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You WILL read Higurashi
You WILL read Umineko
And you WILL read Ciconia
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>>551158127
No.
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>You WILL read Higurashi
I did, it was okay.
>You WILL read Umineko
I did, it sucked.
>And you WILL read Ciconia
Is it good?
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Only thing stopping me is the fact that i doubt ill ever meet someone in real life to talk to about it, and if i did theyd probably be a huge loser. So whats the point
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Make me
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>>551158127
At least you're being honest by saying read instead of "play"

I respect that.
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>umineko
>ciconia
literal tranny shit lmao
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>>551158127
well? how do I go about doing that?
how should anyone read them?
how much time will I waste without loving it?
tell me.
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I only watched the original Higurashi anime, so I have to admit, I'm completely lost. Does Rika become a witch and go on to star in a different anime that vaguely alludes to it being her, or something?
I just wanna be stuck in the Hinamizawa time loop so I can make sweet, sweet love to Rika and Satoko again and again, forever.
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>higurashi
The nurse did it
>Umineko
The tranny did it
>Ciconia
It doesn't fucking matter. Everything is a brain jar simulation
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I can't read
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>VN's
I'm no faggot weeb, sorry bro.
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>>551158127
I'm on chapter 8 of Higurashi already
>mfw didn't figure out that Takano was alive
Am I a brainlet?
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No I won't because I am NOT gay
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>>551158127
You will never be a woman
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>>551158617
>vaguely alludes
No it's literally just her.
>different anime
there is no Umineko anime, read the vn.
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How do I cope with the fact that the thing I like is considered trannyshit? I thought Beato was a girl who crossdresses as a guy, not the other way around.
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>>551159294
Whoa, so it really is her. I read something about this character being a "manifestation of Rika's depression" or something. So where did all her old Higurashi friends go?
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>>551159643
Keiichi is a witch's sex slave. The rest died of old age.
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>Reading ciconia
>All kinds of futuristic details/jargon shoved down your throat in order to "world build"
I hate this shit
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>>551159350
Simple - Yasu's a woman. Anyone who tells you she's a tranny just want her to be a guy for their own sick fetishes.
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>vnshit
>>>/trash/
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why am i reading video games?
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>>551158127
>was reading it
>think Maria is insufferable
>chapters 2 and 4 focus on her a lot, end up stopping midway through 4
Now it's been over a year since then and I feel like I forgot a lot of shit.
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>>551158127
>read
>VN
fuck off dumb cunt
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>>551158218
Ciconia has a ton of pacing issues and repeats itself a ton, but imo it's the best chapter 1 Ryukishi has ever written
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>>551159643
Until now the explanation fans were given is basically that the witch rika is a piece of the original that broke off after the original higurashi to go do its own thing. But higurashi Gou and sotsu (the new anime) seems like it's going to explain exactly what happened to make Rika into a witch.
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>>551159294
>read
>VN
fuck off dumb cunt
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Yes, you read VNs. Especially VNs without any choices.
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>>551160089
No you don't read VNs, and a VN without any choices is a shitty VN. You double lose, pardner.
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>>551159975
>has a ton of pacing issues and repeats itself a ton
what else is new?
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>>551158127
>You WILL read Higurashi
No.
>You WILL read Umineko
No.
>And you WILL read Ciconia
No.
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>>551160031
How does Gou hold up compared to the VNs? I've heard some insane bullshit like Satoko being Oyashiro-sama.
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>>551159706
What the heck, really? So is this witch keeping Keiichi young and alive to feed off his potent boy semen? How does Rika feel about this? Is Rika the witch doing it?
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>>551160143
Oh, but Ciconia is on a whole another level, I can guarantee you that repeating world building shit and walls of peace are 2/3 of the VN
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>>551158127
wow it's so much better this way thanks OP
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>>551160402
Anon, spoiler that! I wasn't at that part yet!
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>>551159350
Read the Umineko manga, specifically the Confessions of the Golden Witch chapters and the last few chapters of episode 8.
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>>551158127
I recently started the Higurashi VN after having seen all of the anime adaptations. It's really boring so far, it's just the same scenes and stuff that has happened in the anime, but with a lot more text and details. I don't think I can sit through this one. Umineko VN was a lot more enjoyable, despite having watched the Umineko anime first.
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>>551160184
>I've heard some insane bullshit like Satoko being Oyashiro-sama.
More so that she took over the role behind Oyashiro-sama's curse.
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>>551160739
How the fuck does that even work? Takano could do it because she had government spooks on her side to commit perfect crimes for her. What the fuck can Satoko do?
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>>551160184
It's a full on sequel and the answer arcs(sotsu) don't air for a few months so its not really fair to compare it yet. I will say it suffers a bit from having to fit each arc into an anime time format instead of each one being 20+ whatever hours like in the vns, but on the whole I love it so far and watching it with /a/ was a blast. It drags a bit in the middle but from about episode 16 on it goes complete batshit. Retards have been calling it a cashgrab but the way the story is going is building on the themes of the original and if it sticks the landing it will be a great bookend for the series.
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>>551160960
just watch it anon, don't spoil it for yourself any further.
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>>551160960
>What the fuck can Satoko do?
Loop.
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>>551158127
Should I? I feel like I know pretty much all the twists from /v/ cultural osmosis and otherwise it's going to be 20-25 hours per game of mild character drama.
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>You WILL read Higurashi
I did, the game was officially licensed in my country before 2011. With physical release.
And it's the most soulful translation I've ever read, while I play most of my games in english I couldn't possibly read Higurashi in it.
https://www.hinamizawa.fr/hinamizawa.htm#maebara
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>>551161437
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>do first chapter of umineko
>Get interesting twist on murder mystery, where someone states they did them and you need to prove they didn't
>Expect this for the rest of the game
>Instead get literal "no you can't use that argument because I said so", drowning people in oceans of jelly, demon bunny girls and other dumb bullshit
I think I got to chapter 4 or 5, why the fuck should I bother finishing it?
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>>551161094
So can Rika, and she managed to achieve fuck all in 100+ loops.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF_Ca45JRFs
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>>551158297
You are a massive faggot and need to go back to discord
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>>551161157
Tell us what you know and we'll decide if it's worth your time.
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>>551161851
Because chapters 1-4 are the questions arcs, chapters 5-8 are the answers arcs. Everything is explained by the end of the VN. If you still don't get it by the end, then you lack love.
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>you will read
This is a video games board fuck off.
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>>551158127
Did they get rereleased as actual books with words printed on pages and such? Because if not, then you mean "play Higurashi" ans so on. If so, then why not just read a better book?
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>>551158127
Read it, it sucks, now what?
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>>551162004
Because Rika pretty much stopped trying after awhile and Hanyuu is a useless piece of shit.
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>>551158127
Already read all of them .
now what ?
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>>551162258
Read them again
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>>551162248
>>551162330
dumb mistake reiterater
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>>551162258
Read more kino VNs like Fata Morgana.
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>>551161387
>rated 7
what
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Mion is best girl. Change my mind.
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>>551162489
Why would I? You're right.
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>>551158127
get a job fatass your parents are worried
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>>551162090
I have no love for others people bullshit.
And this is a fucking detective, there's should be logical explanation, if magic isn't real.
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>>551162556
>>551162489
this
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>>551162404
Another tranny shit, lmao. Why gooks so into this shit?
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>>551158127
Fool, I already have!
You cannot damn me for I already stride the depths of hell!
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>>551162590
Don't worry, this isn't like Higurashi. Everything that happens on the island can be explained with logic.
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>>551162678
Fat Morgan's MC isn't a tranny, kys
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>>551159801
>>551160545
Yasuda's gender is unknown and anyone who makes declarative statements on it is a goat.
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Btw, is Genji real? I'm just in process of reading, and it's seems like term furniture is referring to imaginary characters
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>>551162810
This is true. Well done.
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>>551158127
Higurashi was fun.
Umineko started great, but it quickly went downhill into massive retardation.
Not interested in Ciconia.
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>>551162489
*changed your mind
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>>551162972
Everything Battler sees with his own eyes is real.
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>>551162793
Cope nigger. Face reality. He's a troon and he's suffering for this
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>>551162810
Which makes her a tranny.
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>>551163037
>Shiton
Lmao
>>551163058
He is a man and has always been, it's not his fault people didn't know about intersex in 11th century.
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>>551163130
That does not make any sense at all.
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>>551163052
But he saw Kanon and Shannon together, which shouldn't be possible.
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>>551163205
Only in EP5 when he wasn't a detective.
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>>551158127
bls stop making /v/ threads you're turning 07th into a cancerous shithole
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>>551163205
When did he see them together? AFAIR one of them always dies before Battler can get a chance to see them both.
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So if Hanyuu suddenly appeared to YOU, would you her horns?
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>>551163261
Ok, when why Genji referred as furniture? How he's connected to all this metashit?
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>>551163130
t.
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>>551162590
Everything in the story can be explained with logic. Furthermore, the manga explicitly shows you who did it, how, and why. Once you're done with the VN, read the Confessions of the Golden Witch manga chapters, and the last few chapters of the episode 8 volume. If you're still confused, go to the 07th expansion wiki, go through each of the episodes and check the Solution tab. Don't do this until you've read the VN (and the manga chapters I mentioned).
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>>551163402
Yes.
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>>551163189
That's Akane and Shion
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>>551163425
he's Ronove
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>>551163450
Okey, thanks pal, got it.
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>>551163495
Akane mostly appears in console arcs, right? I've yet to read those. Doubt she can compare to Mion though.
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>>551158127
But fucking why, though? It's the same shit, people are shitty and awful and occasionally the good guys win, sort of, but not really.
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>>551163425
"Furniture" doesn't mean magical, it's just a term for someone treated as less than human, incapable of making meaningful decisions. Someone who will follow orders without question. A universal accomplice.
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>>551162440
It's not censored at all too.
He explained the rating here https://www.hinamizawa.fr/pegi.htm
>Dans le cas précis du sanglot des cigales, l'interface du logiciel n'offre aucune intéraction au joueur. Le PEGI ne pouvait donc pas considérer le produit comme un jeu et n'était pas apte à rendre un avis dessus. La seule partie qui tombait sous le coup de leur juridiction était composée des mini-jeux (à débloquer en lisant un tome complet de l'histoire). Ils ont donc rendu leur verdict uniquement sur ces mini-jeux.
TL;DR: Since the game offer no interactions with the player; the rating board couldn't give a stance on it. The only elements that were rated were the minigames, hence the 7yo rating.
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>>551158127
I don't want to though, I'd rather play Fortnite.
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>>551162972
From what I understand, he is refered to as furniture during Beato's storytelling in episodes 1-4, he is otherwise a real person and Kinzo's long time friend. Kinzo at one point saved Genji's life in the past when they were younger (never explain what exactly happened), and Genji felt indepted to him ever since, that's why he serves him as his butler. As for Genji's connection to the meta world, Yasu with the help of Maria created the magical demon buttler Ronove, with Genji as the inspiration, or a vessel.
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>>551164103
I DON'T PLAY FORTNITE! THIS IMAGE IS FAKE! WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOUR HEAD BEATO?!
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Fallout 4 had a better story than Umikuso and I am NOT joking.
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Umineko is unironically the most entertaining work of fiction ever
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>>551164189
Man, you don't even know how to troll. If you want to bait, compare it to Fate. That really gets them going.
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i've been sitting on chapter 5 of higurashi for months
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>>551164439
Evil God.
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>>551164495
Just fucking read it. Every Higurashi chapter is like 10 hours long, an hour or two a day and you'll finish each of them in a week.
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For someone who only watched the first Higurashi anime, like, fifteen years ago or however long, what's the best thing to do right now? Read all these VNs? Or rewatch the anime and then start watching the new one?
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>>551164657
>stoomps angrily
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>>551164781
If you already know all the story and the twists, there's hardly any point in reading the VN. Watch the new anime.
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>>551164106
it is explained what happened, Kinzo helped Genji escape when this shit went down but wasn't able to save Genji's family. I assume the guilt Genji feels from abandoning his family is why he became such a robot.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_28_incident
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>>551158127
nah
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>>551164657
Sexy evil god.
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>>551164905
I forgot pretty much everything, though, and I don't think I was invested enough the first time to catch all the subtle details. Are the VNs the better way?
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>>551158127
VN or (new) anime?
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>>551164781
>>551165079
Read the VN, then move on to the new anime.
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>>551164781
read the vn's, the anime is good in a vacuum but it doesn't compare to the visual novels, you watched a 100+ hour story get compressed into a 17 hour adaption.
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got recommended the Umineko project when I went to install the 07th mod for Umineko, is that the way to go?
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>>551164969
Why is Hanyuu masturbating, back there?
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>>551165158
She's sleeping, anon.
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>>551165141
07th mod is fine, all you're missing out on is lipsync (which looks weird as shit) and some effects like animated rain falling instead of a static image.
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>>551165178
>Mouth hung open
>Blushing face
>Hand out of view, under skirt
I don't know about that, Anon. I think she's hauu'ing her auu-wa.
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>>551165141
This is what you should go for: https://nyaa.si/view/1325411
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>>551164495
5 is Shion’s chapter I think? It’s my favorite
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>"IS THAT.....THAT.....UMINEKO?!!!!!!!! OH MY GOD OH MY GOD!!!!!! MAGIC ISN'T REAL NOOOOO HAHAAHHA LOOK THE RED BATTER GO CRAZY AND BE QUIRKY HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ISN'T IT FUNNY HE'S FREAKING OUT ABOUT MAGIC?! DID YOU KNOW THAT HIGURASHI IS CONNECTED TO UMINEKO? TAKE THAT HIGURASHI GOU FANS HAHAHAHAHA FACE THE TRUTH. ONLY REAL HIGH IQ CAN FIND OUT WHO'S THE ACTUAL CULPRIT IN PART 8!!!!!! MY FAKE INTERNET MEMES FRIENDS ON DISCORD/TWITTER/REDDIT/JP BOARD AGREE THAT UMINEKO IS THE BEST VN EVVVVVVEEEEEER PLEASE BUY THE MERCH SO WE CAN REACH FATE STAY NIGHT LEVEL OF POPULARITY AND GET OUR OWN FGO!!!! I DON'T CARE IT WILL DESTROY THE COMMUNITY AND PISS THE ANCIENT FANS, I NEED IT NOW!!!!!!! WE NEED OUR OWN PORN DOUJINS LIKE FGO!!!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH GIMMME *CACKLE CACKLE LIKE BEATRICE*"
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>>551165803
>WE NEED OUR OWN PORN DOUJINS LIKE FGO!
This unironically
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>>551165803
Meds, now.
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>>551165764
>le twin switcheroo
Nah it was a disappointment. 3 and 7 were kino.
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>>551159923
Chapter 4 when its about Maria will break your heart
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jesus christ i always see higurashi threads on the catalog but i never thought the fans would be so insufferable
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>>551158127
There's like 10 games per entry I have no idea what the fuck to do, it seems very high effort just for a VN.
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>>551162004
Satoko is an actually competent looper with slightly more powerful ability and Eua isn't a retard unlike Hanyuu
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>>551162004
>>551166747
Satoko's loops are nothing like Rika's kakera surfing anyway. Rika was dealt a random hand every time while Satoko always has the exact same kakera.
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>>551164943
Unironically, I haven't read any of the VNs but I'd dig an Umineko x Fortnite crossover. Make Beato or Battler dab or stuff like that.
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>>551161851
>drowning people in oceans of jelly, demon bunny girls and other dumb bullshit
You got filtered by the Gamemaster's biased narration
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>>551166839
Then what happens in Gou? Does Rika keep going back to Satoko's Fragment instead of drifting to a different, random one?
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>>551166581
It's really not that hard.
Higurashi: https://nyaa.si/view/1315370
Umineko: https://nyaa.si/view/1325411
Ciconia: https://nyaa.si/view/1181305
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You WILL NEVER be a woman.
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>>551167037
>being spoonfed
Well I guess I HAVE to read them now huh.
how long are these anyways? I managed to clear all 3 FSN routes in about a month but my friend warned me this is a crazy long game
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>>551158127
Sorry, I'm currently busy with Tsukihime.
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>>551166839
No that's only because Satoko doesn't care about what happens in the random kakera, she just aggressively rerolls until her desired kakera becomes a certainty. Rika treats every kakera like a possible winning route and doesn't reroll until the very end.
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ok but what if
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>>551158127
I tried reading the manga of Umineko but I got bored after a handful of chapters and stopped. Filtered I guess.
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>>551167013
Rika is "looping" according to Satoko's exception to her looping power which states that if Rika dies before Satoko, Rika keeps her memories and Satoko gets to go into the same fragment. So it's more like Satoko goes into Rika's fragment instead of Rika going into Satoko's.
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>>551167178
Higurashi and Umineko are bouth around 100 - 120 hours each, Ciconia is around 20 hours, but it's only phase 1. There's supposed to be 4 phases in total, but the rest haven't been released yet. It's probably gonna take years before all 4 phases are out.
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>>551167287
Rika literally couldn't "reroll" so willy-nilly because Hanyuu had a finite amount of energy to surf the kakera. That was why she freaked out during Minagoroshi-hen.
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>>551167178
higurashi 100+ hours
Umineko 160 hours
Ciconia only has the first chapter out which is about 25 hours
this isn't including any of the side material.
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>>551167574
>It's probably gonna take years before all 4 phases are out.
obviously since he hasn't even started writing phase 2 yet
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>this isn't including any of the side material.
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>>551167629
I can already feel myself withering just thinking about it.
Why didn't I read these when I was still a NEET with unlimited time.
oh right, because I was a retard that couldn't understand all the themes and allegories of FSN properly
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Higurashi is the best
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Things I know about Higurashi:
1. Hanyuu is a useless bitch.
2. I want to marry Satoko!
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>>551168218
based
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>>551168218
Stop shitposting on 4chan Irie
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>>551167891
higurashi and umineko are both broken up into 8 arcs each so you can just read 1 arc at a time and then take a break if it's overwhelming. You're also best off avoiding these threads, you will definitely get spoiled.
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>>551168672
Unfortunately had a fuck ton of Higurashi spoiled because my friend told me to watch the anime with him, Also had some umineko stuff spoiled but that was like 5 years ago when my friend was playing it. I don't remember nor can I make sense of most things except like, turbo big twists that I do still remember somewhat vaguely.
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>>551158127
I already have
t. https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198027868877
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>>551168996
oh well, the character writing has always been the best thing about the games anyway.
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>>551169603
Anybody who adores Bern and Ericka somehow manages to become like this somehow.
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>>551159350
>cope
stop being a /pol/tard and accept ryukishi and his works are left winged in nature
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>>551158127
>You WILL read Higurashi
AHAHAHAHAH ABSOLUTELY NOT
>You WILL read Umineko
Did, it was great
>And you WILL read Ciconia
Might, but I'm waiting for it to be finished
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>>551162258
Read the actual good ones aka RGD and Higanbana
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>>551170923
https://youtu.be/qq2UsxTaSNg
I'll just use my fists, thanks.
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>>551170415
Huh. Higurashi seemed very nationalistic to me. Especially if we remember that VGH speech about Axis wining second world war.
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>>551159350
Just post this in every umineko thread and you'll be fine.
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>>551158127
and you vill be happy
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>>551171617
>sereve
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>>551172106
What did you expect out of an image that uses Beato, an actual woman, when it should have used Yasu? Not like that matters to people who say she's a tranny anyway, mind you.
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>>551171542
Higurashi was very critical of the government and the older generation. Half the problems in the series are caused by the village adults caring to much about their standing and religious traditions.
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>>551168218
Hanyuu is useful!
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>>551158127
>You WILL read Higurashi
>You WILL read Umineko
>You WILL read Ciconia
I will do it. I already have Higurashi and Umineko. Currently reading through Umineko and enjoying it
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>>551172106
Holy shit.
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>>551159350
Digibro is currently using the name BEATRICE. Thats probably why everyone thinks its tranny shit now. So blame Digi
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>>551173554
Can't believe people take someone that used to review pony porn fanfiction seriously desu
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sorry shawawa i enjoy playing video games not reading books
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Didn't ask, passcuck.
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>>551172267
>the only reason Hinamizawa managed to survive is thanks to strong bonds to soil/traditions of its inhabitants.
>one of the leading themes is struggle of local community against globohomo(federal government).
>Entire Arc is focused on finding harmony between youth and older generation.
>Takano backstory has huge criticism of pacifist government that can't stand for national interests.
You're wrong. The only leftist thing in R07 works is his obsession with trannies.
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>>551173868
>reading books
reading shitty books*
Higurashi is alright, but the other 2 are pretentious garbage.
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>>551174656
>>the only reason Hinamizawa managed to survive is thanks to strong bonds to soil/traditions of its inhabitants.
Also because the bad guys couldn't afford losing the village.
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>>551174656
so your just going to ignore how bonds to tradition are the cause of satoko being neglected and shion being tortured/her life just being shit in general? As well as no one except Oishi taking the murders seriously?
>one of the leading themes is struggle of local community against globohomo(federal government).
you're literally just agreeing with me here.
>Entire Arc is focused on finding harmony between youth and older generation.
yes, part of which involves the younger generation taking charge and getting the old generation to get their shit together.
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You WONT read Rose Guns Days even if you really should have read it instead of Ciconia
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>>551177130
Alright, fuck it. I'll read it. What is it about?
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>>551177407
Post-WW2 Mafia Ryukishi rambles
Economics and Politics
Japanese nationalism while also shitting on Japan
Onions Sauce
More redpills per season than the entirety of Ciconia
Hype fight scenes
Godlike main villains
The usual Ryukishi slow start before it picks up
Great pacing
Bern and Lambda with massive tits slutting it up
Good music and OP
https://youtu.be/t1rH_0ManE8

You want to get Last Season
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>>551176005
Leftist ideologies always were about destruction of the local identities. Stop pretending they are not.

I would call Shion a spoiled rich brat, but otherwise, majority of her suffering are coming from very shitty school choice and identity crisis. Nothing family related, she can do whatever she wants, unlike Mion. Including running away from that said school and having crush on the outcast boy.

In regard to Satoko... well, her case was intended to be a criticism of having strong local identity. Nothing to refute here.
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Uhhh... bros?!
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>>551178147
The OP gave me Baccano and Cowboy Bebop vibes. Alright, I'll give it a shot.
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>>551178674
Yes? It's obvious for anyone with a half brain that Yasu is a biological male. Everything points to that fact. If you don't agree read it again
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>>551178582
>Stop pretending they are not.
your trying to boil down all of a foreign stranger's political beliefs into one unified thing you can slap a label on, this isn't how things work. There's an entire speech in Ciconia where Ryukishi complains about this exact mindset.
>Nothing family related
her family pretends she doesn't exist and cuts her fingernails off all because of their yakuza traditions. If her family were normal people she would never have developed an identity crisis in the first place.
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FUCKING YASU'S MANGLED MESS OF GENITALS
I DON'T CARE WHAT'S DOWN THERE
IM PUTTING MY DICK IN IT
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>>551178674
My god...
Battler's a witch!
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Should I buy Umineko on steam? I know most of the story of Higurashi and currently waiting for Sotsu.
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Umineko is half Higurashi half "EPIC SHOUNEN BATTLE OF WITS WITH MAGIC AND LASER SWORDS". If you don't like both you're not going to enjoy it. If you do then it'll be the most kino thing you'll ever experience.
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>>551179917
Get the Umineko Project patch. Makes the experience ten times better
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>>551179673
I prefer the term "Sorcerer".
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>>551179917
Get both Umineko and Higurashi from /jp/'s MEGA, Higurashi is also worth reading since a lot of stuff happens and i doubt you know everything about it. I read it knowing the biggest two twists (Rika and Takano) and loved it
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Anyone got that (shitpost) Image where Natsuhi explains Yasu/Shannon to Battler? He has a freaked out face and it's a not so subtle critique of the plot twist
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>>551180581
Facts don't care about your feelings, Battler! You're a witch!
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>>551179917
make sure you get one of the fan patches, the default steam art is fucking disgusting and the music is censored. I'm not sure if it even has the voice acting by default. Alternatively just get it for free and pay for it if you like it.
https://mega.nz/folder/wLxAFApJ#bw2evoJRzl6BDhlpadX1YQ/folder/8awBDJqS
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>>551180353
Where do I download it?
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>>551180623
To be more specific, get the GOG version of the arcs and patch them with the 07th mod to restore the original BGM/SE
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>>551180934
Thanks!
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>>551180934
Perfect, I love it.
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>>551180934
I'm still a little disappointed it doesn't mention that she has a crush on Battler too, just because it'd rub it in even more.
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>>551179368
When why do you started to talk about left/right? It's a european thing that implies some set of beliefs.

>Shion family doesn't care.
Shion got welfare and personal butler from her family. And they didn't expect much in return from her. You're trying to criticize Sonozaki family for them having strict traditions through Shion, while in reality they didn't have much of control over her life.

Btw, it's quite common to break your fingertails, nasty, but nothing traumatic.
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>>551180680
I wouldn't call an easily refuted shitpost by a speedreader with zero reading comprehension a "critique".
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>>551181370
Refute >>551180934 sentence for sentence then
pro tip, you can't because it's valid.
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>>551181343
>Btw, it's quite common to break your fingertails, nasty, but nothing traumatic.
it's common for your family to force you to rip your fingernails out by the root with a torture tool? Are you just shitposting?
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>>551170675
Based post
>>551167178
It is necessary to spoonfed, at least on Umineko since you could stumble with the HORRIBLE steam version
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>>551181743
My gf broke her fingertail while washing dishes. With a root.
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>>551180718
https://umineko-project.org/en/downloads/
You download all the resource, resource updates, scripts, the game engine you are on, and I forgot what legacy resource update but download it just in case. After that extract it and the pass is 035646750436634546568555050. I tried Umineko on the steam version and it was ass but this mod made it ten times better.
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>>551181652
Natsuhi and Krauss were never in charge of the servant shifts, they let Genji arrange all of that. Prior to the family conference in 1986, Kanon and Shannon were never assigned servant duty on the same day. Yasu just happened to be good at both acting and voice acting. Krauss, Jessica, George, and Natsuhi were never aware of the Shannon and Kanon connection, and never believed that they were the same person. They may have believed they were related in some way, possibly brother and sister.
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The most unrealistic thing to me is how everyone fell in love with Yasu. Sorry R07 but I don't buy it. She isn't that charismatic.
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>>551182252
BTW download speed in that website is fucking slow so do something productive before you waste an average of 100 hours
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>>551180934
Shannon and Kanon usually never worked at the same time (except on the day of the conference). Jessica is retarded and also desperately wants a bf so she's blinded. Krauss doesn't interact much with the servants. Natsuhi may have thought there was something off about it but she can't imagine they'd do something so absurd, especially when Genji acts like there's nothing weird going on. It all makes sense
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>>551158127
give me the reading order you baka
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>>551182659
George is desperate, Jessica is desperate, Battler liked her when she became his literal perfect woman for him. It's all reasonable.
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>>551182910
Higurashi(then manga), Umineko(then manga), Ciconia.
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>>551182910
Higurashi -> Umineko -> Ciconia
...
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>>551183118
that's a lot of reading fampai, can't I just do the VNs? Is there shit they don't cover that's in the manga?
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>>551182910
Before you read Umineko, make sure you first read the Bible.
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>>551158127
Why? I already watched the higurashi anime (2007). I would think these three are just babys first vn’s tier
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>>551183281
I don't know about Higurashi, but as for Umineko, once you've read the VN, you only really need to read Confessions of the Golden Witch chapters, because that doesn't exist in the VN, and the last few chapters of the final volume, because they expand on a few things a bit.
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>>551183079
>George and Jessica are desperate
In that way? Both of them ar perfectly socialized being with plenty of girls and boys around them. Jessica is probably the only one justifiable.
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>>551183525
got it, thanks
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>>551181652
O.K
>yeah we have this one servant who likes to dress up like the opposite gender and just randomly work in that persona, and we don't tell visitors about it.
Natsuhi doesn't know this.
>And nobody ever finds out for some reason or notices how similar they sound and act,
most of the family only visits the island a few days a year. Natsuhi avoided kanon because she was wary of rumors spreading if she was to spend time with a male servant and mostly spoke just to Genji when she could help it. Krauss was away from home doing big business shit most of the time and doesn't have much reason to interact with the servants. Jessica didn't actually talk to kanon much because of her crush and just watched him from a distance, she actually had begun to suspect something was "off" but was to in denial/dumb to catch on. Nanjo, Kumasawa and Genji all knew, Kinzo figured it out fairly quickly and just didn't give a shit. shannon/kanon disliked Gohda and would avoid him whenever possible. Also one thing people always underestimate is how effective wearing makeup/changing hairstyle/clothes can be to create a completely different appearance, that shit is frightening, pic related.
>she's just that good an actor for a barely educated servant.
acting is a natural talent, and you don't need to be talented to sit in a corner sulking and not talking to anyone(kanon)

part 1/2
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>>551182252
Umineko Project ruins the OST, don't do it bros.
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>>551165803
Oui, mon ami
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>>551183917
In what way?
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>>551182910
Read only umineko.
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>>551183591
George is basically an incel. He probably never approached any other girl than Shannon. And that happened only because it was Shannon's duty to talk to him and be nice to him.
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>>551184002
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAa-b_ermnA
It uses vocals and remixes everywhere. Just look at how it absolutely destroyed this scene.
>voices on top of voices on top of ost on top of sfx
>terrible sound mixing
>WISH WOOSH KABOOM POW SPECIAL EFFECTS THE IMAGE SPINS WOOAAAAAH
The lipsync isn't that good of a feature anyway.
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>>551183591
George scared off every girl who might've been interested in him with his 'ladies-first' attitude. Plus, he was the type of guy who thought he was super cool and all the ladies adored him, so he felt cheated on when Shannon was clearly more interested in Battler. After Battler left the family, George started to change his ways, and found he was still interested in Shannon afterwards. And, to be fair to him, she (seemingly) is the kindly quiet type a lot of Japanese men like, so it's not unexpected he'd have interest in her.
Jessica doesn't have a lot of guys her age around her, and I think she might go to an all-girls school if I recall correctly. So, when Kanon starts working on the island, she immediately latches on to the chance. In one of the episodes, she even says she's not certain why she loves him, so it was likely an immediate physical attraction rather than anything more, though there's the potential for development judging by other events.
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>>551183776
2/2
>and we put them both on the work schedule even though it's impossible for one person to actually work two shifts at the same time
Genji was the one in charge of the shifts and was doing everything he could to help yasu with the ruse. A lot of the time Shanon and kanon aren't even supposed to be on the island at the same time, the ushiromiya's employ several servants we never meet. The only reason they were both on the island for the family conference is because "they" were the best servants and Natsuhi wanted the conference to go off without a hitch so interfered with Genji's scheduling. Whenever they were both required to be on the island Genji, Nanjo and Kumasawa all worked together to help the illusion, just like they did for Kinzo after he died.
>oh, and she's engaged to one of our kids. And one of the other kids has a crush on her. Not the her that's engaged, the other persona.
Yasu has no social life outside the island so obviously she would fall in love with one of the kids. George loves shanon because he has childhood friend syndrome and Jessica likes kanon because he's a pretty boy who knows the real her and not just the persona she presents at school. I don't remember if her school is an all girls one or not but if it is then that also adds to my point since she wouldn't have much experience with boys.
>This is all perfectly normal for our family, Battler. Would you like some more small bomb crumpets?
The Aristocrats!

There you go, line by line :)
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>>551180712
>the default steam art is fucking disgusting
It has the original sprites, which is what you should be playing with.
>the music is censored
Literally one track has le ebin Star Trek soundbit taken out of it and it's trivial to replace it with the original.
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>>551182159
sorry to hear that, but you're ignoring the context. The reason it was so traumatic is because her family wanted it to happen to her and Mion just watched.
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>>551184863
The steam version doesnt have voice acting, at the very least he should get that
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>>551184863
>It has the original sprites, which is what you should be playing with.
Fuck off duckling.
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>>551181652
The fact that he specifically says "we put them both on the work schedule even though it's impossible for one person to actually work two shifts at the same time" proves that the idiot that made this is a speedreader, because it's explicitly told to you that this is the first time Shannon and Kanon have been on the same shift, and it's made crystal fucking clear that Genji, who is in charge of the scheduling, has been covering for Yasu since forever.
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>>551185038
>duckling
What does that even mean, you fruit? Why are you so hostile?
>>551185000
Not really. He can save that for a repeat playthrough if he wants it. You should always read/watch/play something in its original state, in order to get the intended experience. That aside, voice acting adds 20 hours to something that's already 100 hours to begin with.
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>>551185848
The true Umineko experience was playing 480p windowed no VA original graphics and the unofficial translation patch where Chiesters were called Siestas
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>>551186306
I proclaim it with the red truth
>>>/t/his+nigga+knows
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>muh OG sprites
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>>551186537
three trannies in this image
can you identify them all?
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>>551186537
>coomer coping that he got memed into reading with shitty soulless sprites and horrible nukige backgrounds
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>>551186682
You
YOU
Y-o-u
Y.O.U
Ýòú
YoY
Uoy
And finally (You)
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>>551180712
the steam art is way better than the ps3 art lol
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>>551186537
OG sprites are indeed the best sprites
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>>551187032
>Le soul fag coping that he got memed into reading with deviantart sprites and stolen photos with filters on them
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>>551187032
>contrarian coping that he got memed into reading without SSS voice acting and great cgs.
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Is it possible to read Umineko with voices and CGs of the PS3 version, but the normal sprites and backgrounds from the original?
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>>551187446
you can do it with the 07th mod for higurashi, so probably.
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>>551187304
>memed into reading the original version that the author had complete creative control of
Oh no.
>stolen photos
You're fucking retarded.
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>>551187339
Oh no, I don't have obnoxious laughter drowning out ahaha.wav every other time it plays and constant chatter drowning out the soundtrack. Damn.
>great cgs
Is what you posted supposed to be an example?
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>>551187938
Just look at how far he's reaching, lmao
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>>551158218
phase 1 is great, best chapter 1 of the wtc imo
but it's a bit too long
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How can I use the red truth in the 4chinz bros
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>>551188085
>reaching
Everything I just said is true, you're coping because you don't have a response. Go ahead and explain to me how drowning out the sound effects and soundtrack is a good thing.
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>>551188256
>drowning out
It doesn't. There you go, refuted.
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>>551187032
keyed
>>551187339
incel
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>>551188227
>>>/y/ou+cant
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>>551188436
It blatantly does. You can cope and deny it all you want.
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>>551188436
jesus christ the CGs are so fucking shit, I feel so bad for people who had their first run of Umineko with this shit on
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>>551188256
>Go ahead and explain to me how drowning out the sound effects and soundtrack is a good thing.
I can explain it by you being obviously deaf since I could hear awawa perfectly. Also what the fuck do you mean "drown out the music? Are you coming to read and listen to the characters or jam to some tunes? For the latter you have the soundbox on completion along with the music files being in the game's folder so you can listen to them whenever you want if you really wish to listen to just music alone.
Are you going to say that bleeps in Ace Attorney drown out the music as well?
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I legit don't get the appeal of Chinese visual novels. How is a story about slant eye fuck dolls relatable to grown-ass men?
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>>551173554
This is so fucking retarded considering that he hasn't even read Umineko.
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>>551188536
>>551188635
lol, lmao.
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>>551188536
>>551188501
>>551187938
(You)
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>>551188771
he watched the anime
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>>551188745
Most of them is shit yes. But Umineko/Higurashi is worth it if you're in to belletristic literature
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>>551188771
Trannies aren't known for their great mental capacities (except when it comes to gymnastics)
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>>551188824
Yeah.............
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>>551189025
What are the ages of the characters? Does it have anything to do with high school?
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>>551188720
>I could hear awawa perfectly
Apparently not.
>Are you coming to read and listen to the characters or jam to some tunes?
Are you seriously retarded? Do you not understand the purpose of the music? Of course you don't, or else we wouldn't be having this conversation. I don't know why I bother.
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>>551162810
>>551159801
Ryukishi tweeted "Despite their gender, Lion is great at cooking!" along with some fanart of Lion making some food. Yasu's gender is as confirmed as it gets.
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>>551189170
>does it has anything with school
No.
>age of characters
Middle/high schoolers.
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>>551188227
>>>/y/ou+are+incompetent
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>>551189279
>Apparently not.
Stop projecting your awful hearing on me, cunt.
>I don't know why I bother.
Because you have no argument. It's completely possible to hear both the voices and music at the same time with no issues.
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???
>>551189170
higurashi is about a group of young teens, umineko is about a rich family, most of whom are middle aged.
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>>551189459
>Middle/high schoolers
Gross. Pedobait.
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>>551189576
Why would someone 25-38 willing to read stories about pre-teens and teens?
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>>551189279
>anon can't hear the music with voices without having a sensory overload
No one else has this problem.
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>>551189170
Higurashi yes Umineko no
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>>551188824
>>551188846
lol you fucking consoletards and your infinite inferiority complex
you retards could not be more gotten to
reminder this is the post that caused you two (and there are only two of you) to meltdown:
>Not really. He can save that for a repeat playthrough if he wants it. You should always read/watch/play something in its original state, in order to get the intended experience.
lmao the mere suggestion of saving all the extra shit for another playthrough and reading the VN in its original state sends you into a fucking frenzy
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>>551189336
It's a weird thing where he acts like Yasu's gender is still up for debate, like how he says he 'wants to keep some parts of Umineko a mystery' when people ask about Yasu being transgender in 2015, then puts out shit like this at the same time. Is it a mistranslation, or does he just not have a clue what 'mystery' means?
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>>551189336
There's also the extra tip where Ange and Virgilia make yaoi pairings and they couple Lion with Will and Hideyoshi so they obviously think Lion as a man. Ange also insists Lion is the seme (ie top)
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>>551189479
>Stop projecting your awful hearing on me
You're the one who hears "ahaha" as "awawa"
>Because you have no argument.
It's not an argument, it's an objective fact, which is why you don't have an argument against it other then "Well it didn't bother me". It's literal fucking noise layered on top of everything.
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>>551190034
>lol you fucking consoletards and your infinite inferiority complex
Never owned a console in my life, cunt.
>lmao the mere suggestion of saving all the extra shit for another playthrough and reading the VN in its original state sends you into a fucking frenzy
Imagine calling reading a kinetic VN a "playthrough".
Just admit you've played through a version with less content and want others to follow your footsteps because you believe it's "the way it's meant to be played".
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>Not reading Umineko WITH soul sprites and console backgrounds
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>>551190438
>It's literal fucking noise layered on top of everything.
Holy shit, you are autistic. If you can't handle people speaking at the same time music is playing and discern both of them at the same time you should get professional help, passing by a club on the street must be a nightmare for you.
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>>551188720
>awawa
I would literally fucking kill you if I met you in person and consider my life well-spent from having done that good deed alone.
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>>551167245
Better than WTCshit in every way.
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>>551158127
Is Ciconia on GOG yet?
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>>551159975
I thought the pacing was alright, but it was my least favorite Chapter 1 ryukishi ever wrote.
If you ask me
Umineko Episode 1, in a vacuum, is amazing and blows all of his other stuff out of the water, at least once shit hits the fan. The rest of the VN kind of betrays the mystery and tone it sets up, because Ryukishi is bad at writing smart mysteries, but good at making smart looking mysteries.

Battler and Beatrice end up fighting over incredibly dumb things, and any reader who actually tries to solve the mystery like Ryukishi wants them to will get disillusioned once they realize over HALF OF THE VN is Battler arguing semantics with Beatrice to kill time, and the rest is fanservice or padding.

Ciconia has interesting setup and trash payoff, because the ending cuts before it gets good and if you actually buy the VN you get majorly ripped off at 40 bucks for chapter 1 of 4. Seriously?
Like Higurashi, it had better slice of life than drama, but the drama has good moments and I was even unsettled by the factory part.

Unfortunately the ending, cuts off before it can get really gory, so what the fuck was the point?
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I think you're all being baited. Ignore the retard.
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>>551158127
I'll read it if you get on your knees and suck my cock, how's that?
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>>551190912
B..bern put down the gun
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>>551190462
>Never owned a console in my life, cunt.
You're playing the console version of the game, genius.
>Just admit you've played through a version with less content and want others to follow your footsteps because you believe it's "the way it's meant to be played".
I've played through both, unlike you, dumbfuck. Why do you take such great exception to the idea of reading the VN in its original state and reading it as the creator intended it?
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>>551190438
>>551190736
Calm your spastic asses down. I was just thinking more about the .wav part and mixed it with ahaha unconsciously and you're getting violent.
If something like this riles you up perhaps you should go consult your therapist about your anger issues since you have a lot of it pent up inside. Guess reading about love for 100 hours didn't teach you a damn thing
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>>551190645
You don't understand the point at all. There's no point in trying to explain sound direction to a brainlet.
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>>551191263
>DURRR I'M A FUCKING RETARD DON'T BULLY ME
Yeah that much was evident from your shit taste.
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>>551191150
How about I put you down instead, like the dog you are.
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>>551191263
Aren't you one of the people throwing a tantrum because someone had the gall to suggest playing the VN without all the console shit? Maybe take your own advice.
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>>551190867
I agree with the whole 40 dollars for 1 episode part, I thought at first that it was gonna be full price to get the entirety of the VN, thankfully I live in a shithole country and paid the equivalent of 3 dollars for it instead of full price. I thought Ciconia's ending was great tho, don't really see a reason to expect gore to be honest.

However I fucking hated Umineko's 1st chapter, at least everything before shit went down, call me a goat or whatever but I'm in the group of Umineko is snooze for 20~ hours until the halo swords start popping out.
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>>551191257
>creator intended it?
ah yes, because Ryukishi definitely didn't want umineko to have voice acting. Any other brilliant suggestions you want to throw out? Perhaps I should play VTMB without the fan patch that fixes the literal game breaking bugs, after all that wouldn't be playing in it's original state!
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>>551187475
Sauce?
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>>551191615
>>551191771
Meds, now.
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>>551191868
>Perhaps I should play VTMB without the fan patch that fixes the literal game breaking bugs, after all that wouldn't be playing in it's original state!
A better analogy would have been playing picrelated without fixes and patches.
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>>551186537
fuck everyone pachino sprites are secretly the best ones, everyone hating them is just an cover.
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>>551191868
>Ryukishi definitely didn't want umineko to have voice acting
I mean, he didn't. He 100% could have afforded it, I'm sure with all the success Higurashi got. And he didn't have it in Ciconia either.
And that's irrelevant anyway, because even if he did, he didn't direct it, and he didn't determine how and when it was used. Ryukishi has always put a lot of thought into his sound direction, i.e. when and where what sound effects play, and what music is playing during a scene. That's why he's always described his work as being "sound novels". The voice acting is just kind of throw on top of that by a third party without any real thought put into it. I know you don't give a fuck about that though, you've made it patently obvious.
>Perhaps I should play VTMB without the fan patch that fixes the literal game breaking bugs, after all that wouldn't be playing in it's original state!
Do you seriously think game breaking bugs are a valid, non-fallacious comparison in this argument? Of course you do. What you're doing is like playing with one of those shitty HD texture packs.
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>>551192467
I feel disgusted by painted nails so I can't stand Pachtrice.
El Peleador however...
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>>551192467
Not with that Kinzo and deformed booba
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>>551192381
I actually thought of that but I went with VTMB since I remember it literally being impossible to complete the game after a certain point without the fan patch since an event flag wouldn't trigger. Another good comparision would be complaining about people modding dp2 to play at 60fps because the 15fps on the switch version is OBVIOUSLY the most authentic experience.
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>>551192539
>Ryukishiwanker finally outs himself
Just because he's not competent in literally every possible field and didn't participate in things he had no experience with doesn't invalidate them.
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>>551192467
Not the best but definitely more soulful than the ps3 ones
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>>551192890
>Another good comparision
You're comparing purely artistic decisions to blatant technical issues. Those are awful comparisons.
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>>551193029
We're on /v/, bugs ARE artistic. Have you been to vanilla vs fan patched threads?
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>>551193002
>Ryukishiwanker finally outs himself
Funny how people who play the original versions seem to lean more towards genuinely enjoying Ryukishi's work, whereas people who only played console versions invariably seem to possess this kind of passive-aggressive disdain for him. Weird coincidence.
>Just because he's not competent in literally every possible field and didn't participate in things he had no experience with doesn't invalidate them.
He had very little to no input in it, thus it doesn't have anywhere near the same level of thought and detail put into its presentation. As I said, it's basically just thrown on top of everything. Sorry that fact hurts your feelings.
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>>551193029
The VTMB fan patch also restored all of the cut content, but alright then, just for you.
metal gear solid 3 (subsistence)
devil may cry 3-5(special editions)
dragons dogma (dark arisen)
Morrowind (even hardcore morrowind fans don't play the vanilla release)
Here's just a view examples of games you would have to be a contrarian to play the original releases of. Ryukishi didn't hire voice actors at the time because he was busy writing the story and knows fuck all about voice direction. If he was so set against the idea then why do we even have a version with voice acting in the first place? Do you think mangagamer kidnapped Ryukishi and tortured him until he gave in?
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>>551193626
>Funny how people who play the original versions seem to lean more towards genuinely enjoying Ryukishi's work, whereas people who only played console versions invariably seem to possess this kind of passive-aggressive disdain for him.
You just pulled that anecdote out of your ass. And then sucked off Ryukishi. Again.
>He had very little to no input in it
And someone else did a wonderful job with it. If by any chance he directed the voices and the cast he had a very high chance of pulling a George Lucas of putting his hands on things he had barely any knowledge of. But since he didn't we might never know.
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Who the fuck is Lambdadelta? Spoonfeed me.
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>>551193626
Funny how people who can't stop fellating the author ignore everyone else who put the work besides them. He didn't do the entire VN all by himself, there are credits for a reason.
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>>551194316
A witch from Umineko,implied to be connected to Takano and Satako.
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>>551158127
Can I start reading them in moonspeak after I get at around N4 level?
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MEDSMEDSMEDSMEDSMEDSMEDS NOW!!!!!!!!!
Lambdadelta =/ Satoko
Lambdadelta =/ Takano
Bernkastel =/ Rika
Hanyuu =/ Featherine
Hanyuu =/ Eua
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>>551194763
You first, schizo.
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>>551194942
AHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA SO FUNNY
SNEED?
HAVEN'T SEEN THAT ONE BEFORE
HOW DO YOU COME UP WITH SUCH INCREDIBLE MATERIAL?
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>>551195142
Sneed, indeed.
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>>551195142
med
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>>551158127
I actually started watching the new higurashi anime last week. Pretty kino, but I kind of regret not watching the original again. It's been so many years that I actually forgot a lot of it, so all the changes the remake/sequel is making are kind of lost on me. I only really noticed Mion getting the doll instead of Rena.
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El Mariachi? What? Oh, you mean Desperado? Hahaha why would I watch some shitty low fidelity Mexican movie when I can just watch the Hollywood remake?
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>>551194059
All your examples are fucking terrible. You listed a bunch of console shit from before console games could be patched that just fix issues and add minor content (Subsistence and 3SE). 4SE and 5SE just add Vergil. Dark Arisen is a fucking expansion, the vanilla game is exactly the same.
That doesn't fucking matter though, because you're comparing apples to oranges. Everything you're listing is adding or fixing gameplay to largely gameplay driven experiences. Nothing in the presentation of the narrative of any of those games was changed, at all.
What you're shilling so relentlessly for is more comparable to the special editions of Star Wars. Now tell me about how great all that unnecessary, superfluous CGI was and how it added so much to the experience of watching those old, crusty, ugly, outdated films.
>Ryukishi didn't hire voice actors at the time because he was busy writing the story and knows fuck all about voice direction
Yes, exactly. He didn't want to incorporate something into his game that he didn't have control of.
>If he was so set against the idea then why do we even have a version with voice acting in the first place?
Because he wanted to make money. (It flopped hard and literally bankrupted the company that made it, funny enough). If it's so important, why doesn't it come with the international release? Why do you need to install a third party patch to use it?
>Do you think mangagamer kidnapped Ryukishi and tortured him until he gave in?
Mangagamer didn't have anything to do with the voice acting you tard, that was Alchemist.
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>>551189573
I unironically loved these two retards to death while reading Umineko. Something about Krauss doing whatever he fucking wanted and his wife just going insane from everything around her was great
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>>551191839
The other endings had an air of mystery to them that I enjoyed more, but Ciconia just has the main villain look at the screen and do a cringeworthy Edgelord smirk(tm) and roll credits
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>>551194082
>You just pulled that anecdote out of your ass.
I pulled it straight from you bub.
>>551194408
>Funny how people who can't stop fellating the author ignore everyone else who put the work besides them
Like who? He made the art, he wrote the script, he directed the entire thing. The only significant help he had, obviously, was with the soundtrack. I think he had some help with the coding too.
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>>551195543
so far you should have noticed
>takano and tomitake disappearing instead of turning up dead.
>the mountain dogs closing down the clinic and shipping out.
And obviously the ending of the first arc being completely different.
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>>551195543
You are going to need more than just the DEEN adaptation for Gou
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>>551195612
holy shit, I should have known better than to trust /v/ to play videogames.
>that just fix issues and add minor content
subsistence completely redesigned how the camera worked, making the game feel entirely different to how it played originally. By the way, gameplay IS narrative.
>4SE and 5SE just add Vergil.
It literally adds story content.
>Dark Arisen is a fucking expansion, the vanilla game is exactly the same
I actually fucking laughed when I read this, you've clearly never touched the original release of dragons dogma. Dark Arisen added so many quality of life changes it might as well have been a sequel. The expansion EXPANDS on the original games narrative, just like how last note of the golden witch expanded umineko.
>Because he wanted to make money.
so in other words he's a hack who doesn't care about his art and will pimp it out the first studio that pays him? Is that what you believe?
>that was Alchemist.
fair enough, my bad.
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>>551190867
What's with Umineko constantly filtering people this hard? Do you guys genuinely have low IQ or something?
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>>551195763
>but Ciconia just has the main villain look at the screen
Tomitake is clearly not the main villain, thinking that is like only reading chapter 1 of umi and saying "oh well the witch did it, story over".
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>people still don't understand Umineko and think Bernkastel is an actual person
Come on guys it's been years now.
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>>551190867
>at least once shit hits the fan.
>he didnt enjoy it from the start
Opinion discarded
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>>551196276
Oh I'm on ep 26 already. I binged the fuck out of it.
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>>551197851
She can be a metaphor while still being an actual character, magic denier.
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How would HE have fared in Umineko's story?
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So since Rika has Bern as her evil manifestation, does this season shows the birth of Satoko’s evil manifestation, Lambda?
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>>551198091
No, you just don't understand the story. It's fine, I've seen plenty of you people by now.
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>>551198376
Impaled by Beatrice’s needles.
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>>551183626
You don't need to read any of the manga. Technically you don't have to read the other VNs either, but since they reference each other, it's better to play them in order.
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>>551198091
It's ironic because you're the one denying "magic" by trying to find a logical explanation as to why Bernkastel has to be an actual person.
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>>551158127
>/v/
>vn
back to /lit/ and even then...they are gonna make fun of you fucking disgusting weebs
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>>551198690
But my point is that the meta world can be real while still serving the story as a metaphor?
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>>551197416
>making the game feel entirely different to how it played originally
If you're a retarded babby that never played any MGS game prior, sure. Movement is still exactly the same.
>By the way, gameplay IS narrative
Doesn't matter. You're still comparing gameplay to something with no gameplay.
>It literally adds story content.
No it doesn't you fucking disingenuous liar. Unless you're referring to the one "scene" where Vergil walks by some femoid and she looks at him.
>you've clearly never touched the original release of dragons dogma
I have over 150 hours in it and probably 250 in Dark Arisen. I can't really recall any of these QoL changes that supposedly drastically changed the game. Probably because you're grossly exaggerating them. And you're talking about "QoL" changes, i.e. fixing issues and making them better.
>The expansion EXPANDS on the original games narrative
Yeah, because it's an expansion, you fucking idiot.

Again, none of your shitty examples are analogous at all to completely changing the visual style, tone and atmosphere and haphazardly throwing voice acting onto the pre-existing sound direction. Funny how you completely avoided addressing my counter example. You want another counter example? Go ahead and tell me how the Demon's Souls remake is so much better than the original version. The graphics are WAY WAY better, so it's better, right?
>so in other words he's a hack who doesn't care about his art and will pimp it out the first studio that pays him?
The fact that the manga exists should give you the answer to that.
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Lol, did Umineko actually flopped? I mean, it's a cult classic and one the most popular novels out there.
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>>551171542
How could you read the speech and come off thinking you were supposed to agree with it? It's by the same people who propose secret bioweapons programmes and liquidating witnesses.
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>>551197416
>so in other words he's a hack
Yes? This is the biggest tell that you're some absolute newfaggot secondary. Long-time WTC fans will readily proclaim that R07 is a fucking hack. But if you aren't fully strapped in for this Japanese hack writer's wild ride, you're a bitch. Enjoy your rounded edges and safety scissors.
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>>551197986
16*
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>>551199391
On the west at least, it flopped on japan
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>>551199610
No wonder why Ciconia is basically about sucking off foreign fans. Why gooks were so upset about it though?
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>>551199391
For an independently made VN it's pretty successful but compared to Higurashi, yeah it flopped astronomically hard.
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>>551188635
How is that bad wtf?
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>>551158127
Done
Done
Done goddammit release phase 2 Ryukishit you fucking n
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>>551199260
>comparing the travesty of demon's souls remake to playing Umineko with voice acting.
Ok i'm done, I can't even tell if these are your genuine opinions anymore.
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>>551158218
Why bother. You know r07 can’t write an ending to save his fucking life. Higu is his only good work and a confirmed fluke.
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>>551158127
>Read, enjoyed it
>Read, enjoyed it
>Read, it was ok
Now what
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>>551200604
>>551177130
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>>551200381
bro, he wont write phase 2 until maybe the end of this year
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>>551199954
A lot of Higurashi's fanbase fell off for the same reasons you see here. People either thought Matsu was too corny or they got mad about the answer to muh murder-mystery being brain parasites and time loops.
Umineko filtered a lot of Japs for the same reason it appeals more to westerners, namely the western aesthetic and the fact that it's much more focused on adults than Higurashi was (save toward the end of Higurashi, which might be another reason a lot of Japs got turned off).
And then a lot of Japs that survived all that wound up hating the ending of Umineko, same as you see here.

I also think Higurashi was a lightning in a bottle kind of thing, it was a phenomenon that was never going to be replicated again no matter what Ryukishi did. Not that its success isn't merited, but being real a lot of it has to do with being at the right place at the right time.
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>>551199954
>Why gooks were so upset about it though?
The went full autism mode and solved everything too fast.
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>>551161851
Around there is considered “the best part”, so if you hate it wait for the absolute shitfest when you get memed by trannies to read the ending.
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>>551200869
Don't say it please don't say this I'm begging you
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>>551162404
You fucking fags are literal human caricatures.
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>>551201064
https://twitter.com/07th_official/status/1377616478346838020
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>>551200538
Oh, so NOW you suddenly care about art direction and sound direction, huh? What happened to that shit being GAY and for NERDS? The graphics look better, so it's BETTER. Simple as.
What's wrong bro? The online is better, that means it's better right? It has more CONTENT. There's some shitty armor set you can find that isn't in the original game. More content = BETTER!
>Ok i'm done, I can't even tell if these are your genuine opinions anymore.
You are genuinely on the same level of the Bluepoint shills. I'll let you seethe and cope with that, because you know you can't argue against it without shooting everything you've said up to this point in the foot.
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>>551201395
I can't read moon...
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>>551162793
To be fair who the fuck finishes reading such a fucking boring garbage VN to realize that shit? Can’t blame most for jumping ship when the gay muh tranny woes in the middle ages (ackchually hermaphrodite) shit is first presented.
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>>551201551
Google translate is good enough.
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>>551201432
>Oh, so NOW you suddenly care about art direction and sound direction, huh? What happened to that shit being GAY and for NERDS?
What? My stance is that playing Umineko without voice acting is dumb because it only adds to the experience. I hope you played umi in japanese by the way, since Ryukishi didn't write the translation and it obviously doesn't count as the intended experience.
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>>551158127
Why has this fanbase become so insufferable recently?
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>>551201567
Literally me. Just dropped it right away after this stuff.
First part of the novel was pure kino though
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>>551170415
>only /pol/ is repulsed by trannies
White hands etc.
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>>551202203
something in the water.
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>>551202423
Where are they going?
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>>551158127
>I did
>Trash VN
>No
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>>551188517
>>551189468
>>>/d/ont+make+fun+of+me+if+this+doesnt+work+please
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>>551202176
>My stance is that playing Umineko without voice acting is dumb because it only adds to the experience.
lol funny how you've completely dropped defending the CGs/PS3 sprites (because you know you can't at this stage). I'm sure you're going to say "That wasn't me!" and pretend you just randomly jumped into the argument at some point to only argue about the voice acting (though you conveniently didn't specify that until just now), even though the argument was never solely about that. And, as for the voice acting, it objectively alters the sound direction. It does not preserve the same mood, tone and artistic intent that was present in the original.
>I hope you played umi in japanese by the way, since Ryukishi didn't write the translation and it obviously doesn't count as the intended experience.
You're being sarcastic, but yes, it is always better to read something in the original language in which it was written. That's basic common sense. Reading a translation is almost always an inferior experience.
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>>551203292
>though you conveniently didn't specify that until just now
>>551187339
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>>551199391
not really, don't believe shitposters.
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>>551204086
You just blatantly pointed to yourself posting and talking about the CGs, you giant tool.
Thanks for clearing that up though, I'll take that as a tacit admission that you've given up on the CG/sprite argument entirely.
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>>551174656
You are illiterate.
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>>551204520
If you don't understand why I did that then you really are autistic, try reading through your own posts in the future.
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>>551158127
I've been putting it off for about 10-15 years, why should I read it now?
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>Rosa was the only person aside from Kinzo who referred to the servants as furniture

I really hate how much evidence there is for Rosatrice in early Umineko. It would have been so much better.
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>>551205640
How old are you anon?
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>>551186537
Kill yourself... fast!
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>>551206025
>>Rosa was the only person aside from Kinzo who referred to the servants as furniture
But Genji?
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>>551197362
It was dumb. Instead of doing something clever it half-heartedly fleshed out a background character. It was a waste of time.
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>>551206236
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>>551205640
Because we are getting more content after all these years
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Is Miotsukushi worth reading? Seems weird that they wrote an alternate ending.
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>>551208223
He always does this, Umineko manga is an alternate ending too.
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>>551208223
It's official fanfiction written by a Mion-fag. It's an overall superior ending to Matsuri, though.
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>>551208223
I would read them if only for the new anime
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Is the Higurashi VN enough before watching Gou?
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>>551209501
I'll check it out then. Tbh I didn't really care for the last chapter. Do I download it through the 07mod for one of the steam arc or is there a stand alone release somewhere?
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>>551194059
>The VTMB fan patch also restored all of the cut content
Optionally. The patcher even recommends against it for a first playthrough.
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>>551200604
>>551200381
see >>551167732
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>>551209921
Yes. Gou replays the routes with small variations until it branches off completely. There's a new important character who appears first in umineko, but not knowing about her is fine, just know that that's where she's from. There are also references to Umi and Ciconia, but those might be inconsequential.
It might be a good idea to play umi before Sotsu, though.
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>>551211151
Thanks anon
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I'm trying to read this but I'm a brainlet and have to stop every 10 minutes to actually process what the fuck is happening
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>>551200182
Me too, ever since she takes charge in episode 1. Conversely, I hate Erika because she bullies Natsuhi for no reason.
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>>551215076
>I hate Erika because I self insert as Natsuhi
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So Ciconia taking place in a matrix style VR is one of the most common theories, right?
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>>551215227
fuck off Erika, you deserve to be cheated on
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>>551206025
Didnt Eva also call Shannon furniture?
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>>551158127
Is it okay if I just play the game instead?
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>>551216074
Be sure to get 07th mod's BGM and SE fixes manually from their site anon. You can also get voice acting and PS3 sprites from there but in my opinion Higurashi is much comfier with the OG sprites and no voice acting (the BGM/SE fixes are a must though)
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Let it be known. There is a piece eating beans on the gameboard. Do what you must.
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>>551216710
Daamn, I didn't know playing Higurashi the right way was such serious business. Welp, I'll look into it, thanks for the heads up.
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>>551217020
The steam version is good, don't listen to the shill.
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>>551217020
I played Higurashi from steam for the first time very recently without that fix and the only sound effect bugs I noticed were in I think part 5 or 6 where something was repeating a lot. I think you should be fine for the first part at least. Also play with the og art a lot of the facial expressions in the nu-art aren't so good nor clear.
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>>551216074
>Rena's boobs
What the fuck mangagamer??
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>>551216884
Huh?! I've not been eating Gohda's beans! O-Or beans in general, I mean!
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>>551216710
Honestly, you're just better off finding an older version and just pirating it because the BGM/SE "fixes" those cucks release also take the liberty of "fixing" the fucked up .midis and restoring the sound files to a non-corrupted state.
Compare (Original with fucked up midis)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Wb-tFSRCnU
with the "fixed" version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVFNCdodmTA
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>>551217405
The steam version replaces half the music retard.
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>>551217832
With better tracks, yes.
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>>551217439
>play with the og art
I intend to.
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>>551217439
Its not the corruptions or bugs im worried about, the Steam version changes a big portion of the songs from the first half of the VN. Even the TIPS menu music gets changed in favor of le atmospheric ambience.
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>No Higanbana
why Its pretty good
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>>551217691
God damn that part was so kino
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>>551217975
>freeware tracks have ""SOUL""
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I like the shitty artwork its has a quaint charm to it
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>>551218212
Better? Maybe. But they dont always fit well with the scene they are in and the game clearly wasnt written with those tracks in mind
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>>551218212
Yes. Dumb Satania poster.
The fact that you think shit made by some no-name intern at mangagamer is better just because he was paid to do it is fucking baffling. As if it were Kenji Kawai or something. You already drink bleach but next time drink more than a sippy cup's worth.
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I am reading Umineko
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How is Mangagamer still in business?
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>>551218935
Eroge whales, underpaying their entire stuff, etc
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>>551218935
because they make KINO translations and great art, only incels disagree
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I just finished Gou. I never finished the original way back when, cos I got bored of the SoL parts. Does satoko also end up as a looper in the original anime or is that new to Gou?
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>>551218850
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>>551218782
You seem to think that the OG music was entirely made by Kenji Kawai. It was not.
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>>551219130
>Finished Gou before the original
What the fuck
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I want Nanjo to give me a prostate exam
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>>551218850
King.
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>>551218935
I imagine they run on REALLY thin profit margins, just barely staying afloat between big releases. They're probably a flop or two away from folding completely. Plus, yeah as other people have said, they underpay their translators and snap up trashy eroge to throw out for a quick buck.
Source: trust me dude
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>>551219182
It was like 8yrs ago and I remember enough to not want to sit through all the early bits again.
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>>551215076
Erika bullies everyone equally (except waga aruji)
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>>551219152
That isn't what I suggested at all. Kenji Kawai didn't make any of the original music. He made the anime soundtrack. That's not even why I brought him up, I was just using him as an example of a noteworthy, talented professional composer. Because you seem to think anyone who gets paid to make music automatically has that level of pedigree. But that conception is blatantly false.
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>>551220320
An yet you recommend freeware music made by literal who of which some tracks are not longer than 20 seconds. kek
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You will read the gay porn comics of Battler and Beatrice
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>>551218126
I was so ready to see Keiichi go on a rampage after Satoko's breakdown.
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Battler's pathetic micropenis shrunk by several years of steroid abuse
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>>551220987
chapter 3 is what sold me on the series, I felt pure rage and grief when Satoko had her breakdown and pure hype when Keiichi gave his 1500 seconds speech
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>>551219523
clearly not since you didn't realise you were watching a sequel.
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>>551218212
Soul:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqEtLDN1Ohc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrbSG7wKFaA
Soulless:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VV_BKOsSwEI (it's actually not that bad, except for only being 1 minute long and replacing the 2 above tracks that are nearly 10 minutes in length total)
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>>551224092
The 07th mod remake music is better and adds more SOUL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9TXKQNEB-U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUNOms16TdY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHKGy9_Le_Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m9bYWynvTw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMJHT-ZNvHU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hmHA-XHI9o
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GRRRRRRRRRRRRR AUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH FART NOISES
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>>551224990
hahahaha :)
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>>551218935
I don’t think they have a really high budget. Staff seems really small too.
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>>551220590
Most freeware art assets are made by actual professionals.
Funny how I can find the name and credits of these "freeware hacks" but the Mangagamer jackass you keep fellating is a total unknown and isn't credited anywhere.
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>>551223601
Of course that didn't lead to a happy end, but man it felt good in the moment to for him to go full nii-nii.
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>>551224745
I prefer the originals.
The piano tracks sound too muted.
The strings in Fascism don't have enough attack so it ends up sounding wishy-washy.
Theme of Owner and Days of Children sound good.
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>>>/a/220000000
Kneel.
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>>551189023
This
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ok
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>>551227127
it sucks that we never get to see Satoko call Keiichi nii-nii again after that chapter
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>>551228660
This must be divine proof that satoko will overcome her troubles in gou and get her happy ending in sotsu!



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