In your opinion who gave the best performance in this film?
>>149230443Kilmer. It was the way he looks up at his girl, the pain in his eyes as she waves him off to prevent him from being arrested.
>>149230528>>149230546Kilmer was easily best part.
>>149230443DeNironot a popular opinion, but his understated, disciplined role was the more challenging
What are some recent heist kino besides Den of Thieves?
>>149230546Ashley Judd was fantastic as well
He was making a move, I had to get it on.
Val Kilmer, possibly because it stands so far above his other body of work
>has about 6 minutes of screentime>is one of the most memorable villians in cinema history
>>149230443Both Pacino and DeNiro did their classic roles. Pacino the exaggerated crazy guy.DeNiro de cold mafia gangster. I like DeNiro's character more because it is more complex, Pacino's character is just the arrogant cop that is burnt by the job and all of that, I mean that he is the classic crazy Pacino character, always screaming and all of that, that is why my favorite Pacino's movies is The Godfather because he plays a more relaxed and cold character. But both did a good job.
>>149230443All of them
>>149230443I've heard Pacino played the role as someone who had a cocaine addiction.
Bros I just watched Thief for the first time last night and it was incredible. Heat is next on my list but how is Manhunter compared to Thief? For whatever reason it's much more expensive on blu ray than any other Mann film.
>>149230664Fast FiveThe Town
How about Ralph?
Tom Sizemore was a drug addled mess for most of the 90's, but he fit and did that role perfectly. I get the feeling Kilmer was in the same ball park. Those two characters/actors seem to come closest to the hollywood shootout guys in terms of age
Pacino desu. Him saving that dumb bitch that tries to off herself is the best scene. It would've been cliche in any other actor's hands but he makes it very believable.
>>149231203Pacino isn't burnt out by the job, he specifically only thrives when he's on the beat. That's why he's on his third failing marriage and has no connection to his step-daughter. He's solely dedicated to his work
>>149231222And you got your head... ALL THE WAY UP IT!
>>149231592Well he is consumed by the cop life then. Classic above the law, crazy cop.
>>149231320Been a while since I've seen Manhunter but it was a really slow burn up until the end. Oozing in atmosphere though. If you want something similar try To Live and Die in LA if you haven't seen that yet.
>>149231320Manhunter is Mann at his most stylish. Incredible cinematography, colors, and music. Great performances all around too
>>149230443Pacino gave the best performance, but waingro stole show for as little screentime that he had.
>>149231649>For whatever reason it's much more expensive on blu ray than any other Mann film.Do you buy all the movies you watch on Blue-ray?
>>149231320Also watch this https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074749/ its got similar vibes to some Thief and Heat
>>149231649I found To Live and DIe in LA kind of boring, I don't know why. I like Friedkin, Petersen, and Dafoe but the movie felt like it wasn't clicking
>>149231898What a fucking Chad.Respects anon, my respects.
>>149231174proof the Chad Embrace works
>>149230973the scenes with Richard and Albert are hilarious
>>149230490*makes a constipated face*
>>149230443I'm going to say De Niro actually. This was pretty much right before he gave up and started cashing in on his name. This and pic related were some of his last good movies.
>>149231174>>149231419SHUT up, Ralph!
>>149230443The guy that played President Palmer on 24.
>>149234857aka mr. based black man
>>149230443Kilmer>>149230589you think so anon? I think he played essential deniro in that role and it was of no real substance compared to some of the other cast members
>>149231315Yeah they cut that part but his performance stayed obviously.
>>149231709the first time he enters the crime scene the whole sequenceit's eerie as fuck
>>149234599Based Ronin is absolute kino.
>>149230443Kilmer, Pacino type cast as insufferable zealot doesn’t count
>>149230664Son of a gun
>>149234857hit me the hardest when he got poppedI think of all the relationships in the film (including deniro pacino lovestory) the one with him and his lady friend who just wants him to lead an honest life is the best in terms of characters
>>149235374>because I'm proud of youHits me in the feels every time.
>>149230664the town is okay just for renners performanceden of thieves was utter garbage though
>>149231481>Him saving that dumb bitch that tries to off herself is the best scene.Abandoning her for the thrill of the hunt upends it — and that deathwish isn’t fulfilled on the airport runway: he had to die, and didn’t. Incredibly shit ending
why did van zant go home?
Rip the tv
>>149235407exactly thatshe knows what it's about women fucking know they see it differentlyit's so sincere the way she delivers it and you can tell the actress is smart enough to understand the implications of that linethe reaction of her man, a big strong guy suddenly being send back to school mentally and behaving like a 6yo kid caught with his hands in the cookie jar is just too real
>>149235444He thought he was safe because of the botched heist. 3 of the people who had a vendetta against him were dead and the other two had no choice but to leave town
>>149235444he tipped off the police about the gang's next heist and they got bushwhacked. he assumed denero's character was either skipping town or dying in a ditch somewhere. he was almost right
>>149235444I love how the up-his-own-ass businessman tries to play the game and thinks he won only to get killed like a dog in the streets. In a movie with insane cops and cold blooded criminals, the suit and tie businessman was the slimiest piece of shit
>>149231174why is he so smug, bros?
>>149235444>filenamethanks anon now everytime I rewatch that film I have to think of some retarded /tv/ meme
>>149235805buttfucked a 16yo kween while rocking the chad embracehe had to get it on man
>>149235805He's the Grim Reaper
>>149235408always loved kilmers look right after
>>149230443Val Kilmer and Al Pacino
>>149235421It's a shit ending because he's a conflicted man? Or because you realized life doesn't always go the way we want it to? Either in being shot, or not being shot.What a pleasant you are.
>>149235789You mean tom sizemore? Because the same is also true for real life. Except for the businessman part
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG_G6rZHp1AI wish Tom Noonan did some audiobooks, love his voice
>>149237212No, Van Zandt
>>149237257damn Will put Dollaryhyde in a wheelchair, rough
>>149230477You mean Yosemite Sam? Fuckin autist. Best performance was the guy who looks over in the diner.
>>149235352Right on brother
When I think of asses... A woman's ass... Something comes out of me
>>149235444>watching hockey on a small tvwhat did this symbolize?
We just got made
>>149237310You might want to reexamine one of those.
>>149238694You wanna know what they're lookin' at? Us. The L.A.P.D. Po-lice department.
Why did he tell her he was a medal salesman? It sounds very made up.
>>149239735god damn Eady was gorgeous
>>149239735She saw him reading about metals and needed a cover.
>>149240039I know. I guess he couldn't have thought of anything better to say. I just never heard of a medal salesman.
Why did she overcook the chicken then proceed later to have sex with a man named Ralph?
>>149230664Dragged Across Concrete
>>149231320I hated Thief. Really boring and gay. Manhunter is much better but Heat nails that kind of melancholic, modern epic vibe that Mann goes for perfectly. Manhunter visually is more interesting though
You now realize the black cop in Heat was the guy who played Bubba in Forrest Gump
>>149240438Thief was kinohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJIn7batAtc
>>149240644the fuck, i never would've guessed that. I was rewatching the movie today and finally figured out the black getaway driver is the african dude from Major League
>>149234599>>149235339WHAT WAS THE COLOR OF THE BOATHOUSE AT HEREFORD
>>149235805He had to get it on
>>149241095yea stop talking slick
GIMME ALL YA GOT! GIMME ALL YA GOT!
Kelso was based
>>149231222I love this line. I’ll do anything for a great ass.
>>149231222was facesitting implied here?
>>149240811He was also in Lucky Number Slevinhttps://youtu.be/7KD_3F3gu8QI don't know how he hasn't been in a shit ton of movies, the man doesn't shoot much, but he never misses. He's like Carl Weathers.
>>149241598He's been banking on allstate commercials for like 20 years so I'm sure he's fine with that
>>149241747That's the guy who played pedro cerano.https://youtu.be/cfoXMr_s4xI
>>149231367>Fast FiveUnequivocally, DANGEROUSLY BasedI know Fast and Furious is memed as a braindead franchise for dumbass bros (and to be fair it absolutely is one) but Fast Five transcends its own series and stands above as a genuinely spectacular heist flick.FAMILIACHADS WWA?
>>149239735>>149240201metal not medal
>>149241860I haven't heard of metal salesman either. He should have said he was an importer or something.
>>149241952never heard of a metal salesman? you gotta be fucking with mein case you aren't, yeah that's a normal thing
>>149230664It's not recent, but The Way of the Gun.
>>149242104How many metal salesman do you know?
>>149242415metal production companies have sales reps bud
>>149230443DeNirobefore he went full stereotype, he was actually a subtle actor in this movie. Pacino was already starting his cringe phaseVal was good, and so was Tom Sizemore
>>149242456what about medal production companies?
>>149242415one but i live in a small town
>>149230477>DONT WASTE MY MOTHER FUCKING TIME!!That’s good acting to you?
>>149230589I agree. This was also basically his last hurrah before just taking any paycheck and caring more about his restaurants than his scripts.
>>149231174Also the scene right after he mercs the teenaged prostitute at the bar has the second-best jump-cut ever.
>>149243112what's the best ever
>>149230477Reminder they cut his cocaine habit outta the final cut. His character makes a lot more sense when you keep that in mind.
>>149243047how's it bad?
Danny Trejo of course ( :
>that scene where Pacino comforts the hooker's mother and the camera spins around themUnderrated moment. Very emotional.
>>149240811He was also the President in 24. And he's the Allstate insurance guy.
>>149242534>Pacino cringeA big part of that was the script. Originally his character was a huge cokehead but Bad Lieutenant came out right as they were about to start production and Mann hastily removed all of the coke scenes because he thought it would be derivative. He was still written like a cokehead though.
>>149243595>pacinos coke habitNo shit really? It all makes perfect sense now!
>>1492432422001 A Space Oddysey
>>149230443>and the director too
>>149240275Yeah this ended up being better than I thought. Mel and Vince were a great combo
>>149231174He really isn't
>>149234599Ronin is pure kinoGood choice anon
>>149240811>>149241598>>149243708You faggots mean Keith David? Get the name right
>>149231174Best portrayal of a 70s-80s serial killer in any movie. Sure you had your thrill killers like Ramirez and fucked up homos like Dahmer, but majority of victims in that time period were kills by hick truckers like him.
>>149231203>>149231592I think you are both right. He likes to catch guys like DeNiro, but also complains to his wife about fucked up "poverty crime" he's seen.
>>149230443Xander Berkeley as Ralph.
>>149240438>Heat nails that kind of melancholic, modern epic vibe that Mann goes for perfectly.There are social science papers written about it's portrayal of "crisis in masculinity" etc. It is a classic, whether you like crime films or not. Beautiful marriage of style and substance.
>>149243950>Name's Levine? You call yourself an actor you sonofabitch?
Anyone seen the unproduced TV pilot "L.A. Takedown" that Heat is based on? No style and cringy acting. It's amazing how it later became the classic that we all know and love.
>20 seconds into diner and chill and he gives you this look
okay, obviously i saw it on tv multiple times, but i want to own it, sooo WHICH bluray is the best? i know it's a murky territory of jewish cashgrabs and DNRs...
Ted Levine (buffalo bill from Lambs are Silenced)I was sure he was the guy who played waingro since Buffalo Bill is very alike Waingro in physical appearance. Turns out Ted can act both a hero and a villain!
any boomers here who actually saw it in cinema? what was the shootout like? i bet bonkers
>>149245811It has a different feel. Less sentimental and melodramatic, more rawness and less superrealistic detail.Together with Heat it becomes a fascinating object to study, what kind of role did Takedown have for Heat to become what it was? How much more improved did Heat get by letting the director make a film to use as a basic screenplay. Did the acting improve, did it help Pacino and DeNiro or did they feel the opposite? Sort of similar to the Psycho and Psycho-expirement by Van Sant.
>>149241824>Fast5I've told the story before but I'm going to tell it again. The best theater going experience I had in my life was watching Fast 5 in a second run theater in the urban side of town on $2 Tuesday. The crowd was 99% Black, Puerto Rican and Fillipino. During the majority of the movie the crowd was astonishingly well behaved all things considered but boy howdy let me tell you, when they ripped that bankvault out of the wall with those Chargers and started whipping it through the city center of Rio smashing through storefronts and copcars like a flail the entire theater went ballistic. That was easily the most fun I'd ever had at a theater up to that point, and it holds that spot even to this day.
>>149230443The TV. Very tragic character.
>>149230581THISkilmer as pale fiending heroin addict is KINO
>>149241232The whole thing should have been called off when he got in the truck. They're about to commit armed robbery and he's acting like they're going on a beer run. Of course he's going to be a problem.
>>149230443Jeremy Piven. Really believed he didn't want to give DeNiro his shirt.
>>149230528i miss him, shame he wasted away his best years
>>149230443The critics pretending it's good.
>if you feel the H E A T around the corner
>>149243665>character is named TrejoBravo Mann
>>149240274Probably the dyke haircut. It's a huge red flag and a sign that a woman has given up.
>>149230664If your search for heist movies ever causes you to come across Victoria, don't. It sounds bad, but it's worse.
>>149230443Tom Sizemore might not be the best he should get respect for playing his characters right in every movie, no I'M ACTING shit or just being dull. I like how they made him fall down in the fountain in the shootout scene and wonder if that was even planned it looked so natural.
>Neil says not to get attached to anything you aren't willing to drop in 30 seconds>time the part where he leaves Eady and runs away near the end out of curiosity>he takes almost exactly 30 secondsK I N OI NO
>>149240969They used to show Val Kilmer's reload as a textbook example in military schools
>>149230443Kilmer no doubt about it
>>14925290932Which is when you know Hanna is going to win by the end of the movie.
>>149254305Shit the fuck up with this r*ddit fact. He pops his head right back where it was before reload, that’s a great way to catch a bullet and is textbook retarded. Unlike Val Kilmer, I’ve actually been in firefights.
>>149230490Why don't you watch yourself
>>149249466I've always wondered how he got the gig with them, like who was their connection and how did the think of him for recommending such a dumbass psycho. I doubt it was Nate
>>149251686>Where did all this H E A T (1995 film) come from?
>>149231174LYNCHSNAP OUT OF IT
>>149230477right my dude. Pakino
>>149250717Who did he wasted? He was Jim Fucking Morrison!
>>149234599This film is insanely good. Used to watch it everyday when i was a teen, too bad it forever spoiled car chases for me because no other movie can match the car chases on Ronin
>>149240961I AMBUSHED YOU WITH A FUCKING COFFEE
>>149231174im just gonna say it. he did not have to get it on
>>149260018That prostitute was making a move. He had to get it on
>>149252909he got too attached to getting revenge
>>149230443This fil's only flaw is Al Pacino. He has never been a good actor and his career success is more baffling than Kevin Costner's. At least Costner can be unremarkable.
>>149234599I heard De Niro would do anything and than give the money to charity. Big if true
>>149257822wtf I love life time now
>>149263377Aerostars were kino. My neighbor had one modded into a camper.
>>149234599>RoninPatrician taste anon.
>>149230443n-thing Kilmer. de Niro was just de Niro and Pacino hammed it up to 11.
>>149263510i post the wrong pic
>>149262176I thought it was to pay for Roman Polanskis silence
Neil fucked up big time taking him into the crew. How could he be so careless?
>>149263377YEAH BUDDY!!! TMDWU!!!!!!!
>>149261571Not true. And his scene with Diane Venora in the hospital is incredibly solid work by both actors. You’re a retard.
>>149241824THIS IS BRAZIL
>>149263672She had to have been 15. That's not really pedo tier.
>>149263681how did they let him get away in the parking lot if my question
>>149263751Cops were passing by and Waingro took the opportunity to run.
>>149263968Yeah but four guys couldn't keep an eye on him? he also slipped away completely silently
>>149264096He put all his xp into sneak
Nobody it was dogshit
>>149264096Their attention was on the cops.
>>149264216Neil fucked up by letting him get away it's that simple
>>149264269Was there a way to kill Waingro without ruining his escape plans?
>>149264328Pay Jon Voigt to put a contract on him
>>149264328Neil would've made it if he didn't bring Eady to the hotel. Hanna sees her in the camaro.
>>149264328I've always wondered if he could have killed him in the hotel without pulling the fire alarm. Maybe he could have taken out Waingro and the cops in the other room fast enough to make it out and to his car before more police showed up.
>>149231174Look at me. LOOK AT ME!
>>149264616They were watching the room on camera
>>149264744Yeah that's what I mean, Neil would've had to kill Waingro then the two cops watching him, then gtfo the hotel before more showed up. I think it'd be doable
>>149264821Maybe he could have sniped Waingro or planted a bomb in his room service
>>149264821>I think it'd be doableNah, Hanna arrived by helicopter.
>>149230710>>149230973>>149231174>>149231222>>149231419>>149235352>>149235444>>149239735>>149240274>>149240644>>149241408>>149245955>>149257822I this the best ensemble cast ever? even the more irrelevant minor characters were played by a recognizable face and cool guys that have done memorable characters in other films
What if Neil had got away and then died of old age with Eady?
>>149264918or put a venomous snake in the air vent leading to his room
>>149264990Hannah was only paged because the fire alarm was pulled
>>149265080He might've then. A few minutes more were all that Neil needed.
>>149265080For a guy as ultra regimented as Neil, he really became unraveled at the end. Did they not know anything about Waingro?
>>149265037Something a little less straightforward. He called too much attention to himself.
>>149265030I would live vicariously through him
>>149265230>Did they not know anything about Waingro?Yup, he was fresh out of prison and they needed a 5th man.
>>149265314she was a qt
>>149265379For a guy as meticulous as Neil, you would think they would know more about him.
>>149230490i hate when that muscled up retard shows up in movies
Heat is a Lovecraftian masterpiece.
>>149230443the guy who made the end credits.
>>149266985He was fat in Heat lol.
>>149267492his suit was so big I could only see his roided head and gargantuan neck
>>149245811How is that different from this? Or are they the same?https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097700/
>>149268002yeah same thing. it was originally started as a pilot for a TV series but it didn't get picked up so they reworked it into a TV movie
>>149268088Thanks. When I read the "unproduced TV pilot" part I secretly hoped there's another version I haven't seen yet.
>>1492387565550 is still trips leddit
imagine a version of Heat where every shot with a woman in it is cut. where would it place among the greatest crime movies of all time?
>>149269177New or just retarded?
>>149265468Would the film have ended the way it had if Waingro hadn't killed three people during the armored heist?
>>149269289the impact that the characters' professions have on their personal lives and relationships is almost the whole fuckin point of the movie
>>149269362how fat are you?
>>149269376No, assuming Waingro wouldn't have done something else that would make them try to kill him and in return make him tip off Van Zant about the bank heist
>>149269461Oh, so new AND retarded
>>149269441every scene with a woman in it is horrible. considering that the movie is too long, it would be an easy choice to cut every single one of those scenes. it is shocking that they never released a director's cut that did exactly that. at the very least it would be an interesting experiment in how much better the movie would be without women
>>149269604Lol in what way is Val Kilmer's last scene horrible
>>149269441the movie sucks though its only the action scenes people care about
>>149269548so new, fat, and retardedyour move
>>149270346Ok, by now I am convinced you are trolling, because not even the most retared newfag would claim a post ending in 5550 to be trips. Well played, got me worked up a bit.
>>149230710is it true her career failed because of Weinstein?
>>149237257My favorite Tom Noonan role has gotta be his appearance on Louie.https://vimeo.com/15011266
>>149230443Pacino's tv set.
>>149263672>>149263731Definitely not pedo but I don't remember anything sexual about her character. Am I forgetting something, anons? Could be since I haven't seen this is years.
>250 replies>no heatposting
>>149270689repeating digits are repeating digits. would ye not consider >>111111110 septs?
The guy that had to get it on
>>149274658anyone want some pie?
>>149243691>Hanna’s obsession is also demonstrated in a much more subtle way. This can be seen when he leaves his wife at the dinner party to investigate a murder. In watching the way he consoles the grieving mother, we can see that he employs the same movements as he does when dancing with his wife.
>>149230443Donald Duck, of course
>>149275175You get killed walkin your DOGGY
Great movie but the coffee shop is pointless and underwhelming.
>>149276512brainlet take, but it's a free country, brother
>>149276512only reason Hanna knew Neil was there when he saw Eady alone in the car is because of the coffee shop conversation
>>149276763Maybe, but during the coffee shop scene, you can't help but think "is that it ?"
>>149230443Kilmer by far
>>149275774Who? Who? What are you, a fuckin' owl?
>>149277604I ain't your cuz, you rat motherfucker
>>149230443the wholse cast is amazing. truly a good kino
>>149277604"Got, got" Waddya we got? WADDYA WE GOT? Bon voyage motherfucker
>>149230443Dunno, I can never get past the awful arrangement of that poster long enough to watch it.>Al Pacino and Robert De Niro star in "Val Kilmer"
>>149237257Watch Anomalisa, thank me later.
>>149278131Who told yooouu, you rat mothafucka? WHO?!