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What the fuck happened to this game???
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>>554372558
china happened.
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>>554372558
Nothing
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Soul happened
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calling it now, the game to break the "valve can't count to three" rule will be dota 3 and it'll probably suck ass
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>>554372558
game was always dog shit LMFAO only faggots and russians played it
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>>554372558
No marketing and dota streamers/players are in their own litte bubble and don't interact with anything else.
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>>554375058
dumb tf2 poster
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>>554372558
Valve doesn't market it (and no, making a Netflix "anime" doesn't count), and the pandemic stopped The International.
It doesn't have any unique gameplay problems that don't apply to every other MOBA. The idea that LoL is more entry-level is a joke considering it has just as many heroes and items you have to memorize, it just has a lower skill ceiling. Likewise people constantly complain about Riot's balance changes, anyone saying the recent patches are the problem with Dota 2 are lying to you and just projecting their personal grievances.
Like with any multiplayer game people inevitably get bored and move onto something else, it takes marketing to rope in new players. If anything Dota 2 has lasted a really long time. It will just slowly dwindle in players until it's down to just the hardcore players, which is how DotA was before Dota 2. But that will in turn make the game less welcoming for new players, because hardcore MOBA players are nasty.
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>>554375058
Dota 3 will never happen, it's even less likely than TF3
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>>554375921
>and no, making a Netflix "anime" doesn't count
Why not? They've never really done it until now but that plus the new player experience was absolutely a marketing push.
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>>554375058
They have no reason to make Dota 3. It would needlessly split up and piss off the playerbase, with no actual benefit. The available technology would be the same so there's no gameplay value.
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>>554375921
>The idea that LoL is more entry-level is a joke considering it has just as many heroes and items you have to memorize, it just has a lower skill ceiling.
That's not really true, LoL has a much lower skill floor since the interactions mean less and there's only one team comp and lane strategy in the game. Everything about LoL is more intuitive as a way to get new players into it.
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>>554376021
Marketing is pumping out ads and bribing Twitch streamers. Valve does none of the former and very little of the latter.
A Netflix show that is on the front page of Steam for one day and then is quickly forgotten doesn't do much. To clarify, I didn't hate it, but it didn't have much of an impact.
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>>554376186
You still have to spend a bunch of time looking up and memorizing abilities, items, and builds. There may be less overall but you still have to make that time investment. It's not like Among Us or Fall Guys where you can just pick up and play it and have no issues.
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>>554376215
>Marketing is pumping out ads and bribing Twitch streamers.
That's one way of marketing. Making tie-in shows is another way of marketing. LoL does the same thing with stuff like KDA, that all absolutely falls under marketing.
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>>554376414
>You still have to spend a bunch of time looking up and memorizing abilities, items, and builds.
Yes but LoL is still easier to get into. I don't understand what you aren't getting here. Neither is particularly easy, but LoL is much more so.
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>>554375921
This is pretty well said, other than league's skill ceiling, which you are mistaking for skill floor.

It's not dying yet, but it's basically in the retention phase and will remain that way until it becomes a melee situation or valve does a dota reborn reborn.
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>>554375058
>>554376069
I can think of one reason to make a DotA3, but it will still never happen. Buy the rights to HoN and integrate it into dota2, make it a huge event and just call the game DotA3.
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>>554376635
Icefrog is already plans to implement some of his HoN designs into dota 2, there's been multiple leaks that show HoN characters in the files.

The only reason they're reaching into the HoN bargain bin is because that muzzie icefrog is currently working on another game at valve and they need easy, already tested, heroes to put into the game.
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>>554372558
Should have introduced surrender ages ago, shit is for unemployed people who can waste their time being stuck with esl tards raging at each other for 40+ minutes
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>>554376969
>there's been multiple leaks that show HoN characters in the files.
Source?
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>>554376635
God I miss HoN. Everything about that game was so crisp.
>last hit sound
>deny sound
>the "tink" of hitting a tower
>smooth continuous DoT damage instead of ticks every 1 second
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>>554377083
https://afkgaming.com/articles/dota2/News/4912-all-we-know-about-potential-new-hero-puppet-master

I can't be bothered to find the other two characters whose strings they found in the files
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>>554377083
https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/ig5paz/datamine_19_possible_new_heroes_and_their/
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Surprised DotA is even still alive, zoomers don’t have the patience or willingness to commit to a half hour long game
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>>554372558
Tried to hard to get the LoL audience.
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The game is slow, past 15 minutes is just mindlessly farming until theres a team fight and then youre dead for 50+ seconds, and you either win or lose

Each game takes 40+ minutes to beat which is nothing but an unfun slog, its why everyone just plays Turbo
Plus the shitty colours and art style for everything and the open market makes people not want to play or even spend money on the game outside of TI events


League is just better in every way, faster more active gameplay, brighter colours, better designs, better coomer material, Dota just cant compete
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DAWNBREAKER SEX
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It’s always been an ugly game in an uncanny valley sort of way. Just like Warcraft 3 enough to resemble old dots but with this weird and unsettling art. It’s always a bit off / too dark. I can’t be the only one who notices this.

That alone probably cost it billions of dollars when compared to hyper childish and bright dota rip off league. Say what you will their art direction is WAY better
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>>554379957
>Say what you will their art direction is WAY better
Opinion
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>>554381618
Their art direction is far easier to consume for a general market. Their waifus are husbandos are committee-made, tailored to elicit positive responses from focus-testing groups to ensure maximum appeal. DotA heroes are just a bunch of random bullshit using random models from warcraft.
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>>554372558
china and trannys
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>>554382443
Opinion
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ur game is dead dotards
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>game does not allow anything except being a meta slave
>game is completely unintuitive in every way and does not teach you the meta
>anything that would teach you the meta is in chinese
>there have been 50 different metas across a decade
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lack of rule 34 killed the community
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>>554372558
7.0
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>>554372803
I played it in the beta and thought it was kind of fun but overly complex. I've tried coming back to it a few times but the complexity hasn't improved and every game was just a Russian spamming and quitting.
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>>554385735
>>554372558
also this
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>>554379957
I thought the characters were visually fine but the DotA map is very ugly. However the characters lack any charm that games like League or HotS have.

>>554385848
Also it didn't feel very balanced.
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how is it going these days? I stopped playing back when they replaced the side shop with those towers you have to capture or whatever but im bored as fuck these days
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You've made this thread every day for the past three days.
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>>554372558
>FORCED 50% WINRATE
>ELO HELL
>NO REGION LOCK
>CRAZY IMBALANCED HEROES
>PAY TO WIN
>NO FORFEIT
>BOUNTY RUNES
>7.00
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>>554386003
this is the real answer, post-ti4 gave birth to the worst meta: axe/troll/jugg/sniper
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>>554382443
i mean this is true to an extent, but uhhh dota has better gameplay
and isn't that what really matters?
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>>554387310
More completely=/= better, anon.
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>>554387016
>FORCED 50% WINRATE
my winrate is not 50%
>ELO HELL
git gud
>NO REGION LOCK
i'll give you this one. peruvians should be forced to play only with other peruvians
>CRAZY IMBALANCED HEROES
really? why not just pick the hero you think is op then? unless you're talking about techies, but thats not 'imbalanced', just 'annoying'
>PAY TO WIN
what?
>NO FORFEIT
who cares
>BOUNTY RUNES
bounty runes what? they're a fine mechanic.
>7.00
at least put something interesting here that I can respond to. like if you put ""outposts" or "neutral items" we could at least talk. but "7.00" is literally hundreds of gameplay changes, major and minor, and I can't discern which ones specifically you take issue with.
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>>554387474
More complexity doesn't mean not better either. The complexity as a concept isn't why the game is better, it's because the complexity that's there is good and adds to the game.
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>>554387171
I mean, that sounds more interesting than the tusk/undying nonesense that was going on.
I stopped watching for some time after TI3 and probably missed the meta you speak of when I started again.
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Why play this shit when LoL exists?
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>>554372558
i never understood mobas. autistically playing the same map for thousands for hours like that. being good just takes game knowledge and proper positioning. fucking mouthbreather thirdies still struggling in 4k lmao. i thought dota 2 was piss fucking ez. i can't imagine how ridiculous something like lol is.
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>lol
>TWO cunnies

>dead game doturd
>zero cunny other than fanart

Yep, wonder why this game is dying
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>>554372558
My new player experience.

>tutorial sucks
>new player queue is only bots
>normal matchmaking gives me player with 1000+ games
>naming roles pos1-5 is super retarded
>items fucking suck dick, unintuitive, cant tell what makes you stronger and what scales with what, shop categories are retarded, items with 5s cc on it seem OP as shit
>casters suck dick and dont even get stronger with new items
>game is slow as fuck
>90% of the players are thirdies
>game pauses when someone disconnects so I have to wait for some retarded thirdie to reconnect every game
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>>554388743
Because LoL is a shitty dumbed down knockoff for normalfags and casuals
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>>554389997
>shitty dumbed down knockoff is better and superior than the original
damn...
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>>554377209
This article is over a year old fuck off >>554377363
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>>554390287
Your opinions are not facts
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>>554389081
shota voker
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>>554376635
GREAT COOMFLUENCE!!!
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>>554389960
>casters suck dick and dont even get stronger with new items
retard
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>>554372558
Time happened
Also when you have a base thats bigger faggots than meleefags, people will just get sick of em and leave.
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>>554372558
valve pandering redditors
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Everything during and after 7.00 ruined the game. Talents, outposts, shrines, lvl 30 and ESPECIALLY neutral items are all stupid bullshit that should have never been added.
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>>554391107
>>554391347
Pretty much these.
Valve killed the game with stupid updates. Almost every update they did last 2 - 3 years is complete garbage. I wonder if icefrog is still there. The game has become an abomination of Frankenstein with talents, aghanim spells, aghanim shards etc. It wanted to do everything so it had become nothing at the end.

As it is now only autists play it. The game should be sent to outer space as a warning to aliens who would want to visit us so they see it and run away not to catch the autism.
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>>554391347
>>554392825
I never undestood this opinion, it had a clusterfuck period around 7.00 and shortly after but where it's at now is great. Neutrals add a lot to the game
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>>554393017
$50 that idiot doesnt play dota anymore, but reads every single new patch notes
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DJComps needs to shit out more porn, still hsve nothing for the AM persona
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dota entry barrier is stupidly high for mobas, no one start playing dota 2 by themselves, they either played dota 1 or some friend forced them to learn it.
>new player wants to play moba
>hops into dota
>go agaisnt some bullshit lane such as undying, ezalor and batrider, etc
>gets tower dived into the fountain
>ends 0/20, all russians and mexicans start swearing at him
>uninstall
lol you just go to your lane, lane for 20 minutes with no major disturbances and just ff at 20 or something. being bad on dota is pure suffering
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>>554372558
Discouraging for returning players to get back into it because of all the massive changes they did. Like why the fuck are neutral creeps dropping items and why the fuck are there leveling perks now
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>>554393017
Do you understand why CS:GO is still popular? Cos it doesn’t fucking change much. People still play Dust 2. Cos it is fun. Dota used to be fun and now it is not. Simple as that. Muh updates are reddit meme. Muh balance is also. I am telling you if every person working in valve quit (except the server guys) 3 years ago, the game would have much more players now.
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>>554393982
i love when indians lose because they always go to the forums right after start cursing at valve, calling them volvo and shit saying dead game over and over. its fucking great
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>>554394014
>Muh balance is also.
Muh Balance was one of the biggest things DOTAfags kept shitting over Leaguefags for tho
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>>554393982
Friends tried to make me play lel, I played one game of dota and never looked back. I learned solo as well lmao
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>>554372558
dota is fun if youre winning and torture if youre losing. I just want to have fun with my friends but the extreme tryhard chinese 5 stack we get matched against every game ruins it.
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>>554394127
>DOTAfags
There’s your problem. You know who they are? They are the niggers moving to white neighborhood, making the place a hellhole and scare away the whities and then complain.
These fags on /v/ and reddit complained about stupid shit while majority was enjoying the game. Then they made stupid changes and people left. Now fags are screeching that game is ded because x or y not realizing it is because of them and they will destroy any game who doesn’t have a sensible bunch of designers.
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>>554394965
dazzle says take your meds
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>>554393017
>>554393124
The game is fucking awful now.
Post mmr shitters.
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>>554385735

I havent played dota in a decade but all my friends who did dropped it around 3 years ago (according to your sharts, thats around the time 7.00 kicked in). What exactly did this update do that made everyone so angry?

I tried playing on a friends house a few months ago and was flabbergasted how there are buildings to teleport in the middle of the jungle now, it looked so stupid.
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>>554395138
esports pandering, they want the lol audience with deathball meta and zero other strategies
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>>554395290
>deathball meta

I have no idea what these words mean, are you talking about the snowball from that walrus hero?
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>>554395138
>What exactly did this update do that made everyone so angry
The updates shortly beforehand hard forced a brawl meta. 7.0 reinforced that forced meta.
They repeatedly tried to make support more fun to play by making wards and tp's cost less gold, as well as increase the passive gold you get.
Instead this led to shit where supports would come to lane with 600 gold of regen items and just spam spells like it's fucking league of legends or something.
It also completely through balance out of the window for a couple of months while they balanced the talents. For a while you had heroes like Lina having a -30 second respawn talent. So she would build bloodstone and never be dead for more than 15 seconds. On top of that they had a massive power creep where every hero became substantially more powerful every patch, and there's so much free gold on the map that people were getting 6 slotted at 30 minutes.
They tried to address the free gold shit by doing things like making jungle camps spawn every two minutes instead of one minute, but it just led to games being unenjoyable to play.
tldr: They let reddit balance the game, and those fucking retards think they're saints for playing 5 position support because they're fucking beta.
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>>554393017
how can anyone defend neutrals? they should at least be symmetrical nothing is worse than seeing their carry with the leveler while youre stuck with stormcrafter
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>>554372558
>What the fuck happened to this game???
Nothing, it's getting better and better.
Stop playing with randoms, play with friends.
t. fag who plays since october 2012
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>>554395892
I thought they were symmetrical
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>>554372558
Autistic russians upgraded their computers and started playing fun games?
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>>554372558
i don't know about you man, but this last patch in particular has been really fun
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Anyone remember that custom map for wc3 where it's like dota but with battleships?
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>>554399518
fuck off blizzdrone
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>>554372558
People started realizing that babysitting chinks/russkies/peruvians was a horrible experience.
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>>554376526
You also have to buy all your champions though. LoL is easier to get into because more people play it so you’re more likely to find a group of people to play with. Playing Moba’s alone is torture
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>>554395514
Deathball is teampushing at 12 minutes a and ending the game at 20
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>>554372558
Game is better than ever.
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>>554386525
Dota is the kind of game were every hero isolated sounds broken as hell, but since (almost) everything is decently strong it achieves some sort of balance.
Thing is, when you're starting out you have no idea what the limits and weaknesses of certain heroes are so they just seem broken.
Like new players encountering a Riki before they have learned what detection is, bristle without knowing what break is or pretty much any snowball hero which require you to know how to deal with them.
There's a fair share of heroes which completely breaks the game if they're left alone, but if you know what you need to do against them then they're completely beatable.
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>>554376069
>Let's buy up this irrelevant competitor and shake up our entire game in the process
Retard.
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>>554403623
meant for >>554376635
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autism
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League was so good they tried to copy it and alienated their own playerbase. Now nobody but russians play it. I myself moved on to league in january after over 3k hours. Dota just isn't good anymore and it hasn't been for half a decade.
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>>554376571
>This is pretty well said, other than league's skill ceiling, which you are mistaking for skill floor.
Not who you replied to, but isn't every item in LoL a passive item, i.e. no active abilities? That alone means Dota has a much higher skill ceiling, as you can have 4-6 active skills + 7 items with active ability meaning you in total run around with about 12 active skills at all times.
Heroes like invoker even have 10 base abilities for a potential 17 different active abilities you need to juggle in a fight.
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>>554403403
Ironically, the fact that you need to unlock champions over time helps with the new player experience. They're not faced with a multitude of different choices, they get a few good "noob" alternatives unlocked, and can then get whatever they think look cool and focus on that champion for a while. As they do so, they'll get the resources to unlock another one they thought looked cool, and repeat. This eases the player into the game by taking away the necessity of exploring ALL the available options at once. I believe dota has had something similar at some point, with a limited hero pool for beginners, but I don't know if it's still in the game.
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>>554379957
I'm not a fan of all the dota designs, especially this new disney/dreamworks direction they've gone lately with Snapfire/Mars/Hoodwink/Pango, but League is just uninspired anime girls and other shit with completely clashing artstyles. It's not coherent at all which gives it the mobile game feel.
At least dota is somewhat (barely) coherent in that they for the most part hasn't fully given in to straight up meme skins and sci-fi characters.
Doesn't LoL have a champ which is just a straight up DJ?
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>>554386743
It's fine honestly, got a new patch 2-3 weeks ago so the meta isn't set yet. What heroes did you usually play?
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>>554403684
How is implementing amazing heroes and a few item designs retarded? Obviously they have to slightly change up the HoN heroes to fit into dota2 due to differences like what >>554377176
said about dots behaving differently in the games, and that's due to having abilities like Sticky Napalm in it.
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I stopped playing because it took 45 minutes to find a game in Australia and I was muted all the time, also every game had one retard who thought he knew everything because he watched some stream. I was hoping Dota 1 would make a comeback with reforged but blizzard fucked that up
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>>554404553
Hon heroes only work in their own game engine
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>>554404908
? You're saying a hero like Pandamonium couldn't be brought into dota2?
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>>554404908
Then again... HoN's game engine is way the fuck better anyways than Source 2 for a dota game.
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>>554396519
The items drop from the same pool and every game has mirrored items on both sides, but one team is always going to get better items for their draft as a result of RNG.
Best example is clumsy net, which is removed now, but it was essentially a poor mans atos. Decent item on most heroes, but absolutely broken on Skywrath Mage so if the enemy had a SW and got the net then he just got a huge powerspike completely for free.
I think the solution should have been that both teams draft and/or ban items which can drop globally. This way you could at least avoid the most broken combos, though the pre-game phase would need to be a little longer which is an issue.
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bros why is dawnbreaker literally useless
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>>554405091
No, item drop is not the same for both teams. I don't know about drafting items, but I like the idea of banning items. I.e. being able to ban an illusionist cape against phantom lancer would be nice.
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>>554405003
Certainly not madman or electrician or zephyr
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>>554372558
You woulda thought that 7.00 killed dota but I think it only put it on life support, it lived in coma. With the outpost update it's 100% crashed with no survivors. It's completely dead now.
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>>554372558
>they keep reverting all the retardation they added in 7.00
lmao icefaud
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>>554372558
It was never good.
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>>554372558
Check the state of other Valve products. The answer is there.
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>>554405328
Wasn't madman basically just weaver, except melee?
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>>554405328
Why exactly? Almost all of electrician's kit is in different heroes in dota2.
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>>554399671
meds
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>>554377001
Nigger
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>>554376021
Pretending Valve "made" or even "worked" at all in the anime is hilarious. There's people who actually think that valve put any kind of effort beyond receiving the check for the use of the name... that's just gold.
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>>554389081
She doesn't even look like that in the game you fucking chink
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>>554391347
Monkey king completely ruined dota in my opinion which is the 7.00 arrival hero. It remained as the most unbalanced hero for such a long time. It totally ruined lanes, it ruins mid, it ruins melee trades and it becomes ridiculously strong with a support behind it like it prevents people from playing the fucking game in their lane. There's really no counter to it and I got no idea why they added this completely broken piece of shit hero.
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>>554405303
What I meant is just that it's not like Dire and Radiant inherently have different pools, every item could drop for either team.
I'm sure what items is gonna drop for each team and in what sequence is already decided before the game even starts, but there's no way of knowing what items are gonna drop before you draft anyway so it's irrelevant.
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>>554405464
>>554405520
Movement is different
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>>554404196
Chinkass nigger
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>>554405348
Calling a game with regular ~400k players dead is just silly, but it's obviously way past it's prime and in a semi-steady decline.
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>>554406019
Numbers are there because game has shifted towards pandering to an audience like that. What I spoke about was the quality of the game.
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>>554372558
China.
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>>554395290
>lol
>deathball meta
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>>554372558
They added my wife
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7.0
then not enough hero updates and pushing all content/progression into the battle pass and Dota+
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>>554406221
its true
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>>554404263
League never stop being league and core game design didn't change much if at all. Like support, carry, mid, jungler, offlaner it's still there like it's always been, you don't have a sudden meta change like 2 carries and 2 junglers and complete overhaul of all game balance. Dota changed a successful game design and completely retarded it. That's where the outrage is coming from. League is still league, whether people like it or not is simply their preference.
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>>554406368
im glad you can coom twice as much now
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>>554406368
Go back to fighting, Mars
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>was recently told that people now call out their lanes/roles as "pos1-5"
What the fuck is this? I can already imagine getting back into it, asking "wtf is pos1-5?" and being told that I'm a newfag at doturd.
When did this start? Not that I will ever play any moba again, just curious about the current state of affairs.
t. played since beta til ~2016-2017
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>>554407515
Position 1-5 has been a thing well before 2016.
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>>554407515
it was a chink dota thing even back in wc3 retard
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>>554407909
>>554407932
And I haven't heard about it even once over thousands of hours of playing.
Good to know everyone's into chink lingo now, have fun with your ASSFAGGOTS trash bros.
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>>554408002
because people in pubs dont communicate at all, they just pick whatever the fuck they want
dumbass
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>>554408002
Based 2k shitter.
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>still playing mobashit
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>>554408002
Most people don't literally say what number they're playing. You just assume their role based on their pick/ location.
Like most things in Dota its explained nowhere in game.
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I played Dota 2 again for the first time with week after my brother installed it for his friends to play and the first thing I was met with was
>7 foot tall jolly L O U D warrior girl who's just happy to be in a fight that just happens to happens to have glorious thunder thighs
I wasn't even trying and I immediately get thrown a character that ticks all my boxes, it's not fair.
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>>554408708
god I must be tired if my spelling is this ass but you get my point
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>itt bunch of samefagging dotard trying to pretend their game is still good
you'll never fool anybody. Actually fucking never. Nobody believes in your lies and everybody knows that dotas golden age is long gone
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>>554372558
It lost
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>>554406959
I was really just talking about visual design, but on the topic of game design what's wrong with changing things up? It's not like there are actually massive changes, at most it's stuff like carry morph where your pos 1 is starting in mid or maybe a semi-carry pos 3 like when weaver and mirana off would go right click damage.
It's always been the standard pos 1-2-3-4-5, only exception being that jungler has been dead for a long time though it's looking like it might be making a comeback this patch.
Like there's no patch where you don't have your traditional positions, do you mean stuff like when mid changed from being exclusively play making/space making to also being able to be a second carry? How is it bad that you have more options?
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>>554409865
>only exception being that jungler has been dead for a long time though it's looking like it might be making a comeback this patch.
What?
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>>554410050
Lvl 1 jungler hasn't been a thing for years. Before you could see stuff like BM, Enigma, Axe or maybe Lycan in the jungle from pretty much lvl 1.
After the changes to jungle creeps and focus on lane pressure junglers was insta-lose for a long while. This patch it seems it's becoming more viable again, though I haven't read into the patch notes or anything, just heard from others who's more autistic about the game than me.



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