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>Fact is you’re a shitty business woman who built a piece of shit house that’s gonna cave in and kill that fuckin’ unborn baby any day! And now you can’t sleep!
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>>156316824
Brutal, but he was right.
There literally has never been a better performance than his.
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Carmelabros, when will we ever recover?
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Aside from not killing Christopher sooner, what did Tony ever do wrong?
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>>156316895
Didn't fuck Adriana.
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>>156316895
Made Bobby kill the French Canadian dude. But that’s it.
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>>156316895
killing Blundetto
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>>156316931
This was almost too much for me. Fuck.
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>>156316895
He was fat and destroyed the DiMeo family in just a few short years being boss.
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I skipped over all this boring shit. This show went way overboard with all the repetitive and pointless Carmela scenes. I guess it was easier to have them fighting for the 100th time instead of advancing the mafia plot which is the only reason anyone watched the show.
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>>156317015
Look at his situation. Was there any way he could’ve possibly won?
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>>156316960
Blundetto could've ran a massage parlor and had a hot Korean gf. Screw that guy.
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I don’t like that kind of talk. So just stop it. It upsets me.
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>>156317038
Filtered
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>>156317242
Oh poor you.
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>>156317242
I miss that nigga like you wouldn't believe
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>>156317242
what the fuck were they thinking here? Just drop the fucking airplane tickets storyline, it wasn't even a fucking storyline really, they only brought it up in the last 10 minutes of the final episode of season 2. You easily could have written around that plotline without putting this god-awful CGI nightmare shit, that scene is fucking embarrassing and you can even tell that Gandolfini had a problem acting against an empty couch
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>>156317357
>you can even tell that Gandolfini had a problem acting against an empty couch
they put footage of Livia's face over another elderly woman
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>>156317357
The original plan was to have Livia testify against Tony for the airline tickets but she died before it could happen. A shame. That would’ve been great to watch.
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>>156317047
He could of won by not being an emotionally fragile, morbidly obese dumbass
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>>156316824
The Tony-Carmela fight scene in S5 is perhaps the finest scene in television history
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>>156317497
>S5
just looked it up and it's the finale of Season 4, Whitecaps actually
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>>156316895
almost everything. he was a terrible mafia boss
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>>156317480
Sounds well and good. But how was he supposed to handle guys like Richie who didn’t accept his leadership and went behind his back? Or Ralph being a fuckheaded loose cannon? Or his dumbass cousin creating irreparable tension between his gang and New York’s? Tony got dealt shitty hand after shitty hand.
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>>156317617
should've just let Junior be the actual boss
all of the shithead villains liked him more and the new yorkers probably liked him more too
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>>156316895
He baited his sister back into being a toxic bitch.
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>>156317617
>Or Ralph being a fuckheaded loose cannon
if he was a "better mob boss" he would have just let Ralphie kill the hooker without any problems, and he wouldn't have flipped his lid over an animal dying
>guys like Richie who didn’t accept his leadership and went behind his back
This one is tough, and frankly, I think the writers probably struggled with it, and that's why they had Janice kill him
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>>156317661
Junior was gonna get pinched anyway.
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>>156317617
A bullet and a short leash. Also, let him get killed.
This is very simple, anon. The problem is Tony is too much of a bitch.
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>>156317038
surely this has to be bait
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>>156317677
Ralphie disrespected the Bing. Even if Tony didn’t lose his cool over Tracee, Ralph still deserved to get smacked for that reason alone.
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>>156317794
he was off his gourd on coke, it would have been better to handle it diplomatically. In any case, Ralphie making johnny sack really mad and fracturing their relationship with new york was an even bigger misstep and issue, yet tony didn't get nearly as mad about it
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>>156317794
And he did. Then Tony killed Ralph after his son got brain damage and killed his horse for insurance money.
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>>156317715
Tony B was still his family at the end of the day. Phil’s gang would’ve no doubt have done some awful shit to him and made him die a slow, agonizing death. Tony got it over with quickly.
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20 FUCKIN YEARS
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>>156317869
That’s a good point. And it further proves my original point about Ralphie being a loose cannon. He was nothing but trouble and although >>156317870
this was the wrong thing to kill him over, he needed to go sooner or later. Being a top earner is worth nothing when everyone hates your guts and wants to see you gone.
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>>156317975
KWAB
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>>156316895

All Tony Soprano ever did was drag people into his orbit to form unbalanced power relationships with them. He just wore them down over time and made everybody involved with him having worse lives than before.

That, and he killed off like half his crew lol. Directly and indirectly.
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>>156318097
>drag people into his orbit to form unbalanced power relationships with them
Do you think he did that intentionally though? Perhaps he was abusing Melfi’s therapy but I don’t think he was intentionally trying to do so like she ultimately comes to believe of him. Not making excuses for him by the way.
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>>156316895
>literally everything he did to Ralphie
>not giving Blundetto to John right away
>making Chrissie a captain
>beating up the jew politician
>simping for Dr.Milfy
>putting his mother in a nursing home
>going to therapy (to talk about his mother)
>not completely ostracizing Janice
>trying to babysit Jackie Jr
>vouching for giving Jackie Jr a pass
>not fucking Carmela enough
>hating AJ for being coddled and spoiled but getting outraged when AJ tried to man-up and join the military
>making a scene about Hesh asking for his money back
>eating like a pig
>undermining Chrissie's sobriety
>wearing shorts at the barbecue
>being a bitch about being BTFO by Bobby
>laughing about AJ's uniform
>talking to the feds
>spoling his children
>laughing at Paulie's mean joke about Chrissie's daughter
>giving the casino to Blundetto
>intimidating the building inspector for Carmela (which will lead to the shit house caving in and killing the unborn baby)
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>>156318166
They discuss that kind of, that's in his nature to do things like that. When Artie nearly commits suicide and then later gets mad at Tony and says that he knew everything would go wrong and Tony would still reap the benefits because he's like a hawk, it's like that kind of thing. Sub-conscious. I don't think he consciously means to use the therapy most of the time as a tool to become a better criminal and manipulator, but it does end up being the case more often than not. And then there are other times where it's very blatantly conscious and he takes very literal interpretations of what he's learned in therapy to directly help with his criminal life (like letting Livia and Junior think they're in charge of things in season 1).
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it's amazing these guys got anything done
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who wins in a fight
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>>156318222
>>literally everything he did to Ralphie
I don’t know if it’s ironic or not but the simping this board does for Ralphie annoys me. He was a piece of shit and he sucked. Tony was too, but I cannot for the life of me understand why people defend Ralphie.
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>>156318320
It’s a good fight, but Paulie would come out on top.
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>>156318370
paulie literally got bull rushed by a skinny jew in season 1 and had silvio save his sorry ass
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>>156316895
>smart
>loyal
>dependable
>good earner
>not ambitious
>doesn't demand an unreasonable amount of respect
>barely busts balls unless provoked
>levelheaded except for when he's doing coke but even then he's nowhere near as psychotic as the other guys

Tony killed him because of a horse faced hoor.
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>>156318352
If the IRL Mafia rules are applied to Sopranos plot, Tony was literally in the wrong in all his confrontations with Ralphie.
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>>156318352
It's not about morality or who deserves what. It's how he handled everything regarding him.
>doesn't properly convey why killing the hooker is a big deal
>doesn't look into how to get Ralphie's rackets to make his loss not really matter
>kills him in a place he can't easily dispose of his body or the evidence
>in the end, killed him for personal reasons rather than professional
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>>156318352
>He was a piece of shit
It doesn't change the fact that everything Tony did to him was wrong.
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>>156318166

>Do you think he did that intentionally though?

No, I don't. He's been conditioned and traumatised from childhood to be a lying sociopath. He told Melfi once that "You're born into it. You are what you are." and how he never had a choice of being who he is. It's just in his nature to do what he does.

Season Six gets shit on by plebs for the coma dreams, but they're there to ask the question "Can Tony Soprano change?". Change from decades of conditioning and a life misspent is too painful to deal with it. Tony ultimately fails and is worse off at the end of the series than the start.
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>>156318166
Yes and no. It's what he wanted deep down but never voiced. He wanted to get involved with everything and everyone.
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>>156318407
You forgot:
>funny
>well dressed
>open-minded in bed
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>>156318407
>nowhere near as psychotic as the other guys
He beat a young mother to death
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>>156318493
Paulie flips out at every little thing, Tone is a perpetual victim, Silvio is a yes man, Christie is a fuckup, and Bobby is a manchild
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>>156318493
>young mother
A hooah
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>>156318407

this. also he wouldnt shut up about not being a capo. and him busting balls landed them all in more shit than anyone else.
>>156318493
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>>156318352
Tony is a predator and Ralph was prey. Simple as.
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>>156318097

I genuinely think the only person who benefited in the end from Tony, with no strings attached, was his lawyer lol.
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>>156318598
lawyers always win
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>>156318493
She was unironically a worthless degenerate hooer, and everything that happened to her was her own fault. She would be alive is she stayed in her lane. All the made guys being perplexed in the context of the show itself at Tony's reaction are correct. IRL a Made Man wearing stripes is untouchable and unaccountable. A life of some strung out stripper is less then nothing in comparison, and making a move against a made guy based on that goes against everything they stand for. They even forget about Tracy later and think it was over a horse, which is equally as perplexing to them and why they compare it to being whacked over wearing the wrong shoes.
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>>156318493

A. She was a hooah
B. That wasn't his child
C. It was the coke. Fucking miami, it's all over the place.
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>>156317054
That fucking animal was dead already. Killing him was just another example of Tony being a fucking pussy, ironically, and not wanting him to be tortured to death by the NY guys.
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Was Blundetto really scammed or did he just have no patience for a civvie life?
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>>156316931
You just had a stilted perception of Bobby because all we ever saw him do was babysit Junior. But he was a gangster just like the rest of them.
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>>156318932
he shot a black guy in the ass
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>>156318980
HEH HEH HEH
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>>156318493
You guys go into a vicious rant about some random girl dancing on tiktok or some shit like that but then come here and simp for fucking Tracee.
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>>156318926
He was deluding himself with the idea that he could go straight, and had no patience for being a civilian, but his arc was also rushed as fuck in the context of the show.
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>>156317357
>>156317242
I didn't even notice the cgi until my third rewatch
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>>156318247

Was Paulie unfairly fucked in this deal?
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...bricks?
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>>156318493
She put cigarettes out on her fucking child
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>>156319125
yup. 12K was insulting towards a veteran member
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>>156318598
he was worth every fucking cent
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>>156319178

Idk, all Paulie did was give the tip-off. Maybe 15-20k, but anything past that seems like a stretch.
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He was way outta line.
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>>156319061
You know who had an ark? Noah
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>>156319413
The great flood... whatever happened there.
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>>156319253
20k would've shut him up
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ALL THE STORIES
HAVE BEEN TOLD
OF KINGS AND DAYS OF OLD
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who will put the cream in meadow's mouth
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The Sopranos is... LE GABAGOOL!
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>>156317497
Yep.
James Gandolfini and Edie Falco both got Emmys for it, iirc. Man, I've seen domestic violence in my life, and holy fuck is that real.
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why was sammy hagar in the sopranos
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>>156318395
Feech is like 60-70 years old, the jew was like 30.
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>>156318932
Was he though?

All that we know of the guy was that he was treated like a joke DUE to the fact he was only trusted to babysit Junior. No one really took him seriously so he never had to really do Mob shit. Never did a hit. Never seemed to beat the shit out of people, never cheated, never did drugs, never did anything.
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>>156320609
He did enough to have a huge house and fund his train autism.
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>>156320931
He became the next heir in the NJ mob because Tony started losing trust in Christopher. Not to mention he married Tony's sister. He was always gonna have money.
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>>156317038
Carmella scenes are kino, Meadow scenes are boring
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Can somebody explain to me the point of Carmela's little trip to Europe? Felt like filler.
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Agreeing to donate $50k to the university.
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>>156320974
It's not like he spent his whole life looking after Junior though.
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>>156317038
Edie Falco was easily one of the best parts of the show you fucking plebian
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>>156321112
Her getting a taste of life outside of Tony's fucked up world.
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>>156321112
I think it meant to illustrate how the mafia families are rich but still lower class rabble with no culture.
But idk, i was just thinking about how Carm and Ro are so cute togheter.
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>>156321112

Supposed to mirror Tony's coma dream trip.

This can explain it better than I can:

https://sopranosautopsy.com/season-6-part-i/cold-stones-6-11/
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>>156317038
The mafia plot is actually garbage in the last three seasons. Carmela, Junior and AJ are all that matter.
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>>156316895
He should have let that dude retire to Florida. It's all he wanted.
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>>156321311

The mafia plot was never the focus of the series in the first place.
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>>156317242
>scene literally didn't need to be in the episode
wtf were they thinking.
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>>156320609
>No one really took him seriously so he never had to really do Mob shit. Never did a hit.
He was a made man, Tony and his crew's perception of him, which is the only perception you get, was irrelevant.
> Never seemed to beat the shit out of people, never cheated, never did drugs, never did anything.
That just signifies he was a "stand up guy" which they literally address in the context of the show.

Anon I think you might be too stupid for Sopranos, since even the simplest nuances, which aren't really nuances because they actually vocalized in the show, seem to be beyond your understanding.
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>>156319536
;_;
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>>156321249
that too
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>>156319017
read this in Paulies laugh

>>156319061
This. He was a criminal, but also Tony being around him didn't help. See how he was treating his gf at first, He really wanted to do right, but after he found that money he wanted to go around flashing shit like Tony
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carmella was an entitled cunt. Like the way she whined to her father constantly to bribe the building inspectors even though they clearly werent playing ball, or the way she tried to intimidate jeannies sister to writing meadow a letter of recommendation. To dragging AJ along to furio's house so she could spend some time hanging out with him and planting relationship seeds with the denyability of having AJ around. To the many times she stopped giving tony shit but was still seething at him just because he bought her something fancy.

she was a malignant cunt.
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>that retard priest in the early seasons
Worst character in the show.
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>>156321571
Anon, its an interesting take, that Bobby was given an unreliable narration and was just like the rest of Tony's crew.

However, if this were the case, one of the greatest episodes were then told for no reason. Tony is supposed to have corrupted yet another one of his family members and killed another innocent thing, Bobby. He made him do the hit, because TONY knew he was innocent and a stand up guy. He knew he was never a true wiseguy. Hence why he punishes him after the fight at monopoly.
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>>156321357
He'll always be the guy that killed Danny (Ricky Schroder) in NYPD Blue to me.
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>>156318352
>I cannot for the life of me understand why people defend Ralphie.
A. She was a whore
B. She hit me
C. I was doing a lot of coke at the time
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>>156316960
No he was in the right there, Tony B brought it on himself and Phil would’ve tortured him first
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>>156321763
One thing that i think i got wrong about her was why she broke up with Tony after the russian cousins thing. Was it because the red head one called the house directly and even spoke to AJ or was it because Tony cheated on her with the amputee?
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>>156321763

She had her flaws, but why are you choosing to ignore the positives?

She wasn't that bad of a person. She wanted the best for her family, even though it was through a comfortable lifestyle held up by murder and extortion.
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>>156321901

I think she always knew Tony was cheating on her and chose to ignore it like she ignores everything else Tony does to earn money. When the Russian called in and admitted it, she couldn't play make-believe anymore and had to accept it.
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>>156321961
>she always knew Tony was cheating on her
She did. She talks to the priest that tries to fuck her in the first season about it.
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>>156321961
The real big brain take is that she never cared and just used the phone call as a way to get a leg up on Tony and get what she wanted.

Simple as that.
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>>156316914
Ew.. Adriana is the typical Jersey's nigger tier
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>>156322020
Maybe so, considering she gives in and gets back with him later(after he scared away every divorce lawyer lol).
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>>156322020
>>156322002
All mafia wives know about goomars or whatever they call it.
They know their husbands will get seceral pieces on the side (because if they dont the other mob guys wont respect them) and yet carmella still gets butthurt over it all the time but then stops being butthurt because she got her new house or money for investing or whatever it was she wanted that time.
Peak hypocritical cunt.
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>>156318711
>She was unironically a worthless degenerate hooer
true
>She would be alive is she stayed in her lane
The mafia don't kill people (as much) anymore. Especially not (and I know you disagree) civilians. A death like hers is all the feds need to make that place hot. She was a retard but Ralphie is the one that should have kept cool. His disrespect went farther than a spur of the moment hit.
>Made Man wearing stripes is untouchable and unaccountable.
throughout the show we have seen that to not be the case. Atrie bucco slaped the shit outa Benny and nothing happened. Or the countless other times made guys were fucked over or killed. It does mean something but ralph threw it away at that moment with his retard decision. Just like the other guys wo get killed or beaten.
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>>156317677
Why do people even here even like Ralph? He deserved to die for Tracee and he was a cuck that liked getting pegged with a dildo.
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>tfw it's a thankless job
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>>156322179

Carmella isn't exactly the stereotypical mob wife. Out of all the mob wives in the show, she's probably the one with the most morals.

And her getting complacent by being bribed by Tony is basically the whole point of her character. Why do you think the jewish psychologist said to her to "take the kids and run" from the mafia lifestyle. She's basically living in a dream, like all the other characters.

Watch the opening for Season Six and see how it ends with Carmela opening her eyes in bed with "Number 7: The Remains" and then it cuts to Tony digging a hole (grave). That's her waking up from the "dream" of her lifestyle after Tony gets shot in the finale. She's alone after he's gone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_gHzyalSwI
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>>156321112
She could have visited Furio. Italy is very close
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>>156316824
THERAPY! I NEED THERAPY HELP

gay ass fucking show for simps
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>>156322211
Ralphie was based and gladiatorpilled and what a man does in the privacy of his own bedroom is no one's business
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>>156322020
the difference between assumptions and direct confrontation. She was also pissed that she talked to AJ, because it was tearing down that protective wall she had put around tonys actions from the kids.

If father fanook hadnt been shitfaced and puked everywhere they totally would have hooked up. He admitted attraction and she got super fucking pissed when he turned his attentions to Ro.
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>>156321763
Still, Carmella Soprano >>> Skyler White
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>>156322529
No if a fat ugly woman fucks you in the ass even if it's in the privacy of their bedroom it should be illegal.
I dont want that kind of thing happening.
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>>156318932
Bobby was a good guy but was born into that life. His father was a murdering psycho even on his dying bed (car), there weren't many options for him to have another better life
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>>156322334
is the narrator of that sequence the same guy from the hospital when tony got shot? The old guy with cancer that fixed the cable during the fight tony was watching with those rappers?
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>>156321786
Most things in Sopranos happen without a reason.
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>>156322708

Nah, it's from William S Burroughs who died in 97. They do kinda sound similar though.
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>>156322710
There is a difference for no IN WORLD reason (say, The Russian) and a reason to write an episode.

If your theory was correct, the writers wouldn't have written that episode because it goes directly against their own writing.
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feel sorry for baccala? just remember what a whiny piece of shit he was towards sil the acting boss
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>>156322710

10/10 brainlet take.

You really believe that a critically acclaimed show that's considered a masterpiece was just written in a room of people just writing stuff without meaning or purpose?
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>>156322835
Lmao, not him, but Sopranos had a lot of soft retcons and changed characterizations throughout the show. Chase didn't plan it out like Babylon 5, they were doing season outlines from scratch only after getting renewed. Surely, you would agree that Season 1 is practically a different show when compared to S2-S3, and then it changes up again in S4-S6. They even look different visually.
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>>156322818
errything is errything. im down with that.
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>>156322935

That's the whole point. The whole show starts from these mobsters living the good life until it starts to to take it's toll later on. The visual direction of the later seasons to be more "dark" is to reflect that.

Also, I don't really know what you're referring to when you say "changed characterisations". Naturally, the characters are going to show changes after everything they go through during the course of the series.
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>But how was he supposed to handle guys like Richie who didn’t accept his leadership and went behind his back?
Just whack him, no one would have cared about it, especially after Junior could confirm that Richie was plotting a takeover. From a business standpoint, Richie was a non-problem. All that Tony had to endure was his emotional response, and as usual he failed.
>Or Ralph being a fuckheaded loose cannon?
Tony correctly dealt with Ralph from the getgo. When he returned from Miami he was a loose cannon, but Tony managed to put him in his place by making him fear for his own life and career. By the time Ralph got killed he wasnt a loose cannon anymore: he was very disciplined, loyal, and he was still earning a lot. Tony did not kill him because he was a loose cannon: he killed him because he fucking hated him as a person. As usual emotions got over him, and as usual he ended discarding his entire business sense.
>Or his dumbass cousin creating irreparable tension between his gang and New York’s?
Again, a non-problem. People in NYC knew that Tony had no part in it, and didnt want to retaliate in any shape or form against him. He just had to give up his own cousin: from a business standpoint, this was an easy decision. Emotions got over him as usual, and he ended up making a big deal over it.

If Tony had played by the rules all these crises could have been easily avoided.
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>The bloody train is bloody late You bloody wait you bloody wait You're bloody lost and bloody found Stuck in fucking chicken town
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>>156318855
Probably bullshit?
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>>156323412
One of the greatest moments of the show.

Its so fucking foreboding and you can tell Phil is gonna be the final nail in Tony's coffin.
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>>156323227
What’s the pic from?
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>>156323589
I wish I knew, I really tried to find out
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>bunkertrannies keep making anti-Soprano threads because they unironically beleive that bait pic and are seething about Anna liking it
lmaoa
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>>156321112
Actual answer, trip for staff and cast
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>>156316895
Everything.
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>>156322897
This, fuck him
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>>156321896
Except that's exactly why he WAS in the wrong. Blundetto was a fucking animal, and he basically shit on Tony just as much as he did New York. Tony should have gotten over his retarded sentimentality (also just more proof that the "tony is a sociopath" theory was a copout by Melfi) and let the piece of shit have what was coming to him.
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Can someone explain the point of the opening of season 6?
Was Chase forced to make Sopranos more dramatic or something because he "overestimated the taste of the general public", and he put that in as a diss?
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>>156316824
Why didnt she just build the house outta real wood
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>>156324730
From what I heard in Talking Sopranos, Chase originally wanted to use that track as early as the first season, or maybe even the pilot. I think that given how the entire show and America radically changed following 9/11, it may be used as a real indication that this is the end, it's about death and that no amount of lying to yourself is going to change the fact that it awaits everyone of us.
Though, for people to think that in an episode called "Made in America" that a cut to black only means that Tony is dead is taking way too simple a view of things.
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>>156322582
well obviously, Carmela was an actual character. Skyler was an absurd joke that constantly made no sense.
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>>156321112
Couldn't have been more important to the ultimate theme of the series. Literally down to the final cut to black.
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>>156317869
Ralphie made the joke but without Paulie, Johnny Sack never would've heard about it
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>She's a knockout...
>A ten!
>And look at you... you're average, at best.
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>>156321961
She always knew about it, it was part of the lifestyle. The point of picrel in Tony's dream was Carmella not wanting the horse(whores) to enter their own personal lives
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>>156317479
I don’t think another season of mob boss mommy issues would have been as great as people think, not to mention that it would have looked really out of place in a show that aired post 9/11
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>>156317617
>fuckhead loose cannon
She was a whore, it wasn't a big deal.
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>>156325724
Damn I never thought of that.
That's amazing.
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>>156325581
He would have heard it eventually. Tony nearly got caught as well
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>>156324805
Not what I mean, I mean the very opening scene in the car with the 2 FBI agents.
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>>156318932
This. Bobby slowly became a vicious prick after getting one over on Tony in a fight and capping this guy. Popping his cherry was the final rite of passage. He was underboss within months of that happening and he was a callous bastard to anyone outside the crew.
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I'm halfway through season 2 after /tv/ finally convinced me to watch this show:
>everyone in the soprano crew is a legitimate psychopath
>christopher acts like a dumb violent entitled nigger most of the time
>paulie is autistic
>tony is a fat wretch of a human being who ruins the lives of everyone around him
>junior is a dumb boomer
>tony's mother is an evil cunt
>carmella is a rich housewife who thinks she's better than everyone else but hides it behind christian guilt
>the only jew on the show is a massive zionist stereotype who bank rolled negros to make ghetto rap
>melfi is a milfy

Overall loving the show, haven't enjoyed a show this much since breaking bad. That being said, i don't understand how people find tony to be a likeable protagonist. He's competent as a mob boss, i'll give him that, but he does the exact same evil shit is mother does, then cries woe is me afterwards, just like his mother. For example, that pedo soccer coach, he bribed him, stole his dog, threatened his family and extorted him all before finding out he was a pedo, which somehow justified all the shit he did to him before the fact.
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>>156319160
That is definitely why she deserved to get beaten to death.
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>>156324625
Blundetto did nothing wrong though
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>I know what you're thinking, Tony. Why, oh why didn't I take the blue pill?
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>>156326399
>For example, that pedo soccer coach, he bribed him, stole his dog, threatened his family and extorted him all before finding out he was a pedo, which somehow justified all the shit he did to him before the fact.
canonically, tony can see in to the future
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>>156326399
keep watching nigga, kino incoming.
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>>156326399

The characters are shitty human beings, but they do have charm to them. Tony has a natural charisma to him that makes him endearing to watch, but you're not exactly supposed to root for him.
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>>156316895
>kills perhaps the best earner the family ever had, to the point that he was considered non-expendable by carmine sr and had none of the "baggage" that came with vito, over a horse
>lets his emotions and sentimentality cloud him to the fact that one of his closest associates is wired for sound for over a year
>nearly gets the family into a small war over percentages on a HUD scam with carmine sr, doing thug shit like vandalizing his bar
>makes carmine jr a player by going down to FL, legitimizing him and bringing him into NJ/NY mafia politics and setting the stage for the NY civil war
>REWARDS tony b with a casino and promise of being made after the unsanctioned killing of a NY guy, which led to financial problems for the family and nearly brought the family to war by refusing to hand him over
>gambles away hundreds of thousands, alienating a half century position with hesh and destroying the personal friendship he had with him
>sells out caputo's chicken, a source of income for his underlings like patsy and a legit business for himself, from under the family in hopes of getting laid (and doesn't)
>fails to stop the sale of barone sanitation even after coming out of the coma, losing his main source of legitimate income and a main source of legitimate income for other members of the family
>beats and alienates a state assemblyman who had done the family countless favors because the guy dared to start dating one of his old goomahs
>coddled and pushed a heroin addict through the ranks rapidly above senior members like patsy, causing even silvio to question his judgment
>refused to compromise on a small asbestos issue, then nearly kills another made man and threatens to kill the underboss of a NY family in the same moment
>hears that NY has a target on his back and fails to warn anyone until well after the wheels are set in motion, resulting in the death of his underboss and probable death of his consigliere
Tony was a really shitty boss, Anon.
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>>156326335
As long as she brings home the creampie its all good
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>>156318493
she was a klutz
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>>156318407
I'm not afraid to say it. He was my favourite. Even after he killed that stripper whore
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>>156328076
That's a good breakdown
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>>156326399
>He's competent as a mob boss, i'll give him that
lol
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>>156328489
Especially after.
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>>156317617
Tony fucks any chance of reconciliation with Ralphie on purpose.>>156317661
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>>156324730
>>156326146
it's the 7th (6Bth) season of a very popular show. It's a self zing
>no one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the american public
>this show is still on the air because you're all tasteless
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>>156327667
>le don't le root for le him
shut the fuck up with this reddit retarded comment that reddit INSISTS on making on every show with an anti-hero protagonist.
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>>156326283
And wasn't that a result of the pressure he was getting from Janice? Another copy of Livia.
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>>156319536
Fuck she was so pretty
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>>156318352
Fagny did everything wrong
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>>156329771

Were you cheering and applauding when he plugged his own nephew's nose so he could suffocate on his own blood?
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>>156326399
>>christopher acts like a dumb violent entitled nigger most of the time
https://youtu.be/QT13kk8HDDo
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>>156328076
>then nearly kills another made man
This is one of the rare instances where Tony did nothing wrong. It's a rule in the mob that you don't fuck with another made man's family. Phil was just a retard who let Butch influence him. He was ready to talk to Tony and Little Carmine
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>>156326004
Bravo David
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>>156322197
>Atrie bucco slaped the shit outa Benny
Benny was an associate, not a made guy. At the end of the show there were very few made guys left in Jersey.
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>>156331465
This. Also wouldn't Artie be protected being a friend of Tony's? Him being "a friend of a friend"? Sort of how Hesh was protected
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>>156326399
You can read the show properly. Tony has a bit of a charm, but if one is capable of seeing beyond his "strong persona" one will see Tony as the psychopath with huge emotional problems that he truly is, Tony even hates other people's happiness. Remember his conversation about the happy wanderer with Milfi. He wanted to bash the head of a happy person because he is happy and Tony is not.
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>>156331677

Psychopath is stretching it. He's not a complete inhumane monster.
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>>156318711
The point being though, that she was a hooah that worked for Tony. Ralphie should have asked T's permission to off her. Killing her was disrespecting the boss/
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>>156331579
It's why Ralph wouldn't give him the loan since there's no way he'd be able to collect it when Artie inevitably fucked up
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>>156331729
But he is and he gets worse through the show. The actions of season 6 Tony would disturb season 1 Tony, and season 1 Tony was already a nutjob.
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Who made Gandolfini gain so much weight? Dude still had a Chad body in season 1
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have you guys seen sopranos-skyrim kino?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7Ds8umjwcQ
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>>156332140
>Dude still had a Chad body in season 1
Kek, good bait, almost had me.
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>>156332140
Hair loss.
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>>156331881
Season 6 Tony would consider Season 1 Tony a happy wanderer and want to turn him into hamburger.
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>>156316931
good. Fuck bobby
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>>156331881

A psychopath wouldn't show the emotions that he did when he saved AJ from drowning.

But, I know what you mean. Tony degenerated throughout the series. He became worse off than he was from Season 1.
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>>156332390

>Hating Bobby

What is this brainlet contrarian take?
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>>156318222
>wearing shorts at the barbecue
this was pretty bad
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Uh, Adriana bros, what is the meaning of this?
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>>156317357
911 may have had something to do with it. Because a fraudulent airline ticketing case from organized crime would have been a major deal for the FBI. They probably did not want to open that can of worms, and honestly that would have been super hard to write about in 2002
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>>156332197
If you're over 6 feet and look like that, you're a fucking chad. It's was more believable that he was getting that much pussy in season 1 than it was in season 6
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>>156333074
It's not hard to believe women are whores.
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I remember watching the finale with my dad and his friend. I didnt watch the show before then, I was only a teen. My dad's friend said "oh yeah life goes on" after it cut to black at the ending.

After watching the series multiple times since then, I can only say that man was a pleb.
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>>156333383

Also, I remember grabbing the remote and pressing the power button, thinking the power cut off lol.
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>>156333060
911 and Nancy’s death forever changed the sopranos. The show would have been very very different if they had to keep the cat and mouse game between tony and the fbi and the mob boss with mommy issues storyline. It freed up the writers to go in a different direction with the fbi focus on counter terror taking a ton of heat off organized crime “your people protected the docs in WWII” and the eventual trial of tony soprano.

I would speculate this sudden writing freedom probably made for a much better show. We will never know, but “I’ve seen Analize This”
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>>156333383
Childhood is thinking Tony got capped. Adulthood is realizing it doesn't matter: Tony is metaphorically a dead man walking anyway
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>>156333964
Anyone who thinks Tony dies in the final shot is a brainlet. He actually gets popped when he's walking in. It's why you don't see him sit down, shot just changes to him sitting
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>>156333964
>>156334111
The point has always been to make people speculate and wonder, which was a running theme in the show when someone 'went into witness protection'. Like how nobody but Tony and Janice know what actually happened with Richie, or Tony and Chris with Ralphie. For the final act, only Chase knows for sure, and he's not talking.
It was an underrated move that plebbits don't appreciate
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>>156321763
>intimidate
I feel like I'm going to out myself as a retard here but do upper class housewives using catering services really do shit like this?

I've never been near this type of social setting but the idea of telling another human to come with hand gestures I wouldn't even use on my dog is repugnant and turbo cringe
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>>156334539
That's the point. Carmilla is being a narcissistic cunt to someone who thought she was their friend. The woman she did this to got her back by letting her know she hooked up with Carm's husband.
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>>156334507
Tony does die. Now, does he die in the final scene? There’s evidence to suggest he does, and evidence to suggest he doesn’t. The walls are closing in on him anyway.
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>>156317015

glorified crew you ask me
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>>156316960
If Tony S didn’t kill Tony B, then Phil would’ve found him on his own and tortured him mercilessly.
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>>156321388
The feds wouldn't have let him go.
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>>156335294
He could have fled Vito style to Elvis country, otherwise tony was doing him a favor
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>>156334842
Also, like, he was nearly 50 so cmon, had to happen sometime.
Also James Gandalfeenee died so the show couldn't really have gone on after that.
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>>156336179
This. But he really had to die to so Phil could stop being a whiney bitch. Too bad it didn't help
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>>156328489
BASED
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>>156336772
Am I the only one who was dying of laughter when Paulie beat the shit out of the kid because his mom loved him?
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>>156318222
>wearing shorts at the barbecue
LMFAO
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So in Season 2, did Janise trash Livia's house to slow the sale down or was it really 'some kids'?
I don't mean Meadow's party I mean before that in the S2 premier.
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Why did Phil come out of the closet then have Vito killed?
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>>156339984
Gangsters and their symbolic shit
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>>156339984
Phil was in jail a long time and was hyper-sensitive to being reminded of gay shit.
Phil probably fucked a good deal of guys cause 'in jail you get a pass'
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>>156326543

>ask smith to wake up as a famous actor in the matrix
>wake up as a mid-level jersey mobster with a toupee

Smith's got a weird sense of humor I've give him that.
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>>156334657
>you cucked him.
Her and Angie Bompansero were underrated charecters. Carm was walking around like buddah wouldnt melt in her mouth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qoj3y3ZLSU
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>>156316895
let his fat whoooar sister live
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>>156339984
Subtlety
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>>156316824
That's the beautiful thing about being a despicable lying dark hearted bastard. You can never be bullshited because you always know the truth of other people.

Ask joe namath
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>>156340275
I like when Angie fully turns her life around and Carm gets insecure cause Angie has a nicer car that she bought herself.
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>>156340360
Pic related might be the one time Tony ever ate something healthy.
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>>156340372
I havent rewatched in a while and it was a d-story line, but did we ever find out what happened to big pussys kids?
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>>156318222
IT'S A RETIREMENT COMMUNITY!
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>>156340534
They're never on the show again after Pussy gets whacked, and I really couldn't tell you if they're even on screen past season 1. I do know Tony was giving Angie money for them, then loses his shit when he sees the Mercedes in the driveway, cause Carm was saying something about Pussy's kids needing money or something.
The show almost thematically forgot about shit as it wasn't directly affecting Tony anymore, maybe to help you see how little he gave a shit.
Only thing that bothered me was between S1 and S2 Livia's house goes from completely sold to 'for sale' and the whole Janice thing starts with it.
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>>156340693
Reminds me if when Vito's wife asks Tony for help with Vito Jr, and he goes and gambles that money away and sends him off to boot camp instead
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>>156340950
Tony had more reason to not give a shit, seeing as Phil killed Vito while Tony was content with leaving them alone.
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>>156340534
Angie was doing great with the body shop, she probably kept the tuition coming
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>>156340324
Kek
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Vince Vaughn should have played Murmur
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>>156321763
I like Carmella despite her flaws. I wish she found Furio, moved to an olive farm in California and lived happy long lives
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>>156328076
>muh best Earner
Stopped reading. Fuck Ralphfags. He should have been killed for not shutting his mouth. He wanted respect but never showed the same to anyone besides Artie in that one scene
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>>156326399
they did all that shit to the soccer coach because he was leaving the girls’ team to coach college. the pettiness isn’t debatable but they were doing that shit pre-discovery for a reason.
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>>156326335
but anon im literally wearing a wifebeater and a gold necklace right now
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>>156341004
wasnt his wife cousins with phil? at that point the puertorican whore just a poker chip in the pissing contest cold war between phil and tony.

As much as they turned vito jr from a normal kid who likes football and is good to his little sister. To a gothfag edgelord, it was pretty heartbreaking when the "councilors" made off with him in the night to whatever correction camp they shipped him off to in utah.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaX5-w2QRHw
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>>156341279

Furio would have gotten Carmela's spec house built in under a month and then mating-press creampied her on every surface of the house.

Speaking of which, everytime I watch Sopranos or go sifting through screenshots of it I always think to myself "damn I want that shirt".
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>>156341668
He had enough chances to smarten the fuck up. It was a nice precursor to Tony yanking AJ out of his bed later in the season.
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>>156325582
can you believe tony actually thought adrianna was a 10?
>whore
>tattooed
>drug addict
>barren womb
>extreme sexual history
>tried to cheat on christopher with tony
>spilled to the feds for years
Whore
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Tony could have saved himself a lot of trouble by making Blundetto look like a suicide
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>>156341510
Is there a dead dog under your ass?
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>>156341728
eh. maybe get him a dog.
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>>156342011
Johnny Sack and Phil would have known that was bullshit.
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>>156328076
>gambles away hundreds of thousands, alienating a half century position with hesh and destroying the personal friendship he had with him
Hesh is a piece of shit too. Tony should have killed him after finding out he was owed his father's share of that racetrack and Hesh never bothered to tell him about it
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>>156343341
>>156342011
Smartest thing Tony could have done was given TonyB some rifles and let him kill Phil and his goons.
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>>156318407
>>not ambitious
This makes him one of Tony's biggest threats.
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>>156343696
I read the director of that episode didnt even realize the final cut was that way. Was it just a mistake that ended up unintentionally feeling strange and lynchian?
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>>156319064
You must have autism faceblindness or some other mental defect. It was so obvious it was utterly jarring.
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>>156319160
Wait, what? The stripper?
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>>156326399
Get the fuck out of Sopranos threads and enjoy the rest of the show before it's all spoiled
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>>156326399
I had the exact same thoughts as you except i loved tony. everyone around tony is a fuck up, he is the one constantly having to tolerate their shit, juggle their drama, and basically put up everyone's shit so they all can get paid. tony did nothing wrong, and should be allowed to be 10x more evil and fucked up than he is on the show considering what he shoulders.
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This got 22 replies last time it was posted. What changed?
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>>156318891
>not letting a family member be tortured to death makes you a pussy
He even had the balls to kill him himself
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>>156345348
More sopranos fans happened to be on /tv/? Some coincidence like that. Who cares?
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>>156343696
So deep and layered. You as the viewer feel the absolute confusion of Carmella. She doesn't know why she said that, she is frightened how quickly she jumped to being back with Tony in her mind. He mind is frazzled, and so are we as the viewer as we ponder the slowdown and fade
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>>156326335
t. woman knower
thinking about a similar buddy of mine who gets stupid amounts of tail out of his league and it's hilarious how true it is
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>>156318556
>also he wouldnt shut up about not being a capo
But he deserved to be a Captain. He commanded respect (or at least full obedience) from his crew and earned a shit ton of money. He also wasn't egotistical enough to believe he could make a run to full Boss; he fully respected Tony's leadership.

Killing him was the biggest mistake Tony ever made. It immediate lost him loyalty from other Captains and weakened the overall fighting strength of the family. Ralph would've gone on a rampage against New York instead of hesitating action and getting killed in public like everyone else.
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>>156318222
>undermining Chrissie's sobriety
Tony can't stand people making emotional changes to be a better person because he's incapable of doing so.
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>>156321112
Demonstrates how all the wealth from Tony's organized crime hasn't brought her any sense of freedom or new experiences in the last 20 years.
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>>156345962
I posted it as a joke but it is true. This former female friend of mine is currently mourning the death of an ex who looked like a fucking meth head that cheated on her. And she acts like they were married
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>>156326399
>>156326796
>canonically, tony can see in to the future
He's actually sending information to his past self through peyote.
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>>156346366
She could have fixed him!
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>>156346161
This. One of my top moments of hating Tony is when he loses his shit when Chrissy refuses to drink with him and Tony B

>>156321112
Shows that she's a fucking downer like Tony. Ro was having a great time and Carm had to bring up Jackie Sr and Jr
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>>156346621
They way they handled Chris trying to get sober was pretty fucked honestly
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>>156343696
>the scene transition used here blew my mind. goat
Today I will remind them.
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>>156321112
David is a Euroboo
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>>156346737
10/10 that's exactly what I pictured
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>>156317561
ralphie didn't deserve it bros
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>>156346849
He deserved worse.
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>>156346958
Why? Because he killed some HOOAH?
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>>156316895
retard
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>>156346984
Because he had no respect for anyone else and his big mouth caused trouble and created drama.
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>>156347040
So Tony?
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>>156347052
Tony had no respect for anyone else, but he didn't have a big mouth.
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>>156324460
this. a farewell mini cast party written into HBOs budget. Happens a shitload with successful series.
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>>156343696
Chase is an amazing editor. 80 percent of the reason the Sopranos worked and the other 20 percent is James G.

He's a shit writer though.
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>>156347173
Chase did the editing?
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>>156347202
Chase did everything. He even cooked the food that Tony is eating in every scene.
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>>156346733
And then they all got what they wanted when he started drinking and still ripped into him at the Bing
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>>156316824
mutt architecture.
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>>156347304
kek
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>>156347202
He knows amazing editors.
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Bros I'm so obsessed with this show. I've even been dreaming about it lately
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>>156347680
I'm on a rewatch and have been pacing out the last four episodes for weeks. I don't want it to end
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>>156347416
compared to little carmine who turned down a drink when they were on that trip together in LA because he heard chris was in AA
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>>156347954
The sacred and the propane
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Adrianna was sexy as fuck and you retards are lying to yourself if you act like you wouldn’t get with her.
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>>156347918
I was like fuck it, and finished it last week

>>156347954
Little Carmine was a genuine good person.
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>>156348032
I would marry her. Loyal even after death
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>>156348032

That scene where she's playing tennis with Carmella and the instructor is practically molesting her while the FBI watch on and thirst is the best she's ever looked.
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>>156348189
>Loyal even after death
wot
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>>156317242
I JUST WISH I WOULD DIE ALREADY SO I COULD STOP BEING A BURDEN ON EVERYONE
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>>156348100
t. wet tshirt contest winner
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>>156348267
brainlet
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>>156317242
This scene is extra weird if you're doing a full rewatch and all her dialog is fresh in your head from season 1.
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>>156348556
Yesh.
Explain it for me please. You get to feel big and clever and I get to understand.
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>>156348621
look at the photo he posted again
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>>156348621
The cat is theorized to be Adrianna after death, some people say its Chris though. The supernatural is pretty confirmed to exist in the sopranos universe, with pussy in the mirror, tony's coma "dream" being confirmed to be more than a dream by Chase, Paulie and the virgin mary, etc.
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>>156348731
>The cat is theorized to be Adrianna after death
That's fucking stupid. Why would Adrianna's ghost want to hang out in the Bing?
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>>156348731
there is a blink and you miss it scene in the episode where janice and bobby sit down to eat karens last ziti and a wineglass very deliberately moves supernaturally.

Ghosts are cannon in the sopranos.



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