), I had that feeling that either Sakurai or Nomura, maybe both, may not want to let go of that iconography in regards Sora.
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>>559134973

I think this would be the most infuriating reveal. Fans DESPISE the Rabbids for killing Rayman and only barely tolerate them for Mario/Rabbids being a good game. A Rabbid getting in would generate mines of salt and add an extra layer of shit on Rayman's corpse as one final "Fuck you, you're never coming back"

So naturally I'm rooting for them
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>>559128606
impa should have replaced sheik when they split her with zelda
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>>559137856
Too bad, they got a Mii Hat =^)
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>>559138016
Not him, but "regular" Rabbid got Miid. Mario like Rabbids, specially Rabbid Peach, are still free...
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>>559137693
EVERY first party dlc character has shilled a prominent Switch game. Every single one.

I think we're gonna get Bandana Dee or a Pokemon to shill for the like 5 new kirby games and 200 new pokemon games on the switch
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>>559138627
Piranha Plant didn't.
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>>559081525
BILL
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>>559138725
There are like over 10 switch games with piranha plant in them
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Reminder that Hero was 100% a shill pick for DQ11S
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>>559138627
it would just be Waddle Dee if anything. sakurai is not going to limit him to just the spear, he would have parasol and beam too
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>>559137693
It doesn't matter. Banjo, K. Rool, Simon Belmont... Are characters that didn't appear for years. What matters is the character being fun to use.

If Nintendo and Sakurai decided to pick Porky, it wouldn't be surprising.
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>>559138943
Nah just bandana dee
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>>559138725
Not him, and hate to be annoying prick to point out the exceptions. But Piranha Plat was Sakurai's pet project, and so close to base roster development, that they even recorded the Palutena Guidance for her.

Every other DLC character, specially first party, falls on Nintendo's like of approval first, before going through Sakurai. And that's something that started back with Corrin.
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>>559139023
Ballot shit, ballot shit, ballot shit

There is no ballot anymore. Sakurai doesnt just add old characters on his own
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>>559138943
I am fully convinced by now, that if a new Kirby reps was up to Sakurai, and I mean Nintendo comes to him and tells him "Add a Kirby rep, whoever you want", it would had been Mars.
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>>559081525
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Total pie in the sky but I'd love Adam Jensen to get into smash or Lara Croft
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>>559081525
It's fucking Master Chief.
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>>559138627
None of the characters were chosen to promote anything. They were chosen to be fun to use before being recognizable, see Terry's presentation.
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>>559139039
>>559139174
HAL has a say in what Kirby character gets in and they have a huge boner for chadana dee
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>>559139174
I think Marx is maybe more likely than Waddle Dee, but either is the most likely.

>>559139028
Never, lol. He doesn't even have a name. Waddle Dee with multiple hats is vastly superior. Same with Toad, Captain Toad would be such a waste (although more justified, as he has a game)
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>>559139293
>byleth wasnt chosen to shill
Fucking LOL
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>>559138627
Sakurai told us he had one or two characters in mind for after the first pass.
We know it's not Min Min and Pyra + Mythra, as they already had spirits, and neither were Steve or Sephiroth since it's Nintendo that went negotiating.
I'm not saying he is in but he could be Sakurai's pick for this pass.
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>>559139427
If we trust Sakurai,apparently yeah he wasn't chosen to shill anything.
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>>559139427
His words, not mine.
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>>559139692
>>559139681
>this character from an upcoming game isnt meant to shill
Fucking lmao
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an obscrue jrpg character and phoenix wright
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I cant wait for a new pokemon to make you incels cry
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>>559139293
Dude, you are leaving PR talk get to you. Sakurai is trow in front of those cameras, mostly without scrip, and then needs to come up with something to sell this characters. I will remind you, this is so inprop on his part, that he even dare to explain what FE was, to Smash players in the presentation of the 8th rep in the series.

Just look at Steve for instances. Sakurai basically admitted that even though he is a fan of the series, if it was entirely up to him, he wouldn't had considered him, due to technical challenges. But it was Minecraft's fucking Steve, and Nintendo insisted. Likewise, things like the negotiations for Joker, Hero and Sephiroth should had good easier for Nintendo, with their parents companies having things like P5R, DQ11S and FF7R to look forward to promote. Terry is indeed the big exception, but even then, it falls in the timeline of SNK doing serious PR moves to get back in the public eye, specially through crossovers, most of them based in Fatal Fury.
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>>559139437
He was obviously talking about Steve since Nintendo wasn't going to let 5 years of negotiation go to waste.
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>>559138843
>>559138627
how fucking delusional are you.
x character got in? Probably to shill their game. Idiot. Of course it's a shill no matter who you pick you absolute retard.
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>>559139809
game was already out. Sakurai loves FE. Get over it.
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Pretty sure Sakurai's comment on Nintendo choosing the DLC line-up is pretty much an excuse so people don't jump on him.

For a fact, he went ahead to go to ATLUS and SNK to get Joker and Terry himself. He wasn't pushed by anyone else; he really wanted these characters. Byleth was also his own bias working at the time; he played the game at least a year in advance to get an idea on how to create the character correctly.

His interviews after characters being released also show. My God the guy is supposed to get all the praise for including Sephiroth, Terry, Hero and a bunch of others, however the most controversial choices (Pyra/Mythra, Steve, Byleth) were completely out of his control.

I don't think he is completely lying but Nintendo didn't choose Terry nor Joker. I'd say they choose half of the pass while Sakurai chooses the other half.
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>>559140139
SNK is going brankrupt again. Stay mad.
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>>559139427
Byleth was chosen because Sakurai has a fucking boner for Fire Emblem.

Dunno how you guys still can't see that after eight characters in.
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>>559140275
IMO, characters chosen by Sakurai:

-Terry
-Joker
-Piranha Plant
-Sephiroth
-Hero

Chosen by Nintendo:
-Min Min
-Pyra/Mythra
-Byleth
-Steve
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>>559081525
What if... What if the bamco character is from Elden Ring?
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>>559140275
Don't forget to thank Sakurai. If it was not for him we would have gotten Noctis instead of Cloud.
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>>559140275
Very sure after two years, you can't just keep a "lie" like that, about you superiors, without consequences. He may had more influence in the selection than what he claims, but Nintendo won't allow him to "trow them under the buss" on official statements if he wasn't telling mostly the true.
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>family friendly
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>SRW's 30th anniversary is next month, series started out on Nintendo platforms and has released on every major Nintendo platform except the Wii-U
>Would be a Namco rep that's had zero representation in Smash so far (Be it through characters, taunts, music, or spirits)
>Would easily come close to Terry in terms of the number of songs they could include in Smash
>Unaffected by the "different language crowd cheers" thing
>Crossover are the norm for his own series to the point that were he or anyone else from the OG games were to show up in Smash it'd be brought up in the next game and his appearance would be canon to his original games
>His model kit comes out this weekend in Japan
>He's a cool fucking robot that can turn into a robot dragon and has wind magic

Why haven't you taken the Cybuster pill yet /v/?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cuf1qYi7QVo
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>>559081617
Yep. It'll be another shitty JRPG sword user with the same copy+paste moveset they all have from some niche/failing JRPG
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>>559140508
I would too if I could whip up a new $6 character in a week.
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>>559081990
Prime example of what's wrong with smash's roster.

Second FF7 shill, sword user with copy+paste moveset they all have. Seph should have been a boss for Cloud's classic mode.
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>>559140508
Nintendo chose byleth to shill
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>>559140604
Hero could go either way, to be honest. Hard to imagine Nintendo, who also publish DQ games in their consoles in the west, won't be all over the idea, specially with XI coming soon at the time. But at the end of day, they all are Japanese members of the videogame industry, so I doubt anyone had any objection to the idea of working with DQ IP, other than Square's music department.
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>>559140983
I know, look how risque the NES game was!
>>559135671
I bet there would be a considerable amount of people who'd look at her Melee trophy and Sakurai almost choosing her and be okay with it. Honestly, I think it would be a neat way to end the pass (if it had to end on a shill).
>>559140604
But... who chose Banjo?
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>>559083119
>559083119
>Doomguy
Western characters won't happen again unless it's fornight guy.
>Crash
Western characters won't happen again unless it's fornight guy.
>Eggman
Will never happen ever.
>Dante
Maybe, sword user, Japanese owned, down B counter
>Ninja gaiden guy
Possible because of being a sword user that can be given a downB counter
>Mk rep
Will literally never happen.
>Jimbo
Too obscure so he's a good choice
>Digimon
Not gonna happen because Pokemon
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>>559140604
Sakurai wouldnt choose a fucking atlus character or SNK china trash
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I want to see Dr. Freeman desu. I've got no clue what they actually intend to show though.
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>>559140275
>He thinks Sakurai didn't personally choose Pyra/Mythra after revealing himself a waifufag on stream
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>>559140508
If that was the case, he would just put whatever character he already liked. Nintendo had to send developer builds of the game, as soon as the DLC was approved (mid 2018) just so he could even figure out what Byleth was about. Hell, I don't even remember if Byleth face was even known when Ultimate was announce, there was a reason as to everyone assumed Edelgard was the main character back when the game was first shown.
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>>559141570
He did already you dumbshit.
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>>559140983
Joker had blood shooting out of the enemy in his All Out Attack in the game, they changed it to stars, censorship is easy
also Bayonetta's existance
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>>559140778
Far more likely that it's Chosen Undead. Remaster is on the switch and Sakurai and his team has had time to develop a DaS character, I don't think enough Elden Ring stuff was finalized by the time FP#2 was decided

Plus, Dark Souls is a time tested and proven success and a worthy chapter in the book of vidya history. Elden Ring so far looks like a spiritual successor at best
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>>559141615
>mr sakurai please play up the otaku sex appeal aspect xenoblade has literally nothing else of appeal
>ok I'll fit it into my script
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>>559097246
Stop trying to be smart. It was never a written rule that each pass can only have one company rep.
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>>559141615
>people still think Sakurai doesn't make the character choices.
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>>559141570
Did you ever have look up what Sakurai is even into to begin with? His collums, interviews, or just flat out watch the characters presentations? He was a P5 fanboy when the game came out, and has a hard on on SNK games, to the point he even rip off the Invite concept for the reveals from them, and he admits as much!
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>>559141570
>SNK
>China
Get with the times, SNK is one with Allah now
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>>559141668
Nintendo chose those because they mistakenly thought that they were iconic. Because a room of suits dont know what characters are actually iconic.
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>>559141682
>just blood
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>>559141831
Neither of those are true and his personal taste doesnt influence what NINTENDO choses for the roster
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>>559141860
https://twitter.com/sora_sakurai/status/1059958604818657282?lang=en

read the second sentence of this tweet. SAKURAI makes the final character decisions/choices.
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>>559128685
Snake
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>>559140275
Sakurai's statement that Nintendo decided all the characters is already wrong, technically. Or at least it's not as specific as we believe.
Ninjara was considered but Sakurai decided to change due to the Arms developers' request. Rex couldn't be added so Sakurai went with Pyra instead. We also know Sakurai wanted to add plenty of other characters during DLC season such as Heihachi but he couldn't. He also chose Joker before any other Atlus character if what they said is real.
We probably will never know the process of DLC, but using Smash 4 as a reference, the most likely scenario is Nintendo giving more Manpower to Sakurai, so he dors and adds whatever he wants, and the compromise is he adds a few characters chosen by Nintendo.
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>>559142060
After Nintendo choses the characters. Aka Sakurai bows his head like a good little bitch
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>>559141997
By that logic, anyone with a sword in Smash isn't family friendly
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Every DLC character will be cut. None of them belong in Smash
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>>559142145
NIntendo could create a laundry list of character on three pages, 8pt sized font, .1 line spacing, and if Shitkurai doesn't like nor want ANY of those characters they WILL NOT get in.
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>>559117206
fuck you
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>>559141438
>But... who chose Banjo?
Definitely Nintendo.
However, for some reason, Nintendo waited until Summer 2018 to negotiate for him (see January 2020 interview about Banjo's inclusion).
You'd think they'd start working for him earlier since he was highly requested, but nah, they prefered working on the Square characters and Steve before a fan favorite.
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>>559142365
Nintendo picked the current dlc lineup so they did get in
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>>559135107
Since we know Sabi is a half-truthed fraud fed with real stuff, who was this fella?
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>>559141997
Just don't have him ohko other fighters lol.
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>>559142120
Pretty sure he went with Joker because he realised his design is way more markettable than most of the Persona/SMT protags, and how Atlus love whoring out Joker for collabs on gachashit and more
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>>559142016
You have any reading comprehension? The reply was towards "Sakurai wouldnt choose a fucking atlus character or SNK china trash". Which for anyone who ever knows the basic about Sakurai, is so wrong of a statement, that I can't even begin. For what little matters, I am in the camp "Nintendo choices first, then Sakurai approves later", but the statement of "Sakurai won't choice these characters on his own", is stupid.
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>>559121492
Made for horsecock
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>>559142420
>fan favorite
>banjo
Lmao fucking what?
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>>559081990
>Extremely cringe deviant-art tier character.
Says alot about Smashfags tastes.
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>>559142640
Sakurai stated Banjo scored high in the ballot, so he was objectively a fan favorite.
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>>559142583
Sakurai wouldnt chose those characters because they're not smash worthy. They're ubpopular garbage
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>>559081525
I'd be really happy with either of those 5.
But that just ensures me none of them have a shot.
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>>559083220
I actually main Mii Brawler, so thanks m8
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>>559142640
>character people begged for since Melee
>not a fan favorate
Mental health gay
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Scrimblo Bimblo is in, screencap this.
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>>559140275
That's why I still believe in Porky's chances. Nothing says Sakurai cannot have his personal pick in one of the slots.
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>>559142727
Things that never happened. Also, the ballot was flooded for literal months by smashboards reseting their IPs for the same handful of 10 or so reddit characters
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>>559141663
People assumed that because they were retarded waifufags, just like Cinderacefags.
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Why do people want Doom Slayer and Ryu in Smash??? They don’t even seem they would be very interesting characters to be honest.
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>>559140275
What controversy? Plenty of people like Steve Pyra/Mythra, and Byleth. The only ones who care are manchildren who unironically talk about legacy and prestige in their children's party game.
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>>559142479
I fully admit this statement isn't fully accurate, because every current Persona main character has replaced the previous one as the face of the series. But with that in mind, Joker is currently the closest thing Atlus has to their "Cloud", with Persona being their most popular IP worldwide (whatever we liked or not), and Joker being probably not only the most popular main character at the time, even before the Smash reveal, but also the most easy to market, not only for his design, but for having a "Name" alone.

So yeah, even without bias on Sakurai's part, Joker was an obivous choice marketing wise. The only other options were far more Niche, being Jack Frost and Demifiend, which again, hardcore fans my love, but mainstream market is all about Persona.
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>>559142871
I've never met a person who knew what banjo was so how the fuck were people begging for him? Nobody bought the Banjo games
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>>559081525
Shantae.
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>>559117836

>Sony
>Naughty Dog

Neither od em have any say about Crash, he's been owned by Activision for at least the last 15+ years
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>>559143023
>average selling jrpg
>comparable to cloud strife
Cut your fucking throat, thanks
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>>559141570
SNK is Halal
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>>559139304
>HAL has a say in what Kirby character gets in
I kinda doubt that, didn't Sakurai state they have nothing to do with Smash anymore?
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>>559142898
>[Sakurai] notes that Banjo and Kazooie were "incredibly requested" by western fans; "even after King K. Rool and Ridley, requests were still coming in", he says. Series developer Rare was sold to Microsoft in the early 2000s, and with Microsoft being a rival to Nintendo in the console market, Sakurai notes that "it's usually thought that you shouldn't help our your rivals".

https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2019/06/sakurai_says_getting_banjo-kazooie_in_smash_bros_ultimate_came_quite_easily

That's not hard to search.
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>>559116923
Feeny and Phones
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I think people are making big assumptions on what characters corporate Nintendo would or wouldn't pick.
There's no reason to think Sakurai is lying and personally chose characters like Joker and Terry. Nintendo wouldn't pick characters simply to shill something when there are other potential factors, as simple as trying butter up to 3rd party devs.
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>>559142390
Dilate, Majorafag.
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>>559142920
How many Doom Games and Ninja Gaiden Games have you actually played? The easiest one to imprement is Ryu, being a Hack and Slash character, he has plenty of weapons, combos and special powers to choice from. No special gimmick, sure, but gimmicks don't make for a fun character all the time.

As for Doom guy, he is somehow harder to implement, specially without the Eternal Moveset (according to Sakurai, he didn't had access to FFVII Remake during Sephiroth's development, so we can assume the same for Eternal), but the mere notion to implement a fully FPS character in Smash already makes for some interesting ideas, with their different weapons, and how to implement the melee options. Same goes for Chief, while we are at it.
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I want someone from Resident Evil

There are no playable characters from a horror game.
We got representation for action games, racing games, stealth games, platformers, jrpgs, sci fi, fantasy, fighting games.
I guess there's castlevania, that's got some horror to it.

But regardless, I'm in such a Resident Evil mood. Like it or hate it, you can't deny RE is a big and iconic franchise, that is currently super relevant.

If they were gonna put RE in smash it'd be now, since capcom is celebrating it's 25th anniversary.

I'd like to see Jill/Leon/Chris/Claire as one character, alt costumes. But Nemesis would probably have the best potential for a move set.
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>>559143215
HAL has ownership of the Kirby IP
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>>559143136
I said closest thing. Is the same for Tales Of fans wit Lloid/Yuri, and even FE with Lucina as of late. Is as simple as to ask "Which character comes to mind, when you mention this franchises, even when each entry has a new character". Cloud may be on his own league, but it is the same principle.
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>>559143305
>smashboards decides whats popular and not
No?
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>>559138943
BWD has used both a spear and an umbrella, and they could give him other things in Smash anyways, it's not new for Smash to give characters moves they don't have in their own games.
>>559139412
>Never, lol. He doesn't even have a name.
His name is Bandana Waddle Dee.
>inb4 that's not a real name
We have Yoshi the Yoshi and Pikachu the Pikachu in Smash, BWD is pretty much the same.
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Still a little seething even now that Joker brought absolutely nothing mainline SMT with him. I can accept him being chosen because Persona is more marketable, but to have nothing for the mainline games that have mostly stuck with Nintendo and pioneered the "creature collect" RPG's is fucking blasphemy.
Could have squeezed in a music track or Jack Frost Mii, bunch of faggots.
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>>559143996
What makes you think Atlus cares about anything that isnt whatever the current cashcow is?
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I like how the usual Discord spammers arn't here anymore, now that E3 is very soon, and people are actualy talking
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>>559143215
HAL has nothing to do with Smash, but they have everything to do with Kirby, and Sakurai does take input from the owners of the characters that get in (Min Min got in because the ARMS guy wanted her in)
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>>559143595
Even with 2016 I think you could make a really potent Doomguy moveset. I'm not really sure what Eternal specific things you'd really need to consider putting into his moveset aside from maybe the Crucible (which is such a silly thing to include for a shooter guy I don't even think it should be a part of his moveset in the first place) or the Meathook.

He moves fast, he punches and saws, and he has a variety of guns with different properties, and he probably has dogshit recovery. All you need.
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>>559143882
They do though, that's why Banjo is in Smash.
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>>559143996
>SMT
You mean that Persona spin-off?
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>>559142640
Next you’re gonna tell me people on the internet thought Ridley always had a chance
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Hopefully it will someone from a game I like since none the previous DLC have done it yet.
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>>559144235
Banjo is in because Smashboards copy pasted ballot votes. This is why it's been straight up said by modern Rare that Banjo wouldnt sell
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>>559081617
Pretty much. There wasn't a single FP character so far that made me say "HOLY SHIT!" But Sephiroth is neat I guess.
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>>559143996
Speaking as that one fan who expend two years ranting about the lack of FF PNGs in the game, specially Cloud's, I will say: It's not over until it's over. I already got everything I wanted, so I don't care. I just hope you don't mind the SMT representation coming from pure shill
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>>559143625
Uhhh, they already got in in a Spirit event.
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>>559144672
>i got everything I wantes
LOL nobody says this unless they got nothing
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>>559144775
I guess the hero characters did yeah, not Nemesis though
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Either Porky is playable or they intend on bringing him back as a boss in another mode.
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>>559094941
Not a big DQ guy, but I'm in the same boat with the first two. Simon and MegaMan blew me away. I doubt anything that gets in now will excite me like those two. But here's hoping.
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>>559144957
Or maybe he just won't be in this game at all man, have you considered that maybe he's not that important of a character?
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>>559144793
I know I can't proved, but I expend ten years asking for nothing but Ridley, and then two secretly hoping for a reveal trailer to open with either One Winged Angel or Alrest. So yeah, is not like there aren't more characters I would want to see, but I fully don't feel like asking for anything else. The Belmonst were also Kino, even if at the time I wouldn't had believe it without the leaks
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last characters are Barack Obama and the Marlboro Man
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>>559143758
>>559144194
I believe HAL actually has partial ownership of Kirby, along with Nintendo. If for some reason Nintendo wants to make a Kirby game on their own terms, they most likely can. That seems to be why Epic Yarn happened, HAL had very little to do with that game, if anything.
If Nintendo was who approved the Kirby content in Smash, HAL might not have a say in this at all.
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>>559145306
Wheres your proof
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>>559145223
He was a boss in Brawl and from a franchise Sakurai loves very much, as well as one of the few Earthbound Trophies in Smash 4. He is important, even more so than most of the spirits in Ultimate.
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>>559144320
Nigger
>>559143996
Yeah, im still a bit mad. Worst part is that he just uses his shitty stand instead of using multiple demons.
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>>559081990
Honestly just waiting on Reimu or Saber to get in.

I already got Pyra who was my second most wanted so I’m happy enough.
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>>559144672
I'd be fine with a SMT rep even for promotional purposes, I just don't expect it to happen. It's the perfect time too since SMTV is likely at E3 and could really use the promotion to people who'd otherwise look over it, but Nintendo would probably rather shill for Pokemon or a FE remake or something.
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>>559144957
3 playable Mother/Earthbound characters is a long shot. It's such a background franchise. I know the theories but why would they drop hints for something so few people care about? They didn't drop hints for far more important characters, so the conspiracy that no spirit means anything is such a stretch.
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>>559145559
>If for some reason Nintendo wants to make a Kirby game on their own terms, they most likely can.
No they can't. HAL has literal ownership of the IP nothing can happen without their approval
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>>559145223
If he never was a boss, never a trophy, or forgotten in Sm4sh, sure. But as it stands, they literally brought all the characters that had a role in the Smash series except Porky and the Porky statue. Which is why people expect him and not Giygas who never appeared.
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>>559137384
There will never be another Geno.
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They will reveal that BotW2 is the new fighter. The entire game. When you choose it in the character select screen, it launches the title screen.
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>>559145779
They literally did so twice.
Once with Three Houses having no spirit event, leading to it getting a character six months later, and another time with FFVII getting no spirits, with leaks implying they held back on FFVII content on purpose.
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>>559144235
>They do though
So why did Krystal and Geno got BTFO then?
their thread circlejerks has been going for almost a decade now
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>>559145779
>They didn't drop hints for far more important characters
Unironically they dropped hints for every character in the second pass.
Arms and XC2 were said to be planned in the base game to get representatives if not for poor timing.
Banjo was added thanks to Minecraft, in fact we know Minecraft has been negotiated for years before Banjo and eventually was added.
Sephiroth finally brought the missing content from Final Fantasy.
If anything that pass helps Porky's case.
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>>559140275
It's easy to see the statement as a half-truth. Sakurai would have to go to Nintendo higher ups for approval of any character he was interested in, so in essence all the DLC characters were selected by Nintendo.
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>>559146257
>Sakurai would have to go to Nintendo higher ups for approval of any character he was interested in
Why? Sakurai didn't need any approval for the base game's roster, and probably has enough of Nintendo's trust to make decisions by himself, especially when he has the final word.
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>>559142447
I can answer that: That guy, Santiago, was a "partial" NoA ambassador who was planning to make a cookbook.

He was also the source of Nazyrus during the whole FP5 deconfirmings when he mentioned that Bandai Namco was deconfirmed.
But Sabi wanted to toy with KOS-MOS speculation a bit longer, so Sabi cut up connection with Naz and covered the whole thing up. Naz was super pissed and managed to pull the NoA guy away from Sabi.
Sabi also abused his credibility to "verify" himself as a legit (fraud) insider.

That said, the Isaac rumor is still worth noting, but its definitely pointless as long no new Golden Sun is made prior SSB6. So you're gonna have to support harder.

(sorry had to edit something)
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>>559137384
>Character is being discussed
>It's not Crash or Master Chief
>IT'S GENO 2
My God, discord trannies, fuck off with your Geno 2 argument.
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>>559145559
Both HAL and Nintendo own equal share in the joint venture Warpstar, Inc., which was made to autonomously handle the Kirby franchise license, similar to The Pokémon Company.
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>>559146583
Because he's working with a company's IPs? What the fuck do you mean he doesnt need approval? He needs approval for literally every little step of the game
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>>559146249
>Arms and XC2 were said to be planned in the base game to get representatives if not for poor timing.
Not a hint. Just quelling fans who noticed their absence. Working them in later is incidental. But granted they did announce an Arms rep would get in later.
>Banjo was added thanks to Minecraft, in fact we know Minecraft has been negotiated for years before Banjo and eventually was added.
Not a hint. You weren't meant to pick up on Steve because of Banjo, that's just following a chain of logic and background negotiations that happened.
>Sephiroth finally brought the missing content from Final Fantasy.
Debatable if it's a hint, just logically making a showing of the content all at once. Prove Sakurai wanted you to guess about Sephiroth form it and I'll eat my words.
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>>559081525
No matter who gets revealed, they will not be as good as Pyra and Mythra.
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>>559145950
I love how genofags got banned from smashboards so theres literally no way the character ever gets any kind of serious fan demand again LOL
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>>559146249
Damn we suck at predicting all things considered when we had so many clues lol
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>>559145793
HAL and Nintendo actually both own the same amount of the Kirby IP, HAL probably takes priority for things like Smash since they're the ones who develop the games, and we know Sakurai listens to the developers of the games.
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>>559146249
So, if Porky really is the last character with any form of hint... Then we have a character that has nothing at all going for him.

The guy that has been saying Sephiroth/Rex/Porky for months might have been onto something after all. But we are still left with a blank spot.

Probably that mysterious character will be shown at E3.
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I want Nightmare from Soul Calibur. We aren’t getting Nightmare from Soul Calibur.
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>>559146249
>Sephiroth finally brought the missing content from Final Fantasy.
It's even more obvious when you see that they finally added Cloud's fighter spirit.
Seems that Square really was the hard to work with company.
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>>559146249
who has any indication besides Porky from ingame stuff?
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>>559147706
Luigi's Mansion 3.
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Wouldn't Porky not be feasible due to his mech being Ridley sized?
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>>559147337
Or maybe that last character with no "hint" is proof there never was supposed to be any system of "hints."
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>>559147857
Canonically it's pretty small. Slightly smaller than Bowser.
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>>559147916
That's already wrong since we had hints up until now.
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>>559147857
Are we really going back to the "Too big" arguments?
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>>559147916
They probably didn't intend on showing us hints, but since all the characters in the second pass, hell even some in the first one, did have clues towards their inclusion, it does show us that Nintendo and Sakurai don't care that much about hiding who might potentially be coming next.
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Dad works at Nintendo, we're getting Porky and Tabuu
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>>559147916
Byleth was a no brainer after the lack of spirit event, same with a FFVII character after Hero's inclusion.

People's personal feelings refusing to admit that means jackshit.
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>>559148190
His spirit is missing since the beginning. But I seriously can't imagine they've been working on Porky since the start. How did he last til the end of FP2 to come out? If it's intentional, you'd think he was a character with some degree of hype, but he has none. If it was unintentional, I'd suspect technical difficulties. But how hard could it be to put him in?
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>>559148190
>Sakurai briefly meantioned Final Fantasy during Steve's presentation, making some random comparasion to FFV's Geomancer job
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>>559148319
Byleth was a no-brainer for the second pass.
Nobody was predicting Byleth shooting the first pass in the foot.
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>>559148434
Porky was meant to be a bonus character finishing the DLC, however Nintendo asked for a second pass. Sakurai added the five characters Nintendo wanted, and since he had extra time, decided to give Porky a stage and extra spirits.
One of the possible scenarios.
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>>559110513
Can't rip and tear in Smash tho....
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>>559148434
They probably didn't "work" on him from the start, but they possibly wanted him in as DLC at some point. However plans can change and he might have been scrapped. But that wouldn't explain all the spirits related to him mysteriously missing.
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>>559148758
I guess that's a possibility. Nintendo chosen reps bumping in line seems plausible.
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Whoever it is, it won't be who I want.
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>>559148597
Still, after Byleth, things like ARMS and Xenoblade should had been obvious, and to some extend ARMs was, yet after two new Nintendo games, circa 2017/2018 (2018 being the original plan for TH release), got in, then everyone would jump at the trow of anyone suggesting Xenoblade coming next. I know, because I was suggesting Xenoblade coming next, and endured all the hate around here. Granted, having Rex as out winning horse didn't help our case with everyone trowing the Mii Costume at us, but there were some few suggesting Pyra/Mythra on their own, and they just as much hate.
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>>559148758
This would explain why the second pass has six characters instead of five. Nice.
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>>559148760
Imagine poor Mario in the announcement trailer.



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