>has the most beautiful nature in the country >has some of the worst cities in the united stateshow sad
because of their racist policies that used to prevent black people from moving there
>>2462144The wealthy Parts of Seattle are so nice, just stop being poor
>>2462146>The wealthy Parts of Seattle are so niceRequires a car, most people I know don't have driver licenses
>>2462147Car chads win again
>>2462144You dont have to live in the biggest cities
>>2462146>having to live in a city with a "poor zone"yeah, fucking shithole
I'm going to tell you a secret... Coeur d'Alene
I don't know if they're as bad as St Louis or Detroit maybe lower middle tier
>>2462144>>2462145>>2462146>>2462147>>2462148>>2462149>>2462170>>2462173>>2462177>>2462183Holy shit, I can't even image being a Europoor living in urban concrete bugpod hell and not living in a large home surrounded by nature
>>2462256>His wood box surrounded by "nature"
>>2462256oh boy do I love being surrounded by nature, those euro cucks don't even know what living the life is really like
>>2462144Can't speak to Seattle but the thing with Portland is that it's unironically one of if not the best cities in the US outside of the majors (NY/Chicago/etc). That's why people STILL put up with all the bullshit, because at the end of the day there's nowhere better to move to. I always think of PDX as a small city (because I'm mentally comparing it to NYC) but if you actually travel to other US 'big' cities like say Charlotte or Houston you realize Portland has a far bigger, livable urban area. Homeless throughout but zero nigger no go zones. Plenty of stuff to do within the city and the world's best nature of all types all within the state.The place is ruined and a shell of it's former self. But if you like urban living it remains better than the vast majority of US cities.
Not a fan of the I-5 corridor but if I had the money I would live on the Oregon Coast. Probably the most beautiful places in the states.
>>2462173not really a secret at all. might as well say Bend or Bozeman are "secrets".the truth is its worth it. I live in Bend and yeah its yuppiefied and yeah its sometimes annoyingly liberal and holy fuck is it expensive, but fact is its still like 97% white and the access to the outdoors is elite tier.there will always be places like this in America. the biggest headache is living with the idiotic statewide bullshit.
A lot of those cottagecore YouTubers live in the PNW for some reason. I guess it’s sparsely populated and wild enough to do that.
>>2462144>>has some of the worst cities in the united statesI think you're exaggerating greatly desu
>>2462615things are really bad in Seattle and Portland. I go to both very regularly, it is truly appalling. What you see in the media dramatically understates the severity of the problem.Though the suburbs are mostly fine and the rest of Washington and Oregon are both basically unchanged. You can go to Idaho, Alaska or Montana if that really bothers you so much though.
>>2462147You're either poor beyond measure or 15
>>2462589The oregon coast is gorgeous about 20 days a year and depressing as fuck the rest of the year. Constant gray, rain, fog, sand blowing. Everyone is poor and there are a ton of meth users
>>2462619I visit PNW cities for work all the time and neither Portland nor Seattle is half as bad as the chuds on four channel want you to believe. If they were really that bad, people would be leaving by the thousands and they sure aren't.
>>2462686Seattle is the only city I’ve ever been to where people will shoot up heroin in broad daylight, right in front of the public in some of the busiest areas of the city.
>>2462686>>2462703You both are naïve
COME TO EUGENE
>>2462619Seattle is nowhere near as bad as Portland.
>>2463688Really? My impression was that it's the opposite. Like in terms of worst to least problems SF > Seattle > PDX
>>2463694Portland is worse and getting more worse every year.
>>2463700How is it worse? Not trying to be obtuse just actually have no idea>t. lived in Portland for last 20 years, haven’t set foot in Seattle or SF once in last ~5
You have to see Portland for yourself to believe it. Same goes for Oakland. I'm not saying San Francisco or Seattle are doing great, but its nothing like Portland. What has happened there in the last ten years will go down in history.
>>2463694Portland is way worse.
seattle is doing fine compared to shitholes like autsin or chicago, most of the homeless are just located within a couple of blocks downtown and I haven't seen any open drug use outside of that area. It's really the only city i've felt safe walking in
>has some of the worst cities in the united statesI haven't been to Seattle or Portland in 15 years. Have those cities declined so much since then to be worse than Chicago, Detroit, STL, Memphis, Baltimore, Birmingham, Jackson, New Orleans, Albuquerque, and Oakland?
>>2463820>Same goes for Oakland. I'm not saying San Francisco or Seattle are doing great, but its nothing like Portland. What has happened there in the last ten years will go down in history.Seattle isn't bad, idk if they cleaned the place up post 2020 shenanigans but I went up for a Mariners game a week ago and saw only handful of homeless wandering around but didn't see any camps. I was all through downtown. I think they're consolidated somewhere, which is good. Portland however. Portland looks like shit out of bladerunner with camps fucking everywhere, every underpass, rows upon rows of tents and shopping carts full of garbage, even the stereotypical bum trash can fires. All it needs is more neon and flying cars and its comic book tier Techno Dystopia. And that fucking statue man, I'm not so pissed they removed the original but the grotesque thing they replaced it with is unforgivable.
>>2463820So all of these cities have nice areas. People like to chime in and say its not all bad, but duh man its not all bad anywhere. Its not all bad in Johannesburg or Port Moresby either, you gonna walk the streets there?The difference between the rust belt and Portland particularly is the very stark disparity. In Chicago or Memphis the violence is significantly worse and the poverty better (but not by that much) than Portland's squalor, but in the rust belt its cast against obviously decaying buildings and decrepit infrastructure.In Portland (and to a lesser extent Seattle) this shit is happening in front of what only a few years ago was prime real estate. Luxury condos, high end retail, obviously much of it is vacating but you can still see that these were well maintained areas not too long ago. That's not the case in Baltimore where you can tell nobody has given a fuck for a half century.The scary part is that you come back from these places and you look at the property values because surely they must be cratering amid this bullshit, but they aren't. All of its still listed like nothing is the matter at all, and it all just lies fallow. This must be how it started in the rust belt, nobody wanted to acknowledge the truth staring them right in the face.
>>2462795I've spent 27 years in Portland/Seattle. You don't know what you're talking about.
>>2463789Downtown Seattle is not safe to walk in, especially after dark. I remember 10 years ago cap hill was a fun and safe place to go after dark, now if you go out down there and have to go over 5 blocks it's best to take an Uber. Only reason it's fine is because it couldn't possibly get much worse.>most of the homeless are located with a couple of blocks of downtownFuck no, go walk around the perimeter of Green Lake. Five years ago it was a safe and nice area with no homeless, now it's nothing but broken RVs, needles, and tweakers.
Curious about what goes on in Eastern Oregon and Washington, I've spent a bit of time in the Oregon Outback and spent about a 2 days or so in Lake and Harney county and it felt like most of far east California. Did get to see some nice nature (especially pronghorns) and landscapes (picrel was probably my favorite spot to ever drive) which I did enjoy. I want to return to the area eventually and was wondering if there was anything of interest in these areas. >>2463729Oakland is unironically the worst city in the United States. A horrid concoction of deindustrialization, gentrification, poverty, crime, homelessness, and the shittiest of shitlib politics. To top it all off, there's nothing of interest in the city and the nice parts are all out of the city limits. San Francisco and Portland, while still declining, still are able to keep the homeless population somewhat controlled and have nice places to visit.
>>2464737>eastern WALots of people larping as 'rebels' against king county, while still dutifully paying their taxes and turning in their guns, and doing nothing.Lots of shitlibs buying up property and making things obviously gay instead of passively gay.Lots of people 'just waiting to move to idaho'. Lots of 'I want to leave but I can't yet'. Lots of 'at least the nature is nice'. Lots of meth. LOTS of meth.
Recently spent a year in Spokane, WA. In that time I met nobody who wasn't a communist or brown colonizer who wanted to be there.Horrible homeless problem also destroyed the small but once nice downtown. Could not do anything without being harassed by junkie panhandlers and psychos.Pullman is a nice college town but that's all it is: a college town. If you are above the age of 30 you're going to have social problems.
>>2464753> Eastern Washington> “paying taxes”Lol
>>2464785These people right paragraph about their own head cannon
>>2463994I walked a mile around the space needle area at 215am a few months ago and it was fine.
>>2464737There's no civilization in Eastern Oregon. Once you get east of Bend there are around 80k people in an area the size of Ohio
>>2462256large home surrounded by nature is only available to the rich, farmers, and work from home coders. the rest of have to live in a suburban hell surrounded by concrete
>>2462144nobody in this thread cares about BC
>>2464785yeah, every boomer faggot I knew was paying their property taxes stillI've had this conversation many times>Them: ohhh fuck King county! fuck Inslee!>Me: ok, why don't you stop paying state taxes of every type then?>Them: oh noooo I can't do that! it's against the law! besides I want to sell my home soon! (to some techfag)god forbid you bring up not paying the sales tax>>2464854its beautiful but I don't associate with dogfuckers or chinks
>>2464855and yet you associate with WA
>>2464856no actually, I left in disgust, then left the USA entirely after establishing residency in a different income tax free state
>>2464877If you left the US entirely you needn't be a resident of any state. If you have legal residence in foreign cunt that is your residence, if you are nomading then you aren't US resident as long as you spend >330(?) days per year outside the US
>>2464952Sometimes Alaskans say retarded shit like this like they don't even live in America
>>2464737>Eastern WashingtonGetting pozzed at a dizzying rate.>Eastern OregonThere's really nobody in Eastern Oregon. There are people in Central Oregon, though. Bend isn't quite as liberal as you might think, and even then its not big enough to swing the regions politics. If you can find work and make decent money its one of the better places in the USA to live, the demographics are ironclad for at least another few generations and its an elite tier outdoors destination. Montana is probably still better because its never going to be pozzed the way Oregon has, or at least not in your lifetime.Other than Montana? I would take Central Oregon over anywhere else in the West. Idaho is going to be fucked six ways from Sunday within the next ten years. They are going to do to Idaho exactly what they did to Oregon.
>>2464952That's not how it works man, the US government makes it exceedingly difficult to be without a bonafide brick and mortar address so long as you remain a citizen.
>>2464737I went to the Umatilla County Fair a long time ago and saw Ted Nugent shoot a flaming arrow into a cardboard cutout of saddam hussein. Then he played "Cat Scratch Fever" and I almost got into a fight with a bunch of drunk cowboys.
>>2464987Portland is a pozzed liberal shit hole but if you go more than 5 miles outside of multnomah county it glows bright red with conservatism. shit, i live in Beaverton and i love it. the cops here do not hesitate to send junkie homeless back to the pearl district.
>>2464997Actually that is exactly how it works, I am a foreign resident myself. Having an address to receive mail at does not make you a resident of that state.
>>2465024it does though. i even confirmed this with a tax lawyer. "residency" is a very loose term that has little to do with how long you actually are physically present in that state. it only requires a "preponderance of evidence" that you have some sort of connection to that state, whether that be holding a drivers license, having a mailing address, being registered to vote, or a combination of those things. Boomer RVers set up residency in South Dakota in that fashion all the time.
>>2465032Well if you're set up in a tax free state it doesn't matter anyway so good on you, but if you only have a mailing address and can clearly show that you don't live in the US at all, you simply are not a resident of any state.Having a mailing address is not 'a preponderance of evidence' that you are a resident of a state. It is a data point. But if you really live outside the US the actual preponderance of evidence would show, for expample: 1) You are not only not physically present in said state, but you are not present in the US whatsoever2) You do not have a US phone number3) No US insurance4) etc...If a tax lawyer told you that there is no way to avoid being a state resident despite living overseas, he's an idiot.
>>2465042>you simply are not a resident of any stateGo read the actual requirements of residency for South Dakota. Nowhere does it say you have to actually live there. It's right there on the state website.
>>2465045I'm not going to read the requirements for South Dakota. If you are satisfied with your situation god bless. Im just telling you that it is plain wrong that you cannot escape state residency
>>2465048>Im just telling you that it is plain wrong that you cannot escape state residencyim not arguing that, im stating that residency doesn't really have anything to do with your physical presence in that state. its paper, nothing more.
>>2465049>it doesn't have anything to do with your physical presence in that stateI am not familiar with SD specifically, but for most states physical presence is the major defining feature of residency>its paper, nothing moreSure, but having a US mailing address while living full time overseas does not automatically make you a resident of the state in which the mailbox is located
>>2464952>If you left the US entirely you needn't be a resident of any state.Don't give people advice about things you don't understand.
>>2465053I have been a bona fide foreign resident for over five years, I think I understand perfectly.
>>2462144The deal is: is it still possible to find rare and beautiful locations to migrate to within the US ? To live the rest of your life in peace.
>>2465057Kek whatever mane. If you really think that state residency cannot possibly be voided by foreign residency I don't know what to tell you. Clearly you have never been an expat
>>2465051>but for most states physical presence is the major defining feature of residencyit's an and/or situation. having a drivers license and being registered to vote fulfills most conditions. now, you may need to be physically present for a certain period of time to ESTABLISH residency (which is why SD is popular because its only a 24 hour period), but once you have it, it's yours. the only time anyone would try to claim differently is if the revenue department of say, california or new york, caught wind of you living and working in those states and wanted to come after you for their tax money. SD or TX or TN etc will never say "oh you aren't living here, you aren't a resident" if you hold the correct paper.
>>2465089Right, I guess we don't fundamentally disagree here. You are saying 'merely being overseas was not enough to disestablish state residency in my case' and I am saying 'it is generally possible to disestablish state residency by being a foreign resident'. I am unfamiliar with the details for each state so can't speak beyond my own experience (Oregon). For me it was enough to pass the physical presence test, I believe, although there were other things I did that made the 'preponderance of evidence' clearly in my favor.
>>2465096i'm expressing that 'residency' is a gray concept that is, in many instances, decoupled from your physical presence. i don't know your situation but i can't think of a reason to completely disestablish residency in any state as opposed to changing residency to one of the more beneficial/convenient states. if you aren't getting taxed either way, whats the difference?
>>2465055Go to Montana or Idaho.
>>2465106If you live in an income tax state, and you are moving overseas, you can reduce your state income tax rate to zero by that alone without first making a trip to SD or Nevada or wherever else and establishing residency there. If you already live in a zero income tax state, you are correct it doesnt really make a difference except -There are two ways to qualify for foreign earned income exclusion on federal taxes. 1) bona fide foreign resident 2) physical presence test. Physical presence says you qualify for federal tax reduction if you are overseas for ≥330 days in the calendar year regardless of your legal status in the foreign nation(s). If you took a 31 day trip to see your parents in the US, you would be disqualified. Bona fide foreign resident is a more subjective measure that basically says if you are a full time, legal resident of a specific foreign country and that is the true center of your life, you qualify for the federal tax reduction. If you took a few trips to the US in a calendar year totaling >30 days, it shouldn't effect your bona fide foreign resident status as long as they were clearly short term leisure or business trips.I am not sure how Bona Fide Foreign Residence and state residence conflict, if at all, if you have residence in a no income tax state. In principle being a state resident would conflict with your claim to the foreign country being the true center of your life, but if you're not paying state income tax Im not sure there's any way this would even come up.
>>2465144Do you not have an American drivers license anymore?
>>2465155I have an unexpired one from before I left the country. If I renew it that would re-establish my residency in the state of renewal. But I have foreign drivers license now anyway
>>2463694My buddy is on a road trip and drove through Portland. He said there were bums absolutely everywhere and it was dirty. He usually gets out and checks out wherever he is but he just drove straight through Portland. He's in San Francisco now and he's says that's the most beautiful city he's ever seen in the u.s.
I'm an overseas defense contractor and I live in a very income tax state. I don't pay on what I make overseas, our employer doesn't even make us fill out state W-4's.
>>2462550portland is a shithole. I went there in 2018 and it was bad then. It's terrible now. Pic is the portland apple store kek.
>>2465053>>2465057>>2465059New anon here, I lived overseas in Germany not paying U.S taxes but I was still considered a non resident of Pennsylvania the entire time. I would do Pennsylvania taxes each year which was.basically me just telling them I'm exempt. Not really sure what you guys are arguing about
>>2465324what a waste of piss
>>2465246Right because you have no obligation to. If you live in a foreign country for more than a year and pay state income tax you are stoopid.>>2465324I made the original post saying you dont need to be a resident of any state or pay state income taxes if you live overseas. One anon rightfully pointed out that some states may still claim you as a resident. If you live overseas and pay ANY state income tax, you fucked up, but as a practical matter anon is right Im sure some states might try to claim you.Why another anon said I dont know what Im talking about and then refused to elaborate, Im not sure. Conflicted between calling him a retard or a chad.
>>2465240LMAO SF is 10x dirtier than Portland. Literal shit and needles on every street in SF
>>2464987>bend isn't as liberal as you think It's probably 40% conservatives but the liberals are ultra progressive insane people
>>2465318It is a shithole, but it offers more worthwhile urban area while still being somewhat less of a shithole than most US cities.
>>2465372I was also in Sf last year and it was fine aside from the tenderloin. I don't know what you're talking about.
>>2465389thisI really enjoyed portland, the layout is fun. It's sad to see it heading the direction it is, but either way it holds a special place in my heart
>>2465372>>2465417Yeah, the Tenderloin is one small area. Downtown Portland is bigger and is just as shitty as the Tenderloin. The rest of SF (besides Mission) was clean and great I thought. There is no respite in the PDX area, even Lake O is starting to get sketch in areas.
>>2464737Driving along the Columbia River Gorge is great. The Gorge Amphitheatre is also a great spot to go to a concert.>>2464785Ever heard of sales tax?>>2464987>Montana is probably still better because it's never going to be pozzedNah mate, my buddy works construction in Townsend and every home sold in that area last summer was sold to a Californian (some of them sight unseen). Missoula is a fucking cesspool and has always had the reputation of a Little Portland. Bozeman is becoming a hot spot for yuppie faggot liberals and remote workers. The only place in Montana that will never be pozzed is the east (Billings) and the north central (Great Falls and Havre) because no one fucking wants to move there and the only people who live there are retard oil/railroad fags or meth head indians. In fact, before we had New Jersey Gianforte we had a dem governor, and before him another dem governor. It's just a matter of time before we have another one once more out of staters come in, and the retard boomers who vote for out of state politicians die.t. Montanan
>>2465109>Montana or IdahoAnywhere you'd actually want to live in either of those states are absolutely fucked in terms of housing and they won't be able to find a reasonable place to live without being a millionaire.
Does anyone in or around Everett want to be my friend? I don't have any and It sucks.
>>2462144Only sheltered chudtards think that pnw cities are somehow the WORST cities in the usa. I mean, fucking really bro? Touch some grass.>t. Lives in east cleveland
>>2465695a shit city surrounded by beautiful nature is somehow worse, because you knew it could have been a utopia if it wasn't for several factors a shit city in a shit boring location isn't nearly as offensive, since you can understand why its shit
>>2465700go outside retard
just left hoh rainforest yesterday which was beautiful and spending the last day in seattle. its nothing but fucking restaurants here. do people just eat expensive food all day to pass the time?
>>2465763there's parks and shopping places too, the university of washington campus is a nice place to take walks and picnic if you want to. But other than that there's nothing to do, same with most cities in america
>>2465662Your account of Montana is really depressing. It seemed like the perfect place to live being far enough from any big liberal cities and having amazing nature. I was keeping an eye on Missoula as a place to move to, but yea, it seems too expensive.
>>2465318The time's gonna come one day when I get to turkeyshoot every mother lovin one of them bums I coom hard just thinking about it.
So let's be real how does Portland compare to a real shithole like Newark or Baltimore. It's not in the same level right?
>>2465695Yeah they're better than everything in the Midwest kek. The quality of life is so much better and nature is actually beautiful not just souless
>>2466160Portland has zero nigger no go zones and near zero violent crime like muggings or shootings. The difference between Portland and the cities with black crime is that those cities have de facto segregation. Black hoods are outright dangerous, downtown may be so-so, but other hoods are generally crime free. Portland OTOH has pervasive homeless wanderers in every neighborhood within what would be considered 'the city'. So there is pervasive property crime and a general unpleasantness from having crazies around. If you are a visitor or even if you just live in the burbs and are coming in to enjoy the city, unless you're going specifically to downtown it's not something you will really have an issue with. But if you live within the urban area it can be troublesome.
>>2466160Kek not at all. Homeless people outside of restaurant and businesses doing fine instead of homeless druggies outside of closed stores and decades empty factories
>>2466268give it time
the PNW sucks. The literal one redeeming quality is the nature. The people are awful, the weather is awful, and the culture is fucked because of SWEs that completely killed everything cool with their lack of taste. Just save yourself the trouble and visit during the summer
>>2465886Montana is fine. Missoula and Bozeman will never outweigh Billings, Butte, Great Falls and the Flathead. Bozeman barely outweighs the rest of Gallatin County lmao.Helena is pretty split but distinctly leans red unless it’s someone like Bullock. Everything else is red except for places like Glacier County or Deer Lodge, but nobody lives there so it doesn’t matter. The state overall is getting more conservative, not less.
I actually liked Montana better before it was Trump Country. I’m glad it’s never gonna get cucked or pozzed like Idaho is going to be, but MAGAtards are annoying and the belligerence has skyrocketed.
A lot of people move here and don't realize how far everything is from you. You think, PNW but don't think about how most of the cool shit is 5hours of driving at least away. You're in the city 99% of the time because you can't find the time to go do the things you moved here to do. Even if you live rurally, you're close to one cool place, but the others are now 5+ hours away lolIt's a place to visit? Northern Seattle is still a cool city to be in, the Columbia gorge is worth visiting, but having lived there the winter ice storms are terrifying.All roads shut down with an inch of ice on every surface that can happen without warning. Genuinely California has a better setup for having much more access.
>>2462147Seattle is one of the few cities in amierica that is extrmely bus accessible, as long as you don't go to queen anne or ballard
I like seattle because I can rawdog and cum inside of gorgeous korean trafficked sex workers for ~$150 dollars
>>2466635>You think, PNW but don't think about how most of the cool shit is 5hours of driving at least away.This is complete bullshit. I live in Central Oregon and I'm a fifteen minute bus ride from the ski resort, a ten minute bike ride from the river (which is a very nice float and very nice to fly fish). I'm less than an hours drive from about a dozen alpine lakes and peaks and within a two hours drive of both Crater Lake and Mt. Hood. I can pick up the Oregon portion of the PCT within an hours drive in three different places.Hell I can be at the coast in less than four hours.You're just flat out wrong on this and should admit it.
>>2466641post locations NOW
>>2462300>Is that...a highway?.....AAAAAAA I'M GOING INSAAAANEE
>>2466607Who would you rather live around
>>2466261Didn't violent crime massively increase since Floyd summer? From what I hear there is genuine violence now. A little goes a long way. A hundred shootings in coontown versus 4 against normal people makes a big difference.
>>2467056Yes in percentage terms but there is still very little violent crime and its not against innocents its criminal vs criminal or homeless vs homeless generally
>>2462146No no Seattlites are passive aggressive nebish neurotic shits that act like if the wind blew on them the wrong way they would just crumble like a house of cards. There are no nice parts of Seattle no matter how clean it is no matter how many flowers there are no matter how many auaint little plants you put in your window because there are no people in Seattle just these creatures these caricatures that goes for most cities in all of Washington and I would include Portland Oregon as well and surrounding suburbs
>>2466160Portland is like 90% white. There's very very little violent crime. It's just dirty downtown and has lots of hobos and junkies