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Are zoomers deaf?
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Subtitles are essential nowadays with how much actors mumble. Not our fault they don't bother enunciating anymore.
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Sound mixing is fucking garbage nowadays and people want to make sure they don't miss or mishear lines.
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i wonder if thats because we're all multitasking while we do everything so its easier to follow stuff with subtitles. i use them so i can talk over them
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>>174556311
Mixing in modern movies sucks, and the younger you are the quicker you can read. You ever notice how only illiterate dipshits say that subtitles are distracting?
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they watch on their phone without sound so yes they need them
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>>174556311
no they're just esl
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>>174556311
With the amount of zoomers that have terrible verbal skills and primarily communicate through texting this stat is not surprising.
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>>174556311
>Generation consumes more foreign media
>Watch more content subbed as a result
Retarded thread
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>>174556311
As other said its just poor sound mixing in modern day movies. Eventually everything will be like Tenet where its unwatchable without subtitles.
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>>174556426
add to that the ridiculous range in the audio most of the time
you get the volume up right to understand these mumbling retard actors, and then suddenly BOOMMMMMMM
WOW DID YOU HEAR THAT EXPLOSION??? CAUSE YOUR NEIGHBOURS FUCKING DID!!!
in the end it's just easier to turn things down and just read what was written on the script before these clowns turned it into 'mmghffmm mmmudmmrrm'
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>>174556311
Nah, they just love watching Nolan movies.
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>>174556311
I'm a zoomer and I use subtitles because it means I can turn the volume down and not have my eardrums burts the second the film gets loud.
Also I'm white and don't have downs syndrome so I can read fast enough that it doesn't affect my enjoyment of the film.
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>>174556311
Gen Y here and use subs at night cause my hearing sucks. Zoomers use it because they were raised on TikTok
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>>174556531
I literally do not understand how the fuck Nolan still has a job or how anyone enjoyed Interstellar. I watched Interstellar in theatres and could understand about half of the lines being said. I literally had to Google what the fuck Michael Caine said when he died while the movie was playing because there was no way in hell anyone else in the theatre fucking understood it over the BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR soundtrack.

Fuck Christopher Nolan.

Fuck Hans Zimmer.
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>>174556555
true
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>>174556478
it's basically this. reading text requires less brain power than listening so they consider normal movie watching to mentally intensive and they can't relax and enjoy it
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>>174556311
Holy shit this is true, I use subtitled
>I’m 20
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>>174556311
this is false. zoomers are constantly watching shitty dubs
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>>174556443
Let me guess, you exclusively watch anime with sub only. Also, bad mixing isn’t a new thing. Just rewatched some old 90’s movies and I recall several scenes where the rain was as loud as the actors.
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>>174556735
Do you think you can't use subtitles if the movie is in English?
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>>174556311
Kek I had two kids and my wife screaming or shouting at me all the way through Andor. My parents showed up. Her sister came round. Not 100% sure what was going on even with subs. Also I work within a meter of a shrieking sonic welder and used to work in ships engine rooms.

There may come a day I don’t use subtitles but likely I’ll be back to my old bachelor headphones and PC days of the past if it does.
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The explanation is that modern movies are mixed for 5.1., 7.1., and sometimes even Dolby Atmos. The issue? Most people are on stereo, so what happens is you're getting this mix for a much larger speaker setup squeezed down into something it was never intended for. Making a stereo exclusive mix is more expensive, and not "true to the vision of the creators," so they just leave it as is, and tell anyone who's not rocking five speakers and a subwoofer to eat sand.
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>>174556311
>most content in their native language is shit
>the sound in movies is not very clear when actors talk sometimes and you miss some sentences
>tiktok, stories, everything is subtitled
>it happens to watch videos without a sound, because you forgot the earphones
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>>174556443
>You ever notice how only illiterate dipshits say that subtitles are distracting?
They are, my eyes just naturally move to the letters on the screen instead of the show and it causes me to miss details. Even when I don’t need them to understand what’s being said. It’s not about being illiterate.
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Im 27 and refuse to watch with subtitles, unless its a foreign film because dubs are fucking retarded
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>>174556531
>>174556694

I watched the German dub of Tenet which thankfully had very reasonable mixing.

Another issue I can think of is the shitty laptop speakers people often watch movies with.
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>>174556311
zoomers have their airpods in 24/7
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i'm an esl, but i've known english for probably 25 years now. it always bugged me that no matter how much i improved, hearing lines in tv shows and movies was always a struggle for me, always felt like a failure

then sometime within the past few years i came across these discussion where even native speakers say they struggle so it wasn't just me, but shitty audio mixing. literally unironically how is this allowed? how can you be allowed to make a movie in your own language and then have your own people struggle to understand it
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>>174556311
I don't understand japanese yet, so i'm forced to read subtitles for now. Also, the audio mixing of most movies sucks, super loud explosions and music, then when actors are speaking in a more relaxed setting, i can't hear shit.
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>>174556716
>reading text requires less brain power than listening
I need some stats on this, listening is arguably easier and require less focust than reading
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>>174556436
Is there a reason for this?
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>>174556813
>literally unironically how is this allowed?
Because the people making movies and tv don't give a shit anymore
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Anime
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>>174556813
That's right. If you watch older films you'll understand what they are saying so much better than nowadays. The film industry now is uninspired and lazy.
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>>174556813
See >>174556776. These movies were "intended" for larger audio systems, so when you get into an argument with these creators, they always reference back things like having to reformat things to 4:3, and how it's hurting the artistic vision of the work. The problem is there's a big fucking difference between switching from 4:3 to widescreen compared to having multiple speakers in a room.
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>>174556813
>struggle so it wasn't just me, but shitty audio mixing
Is true, when I first started watching movies in english, the audio was so shit compared to the italian dub
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>>174556773
Reminder all nu wars is faggot shit
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>>174556837
Hollywood is full of dumb Jews
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>>174556773
faggot I'm literally 19 and dating a single mother and I manage the kid better than you manage yours.
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>Show/movie has closed caption
>No option for just regular subtitles
Absolutely infuriating. I don't want to know what the fuck the important sound effects were or how the music is supposed to sound. Fuck me, imagine paying for this shit.
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>>174556875
yeah i'm watching moonlighting now and just finished watching frasier last month and it's all way clearer
also i never struggled with cartoons like family guy or american dad and sitcoms were always easier to understand than other tv shows. figures those types of shows would have different mixing
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>>174556311
BASED zooms, can't believe I say this. This is a step in the right direction.
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>>174556960
Bro, not that guy, but you should get out of that relationship while you still can.
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>>174556997
It's literally cause those things are mixed in stereo.
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>>174556311
Anime must be the reason for this.
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>>174556311
I only use subtitles for American Dad when streaming on Disney Plus because for some reason Toshi's dialogue is hardcoded in to the subtitles and isn't translated without them off.
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>>174556311
no they are just esl retards
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>>174556311
Nigga, have you tried watching or listening to movies and shows nowadays? The sound mixing is terrible and that's a massive understatement too. I used to never use subtitles back when .avi was a thing and the quality on those was okay at best. Nowadays, I get the "best" quality and the movies and dialogues sound like dogshit. The music isn't adjusted when people talk, actors can't speak coherently (Fuck you, Matthew McConaughey) and the directors and editors don't give a damn about all of that.
Best example would be Tenet. I'm glad af I saw the German version of the movie because I ain't hearing shit when I watch the OV. I remember being in the theater watching the OV of Inception and there being one scene where literally nothing was to be heard (in the theater at that) and subtitles popped up. Fuck modern mixing for real.
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>>174556892
now that's disappointing. means there's no solution in sight
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>>174556832
it depends on the person and situation. i don't think there are stats.
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It's impossible for me to make out every line of dialogue without headphones. If I just rely on speakers, even real speakers I will miss stuff. Although movie speakers are good enough I don't miss anything.
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>>174556832
I find it's a lot easier understand what they're saying if there's also subtitles.
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>>174556311
Sound mixing is shit and Gen Z pretty much talk through the internet now, of course they can read quickly and would use subtitles
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Because I can't hear the fuxking movie without turning it up to 100 and then when the action starts it's deafening
Why has nobody fixed this shit yet
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>>174557147
Cause you're getting the intended effect of the mix in the theaters. What's happening is audio and sound are being mixed for five, or seven speakers, but then squished down into two. It's sort of like how watching a youtube video on your phone sounds worse compared to your computer. It's not just the tinny speaker. It's cause stereo audio is being folded down into mono.
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>>174556311
Why are videobrains illiterate?
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>>174556311
I'm esl and I never use subs
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>>174556837
four words:
Zack Snyder
Christopher Nolan
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A10 / V10
THANKS YIFY! :)
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>>174557203
Do theaters use 5.1 or 7.1? It's true I just have a 2.1 setup
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>>174556426
This. And the whole fetishisation of accents doesn't help either. I don't care that you come from some hellsite in Britbongistan, speak clearly.
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>>174556443
I read several hundred pages a week, not to mention retarded posts like this on 4chan a couple hours a day, and I still find subtitles for movies in english incredibly distracting
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>>174556555
fucking true trips
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>>174557280
Depends on the theater. Most, by the minimum, have 5.1. Some are doing atmos, and crazy shit like that. Also, not to be a pedantic little shit, but if you don't have a subwoofer, you're not really 2.'1'. The '1' actually stands for subwoofer. So a 5.1 mix is technically 6 speakers.
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>>174556960
Kek if you don’t live with them then its night and day little zoomie and if you’re 19 and living with them you’re a retard. She will get rid of you too.
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>>174556311
>sub haters constantly misunderstand the most basic story points because they only manage to comprehend like half of the dialogue
>durr hurr why do you use subs
Boomers should learn to fucking read.
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>>174557337
If theaters are getting multiple mixes depending on if they have a 5.1, Atmos etc., I would assume the mixes (including stereo) they include for home video would be just as competent? Like you rarely get a theater with Atmos but they still sound fine
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>>174556837
Yes, lack of talent. Its the same for film scores. Art has become a joke full of poser frauds. Take musicans, most play other peoples songs, thats like a painter tracing someone elses work and going look at me Im as good as they are!!! Instead of creating and expressing thier own unique creation, yet its tolerated and accepted, even applauded.
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>>174556436
>>174556531
>>174556776
We've all heard the surround sound meme. Plenty of movies still sound like incomprehensible garbage on multi speaker setups. The issue with sound is that the legendary mixers either went deaf, retired or died. Most modern music albums sound like ear rape. Arguably even most movies look like trash because nobody knows how to light anything worth a damn either. So you have these modern movies that sound horrible and have flat lighting maybe with a nice piss filter or the standard blue filter for added effect and it's no wonder Hollywood cries out in anguish that nobody wants to pay to watch modern slop.
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>>174556438

I've always done this as a milleniboomer
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>>174557437
>read your post
>realize just how many shitty covers that have come out in the last few years
I think you might be 100% correct and very based unfortunately
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It's literally because they're low IQ. It's also why boomers turn them on the older they get, partly to do with bad sound mixing but mainly to just understand what's happening and being said as they get more senile.
>>174557015
Why is it based?
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>>174557422
Check to see if what you're watching even has an original, crafted stereo mix. That's the rub. What often happens is you're just listening to a surround mix squeezed down into stereo, without any touch ups or alterations. Making a stereo mix is a whole job that's not just automated. What studios are doing is cramming the audio together like it's a sausage.
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You all know it's due to video games having subtitles
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>>174557257
Lmao this. Their films are just horrendous when it comes to technicality, especially in audio mixing.
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>>174556311
They're better at reading but much worse at verbal communication due to computers.
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>Watch movies in English with subs
>Still refuses to watch foreign movies except for korean trash
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>>174556311
Modern directors will have actors whisper in one scene, and then play ear rape Hans Zimmer le epic music in the next.
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>>174556311
watching on phones and other tablets in public places
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>>174556960
Weird brag
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>>174556311
Sound mixing has been irredeemable trash since the dark knight
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>>174556311
My wife uses subtitles but I have an irrational hatred of them. I would mind them less if there were options to not have closed captions like <breathing heavily> or shit like that. Just takes me out of a scene when the bottom of the screen says <gunfire>
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>>174557202
Because they think doing that is like delicately seasoning pigswill. You'll watch it anyway so why bother?
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>>174556311
I'm 25 and I use subtitles. I can watch a Clint Eastwood Western just fine without them but put on a modern movie and I can't understand the mumbling while explosions go off in the background.
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>>174557232
Me too. But I don't understand like 50% of the lines.
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>>174556311
I feel like gen Z watch stuff on their phone in the bus or train or at work and they can't really have it at full volume so they put on the subtitles
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fucking god damn hate it, i turn up the volume to hear the dialogue and then crazy loud sound effects happen
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Zoomers can't actually read. They use abbreviations and emojis for literally everything. They may be on the internet but they're not reading articles or information, they're reading "baka :emoticon:"
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Reasons I sub

>movies and shows are never worth your full attention
>people don't speak clearly anymore
>poor equalization
>sometimes I mute it and do something else
>I'm trying to sleep so I put the volume on low but want to know what's going on
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>>174558194
I put on Patton the other day and the sound was still fucked
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>>174556311
I've liked cc ever since I was a kid. always put it on and I had no hearing problems. never really knew why I did it but once I discovered it on the remote I'd always set it up.
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>fixes your sound distortion
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Streaming sites sometimes use weird audio settings. I've compared pirated copy and using streaming site. I sometimes get more stable and clearer audio with local player.
I'm guessing it could be that some streaming defaults to some surround shit while I've forced local media player to output stereo and normalize everything and anything that I put through it, since I only have stereo speakers
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Maybe your precious movie directors could actually hire people that know how to sound mix.
NOBODY wants to blow out their ears whenever an action scene happens
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>>174558625
maybe get actual audio setup or learn to downmix to your fucking iphone speaker. fucking imbecile
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>>174556555
This. It's given me tinnitus, but also my old Counter-Strike days of soundboards.
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>>174558715
I have a Cinestar theater in my town faggot and most movies are nearly unwatchable without earplugs nigger Nolan lover
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I don't know, lets see 2 movies from different time periods and see which one needs subtitles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3Mg_5wqewU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y33ZNE5pcfc
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>>174558895
How the fuck is the second video mixed so badly? Jesus.
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>>174556311
Anime
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Probably helps zoomers all watch anime so they had to learn to get good with reading subtitles, guess it's not a great leap from that to doing them in english
actually where is this data from maybe it's actually from them watching anime
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>>174558895
I shan't be watching your comparison because I plan to watch that first movie this weekend
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blocks your path
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Zoomers do a lot of reading but not in any meaningful way. You have to understand that art and engagement with art are completely foreign concepts to them. Art does not exist for them, instead they are only ever exposed to pop culture ad campaigns that reward user engagement.

So they just don't have the patience for movies. They read 120-character Twitter posts, they send short text messages, they look at terse, maximum-outrage headlines. If you give them a novel, they'll skip everything but the dialogue because they want to "get to the point". And subtitles work the same way. They flash across the screen like a phone notification. It gives a fleeting, momentary feeling of engagement as they read the subtitle. They don't have to really pay attention to a movie, they can just stare at the bottom of the screen to get "the important stuff".
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>>174556555
>CAUSE YOUR NEIGHBOURS FUCKING DID!!!
kek. so true.
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>decline of sound mixing
>actors enunciating less for realism
>ADHD-addled zoomers have auditory processing issues
>zoomers can’t stop talking while watching shit
>zoomers too stupid/poor to use headphones or quality speakers instead of shitty TV speakers
all factors
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>>174556443
>Mixing in modern movies sucks
No it's the opposite. The audio levels have always been fucked because the retards who made movies didn't consider the possibility that people would want to watch a movie at home without having their ears blown out. I can give a recent example of this.
>be me
>watch tombstone
>turn volume up go hear dialogue
>shootout happens
>loud as fuck
>whenever the score appears it is obnoxiously loud
>turn volume down
>character dialogue is now harder to understand
You have to do so much audio adjustment when you want to watch an older movie. I think it's still a problem with new movies too to be fair. At least with subtitles I don't have to mess with audio levels the whole time. I think people who have grown up without the option being considered the default aren't really taking into account just how funcking annoying audio levels in media can be.
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>>174556960
Imagine taking care of someone else’s kid LMAO
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>>174558276
I saw a friend's kid come in from school once, sit down on a massive comfy couch in front of the most impressive living room media setup I've ever experienced, the guy spent literally a small fortune on it, and the little shit pulls out their fucking phone and starts watching a movie on it using earbuds. We should seriously be considering the systematic extermination of everyone between the ages of 5 and 25 and just start over, losing a whole generation would do less damage to the species than allowing this bundle of cretins to reach positions of power and authority.
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>>174556311
When did sound mixing get so bad ? Even in the 90s they were putting out films that had a lot of dialog that was unintelligible
Yet really old films sound fine
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>>174559295
And I want to add something. It's probably because I'm not american(australian)but I found the dialogue hard to understand at times. Not hear mind you, but I legitimately had a hard time understanding what the fuck the actors were saying. Especially Val kilmers character doc holiday. Is this a common thing with westerns?
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>>174556960
Imagine taking care of someone else sperm.
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>>174559407
They were trained to speak in a way that microphones at the time could pick up. Since that became less of a necessity as audio technology got better you had alot of tv shows and movies come out with actors who spoke more naturally.
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>>174557437
But that's nothing new. If you mean pop musicians then they were always performing other people's music.
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>>174556426
Yep, even in a sound balanced room, with all the special effects and loudness in movies I always end up missing a few lines so I use subtitles
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>>174559463
This 19 year old kid manned up! He is committed to that child, even if the sex and relationship with the mother dries up
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>>174556960
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>>174559171
forgot to mention
>loudness war has legitimately damaged zoomers’ hearing
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>>174556311
They've gotten used to reading subtitles from watching anime. That's pretty much all there is to it.
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>>174556426
Late reply to FPBP, but this is actually a thing. GO to any stage play, watch any TikTok or even any TV advertisement; people talk less clearly nowadays, all because of it originating in movies/TV series some years ago, and as people grow up watching it they speak like that themselves.
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It's always funny to me when Americans think you need to get used to reading subtitles, as if reading something while at the same time focusing on something else isn't something you do without any effort as long as you aren't an illiterate mutt.
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>>174556426
>>174556436
this, sounds quality and dialogue are fucking shit in movies today



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