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Rise and Shine edition

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Posting the lucky Dalek for another good thread, we've been on a roll lads
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https://youtu.be/t1SZs4xudf8
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Come on Binge, it's not a workday anymore
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Are they really just evil space turtles?
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>>137317369
I presume so?
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Come on lads, we were on a roll the last few threads.

Posting some Jenna to keep it alive
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>>137317369
Evil militaristic space turtles, if I remember right.
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Tom has the worst “If you only knew how bad things really are” face in this new Big Finish photoshoot.

Also 4 is getting a black female UNIT officer companion with Harry Sullivan .

https://www.bigfinish.com/news/v/a-new-fourth-doctor-team-for-2024?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=4ths13&utm_content=news
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>>137318216
Fourth Doctor Series Thirteen
>2024

Jesus fucking christ. I know they're recording a lot of Tom in advance so when he does pass away we'll have like 6 or 7 years of backlogged adventures with him still, but Big Finish's strategy for announcing £40 boxsets that are like 3 or 4 years away is retarded. No one's going to remember, 'oh that boxset is coming out'.
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The sad thing with Tom’s audios is that the vast majority are supposed to be just okay with barely any great ones. Hopefully the ten crossover is great which I am looking to ((((buy))))).
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>>137318511
I'm wondering if Out of Time 2 and 3 being yet to be announced means they might have gotten Smith and Capaldi onboard to properly do some stories.
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>>137318525
That Dalek is horribly non screen-accurate.
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>>137318532
It’s sad but part of me is still wishing that Eccelston is getting revealed today on their YT livestream to be part of the TLV thing along with Out Of Time vol 2 with a classic doctor, wishful thinking for me is 7.
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My first ever Dr Who scene just got uploaded. Where did all of you guys jump on (and maybe jump off)?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFyuH8h_wiU
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>>137318625
>That dude saying “im sorry, I’m so sorry” in the first twenty seconds

I jumped on series 3 , I have vague memories of watching the first episode with the Judoon. I jumped off at series 6 because smith made me seeth because I was a tennant fanboy and I had grew out of the show. I came back during series 9 after hearing about the premiere and how good Heaven Sent was.
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>>137318625
Rose, in 2005. I was 4. My Dad and Brother dropped it at the end of Series 1, me and my Mum continue to watch it to this day, although we've slacked a bit and probably need to rewatch New Who as a whole soon.
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>>137318758
Did you catch up on everything you'd missed?
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>>137318416
Christ, he looks ancient.
>Day of the Doctor was 15 years ago

>>137318511
I'm still angry over BF wasting John Hurt the same way. A couple of interesting episodes, mostly just forgettable scripts.
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>>137318337
>>2024
Retard fans stick preorders on, even stuff that's not coming out for like a year
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>>137318216
Full of cliches too
>Actor Eleanor Crooks added: “Naomi is very much like me. She's very feisty and says what she wants to say. And her weakness, if you will, is that she's quite headstrong. So it's good that she has Harry there to balance her out a little bit.”
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>>137318806
>>Day of the Doctor was 15 years ago
Go back to school, anon.

>>137318806
>>137318511
No wonder when they're making as many as they are, as quickly as they are
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>>137318511
No wonder they're mostly crap stories. Series 13! If I were a fan of BF, I'd much rather have just had like 4 or 5 solid series rather than THIRTEEN, jesus christ. But that's BF for you, £££$$$
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>>137318625
Aliens of London/ World War Three. I caught a re-run on BBC 3 and saw Christopher Eccleston being insanely charismatic, so I got curious. Then Dalek followed it up, I liked that because the only episode of Doctor Who I’d watched til that point was the Dalek Invasion of Earth. Father’s Day and the Empty Child/ Doctor Dances turned me into a fan.

Stuck with the show all the way til season 12, but I’m out now. I’d been losing interest since season 6 - I thought season 5 was good, but a bit of a disappointment, because none of the episodes were as good as Blink or EC/DD. Also, the Big Bang did what I’d come to dislike about the RTD finales, which was the magic reset button.
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>>137318799
I know everything that happened in Smiths era thanks to looking stuff up and binges reviews but I’m in no hurry to watch his era personally. I’ve watched most of capaldi but I wasn’t as much into it as I am now so I think I’m due to watch all of his run.
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>>137318881
Fair enough! That's my strat going forward. Let shit air, read into it, decide if it's worth my time.
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>>137318875
I feel pretty much the same. I jumped on later, but my general interest was peaked the same way. And I'm also out thanks to Series 12. Fuck this whole era. Hopefully the next one starts with Series 14.
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Going to introduce Big Finish to my parents. Not sure where to go with it though. My Mum has heard Chimes of Midnight, and we wore out things like Mutant Phase. I think I want to show her all of the 8 and Charley stuff.
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>>137318957
will she be sucking you off while you listen?
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>>137318806
To be fair, BBC got involved in story writing aspect of War Doctor audios so it's no surprise they couldn't really do anything
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>>137318957
Masters a good standalone one to start off with , everything about the crispy master is explained to you in it so It shouldn’t be too bad for new people.
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>>137318957
Master, Davros, Omega.
I, Davros.
Dark Eyes.
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Bit late on this, but new Benny stuff announced and it looks great.
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>be me
>retail wagecuck
>have a minimum of 12 hours allotted a week
>boss hires extra staff for covid
>not enough hours to go around
>have to work stupidly short shifts
>working 4-7 tonight
>just wanna shitpost on /who/

FUCK CO-OP
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>>137319223
4-7? what shit luck
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If Dr Who is going to start filming during the Covid Era, is this the future of the show? Just all shot in Roath Lock with minimal actors?
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>>137319199
Narvin is always kino
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>>137319199
Gonna be diving in to the Warner stuff today actually , took me ages to transfer the files of the two unbound stories but I’m looking forward to it.
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>>137319230
Every day mate, id rather work anywhere from a 6-9 hour shift, but 3 fucking hours? is a joke
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>>137319308
James Goss said Time Lady Benny was a reference to Time Lord Victorious, dunno if it's to do with the story. Anything with Benny is kino anyway, as she's my favourite companion, inspired me to study Archaeology myself.
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>>137316699
What is /who/'s favourite rendition of the daleks? Mine are the ones from the Dalek Invasion of Earth (1964).
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Doctor Who is dead.
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>>137319356
Pretty much any 60s Dalek is great. They're probably the best Daleks, for me.

I also like the colour scheme in Death to (pic attached), and I like the slightly remodelled Imperial Daleks and their colour scheme too.
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>>137319385
Spent all of Resolution going, 'don't worry this isn't the new Dalek design' because everyone thinks it looks like shit

>It is exactly the new Dalek design

What was Chibnall thinking, /who/?
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>>137319356
Imperial Daleks. Love the White & Gold, and their voices are lovely.
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>>137319421
It looks like a one-off, and the rumours say it's human-built and there's a face off, but who knows. It looks like shit.
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>>137319385
This is a Dalek that you'd see on Skaro Aid or some shit

>These Daleks were born with brittle casing and thin necks. Out there in the wild, they could only kill one human. One. single. human.
>For just 20, credits, we can give it some cloth to cover up it's ugly fucking body

I liked the Resolution one because it looked like a banged up metal monster made with a box of scraps, but even the fucking horrors of the Big Lads and Rusty's bronze lads is that they still kept the same design
>but muh tank Dalek
Yeah I miss him too

I don't know, it just looks ... wrong
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Whats binge watching tonight?
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>>137319750
LISTEN
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>>137319750
He should be on Listen next. I'm excited to see whether it holds up, I haven't watched it in forever
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>>137319817
Spoiler: It doesn't.
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>>137319817
I watched it recently and it was really good, I still prefer mummy which might be unpopular but Listens main achievement for me is how different it is from literally every other episode
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>>137319849
Mummy is an instant classic though so it's fair to like it more. I just remember Listen being a bit more divisive, as evidenced by >>137319845
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>>137319845
Spoiler: the monster is Warwick Davis under the bedsheets
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>>137319903
It was Chibnall all along. The First Doctor was so petrified of what he had planning he tried to run away from Gallifrey
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>>137319945
Looms aren't canon.
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Which Series 13 is better?

>Tom Baker Season 13
>Tom Baker Series 13 (BF)
>Whittaker Series 13
>Jago and Litefoot Series 13
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>>137320131
Whittaker's Series 13, cause we all know that's when the Chibnall Master Plan REALLY kicks in
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>>137318532
Isn't out of time a red dwarf episode?
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>>137320131
Tom's Season 13.
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>>137320155
Yep
One of the best ones too.

Right before we lose Rob and Grant takes over for a meh series 7 and a disastrous series 8
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>>137320155
It's also a Torchwood episode.
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>>137320320
do I have too much?
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>>137320320
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>>137320358
Imagine how much this is all worth. And then imagine spending it all on Doctor Who merch
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>>137319085
>Master, Davros, Omega.
>I, Davros.
Pretty based
>Dark Eyes.
Anon what the fuck
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DWMs
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>>137318806
>Robots of Death was 43 years ago
ftfy
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>>137320358
Faces are a bit hit and miss
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>>137320430
https://twitter.com/sisterhood_karn/status/1287022193826770949
>Finally have a Zoom background to be proud of. And to entice geeky twinks into my lair with.

This dude is 40.
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>>137320469
You can tell just from his face he's a Norfener
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>>137320469
>>137320489
>London, England
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Any one watching the triple bill of NuWho on drama? Currently on The Impossible Planet. Scooty had some nice tits
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>>137320517
oof never mind then I'm just racist to the Norf
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>>137320469
https://twitter.com/sisterhood_karn/status/1279316462247739393

Cunts.
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TAKE ME BACK
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>>137320549
Literally the cutest redshirt the show has ever seen. She died too soon
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>>137319494
This, followed by the bronze ones.
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>>137320589
recent
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>>137320731
This is why I love >>137318602 so much
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Mommy time
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>>137318792
You and your mum are gay.
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Time Lord Victorious so far. Time Lord Victorious will launch in September 2020 over twelve weeks, with products and experiences releasing from September until January 2021.
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>>137320797
i still dont know what the fucking story is
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>>137320882
That's because the story's not out yet
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>>137320767
The white/gold scheme just makes them look so elegant. They're almost too tasteful for Daleks.
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>>137320914
So they want fans to preorder all that shit based on the fact it's got Daleks, some Ood, and a tagline of "it's another kind of war"

I hope this bombs
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I love it. It makes sense since they were originally made by Davros, I think. I love the weathered look of the SWD (a shame the bronze Daleks always seem to look pristine every time they come back too).
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>>137319494
I wish we'd seen more of them (the Remembrance remodels, not the Revelation ones). I wonder if the show had continued if we'd have had more Imperials.
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They're amazing
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>>137321121
God I just want to see a modern Special Weapons Dalek
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>>137321267
something like this ?
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>>137321353
That's pretty hot desu
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Unused S4 idea
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>>137321353
Awesome!
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>>137317245
Is there a Jodie version of this yet?

Also, is there a Jo Martin version?
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NSDs but with different paint jobs. If I were the producer, I'd try one or two of these.
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spam dumping dalek pics I have soz /who/
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>>137321567
I could make a Jodie version, but Binge has said he's unsure if he'll actually watch her stuff when it comes to it. The man's gone through 7 series of the show in a month already though, so I wouldn't blame him if he doesn't want to
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>>137321623
Grey and blue would have been kino
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>>137317245
I still got shit to do, anon, I have to leave some obligations for the weekend so I have time to review over the work days.
Here's last thread's rewatch posts if you haven't seen them:

Into the Dalek:
>>137289629
>>137289671
>>137289699
>>137289739
>>137289779
>>137289827
>>137290835

Robot of Sherwood
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>>137296939
>>137296970
>>137297009
>>137297052
>>137297087
>>137297517

I'll watch Listen in about two hours then write some autism about that and maybe about S8 so far if there's enough material for that yet. We'll see.
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>>137322133
Fair enough Binge, take your time. You're providing good content for the general as it is
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>>137322133
After Listen and Time Heist, it'd be interesting to get a mid-series write up. I think the series fundamentally changes a bit after that mainly because of Danny Pink coming more into the fold with Caretaker, and Clala's bust up with the Doctor in Moon/Mummy.
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>"obligations"
still busy fapping after seeing that red sherwood dress, i bet
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>>137322133
Hey Binge, how are you finding Doctor and Clara's relationship so far?
Considering we've gone from "My impossible perfect girl" to "Ah don't worry, you're built like a man"
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>>137322451
Come on don't post something like that it's unfair. I just finished my last one
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>>137322451
Not Binge, but I think what attracts me to Clara is that even though she's pretty and adorable most of the time, her face is genuinely one of the most expressive when it comes to showing how she feels.
Rose - Has a big smile and a pouty stropping mouth when needed
Martha - Cold Dead Eyes that thirst for the Doctor. Notable for the thousand yard stare whenever the Doctor mentions Rose
Donna - While I think she's a fantastic companion, she's not my type. Although dear lord don't let her run before watershed, she's channelling Peri.
Amy - Scottish "I'm done with this shit". Can do lusty, shocked and amused, but most of the time, deadpan "WHAT'S YER PLAN DOCTER"
Clara - A face for every occassion, really knows how to sell a goofy look, a cheeky look, a smug, worried, confident, etc. It's like Peter but less eyebrows
Bill is great but I think she works better with Nardole so she has someone she can complain to about the Doctor
Yaz:_____________________________________________
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>>137322648
River: :^)
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>>137322648
>Yaz:_____________________________________________
Tbh Yaz is actually pretty cute too, shame about the lack of character and lines
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>>137322717
I cannot even begin to describe how much I dislike River.
Not only the fact she seems to have more chemistry with Capaldi in one single fucking episode than the entirety of Matt but the fact she had a stunning start and it was fucking butchered.
Also, the entire plotline started.
River will die here, and the Doctor will save her, but River knows his name, and the only reason he'd ever say his name is if he died. But he didn't die, his name's not important, it's the name he chooses himself, it's such a fucking stupid plotline only made worse by River seemingly knowing everything. It's only in LKH is she unaware of how to use the fucking Tardis, past then she's then a whizzkid so the whole setup to her being this all knowing traveller with the Doctor is in one episode only. That and Moffat keeps hyping her up to be the best person ever so the only joy I get from watching her episodes is Matt trying to annoy her.

>>137322803
She's genuinely adorable yeah, and actually seems to like being part of the cast and beating Jodie at everything when it comes to games.
Shame Chibnall forgot to write lines for her.
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>>137322803
Of all of them, I'm glad Yaz is staying for S13. It's too little too late to salvage her but if it's *just* her and 13 next series it'll be way better. I fully expect Chib to introduce like 18 side characters though.
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>>137322968
I don't hate River, but she is missed potential. When she shows up in Library, you think that their love story is going to be literally back to front, like this:
Doctor:---------------->
River:<----------------

Except that idea is completely lost by Series 6 and from then on her chronology gets super messy. Moffat should have kept to that love story in reverse idea, so that her final appearance is the flipside of their relationship in Library, where now it's the Doctor who loves her while River has no clue who he is. In between should have been seeing how she gets to the point she reaches by Library. Maybe one episode opens with the Doctor teaching her about the Tardis, or the spark for one adventure is River needing something to become an archaeologist. Moffat should have done much more like this, but instead she's largely the same character throughout everything she's in.
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>>137322968
Which is the most adorable companion?
I'd have to say Ace and/or Peri but Ace narrowly wins
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>>137323122
Classic:
>Zoe
>Jo
>Peri
>Ace

NuWho:
>Oswin
>Victorian Clara
>Modern Clara
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>>137323178
Isn't Clala a bitch and a control freak?
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Exactly
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>>137323109
I've been saying since series 12 ended, I think they might do a pattern similar to this -

Series 11- Focus on Ryan and Graham
Series 12- Focus on the doctor
Series 13- Focus on Yaz
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>>137323112
Oh for sure, I genuinely thought that's how it was going to go.
Also slightly ruined by the novels/audio/Moffat's fanfiction, I forget which one, which says she travelled to see every other Doctor anyway, which is to say "One day he won't even recognise me, and that will kill me" because she goes back and fucks Hartnell with a strapon

Moffat dropped the ball by making it be "Keep crossing paths at odd ends" rather than "opposite time-streams"

>>137323122
My classic Who is a bit of a weak point but Ace has the whole Dave Lister look and I always thought that was cool as fuck.

New who it's Clara and Martha probably. Also Amy but that's obvious.
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>>137323373
>because she goes back and fucks Hartnell with a strapon
What did I just read
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>>137323355
Which is retarded, given that they literally said S12 would give more to Yaz to do
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>>137323355
Remember this: https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/a25651803/doctor-who-companions-series-12-yaz/

I wonder what it was. Did I miss it?
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>>137323373
Well, look at it like this. I want to have sex with Ace and look at pictures of Peri, but to complicate things I also want to masturbate to pictures of Peri.
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>>137323471
Furthermore, I only like Ace when she is in motion and not in still pictures. Peri I can do both but the picture in motion has to be a gif.
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>>137323122
Erimem. At least the way I imagine her, I haven't seen any official image of what she looks like.
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>>137323404
I forget in which media it's in but it's heavily implied that River goes back, wipes the memory of her visit, and chills with the previous Doctors.
Which shits on a lot of the whole emotional impact of her seeing Ten but ah well
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>>137323122
Benny. Plus Lisa Bowerman is MILF as fuck these days jesus...
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>>137323651
The nerve of that woman.
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>>137323721
Found the bugger

>didn't like 1, 2 or 6
>Neutral about 4,7 and 8
>5 had a temper
>9 would go off on one about the Time War

At least she got on with Pertwee.
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>>137324024
Thought 7 would scare her to death desu with all the shit he pulls
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Oh dear god.
For some reason, BBC, in their infinite wisdom, have given you, yes you, sitting their browsing 4chan, the chance to design a new Dalek.
The BBC have obviously lost their minds, but you take the chance anyway.
You're allowed to go looking on google images for the best Concept Dalek you can find, and you need to present it to head office soon.
If you don't, Chibnall stays forever.
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Doctor Who is alive.
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Where's me senpai
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>>137324024
River thinks she's the most knowledgeable person about the Doctor but doesn't know she's had 832832 lives pre-Hartnell. BTFO River
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>>137319356
are daleks a joke? i never watched doctor who
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>>137324128
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Why have we never had a purple dalek
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>>137322219
Okay, I'll do it after Time Heist then.
>>137322451
Hah, I'm afraid not, I would have but I didn't have the time today.
>>137322534
Well, it's only the 3rd episode but I think even if you put aside that the production crew probably wanted to put an end to the flirting, it makes sense in-universe to see how the relationship changed. I'll need to watch more episodes to be sure but I think the change is very interesting and that I'll comment on it a lot at some point in series 8. I like it. There was a moment in Robot of Sherwood when one of the former captives is grateful to 12 and gives him a quick peck on the check, and for him it's such a shock, like someone changed his life. Think about it, he's been stuck on Trenzalore for about a thousand years, how often have people shown him affectionate gestures lately? Did he have a lot of chances to practice social skills? He probably got completely unused to it, hence why he's so inept at hugging and caring about other people's feelings.

I'll go watch Listen now, need more episodes before I start talking out of my ass.
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>>137324760
>>137324724
It has the sex
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>>137324793
He provides a reason for not liking hugging, but spoilers for later.
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Reminder that RTD was originally planning to use the Daleks in "The End of Time" to reveal that the High Council (if not all Time Lords) had actually teamed up with the Daleks in the final stages of the Time War, but backed off when he realised Moffat was using Daleks early on in Series 5 as he didn't want to step on toes and have 2 Dalek stories in quick succession.
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>>137324925
Davies wanted to have a parliament of Daleks making an alliance with the Time Lords in his The End Of Time script, but he agreed to back down because Steven Moffat planned to use them in series five.
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>>137324552
It was spooky in the 60's
At this point they're too iconic to Doctor Who to radically change the design.
Yeah sure, once it was a wheelie bin with some baubles and a whisk, but 1960's BBC Sci-fi budget
But in-universe they were some serious shit

Doctor Who has new people comment on them looking like trash cans as a joke as to how shit they look before they get vaporised
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>A possible alternative title for the Steven Moffat-scripted episode Forest Of The Dead was apparently A River Song Ends. Other potential titles suggested by Davies (in a not at all serious way as you’ll gather from their initials) include: Forest Under CAL’s Kingdom and CAL’s Untimely Node Transmission.
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>In The Unicorn And The Wasp, David Tennant disagreed with the original ending in which Ten killed the Vespiform by hitting it with a car saying that the Doctor shouldn’t be a murderer. Instead, the creature drowned in a lake.
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>In May 2007, Davies turned down a meeting with George Lucas about writing for a new Star Wars TV series, “The thought of more years typing ‘INT. SPACESHIP’ and playing with other people’s toys… I mean, no matter how much I love Doctor Who, it’s not mine. I didn’t create this show. Ah well, Lucas might not have liked me anyway. And I can always tell people that I turned him down.”
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From tvtropes:
>When Strax scans Clara's subconscious, he sees what he generously interprets as "men playing sport." (Given Strax's terrible track record at identifying the genders of humans, of which his tendency to call Clara "boy" is only one example, it might not be [This example contains a YMMV entry. It should be moved to the YMMV tab.] men "playing sport".)
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>When The End Of Time budget didn’t look as though it would stretch to all the visual FX in Davies’ script (including Earth’s entire population turning into John Simm), Davies offered to pay for some of it himself, but it wasn’t allowed according to BBC policy.
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>Filming on the Brandon Estate in Kennington, South East London (which stood in for the Powell Estate, home to Rose and Jackie Tyler), was regularly interrupted by residents swearing at the BBC team, on one memorable occasion calling them “poofs and homosexuals”, on another “bollocks to the lot of yer”.
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>Immediately after the Christmas 2008 special, The Next Doctor, was screened, in the same hotel, one floor above a roomful of journalists, interviews were filmed about Matt Smith’s casting as the real next Doctor to be used in the Smith-announcing Doctor Who Confidential. (“Hilarious! With all those journalists downstairs, missing the scoop!)
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>RTD was pressured to take a co-writer credit on Waters Of Mars because he was told that his name on scripts attracts guest stars, though he feared it would look strange as he hadn’t taken co-writer credits on all the previous scripts he’d rewritten. “I write the final draft of almost all scripts – except Steven Moffat’s, Matthew Graham’s, Chris Chibnall’s and Stephen Greenhorn’s”.
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>Despite having always planned to leave after three years in the job, David Tennant reportedly had “a wobble” after Steven Moffat outlined his series five ideas to him. On the 10th of April 2008, Davies wrote, “Steven Moffat has given David the weekend to decide whether he wants to do series five or not. The thing is, David is thinking about it!”. Ultimately, the wobble didn’t take. Tennant told Davies about series five, “It’s genius, seriously absolute genius… but I want to watch it, not be in it”.

>If you’d been sipping a latte at a Starbucks in Cardiff Bay on the 23rd of May 2007, you’d have overheard some very interesting stuff. Davies, Julie and Phil set up shop outside the coffee shop and received all the series four writers one by one for a total of nine hours of script talk.
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>>137325141
THE MAN WHO NEVER WOULD
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What episodes had solid stories ruined by the special effects?
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>>137324461
Here's a new un
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>>137325508
Kek
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>>137324987
Alliance for what purpose?
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>>137325617
FOR YOU.
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>>137325508
i just remembered the black dress clara wears in listen so this review will probably take him a while
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>>137319199
might pirate it someday
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can't stop thinking about peri and nicola bryant for some reason
what do?
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>>137325472
Capaldi's era was ruined by the CGI old man who replaced Matt Smith
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>>137325617
He never went into more detail but one can presume that the Time War was literally going to shit, so old mad Rassilon offered to join with the Daleks to combine forces and eradicate the universe or something? In that episode anyway, Rassilon's not even arsed about defeating the Daleks, he just wants to ascend to become beings of consciousness and fuck the universe.
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>>137326136
Wank
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>>137326136
Watch some of her best stories to get it out of you

and then have the most furious wank the world has ever witnessed
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>>137326308
>>137326338
won't that just encourage me to think about them more? I don't want to be a coomer
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>>137326225
>Hey Rassilon, we've gone past the point of no-return here, not even I can stop my Daleks from fucking up the Universe.
>Tell me about it, I got Omega using the Could've been King as a fucking sword, it's all fucked.
>Well, Rassilon, if it's come down to this, and we're all doomed anyway...
>Yes?
>Bet you I can fuck it up quicker
>Is that a fucking challenge?

And in the end they get so junked up on fucking things up they join up to fuck even more up
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>>137326351
anon, this thread is full of fucking coomers lusting over Peri and Clara for some retarded reason. Not even the two hottest companions
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>>137326526
your judgement is the definitive one i'm sure
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>>137326526
Who's your hottest companion then clever boy
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>>137326526
>Not even the two hottest companions
Who's your pick then?
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Okay, done with Listen. I have no idea what to write, it's really good but some things in it bother me.
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RUSTY: Daleks will die.
DOCTOR: Die all you like. Not my problem.
RUSTY: Daleks must be destroyed.
DOCTOR: Daleks must be de. What did you just say?
RUSTY: All Daleks must die. I will destroy the Daleks. Destroy the Daleks. Destroy the Daleks!

Why then does the Doctor go inside it? Why not just release it and crack on with destroying the Daleks?
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>>137326558
>>137326573
>>137326580
Keking at these coombrains seething over their waifu
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>>137326667
I'm desperately trying to avoid waifufagging on Doctor Who of all things
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>>137326639
30 second clip from the start of the episode that they cut, which may be the single most kino TARDIS scene ever: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X20uV2MlI2k
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>>137324987
Citation needed
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>>137326711
RTD himself, in The Writer's Tale
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>>137326656
The Dalek is ill and damaged and immobile, and the Doctor doesn't want to help it. He's surprised of course that the Dalek is asking for help, but is too off put by it being what it is.

When he says "Destroy the Daleks", it makes him stop and think there's change. However, he fixes it and it goes killing humans. It's only when Clara slaps him one after being happy the Dalek is, as he thought , a cunt, the Doctor tries to stop it from killing the humans and seeing inside the Doctor's mind, hoping that it'll see good and become like the Doctor.

Unfortunately, this is very much the case, and the Doctor's pure rage that he hides for the Daleks comes out and the Dalek kills everything

tl;dr
It was too ill to move, the Doctor went inside out of a morbid curiosity from the Dalek a. Asking for help and B. Wanting to kill it's own kind
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>>137326639
Binge is reminding me just how uneven and disjointed Series 8 (especially early on) feels.
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>>137326786
Christ, what a shit episode
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ROSE AND CLARA WEREN'T EVEN 900 YEARS OLD YOU PIECE OF ALIEN SHIT PEDOPHILE
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>>137326573
>>137326580
Bernice Summerfield. Thank you gentlemen.
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Waifuposting killed /who/ today.
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Doesn't the expanded universe contain at least six River Song-like "Bisexual dominatrix who has the hots for the Doctor and knows everything?"
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>>137327878
Iris is nothing like River. Also, to be fair, Benny came first. River is way more insufferable than any spin off character.
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>>137328098
Moffat basically nicked Benny as a character and just did the whole 'loving the Doctor and meeting in the wrong order' thing.
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>>137328141
He also basically nicked Strax too.
>Strax is based on a disgraced Sontaran called Skrom from an unused Series 5 script by Gareth Roberts tentatively titled Death to the Doctor. Steven Moffat would later inform Roberts that his character idea would see the light of day.
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>>137328300
Moffat is a massive hack who nicks people's idead anyway
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>>137328300
And series 9 finale threeparter was ripoff of Charley saga
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>>137327812
Don't you mean, waif/who/posting?
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RIP /who/

See you later for Listen
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>>137329534
Maybe we shouldn't have coomed so much to Clala. That red dress is the end of /who/
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>>137329534
the only thing that could save this thread right now
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>>137329534
Sorry, /who/, I got sidetracked with some (non-coomer) stuff, I'm writing as fast as I can.
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https://youtu.be/6JIVw23JTKY?t=111

Briefly, for a single shot in this video, you can see Jenna's wet back as she's almost completely naked in a pool of red goop with Matt Smith. This was to film those bits in Crimson Horror when they're both red
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>>137330108
She has a strap/top on.
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>>137330298
>she's ALMOST completely naked
Reading comprehension's not your finest skill, is it?
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>>137330368
You can see her shoulders for 0.8 seconds, anon. Enjoy your pathetic fap.
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>>137330368
>you can see Jenna's wet back
Basic sight isn't your finest skill, is it?
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>>137330698
>>137330741
Keep it up samefag
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>>137330807
ok anon
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>>137330108
bit desperate
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>>137330863
but you can see her WET BACK (sorry, shoulder) FOR A WHOLE SPLIT SECOND OMG
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>>137330108
>>137330894
posting for desperate anon - don't bother with a single frame of a video when you can just google jenna's shoulders
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>>137330894
OMIGOD HER BACK
I'M GONNA COOOOOOOOM
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clara..
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>capaldi's been gone for two years
>nothing but Capaldi and Clara images

Is it you miss them that much, that binge anon is going through them, or that the SENPAI is that unmemorable?

Where's the Bill love anyway
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>>137331555
Bill gets love whenever anyone brings up her fat arse
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>>137331631
Funny how people used to hate her. She’s kino.
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>>137331759
I genuinely put her and the Doctor near the top of best team-ups
>>137331631
Bill can sit on my face
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Would Bill work just as well without Nardole?
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>>137331837
Honestly I think Bill and Nardole were the perfect duo act. While other companions have to be both the Doctor's minder and "Wow isn't this cool", seperating them into two was genius. Bill gets to be wowed at everything and be genuinely shocked that the Doctor's an arse, whereas Clara would end up tryign to console him or make him better, and Nardole is just so sassy and so like a parent that the Doctor doesn't like having him around, but at the same time is kinda lost without at least someone to shout at and Bill's somewhat off limits
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>>137331555
this thread was tennant when binge was going through rtd, smith when binge was going through early moffat, now it's time for capaldi and coleman
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>>137331837
Nardoles just a goofy character. He’s a good addition but he didn’t really need to be in Series 10.
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>>137331948
Can't wait for all the 13 stuff
So we can post about all the memorable characters like...
Ah fuck
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>>137331957
I remember them announcing Lucas was staying on full time and absolutely cringing because of how he'd played the character in whatever Xmas special he was in, going on about "where's the little boy's room?" and holding a teddy bear, etc. Jesus christ.

Thankfully they made it work better.
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>>137331759
Series 10, for the mostly shit plots, was pretty comfy. Twelve is still a dick but the angst from Series 8 and 9 is gone, and he has a nice grandpa/granddaughter rapport with Bill. Nardole is his carer.
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>>137332199
*despite the
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYgZSXKjnok
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>>137332199
Something I think binge will like about 12 is how he gradually gets nicer to people and more wise and less edgy as he goes along. It really feels like he learns a lot and grows as a person even thought you can tell he’s still the same man. He honestly does feel like the best version of himself by Series 10 and it’s why it’s so comfy along with his relationship with Bill and Nardie.
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>>137332276
Good analysis of Chibnall and why he's fundamentally unsuited to Who
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>>137332276
>complains that series 11 is unmemorable
>no-one will remember Ransvoor Av Kolos

Lucky for that youtuber, Season 12 is going to be remembered for a very long time
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>>137332403
Series 10 is the closest to the classic series
>the Doctor is a wacky old grandpa/dad/professor who isn't entirely trustworthy and hurls insults at people
>the companion is a daughter/granddaughter surrogate, not his waifu
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>>137332512
Matt should have regenerated in the Series 7a, 12 and Clara are Series 7b and Bill and 12 get two series before Moffat fucks off :(
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>>137332495
For the wrong reasons. And, actually, I'd wager it'll be forgotten in a few years, much the same way the TV Movie has fallen into relative obscurity, and half-human, etc. People will barely even remember how unremarkable TTC was.
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>>137332512
If I had to draw comparisons, it's sort of like... 3/Jo, or 7/Ace.
Series 11 and 12 are pretty close feeling to the classic series too, but they ape off the worst part, Davison's era.
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>>137332495
If you can be arsed - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JANMWYh7biQ
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>>137332690
My solution is Clara leaves after series 8 and we get 2 series of Bill and Nardole at the university
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>>137332784
But then we get no Face the Raven/Heaven Sent
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>>137332930
Yeah that's the thing, Clara staying on for as long as she did allowed the kino that was Heaven Sent/Hell Bent
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Next time: Binge edition
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>>137333282
They're all Binge editions, it's not like /who/ has much else
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>>137332930
>>137332985
Hadn't really considered that. Equivalent exchange I guess.

I just.. have this image of a whole "era" set in St. Luke's University. We see it a lot like we see UNIT headquarters or the Powell Estate. Having groundedness or an "HQ" is comfy to me. Could've focused more on making 12 the "lecturer" Doctor, the teacher Doctor.
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>>137332784
I wish Series 10's basic concept had been Capaldi's era from the get go. Fuck Coal Hill. Start Series 8 at St. Luke's university. Clara's teaching there, so fuck it, the Doctor decides to get comfy too. He becomes known as the weird old professor who's been there for years but randomly goes AWOL for days, weeks at a time. S8+9 happen pretty much the way they do. Then Series 10 continues at St. Luke's university, except Bill joins the fold, and thus we already have some history of the Doctor living and working there too.
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>>137333392
That would be very comfy. It would be better than Coal Hill shenanigans. Bill trying to get dates. The Doctor schooling some psued lecturers. Nardole could sub in for him.
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>>137333506
Kek I can just imagine 12 being annoyed Clara is too busy as a teacher so he goes back in time so that he’s been there for years
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>>137333392
>>137333506
Would it be interesting to have multiple companions who sometimes switch up:

So imagine Series 8 set at St. Luke's university and Clara is teaching there. Along the way, the Doctor bumps into Nardole and brings him back as a sort of butler / helper. During Series 9, Bill joins the university so some episodes start to feature her more. Some episodes are 12/Clala, some are 12/Clala/Nardole, some are 12/Bill, some are 12/Bill/Nardole? Or would that be too much of a revolving door for one series?
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>>137333621
it would be a mess
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>>137333621
That’s a great idea. That would definitely be like a modern day UNIT with a revolving door of main characters. I like 12’s family of companions probably more than anyone else’s.
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>>137333590
Clara: By the way, I got the job!
Doctor: Job? You never mentioned an interview?
Clara: Yeah, St. Luke's. I start on Monday. Nice place.

>CUT TO: St. Luke's University
>Clara's first day
>Walks into what she believes is her office
>12 is sat at the desk, TARDIS in the corner

Clara: Oi, get out. This is my job, my office.
Doctor: Is it? You need a new assistant cos the sign on the door spelt your name wrong.

>The sign says JOHN SMITH

Clara: I don't have an assistant.

>Nardole walks in.

Clara: Sorry, have I missed something?
Nardole: Yeah, about 50 years.
Doctor: This is my office, has been for the last few decades. I believe yours is across the hall.
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>>137333700
It could kind of work. It sounds overly complicated in anon's post but it's effectively a set of 3 companions, sometimes the episodes focus on one of the girls, sometimes they focus on the other. Thematically though it would weaken the 12/Clara journey, if there was another companion in the mix I think
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this setup would spare us that episode with courtney woods aboard the tardis and the other one with the annoying coal hill kids and the entire planet covered by a forest
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>>137333742
A post on /who/ knocked up in a few minutes is unironically better than anything Chibnall has written for the TV show in the last 2 series, kek
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Sorry, lads, I'm only done now. Should I post now? Because it'll likely go into the next thread that will likely die, and plenty anons already left.

Now, or double reviews tomorrow?
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>>137333841
Post tonight, might lift the thread a bit, we can always repost tomorrow for comfy chat too?
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>>137333841
Post here then tomorrow binge
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LISTEN - first thoughts

Clara's terrible attempts at dating are intermingled with the Doctor's investigations about primal fear, and something really strange ends up happening.

12 is alone in the TARDIS, maddeningly obsessive about something, talking aloud about evolution creating life forms that can hunt perfectly, life forms that can defend themselves perfectly, and maybe even life forms that can hide perfectly. But how could you even detect a creature that hides perfectly? What would that type of creature even be like, what would it want? And why is 12 so nervous, talking aloud, why does it seem like he's not actually alone?

Clara is moping because she's terrible at dating, even though the show is trying its absolute best to force her onto Danny Pink in record time. I was wrong about Danny, I thought he was going to be completely unlikable and that I'd loathe him for getting in between the main characters, but he's just a regular dude, I don't really have anything to criticize him for here. If anything, Clara comes off as mouthy, bipolar and rude, she can't stop herself from fixating on Danny's past as a former soldier, but she gets massively triggered if he makes any assumptions about her. Date failure #1.

12's remarks about Clara's appearance and about hiding in the bedroom because it's the one place she'd never bring her date is hilarious to me, even though you can tell it's probably his version of friendly banter (does she know that, though?). Anyway, he brings her aboard the TARDIS (despite her not really want to come aboard right now, expecting a phone call from Danny) and tells her of his obsessive theory about a nightmare every person's had, a night full of fear, with something under your bed grabbing your foot when you try to stand up. Clara admits to having the same dream, though 12 doesn't say if the same is true for him.
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The episode asks constant questions about why everybody is instinctively afraid of the dark, or afraid of the unknown, or why inexplicable things happen, and suggests a supernatural or alien origin to this, as opposed to the rationalization some people do. Throughout most of the episode, it's Clara trying to be the rational one, always looking for a plausible and mundane explanation, while 12's feverish thirst for knowledge makes him believe it's sinister or alien.

They link the TARDIS flight controls to Clara's thoughts to focus on the nightmare, but she's distracted by thoughts of Danny because her phone starts ringing. However, 12 says the time zone isn't wrong so it's fine. They decide to investigate the destination, a children's home with a scared young boy called Rupert Pink who's had the dream, but he also looks startlingly like a young Danny Pink (they really found a fitting child actor). He shares Danny's mannerisms and likes the name Dan, thinking of changing his own name. What I don't get is why, at this point, Clara doesn't put two and two together and tell 12 they have to get hell out of there, because they missed the destination and they're fucking with someone else's personal timeline? Is she that curious and reckless, or just didn't see the warning signs? I don't know, maybe hindsight makes me more aware.

Clara enters little Rupert's room and tries to comfort him, hiding under the bed with him to prove there's nothing there and nothing to be afraid of, but the moment when the bed suddenly creaks and the mattress sags is fucking KINO. I think the horror element in this story is the best scary stuff Moffat has done in nuWho, or maybe the producers should take credit for that. Who knew you could make a small lump under a bedspread seem incredibly intimidating?
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12 distracts Rupert from whatever is under the bedspread by explaining that fear is good, I like that, he doesn't bullshit the kid with platitudes, he tells him that fear produces adrenaline and triggers survival instincts, that it's a superpower that lets humans react to danger, and only losers are never scared. However, this quickly evolves into 12 nervously ordering Rupert and Clara to turn their backs on the creature, so it would leave them alone and not do something terrible to them.

Was Rupert's bedspread really stolen by a kid who just wanted to fuck with everyone or wanted a blanket, or was it something else? Because there's a frame, a very brief and unfocused one, when the thing under the bedspread is shown behind Clara, and it REALLY does not look human, it's rather scary-looking, though the real fright comes from not seeing it and not being able to turn around, while just knowing it's there and that it can do something to you. Great scene.

12 puts Rupert to sleep through hypnosis, and scrambles his memory, making him think he's "Dan the soldier man", and Clara is horrified when she realizes Rupert = Danny. However, she then asks 12 to time travel so she can continue the date with Danny. Can someone explain to me why this revelation makes her ask 12 to bring her back to the restaurant and continue the date? I'd like to think I'm not socially autistic, just autistic when it comes to fiction, but why would the realization that she just fucked with a small child's brain make her want to go and date the adult version even though it went wrong initially?
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Anyway, Clara's second chance at dating life. Danny accepts her apology, he's a very patient guy, and we go back to the episode trying its absolute hardest to make them a romantic couple through bad flirting and by making marriage jokes. Clara fucks it up again, calling him Rupert accidentally and tangling herself in a web of autistic lies. Danny asks for an explanation about how she knows but she spazzes out, and he leaves because her behavior is fucking weird and he doesn't do weird or dine with liars, he can't stand liars. Quite reasonable, to be honest, and a man in the space suit (seemingly 12) enters the restaurant and beckons Clara into the TARDIS as she fails to stop Danny from leaving by saying her life's not weird, hearty kek there. Date failure #2.

Instead of being mad at her own autism, she gets mad at 12 and asks if he can make things any worse, but it turns out he can, because the man in the suit is someone who looks startlingly like Danny, but is actually a pioneer time traveler from about 100 years in the future that has something to do with her timeline. The mindfuck factor is real, we meet two different Ruperts and his descendant who looks almost exactly like him. 12 found Orson on a base at the end of the universe, the last planet left, with the pioneer being the only creature there, accidentally so due to faulty time travel. 12 and Clara pretend that the TARDIS needs to recharge, though. 12 wants to stay there for one night, something which terrifies Orson, he believes there's something out there. 12 is darkly satisfied, finally he's about to find out what's under the bed. He wants to know what these creatures would do when everyone is gone, when there's nobody left but him. He HAS to know.
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After Orson gives Clara a weaponless soldier figurine (a family heirloom of his, family of time travellers, yes we get it Moffat), she and 12 spend the night outside the TARDIS, within the base of the last planet. What the FUCK did Clara mean by that accent and mood lighting statement? The sounds of metal creaking, strange screech-like noises being heardr, and banging on the door is nerve-wracking. Is there really something out there? 12 starts opening the gates to see who's knocking, and Clara's ever-present bravado cracks, she gets frightened and tries to drag 12 back into the TARDIS to safety, but he shouts her down and tells her to do as she is told. This is the second time he orders her back to the TARDIS in the episode, he's okay with putting himself in danger but he's not willing to expose her to it. She gets mad at him, though I'm not sure whether it's because she doesn't like being ordered or because he's exposing himself to danger without her by his side. I think it's both.

Of course we don't see what happens, the air shell breaks before we can be sure what 12 saw. He gets hurt by some of the debris (or something hitting him in the head?) and is knocked unconscious and brought on board by Orson, and the TARDIS soon starts ringing the Cloister Bell, maybe because the base around it is falling apart, or maybe because there's something out there violently shaking the ship. Clara scrambles to improvise a plan, and uses the telepathic circuits again to try and fly everyone to safety. She gets distracted again, of course, this time by thinking about 12, and goes outside alone to find out where she is. Some kind of barn, with a crying child on a bed inside it. Some other people enter the barn, and Clara hides under the kid's bed. The people talk to the boy (who wants to be alone and away from the other kids) and they soon leave. It's not Rupert, and it's not Orson.
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The last sentence Clara hears from them is "he'll never make a Time Lord", after which the boy gets distracted by the sounds coming from the TARDIS. Clara stops him from investigating.

By grabbing his foot from under the bed.

Holy fuck. It's 1, as a kid. It's the apparently the same barn from Day of the Doctor, on Gallifrey. And Clara is the creature from the nightmare, the one 12 is investigating, his dream was reality, and the source of the nightmare was her. Jesus Christ.

Perhaps there was never anything, nothing under the bed, nothing at the end of the universe. 12's feverish desire to find out the truth was perhaps just fueled by a childhood memory/nightmare, by fear of the dark, by fear of... his future companion? Clara tells him not to look at their coordinates and to take off, to do as he's told. What I don't get here is: why? Wouldn't 12 really want Gallifrey's coordinates? Wouldn't this mean he found it? Why does Clara stop him? So he never finds out that SHE was the creature under his bed? Someone explain.

Anyway, Clara comforts the boy, telling him that being scared is okay, that fear can be a superpower. It doesn't have to make you cruel or cowardly, but it can make you kind (cut to Clara attacking 12 with hugs). Fear makes companions of us all, a nice reference, though I do think 1 says the words in a different order. Still, nice touch. She leaves the weaponless soldier figurine there for him, as a memento, and something he'll unconsciously aspire to be.
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Then Clara decides it's time for take #3, and then goes to Danny's home, and they reconcile and kiss after he accepts her apology again, this guy has the patience of a saint. I get that the point of these scenes is that they both have their flaws and insecurities that make them afraid to open up to each other, but honestly it just makes Clara look extremely horny, if you ask me. Does she really have that much of an overwhelming crush for a teacher she's just met, or is she now convinced that having kids with him is her future and is now working to keep the timeline intact? A bit like a self-fulfilling prophecy, does she feel the need to commit to this course because she wants to preserve the timeline or thinks it's unavoidable? Can Danny really be such a meek guy that he's not bothered by the fact she's obviously an extreme weirdo and narcissist? He seems to be too level-headed to be a slave to pure coomer instincts (although I can sympathize completely, that black dress, GOD). My head hurts.

What an odd episode. The locations visited by the characters and the scenes that happen there are pure fucking kino, amazing tone-wise, script-wise, the sound design is unnerving and top tier, and I have absolutely nothing to complain about there. The ambiguous nature of whether there actually is something that is amazingly pulled off, and the tension created by an unseen entity reminds me of Midnight, except I think this is even better at that, the thing that steals the bedspread was great. The music in some of these episodes seems to a lot more subdued and less often used, there have been many scenes that have (positively, in my opinion) been altered in tone because of the lack of music. I approve, honestly. It makes things more serious and earnest sometimes, it works superbly here.
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>>137333988
>However, she then asks 12 to time travel so she can continue the date with Danny. Can someone explain to me why this revelation makes her ask 12 to bring her back to the restaurant and continue the date? I'd like to think I'm not socially autistic, just autistic when it comes to fiction, but why would the realization that she just fucked with a small child's brain make her want to go and date the adult version even though it went wrong initially?
This bit was always a bit weird. Maybe she wanted to go back to make sure they hadn't fucked anything up. The tiniest change can alter the future, so maybe she's desperate to go back to see that he's still "normal" and nothing has changed
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These episodes are all so wildly different from each other, genre-wise, I love the tone in this one, felt really odd for a Doctor Who episode, the mix of horror/supernatural and Doctor Who time travel fuckery functions superbly, I like it enough not to be weirded out by how different it is to the usual show. I loved the atmosphere and tone, honestly, all of the scenes with the actual mystery of the unseen creatures were perfect. The scene with Clara grabbing the boy's foot was incredible, though a bit too self-referential for the show, and Clara's already had an enormous impact on the Doctor's timeline, this pushes that even further. Maybe more time in the episode should have been dedicated to the actual mystery as opposed to the fuckery with Danny and Clara's timeline, but honestly I don't know what else I would add to the mystery, the scenes aboard the TARDIS and the orphanage and the last planet are just the right amount, I fear adding more could have lessened how good those parts were.
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It's hard for to gauge 12 and gauge Clara right now, I think I'll do those separately from the episodes, but I like 12 so far even though he's slightly different than I expected him to be. Clara, like I said before, is much better developed now, and she's not the perfect girl previously displayed as in series 7B, which I think is good. I don't need to like a character as a person to enjoy their role as a character, I think actual drama and adversity between characters only feels genuine when the writer/actor decides that those characters can have faults, be wrong, like real people can. That's definitely the case with Clara now, but I can imagine that someone who dislikes Clara would be put off by these episodes and by the focus on her. I'll get to that in later posts.

Honestly, this would be Waters of Mars tier if the parts about Clara's personal life and the timeline fuckery was slightly more satisfying to me. But my rating, if I was giving it, would be in the high eighties at this moment, probably, I'll think about it some more because it's such a weird episode. Could go up or down a lot after the dust settles.
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In tonight's episode of Doctor Who, The Doctor shits himself at a shadow and Clara sneaks under two young boys beds for nefarious purposes after a date goes wrong.
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>>137334127
>So he never finds out that SHE was the creature under his bed? Someone explain.
Yes.
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Time for my wank like those anons recommended
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Now, here's the part of the episode that I don't really like, and that's the constant clues about Clara having kids with Danny and Orson eventually being one of their descendants. I don't mind if that's the direction the show is going for, even though I expected something different, but it feels extremely rushed, it's episode 4 and we're already seeing Clara's future basically solved and told, and the episode suffocates you with the information about it in a very obvious way, it beats you to death with constant barrages of not very subtle clues and foreshadowing. This is made even worse by the fact that I already have a general idea about whether Clara will have children, and I know that Danny might not be in the picture for long. I know this won't go anywhere, so what's the point? The dating scenes fit in with the rest of the episode, I suppose, but they're almost out of sync with the actual mystery, and I think it could have been handled better.

Pros/cons:
+the mystery about the thing under the bed is top tier
+the huge shift in genre is successful here
+incredible atmosphere and overall feeling to the episode itself
+great production value from every angle
+great acting
+Clara under the bed is kino, the episode overall has a great mindfuck factor
+Clara feels like a much more real person than usual Moffat companions
+Danny isn't as bad as I thought he'd be
-the foreshadowing about Clara's future is extremely heavy-handed and transparent
-Clara's dating life, though necessary for the script to fully work, is awkwardly overfocused on and it's moving far too fast
-small things I don't get (why can't 12 know they landed in the barn, and why does Clara try so hard to fuck Danny despite the clear signs not to)

Your thoughts? Likes/dislikes? Something I missed or didn't judge well? There probably is something I missed, it's hard to think of everything so early after watching, and this is all new to me and hard to analyze.
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>>137334127
>Holy fuck. It's 1, as a kid.
Not anymore thanks to Chris Chinballs :^^) It's the 907th incarnation of the Doctor, who just finished being a black woman.
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>>137334313
- Clara's dating life
Clara's a bit of a mess when it comes to dating, the last guy she had feelings for turned into a Scottish man in his late fifties. That and both her and Danny have crippling autism.
>12 not knowing
I can only assume it's if the Doctor realises Clara just felt him up in the barn then he'll realise that there was nothing to be scared of, and that fear won't drive him to be brave.

I genuinely loved this episode for being the episode equivalent of "WOW, IT'S FUCKING NOTHING" which after many episodes of "What spooky shit can we think of this time" is an amazing subversion of what Moffat usually comes up with.

Your opinions on Clara are solid, and glad to find someone who thinks Danny's a good lad.
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I think Steven also implied the Doctor grew up in an Orphanage too. Maybe his parents died when he was young. Who knows. Shame Chris fucked it to hell.
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>>137334313
>I know this won't go anywhere, so what's the point?
Oh. Yes. You've reminded me that Orson can't exist and makes no sense. Oops. No spoilers beyond that, but... just brush it under the bed, Binge.
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>>137334313
Hey Binge, what would you do if Clara grabbed your legs from under the bed?
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>>137334508
Moffat was always adamant that the first face for the Doctor looked like William Hartnell.
And now... yeah
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>>137334293
Incredibly based, dream of Peri
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Why also change Danny's name to Rupert? Rupert Pink. What the fuck is Steve doing?!

Anyway.

I used to hate that barn scene. I thought it was Steve just making Clala EVEN MORE important to the Doctor, and I hated seeing anything pre-AUC (oh just wait a few more years kid). But hey.

I liked that Steve said this was his first attempt in ages at just writing a pretty normal mid-series episode. He'd mostly done openers and finales til this point. (Had he done a "standard" episode since Time of Angels?)
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>>137334164
>>137334164
>>137334164
>>The music in some of these episodes seems to a lot more subdued and less often used, there have been many scenes that have (positively, in my opinion) been altered in tone because of the lack of music.
makes sense (after the overuse of i am the doctor in previous series) but i really wish series 8 soundtrack was more compelling, the only memorable thing in it is 12's theme and its variations
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>>137334313
My favourite Moffat episode since Blink
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>>137334826
Crazy but true: initially Moffat wanted to keep "I Am The Doctor" for 12 but Gold persuaded him to let him make a new theme.
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>>137334949
Also explains why it pops up in 12's era too. Steven loved it.
>In spite of the track not appearing regularly as incidental music in the Twelfth Doctor era, the song continued to be used as trailer music during the era, as well as brief notes in TV: The Pyramid at the End of the World and was later used in TV: Twice Upon a Time, when the Testimony showed the First and Twelfth Doctors information on themselves.

https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/I_Am_the_Doctor
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>>137334949
I wonder if that's partly why there's still the very basic melody/pattern (I'm not a music person kek) underlying some of 12's theme.
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>>137321845
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J39J_wgY7b8
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Could we get a general consensus on what we all think is the best season of Classic Doctor Who? I'd say the obvious starting points would be Season 7, (Jon Pertwee's first), Season 13/14 (Gothic Horror Tom period), and Season 26, (Sylv's last and where they arguably hit a home run again before the series was cancelled).
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Ouch, tough call. My top seasons would be 1, 2, 12 and 25. Probably not what most would go for though.
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bill's ass would be tasty af
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>>137333961
>that image
imagine hiding under a bed with jenna coleman
if rupert was a teenager that scene would go very differently
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spread martha's ass, tasty
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>>137335794
need me a black gf bros



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