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Now that the dust has settled who was right? RLM or Reddit?
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They're one and the same so....
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>>106867210
RLM isn't r*ddit you piece of crap. Go back NOW.
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>Red letter media dislikes Rogue One
>and thinks TLJ is even remotely OK

I'm convinced they are being unironically paid off by the mouse at this point
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>>106867262
>>and thinks TLJ is even remotely OK

They didn't, the Plinkett review savaged it
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>>106867327

That's the plinkett review, listen to their Half in the bag on it
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>>106867200
based
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>>106867367
So what he is saying is, it would be perfectly fine stuff if they'd were black.
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>>106867144
Jenny, because she hated it.
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>>106867477
that's right Jay
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>>106867550
>alot
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They were in the minority with rogue one. With TLJ is more, "of what's there to say that hasn't already been said?" I too thought they would have a ball savaging it but they were like exasperated.
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>>106867367
>read first tweet
I don't know maybe he's right we do need better criticism-
>read second tweet
2 nukes weren't enough, I welcome a global radioactive winter.
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>>106867602
>people nowhere near as popular as RLM give their opinion

Who cares?
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>>106867534
Nice to have a confirmation to that.
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*jumps on bouncy castle*
Eh nothing personal Plinkett.
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>>106867686
That is awful. What must have happened in his life to make him like this?
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>>106867655
>Who cares?
OP, because he asked if Reddit or RLM were right.
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>they took everything magical about star wars and flushed it down the fucking toilet

mike "ampf" stoklasa knows the score
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>>106867844
butthurt
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>>106867844
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>>106867951
>what every comment boils down to: YOU JUST DON'T GET IT!
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Why is Yodel all goofy and shit?
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>>106867550
the king of cringe
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>>106867550
>alot
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>>106867602
So many people need to be executed to right this world again. Islam can’t come to power quickly enough.
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>>106868136
Remember: this guy wrote directed TLJ
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>>106867686
when will he play Pig-Pen in a live action Peanuts movie?
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I don't know why the neckbeards get excited over this film. It tries to cover a plothole that never existed. Felicity Jones is highly fuckable though.
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>>106867898
>Hoo boy
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>>106867351
To be fair, they reviewed it after just watching and hadn't let it sink in yet. When you first watch it the flashy effects and colors burn bright in your mind but eventually it wears off and you see the shit it was much like a roofie.
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>>106867144
Yeah, Rouge One was bland and had poor characters and functioned more as fan service star wars porn than a fulfilling movie.

A lot of people like to bump it up, especially because of how much worse Episode 8 was, but it's still just a 5/10 movie that needed a better script and editing.
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>>106867686
>that cloud of dust
every time
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>>106867351
>listen to their Half in the bag on it
The half in the bag came out shortly after release. I'm guessing they wanted to be careful about being overly negative in order to allow people a chance to reach their own conclusions. That's kind of the point of half in the bag. It's initial reactions not a detail critique.

For my part, Half in the Bag was a big part of why I didn't see TLJ in the first place. It was easy to read between the lines and pay attention to specific details about what they were saying and see that it was going to be garbage and not worth my time.

Learn to think for yourself and don't get so hung up on whether someone agrees with you about everything.
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>>106867351
They were clearly depressed and couldn't be motivated to rip into it.
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>>106867262
>HITB review on TLJ was 99% negative
>the following 3 or 4 videos that followed the HITB episode went out of their way to make fun of TLJ
>whether it was relevant to the video or not
>later on a Plinkett review comes out that absolutely demolishes TLJ in ways the internet hadn't touched on yet
>idiots on /tv/ are still trying to convince themselves and others that RLM likes TLJ
Just stop, the meme isn't going to stick.
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the fact that people on this board praise Rogue one worries the fuck out of me.
like I just assumed it was shilling at first, but its been like two years at this point.

Rogue one has no characters, the worst pacing I've ever seen in a tent pole film, an awful story. It's one sort of redeeming quality *I guess* is its got reddit cinematography. (not actually good cinematography, but not terrible, however its quality is deceptive and reddit would praise such cinematography)

How can anyone possibly praise this movie? I'm seriously asking. The first hour was so painful I still haven't finished the movie.
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>>106867550
yeah, like an on-point review of a bad movie
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>>106867210
based
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>>106867262
why would Disney pay them to shit on Rogue One?
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>>106869117
Because of the conspiracy theory that claims RLM enjoyed the Disney Star Wars movies
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>>106868988
>How can anyone possibly praise this movie? I'm seriously asking. The first hour was so painful I still haven't finished the movie.
It's the only Disney movie that even really pretends to respect the original setting. That alone goes a long way.
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>>106867550
Funniest shit is this guy and his fans call people manbabies when this nigga looks like a damn baby
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>>106868988
Fully agreed. Its mostly shit with some decent qualities (mostly worldbuilding). Having NO characters is just absurd and something everyone looks past
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The didn't simply dislike Rogue One, they savaged it.

Then they give a pass to TFA and TLJ. I don't get it.
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>>106868988
I've literally attempted to watch R1 three times and I zone out every time. It is painfully dull, even with RLM commentary. As a movie it works even worse than TLJ, though it pisses you off less.
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>>106869345
They reamed TLJ. Shut the fuck up
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>>106867144
Rogue One was complete trash, so I guess that makes RLM correct
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>>106868988
it's the only nu-wars movie that is shot like an actual movie, which makes it the least worst but I still wouldn't define it as good
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why don't we trash them for what they actually did wrong which was praise TFA.

TFA was basically a piece of white bread with penaut butter on it. It doesn't taste *terrible* exactly but its sort of hard to eat and you'd really prefer something better.

If I recall right Mike even called "everything I hoped it would be" which is just fucking sad. A 40 year old man enjoyed that movie lmao
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>>106869479
I addressed its reddit cinematography.
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>>106868888
Quads of infinite truth
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>>106869426
Rude.
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>>106867367
>cishet
Ok, what?
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>>106867367
>refers to himself as a cinephile while watching disney's star wars
its beautiful. its like a troll post I would write to start a thread..
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>>106869527
Yeah. They made that HITB literally minutes after returning from seeing the film in the theatre. Obviously they (Mike in particular) were sucking in by the hype of a new Star Wars movie, and just the fact that it was nothing like the prequels was enough for him. I think if they reviewed TFA now for the first time they would rightly say how shit it is.
That's true for a lot of people: they used to like TFA but have since come to realize it is garbage.
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>>106869781
yeah I got the strong impression that their reaction to TFA was very much a counterpoint to the prequels. Because TFA definitely avoided many or most of the prequel mistakes.
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>>106869345
I'm watchin the hitb review again and it's pretty savage if you look past the moderately polite demeanor. A lot of the 'complements' are obviously backhanded or sarcastic.
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>>106867144
Why did he shill for TFA?
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>>106869957
>Because TFA definitely avoided many or most of the prequel mistakes.

Sure, on a surface level.
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>>106869957
>Because TFA definitely avoided many or most of the prequel mistakes.
What
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>>106868988
>Rogue one has no characters, the worst pacing I've ever seen in a tent pole film, an awful story.
So at bare minimum its as good as the prequels?
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>>106869957
He’s really bad with giving free passes to TFA. Take their similarities. Most unbiased viewers, upon observing this similarity, would briefly note the similarity and move on. This level of nitpicking is basically a post-hoc rebuttal of the PT; they're not mad at the PT because of these things, they're mad at these things because it's the PT.

If Plinkett's so mad that they're copying these little flairs, he should fly into a rage at TFA's blatant plagiarism of entire thematic elements and plot points (like everything to do with Starkiller Base, or how Abrams basically reset the entire outcome of the OT to be able to have a brave Resistance again.)
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>>106869957
>prequel mistakes
Except possibly for the characters being boring (which is subjective), every single criticism they made applies equally as much to TFA, which Plinkett (and Mike) admits he liked. Including but not limited to:

>drawing too much on the imagery of the OT instead of doing anything new
>copious amounts of CGI even when it would not be necessary
>a poorly-constructed plot that requires supplemental material to understand even the most points
>excessive action that has no weight, making the heroes look invincible and the villains look like dunces
>heavy insertion of bizarre comedy (usually slapstick) into, or between, heavy dramatic scenes, resulting in inconsistent tone
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>>106870144
TFA is far worse than the prequels and guilty of many of the same things and more.

But superficially TFA avoided many of the seeming fitfalls of the prequels:
It's not a prequel, so we don't already know the story
No child main character
No Jar Jar
No "boring space politics"
"Practical effects" (lol)

To me it looks like the corporate executives realized everyone loves the Plinkett reviews and literally used them as a guide for what not to do in the sequels (JJ Abrams directing? I mean come on, Plinkett even says he would be great for the job). But of course they have no understanding of film or Star Wars and it turned out even worse.
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>>106868988
>Rogue one has no characters,

So you're like the typical dumb American that needs to relate or like characters to play make believe?
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>>106870507
So you don't disagree with his criticism, just that it doesn't matter?
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>>106870507
pretty sure Rogue One was made with that audience as a target demographic
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>>106867550
I legit cringed.
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>>106870495
I wonder if Mike will regret what he said in >>106867200
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>>106870321
>Except possibly for the characters being boring
No that actually gets right to one of the biggest flaws in all of the prequels which is not a problem in TFA, which is the acting direction and basic scene construction.

"Boring" might be subjective but "lack of dramatic tension" is not. Prequels were full of flat scenes involving characters just reciting dialog in some rather bland environment where nothing else is happening. And the dialog itself often had no emotion or any kind of dramatic effect. TFA did not have this problem. Dialog scenes were dramatic, well-acted, and well-constructed (and no I'm not just talking about fucking cinematography).

I realize there are a lot of autistic prequelfags who can't recognize how flat some of the shit dialog is in those movies, but it's a huge difference between TFA and the prequels.
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>>106870507
ok retard explain how Rogue One is a good movie despite having dumb and shallow characters.
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I'm not a violent person, but every time I see RJ, I want to punch his lights out. Just the way he looks and acts pisses me off.
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>>106870495
Exactly.
From a scene to scene perspective, I would say both Abrams and even Rian Johnson did as well or better than Lucas in many respects. The problems come from the shit writing and a failure to understand the appeal of Star Wars(at all in Rian's case, and beyond a superficial nostalgia level for JJ). The Rey vs. Kylo lightsaber fight would have a great scene for the second or third movie. The scene itself wasn't bad out of context. It's just retarded in context. Rey fixing the Millennium Falcon is stupid because Rey shouldn't be able to do that, but the scene flows like it's supposed to and isn't awkward. Many sequel scenes are like this. Fine on a technical level but braindead when you look at how it all fits together.
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RLM in that Rogue One was shit, but they also looked retarded by trying to explain why they praised TFA so much and how it was different from their big criticisms about RO.
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>>106871704
Yeah so when you watch it for the first time, your brain thinks "hey yeah this looks good" but it's only later when you think back over it that you go "wait a minute that was retarded"
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>>106867144
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>>106867578
ive always spelled it that way. I always thought it was the right way.

Mandella effect?
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>>106867686
This is nice. RJ seems like a very innocent, kind person. When you listen to his interviews he comes across as simple and energetic, sort of like a little kid. Clips like this really show it...regardless of what you think of his directing, he has a pure soul and a sense of childlike wonder that is a joy to watch
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>>106867144
It’s the best Disney Star Wars film, no question
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>>106867602
I get liking The Force Awakens, but man, most of TLJ was bad. No need to be in a echo chamber about it.
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Rogue One is behind ESB and ANH but I rather watch that than RotJ.
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>>106874108
Ewoks trigger you that much?
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I just didn’t think their criticism of Rogue One was very good
They were bitching about the Empire using the same ships as the Empire used in other films taking place at around the same time
Yeah it sells toys but it also would make less sense for the Empire to change all their vehicles every couple of years.
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>>106867144
"Daisy Ridley was charismatic as hell in TFA"
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Rogue one is the worst star wars movie ever made
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>>106867367
>cishet
>het
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>>106871229
>some rather bland environment
Not that guy but compared to not!Tatooine & not!Hoth?
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>>106870495
>Practical effects
Jesus Christ, how did they get away with this one? They had less than half the practical effects of any prequel.
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>>106867200
When did you realize that Mike Stoklasa was absolutely wrong about absolutely everything?

Retard answer- After his TFA review.
Slightly slow but not quite drooling answer- after getting tricked by the Plinkett reviews and then over time realizing that Mike was just an asshurt nostalgiababby that framed opinions as facts and namedropped famous movies like Citizen Kane to sound smart.
Real nigga answer- At the part of the TPM review where Mike acts like Midichlorians demystify the force.

P.S.
George was the common element of the OT.
Kasdan and Kershner were not involved with ANH.
The Hyucks were not involved with ESB.
Kasdan was never good as evidenced by TFA. George was carrying Kasdan's dead weight.
George had no co director on the set of ANH.
Joe Johnston has said that ESB is "more of a Lucas film than a Kershner film".

etc etc etc
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>>106868988
the third act has a lot of action and fanservice and pretty much saves the movie
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>>106875669
>Kasdan was never good as evidenced by TFA. George was carrying Kasdan's dead weight.

FINALLY someone else realises it. TFA and Solo prove that Kasdan has never been anything other than a mediocre screenwriter who just happened to be surrounded by the right people in the 80's.

Solo was supposed to be his passion project that he's wanted to write for years. Really? That's the movie you're cashing all your chips in on?

People bought into the anti-Lucas circlejerk so much they forgot that he was the reason Star Wars was successful in the first place. It wasn't Kasdan, or Gary Kurtz or Marcia Lucas or anyone else. That's why the Disney era has been struggling so much.
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>>106875669
It's worse than that. Mike built his career on hating the prequels and blaming Lucas for them, even going as far as to claim that Lucas wasn't responsible for anything good about the original trilogy. He also said JJ Abrams should direct Star Wars. Well, his wish came true, Lucas left, and Abrams was hired, and they made a bad Star Wars movie. In fact, the sequels are easily arguably worse than the prequels. But could Mike admit that? No. He's not man enough to stand up and admit when he was wrong. So now he's stuck with these shitty sequels he has to begrudgingly pretend to enjoy and defend. In fact, he's partly responsible for the shit state Star Wars is in. No wonder the guy is so depressed lately and basically a shell of himself. His life is a lie.
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>>106875781
This
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>>106875781
I miss him
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>>106869345
Almost right, they were not kind on TLJ.
Nonetheless, waaay to easy on TFA.
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>>106876081
Way too easy. Way too much Ring Theory. Barely talked about TFA.
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>>106876189
The Plinkett review was such a joke...
Thank god we have E;R
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>>106876369
E;R is an accidentally right cringy idiot that is so pathetic he shills himself here.
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>>106875781
I think it’s hard for people to accept that someone was once talented and with time and age simply can’t recreate that success
Lucas was fucking worshipped for like two decades until the prequels
It’s harder to accept that maybe the guy who created the thing you love simply wasn’t able to create more after a certain point, so you look for an alternative explanation of who provided the magic of what you loved and hope they can come back to do the same
The real truth is Lucas as a younger man was able to pull together a weird space opera nobody thought would be successful and went on a streak of highly successful films
At the same time he always had strange ideas that while creative would translate poorly into film without a massive amount of work, work that he didn’t feel was needed or wasn’t able to do later
Regardless of that, the prequels were not an absolute failure. I watched them as a kid and liked them just as much as the other movies, my only issue was not understanding the plot of the first one that much. But that never bothered me too much. I grew up and could see what people were complaining about and say objectively the first trilogy was better, but I never hated them. I’m certain plenty of other people felt the same way.
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>>106876413
he's clearly not an idiot
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>>106875781
>People bought into the anti-Lucas circlejerk
totally irrelevant either way, the prequels still are still nowhere close to as good as the originals in most respects.
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>>106876535
Struck a nerve, ER?
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>>106876189
I always found the review super bizarre. It’s obvious he wanted to defend his assessment of the prequels, and didn’t want to savage a work that was literally catered to his preferences.
But it ruins the quality of a Plinkett review, because it’s supposed to be a brutal take down of every part of the film by an insane sociopath of a critic who is also supposed to be awful and pathetic. No part of a plinkett review should be soft in its approach, and it certainly shouldn’t go on and on about a fan theory that has no consequence beyond some people not agreeing with you.
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>>106876071
Kasdan praise is a side-effect of Lucas hate.

People often tried to discredit Lucas by putting all of his success onto others.

Like one video that claimed TCW was only good because Filoni and the team ignored/hated the Prequels, which as everyone here knows is utter bullshit.

The other big ones are Lucas's first wife, and Lawrence Kasdan, who are often cited as "saving" ANH and ESB, despite not actually contributing nearly as much as everyone thinks.
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>>106876535
shut up an finish your Death Note review.
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>>106876691
>and it certainly shouldn’t go on and on about a fan theory that has no consequence beyond some people not agreeing with you.
>TFA review
>devotes half to the prequels
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>>106876535
So blatant, even in few posts above.
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>>106876582
He should have contained his autism by just making Anakin Luke’s age in the first film and made the Clone Wars the central conflict of the trilogy
Instead he felt the need to explain the origins of everything
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>>106876691
The Plinkett review of TLJ was also way too nice.
I guess it was too hard for Stoklasa to come up with something original when E;R and MauLer have done most of the job and faster.
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>>106876691
To me, it's laughable. I mean, who the hell brought up prequels? What prompted to have so much of that video be focused on non-Force Awakens material? Jesus, did he have THAT little to say about Force Awakens that he felt the need to pad out?

The worst part is that one of the articles he cited happened to have a video response saying he was cited out of context. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5cNP80MVBM So it goes to show that they didn't even put any effort with their citations. What was the point of it all?
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>>106876869
The thing about RLM's reviews is that they are extremely fallacious and emotion-based. I've done something that most people, including RLM's own supporters, haven't done. I watched his entire TPM review from end to end, and actually fact checked him. Almost the entirety of his review is based on the fabrication of false problems, the omission of facts, or even lies.

This is a guy who claimed that the Jedi had no reason to think that the Trade Federation was invading Naboo, after being attacked themselves and seeing the invasion force land. Who spent the better part of two minutes whining about how R2-D2's repairs were useless, because the Naboo Royal Ship wasn't hit with lasers (his own video clips show that to be false- why else was R2 working on it?). Who criticizes the Jedi's tactics, even though his own suggestion, and I quote, was to run into a docking bay full of thousands of battle droids and "just start fighting all of them" (a minute after they were unable to defeat just two Droidekas). Who argues that Qui-Gon is an idiot who completely forgot his objective of helping the Naboo, because Qui-Gon decided to seek help from the Gungans along the way (apparently it would've been smarter to walk through miles of enemy-occupied forests on foot).

Yes, he actually says all of those things. It's that's surreal. If you read all of that and wondered how any of it even matters to the plot of the movie, you're not alone. That most of RLM's arguments are plainly wrong is just the half of it. The guy doesn't even spend most of his time talking about the movie's story, or anything that matters. He literally goes around selecting little pieces of nothing, which should be utterly noncontroversial because there's simply no issue to discuss, and fabricates his own made-up problem about it.
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>>106876906
I don't like those reviews - they use comedy and delivery to pad out what are often pretty shallow points or nothing more than restating the premise.
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>>106876835
Plinkett approaches a fundamental problem - the comedy of error structure.
That approach is immune to genuine nitpicking or sexist or whatever accusations.
Mailer approaches basic drug but is exhaustive .
Ignore E;R. Edgelord that does not want to be linked.
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>>106876957
Mauler approaches basic stuff
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I have kinda lost respect for them for not criticizing the sequels more. The perquels were pretty bad, sure, but they had heart and that Lucas charm. It's sort of funny how they rip on the prequels for being fanboy fodder when that's the extent of the enjoy-ability of the new films
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if you like any of the star wars sequel movies you're a fucking pathetic manchild
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>>106869527
TFA played it very safe and knew to take zero crazy twists with it characters. Also, expectations were pretty low for TFA since the prequels did crush lots of star wars hype.
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>>106876835
I've been really disappointed with MauLer since the TLJ review. The "unbridled rage" TLJ video was a funny summary opinion that really came off as an emotional reaction to the movie. Now he seems to be forcing that style which comes off as fake and leads to missing the mark on review content.
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>>106867144
When they liked TFA, which is a soulless, bland, corporate rehash and gave this shit I gave up on RLM. Yeah this film sucks too but its what fans of the EU like myself wanted
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>>106875669
>Real nigga answer- At the part of the TPM review where Mike acts like Midichlorians demystify the force.
This. It's still the same space magic used by a bunch of old men with glowsticks.
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>>106870495
Most accurate description. Even Simon Pegg was big fan of plinkett, I wouldn't be surprised if he showed JJ the videos and it influenced him.

Mike being the pathetic manchild he is simply liked TFA because it did the opposite of the Prequels on a surface level but ignored all the other dumb if not worse shit, because he genuinely hates the prequels that much. It's comical.
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>>106877473
I still think that JJ got to direct Disney Wars because of Stoklasa and his Plinkett reviews. Mike made a video once saying how great it was that Disney bought LucasFilm and that JJ should be the one to direct the new movies.
Maybe that's why Mike drinks a lot.
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>>106871755
Pretty much. I'm not a RO fan but it was retarded when they were complaining about cheap fan service/nostalgia being their biggest gripe, which in RO is only a few quick scenes you can ignore, but excused TFA even though the film requires you to bite onto the nostalgia bait to be enjoyed or else it all falls apart.
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>>106875669
Based, fuck RLM history revisionists.
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>>106867210
/thread
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>>106877617
>I still think that JJ got to direct Disney Wars because of Stoklasa and his Plinkett reviews
Imagine thinking something this autistic and actually expressing that autistic thought to others publicly
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>>106869648
The n-word but applied to white people.
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>>106867200
I don't get the hate for this

JJ was unironically a good choice for nuWars

First one was a soft reboot to revive the franchise, clearly a marketing decision rather than a creative one. So he made a decent movie with that structure, it was fine.

TFA was the brainchild of Rian, not sure how JJ is at fault for all those subverted expectations
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>>106867144
Stoklasa was right again
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>>106877885
YEA has the same major problems of TLJ. Just better choreography and worse cinematography.
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>mfw i remember the brainlet x-redditors here sucking the cock of J.J. Abrams and calling contrarian anyone who didn't like his hack job
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>>106877885
Because JJ is dull and unimaginative.

TFA made the OT completely pointless. SW didn't need a reboot.
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>>106878142
I never liked his mystery box style. When it came time to open the box up, whatever's inside never lives up to the hype.
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>>106878209
https://youtu.be/ySGMnmiqlss
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>>106877885
>First one was a soft reboot to revive the franchise
Star Wars didn't need a reboot, though, soft or hard. All it needed to revive the franchise was to put out a good movie that continued the story. You had 2-3 generations of fans that all wanted to see that. It's not like Star Trek, which had been run into the ground with series and spinoffs. It's not like a superhero story where you need that specific character. All Star Wars needed were some interesting new characters and a new Hero's Journey Space Adventure.

>So he made a decent movie with that structure, it was fine.
No it wasn't, that's the problem. It was good enough as a standalone film and had enough smoke and mirrors to trick people into enjoying it on the first viewing, but as any kind of a start to a new substantial story it was absolutely terrible.

In fact he specifically fucked up the story in respect to the supposed structure. Everything about A New Hope that made it a perfect springboard 2 great sequels failed in TFA.
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>>106875669
Midichlorians dont demystify the force in theory but how they were presented in TPM does. They're moths to a flame I know but TPM didnt do a good enough job presenting that.

I agree with everything else though. I find it hilarious the amount of people who spent 20 years hating on George Lucas and Lucas alone to the extent of even negating his involvement in the good star wars movies (like Mike) are too shit scared to point the finger at KK for the mess the franchise has become.

In fact I've seen faggots here STILL blame Lucas for the sequels because he sold it to disney
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>>106868536
If you need time to process a film with flashy lights before you can tell whether its shit or not then you're fucking retarded
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>>106867550
I've not heard Johnson making a cunt of himself recently. Has Disney finally told him to knock it off or has he just naturally faded into obscurity?
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>>106878552
Personally, I think Lucas deserves lots of credit for what he’s done. He’s pushed lots of technology forward and pioneered lots in film-making. I don’t always agree with him but he’s a man of vision and a massive boner for going forward technology-wise.
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>>106878490
>>106877885
>JJ was unironically a good choice for nuWars
Anyway, I will say that unnecessary reboot aside, JJ could have directed a good Star Wars movie for someone other than Kathleen Kennedy. If he had a good story, a good script, and someone to shoot down dumb ideas like a Planet-sized Death Star then TFA could have been at least decent.
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>>106875781
Transcript from a story meeting with George Lucas and writer Larry Kasdan, in which George criticized Kasdan for wanting to turn Luke evil and have him wear Vader's helmet before being killed off.

>Kasdan: That's what I think should happen.

>Lucas: No, no, no. Come on, this is for kids.

>Kasdan: I think you should kill Luke and have Leia take over.

>Lucas: You don't want to kill Luke.

>Kasdan: Okay, then kill Yoda.

>Lucas: I don't want to kill Yoda. You don't have to kill people. You're a producer of the 1980s. You don't go around killing people. It's not nice.

>Kasdan: No, I'm not. I'm trying to give the story some kind of an edge to it.

>Lucas: I know, you're trying to make it more realistic, which is what I tried to do when I killed Ben -- but I managed to take the edge off of it -- and when I froze Han. But this is the end of the trilogy and we've already established that there are real dangers. I don't think we have to kill anyone to prove it.

>Kasdan: No-one has been hurt.

>Lucas: Ben and Han, they've both... Luke got his hand cut off.

>Kasdan: Ben and Han are fine. Luke got a new hand two cuts later.

>Lucas: By killing sombebody, I think you alienate the audience.

>Kasdan: I'm saying that the movie has more emotional weight if someone you love is lost; the journey has more impact.

>Lucas: I don't like that and I don't believe that... I have always hated that in movies when one of the main characters gets killed. This is a fairy tale. You want everybody to live happily ever after and nothing bad happens to anybody.

http://norewardisworththis.tumblr.com/post/130233277997/kasdan-i-think-you-should-kill-luke-and-have-leia
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>>106877885
Isn't he the one who fucked the casting?
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i get the same feeling, anon. same with pic related.
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>>106876505
Y'know, I'd say the prequels were successes in many ways. The technologies pioneered, the merchandise sold, just look at https://www.irishtimes.com/business/parents-to-feel-the-force-as-marketing-campaign-for-star-wars-takes-off-1.1258625 & https://www.nytimes.com/1999/05/14/business/media-business-advertising-hype-with-us-lucas-empire-invading-resistance-futile.html

I don't know if anyone lost money with these deals. Lucas got lots of money from those deals, merchandising was sold, it's funny how people nowadays are talking about Star Wars toys not selling when decades ago, Lucas was successfully doing exactly what Disney's failing to do.
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>>106867144
RLM embarrassed themselves so badly in regards to Rogue One that I can barely force myself to watch them since.
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>>106878142
it'd be like rebooting Coca Cola
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>>106879284
>choose your character
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>>106867144
rich evans is always right, always
he says rogue one bad, rogue one bad
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>>106879309
They made multiple damage control videos for it. It's hilarious how they have to.
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>>106867630
For one, we don't "need" better criticism
For two, there are a billion other critics out there, go listen to them. Let me have mine the way I like them, honest and cynical
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>>106867550
a lot is two separate words you hackfraud
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>>106872507
Like many Hollywood stars he was likely abused as a child which rooted him permanently in his childhood. It's a great advantage for making art but I'm sure it fucks you up in other places
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>>106876071
if he's so great, why did episodes 1, 2, 3, and 6 suck? 4 was pretty cute, 5 wasn't actively bad it just wasn't actively good
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>>106876835
Mike had years of thinking and stewing and preparation for his prequel reviews, it mattered to him because he was younger and didn't have more in his life. Doing those reviews was catharsis and left him with no love or passion for star wars anymore, it's all out of him. Of course the "new" reviews are going to be worse, it's emulating his style, it's not just making a review
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>>106879337
They tried it and it did as well as you would imagine.

>>106879884
He had nobody to push back against his ideas, which would make them stronger.
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>>106867273
>>106867367
I don't get where this mentality that RLM is "too negative" comes from. They can be cynical about the movie industry and big budget Hoolywood movies, but generally speaking they don't go out of their way to watch things they know they'll hate and they enjoy a lot of what they review.

It's almost as if these people only ever watch RLM content relating to whatever Disney product is in theaters this week because it's all they know or care about.
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they were right about rogue one, wrong about TFA. they basically called rogue one a "fan service" film when that was exactly what TFA was.
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>>106867144
Rogue One fucking sucks and RLM are usually right to the point where they actively profit off of seething autists.
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>>106877768
Sounds like you're doing damage control
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>>106878490
>you only enjoyed TFA because of "smoke and mirrors"
>nobody exists who enjoys TFA
>movie is literally the 3rd highest grossing film on the planet
>"you were tricked into liking it'
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>>106880085
>fucking sucks
heh i get it. simpsons 4 lyfe
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>>106880085
But RLM were the seething autists about that movie. Literally seething.
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>>106880173
What?
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>>106879884
That has more to do with your bad taste than anything Lucas did
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>>106880182
>post a Half in the Bag about the newest Star Wars spinoff film, as a comedy review channel known for literally mocking Star Wars films is ought to do
>Give their adult opinion and think it's garbage
>instantly causes manchildren to fucking seethe
>"n-n-n-o...you are mad!"
kill yourself.
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>>106880213
Nice try, I saw the original trilogy when I was 10 right before Episode One came out. Take off your nostalgia goggles, if they're noticeably bad to a kid then they should be noticeably bad to you.
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>>106880230
>spend five fucking weeks making "w-why aren't you agreeing with us, we said it's bad!" videos
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>>106880279
Except that literally didn't happen, redditor. What happened was that a bunch of retards didn't like their opinion so they made fun of you, which made you seethe more.
>getting asshurt that some boomers on Youtube didn't like your boring Disney Wars spinoff film about the fucking Death Star
imagine...still being mad...years later...
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>>106867686
Can you explain? What the FUCK is going on? I'm actually concerned.
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>>106880273
You still have a 10-year-old mindset? I guess it explains your bad taste.
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>>106880340
>if i don't say why they're good, i'll surely prove they're good!
dipshit fantasy sci-fi loving piece of trash
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Solo > TLJ > TFA > Rogue 1
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>>106880369
YIKES.
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>>106880362
Way to prove you don't act like a 10-year-old by acting like a 10-year-old.
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>>106880315

it LITERALLY happened unless you'd like to claim their multiple damage control videos, that are right there on their channel, don't exist
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>>106867144
Rogue One is trash if that is what you’re asking
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>>106880315
>imagine...still being mad...years later...

I guess he can by imagining being someone angrily defending RLM years later.
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>>106880413
>i-i-i-it was...d-d-d-d-amage control! I'm not crying!
There aren't "damage control" videos you absolutely seething underage faggot. They double downed on mocking people just like you and somehow you've twisted the narrative in a way to make yourself look a bit less pathetic but still crying about someone's opinions about basically Disney capeshit-tier media.
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>>106880420
I think he's asking if it's less trash than TFA.
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>>106880434
>RLM need to be "defended" despite literally doing nothing wrong
Next to Whovians and Homestuckers, SW fans are fucking entitled cancer-spreading faggots.
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>>106880381
he's right.

reddit one doesn't even feel like a movie. It's like video game cutscenes edited together.
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>>106880488
Says the RLM fanboy
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>5 wasn't actively bad it just wasn't actively good
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>>106880514
Yeah, I do enjoy their content. I'm sorry things I like offend your reddit sensibilities.
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>>106880511
>Solo
>better than TFA
imagine being this wrong.
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>>106880535
He admitted he's an alleged adult with the mentality of a 10 year old, what'd you expect?
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>>106880536
>likes RLM
>uses reddit as an insult

Ironic
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RLM was correct on Rogue One, Hacked Fraud Media covered it in more autistic detail and MauLer went over TLJ with a fine tooth comb.
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>>106880599
>liking RLM is bad because I want /tv/ points
>RLM is "rebbit" despite rebbit throwing autistic bitch fits every time Mike says something they don't like about Star Wars
Sure, kid.
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>>106880566
why watch tfa when you can just watch the first star wars.
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>TFA - it was everything I hoped it would be and more *wipes tears out of eyes*
>R1 - hurr durr it bad because da x-wing and AT-AT are there
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>Reddit Leddit Memeia
>Kike Cuckolsa
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>>106880679
You're right. But that wasn't the argument. The argument was "Solo is a better made film than TFA", which is so laughably retarded that it hurts my brain.
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>>106877885
>First one was a soft reboot to revive the franchise, clearly a marketing decision rather than a creative one.
And that was the first mistake. It's episode 7, a SEQUEL. You can revive a franchise by making a good film but JJ didn't do either so the franchise is already dying.
>So he made a decent movie with that structure, it was fine.
OH NO NO NO NO NO
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>>106880689
>SEETHING STILL
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>>106880145
Yes.
Are you nitpicking semantics or do I need to fucking break it down again for a new crowd of brainlets?

>TFA milked nostalgia like crazy
The movie was loaded with callbacks and references, the whole thing was designed like a slideshow at a Senior Dinner Dance. This gives lots of good feels but requires no substantial storytelling.
>TFA had pretty good acting and scene composition
Mentioned earlier in this thread so I'm not going to go over it again. But the performance and presentation was never so bad that it gave awkward feels. But you can have good acting and presentation without a good story.
>TFA was extremely fast-paced.
The movie was never more than a minute or so away from some kind of action sequence. This prevented people from really thinking about or reflecting on what was happening too deeply.
>TFA had Mystery Boxes
Mystery boxes give an audience the sense of something epic without having to do the work of actually making something epic.

There was no substance to the movie apart from maybe Kylo which was pretty clearly accidental. The new characters are shallow. Likeable enough due to the competent acting, but nothing meaningful like Luke or Han or even Anakin from the prequels. Rey has no real struggle or conflict. Finn does but is largely comic relief. The political context for the war makes no sense and neither do the actions of the First Order. Multiple sequences in the movie are just patently ridiculous and The Super Death Star is beyond stupid even as a concept. And then it just blows away 6 planets in one shot that you have no reason to care about.

So if you're thinking about this movie as a way to start a new epic trilogy in the Star Wars universe, it is fucking abysmal. But, if you just shut your brain off and gorge on memberberries TFA is fine. That's what I mean by "tricked into liking it"
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>>106881103
Yikes...a whole paragraph. So in your brainlet head, you think there is no way a person can enjoy this as a standalone OTHER than "memberberries"? This isn't Citizen Kane, faggot. It's a Star Wars movie, I don't need a deeper meaning to enjoy it for what it is; just a flick to pass the time. It's not groundbreaking at all, neither were the originals.
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>>106881103
>Anakin is a likable character
>you aren't allowed to "shut your brain off" for a Star Wars film targeted to babies
Again I'll state for the record, SW fans are cancer and I love Star Wars but this is just sad.
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>>106879912
Not that guy but he stewed for years to ask retarded shit like why didn't they send more against Maul when they explicitly stated that they're trying to draw out the Sith? That's like spending years to say 1 + 1 = potato
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>>106881254
Why WOULDN'T they send more? I don't understand your point.
>we just recently sighted a fucking Sith lord, our ancient enemy, who was thought extinct for thousands of years
>Don't send anyone to investigate besides a Jedi on his way to getting fired from the Order and his whiny apprentice who spends the whole movie sitting down in a chair and complaining
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>>106880273
So basically you saw them when you were 10.
You didn't like episode 4 because it has an old/70s aesthetic and outdated special effects compared to something like The Matrix, Armageddon, Titanic, or whatever late 90s movies you watched as a kid.
You didn't like Empire Strikes Back because it's (literally) dark for most of the movie, focuses on a love story and Luke's training, and then the heroes lose at the end.
You didn't like Jedi because you didn't like the first two movies so didn't care what happened in the end.

Alternately you just have no interest in fantasy epic style storytelling and would be happier watching Kids or something.
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>>106881245
kys retard Anakin for all his faults is more interesting and likable than Rey that's all I was trying to say.
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>>106881425
N O P E
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>>106881322
Why would they assume that sending more would do anything but make a threat flee?
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>>106867262
They shit on TLJ constantly.
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>>106881322
He bitches about why the council wouldn't sent a bunch more Jedi bacvk to Naboo, even though Ki-Adi had just said that Obi and Qui-Gon should "draw out" the queen's attacker.

Maul wouldn't come out if a gaggle of Jedi showed up, because he knows he'd lose.
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>>106881425
>Anakin for all his faults is more interesting and likable than Rey
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA you must be 18 to post here, retard.
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>>106881425
>Anakin for all his faults is more interesting and likable than Rey
yikes
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>>106881475
>Why would they assume that sending more would do anything but make a threat flee?
If they were taking the threat seriously, why wouldn't they send backup? Qui-Gon is literally murdered by the attacker, "oops I guess. There was no way to prevent that!" It's stupid writing. It's just stupid.
>>106881517
>Maul wouldn't come out if a gaggle of Jedi showed up
Then spring a trap for him? Get him while he's after Qui-Gon and Kenobi, Christ...there are a dozen ways to make this not sound like stupid bullshit.
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>>106875669
What about Gary Kurtz?
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>>106881322
First off, the same Jedi you mentioned being on his way to be fired, who was explicitly stated to NOT be a council member due to defiance and radical views is the one who said the Sith are back. This same guy brought a kid they dont believe is thechosen one. They don't trust the guy who's crying wolf.

Secondly, how would more investors help? If enemy they're trying to uncover sees too many space wizard cops his direction, hes naturally going to run away. In other words, hed be scared off.
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>>106881612
>If they were taking the threat seriously, why wouldn't they send backup
Qui Gonn died after, not before. Maul had yet to kill a single Jedi before.
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>>106881644
>They don't trust Qui-Gon
Where is that stated? They disliked his views, but nothing about his past suggests he's a liar...who would make up a tale about ancient Sith returning. They even believe him. We are talking about psychic monks here friendo, they could read his mind if they had any doubts. Which they don't, since they entrust them with the mission in the first place.
>he'd be scared off
Are the Jedi wholly incapable of ambushing a single person?
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>>106881612
Spring a trap? That's hilarious. They're masters of trapping? Are jedi knights seriously that? When the enemy has a droid army and lots of sensors? How's that going to work against a sith?
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Rogue One was alright, but it's the last Star Wars film I had any interest in seeing. I tend to agree on Mike and Rich's views on Star Wars but their hate for R1 was kind of ridiculous.

Only thing that really sucked about R1 imo was Forest Whitaker, he's introduced as some sort of mentor but then just shows up as a crazy old man and dies.

>>106867262

They hated TLJ and kept on ridiculing it constantly.
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>>106881178
> you think there is no way a person can enjoy this as a standalone OTHER than "memberberries"
There's also explosions, lots of action scenes, girl power, Daisy Ridley's teeth, and dumb jokes.

>This isn't Citizen Kane, faggot
Never said it was, though since you mention it, Lucas might have done well to review Citizen Kane before making the prequels given that both stories describe the rise and fall of a man.
No, it's not Citizen Kane but it's not competent storytelling. In fact I really can't think of a movie off the top of my head with worse storytelling that isn't an obvious B movie or The Last Jedi. Even the Marvel capeshit movies that I've seen do a better job of storytelling than TFA. The first one that comes to mind is Once Upon a Time in Mexico, which is a movie you watch more for the great scenarios and action than for the story.
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>>106881742
Maul didn't have an army, he was working alone on Tattooine. You're telling me three or four Jedi couldn't slip onto the planet and follow him around? These near-clairvoyant super beings can't do basic investigation work?

It's shitty writing, stop defending the Prequels.
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>>106881742
>Jedi can’t spring a trap!
>Hello there.jpg
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>>106875669
Marcia Lucas was an editor on all three Original Trilogy Star Wars films, and then wasn't involved in the Prequel Trilogy.

Checkmate.
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>>106881734
Not that guy but
>sensors indicated that numerous starships have landed on the planet
>they appear to have brought reinforcements and are containing more Jedi
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>>106881448
>>106881564
>>106881606
Holy shit there are a lot of RLM nutsuckers in this thread
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>>106881764
>There's also explosions, lots of action scenes, girl power, Daisy Ridley's teeth, and dumb jokes.
These are the only meme reasons you can think of, retarded faggot?
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>>106881425
Anakin is unlikable, but at least he makes me feel something (Hint: it's hatred). Rey I just sort of feel apathetic towards
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>>106881805
That's more reasons than you have come up with for why TFA doesn't suck ass, which is zero.
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>>106881783
I have no idea what point you are trying to make here...
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>>106881770
DARTH SIDIOUS : Good. I will see to it that in the Senate, things stay as
they are. I am sending Darth Maul to join you.
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>>106881770
On Tatooine was their first encounter with maul and before anakin was brought to the council. They hadn't met maul before tatooine.
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>>106881770
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>>106881770
The ENEMY is also near clairvoyant. You think he cant detect jedi?
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>>106868536
This. I was halfheartedly defending Man of Steel for a good week before realizing how shitty it was.
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>>106869781
If I recall, they did moderate their opinions on TFA. I don't think they ever said they loved the movie when it came out but they did like it. Over time, it mellowed and they see it more as an obligatory reboot of the franchise before starting anything again than a real movie.
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>>106881770
>army
Trade Federation does
>Tatooine
He had droids even then
>three or four
While evading detection from the Trade Federation's entire droid army and Maul's personal droids? In the middle of a battlefield? How?
>near-clairvoyant
Maul is a force user too. One who trained his entire life under Sheev.
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>>106881809
Sure I am really not trying to sing Anakin's praises here. It's not like he oozes charisma or anything. I just did not realize I was going to trigger a fucking underage peanut gallery with an offhand comment.
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Star Wars is about the top half of Darth Maul fighting the lower half of Darth Maul with twenty lightsabers.
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>>106882447
Which half has 20 lightsabers?
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>>106882617
The audience.
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>>106881606
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>>106880332
Sometimes people have fun in ways that are traditionally associated with children, generally as a brief return to their memories of being a child themselves.
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>>106883062
>literally has nothing to do with the conversation
>some stupid /pol/-tier image macro
>"voting is for losers now"
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>>106882173
>Trade Federation does
He wasn't directly affiliated with the Trade Federation
>He had droids even then
He had one
>While evading detection from the Trade Federation's entire droid army and Maul's personal droids? In the middle of a battlefield? How?
This really isn't hard; take Qui-Gon's word seriously and send WITH him, multiple Jedi to Naboo to escort the Queen and rescue her. These are dumb reasons.
>Maul is a force user too
right, who got pwnd by Kenobi, a literal teenager.

Just admit your reasons are dumb.
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>>106881828
woah, pretty edgy there. Looks like you win!
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>>106881836
Maul had one sensor droid, and there is literally no "not retarded as shit" reason why the Council wouldn't be able to send multiple Jedi to Naboo after the encounter with Maul.
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>>106883486
Not that guy but you're wrong on many accounts. One, Darth Maul was sent to work with the feds. Two, Maul had finished killing a Jedi Master and nearly killed Obi Wan if he didn't jump over. Three, Obi Wan was 25 in TPM.
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>>106883486
>>106883556
Did you read half the posts you replied to?
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>>106883636
>One, Darth Maul was sent to work with the feds.
Tangentially, the Viceroy didn't even know who he was until he was mentioned and he barely was involved in Trade Federation business in any real capacity.
>Maul had finished killing a Jedi Master and nearly killed Obi Wan if he didn't jump over
Gee whiz, if only there were more Jedi there...
>Obi-Wan was 25 in TPM
He was still an apprentice, a padowan.
>>106883663
Yes, they're retarded. Stop defending these shit movies with bad writing.
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>>106883486
>post asking about feasibility of an action
>response is "Its not hard just do it"
You failed to address his point.
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>>106867262
Their hate for R1 is legitimately because they had to save face after liking Episode 7 even though it was terrible. Rogue One is provably better than 7 but they had to prove that they were still COOL so they shat all over it. They're extremely insecure.
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>>106883689
Does it matter how much the feds know? They were sent a secret agent to help. It doesn't matter if they don't have Maul's life story. He was sent by their mutual leader and told to work together. Next, the points were that Maul wouldn't have came out if too many Jedi were sent to face him. Thus, sending more wouldn't work. Finally, Obi wan knighted immediately following this and believed he was ready to become a knight before. Skill wise, he's already a jedi knight and only won because of circumstances and luck.
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>>106883556
Mr. speedwatcher, maul had at least 3 of them.
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>>106883852
It's literally baby logic to go "UHHH DEY NO NO COULD SEND MORE JEDI BCAUSE HE WOULD BE TOO SPOOKED!" Maul had no idea how many Jedi would face him on Naboo, only that they were onto him. He had no info on who was even following him...then why even fucking show up on Naboo in the first place? Why take that risk? You telling me, that 3 more Jedi couldn't hide somewhere in the palace?

These are dumb excuses, the Prequels are dumb. You are dumb.
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>>106883900
wow! three??? Woah.
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>>106883556
Maul is also a force-sensitive clairvoyant force user. How does that not have an effect?
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>>106883944
As others have mentioned, he is allied with an entire droid army and also has his own personal droids for being sensors. He has plenty of eyes.
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>>106883944
>Maul had no idea how many Jedi would face him on Naboo, only that they were onto him.
So, he doesn't keep an eye out? Especially when they're trying to find him, not him find them? When he's then one in hiding? Why?
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>>106883944
To add a few points to the above answers:

The primary reason the Jedi were sent was to peacefully/diplomatically deal with the blockade, and later as protection/defenders for Amidala. Both Jedi are actually more than adequate at dealing with the blockade, even when diplomatic measures failed. (as I'm sure the council at least suspected they might, otherwise, why send Jedi in the first place?)

The blockade, the war, the Trade Federation robots, didn't stand a chance against the Jedi, in fact, had Darth Maul not been there, everything would have gone very well and a happy ending for everyone, including Qui-gon.

Qui-gon was actually one of the best lightsaber duelists of the order, and obi-wan goes on to be one of the best swordsman in the order ever. Obi-wan successfully defeats Maul, then goes on to match Dooku head-to-head and hold him off until Yoda gets there, then again handles a battle with Dooku, this time defeating him with Anakin, and then later defeats General Grievous, and later again defeats Anakin. There's no indications that either of these characters are poor swordsman/duelers, they were both top of their game, so there's no reason to suspect the Council made a poor choice.

Qui-gon and Kenobi were far more tired than Darth Maul; they've been fighting all day long, leading rescue efforts, they're physically and mentally tired. Darth Maul was silently waiting, planning a trap for them. There's a big difference in energy levels.
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>>106881322
There are multiple answers to your question:

First, Qui-Gon is quite "powerful" at the time of The Phantom Menace. It is said in the film that, had he followed the code of the Jedi perfectly he would have been on the High council. So clearly he's not your average Jedi. As for Obi-Wan even if he was a padawan at the time, his training was soon to be complete. Indeed at the end of The Phantom Menace Obi-Wan is made a Jedi knight. So we have one confirmed Jedi who has the power to be on the high council and his "soon to be knight" padawan. It is a quite powerful team to investigate on...

Second, a "mystery". The Jedi order does not have proof of anything at the start of the events. They just feel that something is wrong. In this kind of case it make sense to not send the best Jedi on the case. But they still take seriously enough to send one of the best Jedi outside the high council.

Third, discretion. Protecting Padme Amidala was not the principal mission. At first it was to find a diplomatic solution to the blockade on Naboo. The investigation of the "Sith mystery" was supposed to be done discreetly. Sending a member of the high council is quite the opposite of discretion and could spook off the Sith before they can do anything.

Fourth, you don't know what the high council is doing. The blockade is a major political issue. It would make sense that the council is mostly focused on resolving this issue
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>>106881770
Sending an overwhelming force against an assassin isn't exactly the best way of drawing out the assassin. That's not how bait works.
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>>106867327
They still pussyfooted around calling Johnson a hack, which he is.
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>>106867550
based boomer?
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>>106867351
You mean the one where Mike called it a nightmare and Jay said it killed interest in the series? You fucking autist.
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>>106883944
>You telling me, that 3 more Jedi couldn't hide somewhere in the palace?
The enemy has taken the palace. The enemy will loom through every nook & cranny. The enemy will discover them preemptively. The enemy out number them by a lot too.
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>>106884287
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>>106884012
>>106883966
>being a zoomer retard defending the Prequels
>on 4chan
fucking imagine..
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>>106884768
Maybe there's a logical reason behind something & people're just pointing out that a shitty criticism is a shitty criticism?
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>>106884768
>2018
>defending RLM
Tell me anon, is TFA "fun" to you?
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>>106884971
Except it really isn't shitty criticism, the Prequels are stupid in a myriad of ways with some of the most autistic plotholes in the whole canon. This new zoomer shit of sucking off Lucas because you're 14 and new here doesn't change how stupid of a hill this is to die on when nothing about Maul makes any sense in the first place, nothing about Sheev's plan makes any sense, nothing about the Trade Federation makes any sense...

it's nonsense.
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>>106884998
>WAHHHH /tv/ SAYS TO HATE RLM BECAUSE THEY MEANIE POO POO TO PREQUALS WAHHH WAHHH WAHHH SAVE ME LUCAS!
Fuck off with this rebbit-tier behavior. Also:
>you can't have fun watching a Star Wars movie
imagine being this assblastingly autistic.
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>>106883944
>Maul had no idea how many Jedi would face him on Naboo, only that they were onto him
How do you work that out? Don't you know that Sith can sense Jedi? Vader said that he felt Obi-Wan's presence on the Death Star? There's a council scene where the entire Jedi Order said that they didn't sense Maul. So Maul can sense them, but they can't sense Maul very well. Of course sending more people to sense would make for a failed attempt. Less people = less people to sense for this evasive enemy whom they can't sense well.
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>>106884998
RLM has literally never done anything wrong, cope harder faggot.
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>>106885018
Maybe just mindlessly saying that things don't make any sense, rather than put two brain cells together, is exactly why you can't understand a film made for 12 year olds? Kids can understand this stuff.
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>>106885091
>Vader more or less single handedly hunts down hiding Jedi masters in both old and nu canon by himself
>"it's crazy to assume that multiple Jedi could hunt ONE Maul down! That's crazy! He'd sense them"
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>>106885115
>he actually thinks TPM is too "smart" for anon
You have to be unironically underage to make this argument. What in the absolute fuck happened to this board? You're a few words off from going "to be fair, you need a really high IQ..."
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>>106885018
>Except it really isn't shitty criticism
>>106885061
>rebbit-tier
>>106885102
>RLM has literally never done anything wrong
Unsure if bait or not
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>>106885136
Vader is Vader. He was one of the order's best fighters turned Dark Side and singlehandedly? An army of stormtroopers is singlehanded? What.
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>>106885173
RLM has literally done nothing wrong, it's not bait. Maybe you're just autistic and falling for /tv/ memes?
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>>106885102
>RLM has literally never done anything wrong
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>>106885201
He has canonically gone after multiple Jedi by himself.
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>>106885231
>all of these real sets for III were literally replaced by CGI just like what Lucas did to the special editions
Try again, retard. Seethe harder. Hating RLM is an underage meme for redditors.
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>>106885136
Darth Vader was hunting down remnants of Jedi, many who survived for years before being discovered, many like Obi wan & Yoda for over a decade, with all the resources the Empire has as the Jedi were branded traitors. Darth Maul has nowhere close to that many resources. He has to hide before he strikes.
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>>106885216
>>106885238
>>106885271
Unsure if baiting or salty.
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>>106885231
>Plinkett reviews are nearly 3 hours altogether
>may have been slightly wrong about sets in the Prequels, despite the films STILL being heavily reliant on CGI
>this means I should hate RLM now
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>>106885271
>all of these real sets for III were literally replaced by CGI
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>>106885312
>this board has gotten so retarded to the point where if you like RLM, you're called bait
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>>106885316
3 hours of garbage is 3 hours of garbage better spent watching something better. Citing video length only goes to give an example of how much trash is contained.
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>>106885351
Yes anon, you can cherrypick a handful of half-real sets. Good for you.
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>>106885271
>>106885316
>>106885352
Unsure if RLM shill or actual member of RLM who's desperately attempting damage control.
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>>106885387
>The Plinkett reviews are garbage ;)
go back to r/prequelmemes
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>>106867550
Yeah, you can lose a directing job at a major Hollywood studio in year.
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>>106885395
>handful
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>>106885411
>nobody is allowed to like RLM now because autistic pedo groupthink on /tv/ said so
I'm sorry massa! Tell me more about why Stephen Universe is terrible and Ring Theory is bae.
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>>106885395
Complaints about the movies aside, people who undermine the art direction and visual effects department of the prequel movies are the worst. They revolutionized so much technology and what they did for digital visual effects I'd say was more an impact than what the OT did for practical visual effects. We have these departments to thank for pixar, a lot of modern day 3D composting software, AND photoshop. Digital filmmaking was never the same afterwards.
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>>106885452
Yes, it was probably a handful. Only TPM used extensive set design.
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>>106885424
>>106885454
Unsure if the samefag is aware of how obvious or notn his samefagging is.
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>>106885477
...nobody is disputing that. I'm saying the films are terrible, which they are.
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>>106885501
I'm not samefagging if I'm literally responding to you directly you stupid cunt.
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>>106885488
>Only TPM used extensive set design.
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>>106885528
>Citing literally the worst offender in the prequels as "extensive use of set design"
You're fucking with me now, right?
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>>106885548
Which ones?

The on-set-locations of Tunisia/Tatooine and Italy/Naboo?

The miniature sets of Utapau, Felucia and Geonosis?

The fully-built practical sets of Kamino and Coruscant?

The footage of Switzerland for Alderaan?

China and Tailand for Kashyyyk?

Mt Etna and huge sets and miniatures for Mustafar?
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>>106885271
They literally did replace the models in the end, I heard the fucking head of ILM talk about it at a star wars panel a few years back.
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>>106885575
I can absolutely guarantee to you that despite JJ's aggressive anti-CGI "them silly prequels, wink wink, nod nod" marketing, TFA has a larger amount of reliance on CGI than the Prequels.

From the Rathtars, the the completely CGI """"space battle"""", there was far less miniatures in TFA than the Prequels, be it vehicles or sets. The Prequels often built miniatures for vehicles too, which I don't believe TFA did. Even pre-mocap tech Jar Jar had a stupidly expensive placeholder puppet built, which while a silly waste of money, still shows the length Lucas would go to to make things as convincing as possible before and after the CGI was applied to his movies.

Did you know that not only was the volcanic terrain of Mustafar a huge practical "miniature" with a pump system for lava, and they even went and filmed an erupting volcano during production?

Also, the most insulting thing about JJ's marketing was that the practical effects weren't even impressive.

5 minutes into the movie, you're treated to the shittiest looking bird puppet of all time. Then when Admiral "isnt-he-dead-yet?" Ackbar shows up, his mouth just flaps like a fucking childs toy, when Episode 3 had fully functioning Mon Calamari masks with realistic facial movements.

Anybody who EVER fucking tells me "b-but at least TFA was practical again :) " can absolutely go fuck themselves until they educate themselves.
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>>106885575
>The on-set-locations of Tunisia/Tatooine and Italy/Naboo?
...which was primarily TPM, which did have the most real sets and locations.
>The miniature sets of Utapau, Felucia and Geonosis?
All of which are digitally reconstructed or barely used in the final films.
>The fully-built practical sets of Kamino and Coruscant?
lol No, Kamino was not a "fully built" set and Coruscant was a few rooms.
>The footage of Switzerland for Alderaan?
literally what?
>China and Tailand for Kashyyyk?
Source? Sounds like bullshit.
>Mt Etna and huge sets and miniatures for Mustafar?
Again, most of the sets for 3 were restructured digitally in a computer and what you see on film is NOT a physical model.

Why are you trying this hard?
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>>106885600
>They did! Muh anecdote said so!
They didn't.
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>>106885632
>the zoomer "TFA was more CGI heavy than the prequels" meme that isn't even true
I hate to break it to you, but you're just objectively wrong.
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>>106885636
From what I recall, the only 100% CGI scene in the entire PT was the Geonosis Factory scene in Attack of the Clones. And even then, Lucas says, they wanted to use sets/miniatures, but the scene was added too late in production for it.

Besides that one scene, every single shot in the prequels makes use of on-set location shooting, practical sets, or at the very least, digitally inserted practical miniature sets.

Including all the otherworldly establishing shots.
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>>106885665
>>106885700
>If I cherrypick a handful of sets and models (rarely used) made for a 2 hour movie, maybe I'll meme my brain into thinking this is how you make movies!
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>>106885690
https://www.outerplaces.com/science-fiction/item/10918-star-wars-the-force-awakens-had-more-cgi-than-the-phantom-menace
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>>106885701
>every single shot in the prequels makes use of on-set location shooting, practical sets, or at the very least, digitally inserted practical miniature sets.
Why does this fucking lie keep getting repeated for?
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>>106885690
You sure? There's cgi in so much of tfa it's not even funny. Their practicals aren't even good & half the time they cged it.
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It objectively was.
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>>106885690
It was. JJ actually complained that the BB-8 puppet couldn't really do a lot. In the end, most shots of BB-8 are either fully CGI or CGI-assisted (for example, attaching a pole to BB-8 and having a guy literally rolling him through scenes, then digitally erasing the guy).
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>>106885735
>>106885749
>TFA had 2100 VFX shots, while Phantom Menace had 1900. But the key to The Force Awakens' success wasn't less CGI, it was the combination of practical and digital effects, which The Phantom Menace didn't quite master (and is probably why Snoke was the least effective visual effect in the film). For example, the adorable and well-received BB-8 was a physical robot, as we all saw at Star Wars Celebration, but Guyett and Tubach claim that approximately a quarter of the BB-8 shots were digital. And in the scene between BB-8, R2-D2, and C3PO, sometimes the heads were CG and the bodies were real, or vice versa, so the digital and practical effects worked together and supported each other.

But again, this is on the word of some blog.
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>If I cherrypick a handful of sets and models (rarely used) made for a 2 hour movie
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SO WHAT IF PT HAD PRACTICALS? THE OT HAD NO CGI OR ANYTHING LIKE GREENSCREEN YOU FUCKS
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>>106885765
>Prequels have scenes that are almost entirely greenscreen
>this is somehow the same as blending seemless practical effects with CGI
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>>106885793
Yes, this is what cherrypicking looks like, prequelfag. Imagine defending these shitty films. If you're an adult, I feel sorry for your mother.
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>>106885815
I love the OT but not all effects aged the best.
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>>106885827
Curious where your evidence is. Each pt film had more miniatures & shit than the ot combined.
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>>106885867
Almost all the physical sets in 2 look like garbage with little detail.
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I haven't seen any Starshit flick since FA. Am I missing anything?
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>>106885877
>Curious where your evidence is.
the documentaries attached to the fucking films
Each pt film had more miniatures & shit than the ot combined.
kek, no. Stop with this obvious lie.
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>>106885815
The OT did have some bluescreen though
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>>106885847

Shame, but by the time of the Return of the Jedi shoot that giant practical Falcon that was built for ESB was destroyed so they used that matte painting instead. It remember it looking very obviously like a painting even back then in the theater and on VHS.
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>>106885898
-Rogue One is garbage except for a single scene with Vader
-TLJ isn't nearly as shitty as /tv/ pretends it is, it's mostly just autistic screeching from children and mongoloids because it didn't fit headcanon
-Solo is hot garbage that was ruined in reshoots
-there is going to be a new Mandalorian movie that will probably be canned
-Kenobi is indefinitely postponed because Solo possibly killed the franchise.
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>>106885906
I watched the documentaries. They show practical effects
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>>106885958
...which were few and far between or replaced in post. They literally have a whole section about replacing sets digitally due to Lucas being his autistic self with reshooting.
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>>106885975
Far and few? They had people there who actually said the pt had more.
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>>106885991
No..they didn't. If they did, it's a marketing lie.
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>340 reply RLM thread and no on uttered the word "aidsmoby"
we're getting better, 4channel
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>>106885975
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DHZJS0at9c
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>>106885488
Episode II & III incorporated even more models and miniatures than Ep I. And Ep II filmed in many of the same locations as Ep I, such as all of the Naboo and Tatooine scenes filmed in Spain, Italy, and Tunisia.
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>>106886054
>watching a nearly 30 minute long autistic nitpick by some retard on YT because the funny Plinkett voice man said mean things about the Prequels
>literal cherrypicking despite nobody disagreeing that TPM didn't have practical sets
>seething this hard
The coping must be hard with some of you. In total retrospect, there really weren't a lot of sets or miniatures on the final cut. That's a fact. Revise history all you want.
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>>106886111
*that TPM had practical sets not didn't have
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What's dumber, the fanboys or the defenses for shit like the plinket test?
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>>106886084
>Episode II & III incorporated even more models and miniatures than Ep I.
I can only say "no" so many times.
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>>106886111
>literal cherrypicking
Not that anon but you mean like RLM does? They cherry pick hard
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>>106886142
>test
That entire segment is retarded. It's perfectly easy to describe prequel characters by character traits rather than biographical information, which anyone who's seen the prequels and has the capacity to think for themselves can figure out by thinking about it for two seconds longer than Plinkett wants you to. It's just one expression of a pretty common flaw with Plinkett's reviews - using comedy and delivery to cover for the relatively weaker points.

If the argument is that it's not that the character lacks traits like personality and behavior and mindset, but that the audience doesn't remember it as well, that's just a long-winded up one's own ass way of saying the movie as a whole isn't as good or memorable - which is true, but a pretty shallow point to take like ten fucking minutes to make for a review purporting itself to be in-depth and thorough. Which brings me, again, to why I don't like those reviews - they use comedy and delivery to pad out what are often pretty shallow points or nothing more than restating the premise.
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>>106886142
>"defending the prequels" isn't an option
Seriously, what happened to you retards?
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>>106886084
Ironically, the prequels actually used quite a bit of animatronics, make-up, and miniatures. And not just in The Phantom Menace either like some fans claim, a lot of the places seen in episodes II and III used miniatures, such as the diner and even the lava planet of Mustafar.
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>>106886181
Literally explain to me what Padme's character is. Or Kenobi.
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>>106886181
This

Qui-Gon: Defiant, willing to go against his superiors to do what he thinks is right.
Padme Amidala: Naive, but well-meaning and wants to do right by her people and democracy.

Plinkett's shitty test doesn't even work on his intended targets.
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>>106886156
It's the truth. Each consecutive prequel had more & more.
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>>106886173
I'm saying this re: video is a hard cherrypick. The Prequels have glaring problems. I have no fucking idea why this board all of a sudden over the past 2 years, went a full 180 on the films.

I blame 2016 and phoneposters from rebbit honestly and I hate to play the rebbit card.
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>>106886142
The fanboys. To lack their own opinion? Heck, how many prequel fans like it because of some reviewer? Doubtfully many. At least those guys have opinions that are their own.
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>>106886231
>Qui-Gon: Defiant, willing to go against his superiors to do what he thinks is right.
Name a single scene where you SEE this in the first hour and a half of the film, not being TOLD this, which is what TPM does...show me where he does this, in relation to the other Jedi.

These characters are so fucking bland, you need to fill the gaps with your headcanon descriptions that aren't even on screen.
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>>106886208
By the way, just to prove that the Plinkett Test is bullshit. Please note that even for characters that appear in later movies, I am restricting myself to Episodes I to III for their descriptions.

>Describe Ep I to III characters without saying what they look like, what kind of costume they wore, or what their profession or role is

>Anakin Skywalker
A prodigy with a lot of anxiety problems and a deep fear of losing people close to him, coupled with a Messiah complex that was forced upon him by others and an unrealistic desire to be perfect. It eventually drives him to commit horrible acts in the ultimately vain hope of saving the love of his life. In the end, he becomes the Galaxy's greatest monster.

>Obi-wan Kenobi
Noble, content, kind, caring, but not without a sense of humor and levity, Obi-wan Kenobi's biggest flaw is a blind spot where the growing problems of best friend Anakin are concerned. Otherwise he glides through the three movies as a person with a strong moral center and is arguably the biggest "good guy" in the trilogy, always willing to do the right thing. He is similar to his master Qui-gon but without the latters contempt for authority. Everyone could stand to be a little more like Obi-wan.

>Padmé Amidala
Dedicated to goodness and preserving freedom and democracy, first for her home planet in particular against an invading force and then later in the Galaxy at large. Rarely thinks of herself before others, though she finds herself falling head over heels for Anakin; even still, her love for Anakin never leads her to selfish acts. She tries to help Anakin's anxieties, but doesn't seem to realize that by loving and marrying him she actually makes them worse. One of the few people who sees Chancellor Palpatine's increasing control over the Senate and understands him to be a threat democracy, though unfortunately few listen to her. Ultimately she dies as part of Anakin's turn to the Dark Side.
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>>106886303
Again, none of this is being explicitly told to the audience through storytelling internally, through the progression of the scenes. It's either told offhand in a dialogue, written out in speeches "I love to do A, B, C. Don't you know I love these things! Or hate these things", while the rest is literally your own headcanon version of these bland inserts where you need to plug in these traits despite not getting them fleshed out in any meaningful way on screen.

You're fucking retarded. All of your descriptors are open horoscopes mostly.
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>>106886294
>You will not teach Anakin
>I will, even if you tell me not to
Not that guy nor quoted exactly but even the weird al song caught up on it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEcjgJSqSRU&t=3m19s
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>>106886181
YEah, Take Gandalf and describe him with the Plinkett test.

It CAN be done, but if you're not talking about the fact that he's a fucking WIZARD (his occupation so off limits in the test), then you're not TRULY describing Gandalf.
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>>106886054

>because of a lot of time and effort went into it, the movie doesn't deserve criticism

I watched 2 4hr part making of of The Hobbit that was really fascinating and entertaining. Doesn't make it good.
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>>106886342
>Again, none of this is being explicitly told to the audience through storytelling internally
You sure about that? I watched it years ago & I remember it like he described.
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>>106886375
So, your example is a "tell not show" of Qui Gon just literally saying outloud "I WILL TRAIN HIM BEEP BOOP" and you are settled with that as character development?
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>>106886397
>You sure about that?
Yes, if this board wasn't full of underage faggots, I wouldn't have to make this argument in the first place.
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>>106886389
Nobody said that
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This is a strange thread. Are rlmfags really this butthurt yet incapable of arguing?
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>>106886405
It's him not saying "I'm DEFIANT", it's him refusing to listen to the others & instead goes his own way. It shows him being defiant through his words & refusal to obey the council.
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>>106886405
Not that guy but that's an action. He defied them without saying he's defiant. Now if he said
>I am a defiant person
then it'd only telling.
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>>106867273
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>>106867951

>I LOVED RLM
>BUT NOW I HATE THEM CUS THEY MADE FUN OF A MOVIE I LIKE!

You think people would be more self-aware this day and age.
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>>106885690
See http://www.slashfilm.com/force-awakens-visual-effects/
How many miniatures did they use?
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>>106886557
No, it's not an example of an "action" he's just saying he's doing something that is defiant. It's not a SHOW of defiance until he acts on it.

Jesus, take at least one screenwriting class...fuck.
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>>106886497
>It's not the prequelfags at all
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>>106886389
If someone watched a 3 hour long review that had "time and effort" in it, does that review deserve immunity to criticism?
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>>106886597
No? He does show defiance by refusing a direct order. He then takes Anakin under his wing with full intent to train Anakin but only stops because of death. If this was a war movie & someone refused a superior's order & went their own way, wouldn't that be defiance?
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>>106886619
But you're just shitting on RLM's criticism because the one rule on this shit board is to be contrarian and now that nu-Wars is out, you false-memory'd yourself into thinking the prequels are even passable films, let alone worth defending.

It's quite autistic behavior. If you were around at least 6 years ago (which you weren't) you'd think this was retarded.
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>>106886644
No, he literally only says "I will defy the council" then he dies. There is nothing you SEE him do outside of him telling Obi-Wan. You can make a slight argument that Obi-Wan ACTS on that, but the movie fucking ends with no scenes concluding that behavior, outside of him telling Yoda, and doing not much else.

It's not Showing, it's just straight up Telling because Lucas is a lazy hack who can't write drama at all. This is a rinse and repeat cycle throughout the prequels
>character: "I WILL do this thing. Did I tell you I will do this? I will!"
>no scene shows this
>Powerpoint swipes to CGI boring shit
>Powerpoint swipe back, but three to four sequences AFTER the fact
>character: "well, I did it".
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>>106886382
>It CAN be done, but if you're not talking about the fact that he's a fucking WIZARD (his occupation so off limits in the test), then you're not TRULY describing Gandalf.
that's not the goal of the test, the goal is to judge weather a character 'is' a character, or if its a huminoid plot device (the six fingered man being one that was done well, Phasma being one done poorly)
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>>106886729
>the goal is to judge weather a character 'is' a character, or if its a huminoid plot device
A standard human fighter character can be entertainingly done. This test does nothing for that.

It’s not a tool and it doesn’t even work. It’s completely possible to make an entertaining character that fails it.

The Hidden Fortress, an acclaimed film by an acclaimed filmmaker, and the film that Lucas based Star Wars on, has a main character (Mifune) who fails the Plinkett character test as hard as Qui-Gon. (Which turns out, he doesn't at all according to this thread so actually harder.)

The guy's whole shtick is badly justifying his feels based opinions.
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>>106886712
That is showing. He takes Anakin. He takes him along their journey instead of abandoning him at any point.

See here, this criticism is nonsense because it requires just forgetting parts of the film. That's bad.
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>>106886712
If you're retarded ass wants examples:
>Kenobi and Anakin are good friends (this is told by a dialogue).
>Kenobi tracks down Fett (brilliantly deduces that a planet didn't just up and disappear then cuts to him finding the planet, cuts to him soaking info from Lama Su, cuts to him fighting Fett, cuts to him put a tracker on Fett, cuts to him finding Fett again).
>Anakin crying about his mother (cuts to him going to Tattooine, cuts to him finding her, she dies, he mad, the end)
>Anakin and Padme are in love (one scene of her being hostile to him and uncomfortable, cut to Naboo, cut to dinner scene where nothing happens, cut to bdsm sex outfit and makeout)
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>>106886811
>He takes Anakin.
Nobody explicitly told him he couldn't do that. Literally at all.
>He takes him along their journey instead of abandoning him at any point.
Which again..nobody has told him not to do. It's not until he gets to Coruscant that they tell him he can't train the boy.
>this criticism is nonsense because it requires just forgetting parts of the film
You are honest to shit forgetting entire sequences in TPM...
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>>106886729
No it doesn't. Even most of TPM's characters pass this "test". HE doesn't even understand his own test,. All it is is a test to see if the watcher of his review happens to have a working brain or not by chosing the correct response of rejecting the test
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>>106886857
Maybe you think it's a bad test because you're retarded and think that these characters are even remotely fleshed out?
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>>106886729
It's a meme test. That's it.
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>>106886885
>criticisms of objectively poorly made films are "memes" now
Rebbit is down the hall, to the left!
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>>106886854
They told him to get rid of Anakin & that they aren't keeping him.

YODA : Young Skywalker's fate will be decided later.
QUI-GON : I brought Anakin here; he must stay in my charge. He has nowhere
else to go.
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>>106886712
>character: "I WILL do this thing. Did I tell you I will do this? I will!"
>no scene shows this
>Powerpoint swipes to CGI boring shit
>Powerpoint swipe back, but three to four sequences AFTER the fact
>character: "well, I did it".
Phantom Redux fixes a lot of this, its not Lucas' work, but it shows how close they got to being good without actually being good.
>>106886768
what the fuck are you even trying to say?
the test is about having a multifaceted personality in your characters, having them fail it does not make the movie bad. Qui-Gon being a flat character is not what made TPM bad, its just a contributing factor.
>>106886857
>Even most of TPM's characters pass this "test"
do they? or does Lucas have them say "I have personality" without actually having one?
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>>106886901
...At Coruscant, then he dies 15 to 20 minutes later, kiddo.
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>>106886885
Meme test with extremely arbitrary criteria. Refer to it when you want to blow smoke up asses and feel good about yourselves, because you might as well pick any of those criteria and run with it and it'd be just as meaningless, because trying to objectify something as subjective as enjoyment is a fool's errand
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>>106886919
>, because trying to objectify something as subjective as enjoyment is a fool's errand
That literally is not what the test is or does.
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>>106886872
Maybe it's an objectively bad test which IRL people can fail.
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>>106886872
ike, lets consider your outcomes here. There's this fellow. You clearly haven't managed to solicit the character depth you were aiming for, because they only saw the letter of the law, not the spirit. Despite being told not to mention their profession, they've just mentioned a bunch of extremely obvious character traits (and to their credit, they have a bunch rather than just a couple), that are functionally speaking identical to roles. They have failed to describe their character on anything other than a surface level, any more so than describing their appearance would have let on.

I do find it amusing that this is despite the usual Plinkett test stipulation of "Describe them to me like I ain't never met 'em before." which ironically if this was in a real context would make people ENORMOUSLY more likely to mention surface aspects of their character. Because in real life, those are the first things we learn about a person.

It isn't until months of knowing someone very well and interacting with them closely that we have any real measure of their inner character, how they act when it counts, etc.

If someone has never even met them before, its likely impossible to even describe those subtle aspects of a person. You need to have seen them in action to have the context for understanding them at a deeper level, even if someone tutors you into it.
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>>106886945
>autism not even once
That's nice and all, but it's like you don't actually understand the procedure of the experiment done on these characters.
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You know, many real life people can fail the plinkett test
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The Plinkett test completely misses out on how we characterise REAL ACTUAL PEOPLE we interact with day to day. Despite the tirade of "It's what's inside that counts", the fact is that the shorthand provided by people's professions, their appearance and affectations, and the statistically verifiable way this effects their behaviour is far too useless to ever leave human vocabulary in these matters.

Furthermore, I would go as far as to say that the Plinkett test is incredible at making any character sound fucking boring. Even incredibly well nuanced characters sound fucking boring when you parse them through the Plinkett test, and not a whole lot less boring than someone who is actually the most straight laced whitebread motherfucker imaginable.

Kira Yoshikage from JoJo Part 4 is from what I can tell, a character literally designed from the ground up around the idea of passing the Plinkett test with flying colours, and yet a description of him following Plinkett test rules still manages to miss the context that makes anything cool about him as a character.

Please consider critically assessing what you are attempting to normalise before you shovel it
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>>106886942
Or (hear me out), these are poorly written characters?
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>>106886993
>the fact is that the shorthand provided by people's professions, their appearance and affectations, and the statistically verifiable way this effects their behaviour is far too useless to ever leave human vocabulary in these matters.
Nice blogpost, but these don't make fleshed out fictional characters in media...
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>>106885847

That painting is fucking sex. The Star Wars OT has some of the all time GOAT matte paintings. Along with Willow.
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>>106886934
It's the only thing it can try to do. Imagine if an audience member is disinterested in the film. They can describe a character in the most boring of ways.
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>>106887047
The test is to prove a character is fleshed out you fucking turboautist. That's it. If a movie doesn't do a good job of that, they aren't fleshed out characters.
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>>106887067
Not that guy but he's right. Imagine someone who's watching The Shining & describes Jack as
>this author guy who went crazy woo
It's possible & misses enormous things about the character but it's possible.
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>>106886988
one of the better memes to come out of the last few years
>>106886945
a movie is the highlights of an event, it would take about 3 years of shadowing Gen. Patton to see the same man that was portrayed in 170 minutes in his biographical movie.
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>>106887067
If one doesn't actively immerse themselves in the story/world and actively attempt to understand the character's motivations, then what right do they have to criticize your character as "shallow" and "boring"?

It's like saying Raskolnikov is a shallow character that can only be described "hurr durr, he killed the loan shark granny and now he regrets it". Or saying that Jack Torrance is boring character who is merely "a writer who went insane and tried to kill his wife".
Face it, Plinkett test is a placebo for people who have to be forcefed the character's motivations in order for them to understand the character in question.
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>>106887110
He's not right, a poorly written character...is poorly written. Jack from The Shining is indeed slightly one-dimensional, if you don't watch the first half of the movie I guess.
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>>106887067
>prove
This is an objectively provable thing?
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>>106887128
Why can't you just accept that these characters are just poorly defined? Occam's Razor, friendo.
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>>106887141
Not that guy but in his own "review" Mike framed it a evidence that the character & movie was objectively bad, which anyone can know is not something the test can prove. The point isn't that that's what the test is for, it's that that's the way Mike used it and he was wrong to do so.
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>>106887159
It's not inherently "provable", what we are looking at is development of a character that is demonstrative, in context with the film.
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>>106887067
What if the characters has all the traits needed to pass this "test" and instead of accepting that, they go about like morons and their fans defend them badly?
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>>106867550
This is literally what 15-year-old edgelords who have watched too much anime think look "cool".
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>>106887164
That's not what William of Occam meant. The point of the razor is to not have too many assumptions & instead to go with the explanations that explain the best within the context without assuming too much. If anything, you violate this by going against what's in the movie & what's there & just asserting things. Others have cited their things directly from the film & scene. Things that are there are there. Tod eny them would be more of a iolation of the razor
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>>106887164
The Plinkett "test" is a shitty test because it ignores the entire concept of context. To say someone's professional or role isn't important to the character is retarded. A stressed out master class well respected surgeon is a much different character from a stressed out and shitty, poorly trained surgeon.
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The more you watch their other content, the more their behaviour will make sense. They are actually consistenly aweful movie critics. They like to get high and mighty about how much better they are than others and do these endlessly long fake podcasts, but at the core of it all they are just the exact same. They are grade A hypocrites . And pretty lackluster movie reviewers in addition.

You can pretty much predict exactly how they are going to react. The only thing they are good at is detecting a bandwagon starting to roll, so they always jump on it the first chance they get, and if they can't get on fast enough but sense potential for an anti-bandwagon, they will try and start that. That is exactly what they did with TFA. When the wind started turning after TLJ and fans suddenly hated Disney again, they turned right around and "admitted to their mistake" to get onto the bandwagon nice and early while people didn't realize whether the "love it" or "hate it" faction was going to win out yet.

They are good social manipulators, I will give you that, but they pretty much just say what ever will get their audience nodding, and they know how to make a tear-down entertaining whether substantiated or not. In that regard, they are just the edgy """high brow""" mirror image to all those shill-casts they like to mock.

And they do that with every movie, not just Star Wars, I got sick and tired of them real fast. The more I watched of them, the more they reminded me of the higher tier corporate bullshitters I have encountered in large companies, you know, the type that don't just rise through hot air and convincing other bullshitters, but that can hide their unsophisticated behind sophisticated wording. In the end, you develop a nose for that nonsense anyways. RLM are the same, beating dead horses and unsophisticated "criticism" hidden behind nice wording.
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>>106887005
Or maybe they are but the test is also terrible?
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