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Are there any video games that create a "meta-narrative", that in a way of breaking the fourth-wall, manages to criticise the condition of its own players'?
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Undertale
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I find the image funny because Dimitri never once tries to justify his actions, he just boars his way around Fodlan
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I love Bernie!
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Why do people pretend this game has some deep emotional story and shit? I played through a couple of the routes, last being Dimitri's, and it really did not live up to the hype at all. The game's insistence on getting the other lords out of the picture as much as possible once you pick a route just hamstrings any attempt at getting the player to care about what happens to them.
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>>540337619
Edelgard deflecting criticism in a 4th wall breaking way would work if she didn’t take her self seriously.
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>>540338080
Game should've been like FE7 and had a single story where you dab on molemen
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>>540337619
There's already the assigned 3H containment thread up to keep your kind corralled
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>>540338080
>you pick a route just hamstrings any attempt
You need to play both SS and CF to understand the main plot.
The other two are side routes.

It's no surprise that in SS (the actual first and main route of the game) Claude and Dimitri literally never appear in the war phase. They are just irrelevant.
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>>540338179
FE7's plot was pretty lame but at least it had some focus and buildup rather than implying implications and hoping you somehow paradoxically played every other route before your first one to care about the characters.
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>>540338459
FE7 is a plothole ridden mess and it gets even worse the more routes you play since Hector's is just nonsense.
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>>540338080
I don't know about you but I had fun playing dimitri's but it was my first run. But unlike the game I approved of every action he took. I was actually unhype that he later changes a bit. I just liked his unapologetic rage. He really was fucked over and he wanted everyone dead and I just wanted a game to live out the option to get brutal justice.
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>>540338080
Just Edeltards.
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DS3's Ashes of Ariandel DLC has a dude call out the player for, well, being a PC. The overall plot of the DLC is also a broad inversion of the overall "goal" of the PC in the main game, and the prior two Souls games.
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>>540338459
I didn't mean plot wise, I meant 3 Lord character wise.
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>>540337619
>manages to criticise the condition of its own players?
Eh, you had me going until that part. Too bad, could have been a cool thread.
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>>540338663
This.
And then it became probably the lamest story in FE after he was "cured" because he held (your) hand.
Not to mention the amount of plotholes his route has
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>>540338641
I literally started my post with "pretty lame." Everything you say is true, but at least it didn't have Hector run off until chapter 25 only to come back and have Eliwood scream at him about something he may have done offscreen.
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>>540338179
AM and VW ruined that. It should have stuck to SS only. And if they had to force in another route do a completed CF only because it branches off so much from the other 3. Force Byleth into teaching the Black Eagles and let you loot students from the other classes still
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>>540338915
Sorry anon, I assumed hostility and took it as a sarcastic quip. I agree, I think FE needs to go back to single good routes rather than spreading out.
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>>540338663
It's funny because Dimitri has all the problems that a typical female character is hated for:
- Impulsive and emotionally-guided
- Idealistic, painfully naive
- Intensely obsessed with a person of an opposite gender in a one-sided manner
- Stumble upon plot-important events/people pretty much on accident/due to forced writing (re: Arundel)
- Forced redemption by a heavily pushed love interest
Dimitri is basically walking proof that if you write a character with typical characteristics of an "unlikeable" hot female character but make him male instead, you'll get away with everything
Just like the whole "if Edelgard was actually Lelouch 2.0 instead of female Lelouch he'd be the most beloved character in 3H". If Dimitri was a female character she'd be hated a lot.
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>>540339217
Dimitri actually suffers consequences, unlike Claude or Edelgard. Those few chapters he's in boar mode are absolutely fucking based.
>>540338946
Azure Moon is a retelling of the classic FE Lord tale, but with a fallen angel twist. If you think it's the lamest story, then chances are you also dislike both Archanea stories and Genealogy Gen 2.
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STUPID DRAGON!
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>>540339681
>Dimitri actually suffers consequences
No, everyone bends over backwards to cover for his boarness despite him being retarded, and when Rodrigue dies he gets better at the drop of a hat and becomes the bestest king to ever rule. All the characters don't suffer shit if Byleth is tard wrangling them
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Why are there so many virgins simping for edel-retard.
Its baffling how many of you cuck there are.
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>>540339681
>Classic FE lord
It's not. There's no chosen one, no fire emblem and no dragons involved. It doesn't even have a happy ending
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>>540337619
Spec Ops: The Line is rather famous for this.
Shame the gameplay is shit.
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Edelgard derangement syndrome
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>>540341853
Came here to post this
Also Dangaronpa V3
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>>540339217
Lelouch is beloved because his enemies are a social darwinist country of genocidal warmongerers. Edelgard is the one who sides with genocidal assholes, and her enemies are a relatively harmless church and a mentally ill pope dragon who only wants to revive her mommy.
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>>540341792
(You) are the Chosen One, the Crest of Flames is the Fire Emblem (aka (You)r heart), and this one has you rescuing a dragon instead of fighting it but the final boss is still a giant monster.
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>>540337619
Isnt that common in VNs?
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>>540342237
That's completely retarded, you didn't understand the game.

>>540342315
Byleth never plays a role in AM except to handhold Dimitri
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>>540342237
>Lelouch is beloved because
he's theatric as fuck

he could literally lead an accountant supremacy faction and people would still love him, because he's him, not because of what he stands for
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>>540342565
Well do enlighten me then. What didn't I understand?
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>>540341792
>It doesn't even have a happy ending
AM has arguably the best ending.
>Allows the highest number of recruits, only mandatory deaths are Edelgard, Hubert, and Jeritza
>Claude doesn't die, he goes back to Almyra alive, meaning both countries will get along in the future
>Slithers are dealt with in Hapi's ending.
>Constitutional monarchy in place, the people have a voice in government
>Rhea cedes her power to Byleth, who is still a God/Goddess and can protect the world for millenia to come. Even if they weren't around, Garreg Mach still stands to teach the future of Fodlan
>Sylvain eliminates Crest worship just like Edelgard wanted
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What's with the sudden amount of Eldetards recently
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>>540343003
here you go senpai, this'll help with the bait thread.
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>>540343003
Retard the movie itself is sad as fuck and the credits are too. I don't care what autistic nitpicks and headcanons you have.
Meanwhile CF has a glorious final cutscene about slaying the evil dragon and restoring (your) humanity and then a upbeat track for credits. All while the narrator telling about how you ending the tyrany of crests and classes.
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>>540343513
See
>>540343267
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>>540343267
That's a massive headcanon cope I'll never read lol
Dimitards be coping as usual
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>>540337619
>Are there any video games that create a "meta-narrative", that in a way of breaking the fourth-wall, manages to criticise the condition of its own players'?
Yes, Pathologic 1 and 2, and The Void all by Icepick Lodge studio are genuinely masters of this. Pathologic 2 especially.
But you are all too busy arguing about some weebshit to even care, aren't you?
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>>540343898
Oh I just realised that game was so painful not only to "play" but also to read this badly translated dialogue.
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>>540344452
It's not badly translated. Are you genuinely retarded?
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>>540344624
The dialogue you posted is unreadable. Whoever wrote this doesn't know how to write or translate.
Nobody cares about your shitty little "game" that nobody enjoys playing except for bragging rights on niche online forums.
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>>540343003
>>540343267
>Dimitrichads are educated and can craft convincing arguments as to why their route of choice is the most sound and offers a better future for Fodlan
>>540342565
>>540343513
>>540343675
>Edeltards can only chimp out like monkeys and simp for a shitty mass murdering midget
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>>540345068
I think you may have genuine mental issues, buddy. Ever checked with a doctor for cognitive or psychological disfunctions?
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>>540346357
Stop projecting your issues on anonymous people online anon, it doesn't actually make you look as good as you imagine in your head.

Covid really broke some teenagers.
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>>540337619
Yes
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>>540346723
>Covid really broke some teenagers.
I see you are talking from experience. I do also enjoy how you are apparently angry primarily because somebody dared to actually answer the OP's question for a change, and broke your circlejerk in the process.
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>>540346971
Jesus christ you're ill...
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the perfect ending.
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>>540337619
Edeltards get the spear
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>>540337619
All of Yoko Taro's games.
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A core issue with analyzing videogames as a medium is conflating their distinct facets: art is a form of expression, games are interactions bound by a constructed set of rules, work is something a body does to get paid/not die/etc, and modern Consumer Entertainment Products are a miasma of all three. Your Favorite Game is a ruleset, some writing and directing and assets, and a bunch of schlub's day jobs.

What makes a game meta? Maybe it gets glitchy or talks about mechanics to ~peer behind the veil~ about how it's all code- which you know already, if you've ever had to troubleshoot one. Maybe it makes you do something unpleasant, because games intrinsically contain some amount of direction and structure, and you only have limited freedom within that framework- like that isn't a mundane facet of existing in a civilization bound by a social contract! And they'll never talk about the "work" aspect, so that's an entire third of the "meta" missing, god forbid you acknowledge the code slaves whatsoever.

Have you ever played a sport? You take orders from a coach, but you still have some freedom in how you execute them. You learn a bit about how the equipment is maintained, maybe get some weird nuts-and-bolts realization about how you only ever tend to roll your ankle on one type of grass. You know how the experience looks to everybody else after being glossed up by owners and networks when watching a professional highlight on the TV. This isn't "meta", it's "life".

"Meta" games are what happened when fuckboys who grew up on a dripfeed of Product as a substitution for real experience started seeing them as a substitute reality. They are now doomed to discover aspects of reality as if literal children exposed to the world for the first time, but bound by the limits of simulacra. Go the fuck outside.
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Hotline Miami. Presumably the player progresses through the game wondering why they're being coerced to commit serial mass murders of Russian mobsters, but if you don't unlock the hidden ending all you'll get is the game developers telling you to fuck yourself for enjoying it.
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>helping a woman who killed your father
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>>540345789
There's nothing wrong with this dialogue. She's basically just telling him to surrender because she's going to win anyway in a rhetorical manner.
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>>540337858
Mods should perma ban you
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Oh the night is young
With lashes hung
And fillies all in heat.
How their laps turn plum
When the church dogs come
A-sniffing for a seat.

But a lady sits
hot and legs crossed
as tight lipped as a mouse
Though I find when I lift my legs
My hooves bring down the house~
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why couldnt have there been an ending where you take over fodlan all for yourself
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>>540341751
>Losing the last person he ever thought of as family over his selfishness isn't punishment
>Being chewed by literally everyone as an unstable freak isn't.
>Fully admits he is still being haunted by voices constantly during his S support
Bullshit
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>>540337619
Ar no Surge. At one point one of the MCs manages to realize he's being controlled by you and breaks free of being controlled only to realize... he's really fucking weak and can't protect anyone or anything and thus begs you to control him so he can protect his love, after he banged her. On the flip side of it, one of the female leads, when you enter her mind world, realizes that there isn't any way for her to fall in love with you as you, the player, can simply reload and try again should you fail the first time and thus she is okay with simply using you as a tool.
But its buried behind things like pic related, the leader of the Dere Empire after being given some confidence, so even if I were to talk about its plot and such most people would write it off.
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>>540337619
>manages to criticise the condition of its own players'?
This is usually indicative of a shit game and full of hypocrisy. There's plenty of ways of examining general human characteristics and patterns without baiting people into playing your game then belittling them for doing it. That's like someone took a psych class in highschool and thought he was enlightened.
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How would you, /v/, have written a Golden Ending for 3H that respects the different motivations of every character but finds a compromise that ultimately leads to a good ending for most of the characters, or at least not an ignoble ending?

Don't respond with "Gold Ends are shit," that's irrelevant. This is a challenge. Tell me how you'd do it.
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>>540350979
Ah yes, the classic "just let me win, meanie" argument that all of El's delusions revolve around.
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>>540354254
Evil dragons appear, everyone bands together to fight dragons, leader of church dies during or post fight.
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>>540352751

Once a pious dog was worshiping
Upon his master’s thighs.
Outside the fillies tramped and brayed
Unsaddled in the sties.
Aroused, he slid down his master's pants, banisters and rails.
To scratch upon the stable doors
And poke forbidden tails~
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>>540354449
No bro you don't understand, It's Machiavellian!
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>>540337619
Not related but has anyone else ever noticed that this picture is actually the reverse?
Stupid people don't have to yell their opinions because they don't care enough about them to get angry over it. Smart people are usually the most passionate about their argument because they see it without flaw.
The one on the left is more likely to say "yeah man ur just mad, are you jelly?" and maybe post a soijak.
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>>540354254
You can't. The game makes it clear that Edelgard is a direct antagonist to the rest of the characters, her motivations are based on lies and her actions are morally wrong by all accounts. The best you could do is make it so that Dimitri is able to be calmed down by Teach, Claude uncovers the moleman shit early, Dimitri and Claude team up to show Edel she's been lied to, and the 3 house leaders and Teach join Reah in wiping out the molemen, then showing her that humanity can take care of itself, so she can finally rest.
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>>540354738
I believe that in reality neither the image nor its reverse are actually accurate. It's basically the equivalent of that "I am silly" mspaint comic parody. Doesn't represent reality at all and only exists for someone to dismiss those he does not agree with. As you say, it's pretty easy to make very different interpretations about why someone would act that way.
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>>540354738
It depends on the interactions. In the Dunning-Kruger effect, the less intelligent one would more likely be boastful and tend to shout and get angry when their abilities are being challenged, while the more intelligent ones will often have self-doubts and tend to listen more rather than talk. On the other hand, an idiot who knows that he is an idiot can be extremely perceptive and wise at times, and in your case, the passionate smart people will only argue and talk passionately to the people who can actually understand what they are talking about
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>>540354510
Trying to post cute male Byleth and Edelgard fanart, and I just realized there is not that much artworks with the two. It's mostly yuri with female Byleth. Ah well...
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>>540354254
Dimitri fucks the Edelgard until she calms down and Claude invites the molemen to his sweet weed party and they all end up getting along.
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>>540337619
Yes and a lot of fans took it as a personal insult.
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>>540354254
Won't work with Edelgard, so the best you could hope to have is recruiting Dimitri and Claude to the Church side, teaming up with Edelgard to fight the molemen, and then fighting Edelgard at the end of that.
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>>540337858
Cheers BernieBro <3
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>>540355515
Alas.
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>>540337858
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>>540355515
Well yeah, no self-respecting man would settle for Edeltard. She only appeals to the YASSS QUEEN SLAY twitter dykes.
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>>540355515
The frog has more but Edelgard is still the most popular pairing with MByleth. https://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=edelgard_von_hresvelg+byleth_%28fire_emblem%29_%28male%29+&pid=0
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>>540354862
>The game makes it clear that Edelgard is a direct antagonist
You can repeat this all you want, it still does not make it true
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>>540354489
U trid 4/10

>>540354862
An honest attempt, but too fixated upon mutable aspects of the characters he has free reign to bend through experience and context to react in new ways to new circumstances. Fails to understand his power as a writer. 6/10

>>540355636
Dude weed 2/10

>>540356018
A true brainlet incapable of rising to a challenge and is outfoxed by fictitious characters that possess no agency. 0/10 see me after thread archived.
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>>540338946
People often mention this game's potholes. What are they?
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>>540357938
I'll take 6/10 for something off the top of my head. The issue is that the characters, as they are presented, are too conflicted in their motivations. Edelgard is frankly too beyond hope to change her mind on the primary conflict of the game, just like Dimitri's arc is perfectly resolved in his route, but it required that time to be dealt with. Without making the game notably longer, you really can't make a decently written golden route.
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>>540358476
based
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>>540358476
Dimitri>Edelgard
Fuck the faggot and the church.
t. never played the game
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>>540337619
999 and VLR (the nonary games on steam) Kinda does this.
There are experiments done, where certain individuals are put under extreme stress (like death) can communicate with a parallel universe. This power is the player playing through different routes, observing the characters death

Might not be exactly what you're looking for, but I liked it a lot. also BOOBA
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>>540358476
>Fodlan Empress BAD !!!
Claude doesn't mind at all. He acknowledges Edelgard as the legitimate heir who'll bring peace.
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>>540360327
Literally only in her route.
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>>540337619
>Are there any video games that create a "meta-narrative", that in a way of breaking the fourth-wall, manages to criticise the condition of its own players'?
Final Fantasy 7 Remake with the time jannies.
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>>540338663
Except being a dick for a short time, I really didn't see what he did that wrong. Everyone was acting like he was the next coming of Satan or something, even his own friends
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>>540337619
Hotline Miami sorta does this with the Janitors
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>>540358447
A big one is Byleth coming back to life in CF at the end, when he should have died.
Another one is the Insurrection happened because the nobles didn't want an all powerful emperor, but then apparently had experiments done on kids to make an all powerful emperor after that
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>>540360327
>Didnt realize he was being sarcastic
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>>540344452
son you are retarded
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is this the AES thread?
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Caspar!
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>>540353754
damn I wish this serie was more successful, I still have fond memories of Ar Tonelico
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>>540361252
His hair in his pre-timeskip portrait is so hideous that I haven't used him. Is he worth bothering with, gameplay/plot wise?
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>>540361374
In BL, yes, because he's required for some extra story stuff to be unlocked with Mercedes and Death Knight
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ATTENTION EVERYONE
RUN FOR YOUR LIVES
ALMYRAN RAIDERS HAVE TAKEN OVER THE THREAD
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>>540361374
>is he worth
well, do you like him?
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>>540358447
Nothing get nuked after Rhea gets killed after the end of CF, though there is really nothing to stop it. Lack of nukes in AM, but that may be because Edelgard had Rhea or the molemen were scared of Rhea popping up, or maybe because Thales and the leaders were dead. Whether or not Dmitri is crazy or he can actually see ghosts is ambiguous but not a plothole technically, just annoying.
Everything with gronder.
Everything with divine pulse storywise.
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>>540361798
OUR THREAD
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>>540354254
Edelgard is the sticking point. She'd have to learn something that would really shake her worldview. Rhea's too cloistered in her own trauma to share the needed knowledge to anyone but Byleth and Edelgard clearly didn't get any knowledge from her in the five years she had her. There's also the distinct possibility that Edelgard will simply refuse to hear anything contrary to her conclusions. After all, that disinformation of hers is her birthright passed down through the Imperial crown. What could make her doubt it, and therefore doubt the need to eliminate all other rulers before she deals with the moles? Dear teacher standing against her isn't enough. Remembering Dimitri isn't enough. Having a nuke dropped on her soldiers isn't enough. Seeing innocents twisted into beasts isn't enough. That knowledge likely blunts any weight the truth of the War of Heroes would have on her. Do you think Edelgard would flinch at using corpses as weapons or at slaughtering innocents to get those weapons? By the time we meet Edelgard, she's too far down her own rabbit hole to turn back. Byleth would have to master time travel and go back to save her siblings and her from the rape dungeon so she never becomes Emperor, learns what she does, and has the trauma to drive her to destroy what she blames for it. But if you go that far, Byleth could just time travel and solo the slithers with his foreknowledge. The only motivation of Edelgard's that could survive in tandem with the others is eliminating the slithers. Everyone would have been on board with this if she had confided with them as she does with teacher. But, when you get to her claims against the church and illegitimacy of the other countries, Claude and Dimitri would certainly investigate and Byleth would be the only one with the sway over Rhea to get the answers. She'd have to be humbled or double-down. We'd have dead moles, three countries, and the church condemning crest abuse extra hard.
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>>540354254
I won't respect Edeltard's motivations, because they made her into the worst written JRPG villain of 2019, and that's a year that had Chairman Rose in it.
Time travel, stop her mental illness before it starts, she grows up to be a devout church girl with big milkers, and overall a side character while someone more competent takes the throne and forges a lasting peace with Dimitri and Claude.
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>>540362198
It's too late anon, Nader's already taken our copies of The Prince
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>>540361374
I was the same as you, then I used them and thought he was really cool.
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Is this game actually any good or what?
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>>540361892
With Gronder and lack of Divine Pulse use, I more blame poor directing. Because in both instances they had written in mitigating circumstances that were either simply poorly communicated in battle or ignored. We know about the lack of trust, the fog, the "chaotic warfare", if these were better presented in game, with FoW or perhaps enemies changing colors, and the game didn't operate on a clearly communicated dialog before battle then it would have flowed better. With Divine Pulse, we know about the fate hand-wave, but we still needed to see Byleth try to know that it was fate. This could have been better presented by following up on Byleth fainting and showing them failing to pulse when they need to because they're too drained.
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>>540337619
Killer 7
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>>540363732
It's mediocre, the school hub is annoying and for a game with multiple playthrough a it really starts to drag midway thought the second one. Too many same maps.
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>>540361147
He's posting the exact same images, so I guess so.
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>>540361030
No hint of sarcasm here, my dude. He is sincere
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>>540354254
i honestly don't think this is possible without drastically changing edelgard's character to some degree.

the best that i would do is i'd try to make her more willing to throw the moles under the bus early on, which leads to her allowing the others to team up with her and as they fight along side her she realizes "wait we all want the same thing" and trys to take steps forward to cooperate with everyone.

but i'm not sure if i'd be changing her character too drastically or not by having her try to throw the moles under the bus in the first place, i really don't feel like i understand the Edelgard that exists in people's heads, because it feels like a different Edelgard than that exists within the game.
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>>540356395
Nice. I'm mainly a Dimitri person but I'm trying to see the appeal of Manleth and Edelgard since I like her design but find her personality not as engaging as the boar. Wish she was a bit more manic and put more of a spectacle like timeskip Dimitri. Like her hate for the church being the thing that throws off her composure a shows a darker and vengeful side that she has to work on.

I was listening to the song "Hoof and Lap" from Devil's Carnival, and the lyrics made me think of Edelgard taking glee in turning Manleth away from Rhea with more than just her beliefs. Love the manic high energy singing, and the suggestive german lyrics just make me relate the song to her even more due to her name.
https://youtu.be/ucBe9ffU7zA
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>>540343898
This, but I feel like P2 does to criticize its players' condition than than 1 does.
1 was more about anticipating the player's reaction to the twist more than anything else.
Also, don't complain about weebshit, Dybowski himself is a massive weeaboo
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>>540360809
>Do you like hurting other people
yeah it does it
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>>540368491
>>540343898
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>>540368374
The dramatic irony...this is why I love Edelgard.
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>>540337619
YU-NO does this for visual novels, but in a non fourth wall breaking way. The same writer does the same thing to a lesser extent in his other VN Desire, too. Funny how out of all the elements from these VNs that have been incredibly influential, the meta-narrative stuff has never really been done deeper.
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>>540365998
Lol, no
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>>540343898
I'm playing this now, on Day 7. Day 5 and 6 went real smooth but I have a feeling a lot of people are gonna die tonight, I got so much shit to do and so little meds. Just happy that Murky is safe, at least for now
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>>540337619
Didn't the Stanley Parable do this really well?
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>>540338292
>Dilate
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>>540358476
Righty ?
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>>540339217
If Dimitri were a girl, I guarantee that she'd BTFO of every other 3H character in popularity
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>>540337619
Path of exile
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>meanwhile at the CIA
>gentlemen he picked Bernadetta we gotta take him out, groomer material for sure
>no wait hold your fire. On his female playthrough he picked Seteth. I like Seteth he's pretty based. Still, tell him he will never be a woman and to seethe and dilate for good measure.
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Who do you think would be most likely to listen to Death Grips during the academy years?
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>>540354254
Silver Snow, but you save Dimitri and Claude. Final boss is Nemesis. Byleth acts more like a person post time skip. Impregnating Rhea after marrying her. Maybe Edelgard learns that everything she knows is a lie created by the Slithers?
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>>540360907
99% od the games plotholes are in Crimson Flower
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>>540371932
Fact.
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>>540337619
Receiver 2. It's a commentary about self improvement and fighting suicide, but surrounded by handgun porn and firearm safety training. I've died more to misfires when holstering than to the turrets.
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>>540339217
Look if you want me to dump Rule 63 Sokka you just have to ask.
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>>540372929
is it actually worth buying? I liked the first one for the gimmick but this just seems like a but of a rehash
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>>540371932
>blonde hair, blue eyes
>pretty
>cares about you in a more supportive way
>would probably attract amazonfags
>would probably attract tomboyfags
>would probably attract lady knightfags
>post-time skip has the "broken girl only you can fix" appeal
>would most likely have big tits
Fuck yeah, she would have
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>>540357742
same to you my friend
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>>540337619
i mean....she barged into his country and murdered her way through his people, never even attempting to communicate with him. Her motivations and goals are irrelevant in the face of her abhorrent methods. Ends do not in fact justify the means, and to say she is above dimitri is asinine.
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>>540373124
It's better than the first one, has actual presentation and polish compared to the game jam version 1. There are nine guns, two turret types, one drone type, and a security cam as enemies.

It suffers from some problems. You basically go through the same dozen or so environments in a loop trying to grab tapes to "level up." You have maybe 10 ranks, each harder than the last, and you de-rank if you die. It gets repetitive once you know what you're doing, but it's still balls hard even then. Not to mention the limited enemies. You'll get as much mileage as it takes for you to figure out the different guns, which are satisfying.

If you're /k/ or /x/ at all, the guns and apocalypse dream setting are absolutely the best. But as a game I can't condone dropping $20 for it. If it's on sale for any amount I can recommend. Or you can pirate, but if you want to fuel the guys who made Overgrowth and this then buy it. I think these games are interesting and different enough to sponsor.
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>>540371932
literally FemDimitri would be like 3 times more popular than Lucina, give her big tits and keep the Maniac phase and you have the most popular character on FE period
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I mean how satirical and how serious is Anna in these games she always comes out ahead
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>>540374071
you don't get it, she had good intentions and was gonna kill the moleman once she won
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>>540337619
Metal Gear Solid 2
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Dark souls and cyberpunk 2077.

Cyberpunk 2077 actually takes its namesake seriously and through symbolic interactionalism creates an interesting diegetic deconstruction.

Cyberpunk 2077 realized the paradoxical relationship between player agency and narrative elements in experiential media. V is the meta avatar for the experiential gameplay. Our protagonist sees the maps, translations weapon diagnostics and interaction options from a meta contextually ironic position that reinforces the cinematic meta gameplay elements.

The inclusion of celebrities such as keanu reeves is part of this meta contextual narrative that creates the experiential gameplay of cyberpunk 2077. Johnny Silverhand is a name. Keanu Reeves is the character. Cyberpunk uses a similar ontological conceit in order to explore interactive media in the context of commodity and digital symbol interactionalism.

the 'player' of the experiential media does not interact with 'johnny silverhand' at all, the player 'points' at keanu reeves. The exploration of symbolic interaction relating to contextual deconstruction of diagetic marker symbols is applied by 'allowing' and 'dissalowing' the framework and context of 'pointing'.

Where rockstar game 'advanced' GTA as a series and design philosophy to cover shooter and diagetic contextual input, cyberpunk 2077 sublimated the mechanics of interaction in interactive media itself i.e. "interacting with contextual symbols in a presumed determinant context". The lay person does not 'notice' the choices because the diagetic are not present as placeholder for symbolic interaction.

the structure and context of narrative and input is predicated on gameified elements such as backstory and interaction within narrative structure that contrasts with propositional premise of interaction itself. The structure of 'replayability' and contextualization indicates this.
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>>540374217
Male Corrin x Anna are canon
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>>540374318
you literally get a better ending for all of fodlan by turning against her and going through proto-verdant wind than you do by going along with her crazy plan.
Edelgard is basically a child throwing a continent-wide tantrum because uncle moleman touched her nono spot as a child.
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>>540374115
Thanks, I guess I'll get it if it goes on sale
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>>540339217
I don't know about all that. Dimitri is the most pragmatic of the three lords before he decides to rip and tear imperial guts. His emotional outbursts are intense and violent and are considered a flaw by everyone. His late night sleuthing was pre-established. And his redemption arc is pushed by everyone the moment they find him. Rodrigue is just what finally broke him and Byleth had to catch on the way down. People only hate emotional female characters because they hardly ever face consequences for their actions or have to change themselves.
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>>540374896
i know i was being sarcastic, its why the
>she had good intentions
sounds stupid as shit, Edelgard was a stubborn piece of work and she is the reason we will never get a golden ending besides BL and GD because she has a mesiah's complex and it needs to be HER who saves Fodlan from the enemies she created in her head
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>>540337858
BernieCHADS>dimifags and edeltards
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>>540363732
If you enjoy 1 hour of padding for every 20 minutes of gameplay
it's a game for women and gays
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>>540346723
If you think >>540343898 is good or normal English language writing then you're a fucking idiot.
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QUEEN... nay... EMPEROR OF /V/
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>>540371932
>Femdimitri, popular
are you sure?
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>>540376069
I'm positive
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>>540376069
lets be honest, half of edelgard's coomers only exist because she's the sole female lord, so yeah.
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>>540376069
Yeah
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>>540376332
>So who gay for "male to female"
I mean Fem Corrin get popular. Hell, Mass Effect 3 protagonist too.
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>>540376332
This man speaks the truth. Everyone would hate edelgard if she was a man
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>>540375750
It's clearly meant to be spoken, not read. I haven't played it, but to me the dialog comes across as somewhat disjointed, perhaps manic, but it's perfectly understandable.
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>>540376574
Personally I think Edelgard would make a very handsome and charming prince.
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>>540377023
female detected.
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>>540377023
Would Edelgrad telling the Professor to suck it up after Jeralt dies make women swoon?
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>>540376332
People bring up arguments, that dimitris character traits wouldnt make an attractive female chracter
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>>540377845
I disagree. I bet half of the fandom would love Fem-Dimitri as soon as she talks about how happy she is to see you smile.
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>>540363732
if you liked the modern persona games, you'll probably like 3h since it uses the same "number game/lifesim game split across a fixed number of days" format that should probably get a proper genera name of its own at this point.
If you HATE that kind of stuff you're better off playing one of the older games.
If you're indifferent to it, then I'll base my review on the tactical anime chess and say its fun but if you want to play all the routes I HIGHLY advise you use ng+ since the first half of the game is the same for everyone and even a solid chunk of the second half is shared between all the routes so it can wear you down fast.
Also, don't play maddening mode for your first playthrough that mode is absolutely unbalanced since its sheer number inflation that was added in post-launch and you simply won't beat it if you don't know what you're doing, mostly due to a specific chapter at the halfway point thats already extremely bullshit even on the lower difficulties.
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>>540377023
Personally I think Dimitri would make a very handsome and charming princess.
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>>540337619
Nier automata with all those philosophies stuff
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>>540361374
He's beautiful.
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>>540377845
Even his most masculine traits would just translate as niche fetishes that are readily accepted in this fandom. I don't think he'd be the same copecetic package, weighed down with these fetishes, but he'd definitely gain the coomer vote. So his popularity would go up while his true quality would subjectively that a hit.
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>>540376574
>the dagger scene when she tries to kill Dimitri
as a man he would be seen as a coward piece of shit
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Why didn't Rhea surrender?
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>>540376574
I would like him/her just as much. The funny thing is Edelgard is one of the few female characters I actually really like/respect and can see as more than just another waifu.
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>>540378829
She thinks you're going to butcher her and turn her into a weapon. But, you wouldn't know anything about all that.
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>>540343003
>>Slithers are dealt with in Hapi's ending.
The DLC characters and their epilogues are not canon.
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>>540376574
Now here's a character everybody would hate.
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>playing CF
>final chapter
>rhea starts burning down her city in a fit of rage
>edelgard orders us to attack the city at once
But why? If my enemy started burning down their own stronghold I'd stand by and let them.
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>>540379254
even more because he would remind half /v/ to themselves
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>>540376574
Knowing /v/'s contrarian tendencies, she'd probably be the most popular character here.
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>>540378267
Wanted 2B alt skin for FemRobin.
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>>540379254
Poor Bernard. Surely his abuse wouldn't be the same as a male with male expectations.
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>>540379265
Edelgard is a retard, regardless of route
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>>540337619
El-Shaddai is like that
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>>540379254
>Fag with social anxiety
oh god
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>>540376045
>>540378107
>>540379028
What thoughts on her?
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>>540379254
considering how much /v/ hates the likes of that nerd boy in persona 5, oh yeah.
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>>540379265
Something about saving citizens? But I don't see how. Are they going to try and put out fires as they fight? If they wanted to help, then their fighting is just going to impede any citizen trying to escape.
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>>540378267
Ah
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>>540337619
Kingdom hearts 2 unironically
Every heartless you kill powers kingdom hearts. You activated it. They tell you about this some way through the game, but what are you gunna do, not fight?
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>>540371932
Dimitri is otomebait
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>>540379609
Micaiah is also stupid, but unlike Edelgard she was at least forced into warmongering by blackmail instead of willingly doing it herself.
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>>540380009
This theory banks on the safe assumption that the coomer audience is greater than the otome audience. People who like Dimitri for non-sexual reasons don't get a vote.
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why
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>>540382729
Yeah, who the fuck likes Dr. Breen.
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>nobody says anything
>Edeltards crying about Dimitri again for no reason
Blue.Lion chads, why do we keep winning so much compared to everyone else?
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>>540382978
Self-hating people desu.



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