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>I'm a drug addict," he told Hitchens. "I'm a person that, if I have a drink, I can't stop. And so it would be following your ideology that I'm choosing to do that.”
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>>149248597
>I'm a person that, if I have a drink, I can't stop
Perry is literally me.
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>>149248627
Perry is all of us
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Addiction isn't real. Just stop drinking alcohol retard.
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Addiction is real in a mental sense and somewhat in a physical sense where your body becomes used to certain amounts of a chemical to function

But ultimately it’s still your choice. Otherwise people wouldn’t be able to ever stop drinking
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>>149248867

Exactly. It’s hard. But not impossible.

A lot of people fail at shit that is just hard but not impossible though.
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>>149248867
>But ultimately it’s still your choice.
Ever walk into the kitchen and open the fridge and have no idea why you did that? Addiction is like that but by the time you realIze you have been on autopilot you have already downed a fifth of vodka. Really addicts need is a shockcollar or something that reminds them they are human and to think.
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>>149248952
Isn’t that what rehab is for?
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Could this BE any more of a dead career ?
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>>149248867
A lot of things are ultimately choice but are still difficult to break. Most people are out of shape, let alone in peak physical condition. Are you a mental midget because you're not jacked? You're choosing not to be in good shape and health every time you choose not to go to the gym or prepare a healthy meal. Yet you do it anyway.
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>>149249022
Life is still out there whether you do a couple of months in a rehab or not.
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>>149249105
People don’t blame addiction for why they’re not jacked though

Addiction is a nice abstract to blame your own actions on
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>>149249022
I worked at one for years. You see the same people come back time and time again. Its really sad, they want to get better when they are there but you know the second they leave it wont be 24 hours before they are using again.
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>>149249199
You have no understanding of addiction and as a general rule it's good to avoid speaking authoritatively on things you have no understanding of.
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>>149249199
This comment makes no sense. You completely ignored the analogy and then posted some non sequitur.
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What is it like to be addicted to something? I used to binge drink quite a lot at my old job purely for the social aspect, but as soon as I left it I never had the urge to drink. Don't get me wrong I enjoy a beer to unwind, but I just can't understand the NEED for it.
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>>149249284
>>149249252
Cope
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>>149248803
4Head
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>>149249300
Same here


I drank like a fish almost every night in college. But I stopped as soon as there wasn’t parties or nights out. After college I almost never drank.I never felt like I needed to drink for the sake of it
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>>149249284
Not him but the analogy is shit. Not being able to control your actions around a drug or drink is not the same the NOT doing something like lifting.
I have friends that quit smoking and would find themselves leaving the cornerstore with a pack of cigs on their hand without even realizing it. Sometimes peoples brains shut off and the body takes over, this is very true for substances because the body will do what it has to to get what it "needs." Sort of like how you cant die from holding your breath because no matter how much you choose to hold your breath eventually your body will take over and breath. When chemicals are involved the body feels the need to reach chemical equilibrium.
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>>149249300
Its usually used as a coping mechanism for invasive thoughts and feelings. At least thats how it starts.
>i feel like shit, im a shitty person
>if i drink i wont feel this way
>wake up next day feeling like shit for drinking, you know what helps get those thoughts away? Drinking again!
It gets to the point to where its an automatic response to things that people develop. And humans are really good as doing what we are used to doing, even if its bad for us, we like to maintain a homeostasis, and for some homeostasis is being drunk or high and they feel weird without it.
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>mfw take a trip to the paki shop for cheap booze
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It’s only addiction if it is socially unacceptable.
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>>149249105
Also choosing to not be a fag by not going to the gym.
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>>149249252
Kek addicts are so easy to wind up.
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>>149248803
>>149249199
Based
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>>149249022
Sets of habits are incredibly difficult to break completely, because we always use them in daily life.
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>>149249426
>I have friends that quit smoking and would find themselves leaving the cornerstore with a pack of cigs on their hand without even realizing it. Sometimes peoples brains shut off and the body takes over
Stfu retard
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>>149249530
/earthrocker/ general?
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>>149249426
Not that guy, the analogy wasn't great but your post was still nonsensical
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>>149249530
There's something so kino about celebrity mugshots like this
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>>149249530
>>149249613
Thank god I live in a country with strong liquor laws that they can't sell alcohol in just any store. I struggle just not walking into every bottleshop i see as it is.
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Moral.
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>>149249530
I only just noticed, I wonder if he's giving the pap the middle finger.
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>>149248867
profound
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>>149249699
You say that but retards like >>149249642 will say thats "nonsensical"
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>Fantasy of addiction
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>>149248952
plenty of them are fully aware of what they are doing, you naive idiot
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>>149249300
>What is it like to be addicted to something?

you drink to not get withdrawals
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>>149248597
>it's an allergy of the body
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>>149248803
Prove it. Get off the net.
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>>149248597
unironically he is choosing.
Same way I've chosen to smoke a pack a day for the last 5 years, but chose not to have any this week for a break because I fucked up my income and don't have nearly as much as I usually do.
It's quite simple really, you just don't buy any ciggs .
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>>149250023
Holy shit you solved it. Every addict is cured now you are a genius
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>>149250062
While I appreciate your compliment I can't take any credit for curing all drug addiction, as it requires them to accept the fact that they choose to be addicts instead of pretending that they have no choice.
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just don't drink
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>>149249699
What do you think makes some societies have a healthier relationship with alcohol or addiction, aside from literally religiously banning it? In the Mediterranean countries we get acquainted with it pretty early and it is associated with good times. I could never get why Eurotourists like to constantly get trashed.
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>>149249300
>What is it like to be addicted to something
like this >>149249527
I drink because being sober is miserable. I just think about how much I hate my life, my family, my "friends", how little satisfaction I get out of my hobbies, how little I actually want to do anything, how stupid people who care about politics or religion or art are... but if I drink I can just relax and laugh, dumb youtube videos I'd lose patience with in seconds become pure entertainment
but then I keep going and going and going because after just the one drink the limiter's disabled, and I end up saying racist shit to people I shouldn't, getting sexually aggressive with people who aren't interested, and finally pass out somewhere and maybe even get the cops or an ambulance called on me.
it's a choice of one type of misery or another, but I'm really fucking trying. I'll go walk around the fucking park for three hours just so I'm not tempted to start drinking at home. a literal waste of time just to fight the temptation. it is what it is
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>>149248867
I look at it in terms of probability. If I drink there's about a 10% chance I'll end up shit faced black out drunk. If that happens there's a 80% chance I'll hurt myself, embarrass myself, break something, get into trouble, etc.
Most "normal" drinkers grow out of the black out drunk stage and are at a much lower probability of it happening.
People like me cannot lower that 10% probability and find the only solution is sobriety because that 10% chance ends up being too damaging to your life.
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>>149250111
I like how the guy spending 24/7 on a Taiwanese basket weaving forum for god knows how many years is larping as some paradigm of self control and tyranny of will lmfao.
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>>149250202
>I'll go walk around the fucking park for three hours just so I'm not tempted to start drinking at home. a literal waste of time just to fight the temptation. it is what it is
Hey walking in nature is good for you, i wouldnt call that a waste. I hope you can get control of things anon, im deep in despair as well but not giving up hope i can improve.
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>>149250202
damn... i know that feel bro
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>>149250284
No you dont understand. He chooses to waste his time in an offtopic thread on an indian television and film board.
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>>149250197
med countries are literal garbage dumps no better than mexico or brazil
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The man takes a drink
The drink takes a drink
The drink takes the man
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>>149249999
Hi nurse Ratchet. Nice quads. In hindsight, you were ok.
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>>149250413
right, they're bad
but they still don't have a destructive relationship with alchool
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>>149248867
This, at height of your addiction you are not in control but the more sober you get the more control you get and then your ability to make a real choice emerges. It’s just a never ending journey to STAY sober after that.
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>>149250413
Your reading comprehension is stellar. Americano?
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>if I have a drink, I can't stop

Why does it happen bros? I can go weeks without drinking but then if I touch a single drop I want to go on a bender.
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>>149250775
genetics.
my grandfather was a drunk, his son (my uncle) was a drunk, I'm a drunk. same reason so many mexicans and native americans are drunks, same reason asians aren't drunks but are very sensitive to alcohol. genes. just a bad roll of the dice and if you got it, you're screwed, you'll just never be able to enjoy alcohol like normal people do. c'est la vie.
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It's possible to develop bad habits obviously but all this talk about addicts and addictions is just getting bogged down in pointless semantics. I've met many 'addicts' in my life, having had problems with booze myself and they've always had similar traits. The kind of person that goes to AA or subscribes to that weird 'recovery' mindset is always the same kind of person. Kinda narcissistic, self-destructive, extreme risk taking, low empathy. This is just the personality of your average compulsive criminal, there's nothing special about it just because you like to get drunk rather than rob a house or get into fights (actually alcohol might just be letting you indulge in your anti-social tendencies).
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I have many many vices, i'm a lazy as shit loser, but I rarely drink especially since the pandemic. I would average maybe once per month in a normal year, but I haven't drank since last July atm.
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>>149250967
Yes. Low self control is a huge factor in addicts and same goes for criminals. Thing is for addicts their brain chemistry changes to where it stopped producing dopamine (pleasure AND motivation) unless they get the substance. In a sense the substance becomes their motivation because its the only thing providing dopamine.
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>>149250855
It’s funny. Do my European genes mean I don’t get addicted to booze easily? Because I’ve gone from periods of time where I’d be drinking constantly to not drinking at all without it being an issue or even a desire in between
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>>149248867
>But ultimately it’s still your choice
None of us have any choice, free will doesn't exist
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>>149249556
>going to the gym makes you a fag
a cope as old as time
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>>149251384
probably. I haven't looked much into it but obviously Russians and Eastern Europeans have much higher tolerance than most others. there are a couple Ukrainian guys who live in my building and they pound vodka every night til 3 in the morning then leave for work at 7am just fine. think Italians are pretty good too.
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just fap bro
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>>149251385
fourth-dimensionalist here, gotta agree with this
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>>149251440
Thats bullshit. Eastern European’s and Russians have a HUGE amount of deaths from alcoholism. Look up the death rates. It’s a specific reason why men die so much younger than women there.

Western European’s seem to be the best suited to booze. A combination of genes and culture I imagine. They drink a lot but not usually straight up vodka like eastern euros
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>>149251531
okay, I believe you
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>>149251531
>this is what western pansies actually believe
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>>149251560
>The high number of early deaths in Russia is mainly due to people drinking too much alcohol, particularly vodka, research suggests.

>The study, in The Lancet, says 25% of Russian men die before they are 55, and most of the deaths are down to alcohol. The comparable UK figure is 7%.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-25961063

Lol dumb eastern euros can’t handle their drink
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>>149251531
>Eastern European’s and Russians have a HUGE amount of deaths from alcoholism
They have a higher tolerance but they still drink even beyond that high tolerance
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>>149251709
It's because you drink less and if you do, it's drinks for women.
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>>149251709
Friendly reminder that this began after the fall of the soviet union. I'm pretty sure life expectency for men is still below 1990 levels, or if it isn't has only very recently caught up.
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>>149250413
I live in Spain and I've lived in England, France and the US. Spain has so much better quality of life than the others that it's not even in the same league. No competition, if you choose to live in London you're either retarded or saving up money to move somewhere else
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When I think about starting to drink again I just remind myself of the last part of The Lighthouse
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>>149251734
>drinks for women
Drinks for men are killing you man
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>>149251755
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>>149248803
/thread
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>>149251787
>living in London
>saving up money
Lmao good luck
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>>149251886
Possible if you live in some tiny run down flat way on the outskirts of london but I guess that wouldn't really be ''london''
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>>149251787
This.
Comparing medchad countries to anything else- in matters of a safe, comfy and fun life- is simply ludicrous.
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>>149251560
>>149251542

>Americans with (((russian heritage))) trying to tell us about real russians and eastern euros

fuck off, mutt
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>>149252036
what the fuck are you talking about, you illiterate goon
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>>149248597
When you're fat and an "alcholic", you aren't cool. It's embarrassing and you're a mess. If you're an alcholic but maintain a healthy lifestyle, still look clean etc then you're based.
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>>149250775
Because you're not a pussy.

Anyone who goes out for 1 or 2 drinks is a fucking freak. What the fucks the point in going out not to get steaming? Or having 2 cans of lager at home.. Just go big or don't fucking do it at all.
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>>149252078
>If you're an alcholic but maintain a healthy lifestyle
Literally impossible or maybe only possible for a short window of time. If you are an actual alcholic you ain't healthy
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>>149248597
Stop being an addict.
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>>149251956
Easy when you spend Northern taxpayer and future generation money and don't need to answer to anybody as you are effectively not a democracy anymore (in the case of Italy). It also helps that you have the full backing of the ECB which is run by a corrupt convicted politician that incidentally is a med. Don't get me wrong you played your cards right over the back of others very smartly. But the game is coming to an end and when the money stops flowing you will need to answer to your problems. You can't sweep them under the rug forever.
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>>149248867
Some people have an addictive personality that makes it more difficult to break bad habits. Not impossible, but more difficult.
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i haven't had a drink since november
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>>149249527
This is a pretty good summary. It's just a feedback loop that arises because addictive substances usually make you feel good and if your life is a mess they make it easier to cope.
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>someone said he's addicted to something near me
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>>149248597
It’s certainly a disease and the quicker society gets on board less of our brothers and sisters will die from the opioid crisis and drunk driving
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>>149252201
A corrupt set of governments does not a corrupt people make. As for the world falling in on our heads at some point, I think you're right. I simply trust in the cohesion of my people to be maintained through this. Could you say the same?
We have not forgotten poverty.
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>>149250375
yes
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>>149249105
The poster you're saying this to is the type of scrawny no friends incel who still somehow believes himself to be superior to everyone else regardless.
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>>149248597
The solution is “simple” but only people who have ever struggled with it will know it’s hard to just out right quit. My problem is that ill go 2-3 weeks sober and feel fantastic and then think I’ll have a few drinks on Saturday to celebrate because I have my addiction under control now and then bam, suddenly I need to drink 12-14-16 beers and have smokes with it and then I wake up the next morning wanting to do it all over again. You gotta fight that urge and remind yourself what happens when the liquor touches your mouth
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>>149248597
>And so it would be following your ideology that I'm choosing to do that
He legitimately is. Imagine looking for excuses to absolve yourself of any responsibility.
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>>149248803
Nigga just blink your eyes and cure your brain lmao
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>>149252694
Half of your countries wants to become independent. What are you on about? You have very weak political systems which is one of the reasons you can't modernize like the rest of us. You got tricked into believing that socialist bullshit of the government. But let me tell you that if the money well starts running dry, your people will be the same as any other. Minus a competent political system that is.

Don't believe the lies of Sanchez. Do you really think working only 4 days a week for the same pay while having a huge debt and deficit plus a productivity problem is going to get you out?
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I'm kinda shocked to see his recent pics. He looks completely unrecognizable.
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Typical bourgeois bohemian nonsense peddled by the big dope lobby to destroy socially conservative christian values I bet the eternal BLAIR creature did this.
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>>149249648

>seconds from disaster.jpeg
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Is he going to do the friends reunion?
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>>149248597
Does that mean he fucks his Klonoa plushie 24/7?
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Actors are basically prostitutes and were despised throughout all of human history until the mid-20th century. Wisdom of the ancient.
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>>149249915
you are the one being naive. a desperate alcoholic who only wants to quit yet keeps drinking is only following pathways etched deep in their minds.
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>>149248597
>the bar manifested itself around me
>the first drink put itself in my hands
>the alcohol manipulated my arm to deliver itself to my mouth and thence stomach
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>>149248952
What? Opening the fridge is a conscious act retard, stop trying to weasel your way out of personal responsibility.

Addicts are basically niggers, they never think it's their fault.
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Can I get disability from the government for being an alcoholic? I'd love to quite my job and do nothing.
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>>149248867
Giving up alcohol permanently is extremely difficult because you're surrounded by it constantly.
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>>149251385
made up by atheists like 75 percent of "science"
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>>149248597
Why should we listen to a drug addict? Seems like the last reliable person to get advice from
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>>149254954
step 1: move out of the liquor store
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>>149248952
>Ever walk into the kitchen and open the fridge and have no idea why you did that?
Is this a fat people thing? Because I sure as shit don't do that.
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>>149251956
i read the youth unemployment rate in spain is 40%
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>>149248952
>Ever walk into the kitchen and open the fridge and have no idea why you did that?

Are you American? We at least know you're fat and a drunk.
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>>149254734
>Opening the fridge is a conscious act retard

i bet you think you chose to scratch your nose too.
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>>149248803
>just stop drinking addiction isn't real
>dies of alcohol withdrawal
thanks a lot jerkoff
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>>149249426
Massive cope in this post.
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>>149249648
There is no way he doesn't have someone whose job it is to get shit like coffee or even have the best coffee maker in the world and a personal doughnut chef
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>>149250855
It's not genetics, it's maybe epigenetic because of the shame you feel from your family but there's no alcohol gene
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>>149249105
what a retarded comparison
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>>149250375
>>149250284
Stoo drinking.
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>>149255022
reminds me of a line i heard in an aa meeting.
"if you hang out at a barber shop everyday at some point you're going to get a haircut".
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>>149248597
i've learned as someone who is addicted to alcohol and weed, that when i feel like i cant stop it's because i want something harder. I think they might actually be gateway drugs. There gets a point where i just cant get anymore drunk and stoned.
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I have been tipsy but never truly drunk in my life. I'm 33. No drugs either....but my life is still shitty, it's almost to the point where I'd be better off as a recovering alcoholic or drug addict because then I'd have an excuse.
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>>149248952
You do shit like drink or play vidya because you’re unhappy and trying to crush that feeling.
You can be unhappy for whatever reason but the point is you can’t handle it.
So yeah, it’s a choice. The choice is to unfuck yourself so you might one day quit. Or keep relying on bullshit excuses
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>>149256423
i just dont understand how you havent gone crazy from boredom. Is it a low IQ thing? like not having much brain activity.
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>>149256319
A part of the addict wants the drug, the release so badly. Otherwise they wouldn’t take the drugs.
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>>149249426
>I have friends that quit smoking and would find themselves leaving the cornerstore with a pack of cigs on their hand without even realizing it.
They sound like complete NPCs lmao
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>>149255203
>IF I DON'T DRINK I WILL DIE
cope
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When Matt Pery auditioned for the role of Chandler in "Friends" he only had $11 dollars to his name. When the cast got their paychecks, the first thing that Courteney Cox bought was a car. Matt Perry bought four loko.
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>>149255864
He's an actor not the king of Saudi Arabia
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>>149248803
based
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>>149258152
the good stuff
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>>149255203
alcohol withdrawal seizures arent THAT bad
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>>149256860
It's a real possibility when you're far enough in the hole. DT's are no joke. This isn't like smoking, where the worst that happens is you feel ratty for a month. Alcohol addiction is real fucking serious.
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>>149257984
>or else it cures itself
sauce
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>>149249022
We almost need permanent rehabs but that's basically a gulag. Whatever it is, it needs tp last for several years because that is the only way to reprogram people's behaviors. There's more than enough money going around from sin taxes alone to fund such an endeavor.
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>>149249426
That can actually happen with booze but with smokes, he's bullshitting you. Nicotine addiction makes you feel uncomfortable if you go too long without a cigarette, but it doesn't cause mental blackouts like alcohol or opioid abuse can.

The problem with this whole thread is everyone's treating addiction as some flat concept when it differs from drug to drug. For something like weed or tobacco, the solution really is to gather your willpower and suck it up, but for serious alcoholism, medical intervention might be necessary.

T. Chainsmoker
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>>149256500
My grandma quit smoking but still would ask for a pack when checking out of a store I went with her to nearly every time. At first I wouldn't correct her but she would always realize it while we were walking home and swear at herself, and she never smoked them after she had quit.
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>>149248597
did the whiskey form itself in his stomach? is it like that curse in Harry Potter where he has to drink all the alcohol in the bar to find his car keys or something?
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>>149260228
take your meds
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>>149260369
>not weak willed
>chooses to come here instead of working towards goals or having a social life
k chud
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It's 340am on a Friday morning. I'm semi homeless, living in a van, alcoholic, and drunk. I woke up out of my stupor at 1am in an anxious haze and immediately cracked a hobo beer (Häagen strong), and now on my 4th.

What a life. All I care about or want is more alcohol, and enough food to stop hunger pains.
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>>149260503
i actually never said i was an alcoholic i just thought you were making shit up. Alcoholism isn't even a disease you fucking retard lol.
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>>149260649
do you know what happens when you assume?
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>>149260233
His gut bacteria can't make whiskey, only wine and beer. Also, cut it out with the Potter posting
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>>149248597
>it's a "sheltered straight edge incels who have never touched a drop of alcohol or done the slightest hint of drugs condescend and preach about how easy it is to overcome addiction" episode
tired of re-runs
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>>149255022
step 2: go to saudi arabia
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>>149260925
>it's a 'pathetic weak addictionlet cant kick their addiction like literally millions of others have done so proceeds to lash out at imaginary strawmen' episode

tired of these people not being gassed
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k
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>>149248597
>>149260925
No, you're just a weak human. Simple as. Reality is you choose to be addicted cause you hate your life. I go to the store, buy a bottle of wine or rum on occassion like birthday and it sits in the fridge for months. You have a problem, it's not the incels it's you. Get help. Everyone here.
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What everyone's ignoring ITT is that addiction involves using psychoactive substances. Let's say a teenager is prescribed Adderall for an alleged ADHD disorder, insomnia and amphetamine-induced mania hits him, and he begins using more than his daily dose during that state. How culpable is that teenager, exactly, in making the choice of using more, when his mind is quite literally warped due to the beginning of his dosage? I don't think anyone could deny that most drug addicts are mentally ill, or have a predisposition to it; is it really so hard to believe that a user may not be "all there" in the head?
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>>149252230
good for you anon
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>>149248803
Based
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I can't take anyone seriously who says he "can't stop" doing something. Unless you're literally forced by external powers, it's all on you.
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>>149248803
You are missing the point.
Even when he isn't doing drugs he is a drug addict.
He will always be an addict.
So he can be a using addict or not.
He chooses not to use.
But he will always have that addiction or want to use.
Some people are just that way.
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>>149249595
it most certainly is not
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>>149251709
>>149251531
You didn't even read the article you posted, did you?
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>>149249300
Not even a fake smile can save him from his misersy
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>>149262676
stop breathing for 5 minutes let me know how you do
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>>149248803
agreed
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>>149260488
based vagrant poster
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>>149249300
Oh man you're nothing like me



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