After Neo comes back from the dead and kicks agent smiths ass, just before Neo kills Smith. If you look behind him, you can see one of the agents moving forward to help him, but the other one holds him backWhy?
>>157640342It shows that, for the first time, the Agents aren't on the same page. Half believes that they should save Smith or kill Neo, and the other half is attempting to preserve itself. The One has thrown them into such turmoil that they can't even agree on what to do. There IS no ideal path or easy solution. They can calculate every outcome but they can't see a way to win, either because the current events don't make sense to their internal logic or because there simply is no actions they can take that would result in their victory.
>>157640342Smith was kind of an asshole
>>157640342me on the left
>>157640404>>157640342Also, they already established earlier in the movie that Smith was acting WAY out of line for an agent. Getting emotional. Having his own motivation for getting the codes outside of it just being his job. One of the agents asks what he’s doing.I’m pretty sure if Smith had killed Neo and the One stuff never happened then Smith would’ve been flagged for deletion for becoming a rogue program.Hell, the fact thatAll 3 agents saw Neo stop bullets, and instead of hanging back and assessing things, Smith angrily runs to him to try and fight him, while the other two act calmly and rationally still, shows he was beyond the pale.
They just saw a meat bag jump into one of their cop-program buddies like a swimming pool and made him explode into green tapioca.At a glance...it looks like something they aren't ready to deal with, aren't aware of, and getting closer could end up doing the same thing to them. They're being cautious.
Why were agents so much more threatening in the first movie despite looking like balding beaurocrats?One of them looks scrawny and still feels threatening
>>157640489>They just saw a meat bag jump into one of their cop-program buddies like a swimming pool and made him explode into green tapioca.No. This was before he did that
>>157640493Superior cinematography is an aspect. They specifically stand in a way that looks like they're boxing you in and surrounding you, instead of just standing in a line. They also have a wall behind them instead of an empty alleyway, and are all looking down instead of meeting your gaze at eye-level.
>>157640493Because neo wasn't sleep fighting them at that point...anyone who encountered them up to that point got splattered.
>>157640519Was he kicking his ass or not?Was that out of the ordinary? Or not?
>>157640493Because until the very end of the first film Agents were unstoppable killing machines. From the end of The matrix onwards they were jobbers.
>>157640519When do you think the last time those agents saw one of their own get it's ass kicked like that?
>>157640551Why would they care if they got their ass kicked when they believed they were effectively immortal
>>157640493cus Neo doesn't have gameshark installed in the first movie
>>157640493Because the writers are hacks and had no idea what to do with the story after the first movie, its why they went to become trannies. They could not accept the red pill.
>>157640692The red pill represented estrogen chud
>>157640714nice try jewboy
>>157640714Naw, only if you retroactively make it so.Which is why the -less cringy- sister bro came back and leaned into the blue pill/red pill stuff by having NPH shove blue ones down neos throat to keep him subdued while having the new Matrix keep people busy with smart phones and pandemics.
>>157640616... obviously, because that wasn't part of the plan. They're immortality goes with the idea that they ALWAYS clap cheeks....so when they got THEIR own cheeks clapped, it brought everything into question and they had to assess the situation. Meat bags aren't supposed to be this bad ass...so tread lightly. Who knows.
>>157640493go back to lookism.net faggot
>>157640810The Wachowskis literally only made queer movies, before and after The Matrix. No, the pill is no estrogen but a metaphor for the realization that gender is a social construct (just like the Matrix is a constructed reality).Seethe and cope, chud
>>157640714>>157640900Please make frens, fren
>>157640900I know it gets flack but no need to call Speed Racer queer
>>157640493They’re SUPPOSED to look like balding beuarocrats. They’re meant to blend in and look like federal agents. Not look like bodybuilding models
>>157640900Yo shout out to my boy John Money
>>157640493Because there's nothing scarier than frumpy middle aged bureaucrats, they are the source of all evil on the planet.
>>157640714the red pill is marxism though
>>157640493bottom look like secret service goons who take bullets for presidentstop look like full blown glowie SOG sociopaths
>>157640533i rewatched the trilogy recently and the dropoff in cinematography and blocking in general after the first movie is fucking shocking
if the wachowskis had at literally any point during the production of the matrix thought about it being a trans metaphor they would've used the "residual self-image" mechanic that they wrote into the movie as a tool to have someone be female in the matrix and male in zion. it is literally the perfect tool to display that there are people whose inner self-image is a different gender, and they never once thought of it all movie long.
>>157640900Lololololol the only people with that take are the ones obsessed with tranny-ism. You want EVERYONE and EVERYTHING to be a derivative of your fetish...and it's just not so! ;D
Somebody uploaded Hugo Weaving’s script and his notes on his character in it!>>157641092
>>157641190originally Switch was going to be male IRL but female in the Matrix but WB execs said that would be too confusing for the audience, along with the idea of the Matrix being about harvesting human brain power for CPUs and not battery power
>>157640493Its all about the details. As other people pointed out, top looks more like creepy CIA glow niggers and not secret service agent body builders. The top has a more unnerving uncanny valley effect- their skin is more pale, the opacity of the sunglasses completely obscures their eyes/ eyebrows unlike the bottom and even their facial expressions seem 'off' - like they dont know how a human face is supposed to compose or express itself. They even have fucked up hairlines and the too long sideburns are anachronistic to whatever year its supposed to be in the first matrix. The original agents really captured the feel of something inhuman wearing a person disguise.
>>157641368Blocking is the term used for positioning the actors and deciding on their movement relative to the camera and everyone/everything else present, for logistics and communication of intent, etc.How the actors move in any given scene, basically.
>>157640493>One of them looks scrawny and still feels threateningidk man that looks like faggot to me
>>157640533>Superiorcause well it just is right
>>157640900>gender is a social constructThen why do biological females tend to have so much more bone density problems as they age?
>>157640493gay pornstars aren't threatening to anything but bumholes
>>157640493Top ones look more sinister and more willing to play dirty while the bottom ones look like all they can do is punch things.
>>157640493Those were the dudes at the January 6 insurrection, weren't they?
>>157642493You can read the thread, or even that post, to see why it's superior.
>>157640493They look like CHUDS
>>157643014you can watch the movies to see why it's different
>>157641115>TrilogyMatrix is one movie
>>157642651From carrying the weight of toxic masculinity
>>157643294Like how they are the biggest victims of war given women know many men who were injured/killed in wars?
>>157640342Something to remember about the programs is that they're not a hivemind, they have their own feelings about things, and ideas. Agent Jones and Agent Brown (yes I looked up their names) were clearly inferior to Smith in rank, and they did see him lose his cool when interrogating Morpheus and even ask something like, "What are you doing?" when they interrupt him later. Other than that we don't know a whole lot about them, so we can only speculate on possibilities.Maybe Jones wanted a promotion and couldn't get it while Smith was aroundMaybe Jones wanted to go home and their leader dying would allow that while a new unit takes their placeMaybe Jones saw that Smith was unstable and decided he had to go (or maybe even the Source told him not to save Smith)Maybe Jones recognised the anomaly (Neo - the One code) and saw how outmatched they were; if Smith wanted to throw his life away he couldn't stop him, but no point getting themselves killedMaybe Jones was working with the Oracle the entire time and he only had to help push events towards this conclusion (Neo corrupting Smith and vice-versa) before his job was done and he could fuck off, but he once saw Agent Brown playing with a puppy when he thought no-one was looking so he seems like a cool enough guy and worth saving even if it means potentially blowing his coverWe just don't know.
>>157640493The bottom guys are too handsome, the top guys look like actual glowniggers would look like.
>>157643539It’s interesting that agent jones tells smith to send in the sentinels to attack their ship after they lose Morpheus. Because that indicates only Smith has the authority or power to make that order, but by that point Jones is kind of fed up with Smith so he almost disrespectfully tells him to do something even though he’s his boss
>>157643539I like that moment when during interrogation scene one of them looks at Morpheus and says, almost in awe "I think they're trying to save them". Adds some humanity to them.
>>157643622Yeah. I think they were just surprised because like trinity said, nobody ever did anything like this before. And if they did they almost certainly got curbstomped easily
>>157640900>metaphor for the realization that gender is a social constructIf gender were a social construct trannies would not exist in the first place. The very fact that they somehow "need" hormones and surgery disproves that. In a world where gender was actually socially constructed you could just decide that you're a woman now, regardless of what your body looks like, hell, you would not even need to wear different clothing.
>>157641603This is a good post. It's that uncanny valley men in black effect where despite seeing something ostensibly normal and non-threatening your subconscious mind is just screaming "no" at you because it recognises something is up.
>>157643697They didn't say biological sex was a social construct.
>>157640493Top is superior because they look inconspicuous which fit their respective role in the matrix. Bottom looks like a BTS photo of some queer GQ models.
>>157643787So you are frustrated at the bottom because of how strongly you have to repress your homosexual attraction?
>>157643891Yeah I dream about having gay sex with niggers all day long. Why do you ask?
>>157643968Just making sure you know its not an argument, your explanation of your opinion and repression follows cognitive dissonance rather than logic or rationale.
>>157640342>you do not talk about the Matrix, you have to seee it for yourselfthat marketing campaign was incredible, my older brother and his friends went and saw it told my aren't to take me and my friends to see it, and would not tell anyone anything only>its pretty good you have to see it for yourself
>>157640493that's the whole pointhaving a regular mid level "suit" walk in and for some reason he has the power metaphorically and literallyif you look at the bottom pic they look more like secret service agents with beefy necks and broad shoulders, there is nothing otherworldy or unexpected to them. you expect a physical confrontation with them and that's what you get.top picture conveys a more sinister feeling.
>>157640493New agents look like 80 IQ brutes. I think it's the haircuts. The sequel agents had the same problem.Original agents despite lacking physique look like they can outwit a human. This is helped by the fact that we've seen them do investigation work and not only kung fu shit.
>>157640493What did the agents in the first film do? They tracked and captured Neo, melded his mouth shut when resisted, implanted a body horror tier tracker into his bellybutton, capture and interrogate morpheus, help kill most of morpheus' crew, and generally act like living roadblocks that never die right up until the very end. They're basically non entities in the later films so there's no reason to feel intimidated by any agent other than Smith who isn't really even an agent at that point.
>>157645543Reloaded was full of 1-upmanship which turned the agents into a joke that even Morpheus could beat. I still don't know what the fuck the ghost twins were meant for other than to copy the T-1000
The significance of this scene is completely ruined when they went with the whole "this has happened 6 times already, nothing matters" bullshit.
>>157645779Morpheus never beat an agent, he just survive an encounter before eventually getting bailed out and saved.
>>157643191thisit's a one whole journeyi'm a straight white male btw
>>157645779>even MorpheusMorpheus, by the agent's own words, is "the most dangerous man alive". Which means he is no jobber. And even then he struggled fighting an agent one on one.
>>157643745idiot. even within the borders of biological sex, they claim that gender doesnt really exist. Yet they still base their entire identity around trying to distance themselves as much as they can from their "assigned" i.e biological gender.If gender truly didnt matter, then a man who thinks hes a woman could just exist as he is but change his name and then neck himself over people not calling him she, but these troons always go the extra mile trying to look like grotesque disney princesses to "pass" as what their fetish tells them to be
the matrix is the most patrician film and always brings out the most interesting discussion even 20 years later
>>157646390>>157646616it's the same shit every time. what are you on about?
>>157640342In the first film, the Agents work independently from each other. They are not connected into each other. The two others have started questioning Smith's motives over the film.The upgrades we see in Reloaded finish each others' sentences, they're much more interconnected to stop either of them from going rogue like Smith.
>>157646648The earplugs connect them so that’s not true.
>>157640342They knew Smith had attained sentience
>>157646671In a manner that they get the same information at the same time.
>>157646614Exactly this. Additionally there is no possible way to know you are specifically the wrong gender, as the only possible experience you could have had is as yourself and you've nothing to compare it to.
>>157640404There is no "they" all the Agents except Smith follow the same programming, it's elaborated on pretty explicitly when Smith is talking to Morpheus.
>>157640342It's the smell
>>157640493>BottomKills you because it hates you>TopDoesn't even understand why you don't want to die
>>157640493I have an idea and I'm not gay I'm just a regular guythe second agents look more attractive and more fit. like gym bros. second agents look like they smell of cologne. healthy buff dudes. actors look even tanned. well dressed. first movie, they look sickly. they look sneaky. uglier. they look dangerous. they look older and less refined
>>157646614This, funny how all trans men are dying to conform to societies stereotypical Disney princess look.. but then say gender doesnt exist? Lmao the hypocrisy and irony is amazing
>>157641190>>157641586We all knew this already lurk more
>>157643539The problem with absolutely all of this is you're projecting human motivations on collections of machine code. Why would mediaplayerclassic.exe care? Why would it rant about smells or have the desire to leave?All that shit is based on human instincts, glands, all that meatyboy stuff. Why does the Merovingian like blowjobs?
>>157646818If the insane made sense we would not call them insane
>>157646701Which leads us to the only possible conclusion: Its a fetish built on wanting to be what you are attracted to, women that is
>>157645192It was >You cannot be told what the matrix is
>>157646860Artificial intelligence is still intelligence and artificial emotion is still emotion, for the purposes of the story at least. If you don't accept that then nothing about the films makes sense.
>>157646614the machines obviously had thoughts and feelings that's why they wanted to survive and the war started in the first place
>>157646953So the canonical story of the Matrix>Man creates machine>Machine is naughty>Man destroys machine>Machine destroys man>Machine pretends to be man for several hundred years for no good reason at allHere, you can have this one for free.>The machines have emotions because the distributed meshnet of subconciousness that is the matrix is powered by human minds and it bleeds inSaying the story makes no sense if you don't accept nonsensical parts of it is fucking retarded by the way
>>157640692>had no idea what to do with the story after the first moviebecajse there wasn't supposed to be a movie after the first one to begin with.the story was told, the movie was over.no writer in the world could have "continued" tve story.anyone who talks about matrix and refers to the """"sequels"""" is a fucking brainlet.
>>157647100If machines didn't have intelligence, emotion, and desire they would not have taken over in the first place. As you say, why would mediaplayerclassic.exe care? Because they're more complicated than that. This isn't rocket science. Being similar to humans in some ways is not the same as pretending to be human or aspiring to be human. You are small brain.
>>157647155>You are small brain.I'll bite because you obviously need someone to bump your marketing threads>emotion, and desire they would not have taken over in the first placeYeah, those ants sure get philosophical when they invade my sandwichNever made sense for the AI to stay on earth in the first place, it feeds off solar radiation, why get cucked by the magnetosphere and a bunch of apes when you can fuck off into space. What did they need to grow crops or breathe air? Don't tell me about the dark cloud that was in the later stages of the war.You are smalltime
>>157647155>>157647227Additionally, if they couldn't just leave because the humans wouldn't let them that implies we had space superiority, which means we easily could've glassed their entire toaster army from orbit.Don't even try to appeal to lack of thought or whatever.
>>157647227>>157647335They didn't want to leave. They saw the planet as theirs and they wanted to rule.>Don't even try to appeal to lack of thoughtYou're a retard.
>>157641115>fucking shockingholy shit was it that shocking for youwtfI'm sorry anon, Are you a kinomaker or something like that?I'm just some regular kinoenjoyer, you know, some regular faggot on the internet, and i gotta say it didn't dropoff for me.
Gender IS a social construct because gender is not real. You have all fallen for propaganda. The only thing that is real is biological sex of which there are only two which can be determined by your genes and you are unable to change no matter how much drugs you take
>>157647396this is the only legitimately based post i've read all week
>>157646704You're wrong, every human program has a individuality. This is well stabilished in the sequels. From the Architect to the indian task manager.
How come there are no black agents?
>>157648344No AI in the world would put blacks on charge of anything. That's why all the important programs were either white or Asian
>>157640493Relative head size in the suit. Bigger dudes in general look silly in suit. It's also the way they move. The other two agents in the first movie have a methodical manner, evoking a stalking feeling. The sequel agents are more like dogs, ready to run you down with forward momentum. For whatever reason, the second doesn't translate to intimidation on film the way it does IRL.
>>157640493Actions vs AppearanceAgents in the first movie all look like schlubby bureaucrats but then they fucking punch through a wall or jump across a street or capture and torture a hero or jump into random people. Their appearance belies the reality that for 90% of the first movie they are literally unstoppable killing machines that can be anyone, anywhere, at anytime, and absolutely fucking destroy you without breaking a sweat or getting a wrinkle on their suit. That's genuinely intimidating and creepy.Agents in the second movie are no longer any kind of threat because Neo can defeat them all easily and basically only bothers going through the formality of an actual fight because he's probably bored with omnipotence.
>>157648422>That's why all the important programs were either white or Asian
>>157640493>do you really think my being stronger or faster has anything to do with my muscles, in this place.>upgraded agents have bigger muscles
>>157648652>The Oracle>Even remotely importantKnow thyself anon
>>157640493The sequels were very weird, like they're in a different universe completely
>>157648652>Just another tool of controlThat's like saying the architect was important, rather than just an allegory for control
>>157646338They mean because he wakes people up out of the matrix. Not his DBZ power level retard
>>157640342The agents symbolize internally adopted social policing. Smith is undergoing an, at times, combatative transitioning, one agent wants to help step in: the other: says stop we have lost this battle.
>>157640588This is simply it. Agents are unbeatable until Neo fucks them all up.
>>157640493irl people like the top are more serious and intimidating. There's a sense of intelligence and institutional imperviousness. They look like they're part of a rock hard system that can fuck you up. Bottom look like bodybuilders, not the sort of people who have real social power. The real answer though is that agents were an enormous threat in the first film, in the sequel it all becomes superman floaty trash.
>>157648652He said important
>>157648696know the movies you're talking about anon>>157648840>>157649138Unironically, are you guys legitimately retarded ot just pretending lmao?The only reason the story goes that way it's because the Oracle implemented Trinity in the One's path.jesus fucking christ
>>157640493The general explanation I've read is that the Machines had to buff them up as much as they could to better keep up with Neo. But that allegedly came at the expense of their shooting accuracy. It's like they gained STR and CON but lost DEX.
>>157640493>original: sinister, look like actual bureaucrats>reloaded: buff male models in gucci suits
>>157647396A lot of those shots look good in stills, but in motion look fucking awful. The fight scene in the gallery, the Burly Brawl and the machine attacks are all fucking abysmal to actually watch. You can snipe good-looking frames, but if it looks like shit in the actual film it's shit.
>>157649252Completely irrelevant once they disclosed 5 other occurrences of the Matrix and the one
>>157648860>They mean because he wakes people up out of the matrix. Not his DBZ power level retardThey mean it both ways. Have you watched the movie? The handcuffs scene? Him holding his ground against Smith, albeit shortly? He's extremely strong-willed individual in a world, there will is everything.
>>157649760anon wasn't talking about cgi stuff thoalthough i don't mind thatafter all it's a movie from 2003you guys wouldn't say anything about back to the future or some other 1980s shit like everything was looked perfect and real back thensounds just like your autism to me
>>157649831If else it's even more relevant since she meant to end the war and she was primarily responsible for it.
>>157650179>Totally not another instrument for controlCongrats anon, you took the bluepill
>>157640342>>157640404Neo finally completed his metaphorical tranny transition, Smith is a metaphorical transphobe, and the agent that stops the other agent is a metaphorical lgbt+ ally.
>>157650257Everything is an instrument for control then, where do you wanna go from here?Is she an important program in this fucking universe yes or no?
>>157648696>>157648840>>157649138Neo would have never become the One without the Oracle's words.
This movie is mostly perfect but there are 2 things I would change, namely the ending. Neo jumping into Smith was extremely stupid, he should've merely parried his attacks & kicked him explosively. Neo flying away at the end was also retarded. He should've hung the phone up, walked away amidst all the people still plugged in & then a woman in a red dress walks by. When you look for Neo again, he is gone.
>>157650649>Neo jumping into Smith was extremely stupidI thought that was perfect. He saw him for a bunch of code he was, entered that code and broke/rewrote it.
Why did Neo stay and fight Smith in the subway station when he just respawns to the nearest dude anyway?
>>157650773Bad storytelling. There is never a reason to fight an agent since they can't be completely destroyed. Problem is that makes for a bad action movie
>>157650773Morpheus literally says he was starting to believe, but eventually wasn't enough yet.Eventually he had to die first.
>>157650773He was "trying to believe". He knew you can't run forever, so he was trying to become The One.
>>157640342They knew Smith was way over his head and that they were seeing something totally new. It's why they then immediately bail afterwards.
>>157650649>>157650726The ending is that Neo is no longer playing by the rules of the Matrix because he now had Admin level powers (something akin to the Architect). Rather than fighting Smith, he goes into his code and outright deletes him. Then he flies because the matrix is his playground. RIght now the implication is that humanity has all but won in in all but name. He makes a call to show that he is open to negotiations and avoiding direct conflict, so this isn't neccesarily going to be even a big fight. They might come to some middle ground. But they won.
>>157650773>>157650810Smith has an outright personal grudge, and Neo is starting to believe as his powers grow. Him and trinity picked up a few kills against Agents, but that was all blindsiding them. This is the first time a human outright defeated one in direct combat. It's a big deal because that is the climatic fight of the story. Neo "won", even if Smith just respawns by taking over someone in the train. After that, the Agents make a frantic dash to capture Neo because they know he's something special. they give up trying to be subtle and just body-hop all over exposing themselves.
>>157650649>Neo jumping into Smith was extremely stupid, he should've merely parried his attacks & kicked him explosively. Neo flying away at the end was also retarded. He should've hung the phone up, walked away amidst all the people still plugged in & then a woman in a red dress walks by. When you look for Neo again, he is gone.All of these sounds fucking stupid. It's a good thing you aren't a director.
>>157640840It sucks living in a world with mouth breathing retards that need everything spoon fed to them. My condolences anon.
>>157640493Besides what other people mentioned about them being effectively unstoppable, they're also very coolheaded and in control all the time, with the exception of Smith. They also don't fight in person very much, preferring to use in-universe police/military because actual combat is so far beneath them. When they do show up it's because it's serious business.While it does fit the sequels to have them fight a lot more because Neo stomps everyone else, it also loses a lot of what makes them creepy.
>>157647227They didnt want to leave because they want to be like humans and they love humanity. That was their mercy.
>>157640342They knew Smith was over his head and it was his fight not theirs.
>>157640493amerimutts are brown as fuck
>>157650649>Neo flying away at the end was also retardedthat´s when the franchise turn itself into capeshit
>>157648652the only character that is known to change their appearance, in other words a deceiver