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I'm watching the Sopranos right now and I just got to this episode and I'm seriously considering just quitting now and not even watching the last three episodes. What the fuck was the point of watching 6 fucking seasons of "character development" if they're just gonna shit all over it? Tony learned nothing from his experience with the shooting, he's back to what he was in the early seasons, Chris's entire arc was flushed down the toilet for cheap shock value, fucking AJ keeps getting screentime even though he sucks. What the fuck am I supposed to be watching anymore? What the fuck is the point? The only character I enjoy watching now is Sil and he's barely in the show now. Every other character has gotten so shitty that I am left in a bad mood after every episode. And now that they did this to Crissy I have literally no reason to watch this garbage anymore. Tony is so fucking infuriating to watch and I'm sick of Paulie. Fuck David Chase, fuck this show.
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>>139432720
Go take a midol.
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>>139432720
take it easy.
the whole cristopher arc come to a whole a that point. it was shocking i give you that, but also coherent and foreshadowed.
you'll understand tony's later on. don't give up now.
i think moltisanti is the best tragic character ever put on a show.
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That was literally Christopher's arc though. His killing is the end result of his and Tony's stories throughout the entire show. It's the most despicable thing Tony does, he's truly irredeemable past that point. Which is why it happens in the final season.
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>>139432720
It falls under the “it was groundbreaking so that means it’s good forever” category even though it’s aged like shit
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>>139432720
Christopher's arc is choosing loyalty to Tony over Adriana and then being snuffed out by him anyway
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>>139433167
>the whole cristopher arc come to a whole a that point
There was no arc. He was a degenerate druggie and then he actually got better (which was the best part of the show, his struggle to better himself) and then they decide to make him a degenerate druggie again for two episodes and then kill him. I don't care that Tony killed Chris, I care that they shit all over the development he made beforehand.
>you'll understand tony's later on
I understand Tony's, he's scum of the Earth. I got that SIX FUCKING SEASONS AGO so why did I waste my time with this shit? I never liked Tony, but I liked a lot of the side characters until one by one they died or were ruined.
>don't give up now
Watching this show just pisses me off now. There is no reason for me to continue watching anymore.
>>139433226
No, that was Tony's arc. Christopher's arc was done, and then they undid it in the span of two or three episodes so that Tony could kill him.
>>139433415
That's not an arc, that's just the plot. The arc is his character development and the way he changed as a person.
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>>139433314
>“it was groundbreaking so that means it’s good forever”
explain this pls.
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>>139433439
The crux of the Sopranos is Tony's inability to change his behavior because of his line of work, habituation to the lifestyle and general acceptance of normalizing immoral behavior by idolizing his father and Uncle. Why do you expect him to go through some redemption arc. He has his come to Jesus moment in 6a, but he's not strong willed enough to really make long term change because it would mean really taking a deep introspective look at himself in the mirror and leaving everything that comes with the mob lifestyle.
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tony was the only likable character in the show. you shoulda dropped it long ago
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>>139433582
>Why do you expect him to go through some redemption arc
I don't. I literally never said that I expected him to. I get that he's a bad person who can't change. That's just not a compelling narrative anymore after six seasons. It got grating in season 4 watching him to the same shit over and over. I just don't give a shit about him and now that Chris is gone I have no interest in the rest of the show. Fuck Tony.
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>Tony learned nothing from his experience with the shooting, he's back to what he was in the early seasons,

Exactly
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>muh likable characters
Jesus Christ. I'm glad you got filtered so hard that you could only quit at the very end in such an autistic rage.
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>>139433439
>>139433439
>There was no arc. He was a degenerate druggie and then he actually got better (which was the best part of the show, his struggle to better himself) and then they decide to make him a degenerate druggie again for two episodes and then kill him. I don't care that Tony killed Chris, I care that they shit all over the development he made beforehand.
but you see his daily struggle whit himself and the society around him. he was just a guy trying to thrive in the world he knows and his condition condemned him for the rest of his life.
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>>139433661
>That's just not a compelling narrative anymore after six seasons
Believe it or not, middle age mobsters don't change very much except for the worse. And as you'll find out if you choose to continue, his therapy sessions likely only enabled him to further normalize his destructive behavior over the course of the show. Tony has growth over the show. He's become a worse person since season 1 and the tragedy is that he had moments over the course of its run where he tried to turn a new leaf just to slip back in to old habits.
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>>139433791
FOR THE FIFTIETH FUCKING TIME I GET IT HE'S A PIECE OF SHIT WHO NEVER CHANGES. That's not interesting to me after dozens of hours.
>>139433813
Please learn to read. Chris was unlikable, but it was enjoyable to watch. That's what television should be: enjoyable to watch. Watching Tony go around being a degenerate is boring and obnoxious because I've seen it a million times.
>>139433847
>middle age mobsters don't change very much except for the worse
Just because it's realistic doesn't make it good television.
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>>139433899
>Just because it's realistic doesn't make it good television.
I'm sorry man, I can't help you. Everything you want out of this show is contrary to what it set out to unfold to you from the beginning of its run.
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>>139433899
not that fag but i want to ask you something: did you enjoy the series so far?
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>>139432720
op, calm down, just take a deep breath.
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>>139434021
kek
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>>139434021
>never pass a drug test
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>>139433957
It seems like it set out to bait me into watching 6 seasons hoping for something worthwhile to happen eventually and then destroying every part of it I actually enjoyed. Maybe that's "art" but I fucking hate it.
>>139433999
I didn't like the very early stuff, but then I started to enjoy it more and then it got really annoying for a while but started to get better again and then just jumped off a cliff in the last few episodes. Every enjoyable part of the show is gone except Sil, and I'm pretty sure he's not gonna carry it all himself.
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>>139432720
One thing that actually does bother me about this is the show ignoring Christopher's death after Kennedy and Heidi. The next three episodes just drag on and the subject never really comes up again outside of the spooky orange cat and some mumbled dialogue. It's like Christopher was collectively scrubbed from everyone's memory.
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>>139433899
>That's not interesting to me after dozens of hours.
well to the rest of us in here it is captivating. I will agree though it was fucked up. Moltisanti was becoming my favorite character on the show
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>>139432720
absolutely based. I just finished this episode today and thought the exact same thing.
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>>139432720
I think the point of the show is that no one really has an arc. All the major characters are basically the same people throughout the show. They try to change but never do. AJ was probably the one character who really evolved
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>>139434114
OH THANK FUCKING GOD KINOBRO IS HERE TO GIVE US HIS OPINION. THIS WHOLE FUCKING THREAD I WAS THINKING "JESUS I SURE HOPE KINOBRO GETS HERE SOON SO I CAN HEAR WHAT HE HAS TO SAY!" HE'S SUCH A VALUABLE MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY WE ALL FUCKING LOVE KINOBRO. Fuck off.
>>139434124
>the point of the show is that no one really has an arc
I get it, that's a fucking shit concept for a TV show that runs 6 seasons. It's just monotonous.
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>>139434097
i think sil was one of the most likeable characters and at the same time flat and one dimesional due of his lack of development.
that being said, i think your frustration comes from the point that you forced yourself to watching something you don't like.
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That's a problem with "prestige" television in general. The producers think that having twelve unlikable characters backstabbing and yelling at each other is a substitute for telling an interesting or compelling story. They're just soap operas for misanthropes.
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>>139434206
bitch bitch bitch that's all you do. why don't you go make your own Sopranos if your so fucking great
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>>139434339
>you forced yourself to watching something you don't like
I did like it, but all the parts I liked are gone now.
>>139434385
>No one can criticize any TV show ever cause they can't make their own TV show
Fuck you.
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>>139432720
What are your top 3 favorite dramas. No judgements, just genuinely curious.
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>>139434423
>can't make his own tv show
maybe just try writing then? like, your ideal Sopranos fanfic? :)
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>>139434423
i feel you OP. i watched the episode when it was aired and felt frustrated like you are right now.
it became worst in the finale though. but i still think after almost 20 years that is the best show i've ever watched.
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>>139434510
TV dramas? I don't watch a lot of television shows. I liked The Prisoner, I like Star Trek (TOS, TNG, and DS9), and I enjoyed the first season of Succession but haven't gotten around to watching the newer stuff. I liked The Shield too.
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>>139434101

That is literally the plot point of that movie matthew drinkwater was in, 'A Bronx's tale'.

You die and nobody cares, that's just business.
Christopher gave his soul to a man and a business that has no love or loyalty, and when he paid the price the world moved on.

Chances are that's gonna be your death as well.
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>>139434650
>You die and nobody cares, that's just business.
i agree. that's life, regardless you are a mobster or not. i mean, it applies to people in general.
but taking it from the series context, that's the way it is, one good example is when bobby[/ spoiler] dies.
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>>139433167
>but also coherent and foreshadowed.

There's nothing coherent or overshadowed about it at all. Chrissy was sober for weeks/months prior to this episode, and hadn't been Tony's driver either. All of a sudden, OUT OF NOWHERE, he's attending meetings with Tony and Phil Leorardo? A couple
Of episodes before this is Sopranos Home Movies where Tony tells Bobby he's going to be his new 2nd in command after Sil. And the episode before Chrissy dies Tony says he can't stand Chrissy being sober and is pissed he's not hanging around the Bing enough, in that same episode Chris attends an AA meeting and talks about how he's been sober for a while and how its affected his work relationships. And he's lost almost all the responsibilities he used to have.

The VERY NEXT episode after this Chris is driving Tony, which he hasn't done in over an entire season, AND he's attending a meeting with New York, which he hasn't done since Johhny Sac was the Boss. There's nothing consistent about this, not only does this happen out of no where and and disregards the previous episodes, but the episode itself seems to exist in a void, like it's a filler episode. If you take the episode completely out of the season nothing is changed, because in the episode AFTER this one, Bobby is attending meetings with NY along with Sil, which the previous episodes already lined up to happen.

It's as if the episode where Chris dies was a last minute thought, or some part of a rewriting process for the last 5 episodes of the show. Really everything that happens after Sopranos Home Movies is a sloppy mess, the writing is all over the place.
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>>139434423
>>139434519
here, I'll start things off for you OP
>Chris collapsed on the sofa. He felt entirely strange, and not only because he wasn't acclimated to his new apartment yet. He didn't realize how tense he'd been over the years working for Tony. At any time, he might get called to do a job... or be the job.
>Fuck those mugs, he thought. After everything they did to him. They'll never find me here though.
>He unzipped his jeans and pulled out his flaccid cock. If Ade was here she'd be taking care of this for him. He's gonna have to find a new broad.
>He began stroking vigorously. He became erect very quickly. It was a bonus from the move, he was beginning to think he had ED. Turns out it was just stress.
>As climax approached, he stood and half waddled to a small shrine he built around various pictures of OP. He sprayed down every picture.
>That'll teach that mug, Chris thought. He grinned, feeling very satisfied, and with cock hanging out went to the fridge to grab a Diet Coke

See? It's easy OP
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>>139435188
You make some good points.
>>139435190
Wow you're really funny. Didn't read.
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>>139432720
Why don't you get it? Tony did.
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>>139432720
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G29DXfcdhBg&ab_channel=oggerner
This scene basically, the only way out of the life is in a body bag.
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>>139435328
I get it. I just think it was drawn out and poorly done.
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>>139435246
>If Tony knew what he was doing right now he'd kill him for sure, Chris thought.
>He pushed his cock back into OPs asshole again. OP moaned with pleasure. "Fuck Chris, you're my favorite, but you're gonna tear my asshole apart if you keep doing that", OP said.
>"I thought you always liked it a little on the rough side?" Chris questioned playfully.
>"I do. It's just... Chris I love you! I don't want Tony to kill you!" OP cried.
>"Nothin will happen to me babe, you'll see. We'll write our own story. Together."
>Chris thrusted again hard. OP let out a wimper.
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>>139435632
You're being really gay right now.
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>>139435188
i think you make good points but also:
i said coherent because the family gave him several oportunities to him and he couldn't overcome his addiction. But also they discriminated him because of his problem. do you remember when tony talks to junior about this problem?
i said foreshadowed because i thought i'll be dead at the end, not tony murdering him.
but also, he wasn't sober, he killed the writer some episodes before in that goat scene.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GZwOt0kgfQ
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>>139435880
sory for bad english.
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>>139434597
>I like Star Trek
opinion discarded
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>>139435880
>he wasn't sober,

Yeah, he got drunk, off of alcohol, in the episode before that, but before that he hasn't done coke since he was in California, and after that he did heroin with the real estate lady, but that takes place some time before back in 6A, and there's a time skip between A and B. Also there is still literally no reasoning for him to be driving Tony in the episode, it's the only time in S6 he does so, or attending a meeting with NY, which Tony already cut him off from doing long before this takes place. No matter which way you slice it it's just bad writing.
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>>139432720
one of the main character faults that is constantly being portrayed in virtually everyone in the sopranos is the inability to change for the better. chris's faults are the drugs and the overwhelming loyalty to a psychopath. throughout the series chris is fucked over and over because of tony yet he always comes back. same with the drugs, he calls it a disease because eventually he knows he will probably go back. his own demise was because of the drug use and obedience to tony, and in my opinion he deserved it
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>why doesn't this show about mobsters have a happy ending :(((( why aren't crisserino and tony-lad going to sail off into the sunset and be happy nooooooo :((((
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It's a series about horrible low IQ criminals who rape society with violence. Chase intentionally made them extra repugnant in the final season to prove a point since up to then people had been liking the characters too much. This is why Tony becomes especially sociopathic in the final season.
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OP angry and filtered by the best show of all time.

Maybe you should watch TLC instead OP
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>>139432720
>Tony learned nothing from his experience with the shooting, he's back to what he was in the early seasons
That's the point, congrats
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>>139432720
That's the whole point of the show though. The characters fail to fix themselves because it would mean rejecting everything they had learned up to that point. It's meant to be a long journey to nowhere
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>>139432720
I'll save you some time and spoil the show since you hate it anyway. In the last episode, Tony goes to see AJ's therapist with Carmella to talk about his suicide attempt, and he ends up repeating the same stuff about his mother that he'd been telling Melfi for the entire show. He made zero progress and then his life abruptly just ends with nothing learned or gained
>You think you know, you think you learn something...like when I got shot.....kinda hard to describe....You know, you have these thoughts, and you almost grab it...and then...ftt.
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>>139432720
P L E B
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>>139432720
Did you actually let yourself get filtered by sopranos? What are you the ultimate pleb?
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>>139437947
do you know how rehabilitation works?
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>Also there is still literally no reasoning for him to be driving Tony in the episode
i don't see what's wrong here. think about it and compare to real life situations.
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>>139435188
*cinema sins counter dings*
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>>139432720
>Tony learned nothing from his experience with the shooting, he's back to what he was in the early seasons,
That was the very the point, you dense dullwit: YOU - CANNOT - CHANGE - A - PERSON'S - CHARACTER.
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>>139432720
Chris was a fucking junkie
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>>139441472
>do you know how rehabilitation works?

Do you know how writing in television series works? Ever written in your life?
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Nothing happens the entire show. It's just a mafia soap opera. All people remember is one neat dream sequence and the gay adkins guy.
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>>139441603
Israel is the only majority white country in the Middle East, every other country is a shithole filled with dirty sandniggers.
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Imagine being a dumb self inserter that gets filtered by lack of MCU “hero’s journey” «development”. Don’t watch any Charlie Kaufman films, or you’ll end up with a stroke, retard
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>>139441983
Imagine having such a low standard of writing from all the MCU movies you've watched that you cant spot terrible writing in an emmy award winning TV show.



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