Post your travel maps in this thread. Pic related is the official /trv/ Real Traveler's map™, edition 4.0.3Fill in the countries and subdivisions you have visited, talk about your map and ask others about their maps. You can use the map however you like, the colors are more like suggestions, you don't have to use them, and you don't have to use all of them. You can add or remove colors and change the map as much as you want in any way you want. Don't like this map? Upload a completely different one. Up to you. Despite what some might say, there's no "wrong" way to use the map. This map is a group effort by our board, and we can only improve it if people reach out to share suggestions or corrections.
This map comes with "DLC", which are optional regions you can add for a few select countries. It's hard to make a good Real Traveler's Map without having some regions be too small or too large, or sometimes the official divisions are not perfect for a traveler for whatever reason. Up to you if you want to change one or more countries. Feel free to add or suggest others if you want.
There's also the Ultra Deluxe Autism Edition, with second level subdivisions for the USA, Canada, Russia, China and India. This was made as a one-off and won't be updated regularly. It's accurate as of March 2023, if you spot a mistake, please notify OP and it'll be fixed. Changelog for US and Canada:https://archive.4plebs.org/trv/thread/2337267/#2342099There's also this map:https://archive.4plebs.org/trv/thread/2427017/#2427024with more second level subdivisions, but I haven't gone over it and can't guarantee its accuracy.I combined it all into one map for simplicity. Link to the individual countries here:>US and Canadahttps://i.imgur.com/cU5xf8N.png>Russiahttps://i.imgur.com/WvR20fF.png>Chinahttps://i.imgur.com/cXZls4F.png>Indiahttps://i.imgur.com/oOInCV5.png
Instructions on how to use the map, courtesy of Dutch Anon.How do you fill in the map? It's very easy. You only need to use two buttons, which I have circled in red.Say you want to colour a specific region light red, you click the tool that I marked B, and you'll see your cursor takes the shape of that tool. Then you left click the colour you want to use, i.e. the big circle. You'll notice that colour 1, which I marked C, changes to light red.If you repeat this process but you RIGHT click a coloured circle instead of left clicking it, you will select the colour as colour 2. Let's click dark red. This way you can have both shades of red selected at the same time, which makes colouring in the map more convenient, especially when doing big countries.Now you select the tool which I marked A. Let's get to colouring. Say you want to colour Indiana in light red and you want to colour Ohio in dark red. Easy. Left click Indiana and right click Ohio.
Finally, here's my map. Since the last time I posted I visited the Azores, which brings my total of visited countries up to 35 (32 UN, 3 non-UN). I only visited São Miguel, the largest island, but it was unironically paradise and it's high on my list of priorities to go back and visit the other eight islands. Make the Azores your next holiday destination if you know what's good for you.As for future travel plans, money is a bit tight at the moment, so this summer I'm just going to travel within my own country. Thinking of doing a road trip to some of the counties in Western and Central Norway that I've never been to.
>>2458998I changed my definition of "knowing" a place from "a place I spent at least two nights" for "a place where I went there to have a good time", which included Algarve and Extramadura and excluded Ciudad del Este (went there for shopping) plus Frankfurt and Berlin (stopovers)
I love this map so much you have no idea. Still working on collecting all European subdivisions by bicycle.
>>2458998working on getting my Asian travels complete now that the virus bullshit is over with. Thinking of going to Japan soon
More like official /trv/ autism thread
>>2458998What an ibvious fucking glownigger datamining thread.Frens, do not comply. Do not tell them which countries you visited. Fill in a fake list.
>>2459020Based. When are you coming to Norway mate?>>2459037Well, yes. And that's a good thing.
>>2459054A Scandinavia trip is on my to-do list for this fall or winter. Would love to get Murmansk Oblast on the way but travelling there is a little messy right now with Russia still shitting the bed.
>>2459073Keep in mind that the absolute failure that is the Norwegian county reform will be partially reversed in 2024, and 11 counties will become 15. You'll probably want to visit all the parts of the same county that will split so you can say you've been to all of them. The border with Russia appears to still be open, but who knows what it looks like half a year from now. You can't cross on foot, but a bicycle will do, so that won't be a problem for you.
>>2459088>The border with Russia appears to still be open.Apparently it is but I have a feeling they might come up with some bullshit reason to deny me entry (or even worse, arrest while in the country). It's highly unusual for Westerners to travel to Russia these, let alone by land and bicycle. I also have a couple Ukrainian stamps in my passport which the Russians may not like.Plus credit cards won't work inside the country.>Keep in mind that the absolute failure that is the Norwegian county reform will be partially reversed in 2024, and 11 counties will become 15.Link to what they will look like in the future?
My most notable trip so far was Kenya, to which I'm returning this summer for a whole month. Amazing country, it blew my expectations out of the water. Fast internet everywhere, smooth highways (courtesy of the CCP), and hospitable people. Not to mention the safari experience with a view of Mt. Kilimanjaro.
>>2459119>Link to what they will look like in the future?It should basically look like this. Can't say for sure until 2024 though, the government we have now are so incredibly inept that it wouldn't surprise me if they find a way to fuck it up.
My next trip starts next June and should take about 11 months. Without getting into unnecessary detail the plan is to take the train for our overland route the whole way with 2 single exceptions (One is the Caspian sea cargo ship). Trip was inspired by the "world longest train route" but Russia is being a pest so we made an alternate but nearly as long route. Rough Breakdown:Total expected cost for my wife and I: $36,000 leaf bux. Ireland: 1 weekPortugal: 1 weekRemainder of Europe: 25 daysTurkey: 2 MonthsGeorgia: 2 weeksAzerbaijan & Ferry: approx 1 weekKazakhstan: 3 weeksChina: 2-3 weeksLaos: 1 weekCambodia: 3 weeksThailand: 3 weeksMalaysia: 10 daysSingapore: 3 daysIndonesia: 1 monthPhilippines: 1 monthTaiwan: 2 weeks
>>2458998Nothing in yellow, because I have no concrete plans yet.In January, I'll either go west to Spain, Mexico, Guatemala, and maybe the Dominican Republic, or I'll go east to Thailand, Cambodia, and maybe Vietnam. I'd also like to go to Turkey, and maybe Ethiopia at some point.
>>2459018> Brussels in yellowPlease don't do it anon, you'll only be disgusted by it. Go visit Ghent or Bruges instead. Hell, even Antwerp is better than that steaming hot shitpile.
>>2459247I am not an expert on Central Asia, but I think Kazakhstan is quite devoid of tourist stuff. I would stay there 1 week only and 2 weeks in Uzbekistan>>2459512But I will follow /trv/ advice: go there, stay 2 days (one for arriving and one for knowing it properly), avoid Molenbeek and leave. I think I can endure that.
>>2459512Seconding this. Brussels will leave you with a bad impression of Belgium. Go anywhere except Brussels, Charleroi, or Liège and you'll have a blast. In my opinion Ghent is the nicest city in the whole country.
>>2459247Fascinating! I personally wouldn't mind a more detailed itinerary.
Thanks for making this thread, it's been a while!
>>2459018>"a place I spent at least two nights">"a place where I went to have a good time"By either of these definitions, you can never visit the Vatican city :^)
>>2460100>"a place I spent at least two nights">By either of these definitions, you can never visit the Vatican city :^)>not bumming around for 48 hours on St. Peters squareI did this. I'm a REAL Traveler™ after all, not a normie tourist.
>>2460100That two nights rule wasn't applied in microstates. Back then I did an exception to Monaco. Also, I only consider that I visited BOT and not UK because it would be unfair puttting it because I've only been in Gibraltar.
Muh map. Any recommendations for a new country?>>2459123Tell me more about Kenya, really fancy an east Africa trip.>>2459247Great route.>>2459003>that huge Russia god damn I want to add that to my map so badly.
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>>2460468>quebec
>>2460143>he didn't learn Latin for his Vatican holiday>he didn't couchsurf at the Pope's private residenceFucking plebs I swear
>>2460446>Any recommendations for a new country?The Balkans perhaps? Albania is the cheapest country in Europe and has tons of sights.>Tell me more about KenyaNot him, but I've been to Kenya too. Nairobi is the worst city I've ever been to, horribly polluted and unsafe, and without a single sight worth seeing. The rest of the country is quite lovely, especially the coast. I recommend going up to Lamu, comfy small seaside town. It's close to Somalia and the area around it can be a bit dodgy, but Lamu Town itself is safe. There are loads of national parks where you can go on safaris, but each charge their own hefty entrance fee, so unless you want to sink all your money into that, research beforehand what you want to see. It's not really my thing, I only went to Maasai Mara for a couple of days, so I can't offer much advice. Lastly, when I was there some years ago, they offered a visa that let you visit not only Kenya, but several of their neighbours in East Africa. I never did it (which I regret of course), but you could look into that if you want to squeeze more countries into a single trip.>>2460468Why did you live in Bishkek?
>>2460446Anon you quoted here. I definitely recommend checking out Kenya and catching a safari or two. Like the other anon said, there's not much to see in Nairobi and some central neighbourhoods give off an unsafe vibe. we never had any actual issues though. I expected a lot of beggars in Nairobi coming after us because I'm white but that also never happened. Nairobi was the main spot where we stayed (airbnb is good in Nairobi, we had a very pretty and spacious appartment), but we hardly did anything there except go to an elephant orphanage to watch the elephants get fed (recommended, you can pet the elephants and take pictures with them). We also did a short safari in Nairobi NP. We got very close to a rhino and its kid but the main thing that stuck with me was seeing all these safari animals with the Nairobi skyline on the horizon. I went with a Kenyan who lives in Flanders, which really enhanced the experience as they know the ins and outs of Kenya. We went to visit friends and family and got to meet all kinds of interesting people, like a former Mau Mau insurgent.The highlight of the trip was a multi-day safari in Amboseli NP, which has some breathtaking sights of Mt. Kilimanjaro. It's a massive mountain surrounded by plains, because of which you can clearly see the mountain loom over you even from dozens of kilometers away. After that we visited a Masai hut village, but you can't go without an appointment and paying them. I only went for 10 days last time which was far too short to get a good overview of the whole country, my trip this summer will be much longer. I definitely recommend taking a private driver with a safari-fit car. It's very expensive but will allow you to see much more of the country than you would with your own rental car or Uber.If you have any specific questions feel free to ask.
I prefer the version of map developed by Japanese, which differentiate between "transit through", "touched ground", "toured", "overnighted", "lived"
>>2460446What do you think about Shandong?
>>2460810>Why did you live in Bishkek?I work for an economic development agency and was assigned there for 9 months. My next assignment will most likely be Kenya so I can fill in a bit of East Africa.Shit paying industry but I get paid to travel.
>>2460881Personally I really enjoyed it but that's partly coloured by the fact my ex was from there so whenever we visited it was fun seeing her family and hanging around the rural areas. Got some surprisingly nice mountains and forest.
>>2460877Have you got a blank of this?
>>2461199kek, i read the comment before the thread starter
>>2458998not visiting all the places in yellow im just debating between them on these factors>historical/cultural sites>natural sites and mountain hiking/climbing>coomingwill 3 weeks paid vacation to go to one of them
>>2461227People improperly filling their map trigger me so much
Visited Morocco in February, doing more Kyrgyzstan and tacking on a bit of Kazakhstan this summer if all goes well.Should quit my job and start biking though.
31 and never travelled but I rage quit the wagie life a while back and got all the time and money I could ever need. This is the start of my plans just from next month up to October (not one continuous trip). I have already booked quite a bit of it so basically it's happening for real
>>2458998Any ideas for where to visit next guys? I really like historical sites and the ocean
>>2462067afghanistan
>>2461735>but I rage quit the wagie life a while back and got all the time and money I could ever needHow?
>>2461512Nice fucking map brother. Is there any story to why you went to the US and only visited Alaska?
>>2462388Nothing special, I just mean I have enough money to not work and travel for the next few years and go everywhere I could ever want to (at the end I will either need to work again or just kms because that sounds like hell). I owned a house for 4 years and the price went up +40% and I sold, and the rest of my savings were in the stock market during the 0% interest rates and infinite money printing era (I stopped worked 2 years ago)
>>2462818It was part of a 5-week Canada-Alaska trip, nothing out of the ordinary.
>>2461199something like this?
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not exactly a well traveled guy but im poor :)im thinking about going to SEA next year, any specific recommendations or places to avoid? thinking philippines and hopefully vietnamyellow is getting visited this summer
>>2465153Come KyrgyzstanBinland welcome :^)
>>2465153>im thinking about going to SEA next yearWhat's your interests (besides cooming of course)? I haven't been to the Philippines or Vietnam, but if you ever find yourself in Thailand I can recommend Ayutthaya, their old capital. Massive place that'll take a day or more to explore.
Plan on exploring more of Thailand next month and hopefully go to Hong Kong and China in September. It's been fun to travel a bit again.>>2463633It's a nice idea, but those colours are a real eyesore.
>>2465232>Thailand next monthGo to Ayutthaya like I told the other guy too. Chiang Mai is also a real treat, much more relaxed than Bangkok.
pretty poorly travelled, sans the family holidays of youth. Just returned from Stockholm which was really cool for a week, planning Vienna & Budapest with a friend/ the South of Ireland with GF going from NI. Where should I add to my list of basic bitch destinations that are essential to be /trv/pilled?
>>2465594Travelling within your own country is typically more expensive than regular life, whereas trips overseas can often be cheaper so we forgo local travel in favour of international less often than we want. Now that more budget airlines have come to Canada, me and the wife take so many more little trips around with the deals. Next weekend we are taking a 4 day trip in Halifax (We live in Vancouver) just because flights are cheap, later this year we are also going to Montreal. Last year we used budget airlines to do Ottawa, Winnipeg, Calgary, New York trips. All were just long weekend trips to see the top 5 list in each kinda thing. All that to say, if you feel personally undertraveled...just use Ryan air to visit every major city in Europe for weekend trips. Don't worry about TRV approved locations, just go nuts. You are lucky to have such easy access, use it without being picky. Flights for you are probably $15 Euro or whatever bs. Pop into a city for the weekend, see the top 5 things on trip advisor and hit another capital next month.
>>2459020Profoundly based. How do you find the time though? Biking takes a while. How many kilometres per day do you average?
>>2459045nah it's fun
>>2459034Ah, you're the motorcycle guy right?
>>2459195ayo?
>>2460446Albania.
>>2465153>poorHey, at least you've left your continent!
Here's mine!I took the liberty of adding a colour to distinguish between countries and regions I'm planning to go to. All my plans are for this summer. I'll fly to Montenegro (where I will hopefully meet Luke Smith) with a "layover" of a few days in Poland and then buy either a bicycle or moped and somehow make my way to Belgrade to fly out after 14 days.
>>2465882>How do you find the time though?I've been on neetbux/autismbux ever since I dropped out of college ten years ago.>How many kilometres per day do you average?140 or 150 maybe. I'm currently working on a google map showing all my trips, daily kilometers and places I slept at. Will probably post a link in the next Real Traveler™ thread.>Profoundly based.Thank you.
OP did amazing work in creating this map and its variations, which I totally disregard.
>>2465902Good stuff. What are the neetbux conditions in your country? If neetbux would entail unlimited travel I think I'd consider it lmao
>>2465925502 Euros plus money for rent and heating each month.>If neetbux would entail unlimited travel I think I'd consider it lmaoCycling is cheap.
>>2465523Would love to man, but the trip is already planned. Gonna be in Chiang Mai, Sukothai, Lop Buri, Bangkok and Pattaya. It's me and one other person, so can't really change the plans this late. But switching out Lop Buri with Ayutthaya seems like a good choice.
>>2459794Sorry, took me a while.Hopefully this is what you were looking for.Not fully planned but: 1 Week in Southern Ireland (Family is there)1 Month in Europe: I have never been to Europe myself while my wife has so it’s really just a capitals tour as we make our way through. Porto > Lisbon > Madrid > Paris > Brussels > Cologne > Berlin > Prauge > Krakow > Budapest > Bucharest2 Months in Turkey: Istanbul > Canakkale > Bergama > Izmir > Denizli > Some undetermined costal town south of Denizli > Antalya > Konya > Goreme > Askaray > Gizantep > Sanliurfa > Mardin > Trabzon > Uzungol > Trabzon > Istanbul > Ankara > Kars2 Weeks in Georgia: Unknown Exactly. Something like Batumi > Kutaisi > Tbilisi. I dunno1 Week in Azerbaijan: Just to catch the cargo ship to Kazakhstan. 3 Weeks in Kazakhstan: Not finished planning yet. Akatau > Baikonur/Turkestan Corridor > Astana > Almaty2-3 Weeks in China: Urumqi > Kashgar > Xining > Lhasa > Chengdu > Kunming1 Week in Laos: Passing through mostly. Seems pretty meh.3 Weeks in Cambodia: Get off the train and head here for a break. Do the loop. All the typical 'white girl find yourself' trip shit. 3 Weeks in Thailand proper: Still planning. Bangkok > Down the Coast, unknown > Maybe Phuket > ?? 1.5 Weeks in Malaysia: Still planning. Mostly we will probably just stop wherever the train passes through desu. Few days in Singapore: See whats up. Eat that Michelin star $1 chicken 1 Month in Indonesia: Still planning. Hop over from Singapore and head down the island chain towards Bali/Lombok. 1 Month in Philippines: Still planning. Hit places like Manilla, El Nido, Coron, Borocay. I dunno yet. 2 Weeks in Taiwan: Still planning. Start in Taipei, essentially do a loop of the island. Anyone, let me know if some where is good or shitty. Mostly our route is guided by our desire to take the train from Portugal to Singapore (best we can) so any suggestions that we detour to Zambia go right into the trash.
>>2465887hey whats up
>>2465902>I've been on neetbux/autismbux ever since I dropped out of college ten years ago.What issues do you have, if you don't mind the question? >>2466092>switching out Lop Buri with AyutthayaAs much as I like Ayutthaya, Lopburi is amazing, and I'd hate for you to skip it.
>>2466673>colouring in all of China because he went to Hong Kong and all of the UK including NI because he went to London Autism
>>2466816>fellow City of London, occupied Hong Kong and Ireland discriminatorbased
>>2466816Didn't ask.
>>2466816That's the point of the different shades though. If he just colored Hong Kong, we'd never see it, because it's so small. Stop complaining and post your own map instead.
I'm on a laptop and can't be assed to fill it out, but cool concept op
>>2466816Even the original version of the map works that way, you jar of dried foreskins.
>>2466673>>2466816I>>2459018did Gibraltar and I didn't put UK, but I put all BOT. It was a fair solution.
>>2460871How much should a private driver cost for a week or so?>>2460810>>2465888Okay, that's 2 recommendations for Albania and it's also a good destination to run for airline status. Give me the qrd if you have a sec!
>>2467351>Give me the qrd if you have a sec!I actually haven't been, so I can't offer any personal advice, I've just heard people talking about it and it seems like a lovely place.
Need to plan something for my summer vacation
>>2467925Go to Finland :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDMight as well finish off all the Nordic countries, seeing as you've got the rest of them.Alternatively: do 100% completion on Germany/France/Netherlands, since you're so close.
>>2467925Go somewhere very different for a change, seeing as you've mostly stayed in Europe.Morocco, Tanzania, Uzbekistan, Oceania, or Canada.
>>2467925afghanistan
>>2467925Finland+Baltics?, Since it's so close to you, little bit cheaper, and you haven't been. I'm going there next month (from England so not really that far for me either)
>>2467925Serbia. Belgrad is an underrated city. Nis also seems interesting. Plus: pljeskavica, pljeskavica everywhere.
>>2467925>Rondonia in BrazilHuefag here. How was there?
>>2467925Seconding Finland and Baltics. Close to you, cheap, beautiful women, friendly people, plus four new countries to your list.
>>2458998I had fun making this due to my autism, thanks>>2459018You should explore more of the USA>>2459034I'm jealous>>2459123Did you see any cool wildlife?>>2459247Would do stuff like this if I ever won the lottery or something, very jealous>>2460446>Any recommendations for a new country?GreeceDo YOU anons have any recommendations for where I should go on my next trip after Hungary and Poland? Lets say a 2 or 3 week trip
>>2468272>GreeceNoted, thanks mate. Now for you, what stuff do you like to do on holidays?
>>2468274>Now for you, what stuff do you like to do on holidays?I like looking at cool architecture, visiting ancient ruins, going to museums, trying local food, exploring the nightlife of new cities with friends I make at hostels. I also like cool nature stuff, mountains, caves, forests, wildlife, etc. So, just basic travel activities I suppose. Usually a trip will be entirely devoted to cities and culture or entirely devoted to nature, but I'll mix it up if I can. Also I hate driving, I prefer going places that I can get around by train or bus.I hope this rambling response makes sense
>>2468272>Only been to Agder in NorwayCool, but why? >Do YOU anons have any recommendations for where I should go on my next tripThe Azores are only a few hours away, there are direct flights from Boston. Don't know how easy it is to get around by public transport, but the nature is spectacular. 2-3 weeks is perfect if you visit several islands, but 3 weeks on just São Miguel might be a bit too much.
>>2468299>Only been to Agder in NorwayBecause I'm dumb and that's where I thought Oslo was. I've updated the map. I went on a North Sea cruise with my family when I was 15 that went to Bruges, Oslo, and Copenhagen. It was supposed to stop in Helsingborg, Sweden but the weather prevented. Its the only cruise I've been on>>2468299>The AzoresThanks for this recommendation, never even considered it but thats a good idea
>>2468302>Because I'm dumb and that's where I thought Oslo wasKek, honest mistake >never even considered it but thats a good ideaYeah, it goes under the radar because of how remote it is I assume, but it's honestly the most beautiful place I've been. When you say you "hate" driving, how bad is it? Because having a car there was extremely practical. I'm a shit driver that didn't even know how to drive two years ago and I managed, so I think you'll be fine too, but the streets are narrow and knowing how to parallell park will come in handy. Road quality is good and the other drivers are patient though.
>>2468311Bad enough that I am trying my hardest to move someplace where I'll never have to drive again. A terrible mixture of anxiety and ADHD makes it very unpleasant, since it requires so much focus and I constantly worry about making a life ending mistake. Maybe I'll go if I have a friend or girlfriend who is willing to drive.
>>2468314Well, I'm not going to dissuade you from going there, it's not like a car is mandatory, buses did exist there. Most of my own travels are from when I didn't even have a license and took buses and trains everywhere, I got around in places with way worse infrastructure than the Azores lol. It'll be fine. If you travel with someone and they rent a car though, pack light and rent the tiniest car you can. Road quality is good enough that a small car will get around just fine, and it'll help massively when driving in the cities and parking.
>>2468302Go to New England god damn. One of the best vacation areas in the US.
I haven't been to many places
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>>2459247>Turkey: 2 MonthsLMAO what the fuck are you retards thinking?t. Turk
>>2460468>Another canada chinkwhen will the CCP finally annex them?
>>2466100I cannot understand why you would spend 2 months in Turkey out of all places, especially if you have never been to Europe yourself...You're missing out on all of Scandinavia (which you could visit via cheap flight without adding much more extra costs) for example. Instead you want to visit Goreme? Mardin? Uzungol? why would you spend such a big part of your tour in this shithole, you will not see anything different if you stick to cities anyways, they are all literally the same except for size. The culture is very homogenous unlike European cities were you have artistic hubs and stuff. The only difference you'll encounter will be if you go into rural places and those will all just be poor mudhuts and sand tarps.
>>2468914He will be richer in lira on the last day than the first day???profit
>>2468919I'm white, cunt
>>2468904What were you doing in NC? Not a lot here as a tourist destination.
>>2468933Had to spend 2 days in Charlotte when my airline decided to be incompetent pajeets and my ticket suddenly lost validation. Surprisingly small town given how big your airport is.
>>2468948Lol, Charlotte is the largest city in NC. Doesn't mean much to people outside of NC or to locals who travel a lot, but for other locals Charlotte feels pretty large.I live in Raleigh but Charlotte is alright.
>>2468998I mean it has like 800k people or so, not saying it's some backwater village but considering your airport is London Heathrow tier it's weird that it's located in a city that doesn't even break 1M inhabitants.
>>2469038It's probably a big hub for connecting flights. And everyone who lives in NC probably drives there when flying, so it services far outside the city.
>>2469038Yea it's a big American Airlines hub which is why.
>>2466100>3 Weeks in Kazakhstan: Not finished planning yet. Akatau > Baikonur/Turkestan Corridor > Astana > AlmatyDon't go from Turkestan to Astana, go to Almaty first instead.You can then take a much more frequent and faster connection to Astana from Almaty.If you have time, you may want to consider going via Uzbekistan instead, much more to see on that route without the need for expensive Baikonur tours.
>>2468272Thanks for the kind words bro. We are lucky/privileged enough to be able to do a trip like this because we both sort of won the middle class lottery in life. Neither of us has debt and it helps that my wife aren't big spenders. We both have professional-ish jobs (I am an engineer, she is a research scientist), so we are blessed in that we make decent enough money (we don't make dickbag financebro money, our household income is something like $140k leafbux/yr) that's more than we need by a long shot. We put a lot of work into saving and planning. >>24689141. The train I want to take goes through it2. Turbo Autism and my rockcock obsession with pre-pottery neolithic shit. 3. Cheap4. Roman shit. 5. FoodIn that order. >>2468924>Our route is guided by our desire to take the train from Portugal to Singapore (best we can) so any suggestions that we detour to Zambia go right into the trash.1. Exploring all of Europe is literally not the point of the trip. Like going to the grocery store to buy ingredients for pancakes and some dude spergs on you in the checkout line why he thinks breakfast is stupid and you should be buying salmon and artichokes. 2. I would rather travel for 2 months than 3 weeks for the same price. Last trip we spent 3 weeks in the Galapagos and 3 months in India for the same reason. 3. I live somewhere without mudhuts and sand tarps... so I would like to see those. That's literally the whole point of travelling, see different things. >>2468925fingers crossed it works that way
>>2469160kk, noted for the Turkestan>Almaty>Astana Route. My thoughts were around avoiding having to backtrack to Almaty to continue to Urumqi, but if they are that much more common, maybe its worth it. Regarding Uzbekistan, people keep recommending I go that way, but the train situation seems so much more complicated, and significantly more difficult if we go from Baku > Turkmenbashi first. Otherwise we have to go Kazakhstan>Uzbekistan>Kazakhstan and I don't know if standard tourist visas will let us do multiple entry or if we need to get multiple visas. Every time I look at adjusting the route I get overwhelmed but I will give it another look.
>>2469203You don't need a visa for either Kazakhstan or Uzbekistan, assuming you're a Canuck.Doing KZ-UZ-KZ wouldn't be a problem, did that many times.You can go from Atyrau to Uzbekistan via Beyneu and Nukus, I think there are daily trains between the two places.From Nukus you can go down through Khiva, Bukhara and Samarkand to Tashkent, from where you can go back to Shymkent/Turkestan.You can do stopovers at any of the cities, there are multiple trains linking them every day.Having done both the Kazakh and Uzbek route multiple times, I'd fully recommend the Uzbek route for a first time visitor unless you really like spending more than 48 hours in a train through the desert/steppe.
>>2469203>My thoughts were around avoiding having to backtrack to Almaty to continue to UrumqiI think there used to be trains to China from both Almaty and Astana but I'm not sure if they're back on track yet.Definitely go kupe/soft sleeper on the KZ-CN train, the platzkart/hard sleeper compartments on these trains are awful, especially if you're unlucky enough to have the top berth.
>>2469211Ok, I will very seriously look into this now. Thanks for the suggestion with actual names of places to help me wrap my mind around it. Thanks bro>>2469213That would make it easy, if we could start our trip into china from either. So much changed with routes in and out of places with covid, I am hoping that this comes back or at least info gets updated on it.
>>2469222No problem, glad to help a fellow train autist, especially for a region I know well.Here are some links to train schedules for your route (Russian only but easily translated if needed):https://poezdato.net/raspisanie-poezdov/mangyshlak--bejneu/ (Atyrau-Beyneu)https://poezdato.net/raspisanie-poezdov/bejneu--nukus/ (Beyneu-Nukus)https://poezdato.net/raspisanie-poezdov/nukus--tashkent/ (Nukus to rest of Uzbekistan)
>>2469238Alright, we already talked about it and we are changing the route. Thanks to you, and also adding another week to spend more time because Uzbekistan looks awesome. Solid recommendation bro, I am excited to see the area.
>>2469431If you don't know about it yet make sure to check out Caravanistan and their forums, at the moment they're the best English resource on Central Asia travel.
Map makes me feel like I haven't seen shit.Oh well I saw two new states recently and I'm going to Belgium and France this summer.Bon voyage /trv/
my map looking kinda bare :(im gonna be living in VA soon not just visiting.
>>2462067>I really like historical sites and the oceanGreece, UK, Spain would be good destinations for u i think.
>>2470426>Map makes me feel like I haven't seen shit.That's the correct feeling.
>>2458998Currently in Kenya. It kinda sucks and I wish I was home.
Here is minePlanning to visit Russia as soon as the current shit ends, other than that somewhere in Italy, Portugal or Denmark should be next.
>>2470868Development worker or Diplomat?
>>2470787Why?
>>2470869Neither, I spent my entire childhood in Africa following my father that works as a security consultant in mines, ports, etc.I hated every second of it, not gonna lie
>>2470875>I hated every second of it, not gonna lieOuch. Why?
>>2470878It's not always easy changing countries, and more importantly changing school every year as a child, especially when you're an introvert and already struggle to socialize. And even though we always lived in decent conditions, being expats, I really disliked everything living in Africa implied (distance from family and my friends in Europe, almost no people similar to me in sight, hygiene, lack of access to European products, weather,...)Some expat kids love growing up in Africa, it can give a lot of liberty and you can do stuff that isn't possible in developed coutnries. I did enjoy some things, but in general I really disliked it. Could have been a lot worse though, I can't really complain
>>2470872I don't enjoy how everything is shoddy over here. Simple shit like shower curtains are always either too long or too short. Don't enjoy the people much. Some are cool, most want to make stupid deals like "trade me your laptop for a cow" or "bring me a TV when you return." Sure the country is pretty but after the first few days its nothing special.
>>2470923>it can give a lot of liberty and you can do stuff that isn't possible in developed countries.like what o.o
>>2471079You can pull off a lot of shit that would get you in troubles in other places because firstly you are a foreigner and not subject to the same expectations as locals and secondly because of corruption.Examples: underage driving, underage drinking, drugs, bunking off, parallel relationships, cheating in schoolAs an addition, you'll get to experience a higher class lifestyle than you could get back home, things like drivers, maids, cooks, gated communities, private pools and clubs, chartered flights with even richer friends, etc.On the downside you'll have certain third world annoyances like corruption, being seen as a walking ATM, hygiene and infrastructure and the constantly changing people in international schools can result in a hostile climate.
>>2458998I don't understand how to get the map and I can't be bothered so text post it is>Home countryusa>Regions visitednew england, east coast, california>Lived beforeJapan, China, South Korea, Italy>Live nowItaly>Countries visitedusa, italy, vatican city, switzerland, austria, czechia, germany, france, uk, japan, china, taiwan, south korea, mexico, bahamas>Regions visitedprefectures except tohoku, hokkaido, okinawa. all regions of south korea. all main cities of italy, and regional areas around them and the south. the rest just main city and somewhere in the countryside I can't recall exactly. lucerne, vienna, prague, munich, paris, london, venice, florence, rome, naples, pompei, sorrento, salerno, calabria in general>going soonidk wherever work takes me if I can get another job, but I am hoping for traveling work so it would bring me many places but I would live nowhere except hotels
Heading to Alaska in a couple weeks with my friends, plan to go to Denali national park, Kenai peninsula and chill in Anchorage for a bit. Going to do some fishing as well, it's supposed to be pretty pristine, just gotta look out for the grizzly bears.Otherwise I went to the Netherlands in March, my second time there, hit Amsterdam, Maastricht, and Utrecht. I plan to do another longer international trip later this year but need to renew my passport so that'll put me on pause for a bit. Playing with the idea of Chile/Argentina/Japan/South Korea but I'll need to pick one.
>>2471135>open full map image in new tab>save image>use paint bucket tool as instructed in >>2459002>enjoy your mapI have a personal copy with all my trips, I enjoy looking at it and updating it when I come back home.
>>2458998Colorado, Canada, Germany and Taiwan are all layovers
>>2471156Sorry I don't have a paint program, I can try to find an online generator
>>2470868Fascinating map, one of the most interesting posted here tbqh. Have you visited the places you used to live as an adult? Do you have friends or acquaintances down there now?
I'm in a long-distance relationship with a Vietnamese girl and I'm going to go to Vietnam for a second time, this time to meet her friends and family in Bac Ninh later this year. If our relationship continues to go well we plan on travelling twice a year, alternating between Asia and Europe, assuming she can get the travel visas she needs. If her visa applications get rejected we'll just stick to SEA as we can both travel everywhere in SEA visa-free, with exception of Singapore.
>>2471333>I'm in a long-distance relationship with a Vietnamese girlkeep your wits about you bro. dont get played.
>>2471336Yeah I appreciate the warning. A bit of me is cautious because I know SEA-women are notorious for scamming guys but the longer I'm with her the more I'll trust her. I've made it clear from the start that it will be years before we look into settling down together, and she's not objected to that, which is reassuring (I think someone just after our equivalent of a greencard would be more pushy), and also she never asks for money or expensive gifts etc. She seems genuine but only time will tell.She could be playing a long con but at some point I need to take the risk of bringing her here to stay if I want to turn this relationship into something real and lasting. I like to think that me and my family would be able to spot any cracks by then if she's just putting on an act.
>>2471362Even if she's as genuine as you are you should prepare for a world of hurt.Continuing to live apart will take a toll on you both, moving in together (no matter if in the UK or Vietnam) isn't without challenges either because the honeymoon period that you're experiencing each visit will wear off once you're together "for good", i.e. without one of you going back soon looming over you.
>>2471399You're right both have their issues, but I think if we can keep things together for long enough for her to be ready to move in on a longer-term basis, then the honeymoon period wearing off isn't necessarily a dealbreaker.Of course that's easy for me to say now whilst I'm still in the honeymoon period, but the current plan is that once we're ready we'll have a trial run of living together on a temporary visitor or work visa before we seriously consider marriage and/or permanent residency. The plan is we'd be living together 3-6 months (6 months is the limit for a UK visitor visa) and treating it not as a holiday but as normal life, staying at home most of the time and seeing how we get on in that situation. If we have a bad time then we'll be able to break up before we've made any major commitment like marriage or children, but if we feel that we're still a good fit then we can look into what the next step might be.To be honest I haven't thought that far ahead in much detail though, as we've only been together for around a year and a half so far. It's difficult to know what the right balance is. I want to enjoy the time we're having right now and not get bogged down in the details yet, but at the same time you are completely right that we should be prepared for the problems that inevitably come from a long-distance relationship. I obviously want this to work out, but I shouldn't let that desire cloud my judgement.
>>2471247I still have a close friend that I made during my childhood abroad, interestingly we only lived in the same country for a bit more than 6 months but have been in contact ever since (that was more than 10 years ago). Other than that all of this is behind me now. I'm not fond of Africa so I don't plan on going back to one of those countries to be honest, but my parents bought a little house in Costa Rica while we were, planning to retire there, so perhaps I'll get to visit them here in a few years.
>>2459247Oh God not the fucking ferry to Alat. No son haha don't do it there's an airport now
>>2461512Kyrgestan has a lot more to offer than Kazakhstan, but at least when I was there it was relatively violent and there have been two (?) Coup attempts since then. Most people to east to karakol and while that's neat the dream is really to cross into western China that way and I think you'd do that through kazhakstan.West kyrgestan is kinda neat, but accommodation and infrastructure is poor.
I'd like to improve this map one day. Would like to make a web app where:>Region sizes are more manageable (and define by geographical features)>Flights and journeys can be mapped with faint lines>Different shading for 'how travelled' places are (darkest for living, dark for regions visited, light for country>Functionality to mark natural features (i.e. visited Sahara, Amazon, etc)>Badges for completion of 'sets' (i.e. new 7 wonders, all continents, x10 Mediterranean beaches, etc)Anything else people would like to see on such a map?
Haven't done a lot of tourism, but have lived in Rome, Paris and Madrid for 5 years collectively. Fluent in French & Spanish, conversational in wopPlanning to go live in Buenos Aires next.Only unique place I've visited is Tunisia
>>2471333>I'm in a long-distance relationship with a Vietnamese girl and I'm going to go to Vietnam for a second time, this time to meet her friends and family in Bac Ninh later this year.How do you get desperate enough to do something so shameful and cringy? You're going to go meet her friends and family?>here's the low-value white guy who has an asian fetish and decided he wanted to date me through the computer! he's a loser at home but he's rich here!How do you muster the gall to look into the face of her parents knowing they view you as a contemptible rube and pervert but a good match for their daughter since she'll benefit financially?
>>2472927>How do you get desperate enough to do something so shameful and cringy?lmao true
>>2465231not interested in cooming, i'm in a happy relationshipi'm the type of guy that travels for food and drink and i've heard good things about SEA, obviously seeing sights is also important to me
>>2473142>i'm the type of guy that travels for drinkThis is a lot worse than coomers.
>>2458998How am I doing so far bros?
>>2473223greenland is p cool, what did u do there?
>>2473168you just ignored the part where is said "food" firstwho the fuck travels just to drink
>>2472887I personally would like a map where you can click on a visited region and it pops up some highlighted photos from your trip there. Like an interactive photo album. Don't know if something similar already exists.
