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Ein Alain Delon film
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Be Jango Fett

-Best Bounty Hunter in the Galaxy
-Mandalorian warrior
-can have any woman he wants
-vapid Twi'lek whores begging him to fuck and impregnate them
-no, I will not sully the Fett name with degeneracy and inferior woman
-no woman can meet my standards
-but want a son to pass my legacy onto and raise up as a warrior like me
hired by some wealthy count to pull a job
-success as usual, but the old count says he wants to make an entire Clone Army out of me
-idea: keep one of the clones as my son
-remain a virgin while still getting to raise my boy
-Mfw since he is 100% the same as me, later becomes the greatest bounty hunter in the galaxy as well

Don't let these galactic sluts dilute your DNA, lads. Remain pure, do not give into temptation
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One about stormtroopers
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Majority of the OT stormtroopers aren't clones. They don't have Jango's voice, they all have different heights, and they'd still be too old because George made it a point that Jango clones have accelerated aging. Not to mention their effectiveness. Clones wouldn't be taken down by Ewoks and loosely trained Rebels.
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Delta Squad is back!

But Dave Filoni himself promised not to used Deltas in any way because he was afraid he would ruin them for the true SW fans. Fuck him for not keeping his word and reliyng on a superior Star Wars content and nostalgia yet again.

He promised not to use them, because George would alter something, as usual.
But George isn't around anymore.
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>He promised not to use them, because George would alter something, as usual.
But George Lucas himself oversaw the Republic Commando, and it turned out to be a massive hit.
I bet Dave Filoni wil find a way to ruin them somehow anyway.
God this show is trash, I wish the sniper guy shot every one of his former squadmates.
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Dave Filoni loves RC and George Lucas didn't oversee the game, he just told to give them colors and personality, because they were originally all plain white.

IGN: You teased the Republic Commandos a couple seasons ago when we got a little glimpse of them in a dialogue scene. This time, we did get one in action, but obviously he was a little shaky to begin with, though he got his groove back. Might this be a little sign of things to come as far as full Republic Commandos in action down the line?

Filoni: You know, we’ve toyed with it, and I’ve brought it up from time to time, but we never fully committed to doing a big arc with the Commandos. We have experimented with special ops types of clones. There’s stuff in the works, but I would say that it almost goes beyond what you think of as general Republic Commandos, but it’s definitely in the vein of that. I don’t like to promise stuff that we’re not going to deliver. Originally, Gregor wasn’t even a Republic Commando. Again, that’s one of those things that, when we got to the visual creation of it, I thought, “Well, if this guy is a survivor on his own, let’s make him really unique,” and that’s when we made him a Commando. I try to get them in there, and I know how much the fans like them. That’s one of the little sneaky things that I can do as the director behind it all. That doesn’t have to be in the pitch. I can just put that in there because I know that people will appreciate it. We even got the helmet view in this time, which is a direct nod to the game. Tim Longo, the guy behind the game, is great. I’ve met him and talked about that game, because I played it. It was awesome. There’s a whole subculture with the Star Wars fandom that’s the Republic Commando culture, so we get ‘em in there when we can. But it’s safe to say when there’s something like that and you get it in front of George, he’s going to give you his kind of version of it, which you maybe will see.
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Events that happened in legends are often referenced pretty closely, unless it contradicts something heavily. They have no reason to bring back Delta Squad and ignore the plot around it.

this is not even remotely true.
the on screen events even contradict things that happened in the new canon literature
They showed Sev in TCW and there would be no reason for them to abide by the plot of a non-canon game later on.
tHe reason they got rid of the EU was because it would give them that sort of freedom.

Sorry to break your headcanon.
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>They showed Sev in TCW
Sev went missing on Kashyyyk basically right before the events of Revenge of the Sith. TCW scene obviously happened much earlier before that. Republic Commando game hasn't been contradicted whatsoever, and it easily fits into canon. I guess we will see what happens next.

Sev goes missing during the battle of Kashyyk, and the story has been lining up pretty closely to how Delta Squad was represented in the EU, which is as Imperial Commandos. There'll obviously be some liberties taken, and some changes made, but Sev isn't going to just casually be hanging around a hangar.
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Sev was never MIA in canon.
Why is this so hard for people to wrap their heads around.
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The CIS were the ultimate jobbers. They lost almost every episode. Sometimes they win in the first or second parts of a three-part arc but get BTFO by the end.

TCW was republic propaganda. By RoTS it’s a stalemate, maybe the CIS are slightly losing. But they’re still holding the initiative in some parts of the galaxy and launching multiple offensives.
I see no reason to believe their armies or fleets are decisively being beaten at that point in time.
So either TCW is cherry picking every single republican win or it’s more even than we think and they just lie to us.
Given the presentation, I think lying makes most sense.
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TCW also basically only shows campaigns the main characters are involved in. It seems like Kenobi's unit starts out around the Seswenna Sector at the onset of the clone wars with Cristophis, Geonosis, Rodia, and Ryloth where the Techno Union is active but besides from a few episodes, we don't really ever see what's going on in the Tion Hegemony where Count Dooku leads from or the banking clan space area and those are all in different parts of the galaxy.
We don't know if fighting is taking place there, what Jedi are leading in those fronts, who's winning etc.
On top of this after like 2 seasons Dave Filoni all of a sudden has the characters running around doing dumb shit like rescuing R2 and random diplomacy missions rather than leading armies like the Jedi are supposed to. It's very odd and I think TCW really doesn't fit in with legends.
He also throw GAR organization out the window.
I love the show but it's not reliable or lore friendly and constantly beating General Grievous like you said is another major issue.
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That's why the CWMMP was better, they actually treated the CIS like a threat.

In the movies they are shown as dangerous multiple times. Their fighters and missiles score multiple kills in the space battle in ep3. They have tons of dangerous war machines and weird spider robots that are on par with republic tech.
TCW has different priorities, being a kid’s show and all that. It wants to humanize clones, so they rarely get slaughtered by droids.
Even though exposed clones could easily get massacred by legions of droids, their ships destroyed, vehicles torn up by rocket fire etc

Republic never fucking loses. They always win in the end.
Three straight years of winning crushing victories??

TCW is propaganda:
CIS fought hard until the very end before they were stabbed in the back and the armies deactivated, and then in the show they just eat defeat constantly.
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The scales of the Clone Wars involved are truly massive- ww2 tier battles

An attack on a Republic/CIS stronghold devolves into Stalingrad-esque close quarters combat, tons of vehicles and ebbing and flowing fire support, supporting naval action.
Tons of attrition suffered by every side, easy to push reinforcements with hyperspace means the fighting can truly go on for years.
We are talking millions of casualties in a single battle for a single side. just put CIS losses at 10-20x the Clones for the accurate figures
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The 'heroes on both sides' line felt always wrong,
The CIS is never shown to be anything but mindless droids led by greedy elite aliens and Sith Lords. In every instance that sparks the Clone Wars the CIS are the aggressors. If anything, it should be 'villains on both sides' seeing as how the Republic falls.

Number one: republic started the war. the CIS was just looking for secession (are they not allowed?) and the Jedi undermined sovereign systems building their own armies with spies and engaged in offensive warfare to extract their spies.
The republic is the aggressor in the conflict. High taxation, liberal use of Jedi for strong-arming weak individual systems, rampant corruption etc.
number two: droids are people. If you think C3po is a character, if r2 is a character, then droids are too.
They are more people than clones, who don’t have any human weakness whatsoever (droids have several, like preservation, fear, cowardice etc).
Number three: there are obviously heroes. Like the buzz droids who give their life to chew a Jedi fighter to pieces for freedom of movement and freedom of taxation everywhere

No but seriously tho, Grievous is the prime example. Don’t dehumanize the CIS like a retard. They obviously have populations, people droids and so on that want that side to win.
Every nationalist country and planet thinks the CIS is rad and wants them to win. And they think General Grievous is a badass war hero.
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A few were, but the large majority were organic humans (occasionally human-like aliens who the Imperials regarded as "the good ones"). The Empire put a stop to making Clone Wars era Jango Fett clones, so the ones they had were the aging final generation.

Majority of the OT stormtroopers aren't clones. They don't have Jango's voice, they all have different heights, and they'd still be too old because George made it a point that Jango clones have accelerated aging. Not to mention their effectiveness. Clones wouldn't be taken down by Ewoks and loosely trained Rebels.
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The clones are bred and trained like machines.
The point of the war I would argue is a live training module for genetically engineered super soldiers vs machines.

Quality vs Quantity

If the republic lost a battle do you not think they analyzed why they lost and vice versa for both sides constantly improving their tactics.

When the War ends Palpatine has access to all the data and can then use his generals and admirals to improve upon it.
What is Darth Vader?
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Why did Lucas set up the Clone Wars as such unrelentingly grim development in AOTC, then make it a complete joke in ROTS? Like wasn't the whole point of Super Battle Droids that they aren't shit, but in ROTS they have the same personality and effectiveness as the normal ones? Shouldn't Obi and Anakin be taking this rescue operation to save the President, who got directly kidnapped from the White House in the biggest battle in history over the skies of Washington, seriously? They're like Goku and Vegeta, all hyped to fight and retarded, and Dooku is as well, doing a performative flip when he enters the room?
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Nature v Instrumentalised specialisation is one of the key themes of Star Wars. In Phantom Menace the droids are a threat to the mostly stable and harmonious but softening galactic order, but they're knocked down by The Jedi (who are the paragons of the natural law of the universe) and the naboo/gungan alliance (high culture/civilisation and nature uniting to fight to perverted unnatural culture). The seeds of the downfall of the republic and natural order are sown here, as Padme pushes Naboo on the path towards its own instrumentalisation for the sake of survival. To defeat the droids and CIS to some extent they have to become them. The peaceful gungans rally their army, the fancy elaborately uniformed naboo palace staff start waging Secret Service style action gun battles. They're far from monsters, just the teeth of nature at this point.

But Attack of the Clones is the next escalation of this phenomena. The CIS aren't fucking around, they're led by a Sith advisor, Darth Tyranus.

Tangent on Count Dooku, All of those sensitive to the 'force' in Star Wars can be thought of as representing the same types as the psychic movies of the 70s. Carrie, Scanners, The Fury. They're the extra-sensitive and full of potential paragons of nature. There's a line in Scanners that lays this all out. "We were the dream, he's the nightmare." The antagonist in that movie is more or less The Emperor/a Sith. The most sensitive and capable members of society have many paths open to them. They can be driven insane by their sensitivity to their environments, they can become heroic servants of the greater flourishing of the whole world (jedi), or they can decide that the great plan written on our hearts is a muddled lie and live for their own great works (sith).
who has gone rogue, also tied into our own history's most sensitive, being a Count. Think of how many revolutions are fuelled by aristocrats.),
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The new droids are lethal in AotC because it's the CIS upping the ante against the Republic. They tried to strongarm naboo, then naboo raises some teeth and claws and fights them off. So then the CIS create way more droids, including standardised mass produced ones that are way stronger. And they start moving to break off entire systems from republic authority to start moving in their own selfish and unnatural ways. The republic can't find a wholesome answer to this problem in a hurry. The super battle droids are badass and are able to outgun the republic's natural guardians (the jedi). So the Republic answer with the clones. Being flesh and blood they're still more wholesome than the droids, but they're also instrumentalised beings grown in test tubes and raised solely for purpose. Lucas deliberately makes their production process resemble his own THX1138. The clones even have similar code-designations if i remember right.

To resist the forces that are trying to break away from the harmonious order of the universe the republic has to become less natural and harmonious itself. The jedi wear farmer robes, dress in earthy colours. Lucas is big on colour. Good guys are natural colours, bad guys are shiny unnatural ones. The clones dress in white ceramic armour. They're another step away from the earthy and beautiful uniforms of the naboo guards and the jedi outfits. The republic is starting to resemble the CIS.
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The glibness in RoTS that runs through the first two acts, when in previous movies the Jedi characters were always brooding and intense, or at least professional. Why?

I feel like Lucas failed to make it seem like a real war and them being war heroes, a lot was lost by making the Jedi army full of clones. It should have been a military of the republic vs clones and droids. Then we feel like there is more at stake rather than clones vs robots. I don't have a problem with them having fun and cracking jokes as long as at the end of the day I see some seriously heroic stuff. Unfortunately I never really saw this in Anakin or Obi wan, other than a couple of times where Anakin seems to care about a clone. His fall to Darth Vader also happens way too suddenly and for an incredibly stupid reason. The fear that breaks him should have been at the power of the dark side, Sideous, being far stronger than him and the other Jedi's and feeling betrayed by them for not letting him know how powerful they are and realizing that it's impossible to fight them, not him trying to save his wife. The whole thing had so many mistakes we barely even saw "the clone war", if you think about it this opening scene of "star wars" was one of the only times we see them fighting in a war in space, the only other battles happen on the ground. More space battles would have made it much better. So many missed opportunities, also casting Hayden was a huge error. He doesn't have any Darth Vader vibes and doesn't look like a hero, he just looks like a skinny boy even in the final film. It's laughable how he was put in the Vader outfit because it just doesn't fit. They didn't even cast someone with a similar voice to James Earl Jones how you would imagine outside of the suit.
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The glibness in RoTS that runs through the first two acts, when in previous movies the Jedi characters were always brooding and intense, or at least professional. Why?

I think I would have liked to see a more grim take on the war as well but the point of that atmosphere was to push it as sort of "the old glory days." You glibness is meant to sell Obi-Wan and Anakin as brothers. It's supposed to be a sort of sweet optimistic feel to contrast with the way their relationship ends. It's a borderline "fun" battle with action, adventure, and glory that they could proudly recall in later years had it resolved on a more positive note. Now you could argue whether or not Lucas was able to achieve the brotherly camaraderie he was going for with their banter, but that's a separate discussion altogether.

What I really want is a Battlefront movie focusing on a group of clones and maybe a lesser known jedi with Grievous as the primary antagonist.
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Clone Wars is a textbook example of a "noodles incident" type situation where no actual explanation could live up to it's hype.

Originally, pre-Prequels, the few clues we had was that it was a galaxy wide war involving the Republic versus an evil overlord who was mass cloning soldiers to to conquer the galaxy and IIRC the Mandalorian race was on the side of the evil Overlord.

But the final canon version bore zero resemblance to the hints and clues we had. We ultimately got the Separatists led by Count Dooku and the Trade Federation (and Palpatine/Sidious as the secret master of them all) and their droid horde versus the Republic, the Jedi, and their Clone Army. Who may or may not have been created by Emperor Palpatine in secret to serve as sleepers who would turn on the Jedi when the time came.

But even after AOTC, we had Genndy's Clone Wars cartoon which was decanonized almost immediately and replaced with a Lucas approved CGI cartoon that actually explored the Clone Wars in full.
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The droid army exposed their weakness back in TPM, a control ship commands an entire battalion, take that out and the Federation is defenseless. The answer was the Republic clones, who think independently but still obey their commands. The Separatist answer to that was General Grievous, an organic creature supported by droid technology and a formidable warrior that's killed several Jedi. Which is all supposed to show the evolution that culminates with Darth Vader, a Jedi fused with Trade Fed droid tech.
But ultimately the Clones proved themselves superior to droids. The war was prolonged needlessly to frame the Capitol insurrection on the Jedi, as an excuse for more power with Order 66 and forming the Galactic Empire.

Lucas directed it as a kids movie, but it was still a grim story of Palpatine playing the whole galaxy for fools.
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>The fear that breaks him should have been at the power of the dark side
I thought the whole point of the Dark Side is its like heroin. It lets you use the force quicker and faster. However it relies on negative emotions like anger. Fear didn't seem squarely a negative emotion to me, even healthy as it keeps you from doing stupid shit. The only time it manifest as negative is if it somehow empowers your antagonist, or causes you to do something rash. I could see love quickly leading to anger, but fear leading to anger is something else.

Specifically, the fear of not being powerful enough to protect them from Darth Sidious should have been what caused him to flip out and turn against the Jedi. When he fully realizes that he has no ability to stop Sideous and that the Jedi don't either and that they are essentially stupid and weak fools, he should have ended up feuding with them, eventually fighting them as Darth Sideous kills his friends and his wife. Eventually fearing for his own life he should have flipped in an effort to gain as much power as he can and learn enough to defeat Darth Sideous staying close by his side but eventually being filled with the dark side and hating everything around him he could have lost the whole point of taking his revenge, having lost his wife and his friends now he just hates everything around him and wants to stomp everyones guts out because he knows he can never bring them back. Planning and plotting to kill Emperor Palpatine the whole time, after decades not to make the Galaxy a better place but simply replacing Emperor Palpatine in his hatred of everything. Being obedient up front so that he could learn more about the dark side but never quite learning enough to defeat him and never feeling powerful enough to do it until Luke comes a long and just confronts The Emperor and seeing the last shred of hope after decades biding his time he saw the opportunity and destroyed him. It seemed like this is what they were implying in the OT.
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It's actually astounding how visually beautiful George Lucas' eye for composition is. Is there any other film released since that stands up to this level,
From the purely blockbuster popcorn sphere that this film belongs in. Like, its contemporaries such as the Pirates of the Caribbean films don't really compare but it's insane how almost two decades later the current spate of popcorn mega populist films look like ass next to this.

Because George Lucas was an actual old-school educated filmmaker, with actual, real cinema influencing him. Look at THX 1138 and American Graffiti. But he lowered himself to making blockbuster movies for kids in 1977, whereas his friends, namely Spielberg and Coppola, moved on to making real cinema. I don't think he ever recovered. Star Wars has become somewhat of a burden and regret to him, and later an obsession, due to many factors in his life, namely divorce with his wife, and all the regrets and pride that came afterwards.
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Boba's sister Omega, will she appear in The Book of Boba Fett?

Maybe. Though she'll be old as fuck by then. Boba may be like 8 years older than her chronologically, but she'll be almost 20 years physically older than him since she ages 2x faster.

>since she ages 2x faster
Here's a few obvious ways around that. One is if they go the Force clone babby route she just uses her powers to fix her aging. Because the Force is life and it can do anything, blah blah blah. The second is that they obviously aren't done with Kamino yet, and Nala Se has a very deep connection to the kid. I mean not just her assistant, as she keeps saying, but the kid has Kaminoan jewelry and Nala Se helped her escape and her conversation with the prime minister made it clear this was not part of his plan. If anyone might know a way to stabilize the rapid maturation of the clones it would be Nala Se. You could even split the difference. The Kaminoan science cure fails but the Force doesn't, for extra retard hippy points.
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>One is if they go the Force clone babby route she just uses her powers to fix her aging
But she has no powers.
>If anyone might know a way to stabilize the rapid maturation of the clones it would be Nala Se.
Might know a way? Doubtful as I doubt the Kaminoans were ever interested in finding out how to slow the aging process down because it would be pointless to them. Though I'm sure She ''could'' look into discovering a way. Though I doubt she will because it probably cannot work on an organism past the cellular, borderline earliest fetal stages.
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>But she has no powers.
Hence the
>if they go the Force clone babby route
Given her level of insight into people beyond her age and potentially showing off Jedi reflexes with her first blaster shot outshooting the Bad Batch's badass sniper, there's some pretty good chances she's speshul that way.
Also you're thinking the cure for the aging would be really super tricky. They made the accelerated aging, it stands to reason they'd have at least some ideas on how to reverse it and Nala Se being so high up in the cloning project would make her the perfect person to do so. If her connection to the kid is actually affectionate enough then she could take it upon herself to engineer a means to give the girl the full measure of a normal life.

>Though I doubt she will because it probably cannot work on an organism past the cellular, borderline earliest fetal stages.
Okay, see, this is just stupid of you trying to guess how their fictional alien science magic works. The answer is it does whatever the writer's want, either for or against fixing clone aging. I mean god damn this isn't even anything new. The EU actually did have a fix discovered. It was in the super snowflake commando squad books tied to the Mandos. Karen Traviss, I believe. Make of that what you will.
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>Given her level of insight into people beyond her age
What insight? She's a kid and was attracted to the Bad Batch because they're defective clones, like her.
>and potentially showing off Jedi reflexes with her first blaster shot
That wasn't Jedi reflexes. That was her having a lucky shot from exercising the inherent proficiency of her genetic template. That was the Jango in her beginning to shine seeing as he was an exceptionally talented marksman and gunslinger.

>Also you're thinking the cure for the aging would be really super tricky
I am, because that's what would make sense.
>They made the accelerated aging, it stands to reason they'd have at least some ideas on how to reverse it
They might, but again it probably has to happen in the earliest stages of development. Just making it so that they can alter their genetic makeup that easy at any stage of their life is too convenient and boring.
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>What insight? She's a kid and was attracted to the Bad Batch because they're defective clones, like her.
She senses what is wrong with Crosshairs and talks to him about it. And don't give that lame excuse about her knowing about the chips. By that point ALL the Bad Batch have figured it out but somehow only the new kid spots the changes when the people who worked alongside him for their entire lives haven't?
>That was her having a lucky shot from exercising the inherent proficiency of her genetic template.
Just ask Obi-Wan what he thinks about luck in Star Wars, anon. Plus when also Jango clones are impressed that doesn't make you think, "Huh, that was a suspiciously good shot." If anyone would know what their genetic template can do they would, but, get this, they didn't.
>again it probably has to happen in the earliest stages of development
Even in the real world we can edit genes and genetic expression outside the fetal stages. Again, assuming how magic alien science works is ridiculous. It's such an obvious plotline it's actually already been done before in Star Wars stories.
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>She senses what is wrong with Crosshairs and talks to him about it. And don't give that lame excuse about her knowing about the chips.
But her knowing about the implants is exactly the reason. She's Nala Se's assistant and it possibly adopted daughter. If there was any one single clone (apart from Rex) that would know about the implants, it's her. They basically throw it in our faces.
>Plus when also Jango clones are impressed that doesn't make you think, "Huh, that was a suspiciously good shot."
No, it doesn't make me think that. It just makes me think "like daughter, like father".
>Again, assuming how magic alien science works is ridiculous. It's such an obvious plotline it's actually already been done before in Star Wars stories.
In what? If you're gonna cite the EU then you need not answer because that stuff doesn't counts for anything.
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>But her knowing about the implants is exactly the reason
Again, if it was then they'd all be able to recognize it since they all know about the programming by that point. At most Tech seems to suspect as there's that suspicious cut when he talks about not being 100% certain that the special clones are all unaffected.
>No, it doesn't make me think that. It just makes me think "like daughter, like father".
And yet none of the other clones thought that, which is indeed telling. With millions of Jangos being crapped out on Kamino if that indeed were a thing they of all people would be familiar with it, especially after they'd been told by Tech that she's a clone. That Hunter was surprised is telling. At this point the only thing suspect is your thinking process.
>If you're gonna cite the EU then you need not answer because that stuff counts for anything.
I assume you mean doesn't count for anything, though given how much of the EU they are data mining these days that's a dumb claim. Even then the point isn't that they need the EU to justify it, it's that it was so obvious even the shitty EU did it. So why be shocked, shocked I tell you, when the nu canon does something similar.
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>At most Tech seems to suspect as there's that suspicious cut when he talks about not being 100% certain that the special clones are all unaffected.
Yeah. But he didn't know the actual source being the implants, nor would he have had a reason to know it was that specifically. Omega does since she worked directly under the person who was in charge of that.
>And yet none of the other clones thought that, which is indeed telling
Not really. She's a kid and she made a good shot because she got her time to aim and has the talent for it because of being from the Jango template and nobody was shooting at her in the moment. That's it. Nothing about what she did indicated force sensitivity. The force may have been with her as it channels through people like that, but not in so much that can be identified as consciously using it.
>I assume you mean doesn't count for anything
Correct.
>though given how much of the EU they are data mining these days that's a dumb claim
I disagree. Because whatever they do mine they heavily retool so that it can fit into Star Wars.
>So why be shocked, shocked I tell you, when the nu canon does something similar.
I'd be less so much shocked as I would be disappointed, because lime I said before, just giving her a "fix" for the accelerated aging would just be boring. And odd considering that if it was something that could be done, then why wouldn't have Se done it sooner? She's high up in authority that she probably could've done it on the down-low if she wanted. Especially before the war broke out.
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>But he didn't know the actual source being the implants
The source of the programming shouldn't matter. If it turns all the Regs against their own beloved Jedi Generals they know it's something strong and normally irresistable, without either genetic aberrations from the Reg template OR major damage to the brain corrected with cybernetics.
>She's a kid and she made a good shot
All of the clone troopers began training as kids. We even saw them being given tours of Republic military ships and so on. She didn't even have that much. If it was just a matter of the template being so super awesome that they can be awesome shots without training then the Kaminoans are really padding out their bill to the Republic.
>heavily retool so that it can fit into Star Wars.
Which would matter if Star Wars had one thing it was supposed to be. TCW went in a lot of different directions, and that was just one cartoon series (under Lucas' personal supervision). It's funny though because the one complaining I keep hearing about Nu Wars is that it shits on everything that was Star Wars. I think you're the first I've seen claim that Disney won't do something because it's not Star Wars enough. Funny old world, really. It really does take all kinds.
>would just be boring
That sounds like a personal issue. Because it is.
>then why wouldn't have Se done it sooner?
You can say that about getting Omega offworld. She could have done it sooner, so why wait until she can get the kid to escape with super dangerous clones wanted by big bad brand new Empire?
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>The source of the programming shouldn't matter.
Nevertheless, Omega has plenty reason to know what specifically is causing it that weighs immensely more in favor of her being empathetic due to force sensitivity (of which there is none to suggest it).
>If it was just a matter of the template being so super awesome that they can be awesome shots without training then the Kaminoans are really padding out their bill to the Republic
It was a matter of her templates inherent proficiency AND luck. You can go ahead and say that Obi-wan thing, but that's Obi-wan's opinion.
>I think you're the first I've seen claim that Disney won't do something because it's not Star Wars enough
Oh, they would and have (see the ST). But it's clear that Disney doesn't care about anything but the movies because they still think that the movies are the leading medium of Star Wars. If they did think otherwise then everything made since 2012 would've been shit just like the ST instead of being good to great like it has been.
>You can say that about getting Omega offworld. She could have done it sooner, so why wait until she can get the kid to escape with super dangerous clones wanted by big bad brand new Empire?
Or before the War started. That would've been more ideal to do anything regarding Omega before Kamino became a war target.
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>in favor of her being empathetic due to force sensitivity (of which there is none to suggest it).
That actual scene suggests it. That kind of insight is precisely one of the clues they've used in the past to hint at Force potential. The other is exceptional skill beyond what a person should normally have, be it piloting or (get this) combat.
>It was a matter of her templates inherent proficiency AND luck. You can go ahead and say that Obi-wan thing, but that's Obi-wan's opinion.
I think we're at the end of this discussion here because if you're going to dismiss what's in the actual movies there really is no getting through your thick skull. If we really need more evidence of this then consider:
>Or before the War started. That would've been more ideal to do anything regarding Omega before Kamino became a war target.
It was a galaxy wide war, anon. Where, precisely, do you think Nala Se would think she would be safe? Not in the outer rim. Not in the inner rim. Not in the core. The best she could do is keep the kid close. There's also the very real possibility that any feelings Nala Se has for Omega may not have appeared magically at conception but were fostered over raising the kid, so it may not have been as strong or there at all before the war.
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It's not like Obi-Wan Kenobi is some rando with an opinion. He's the very first Jedi Master we were introduced to and meant to teach Luke and expand his normie horizons into the mystical realms of the Force. Plus he's literally plugged into a deeper aspect to a super awesome powerfield connected to all existence. At this rate you might as well claim that Luke destroying the Death Star was luck plus his genetic heritage being the son of Anakin Skywalker.
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So, she's force sensitive right?
Omega can use the Force?

I'm betting it's a case of "We tried to introduce some Jedi DNA into this clone and it went wrong."

Or she is a copycat. She mimicked Hunter's mannerisms, she was a crack-shot her first time firing a blaster, and they made a point of showing her closely watching how Tech jumped to hyperspace.
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Maybe. The Jedi worked on Kamino and while the Kaminoans thought the Jedi were a weird cult they'd recognize such powers and the potential to weaponize it for the ultimate military clone. After Emperor Palpatine demonized the Jedi, however, such a creation would likely get them in a lot of shit. They can already see where things are headed with the Empire ignoring their contracts.

The easy thing to do would be to kill the little shit, throw her in a sack with a bunch of rocks and sink the corpse to the bottom of their ocean, but they don't yet know how bad things really are after Palpatine's power play. Kaminoans created an army that conquered the bulk of the galaxy. There's no way he'll let them continue doing business. The technology alone is reason to BDZ the entire planet. Lama Su protected the kid, so it's possible there's some kind of affection there.

The other possibility, mentioned in other threads, is that their sample of Jango are losing their potency and Omega is like the ultimate fuckup. When your clones get so erratic they spontaneously grow vajayjay it's going to be hard to hide this fact from your clients. They're trying to keep the ruse cruise going as long as they can but again don't realize how different the Empire is from the Republic. In the Republic they could stall in the Senate and in the courts. In the Empire there's only Emperor Palpatine skullfucking the galaxy forever (or that's his dream).
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She's too old for any of that. Chonologically, she's five years old. Which means she was born two years before Jango died. During that period the Kaminoans had ample tissue samples from him to use as cloning material and it would also mean that she was born two years before Obi-wan set foot on Kamino. And as far as we know, he was the first force sensitive person to set foot on Kamino since Sifo Dyas and Dooku ten years before that.

But they were saying that Jango's special juice was breaking down when the Domino Squad were introduced and there's no way in hell clones THAT old weren't well into production when Jango was alive and living on Kamino.
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>they were saying that Jango's special juice was breaking down when the Dominos were introduced
Yes, but they weren't referring to Domino squad specifically. The whole reason why Jango lived on Kamino for those 10 years was to regularly provide tissue samples. Domino Squad, and subsequently Omega, were conceived and born during that period. Any batch of clones produced from "stretching" the last Jango sample were ones that were conceived after he died as he (like it was pointed out) was no longer there to provide samples anymore.

You're missing the point which is that they don't really care about the timeline. They've already declared things about it that make no damn sense. If you're point is that a relatively five year old clone makes no sense but somehow ten year old clones do, there's an obvious flaw in your reasoning.

>"I understand your concerns, Master Jedi. Ever since the unfortunate death of Jango Fett, we have had to stretch his DNA to produce more clones."
Lama Su was referring to Domino specifically but also to the later batches of clones in general as not being up to standards. There's something broken as hell about the timeline since the clones made after Jango's death were still goddamn babies and it would be a decade before they came to be used for anything, so it would make no sense for him to be referring to them.

An easy way to wave away the discrepancy is that Lama Su was basically making excuses for products that didn't meet the demands for which they were created. It's a lie to protect the business.
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Thats not how DNA works. You can't literally just mass produce it. Hence why its double stranded. unzip it, put it amino acids. both sides of the helix will create new partners. DNA is designed to be mass producible.
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Like the post said above, it's For the Plot™. None of it makes sense because it wouldn't have effected the Dominos anyway, but like >>159698267 said you can explain it away if you want. It really made no sense why Shaak Ti was told that the Jedi should look for another template like they expected the war to last for decades. It's still headcanon that isn't explicit from canon material, but sometimes that pans out like when Almec claimed Jango wasn't a Mando. People used that as proof even though Almec wasn't the most reliable source and had every reason go distance his people from Jango when talking to a Jedi representative. Fast forward to modern day and it turns out Jango was legit. Had a proper armor code and everything. Mind you this was after George Lucas was gone, nevermind that it involved his Padawan, Dave Filoni.
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So why was the Galactic Empire so quick to drop the Clones? Was it a money thing? Budget issue?

>So why was the empire so quick to drop the clones?
Because they existed to fight a war, capture planets and kill the Jedi. With no more war and 99% of the Jedi exterminated, they served their purpose.
>Was it a money thing?
It was certainly a contributing concern. Stormtroopers were always logically cheaper than Clones because a Clone needs to be paid for from conception, birth, rearing, education, training and outfitting. Whereas a Stormtrooper you already get everything for free up to education, so they only require a couple months training and gear provided and they're good to go.

In the end, Stormtroopers made more sense in every way because you don't need Clones to pacify a lynch mob, you need them for Jedi because a single Jedi Knight is much more dangerous than a mob of rabble. The rabble is for a security force, not an army of clone soldiers.
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So why was the Galactic Empire so quick to drop the Clones? Was it a money thing? Budget issue?
There's a number of reasons. They are so far playing it as Tarkin's idea, but there's plenty of theories that are probably pretty close to the truth. Everything from Emperor Palpatine not suffering any single world or people to have that much power over his own armies to finding it more satisfyingly evil and fuel for the Dark Side to take regular dickbag recruits and twist them into evil space Nazis. Using test tube child soldiers is pretty evil but corrupting galactic citizens to step on the necks of other galactic citizens, revel in their own power, that's pretty Dark Side which in turn fuels Sidious sadism.

Also it's almost assuredly that Sheev knew the Kaminoans were double-dealers and saw them as a potential future threat.
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I don't doubt that, but at the same time I'm iffy about that as the reason against it since he could just send in the troopers to "nationalize" Kaminoan cloning technology and produce all the new Clone Troopers he'd ever want using his own Imperial laboratories. The most reasonable explanation I've seen for why they wouldn't be practical is actually a timeline one. Emperor Palpatine wasn't about SECURING his new Empire, he wanted to expand it. This meant that he couldn't wait even ten years for new soldiers. It's much faster to take conscript regular humans because a round of grueling Imperial bootcamp and then slapping them in shiny white armor will let him scale up his forces in a tiny fraction of the time. He wouldn't need super elite soldiers, just sheer numbers, plus the beauty of Stormtrooper armor is since they all look the same they benefit from the reputation of the finest of his troops. The shitty guys who can't shoot straight to literally save their lives still psychologically gain bonus points from the actual scary motherfuckers who burn down entire planets. If you get people too scared to actually stand up to Stormtroopers it doesn't matter how shitty and incompetent they are.
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I just wanted a good final TCW season
Not the shit we got

Now the same handful of characters are being shilled over and over again
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Ahsoka and Rex were main characters of the show.
Story of Anakin and Obi-Wan was in Revenge of the Sith already.
Bounty hunters have no relevance to Rex, Ahsoka and The Siege of Mandalore.
Bane vs Boba arc will be reused in The Bad Batch or Book of Boba. Utapau arc will likely be mined for flashbacks in live-action Kenobi.
Darth Maul's escape was already covered in the comic book.
Ventress was already covered in the novel.

Sorry but
- TCW has always been an anthology series
- No reason to be 12 episodes, filoni just wanted it
- Bad batch serves no narrative purpose to the seasons story, as filoni ditched the anthology from the show
- Martez sisters arc wastes 4 episodes of runtime to tell ahsoka something she already knew and set something up in the last 5 mins
- Siege is a complete shit show with more plot holes than swiss cheese, leading to an unsatisfying ending
- The entire marketing of TCW S7 displays that its clearly Ahsoka: the show
- Many unfinished TCW arcs were not made, despite being intresting and serve a greater narrative purpose (e.g sith shrine arc, bounty hunters arc, yoda wookiees arc, crystal crisis)
- Obi-Wan and Anakin, also main characters are reduced to side characters
- No Grievous, Dooku or Ventress, despite stories existing that could be made with them present
- Retconning pages of the Ahsoka novel for no reason, but not retconning something like Dark Disciple.
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>TCW has always been an anthology series
Yes, but the main focus was always on Anakin, Ahsoka, Obi-Wan and Rex.
>no reason to be 12 episodes, filoni just wanted it
Source: your ass. Maybe that's what the mouse gave him.
>bad batch serves no narrative purpose to the seasons story, as filoni ditched the anthology from the show
No, it's an arc about Rex, that sets him up for the Siege, not the Bad Batch, they were just guest appearances.
>martez sisters arc wastes 4 episodes of runtime to tell ahsoka something she already knew and set something up in the last 5 mins
Knew what? This arc sets up the reason why Ahsoka would come back and fight again at all. While the sisters were annoying, the arc was important and has a direct connection to the Siege.
>siege is a complete shit show with more plot holes than swiss cheese, leading to an unsatisfying ending
No, it's not. It's one of the best pieces of SW media ever.
>the entire marketing of TCW S7 displays that its clearly Ahsoka: the show
Yeah, because she is the main character.
>many unfinished TCW arcs were not made, despite being intresting and serve a greater narrative purpose (e.g sith shrine arc, bounty hunters arc, yoda wookiees arc, crystal crisis)
Sith Shrine arc was also Ahsoka's arc. The rest will be reused, and they served no narrative purpose for the finale.
>Obi-Wan and Anakin, also main characters are reduced to side characters
Their story at that time is told in the movie called Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith
>No Grievous, Dooku or Ventress, despite stories existing that could be made with them present
Grievous and Dooku are in Revenge of the Sith, in Darth Maul comic book and Ventress novel.
>Retconning pages of the Ahsoka novel for no reason, but not retconning something like Dark Disciple
A few pages "retconned," which can be dismissed as unreliable narration and trauma suppression.

Stay mad!
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>Several arcs were before rots, why werent they made?
Because they had no relevance to the Siege of Mandalore. Crystal Crisis is irrelevant to the finale, and we've already had plenty of Anakin and Obi-Wan development and banter. And I am sure it will be reused in one form or another.
>Was to tell ahsoka "lol jedi bad" (while throwing the entire jedi order under the bus again) and set up bo katan finding ahsoka to help her in the last 5 mins
Was to explain why she would even consider coming back and fighting again after everything that had happened, she had to rediscover her values and priorities, after she had to leave her entire life behind. And don't pretend as if the Jedi Order doesn't deserve to be thrown under the bus.
>He literally acts the same as he always does, bad batch didnt change anything and clearly exists to set up the bad batch show
Not really, he takes a detour on a personal mission, something Rex has never done before, only for a slight hope of saving his friend he believed to be long gone. Rex was at the breaking point, he no longer considers loyalty to the Republic as his top priority, his loyalty lies with his closest friends, and that's why he's able to resist the programming for some time, and protect Ahsoka over clones. And while yes, Bad Batch were a guest appearance, they also served as a quasi-pilot for their series.
>You're reading too hard into it and coming to conclusions not even the creators intended, in an attempt to appear superior to everyone
Nah, you're just a brainlet.
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"It started with Ahsoka framed arc where Barris started spouting shit about the Jedi starting the war and wanting to perpetuate it forever as some god given facts, like we haven't see the first 100 episodes of the show where the Jedi fight against an army led by a old count that sold an entire colony of people to slavery just cause he's a dick.
They did it there to artificially build sympathy for Ahsoka's plight by bending the reality of the show to make the Jedi bad with them showing no support to Ahsoka and hunting her like she's Harrison Ford.
It was pure character assassination on a macro level where they're throwing the entire Jedi Order under the bus as some kind of warmongers, just to make Ahsoka be the one in the right. Even though she spent a good chunk of the show as a blood-thirsty berserker itching for a fight. Which fits perfectly with her being Anakin's apprentice. But, now she's a saint and everybody else is "God, I hope this war lasts forever! It's the best" Like the writers or most likely Filoni will tear reality asunder to get the desired perception.
And they're doing it again in this arc for these two. Luminara just shows up at the ruins of their house or whatever and says: "Ain't gotta explain shit; the Force, bitches. See ya!" and just leaves them homeless and orphaned to fend for themselves. Not even a cookie. The writers are clearly rigging the scale to give sympathy to these characters.
There's nothing wrong with having a show with morally grey characters, but The Clone Wars ain't that and it never was that cause the writers of the show clearly aren't capable of pulling off those types of scripts. The Separatists were portrayed as pure evil for the whole run of the show. That shark guy couldn't go 2 minutes without trying to bite someone's head off. Every time Dooku lands on a planet he either uses thinly-veiled threats or straight-up school-bullies the rulers of that planet to join his cause. But the Jedi are somehow evil ones."-/tg/
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TCW starts out as a kiddie cartoon and around the end of S2 gets really really good. You actually get to see Chancellor Palpatine putting together everyone's doom and how the Jedi and the Senate just had no chance.

At the end, you've got Slaver Queen just killing a couple dozen slaves to make a point, and Clones getting fed into a meat grinder while philosophizing about how they're genetically engineered to have no choice but to be brave and loyal, Palpatine slowly manipulating the Jedi into worse and worse situations where they have to be less and less human, etc. My favorite, when a clone goes crazy and murders a Jedi, leading to a ARC trooper finding out they've all got chips in their heads that will make them kill their Jedi, and the Kaminoans and Chancellor Palpatine conspiring to drug and frame him so he can't warn the Jedi.
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Before 66 comes 65 other numbers. That's the very definition of an implication, otherwise it would have been order 1.

>Before 66 comes 65 other numbers.
No, it's lazy writing on the behalf of EU. George Lucas is a visionary, he never cared about 65 previous orders. He cares about symbolism. Yet again, 66 most likely came because it means Friendly Fire or 66 because it sounds like 666. Everything else is EU hackery with MUH 150 CONTINGENCY ORDERS, AND CAN YOU IMAGINE, ORDER 65 WAS LITERALLY REMOVING THE CHANCELLOR FROM OFFICE(???)! WOULDN'T IT BE HILARIOUS IF PALPATINE SAID 65! LOL! BUT ORDER 66 IS SO SPECIAL, AND IT COULD COME ONLY FROM CHANCELLOR, HE COULD SINGLE HANDEDLY BRAND ALL(!!!) JEDI GENERALS AS TRAITORS WITHOUT THE SENATE'S INSPECTION, WITHOUT THE GAR HIGH COMMAND INSPECTION, AND YOU HAVE TO EXECUTE JEDI WITHOUT TRIAL AND INTERROGATION ON THE SPOT!
No, son. It's fucking retarded and lame. Fuck off with that shit.
No fucking way that shit would have worked, and no fucking way Jedi wouldn't look into it, when Yoda and Mace casually visit Senate meetings and the Chancellor. It's full of shit. Order 66 being a secret preprogrammed clone protocol, that absolutely every clone follows is plausible, because Darth Sidious WILL NOT bet the ultimate Sith plan that had been in works for centuries on some chance, that some Clone would disobey, or that the Jedi would find out that "contingency order," because UHMM ACKCHYUALLY it's a piece of legislation, and there are 149 other orders, LOL!
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Lama Su's and Obi-wans dialogue is the only movie source we have on the nature of the clones, and I think it says a lot about what kind of soldier-slaves the Republic knowingly bought from them. Every single one of these guys are possible perfect Einsatztruppen, they won't care one bit about interstellar geneva conventions.
That conversation is never contradicted by ROTS and I don't think that a friendly conversation and a haircut isn't enough to qualify for proof of agency.

>that a friendly conversation and a haircut isn't enough to qualify for proof of agency.
But it is. AotC, the beginning of the Clone Wars - they are all wearing white uniform, they are strictly pragmatic, limiting themselves only to "Yes, sir."
The only coloring on their armor is meant to convey their ranks within the military. They all have the same haircuts when we see a glimpse of them eating in AotC.
RotS is the end of the Clone Wars, three years have passed. Clones are painted, they mark their uniform and space ships, they take off their helmets regularly, they have different haircuts, and they chat with Obi-Wan in a friendly manner - a complete opposite of what we see in AotC. And I also reference George Lucas, who said that he specifically made the clones much more individualistic in Revenge of the Sith. This idea is yet again, spearheaded by Lucas for the Republic Commando videogame, and fully explored in The Clone Wars show. You can't just ignore George Lucas when it's convenient for your argument. With such meme arguments, I can say that only Star Wars 1977 is canon, it was meant to be one movie, and everything else was an afterthought.
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I'm not sure I quite understand the out phasing of the clones. I understand that conscripts are way cheaper but wouldn't it be a good idea to to still experiment with cloning and genetic engineering? Like if one of your conscripts turns out to be really good at his job, why not clone him or inject his genes into other soldiers? Obviously you don't need millions of clones but a few hundred might be good for special missions.

I also don't understand why the post-EU canon feels the need to make it clear that the OT era Troopers were all conscripts and none of them were clones. I get why the EU had to make it so that there was a mix of clones and conscripts, seeing how they needed to repair the canon. But I don't see why the new canon feels the need to dispel the idea that any of them were clones. Yeah, they had different voices and weren't all quite the same height but who said they were all clones of the same guy?
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They may have retconned it, but one of the reasons given in the past was that the clones fast-aging to get them ready in a fraction of a lifetime never stopped, so they aged and died off faster than a baseline human lifespan. Boba, being an unmodified clone with regular aging, didn't suffer that effect. Plus there was the danger that because Kamino speed-built one clone army for one government, they could certainly do it for another one if the price was right, so it was also a matter of shutting down cloning on the private sector as well as ridding the Empire of what would be turning into a regular replacement clone bill every 25 years or so when the old ones died and new ones had to be produced.

In addition, conscriptions from Imperial worlds into the Imperial military also had the supplementary benefit of providing the Empire with hostages to ensure member world behavior: fuck around and we either arrange for your sons to be returned to your world as conquerors or in bodybags, your choice.
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I think the intro at least gives some ok explanations and there’s ways you can see them justifying it. First off Admiral Tarkin is and always was in the previous show, “racist” against clones. He never liked them and now he’s in charge. Also, what would they need this super strong clone army for? They won.Conscripts can do garrison duty just fine. Also, an clone army that can be programmed to instantly turn on their masters is a dangerous thing, Emperor Palpatine probably didn’t want his own trick used against him.

Or maybe Emperor Palpatine decided that getting normal citizens to willingly sign up to do his dirty work and commit war crimes was more deliciously evil and fun than just buying a bunch of clones who do it because they can't disobey. Thus increasing the Dark Side and his hateboner sadism as a result.
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Boba's sister Omega, will she appear in The Book of Boba Fett?
Maybe. Though she'll be old as fuck by then. Boba may be like 8 years older than her chronologically, but she'll be almost 20 years physically older than him since she ages 2x faster.

But I don't think she is aging twice as fast. We don't know when she was created but if it was the same time as the rest of the Bad Batch she's aging normally like Boba Fett.
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>I don't think she is aging twice as fast
She obviously would as she comes from the same production lines as the rest of the clone army.
>We don't know when she was created
She appears physically 10, which means chronologically she's 5.

If she didn't come from from the same production lines and was created by the Kaminoans for their own purposes, then she wouldn't have been designated as defective and would've simply been regarded as their own private experiment. But she wasn't, because she was created from the commission for the GAR.

Also, if there was anything else different about her then Tech would've noticed and said something when he ran her bloodwork to confirm she was a clone.
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>She obviously would as she comes from the same production lines as the rest of the clone army.
If it helps we don't really know she's a Jango clone. It's heavily implied but never explicitly stated by Tech. Just that there were five special clones and he deduces, after analyzing her DNA, that she's the fifth. However given they are a cloner species they surely have other clone projects running even if the job for the Republic was their biggest contract at the time. I mean she could be the secret daughter-clone of Sifo-Dyas who sensed in the Force that he needed a legacy to carry out his important work while stupidly not sensing enough of why he'd need a special clone that he could sense who was going to kill him, why, and when. How would Tech know she's a clone? I'm sure there's markers that stand out to someone as smart as he is. It's obvious, really, why didn't you all not figure it out without him telling you?

>Boba was also created at the same time as the first clones you retard he just didn't get aged.
She's younger than Boba so even if she doesn't have accelerated aging she's still a few years after him in production.
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>owever given they are a cloner species they surely have other clone projects running even if the job for the Republic was their biggest contract at the time. I mean she could be the secret daughter-clone of Sifo-Dyas who sensed in the Force that he needed a legacy to carry out his important work while stupidly not sensing enough of why he'd need a special clone that he could sense who was going to kill him, why, and when.
Then she'd just be a private commission that the clone's owner never collected and not a defective clone. Also, Sifo Dyas was a chink, which Omega is not so she's definitely not a clone of him.
>How would Tech know she's a clone?
Well, it's not like Jango is still running around to make kids on his own so anyone around who shares genetic similarities to the clones must therefore be a clone of the Jango Fett template themselves. Basically a genetic relation to them is a pretty big indicator that they're a clone.
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>Then she'd just be a private commission that the clone's owner never collected and not a defective clone
There's no rule against not being defective with the first clone of a series. Just means that for whatever reason Nala Se didn't abort the fetus and for some reason raised her as her daughter-assistant.

You can say her CG model isn't "chink" enough but she's also not Jango enough that the other clones, used to starring at variations of their own faces on a daily basis, didn't see enough of themselves to recognize what she was.



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