Axes > swords >>>>>>>>>maces
>>545548906Spears >>>> everything else in meele
>>545548906>Sir please put down your throwing weapons you have a phone call
>>545548906Knights literally wanted to make maces illegal because it fucks up their armor.
>>545548906>makes your steel plate worthless because of a 2kg weight on a stickYeah fuck off
>>545548906Axespearhammer > *
>>545549315>wanting to have your weapon stuck on a corpse when his friends are fast approachinggood job retard
>>545548906what about big fucking hammers?
>>545549415>fighting in a situation where the enemy out numbers youngmi
>>545548906Hey man can I axe you a question?
Guns >>>>>>>>> spears > swords > axes > maces/hammers if dealing with unarmored peasantsGuns >>>>>>>>> maces/hammers > axes > spears > swords if dealing with armored opponentst. owns all of above
Stick > chopstick > sharp stick > pointy stick
>>545549426Obese person detected
>>545549510>fighting in duels only some warrior you are, do you also fight peasants and think you're fighting an army? fucking noble faggot
I prefer the gunspear
>>545549732>dying like an idiot
I wasn't a fan of axes but I took the axepill a few years ago and now I love them. Hammers are cringe 90% of the time though.
>>545549785can't be me, i'm not using a mining tool for a weapon
>>545549067why do people deny this?
>>545549961>mining tool>so stupid he cant even google warpick
op is a fucking huge faggot retard. only takes a few scrolls down and he's ass blasted already. i'll join in for sloppppppppppy seconds. spears > mace > everything > half life 2
Le pointy stick is best!
This is my bedroom wall. How would a girl react to seeing this?
>>545549067>spearsbut what if the enemy gets closer than your spear range?
>>545550079>Le pointy stick is best!When will stubby sword fags ever learn?
>>545549067Spears are literally just knives on sticks.
>>545550132the katana clashes with everything elsealso that is a nice Scrooge
>>545550225then you pull out a shorter spear
>>545550132cute girls prefer polearms
>>545550132You should paint that shield and make a weapon rack for the rest. Looks a bit haphazzardly laid about and it's a bit uneasy to look at.
>>545550021>he thinks i'm being literal typical noble faggot, can't handle an joke unless it's has several tomes worth of words to set it up
>>545548906metal headed maces didnt even exist till the wide use of plate mail
>>545550132OH SHIT YOU LIKE DUCKTALES TOO??
>>545550337what if your enemy hugs you then?!?
>>545550132swap the places of the sword under Scrooge with the katana
>>545550132I'd ran away
You're relaxing at the tavern when this huge piece of metal comes up and slaps your liege-lord. What do you do?
>>545550485then you return the hug, don’t be autistic
>>545550573so are you hiring?>>545550580kek
>>545548906I want to like maces but they often have such a shit moveset
>>545550710the moment he leans to grab the axe the other should have closed in already or taken cover
>>545548906>a challenger approaches
Warhammers/maces were mostly a novelty meme usable from horseback but that's about it. Your shitty short stick can't penetrate armor all that well, is too short to accelerate the bits real good on the foot, and will always be outranged by every weapon. Polearms with axe/hammer heads had much more success because the leverage was actually serious, and it still could stab with decent control (not your ghetto pointy bits on one handed maces are not anywhere near good enough for anything other than hoping the opponent gouges his eyes on it himself). Sword was really the dueling choice unless you really fall for the meme of bringing something that wasn't true two hander like Montante or Zweihander against polearm but without shield and without armor. Spears are overrated by HEMA because they outrange everything there on rules that are basically first to score any hit being the winner, and even then heather shield duels are most often 5/10 or 6/10 in favor of sword. Spear biggest problem has always been that you need to stab quick and efficiently before anyone can close on you, and armor or even just bad lucky with what you hit would effectively let anyone close in much more efficiently. There is a reason why they kept evolving into various polearm designs that often make the tip heavier = worse for stabbing in favor being able to use chops.
>>545551047overdesigned piece of shit
>>545549067Me and 500 of my buddies with pikes >>>> Spears
>>545551364I mean usually, it's more of a hammer but sirthis is a weapon, not an anime characterI can try adding some belts to it I guess
God, imagine how satisfying it must've felt to cave in some fag's breastplate
>>545550132Ehhhh anon-kun are you a virgin??
>>545551646ye, expect you can't
>>545551693Heh, not for much longer.
>>545551559it looks like this
>>545549067>get moderately thick shield and some layered cloth>run up and hit you on the head with my heavy stick.
>>545550132>spear has no guardEnjoy losing your weapon, loser
what's up fuckers
For me it's the shishpar
>>545551990>layered cloth>vs a spearnigger what are you doing
>>545552118you're trying to make an omelette with that?
>>545552160Shield is gonna stop any direct piercing, the cloth is for mobility and gracing cuts, which things like gamberson and the like excel at.
>>545552102>game has balanced weapons>some retard brings out OP DLC shit and ruins the gamesick and tired of you faggots
>>545552281>gambersonShield is fine, the cloth isn't doing you any favors and you clearly aren't very familiar with the subject.
>>545552481you clearly don't know the strangth of the gunmberson
>>545552481Are you dense?
>>545550132let us see that longsword anon, looks like a cutie
>>545548906You made a mistake there anon it's supposed to be: Hammers > Maces > Axes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sword >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>spear fag
>>545552583Are you? Full plate lets you be very agile
>>545548906Spears > Maces > Axes > Swords
>>545552196kek>>545552118sounds like some faggy indian dildo
>>545552747By the time of full plate firearms were powerful to dab on almost every weapon and spears had to become a ridiculous retarded weapon acting entirely as a mobile barricade.Second I'm not gonna touch upon the fact that it's several thousand times more expensive but layered cloth would still allow you to be light on your feet while doing the only reason you would have it on: Stop cuts.
>>545550132i would suck you dick
>>545553276The cheap armor isn't leather armor, you dumbass. It's mail.
>>545552356>MMO is ruined by the chinesewhat a surprise
>>545553343>leather>gamberson>mail>cheapI'm being baited, well you know what, pretending to be an idiot still makes you a idiot. Fuck you.
>>545553530>haha I change "cheap" between absolute terms and relative terms as I see fit!fuck off retard
What are some games that do melee weapon combat right?
>>545553561You're the smoothbrain who thinks gambesons are made of leather and that chainmail is cheap.
>>545553823>now "cheap" is absolute! hehe cant catch me!
>>545553687Mordhau is fun for a good Larp, shame the community is so trash
>short range and will get your hand cut off >versus longer range weapon that you can also use to defend yourself with and has multiple ways to attack
>>545553854go back to bed Gunderson
>>545550225It mean you suck at using a spear and let the enemy got close
>this shit saves my life huh?>better skimp on it
>>545548906for me its the biggest sword one can possibly get
You DO own guns, and aren't just using melee weapons to cope, right /v/?
>>545548906swords have longer reach, axe fags can throw their axes, but only have one left or zero left. thus getting owned by sword
>>545549976because i've actually used ancient weaponry. one of the main things that makes people think spears are any good in spite of having sparred with them is because they arent sharp.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FfmBMa-1EQ&ab_channel=BloodandIronHEMAsharp things get stuck in shit, so anyone with a shield can leverage some control over the spear once theres an enagement. Anyone with full armor to the point that they dont use a shield is practically invulnerable to spears.Spears are very useful weapons, but they arent the kings of 1v1
>>545554035>parries your shotswhat you gonna do now amerimutt?
>>545549067fuck off, no one invited you. Spearshitters are the water fags of gamer fuel threads.
>>545549426hammers that big are practically unusable and have an incredibly poor reach. these designs tend to be based on mauls, which were made out of wood. Steel hammerheads for war were a lot smaller, and you didnt really need that much more power than what you got out of those. Even then they are horribly off-balance and make it very difficult to defend with them.
>>545549207It fucks up their armor but doesn't kill them. Fair cause.
>>545554035No honest citizen should have any reason to own a firearm in the modern world.
Warhammers > axes > swords > gay spiked ball macesI mean real warhammers not homosexual massive two-handers
>>545549578if youre involving ranged weapons you should really be adding bows. early firearms were inferior to bows, but it was a lot more cost effective since they required very little training. 200 expensive but effective bows vs 1000 less effective but cheap guns tends to leave the guns as the victor. earlier guns were also not capable of piercing plate armor.
>>545554270>hunting>nightkin>uppity governmentsPlenty reason to own several.
>>545549907https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueXkNo95jlI&ab_channel=AlcestedeT%C3%B4tesG%C3%A6iRulfRthe speculated way vikings combined their axes with their shields was a real eye-opener, and explains why their swords werent designed to parry as much either. Very clever method of fighting
>>545554325You're completely forgetting the psychological aspect of facing 50 boomsticks. The noise, smoke, and smell will utterly decimate morale.
>nobody here going clubbin'shame
>>545550132do you actually use these? the shield looks like a LARPy piece of shit, and the katana doesnt fit in at all
>>545554270>doesn't believe in the right of self-defense
>>545549578>you with virgin flintlock pistol vs me with chad pointy stick>you shoot at me>miss because your pistol doesn't have sights>you reload by pouring powder down the barrel, then seating a ball, then ramming it, replacing the ramrod then cocking to half cock and priming the pan, then closing the pan and hammer to full cock>misfire because your powder was wet>yfw
>>545554424which was their primary purpose in the very early days, they werent very effective at killing till much later. You are correct but I dont think anything I said disagrees with that.
anyone here use daggers?
>>545554605Nah. They're for decoration, but they're fully functional. At best I'd scout carry the dagger on the back of my battle belt.
>>545551559This haiku sucks. It doesn't even follow the 5, 7, 5 pattern.
>>545554621>defending yourself with a weapon that has 6+ roundsAre you defending yourself or trying to slaughter?
>>545552753>>545553019what's with the bear paw? you're not a furry...right?
>>545550337based shaka zulu>notices african tribes in battle never actually close with the enemy, they always hide behind their 12 foot long spears and poke at each other until they get tired and go home>gives order to cut all his men's spears to 3 feet>his men now forced to close inside the enemy's spear range and actually kill the enemy>rout the enemy, win every battle and unite the continent until the white man shows up with guns
>>545554676G U N S P E A R
>>545554715be careful with those things, a lot of decorative swords just have a shitty tang spot welded on. Trying to swing those things just breaks the weld and sends a sharp piece of steel flying.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHrmQD2Ll28&ab_channel=CombatConactual cutting stuff can be pretty fun. If I had a yard i'd do it more often.
>>545554897get the fuck outta here with your anime weapons
>>545548906>Paradoxica>The Savior>Terminus Est>Rare Jeweled Foil with Inc Phys. and CriticalClearly swords are superior to axes in PoE.
>>545554821The forge's emblem.>>545554938I mean that I have them for decoration, but they're fully functional. I've paid good money to get proper steel and construction.
>>545554757>>545554757You wouldnt kill a criminal inside you house?are you white?
>>545554757>he does not know how many times it takes to kill someonefor example>missing your shots>having to shoot to kill>reloading time if you missim guessing you've never shot a gun before, its not like in your bideo gaymes, son.
I want to like axes in games but retarded brainlet devs always model them after the tool in their back yard which is just a big weight made for dropping on pieces of wood, and then they make them even more fucking massive and unwieldy.I just want a good dane axe.
>>545555008That's called a buttstock.
>>545555008cool light sabre
>>545554757>multiple nightkin>methmonsters>the nightkin you missed
>>545555054im sure hes probably a eurocuck
>>545549067based, redpilled, /thread
>>545554270no state has the right to decide what I can or can't own, or how I defend myself from an aggressor
>>545549976Because it's boring to the observer. Medieval swordplay can have lots of fun grappling and reversals and exciting clashes whereas spears are just "i continue trying to keep you out of close range and stab you"
>>545555201this looks like one of those highly impractical weapons that zombie apocalypse fanboys would jerk off to, like the baseball bat with nails in it
>>545554757If I were as gay as you, I would seriously consider suicide. Are you a weak piece of shit? Do you even have muscles? Have you ever had to defend yourself from other people? Why are you like this? Fucking kill yourself faggot. People should be able to have a fucking machinegun mounted inside their house if they wanted. If they can pay for it they should be able to own it. Tanks, planes, aircraft carries, you name it. The government is run by limp dicked faggots who tries to bully other people. The people should have arms. More arms then the government could realistically compete with.
>>545552281>Shield is gonna stop any direct piercingNo one is going to poke your shield, anon.They are going to hook it and stab you in your dumb face without a helmet.
>>545554351You forgot plain fun
>>545555372you underestimate my power
>>545555627Well, yes, but that can be applied to literally anything you find interesting.
>>545554719why are you disrespecting his artistic license bigot?
>>545551646Gods I was fat back then!
>>545555390>implying your house-mounted machinegun means jack fucking shit in the age of infra-red guided missiles launched from a site to literally any location on the planet earth>implying you're going to shoot down the unmanned drone the government would actually use to level your house with you in it the second you actually tried to pull your Waco Texas bullshit B-B-B-UT DUH GUBMENT THO!? Look at this fucking NRAinlet and laugh. You think Gun=Muh Freedom but with the same voice you praise leaders that represent the death of Land Ownership like Diddling Donald. Remember how you said you'd consider suicide if you were as gay as >>545555390You're considerably gayer. Consider the decisions that made you such a faggot.
>>545553906how is it trash?
>>545550132Scrooge Mcduck really brings the over-all theme together in a rather eloquent way
>>545555932>STILL VOTING FOR TRUMP NUCK FIGGERS>okay but what about playing the objective>WOW LOOK AT THIS SNOWFLAKE HAD TO DO IT TO EM BOYS>yeah okay I'll go play for honor insteadIf I wanted to know your stupid political LARP I'd probably just end my life because it would be a sign I truly had nothing more interesting to live for. Please let me know how fucking based and redpilled you are in this video game about pushing a cart up a hill. Mordhau chat is filled with edgy teenagers and MIGApedes even now.
>>545555910>represent the death of Land Ownership like Diddling Donald.the fuck are you talking about anime tranny?
>>545556164you must be playing on american servers. european ones are nothing like that
>>545556164Maybe go play games for girls if you can't handle men's banter.
>>545555910>mplying your house-mounted machinegun means jack fucking shit in the age of infra-red guided missiles launched from a site to literally any location on the planet earthAh yes, because every government wants to rule a nation of corpses and bombed-out rubble.
>HURRRRRRRRR SPEAR GOODUh. No. Spears are only good if you are fighting in a clump with others who have shields and spears. Most battles in medieval times were usually urban skirmishes and the occasional big battle was mostly settles with arrows. People didnt meet in a fucking huge flat field with no elevation for bows to settle scores. Only in extreme rare occasions did that happen.Most battle were fought in and for towns. Most often after a siege or a raid.When an weapons-enthusiast start raving about muh spears, it is a huge sign that they are fucking retarded. Swords were more practical.
>>545556164Sounds based and freedompilled. Maybe you should dilate and contribute 41% more to your objective instead of seething about fun communities
For me, it's the Halberd.
>>545556164yeah you sound like a libtard snowflake sorry :/
Reminder that nobody needs assault weapons for self defenceInstead we should all carry a brace of flintlocksAnd should a ruffian halt your carriage upon the highway and prithee STAND AND DELIVERWith veritable aim and forthright bearing you must level your pistol and draw your rapier upon thine assailantAnd give forth the cry AVAST YE CUR>just as the founding fathers intended
>>545556348>lol maybe if you were a mature adult you'd be a McFascist like memaybe if you were a mature adult you wouldn't play video games
>>545550275>btfo'd by a knife on a stickthat's even worse than being a knife on a stick
>>545556614I used a suppressed M&P 15-22 for HD because I like my hearing.
>>545556654Trump wasn't a fascist, you absolute cockmongler. Fascism requires a dictator, so you can't remove a fascist through elections.
>>545556564extremely aesthetic choice
>>545549301Based halberd chad
>>545556614I'll rig several Giradoni air rifles into a Gatling gun-like contraption instead.
>>545554890Until he's betrayed by his own kin* Impi held heir own against britbongs for a while under Shaka's reign
>>545556836>literally tried to overthrow the government when he lost the election>the people he conned into attempting a coup were a bunch of NatRifleRetards and Confeddies>still claiming the election was stolenYou can't remove a competent fascist through elections, no, just like you can't remove a competent democracy with a McInsurrection. It says less about the political leaning of Trumpeteers and more about the competency of him and his followers.Sorry you're all so fucking worthless.
>>545557110>literally tried to overthrow the government when he lost the election
>>545557172>Y-Y-YOU'RE NOT PLAYING ALONG WITH THE 4CHAN EXLUSIVE NARRATIVE WE ALL PUSHED AND AGREED ON IN /pol/!!dumb frogposter
>>545557110>literally tried to overthrow the governmentNo, he didn't.Trump wasn't, and never will be, a fascist.
>>545554995*rolls an 83 elder siege axe**earthquakes u, applying a 3.5mil dps bleed* Nothin personnel, shitcore swordie
>>545557252You're trying too hard, anon.
>>545557110you will never be a woman, everyone thinks you're a freak and hopes you kill yourself
>>545557110>literally tried to overthrow the government when he lost the election>the people he conned into attempting a coup were a bunch of NatRifleRetards and Confeddies>still claiming the election was stolenNone of this, true or not, is fascism.
>>545557295Ok so Pence just throws out the votes and so Republicans by the voice of Republicans alone decide that Trump should just be the President, since they don't think the vote was valid.What's it then if not overthrowing the government?
>>545557252>/pol/fucking nigger always bringing up pol. a female you will never be.
>>545557415you will never touch a woman
>>545548906>>545549067*barricades thine pass*
>>545557559I'm married kek, women respond to confident chads like me
>>545554270quite oppositein current world all honest citizens should be armedthe not so honest one should be disarmed
>>545557559You will never have two X cromossomes no matter what tho
>>545557548>we're not /pol/>only THE NIGGERS talk about /pol/>also HOW DARE YOU SPEAK ILL OF OUR CHAD GAME MODHAUI rest my case
the weapon is a tool, what truly defines victory is the condition of the battlefield:group with ranged capabilities > armored group > unarmored group
>>545557036>skrewdriver slips>boss healthbar appears
>>545548906It’s funny, because in real life it works the opposite way.
>>545554270Nah. That's pussy shit. Get a gun. Learn how to use it, faggot.
>>545558281>I posted the gamer word again, mom>I'm such a chad
>>545558379you must be new here
>>545558379Nigger is the gamer word, you faggot.
>>545558582take out the ht and you'll understand what he means
>>545554270If your neighbour is able to have a gun that can instantly kill you, the only logical conclusion is to have one yourself too to protect yourself.If guns were banned and almost impossible to get illegaly, and the worst thing out there a thug could get was a knife, sure. But owning one is the right thing to do with how things are now, wether you like it or not.
>>545558861>ITT Americans talk out their assholesWhen everyone shoots each other the only solution is to shoot more! More! MORE!
>>545558379He didn't say the gamer word, if you think calling a fag a fag is edgy then you need to spend less time in whiny academia and more in the field
>>545558379you mean Nigger? Nigger?
>>545558861>If guns were banned and almost impossible to get illegaly, and the worst thing out there a thug could get was a knife,Why the fuck would a thug care about the law?
>>545554270I'm not an honest citizen
>>545548906Axes in Valheim are SHIT for combat.
>>545550710Is that the ywnbaw guy?
>>545551824Don't do it, you have so much to live for.
>>545558582I wouldn't worry about it.
>>545556865Ackshually, that's a poleaxe. Halberds are distinct.
>>545548906Ask me how I know you are a snownigger.
>>545549067Spears are weapons for levee and militia troops.They require no skill and are only effective when used en masse and preferably in formation.You and all those that responded in agreement are idiots.
>>545558861>with how things are now...in America.Literally the rest of the world don't have 20k homicides and suicides that had guns involved
>>545560690Spear is the best duel weapon that's not a fucking gun.
>>545561019If you are fighting in a 70s kung fu movie sure.In the ancient world it was the phalanx , not the spear, that was the important factor.In the old world it is a weapon for fodder.Spearfags are the worst.
>>545558972>When everyone can kill each other the solution is to don't be the only one who can'tYes. Not saying you have to be a gun nut or that you can't argue about the laws and try to improve things, but in the meantime having one is just common sense.>>545559094They don't, but the law could be enforced in such a way the average shithead cant get one.
>>545561724Very kino weapon
>>545562105Was that a fucking pun
>>545561713And for the purposes of videogames, spears are better off being an aesthetic option for polearm/halberd fags
>>545549067Preach it, brother.
>>545561985>but the law could be enforced in such a way the average shithead cant get one.How? Please, detail how exactly the law can be enforced in such a way as to prevent criminals from obtaining a weapon through criminal means.
>>545562206I would never do such a thing
What melee weapons are the final meme? Rapier and halberd?
>>545550132Shield looks like shit.
>>545557542Now you're concocting retarded headcanon that has nothing to woth facism. No the DC protest is not a coup despite you tranny biden voter like to pretend it is.
>>545555715Modern art by bored duke or actual weapon? Seems like something "that guy" would wield into battle and all the other knights would cringe.
>>545557941m8, you're the 1st retard to be butthurt about Mordhau's community because it's /pol/(when it's literally not)
>>545554132Not that anon, but id use explosive/flechette ammo. Parry that.
>>545548906>>545549067Do you enjoy being objectively wrong?
>>545557071Remember to wear your cowboy boots, they prevent radiation poisoning.
>>545558972The American condition: if there's a chance no matter how slim or unlikely it is to happen to me personally or anyone I know, I'll defend to the death the right to it. The dream: Even though I am dirt poor, and remain dirt poor, and my family and children will likely be dirt poor, the possibility one of them might be rich one day means I will defend to the death the right of the rich not to pay money to the government.Guns: As above but replace "rich" with "might be attacked by criminals" and "poor" with "far more likely to shoot ourselves, or our kids, or our wives" Note that I am not saying this is good or bad, it is simply programmed into the American to think this way. To spin it positively they firmly believe in being optimistic about the promise of liberty. I don't need to spin it negatively.
>>545561019>Spear is the best duel weaponObjectively wrong. Stop basing your opinion on spars between idiots who are strenously trying to NOT harm each other.
>>545549415>being so weak you cant pull it out his bodyngmi even with a mace if youre that weak
>>545563278>Objectively wrongHow nice of you to preface your statement with that.
>>545549976>why do people deny this?Because it is simply not true for most combinations of weapons and protective equipment.
>>545562442Heavily limit it's production and moreso it's distribution. You can argue that 'hurr durr if it exists it will be stolen', and you'd be technically right, it can't be stopped 100%, but the point is it gun crimes would be far far less frequent. You think nothing could be done to improve the situation?
>>545558972white america has a lower (violent) crime rate than France
>>545562767I am not even american>headcanon Trump literally said that Pence should discard votes and pretend they never happened so either they end up heading to House state representation voting which would give him presidency. That has nothing to do with "protest" whose whole point was literally going up there and stopping the vote counting process either way in the hopes that you can again pretend voting never happened so they can do whatever to deny Biden's win.
>>545548906depends, is the opponent armored and what are they armored with?
>>545563630>but the point is it gun crimes would be far far less frequent.Gun restrictions result in rise of violent crime without fail.
>>545562935lantern shield, spikey piece of armor to protect pilgrims and make sure the lantern carrying person is never unarmed or defenseless because fuck bandits
>>545563746even if you take all of that to be true, that isnt facsism. Facism is a very specific ideology with very specific ideals and ideas on how to structure government.
>>545563278>spars between idiots who are strenuously trying to NOT harm each other??? spears are godtier defensive/keepout/poking weapons what the fuck do you expect them to do charge headlong like a retard? >>>/out/
>>545558379holy shit how newyoure not actually this triggered by the word faggot, right?
>>545557641this. only white people should be allowed to own guns.
>>545563643wanna hear a funny secret? if you isolate solely the white population of america, you have crime rates that are on par with some of the best countries in europe and intelligence scoring on par with japan. crazy how that works.
>>545564079okay spears can get stuck in or deflected by shields but then again what doesn't? you don't really have a point here unless you're meaning shields are the best dueling weapons
>>545563969Sure if you want to be pedantic it isn't fascism, Trump is way too slimy for a solid ideological base, but it's still authoritarian-dictatorial measure that goes against the constitution. It's just that Americans love to use communism and fascism as buzzwords, and in the first place I am only here to deny that it wasn't an attempt to overthrow the democratic process and I am not connected to the reply chain about Mordhau.
>>545564458anything with a shorter hilt can be moved around with the wrist with much greater ease, with a shield and a spear all you can really do is thrust. With both hands on a spear you are still largely limited to thrusting. An axe or a sword in particular is meant to give you a lot of options for engaging or disengaging.
>>545564079>>545554126Are you fucking retarded?Tell me what purpose is there in stabbing a motherfucking shield?
>>545564458Spear's problem is that it has deadzone when you come too close where you either get a sword or try to use it as an unwieldy staff. Deflection lets you do just that and close the distance, which for sword user isn't death sentence because you can still pull back and defend, but for a spear even if you can immediately defend yourself against a counter attack you still end up with someone way too close to properly use your weapon.
>>545563859So gun crimes are far less frequent which is what we are talking about. You can argue there'd be worse violent crimes. Other studies argue against it. Either way, it's another problem you can try to tackle with other laws and ways. But the law can be enforced in such a way as to prevent most criminals from obtaining a weapon
>>545548906based and axepilled
>>545564703People with shields tend to try and put them between themselves and sharp things used by their enemies
>spend hours grinding and sharpening your weapon>kill a few men>fancy bladed weapon is no longer sharp somehow
>>545548906>>545549067Every skeleton in any game with damage type resists laughs at both of you
>>545564858>weapon blunt>have to go to the blacksmith again to sharpen your stick>pay the blacksmith his due using the loot from the war >blacksmith is happy and can expand his business>kingdom's GDP goes upWar is good for economy.
>>545564006>spears are godtier defensive/keepout/poking weapons(a)No, they absolutely aren't, see>>545554126(b)In real fights there was no "keepout" or "poking". In 99% of cases they either were decided by push of bodies (and that if one side did not break before contact, which, evidence suggests, was more common than not) or were chaotic brawls in confined spaces, like walltops, rooms or ships' decks. Duels outside of war, of course, were an exception, but you're not going to haul a spear on your shoulder when going about your business just because someone may push you and thing may devolve into a duel.(c)Most people who used spears, threw them at the enemy. A few exceptions, primarily Greeks of the classical age, stabbed with them. However hoplite fighting was one of the cases of the above-mentioned press of bodies. It required no special training whatever, only equipment, group cohesion and general athleticism.
>>545564858reject pointy steelembrace wooden clubs
>>545565031Skeletons are a shit tier enemy in most games. You can beat them with a pebble anon, no need to minmax
>>545554270Literally the second ammendment exists to keep the GOVERNMENT honest, if your entire population is armed to the teeth.
>>545554035>o/uyou forgot to include the your bloody tampons in the picture you fucking woman
>>545555482When one pair of white leather boots wasn't enough.
>>545564746If you have both hands free to handle the spear there's no deadzone even if the distance is skin on skin.
>>545565374O/U's are vastly superior to SxS's
>>545564836Yes, that's why people with sharp things tend not to flail said things mindlessly in the general direction of people with shields.When you see a goalkeeper standing dead in the centre of the goals, are you going to shoot the ball at him too?How do you think fighting against a person with a shield works? Hitting the shield until it breaks? Are you dumb?
>>545548906Maybe for throwing
>>545556564halberd are the best medieval weapon
>>545565727the image is wrongits pollaxe not poleaxe
>>545565489the only good thing that piece of shit will ever hopefully do is help you blow your brains out like the nirvana guy
>>545565472No, in fact can't pull spear that far back because you would end up with like a meter of wood sticking out in the back ready to get stuck on anything and more importantly hampering your weapon's agility with entirely useless inertia because every rotation has to also rotate entirely useless counter weight in the back. It would also shift the point of balance for the weapon. It's just entirely useless in practice and even switching hands and pulling spear back would expose you to a stab in the gut.
>>545550710pov: there's a tranny in your sight
>>545565850seethe more, cowpoke
>>545557036>if these two halves touch, you 100% die>this dude: jabbing at the thing with a fucking screwdriverWas there ever a dumber smart person?
>>545554270No honest citizen should need protected speech. No honest citizen should demand a warrant from the police. Shit why do we need any civil rights? We're honest citizens.
>>545565616do you really thing someone with a shield will just stand there while you try to stab them? they just need to defend effectively once and apply pressure for your spear to be stuck in his shield
>>545557036>>545557071>>545558226>>545566012>>545563091Be careful, dude, if those two plates meet with any force whatsoever, you'll flat out fucking die the most miserable death imaginable.That guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8TWn4aTpOc
Warhammer for knights, spear for literally everything else. >You're a knight, get cocky and don't see the lowborn footman with a spear planted in the ground>Violently thrown from horse, very unsporting, you begin get up>CLANK CLANK, YOU DIED>Footman got you right in the back of the head with the piercing point on his warhammer>nooooo not my plate armorinooo>it should be illegal for peasants to own assault hammers, theres literally NO reason you should have that!!!!get fucked m'lord
>>545565885I dunno, spear shafts are pretty light. Also, spears are used almost exclusively to stab so the useless shaft butt won't be a problem unless, of course, you're in particularly enclosed space.
>>545554229But damn if that does not look right as all hell
>>545549067Fucking clueless mate. One good slap with *anything* creates a huge gap for me to enter your personal space (hope you have a REAL weapon too).
>>545564504The democratic process was overthrown when vertical blue lines started appearing in the middle of the night after telling everyone to go to bed.
>>545566639Shafts are light but they are also long, there is one optimal hands position that's natural and gives you leverage, and either moving both hands forward trying to spread them just lessens the agility of the weapon, which is why every HEMA experience no matter how lopsided at distance ends up with the spearman basically giving up if the distance is closed. It's more of property of swords where you usually hold them with very little leverage (hands on the handle and small distance between them, or one hand and only wrist rotates them), but can switch to spear like grip that makes the sword look like an extremely short spear that can actually stab up really close.
I can't wait for Kingdom Come 2, where the REAL champions of the battlefield come into the forefront.
>>545554017Based. Two handed swords are>beautiful>effective in almost every situation>fun to watch>show off how strong you areTruly the most chad of weapons
>>545566242Anon, how do you think the physics work?For the spear to stuck in the shield you have to stab the shield.You don't stab shields, anon.Shields are used to preemptively cover an angle of approach. Do you think you actively fucking "block" attacks with it? In a duel? Your opponent is not a retard they won't be wasting their strength stabbing your shield as that achieves literally nothing.They will hook your shield and stab you in your throat, they'll feint an attack above your shield and target your legs.Your arm and your reaction speed is slower than that of a spear thrust. You will be able to deflect a thrust with your shield but if you have enough time to move the shield to such a position a spear could stuck in it, it means there's even more time for the attacker to redirect their thrust.And just FYI:1) it's hilariously easy to dislodge a stuck spear because you have all the leverage in the word2) Relying for shit to get stuck in your shield is a terrible combat plan for a variety of reasons, one of them being wood grain3) Spears can actually break through most wooden shields. Sure replying on that in combat is a dumb fucking idea but sounds like a perfect answer to your dumb fucking proposition.
>>545568227>game implements 2h sword>it's just unga smash>all skills are unga smash>no parry skills since you're dedicated unga smasher>no fast attacks since you're unga smasher >no techniques since you're unga smasher
>>545563746>I am not even americanEven fucking worse, you'd believed their retarded jewish msm story wholesale. There was never any instance of denying votes from the republican party. Just some followers riling up faggots but that hasn't been a crime or a coup in any country.
>>545549067I fucking hate spears in mordhau FUCK SPEAR USER
>>545550132Really like that katana or whatever. It does clash with everything else though. Should print the scrooge onto the shield.
>>545565885No, in fact you can. Effortlessly so. Spears are also highly mobile when short-gripped due to all the leverage you get.The only situations where you can't really short-grip the spear is when you're in the woods or have your back against a wall.
>>545564792>So gun crimes are far less frequent which is what we are talking aboutDetroit unironically has a higher rate of gun crimes than Texas
>>545565797>its [modern name] not [modern name]What a fag.
>>545568512It's really unfortunate. Many IRL methods of wielding 2H swords have a certain elegance to them, but people see them as nothing more than sharp clubs. I can barely think of any game that uses them properly, with only something like a few Dark Souls greatswords and the Dark Knight from BDO coming to mind.
>>545548906>Maces>Worse than SwordsSilence
>>545569223>Dark Souls greatswords>Literally hitting ground almost every swingWhat?
>>545568325https://youtu.be/ni-h8SH1yUw?t=399Yes in fact you do actively block with about anything. Stabbing takes time for spear to travel the given distance which gives you time to adjust your shield or use your weapon bat the stab off. Feints like anything can fail, either because the opponent didn't take the bait or you overcommitted to the feint and he was able to guard the real blow too.>>545569023Nah they are not
>>545569243>Raise mace>he blocks with sword out of instinct>smash his sword into pieces and the follow through smashes his head in one swingGG
>>545569243Based Mace enjoyer. I like fucking huge mace.
what if you put a mace head onto a sword
>>545569458There are certain greatswords (small) that have a moveset that looks like they copied from Montante. I remember the Mirrah/Hollowslayer Greatsword having it.
>>545569526>Not a single direct stab at the shieldAre you fucking retarded?Are you?Not to mention, that's spear + shield which is entirely different fucking thingAnon, just be honest, are you dumb or something?
>>545569842What if I put a mace upon your head?
Axes = Swords = Daggers
>>545569458https://youtu.be/EAdokfuI0qMSkip to the 2H portion. It seems like it still hits the ground quite a bit, which is unfortunate.
>>545564792it may be true that gun crimes rate fall off but other violent crime rise ont.bongmanwe banned guns and now people stab each other with screwdrivers and honest people can go to jail or get fined for having tools need for their work on them
>>545569962I literally gave you timestamp of ithttps://youtu.be/8AK-WaBy0GM?t=162Here's another fucking time stamp and with a larger shield and just a two handed spear.Without fail when dueling against a shield no matter how much you want it there is always a decent chance that you fail to avoid the shield between it covering the good bits you want to stab and you pulling gymnastic to get to the other good bits that are harder to stab.
>>545550225there's no such thing as closer than spear range, you just hold the shaft higher up
>>545563737did maceman fuck your mom or something?
>>545570404That's a way to accidentally hit people behind you.
>>545570501based now no enemy can sneak up on me
>>545568325when you attempt to stab someone where their shield isnt, the odds of them moving that shield to block there is practically guaranteed. If you look at the video, its even possible to block with a cloth laid or wood edges buckler, a tool designed explicitely around deflecting.How do you intend to hook anything with a spear? How fast do you think feints are? and if you dont dedicate to an attack, you realize that leaves you vulnerable to counter attack right? most feints do things like cut short or bait the enemy into a specific defense, and utilize the momentum from that to quickly attack from another angle, With spears you are limited to thrusting and cant really utilize the momentum from one thrust into another.When using a shield, I have to move it very little for it to cover my, and if you thrust low it is even assisted by gravity. scots specifically fought with their shields high beause of how easy it was to move the shield down for defense.You cannot utilize leverage when your enemy presses the advantage, his forward movement keeps the tip lodged in the wood. Shields generally didnt break easily.
>>545570598The problem is behind you are supposed to be your allies.
>>545568512>2h sword>it weighs 500 pounds>1h sword>it weighs 0,5 pounds
>>545565797it was axe used by Medieval Poles not by medieval polls you faggot
>>545570662"supposed to be"Well Jerry's been looking at my wife a bit too longingly so fuck'em.
I gonna fucked you guy up with this
>>545568151I AM FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRE
>>545570662then his spear will cover my short range over my shoulder duh
>>545570662Who will stab the guy for you. The ones even further back hold their spears up to help deflect arrows.
>>545570292You don't seem to understand what I'm saying.None of these attacks were directed at the shield. Shield was not in place in time for the attack to hit it directly.The shield was moved into the thrust as it was happening which of course is a common thing.The problem is, all that does is deflecting the weapon. You will never get a spear to stuck in a shield like that, even if the head is aligned perfectly along the grain.I'm not saying shields are magically ineffective against spears. I'm saying that your pitch about spears getting stuck in shield is retarded to its core. Unless the spear was thrown, of course.
>>545548906maces are shitaxes are good for slash (its only use)sword are good for piercingIn technical terms, sword are superior. Thrusting is better then slashing and it places you in a defensive positionIn fact, polearm and shield are really good and would be my weapon of choice
>>545571158thats because they arent using sharps. see the demonstration in >>545554126 how easy it is for any point to get stuck in wood.
Any games that feature rapier & dagger style?
>>545571492mordhau. Rapier used to be meta because how unreadable it was.
the halberdkeks fear the hook shield
>>545571324also, you can throw it at your enemy if need be
>>545571158Bruh you just said >Shields are used to preemptively cover an angle of approach. Do you think you actively fucking "block" attacks with it? In a duel?In fact various especially small shields are precisely used for that. As for getting stuck that's another thing entirely, and the point is not getting tip completely stuck, but just getting a clinch that lets you move in which can happen from both deflection and a tiny bit of stickiness so you can control the weapon in the sense of being able to prevent it from going around the shield just for a sliver of the second. More importantly there is also a point about how in blunt or rubber HEMA many hits can be scored by the spear still making contact after deflection from the shield, while under sharpened weapons circumstances those would either stop at the shield with or without getting stuck, or lose all of the energy needed to score a stopping blow after going around the shield.
>>545571324axes hack, blades cut. swords are good because theyre are multifunctional and a balanced blade can easily rotate and be used for offense as much as defense. Swords are "better" because it gives you more options in more scenarios. If you know what youre up against you can specialize and use a weapon that best fits the scenario, but swords were always carries as sidearms because of how versitile they are.
>>545570881BORN THOSE WHO DARE CARED FOR ME
>>545570625spear is team weapon and you usually stab a guy not at front but at your right
>>545571794BurnI need to sleep
>>545549067And there goes the battle
>>545569842Blade would break in 1 swing unless the sword was really thicc
>>545569801i severely dislike maces and hammers in all forms, because i think they are ugly, however your pic is literally my top 5 type of mace and i think it's aesthetic as fuck, explain this.
>>545572001Sleep for 800 hours per day
>>545572001for 800 hours per day
>>545572458I can explain it. You're retarded and don't understand physics because you've consumed so much fantasy material in your life that a real mace, which is a fantastic weapon, is unappealing to you but a ridiculous fantasy mace looks cool
>>545571690Anon, can you read?The point I'm making is that you won't be getting hit with full swings or thrusts directly against your shield.Shields ARE used to deflect shit, not block it. Generally, you only block missiles and thrown weapons because you know the angle they'll be coming at long before they can actually hit you.Bucklers, for instance, used to actively deny an angle of approach and to deflect everything that tries to go around it. You will never fucking block with a buckler because it isn't designed to do that.The whole "but it gets stuck" is a gross exaggeration. The point these people are making that weapons don't just slide off shields like nothing. That doesn't mean they get helplessly glued to them on touch and the attacker fucking dies of cancer immediately. All the "control" the shield has is also available to the spear, in a better form due to having an incomparably better lever. If you "press" into a spear, it will fucking slide off your shield and you will fucking die because sharp spears require no "energy" to kill a man advancing into it.
>>545572458because its 8 axes welded together
>>545572458The mace size matches with its wielder, he's tank anyway, so probably like 2,2m tall.
>>545572376>>545569842it would just flop all over the place. sword blades are very springly to avoid them breaking.
>>545571763two-handed swords often fashioned an extended handle so that you could use it to thrust, basically converting it into a spear
Also, does anyone have that webm where a guy shows how little force is required to cut through flesh with a sharp sword?I think he taps a pig's carcass lightly with it and then shows how deep is the cut.
>>545555482damn, this armor is peak /fa/
>>545572521And drink a liter of milk...
only pagan LARPers hate on swords
>>545548906Halberds are better than all your shit, chud.
>>545573635There is that one TV show where a guy cut clean through a pig corpse with a sword
wait a minute is this technically a veiled /k/ thread?not that im complaining about it
coral handle on a sword
damascus steel saber
>>545572979You're just using block in more strict sense that also skips over anything that isn't 90 degree stab into the shield.> If you "press" into a spear, it will fucking slide off your shield and you will fucking die because sharp spears require no "energy" to kill a man advancing into it.You can also slide the spear in one of the million positions that let you advance past it, and assuming you have a piece of metal in the way of the spear advancing into it won't kill you either. It's not about just helplessness but being able to even feel clinch a bit is a huge boon to the sword, and in fact no, the shield has better leverage on the spear in most cases since your forward facing hand is the pivot point, and in general your hind hand is at distance of either half the spear length (at which point you're also shortening your reach), or lower giving the press on the spear's tip the advantage in rotating the spear.
Anyone have nice pictures of zweihanders? I really like their design.
>>545573635sword is simple machine. It's basically a lever. If gripped properly, the wielder should be able to cut with little effort
remove guns, they are the coward's choice of weapon
>>545572974>guy with spear standing completely still>doesn't attack at spear range, which is the whole point of the stupid stick weaponretarded gif lol
>>545574567This is literally from Bleach
>>545573980>damascus steel That is just pattern welding>saberIf that is saber then i dont know what a saber is>>545574262Literaly go to museum sites like wallace collection, royal armories and many other. They have 100s of pics of swords and everything else.
>>545573579thats specifically a zweihander and those things are pretty heavy for a weapon. the increased hilt length is largely for leverage, not to make thrusting easier. You can thrust with those things as well as you can a normal longsword.
>>545549067>can't even chop wood with a spear
>>545573980thats a falchion
>>545574641The weight of a zweihander is greatly exaggerated in the common mind. They're usually 6-8 pounds at most, which, while heavier than most swords, isn't anywhere close to the hundred pound monsters you often see depicted.Most manuals for zweihanders often incorporate a bit of thrusting, but those are just a bunch of old books.
>>545574147>You're just using block in more strict sense that also skips over anything that isn't 90 degree stab into the shieldWell yes, because that's what more or less required for a spear to get reasonably stuck in a shield.>shield has better leverage on the spear in most casesthis is factually false anon because we're talking about one hand versus two hands on a lever.>You can also slide the spear in one of the million positions that let you advance past itYes, shields are, in fact, aren't useless against spears. I never said they were.It's just "it'll get stuck" argument is dumb and has nothing to do with the effectiveness of a spear against a shield nor does it magically make the spear utterly ineffective - which was a clear implication in the original "it'll get stuck" post.Most weapons are highly ineffective against full armour, spears less so because they generally come with a quarterstaff bundled in.
Anyone ready for diablo 2 remake?
>>545574721You actually can with some. Not very effective but possible.
>>545574567>anime-tier weaponNothing will be worse than this.And I am not about this one in particular but you know what am talking about because you have seen it before somewhere i some weeb game or anime.
>>545575106nigga dipped in oil or acrylic
>>545573635>>>/wsg/3807954>>545574981thats why I said for a weapon, but compared to a longsword in use its very noticable. I know the weight is usually exaggerated, but that doesnt mean its light as a feather either. thrusting is perfectly viable, im just saying they werent specifically designed with that in mind.
>>545575000bannerlord armours feel so ass compared to warband. why is that?
>>545575213there's techniques to just blacken steel and then polish it.
>>545548906Post weapons that deserve more representation.
>>545575250Oh fuck, that's it anon, thank you so much!
>>545575250Man, I fucking love swords. Look at that cut.>>545575154Based AQW poster.
>>545549415Just carry a couple dozen of them. You won't even need armor because if you hang them off your tunic when not using them they'll act as armor.
>>545550225then you have a short sword
>>545575052>>this is factually false anon because we're talking about one hand versus two hands on a lever.The lever only exists because you're putting the pivot point on your forward hand. >It's just "it'll get stuck" argument is dumbI agree that it won't get stuck but there is certain a lot to stickiness and how useful it is for binding the spear and stopping it from gathering for another stab.>spears less so because they generally come with a quarterstaff bundled in.I don't think a build in dagger option in case of sword is less useful than a weapon mediocre at blunt trauma, which sword also can do. In addition it doesn't need to be full armor, but just a breastplate or greaves can make a huge difference in how easy it is to survive the first exchange needed to close distance and put the spear at disadvantage.
>>545574608wasn't there a sword like this in Naruto as well?
>>5455542701. To protect from strangers2. To keep the government in check/defend my rights3. Because it's fun and fuck you.All these answers to this post about why you feel you need guns just scream to me that you live in a shithole where guns are neccesary. Being fun us kind of a decent reason but still seems retarded to me. May as well say 'i modified my car so it goes faster than its designed too so now it can't brake safely. But it's fun so fuck you'
>>545556268>Democratic presidency barely manages to fend off the worst recession in history>An orange retard somehow gets credit for thisI fucking hate Americans.
>>545575438the best part is that that was a pretty weak cut, it looks like it was even a pushing cut, which is even worse at dealing damage than a drawing cut.
>>545575702Have a webm of >>545573857 ?
>>545573857sounds like Cold Steel, they do a lot of demonstrations with really offbalance cuts. its not a great example of a good cut at all but its a fun spectacle.
>>545563862There are women who have XY chromosomes.It's a rare condition where a person's cells can't process testosterone so they develop female. With a vagina and everything.It's an edge case that throws a wrench in the claim that gender is defined by your chromosomes.
/k/fags, is it possible to have mace this big IRL >>545569801 ?
>>545575512>The lever only existsThere are several pivot points involved (binding point, wrist, elbow, shoulder of the defender, front hand on the spear) and for every single of them the spearman is in a better position because of two hands involved, effective leverage to every movement past his forward hand, and the fact that every remaining pivot point works against a long freely moving lever which requires a comparatively higher force exertion for the smaller movement.>a weapon mediocre at blunt traumaA swing to the helmet knocks people out like nothing. You don't even need a full baseball swing for that.You are severely underestimating the blunt trauma a staff can cause and levers in general.A short-gripped spear behaves quite similar to a half-sword. Also, some spearheads can be literally removed for an actual dagger actually bundled in.
>>545548906Me? I'm for the composite bow
>>545576425bro if your body couldnt process testosterone at all i don't think it'd make you a woman. it'd just make you an incredibly fucked up and stunted mutant that didn't develop anything beyond the default female-esque fetus genitals you start with in the womb.like testosterone isn't just the chad chemical, it plays a important role in the female development and hormonal cycle too
>>545576082>>545575886Never mind, I found it.
>>545550132Organize your racks better and youre going to free pussy city playboy.Move the katana to another wall, give it its own space. Organize the shield and swords better. Presentation is key anon.
>>545576449I dont know about all metal ones but then not every mace is all metal. Pic rel is from the the Styrian Armoury, in the Austrian city of Graz.
>needing a weapon when you can just slam niggers with your shield
>>545548906>axe>literally a sword that sucks at defending
>>545569801reminds of the thunder weapon craft in tbc
>>545577138Just put a crossguard on your axe retard.
>>545577030so it's semi possible then? how heavy it would be? how heavy for the wooden ones?
>>545577140I'm sorry bro, that looks nothing like it.
>>545577238similar to a sledgehammer
>>545572458cause its a flanged mace and they're based.
>>545577238I dont know because i have never sew one that was had its weight meassured. But considering how most similar sized weapons dont go past 3-4 kg it probably weights around that 2.5 kg
>>545574623>>545574840to be fair, falchion and sabers are very similarI guess the "defining" factor is the bend on the handle
>>545548906>Swords>Over macesEven a simple chainmail can cuck a swordfag
full metal warhammer and maces are all metal cast right? how tf people solder metals together in medieval age?
>>545549067basedspears are the patrician choice
>>545576876It probably helps that they take estrogen supplements.
>>545578175I know they used forge welding at least for some thing. Also some those that have metal handles can have the inside hollow>>545578027I dont know what that other anon is talking about being a falchion because that has nothing to do with falchions (at least the medieval ones). But to me the mail problems is lenght that looks to short, blade geometry and the knife like hilt>falchion and sabers are very similarSome might be somewhat similar, but there are other are very diferent.
how big are these in cm?
>>545558379i wish i was a cool dog who also, secretly, knew how to use the internet
Artillery >>> all
>>545578945about the size of your keyboard
>>545558582>>545554351YOU WANT TO BUY WIND BRAHMIN?
>>545579274I feel like the middle on the right is around 1.5-1.7 keyboard.
By the way, do subhuman degenerates that say and write "ax" actually exist?
>>545549067Spear in nioh is fun as fuck.
>>545579646ALL YOU NEED IS TWO MEN
>>545550132>a bunch of weapons haphazardly placed on a white wallHopefully she'd slap your shit and force you to hire an interior decorator, you absolute nigger.
>>5455796461v1 ME FORMATIONFAGS AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS
>>545554035isn't the top gun a giant piece of shit and the only reason it saw any sort of use is because it was cheap as fuck?
>>545574601anon it's called a demonstration. they don't put bullet proof vests on real people when they're showing them off/seeing if they work in case someone gets hurt. same concept
>>545554035projectile fags are all cowards
>>545579651ax is singular, axe is nonspecific
>>545576618>There are several pivot points involvedThis is plainly wrong, please reread classic mechanics. The only situation where spearman could have advantage is something like sticking the butt of the spear into the ground. We don't even need to consider any pivots other than whatever we choose since they are all equivalent if the same forces are acting on the object.>You are severely underestimating the blunt trauma a staff can cause and levers in general.I hate this kind of talk when people bring levers where there is no leverage involved>some spearheads can be literally removed for an actual dagger actually bundled in.Yeah just fucking remove the spearhead mid battle anon, that will do great.
>>545549745not to mention glorious gunspear creates a wound that's practically untreatable
>>545580145Depends on when it was produced. Wartime Mosin Nagant rifles are notoriously shit, but peacetime Mosins are good guns with a bit of polishing.
>>545557585I'm going to make a hole in your arm pit and fuck you to death
>>545549067Halberds >>>> spears
>>545555201>>545555008why the FUCK is the smashy/choppy end the same as the gun barrel and not the stock/grip>use melee weapon>now have slightly bent barrel
>>545580145yes. They used to be like $60, but now they cost as much as like 400.
>>545581487>This is plainly wrong, please reread classic mechanicsRight back at you, anon.The fuck are you talking about?A small motion on the short side of a lever results in a big motion on the large side.A large side of the lever allows the short side of the lever to be moved with less force.When the spear is stuck in a shield, that becomes the pivot point. On one side you have at best an arm worth of a lever - generally, there's almost nothing to work with - on the other you have the whole spear.The spearman has to make larger movements on his side but he ultimately has to exert less force to make the other side move.The shieldman theoretically can cause a large movement on the spear side via a small movement of his own but the force required for that is dramatically not in his favour.What you're talking about is the degree of control the shield has over the spear tip, which is, in fact, dramatically in his favour - but all that can amount to is knocking that tip aside and nothing else, because as soon as more "control" is involved we aren't talking about the movement of the spear tip only but the two people joined in a bind.Also, I appreciate the graph but holy fuck your approach to naming variables is fucking retarded.
>>545551056>One of the key advantages the spear holds over the sword is distance. Now, I don’t say “range” here, because obviously a weapon can have immense advantage at longer ranges, but be found to be lacking in close quarters. The spear, on the other hand, can be retracted to any length, allowing it to perform effectively well outside and even well inside the reach of a sword. This means that throughout a fight, the spear wielder would have complete control of distance, as they can keep the sword wielder at bay, with far reaching thrusts and cuts, while simultaneously being able to pull the length back should the sword wielder manage to close in.>Unlike a sword, a spear can change the direction of an attack incredibly quickly, oscillating between the feet and the head with barely any motion. This is because of the length of the spear. Much like a lever, a small amount of motion in the back translates to enormous motion on the front, so a small movement of the arms can extraordinarily quickly bring the weapon to bear on a new target. The result is that parrying a spear thrust or cut, even if you have a shield or buckler, is incredibly difficult. while a swordsman’s arm needs to make an enormous motion going from the head to the feet, it takes little effort on the spearman’s part to make the same transition. The result is that if a swordsman is deceived by a feint for even the tiniest fraction of a second, the spear can already be thrusting into a completely different part of their body. Even if they do manage to catch this, the spearman’s disengage can be made so quickly that any opening the sword wielder leaves will be taken advantage of.(continue)
>>545583981>Contrary to popular belief, the spear is an excellent weapon for parrying. It is speedier than the sword, but it also holds another key advantage - that of leverage. Because of the length of the weapon, and the wide placement of the wielder’s two hands, a spear is incredibly hard to displace. Not only can it easily disengage from a swordsman’s cut or attempt to displace the head, but even at direct contact, a spearman would have little difficult shoving aside a sword blade before lunging in for the kill.>Now, many might think that the solution to this is to cut off the spear’s head, but this is not at simple or easy as it might seem. The blow itself would be difficult to land on the ever moving spear, but even beyond that, it would take significant force, meaning that the blade itself would need to be heavy (and therefore harder to land a blow with) and the perfect angle to prevent it from simply bouncing away. This is a likely occurrence, especially when one considers that the spear is suspended in the air, not supported firmly from underneath. In addition to that, as shown in the picture below, many spears or other polearms had metal langets running down the sides (or were made entirely out of metal), resulting in almost zero chance of the swordsman effectively carrying out a decapitation>Throughout medieval history, the polearm has been the weapon of choice, not only of the foot soldier, but of the military nobles such as the Samurai or Knight. In Japan, the Naginata or Yari was used as a primary weapon in battle over the Katana, and in Europe, Knights would usually carry lances, or other weapons such as the bardiche, only using the sword out of necessity. The sword was known as a “sidearm,” as it was an easily carried weapon in civilian life, and a great backup on the battlefield. However, few soldiers ever charged into battle with only their swords in hand.
>>545583427>>A small motion on the short side of a lever results in a big motion on the large side.And that's exactly why the small motion of shorter side is more exhausting. The longer side in this case is the shieldman.>When the spear is stuck in a shield, that becomes the pivot pointHere's a fun question for you. You call it pivot point, assuming it's the point around which we rotate. Now imagine you rotate your spear around the shield, the tip still stays in contact with the spear and you failed to displace anything else than your side of the spear. The point is that the swordsman doesn't want to move your spear, he wants to keep that one point from moving. Ergo it's in his interest to stop any rotation in which the unmoving pivot is something other than his arm. Just grab a stick and tell me if it's easier to move some kind of dumbell using the "spear" or just by pushing it with your hand. The shield arm is exactly just pushing your spear with its hand versus trying to apply the force through lever. Hell actually move the dumbell with that stick and pay attention to how your arms move. They are not working together, one arm must always push in the opposite direction to become the fulcrum.https://ernstfechten.wordpress.com/2018/04/26/some-observations-on-fiores-spear/> the further away our weapon extends from our body, the poorer our leverage becomes. In order to effectively use a spear for feints or durchwechseln, we need our spear to be extended further away from our body. What this means, however, is that if the opponent is able to displace our spear, we are in a poor position to effectively recover and protect ourselves.
Flail chads ww@?
>>545584189literally not existent. no modern games have them. not even mordhau
>>545552118ah yes, the famous "arabic anal ravager"
>>545555286send ME to the firing squad, will they?
>>545584189We here, get in the wagon bro
>>545584076I am not gonna read this shit>usually carry lancesThe guy literally makes the mistake of downgrading sword due to a specific often single use weapon for cavalry that literally isn't mean to engage opponents on foot. It's typical uneducated spear wankery that doesn't even consider the fact that bigger shields win in HEMA against spears in spite of all the rules needed due to safety are incredible in favor of spears and light dueling.
>>545584482It's in vermintide.>>545584850based
>>545579610 F a s t e r
>>545584857If shields aren't good at what they do, they wouldn't be everywhere. Same for spears
>>545584189flails are so fucking inefficient. I mean, if you hit something, it will do a ton of damage, but if you fail to swing it, it will leave you open
>>545584178Anon, all of that is applicable only to the control over the spearhead, which is, again, is limited to deflecting it because you won't really be able to do anything else the opposing side won't be able to counter.The "control" you're implying is made possible by the bind, using your own example, would be a comparison between moving a dumbell with a long stick when you hold the stick with two hands (spearman moving the shieldman) or by holding the same stick by its very end with a single hand with a terrible grip too (shieldman moving the spearman).The same goes for the quote. Yes, it is true, but it has nothing to do with the magical "bind". It's just saying that knocking the head aside, or in fact, controlling a parried spear is a fairly trivial task. You don't need the bind for that. If you try wrestling with a spear in a "bind" you'll only give the spearman the opportunity to bring it back.Again, the example of stuff getting stuck in the shield was demonstrating said control over swords. Swords literally work the opposite way spears do. Swords rely on the force creating a large movement via leverage, hence when the sword binds, it's in the worst possible position for applying force.The spear works via leverage created by the grip, allowing large movements to be translated into a large force (for fine tip control here). If it's in the contact with the shield, and both of your hands are on the shaft, you can still use the leverage.
>>545586118leaving yourself open is more the result of having all the weight at the business end, you'll get the same shit with axes and maces. The flail has thad disadvantage aswell as it just generally being as dangerous to you as it is the enemy and having less precision to boot.
was lamellar armor effective?
>>545555715is this autistic weapon thread on /k?
>>545585832Sure but the problem is that shield, spear, and sword were everywhere and incredibly popular. Tandems of sword and shield, spear and shield, single of either all happened at least pretty often. Swords as sidearms people often try too hard to say that they were the worst weapon you could reach for if other options were available, or even straight up downgrade sword to just a status symbol. Hell in the late medieval even gigantic swords became popular in multiple places like Spain, Italy, Germany and with dedicated manuscripts to them. That wasn't because there was nothing better to use than sword, that was because sword was just really good without needing specific circumstances.>>545586293>Anon, all of that is applicable only to the control over the spearhead,The whole point of swordsman is to keep the stabby bit from stopping his approach, just simply moving down the shaft is a victory.>by holding the same stick by its very end with a single hand Again swordsman is the dumbell you want to rotate the tip around and get him stabbed in the fact, he just wants to either keep the tip in place of throw it off far enough to leave you open. In both of these cases he has the advantage at the tip of the spear.>you'll only give the spearman the opportunity to bring it back.That's never the point to grab the bit of anything, the point is always to either move past so you throw it off to the side or slide with your shield along the shaft. The advantage in control of the point is paramount as it cuts options from pushing past your shield and now having the stick point in your face, to trying to take a detour by first disengaging and then realigning.>it's in the worst possible position for applying force.https://ernstfechten.wordpress.com/2018/04/14/leverage/>we need to continue to step close to our opponent whenever and wherever we can.Sword tip vs spear tip is a bad situation, the point that you step in closer and try to work better leverage thru ricasso.
>>545584850What's with the bag of rocks?
>>545574684i was curious about this one too. then i saw a video of some nerd demonstrating pro-ninja-moves in the woods and i realized how retarded this weapon is. i mean it's porbably good for quick take-outs but come on
>>545587548No, swords became popular because it is practical for civilian life because of how easy it is to carry for daily life (as well as being expensive enough as a status symbol [hence decorations are more common on them]). Thus because of how much more often you get to bring swords with you, of course there would be a lot of emphasis on describing and learning the ways to use them. Similar case in Japan, especially with more restrictive weapon ban for samurai later on
>>545584857Sword add brain
>>545575702watch this in slow-mo. the attacking guy is moving in a predictable scenario and moving according to the defenders moves
>>545588392of course, this is a demonstration, nor a free sparring exercise. Moving like that *is* a bad habit people tend to develop though.
>>545587548Anon, all of those are valid points but all of that also not something I was arguing against.All these advantages can be capitalized on by deflecting the spearhead with the shield.Spearhead _binding_ to the shield will not magically enable the shieldman to control the entirety of the spear or the spearman himself. For that specific purpose, the shieldman is in the worse position leverage-wise.If anything, an attempt to "capitalize" on the bind by trying to manipulate the spear in any way exceeding what simply deflecting it aside would do, will just result in a wasted riposte opportunity.I'll repeat for the last time, I never tried to argue that shields don't work against spears - they do. I've just stated that the argument of "spears WILL stuck in shields 100% and the spearman fucking dies and is controlled forever and that actually makes them bad in 1v1" was utterly retarded - which it was, on many levels so.
>>545588280It's not just civilians using swords and we have many cases of specialized civilian weapons like rapier vs estock, or something that is plainly uncivlian like all the big two handed swords or sword and shield fighting. Manuscripts both from Japan and western world also often talk or imply armored opponents. Status symbol thing is also often untrue because ceremonial and decorated swords were a minority compared to plain and working swords.
>>545575702Both 'halfswording' and the attacker in that video are retarded
>>545589050Status symbol is the case because swords ARE more expensive compared to the other weapons.And it is obvious that manuscripts would also talk about its usage in war because it is also used in battles. You act like it is only one or the other.
>>545575702>>545589217That one actually looks decent.There's that one video where a full-plated guy tries fucking half-swording against a dude with no fucking armour at all.And supposedly fucking loses in the process.
>>545588986Mixing wrestling with swordplay has always been a favorite of mine.
>>545589038If it's so I agree with your conclusion, but I also agreed to it before. I still wanted to clarify leverage and show that the sword is at an advantage and spear is still largely under control during bind even if it can still disengage and you shouldn't be pretending it's now superglued to your shield.>>545589434You don't use a sword because it looks nice in warfare, especially not as some kind of not noble and it just happens swords after all became very popular with just about everyone.
>>545549067Halberds>Poleaxes/Polehammers>Glaives>>Spears>Axes/Swords/hammers>>MacesSpears are just a gimped polearm.
>>545554229You would not fight with a hammer in your main hand and nothing in your offhand, hammers were lethal in any situation, you could not say the same about a sword.
>>545590079Did you even read what I posted?It became a status symbol mostly because of its cost. And becomes a lot more visible because of its practicality as a side arm. Same reason handguns are romanticized
>>545590547It's okay if you like them, but having an extra chunk of metal at the end of the stick makes em slower than a spear
>>545590547Halberds>Poleaxes/Polehammers>Glaives>>Spears>Axes>hammers=Maces >>>>¦ stones >>>>> swords
I like mine tools
>>545590742from what ive read these things were pretty popular on horseback