I went to Trieste for a weekend

>>2432593
i was in rome for 2 months pretty nice. Lots of places to visit.

Plenty to see whether historic or scenic but Italians are really unfriendly and rude to most people even each other, not even just tourist areas but everywhere. I don't get it myself, wtf their problem is, going to their business and spending money but act like you are bothering them and offending them for existing in their presence. Some can be nice too but don't expect it, consider it a rare surprise.

Try as many foods as you can, get it cheap by venturing away from cities and tourist spots.

>>2432712
>Italians are really unfriendly and rude to most people even each other
The average Italian is VERY frustrated for various reasons. The "mediterranean sweet life" is largely a meme

>>2432712
really? italians to me seemed very friendly did you visit the north or something?

>>2432712
are you not white/south european looking? when i was there everyone thought i was italian (portuguese) and was super nice. I was in venice, rome and campania. rome was fucking shit though. extremely dirty and hotter than satan's asshole

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>>2432593
Take a couple of days and rent a car and drive around and explore. I did this in October and went to pic related in Abruzzo. Had the time of my life

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>>2432886
There's a market nearby where you can buy sausage and arrosticini (sheep meat skewers) and they have grills outside going all the time where you can cook your meat there. It was awesome

>>2432712
Food isn't expensive in cities unless you are a dumb nigger and eat in tourist traps, which judging by your interactions with Italians you probably are

Going to Tuscany in the summer. Just gonna hike and hit up wineries and just enjoy myself.

>>2432593
Italy is the S tier of Europe.

i lived there for 6 years, it was ok
spring is magical (if you dont have allergies)
summer a bit too hot for me

Should I go here or Spain for a 5-7 day trip?

I was originally looking at Mexico City but a ticket to Rome/Madrid costs the same $5-600, lol.

>>2432593
i went to turin once, on a work trip
i saw the turin shroud. it was one of the times when they had the "real" one out, not the replica they usually do.
um, that's about it really

I'm tempted to go for a few days, hit up Florence, Cinque Terre and Venice. Not sure what to really expect though

>>2434876
>Not sure what to really expect though

If you don't know what to expect there, you will never know anywhere. It's the safest destination ever.

>>2434880
Oddly that's what has me not knowing what to expect. It'll be the first time I travel somewhere for the culture and the art and the museums and such. Normally I travel to hike and get lost in the wilderness for a bit. Never done the "weekend city break" type of travel before.

>>2432593

Siena, the city was getting ready for the Palio, it was beautiful!

>>2432712
You sound like any other obnoxious tourist

>>2432712
>>2432862

probably black or american. or a black american

>>2432593
Been to Italy a surprising number of times —at least once a year for the past five years, and once spent a full month touring around the place. I like it a lot, both north and south.

A freshly prepared Italian espresso is superior to the exact same drink anywhere else in Europe 99 times out of 100 and I can’t rationally explain why. I get better coffee in the average Italian service station than I get at the most expensive cafe in my hometown in Switzerland, despite the Swiss espresso costing six times as much and being served with a piece of world-class chocolate on the saucer.

Despite a lot of trips to the country I have somehow still never been to Rome. Venice is both as bad as its reputation and also still amazing. Florence too—far too many tourists for completely justified reasons.

Sicily is maybe my favorite part of the country, because it’s got both Italian style and class and rustic mess that feels like a developing country; it reminds me in that respect of Thailand, both sophisticated and (still) fucked up. I’m sure it’s a pain in the ass to have to live and be poor there but it’s a great place to relax with money. Good food, too, but there’s good food anywhere in Italy if you like Italian food. There’s a lot of crap food, too, but it’s easy to avoid.

Years ago I accidentally went to Siena during the world-famous Palio (a horse race in the center of town, a battle of neighborhood clubs descended from medieval guilds). Massively crowded and overpriced tourist spectacle and yet really not for tourists—locals are passionate about it to the point of insanity. Recommended once.

Neapolitans drink red wine chilled. That may actually be a regional tradition from somewhere else down South, not specifically a Naples thing, but that’s where I first experienced it. “Real” Naples pizza isn’t as superior as people pretend.

I’d like to try living in Lucca, Tuscany, for a year or two.

What did you want to know, exactly?

Milan, Lake Como and the surrounding areas are all pretty kino with nice views and historic buildings. As the other guy said the food and coffee are actually nice over there. Would probably go again this summer but I can't bear the high temperatures.

>>2432712
All Italians I met were nice and hospitable. The fuck are you on about?

>>2436052
>All Italians I met were nice and hospitable. The fuck are you on about?
I find Italians warm and likable more often than not, as well, especially down south (as an Italian-Albanian girl, brought up in Naples but working in an ice cream shop in Lucca once told me, people are much nicer in the South but nothing works; up North people are colder but everything is more functional). But even up North, grouchy customer service is the exception rather than the norm in my experience. Maybe in tourist traps in high season you get some jaded folks? I can get by in Italian, as well, so perhaps they’re nicer when they don’t have to speak English. There’s definitely a tradition of complaining about things, and there can be colorful arguments, but it’s always come across as good-humored to me more than seriously hostile.

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Just got back from my first trip ever to Italy last week, exploring the NE parts of it, I drove to Venice from Slovenia then visited Laco di Braies up in the Italian alps.

Venice shocked me the first day with how crowded and digusting the grand canal was (even though its low season now), but the eastern parts away from the crowds and the main attractions have some nice parks and quiet streets, the arsenal was beautiful and the canals there were largers and the streets looked cool to live in.


It shocked me how in the main square you have digusting tourist shit like t-shirts being sold every 5 metres, the museums are great once you get in but the first impressions of venice were very dissapointing.

Going up in the Alps via car was amazing, very fun roads and going back down towards slovenia was fun as that was the part with serpentines and stuff.

Probably my favorite part was just the drive through the mountains, I had snow, nice weather, sun in the mountains, flowers, roads did not have 1 pothole, it was like driving through a really cool video game. Also there was literally no fucking traffice on a weekday morning so that's nice, apparently after June 16th the school is out and it becomes a nightmare of crowds at every attraction. I will definitely do more roadtrips into Italy.


It's clearly getting more and more expensive as even with cheap accomodation near venice in low season you still have to pay 9.5 euros for 1 trip to the city via public boat bus, just a few years ago it would have been 6 euros. So just bite the bullet and visit italy now as it wont get any cheaper in a few years etiher. In venice they apparently will implement a ticket just to get into the city because its so crowded and after seeing the crowds in low season and imagining what giant cruise ships look like in that lagoon in the summer, I totally get it.

>>2432712
>>2432740
When I was in Italy I hung out with Piedmontese and Venetians, and Mezzogiorno college girls in the area. I did not get this impression at all. They were very kind and welcoming.

>>2436046
>I’d like to try living in Lucca, Tuscany, for a year or two.
NTA but why Lucca specifically?

>>2436079
>NTA but why Lucca specifically?
My wife and I were both just charmed by the looks and atmosphere of the very well-preserved, almost car-free walled old city. It’s a small place, but not as small or isolated as some picturesque little hill town, and we found it disproportionally well-served in terms of food, cultural amenities, and general comforts. Nice little local art and design scenes. Bicycles. Beaches not far away by train, many other parts of the country within easy reach as well. There are tourists and tourist attractions, but it didn’t feel dominated by tourism.

I like a lot of cities and towns in Italy, but Lucca struck my wife and I both as particularly livable.

I went to Rome the other month and it was nice apart from the literal designated shitting street I found. I think (hope) it was dog's but the amount and regularity would mean all of Rome woukd have to walk their dog down that road.

Any comfy countryside small towns to visit?

>>2432593
First time
>Fly to Rome, simple airport. Easy to get to city by the train
>Get on metro to get to my airbnb in Prati neighborhood
>Nice neighborhood, don't understand all the Rome hate. No blacks around
>Go have some pasta for dinner
>Got a tour of the Vatican in the morning
>Take a shit in the morning, walk down to the Vatican
>find my tour group, still got like ten minutes and feel a little gurgling in my gut
>See a shitter near some military police
>Walk over and ask if I can dump out
>They say no and tell me to go to a different one
>Walk over there, have to pay. Don't have any coins
>Meh, don't have to shit too bad
>Go with tour and get in line for Vatican security
>Waiting in line and after 15 minutes the pressure starts building on my fried butterfly
>Ask tour guide if there's a bathroom past security
>She says yes
>Ok we good
>Pressure increasingly mounts because line moves about as fast as the pope can walk
>Finally get through security
>Ask guide where the shitter is, says we have to wait until after the elevator
>What elevator lol
>Wait in line for elevator now for another twenty minutes
>Goes to top of St Peters, then I just start walking away from the group of like 30 people
>Guide tells me to stick with the group
>nope.jpeg
>Rush through the rotunda walk way
>Get to toilet just in time
>Erupt violently all over the bowl, literally every square cm covered and even got some on the top of the seat
>Takes me forever to wipe all the wet shit from my hole and cheeks
>Walk out and rejoin tour group
>Get to catacombs and hits again but luckily tour is over now we just fucking around
>Find another toilet
>Coat that one in shit also
Kind of wish I had shit my pants, would have made for a real holy shit story.

>>2436301
Trip cont. though
>Spend the next two days just walking around and seeing the city.
>Thought it was incredible, lots to see and easily walkable or to get around
>Final day I head to the train station to go an hour north to a hill top medieval town called Orvieto (>>2436284 highly recommend here)
>Awesome town, took the funicular to get to it
>Did the underground history tour there, interesting af
>Food pretty expensive there but everywhere I ate was great
>Go from there to Florence
>Check into hostel so I can see if I can find some hostel rats to hang out with
>Head out on foot to go see the shit there
>Stop at some bar to have a few drinks
>See a guy put a snus in, tell him I could tell he was Swedish because of that. Trade snus and chat with him for a bit
>Been messaging an Iranian broad on Bumble
>She says she has to walk my way to get home and wants to meet up for a drink
>I take a few shots, already been drinking a bit
>She shows up, total smoke show
>Says we should get some wine and go to her place
>teehee sure
>Go to her place, immediately start banging it out
>Thinks my dick is too big so she coats it in baby oil for lube
>Fuck her out and shes telling me it feels like I'm fucking her stomach
>Don't care and don't let up
>We pass out
>Wake up cause she has to go to work and I have to check out of my hostel in ten minutes
>Rush back and ask them if I can shower (gotta get rid of the baby oil all over my dick)
>Hostel staff have no problem with me needing to stay past checkout to shower
>Didn't even unpack my stuff so super easy
>Go walk around and sight see more, kind of overrated I thought
>Go back and stay at her place for a couple of nights, get to save money
>She cooks me some good Iranian food, get the shits from that too
>Blow up her toilet with my bubble gut as well
>She goes to work next day, I head to Pisa for a day trip
>Nice city, thought the tower, duomo, and the grounds around it were a lot cooler than expected

>>2436303
cont.
>Head back to Florence for a night to bang my Iranian broad and stay there one more night
>Next day get on fast train down to Naples for a night
>Get to Naples, fucking hell on earth.
>Feels like Africa
>Loud and cars honking everywhere
>Iranian girl sees my location so assumes still on Bumble (I am, duh)
>Gets furious, deletes me off all the socials
>dontcare.png
>Next day can't wait to gtfo out of Naples so I head to Pompeii for a night
>Train down there is the most ghetto piece of shit I have ever been on. Even worse than NYC metro
>Pompeii nice little town, main square was kind of under construction though
>Check into Airbnb
>Sleep
>Next day go walk around the ruins for hours, also really fucking cool even though it's a billion degrees out
>No idea how all the fat fuck tourists can handle it
>Go back to Airbnb
>Meet a Ukrainian girl from Tinder for dinner
>Kind of a 6/10 but meh
>Go have some pizza, pretty not good
>Her English kind of shit
>Say see ya nerd after dinner
>Go sleep
>Head back to Rome the next day to spend a night at a hostel before flying to Malta
>Hostel is nearby train station
>That part of the city might as well be Naples
>African groups just loitering, being loud, and littering
>Walk to hostel, pass a couple of cars with broken windows that Africans are obviously living in
>Get to hostel
>Has a dinner option for everyone
>Have some drinks, meet some people
>Group of us (cool 18 year old Brit, 24 year old American jock type, foxy Bolivian gal probably 23, Russian girl who's a total bitch probably 23, and a turbo autistic dork 18 year old Dutch kid, and I) decide to go try some famous bar
>Get there, bouncer turns us away saying they're closed
>Obviously not closed, just don't want a group of tourists
>They all get butt hurt
>Tell them lets just find another bar and get some drinks and play darts
>Walk around for a long time finding one
>Irish pub I think
>Not many people there, play some darts

>>2436308
cont.
>Bolivian girl is pissed because she's way over dressed for a shit hole like that
>British and American guy keep laughing at her accent
>She gets self conscious and wants to leave
>Turbo dutch autist tells us how he's been riding the electric scooters for like 40km today, offers to take her back to the hostel
>She reluctantly agrees
>They ride off down the street while she is clutching his boney frame
>Rest of us all laughing at the image of the nerdiest kid in the city riding a scooter with basically an IG model on the back
>Definitely most action that kid ever had
>I go outside to smoke a cig at the bar and there's a couple of Italians outside
>One has saran wrap on his shin, show him my legs are tatted up as well
>He pulls the saran wrap down
>Nazi symbols
>Doesn't really speak English, just says "SS"
>Tell him niceman.jpeg (I have a buzzcut, probably thinks I am too)
>Look around at everyone else in that bar, all have neo nazi vibes
>We hang out for another twenty minutes then head back to the hostel
>Next morning walk to the train station to go to the airport to fly to Malta (different story)
>Leave Malta and fly to Milan
>No idea what's even there
>Only have one full day because flight gets in late
>Easy to get around, clean city
>Everyone says it's boring, I really liked it
>I like going to microbreweries because I'm white
>Go check out a bunch of really good microbreweries
>Everyone I met in Milan was really nice
That's about it for that trip. Gotta leave work now, maybe I'll type up when I went to Sicily last summer as well.

>>2436308
>>2436303
>>2436301
>free room and board and pussy
>throws it away to get some other tinder skanks

based retard, you will regret it later of course and dream about the iranian girl when nobody will want your dog ass

I don't know why you retards think it's glamorous or cool that you are unable to make real connections and relationships while travelling, its very cool to meet a nice girl, travel together and then stay in touch years later, if you are that desperate for pussy at every location you ever visit you can always just pay an escort you fucking loser

>>2436312
fugg I wish I was the turbo dutch autist

>>2436067
>so perhaps they’re nicer when they don’t have to speak English
In my experience this is true. I only knew a few words and phrases but people received me warmly despite being of pajeet heritage.

>>2436313
I left the Iranian girl because I didn't want to spend the rest of my trip in Florence you brainlet.

Made plenty of real connections traveling who I still talk to weekly years later despite us having only spent two or three nights together while I pass through town. But enjoy your blown out American roastie, just like 50 other men have in the past who "made a real connection" with their cock and her ass hole.

>>2436051
I went to Rome and Milan and I have to say I enjoyed my time a lot more in Rome than Milan as noncontrarian as it might seem to say. Milan has basically one big central area which is the tourist spot most come to visit Milan for, but it's not really that interesting unless you want to dine at some extremely well regarded and fancy restaurants (that was above my pay grade). Outside of the town center is mostly smaller neighborhoods and apartments. The food in Rome was very very good. Yes it's hot. Yes it's kinda dingy and smelly in some areas. I didn't have huge expectations coming in and was able to enjoy the history and cool city landscape, as well as easily accessible tasty food. I can't give a full recommendation to either, but if you wanna start your trip flying into Rome and spend a day or 2 there to see the Vatican, I think that's perfectly valid

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>>2436313
>You can't make real connections unless you do things the way I do because I'm the main character
Mfw

Flew into Rome last September with my gf for 12 nights.

We did 3 days in Rome and Venice, and 2 days in Bologna, Florence and Verona. We took the highspeed train between each city. The train was easy to buy a ticket, not too crowded, very safe and convenient.

We walked our asses off in Italy. We did at least 12 miles on foot every day. The weather was perfect for 11/12 days. We had one day or drizzle in Venice, but we still had a great time in the rain. We looked up 80 percent of the places we ate ahead of time and we only had a bad meal 2 or 3 times when we tried to wing it last minute.

The best things we did:
Renting bikes in Rome and biking through the Park of the Aqueducts
The Roman Forum
Eating outside in Verona in front of the Arena at Nastro Azzurro
Exploring the backstreets and neighborhoods in Venice.

>>2436604
what is your opinion of Rome as a city. was it expensive? was it clean?

>>2436616
The touristy areas of Rome were very clean. They cleaned the streets and trash every night. We stayed in an Airbnb on Via dei Coronari and it was an awesome area. I'd stay in the exact same area next time I'm in Rome. There were plenty of places where you can get cheaper food and drinks. You don't have to spend a ton. But it's definitely not cheap like in Prague or Budapest. There is so much free shit to see outside in Rome that you could walk the streets for weeks and not see it all.

What's your budget per day?

>>2436447
>In my experience this is true. I only knew a few words and phrases but people received me warmly despite being of pajeet heritage.
I’m guessing you’re just screwing around by mentioning this, but my few interactions with the Bangladeshi dudes selling souvenirs in Italy were always a little funny for me; I’m never sure whether to address them in Italian or English. Same thing with the Chinese ladies giving massages on the beaches. I always use Italian, but wonder if English might be easier for them. The whole “third language” situation happens to me all the time at home in Switzerland, too. Would the Vietnamese or Mongolian dude working at the restaurant rather use German, or English? I pretty much always default to German but it’s never not funny to have two people speaking a third language of which nobody is a native speaker. I once asked a lady working at a Japanese restaurant which language she would rather speak (German or English), and she laughed and answered ไทย, so we spoke Thai. Somehow she remembered that I speak Thai, while I hadn’t even remembered meeting her before or learning that she was from Thailand.

>>2432593
I'm in Catania for a weem.
Any good spots / places to visit?
Obviously Etna

>>2436637
From Catania, Syracuse/Ortigia is an obvious choice—very beautiful old city center with classical Greek roots. The nature preserve area outside of Siracusa is pretty, although I’ve only been in summer when it’s also possible to swim. Another option might be Taormina, which I love in spite of itself—it’s been a sort of tourist trap for posh Euros for 200 years at this point, but outside the high seasons it’s still really beautiful, with some interesting history, and several of the restaurants are excellent (many are crap). Don’t know if it’s super-crowded over the Easter break or not. Not really beach season right now but the shore at Naxos has better ones than the bay right below Taormina whose name escapes me. Isola Bella is more weird than beautiful—both it and the big public garden in Taormina (which is very nice) were done up in follies of fantasy architecture by a family of rich 19th-c English weirdos, some kind of disgraced minor aristocrats.

In Catania itself, there’s an enjoyable communist dive bar near the university. I like Catania overall, lots of grubby charm. Pretty filthy, though.

>>2432593

I was in Alto Adige/Sudtirol for a weekend

>>2436637
The Cathedral and Palazzo degli Elefanti.

I'm planning to go to Italy for 10-12 days not counting travel time, by myself.
What's a good budget for this? My main destination is Florence, and maybe a small town or the countryside
I'm fine with not eating like a king and staying at some room

>>2432712
Typical example of low context culture interacting with a moderate to high context culture

>>2432593
I went jogging in Trentino and got eaten by a bear.

>>2436645
>>2436737
Thanks, will report back

>>2436756
Florence and Venice both amazing. I was there in early May and they were already packed with people. I can't imagine what it would be like in the summer with 3 times as many people in the cities walking around. I wouldn't skip either city.
Next time I do Italy, I'm going to hit the smaller, less visited places. I want to do Lucca, Bolzano, Bagnoregio, Siena, La Spezia, Vernazza. The problem is that I'm honestly afraid to drive in Italy. They were fucking maniacs on the road. I've driven all over the world, and the only place Ive seen with worse driving than Rome was in Tijuana Mexico.

>>2437048
How much did you spend? not counting flight tickets
Also I've never traveled to another country before, I have a drivers license so what's the procedure to rent a car there?

>>2437053


We did 11 nights and we stayed in Airbnbs for the entire trip. We spent $150/day on the Airbnbs. That was definitely the right choice. The rooms were large and it was nice to have a fridge and a washing machine so we didn't have to haul a ton of clothes.

The highspeed trains were about $25 per person between cities. It was about $150 each total for the trains to do 5 cities.

We had money to spend on museums, but we never did a single one on the trip. The weather was perfect and there was so much to do outside and a ton of free churches to explore. Renting a bike was $15 for 3 hours in Rome. And we spent $15 on a ticket to the Roman Forum.

1 person
$150 Trains to 5 cities
$50 daily food budget
$20 day misc. tickets or whatever

11 days- $1100, not including your room and plane ticket. You can budget less than $100 a day for sure, but 100 is enough to have fun. We walked so much that 2 drinks at dinner was all we needed to get buzzed. Wine or beer was generally $6/glass everywhere we went.

>>2432593
Went to Rome for 3 days and had to come back again for 5 days and already wishing to go back for a week.

>>2437115
>11 days- $1100
oh thats close to my budget including plane and train tickets
Thanks, Ill see how can I distribute my budget for 11 days, Florence and some other small village are my main destinations, preferably one with beaches because I love swimming

>>2437502
You can save a lot by going to the actual grocery store to buy $1 bottled waters and snacks. Those corner convenience stores charge $4 for a water. It adds up when you're drinking 4 bottles a day.

Also, the sandwich places are always fucking amazing and cheap. I Fratellini in Florence had $4 sandwiches. The locals all eat there.
Florence also has a really fancy, relatively inexpensive steakhouse called Steak Home Firenze. I had one of the best steaks in my life there. It was like $60/person with a drink. A meal like that in a high end steakhouse would be $150in the US. This is definitely where you want to splurge for a night if you're eating $4 sandwiches for lunch.

anyone been to bologna? thinking about applying for postgrad at the university of bologna

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>>2437534
nicee

>>2437551
It's a total liberal hipster city. If you're into that, you'll love it. it's definitely a grittier city than Florence. Personally, I'd go to Verona for school. It's closer to snowboarding, better jobs with all the tourists. You'd be an hour from Venice. It's also good jumping off point to visit Croatia and Slovenia.

Never been. Seems like a strange place that's pushed hard by media everywhere so it makes me suspicious and very against going there. Plus they speak Italian not English wouldn't understand them and would get scammed/played etc.

Be careful I think is my opinion

>>2437657
4/10 points for subtlety

>>2437659
What. I've never been there. And I am scared of it

>>2437597
I'm into that, was just looking at anywhere that offered English-language masters. in the process of learning italian but don't trust myself to do a pure-Italian masters, can't see myself getting to that level in a year or so. I'll have to check out Verona

>>2432593
Went to Sicily last summer after going around the boot. Boot was ez mode so I figured Sicily would be the same. Nah. Train system is abysmal, same with the bus system. Be aware that some bus drivers are fucking mask cucks still and will deny you if you don't have a mask, same with train attendants there. Was in Trapani and went to take a bus to lift at a gym, waited for twenty minutes and the driver told me I needed a mask so I had to walk back to my airbnb, get one walked back, waited another twenty minutes, driver that showed up didn't have a mask on. I was pissed. Trapani is fucking boring, I think the south and east coast of Sicily is much better. Erice was pretty interesting though.

Palermo I thought was loud, dirty, but had a lot of charm to it. Went to a metal pub there and some sicilians saw me by myself and invited me to drink, then went with a couple of them to a punk bar where I met some of their friends. They thought Americans were the geography meme retarded, so I had them quiz me on European capitals and I got all of them right so they kept buying me shots. Then we went to an illegal street party with 1euro beers which was wild. One of the highlights of my summer for sure.

I guess my advice for Sicily is rent a car or scooter in order to get around, Sicily is the red headed step child of Italy and they have been shunned by the government for so long that their infrastructure really lacks. Someone in Sicily told me Italy becomes more fucked the further south you go, that's why the mob was able to fill that vacancy in Sicily. People in Sicily were a lot nicer than the mainland (not that I ran into many assholes in the boot, but)

>>2437551

Bologna/Parma/Genoa are liberal strongholds there, lots of pro refugee faggots, lots of niggers, lots of crime. Even worse than Milan lol.

Verona/Venice are great study cities, still left wing but a lot less cucked than Bologna/Parma. If you do go to Venice to study you don't need to live in Venice, most live in Padua/Treviso and take the train to school. Just avoid walking around Mestre if you don't want to get shanked by a refugee high on pills because you didn't have a cigarette to give him.

Going to south next week. I'll start from Bari, probably go to Naples and then to Palermo. Is it safe down there?

>>2437972
Naples not so much. It's the worst city in Italy and maybe Europe IMO. Bari is a tourist city, Palermo you'll be fine it's just a little dirty.

>>2434739
I kinda prefer Italy. Spanish food is good but nothing beats Italian sea food spaghetti, carbonara, etc.

Any ideas where I could go by car in North Italy? Coming from Germany the obvious answer is Lake Garde. How is Lake Como?

>>2437791
Yeah I'm in Catania atm, very very dirty city. You're lucky to find a wall with no graffiti.
(>>2436637)
Today I went to Syracuse as advised by other anon. The buses run every 30m and I had no issues re: needing a mask or w/e. The trains are so infrequent that they're useless, it's faster by bus from Catania to Syracuse.
There's those busker cross scam artists in a few places, they'll do shit like put a bracelet or budgie on you, or play you music, then demand you give them money for a service you never consented to.
Best to ignore them.

Food here is really good. Syracuse had pretty parts, and way less graffiti / trash on the streets.

Syracuse feels like it caters to upper middle class tourists, but most things are still affordable. I wasn't especially impressed by the sights, but thats probably because I come from another European country that has 400+ year old buildings in every town city and village.

Yet to go up etna

>>2437551

Bologna is crazy expensive to both live and rent a room. It's also the quintessential student city, so yeah, worth it if you can afford it.

>>2438089

Well, what do you like?

Arts and architecture? Veneto
Nature? South Tyrol
Off the beaten track, 1990s Italy? Trieste

>>2438072
I'll try to visit Naples when Napoli secures title that should be fun

>>2438073
Spanish food is probably the worst food in the Mediterranean.

I want to do a lot of the smaller cities and towns in Italy on my next trip, but I don't trust driving there. How do people get around in the countryside?

>>2438915
That's like saying Ramos is the worst player in 2015 Real Madrid

>>2439038
You're gonna need a car. There's no other way. Lazy dagos in the countryside don't want to work, it can be hard to find a taxi to the train station even at 8pm. Even if you do, the nearest train station could be half an hour away or more by car.

>>2439038
Also the economics of not renting a car don't make any sense. Even if you take a taxi out to the sticks and get around by train, the half hour taxi to the station will cost you 40€. For that money, you could rent a vehicle for the entire day, and you can go wherever you want, whenever you want without relying on Trenitalia.

>>2432712
>Italians are really unfriendly and rude
I'm currently travelling through Southern Italy and this has not been my experience at all. If you make even the slightest attempt at speaking Italian (I mostly just speak Spanish with some Italian words thrown in) people will be extremely friendly and helpful. Just this morning I had some old lady stop the bus from Catania to Siracusa from leaving for 10 minutes while I went buying a ticket at the kiosk.

>>2437799
>Verona
>left wing
it's one of the most historically neo nazi (not memeing) cities of northern Italy
The mayor may be left wing at the moment, but he got elected by being in cahoots with the local clergy, you know how politics works
t. I am from Verona

>>2432886
>>2432889
holy based
i went there on a hunch cause a couple of locals told me to
nobody fucking travels to abruzo

>>2439448
That explains why I liked Verona so much, and the complete lack of crime and brown people. I'm sure your liberal mayor will fix all that peace and quiet and enrich you with some diversity.

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>>2436071
Don't go to Venice on a weekend or in the summer. I went in May of 2022 and it wasn't crowded at all during the week. It was only bad on Saturday around the palace. The rest of the city was nice and chill.

>>2440252
He already is lmao
Since early 2022 we have a serious problem with "youth gangs" (you know what that means)
They rob and beat people in broad daylight in the city center (I am talking in a 500 meter radius from the Arena), get arrested and released the same day
Worst part is you can't do shit about it, cause they are mostly minors and tend to use a 5 to 10vs1 tactic
If you can read italian, look it up on the local newspaper website, it's called L'Arena

>>2438915
>Spanish food is probably the worst food in the Mediterranean.
Not technically Mediterranean, but Portuguese food would like you to hold its beer.

I like Spanish food at least a bit, in some places more than others, but it’s hard to deny that it’s pretty monotonous. There’s more variety in Italy.

How much budget do I need to travel to one major city in Italy and a smaller one, for one person?
I escaped neetdoom months ago and got a job, vacations are coming in summer so I've been saving for that

>>2440719
read this
>>2437115

On a backpacker's budget how bad is Italy?
It looks like covid killed affordable travel in Europe entirely. I would like to go, but if a 1 month trip runs me about $5000, I'd rather just go to Morocco

>>2440741
If you want an affordable trip to Europe from the United States in the summertime, you need to buy your tickets YESTERDAY my man. They are exorbitantly priced last minute, I'm talking $3000 one way.

>>2440729
neat

I did study abroad so we went all over the country

>florence
wonderful people. Obviously full of tourists but making any attempt at all to speak italian with them was really great, even if they did usually jsut switch to english. lots of historical thigns to see, great restauraunts, fun to watch games of soccer. too many ch*nk tourists and elather shops though, and the train station area is kind of sketchy. streets are really hard to walk though because of the bricks I have plenty of stories about florence. 9.5/10
>Napoli
run down as hell, full of soul. literally walk down any street and something interesting is happening. lots of neat bars and restauraunts, the spanish quarter and underground is really neat. but probably bring friends with you, especially after dark. Dog poop on the sidewalk/10
>Rome
fantastic. really fun to see the sights, horrible amount of africans selling worthless shit by every attraction. dont listen to italians complaining about it, its great. 8/10
>venice
comfy, but painfully touristy. no real natives, all tourist attractions. Good art galleries, water taxies are fun. 6/10
>padova
neat church, bar had a hole in the ground to shit in. Grappa tastes like rat poison. 6/10
>Turin
comfiest place in the country, hands down. Po river is comfy to walk along, the mole is neat to visit, great parks. Would live in. Juve vafanculo
>Pisa
heheh its the pissmover
>prato
comfy, went to a restaurant there
>pompeii
its a tourist attraction but it IS really great to visit. I also reccomend hadrian's villa
>bologna
its alright, I guess. Didnt see much, but the College kids thought I was italian for some reason
>milan
is there anything else to even see here besides the main church and the giant mall? I barely remember anything besides the duomo. wouldnt recommend taking the subway at all, unless you just really want to get robbed

driving down to naples is really fun

non puoi soffrire in italia

>>2440749
Nah, they aren't that bad. Lufthansa has tickets for $1000 roundtrip.

>>2432712
you clearly went to northern italy, these are piece of shit. as snobbish as the french with none of the qualities. also their food is shit, that's why they resort to sell southern italian food.

read: >>2439391

>>2437551
bologna is a leftist globohomo shithole and so is milan.

>>2437972
apparently naples is going through a resurgence, people are telling me it never had as many visitors as of now. go there for a day if you can and check if you like it. if you don't, you got capri and amalfi coast nearby.

>>2437551
I'm Italian and got my bachelor's degree in Bologna. It's the most leftist city in the country. Coincidentally it's full of homeless and thieving immigrants. The food is to die for though, can't argue with that. I'd suggest, if you're interested in university in Bologna, to just find a course in nearby Ferrara, which is less crazy.

>>2441253
>as snobbish as the french
Oh, piano con le parole

>>2432593
Rome is really nice but I seen a dead body in Roma central station for the first time it was kinda fucked up...you'll get harassed at every single tourist attraction and area by Africans and Indians who will be scamming you. If you go with a girl they'll shove a flower in her hand and say it's free because she's so beautiful and then they will turn to you and beat you up if you refuse to give them money.
Same thing with bracelets. Avoid Africans. Ignore them like they don't exist. Don't let anyone touch you. Police and Italians will turn their head away and will not ever help you.
I would say Rome was my favourite city in Europe except for the Africans who destroy the whole place and the local Italians and cops who don't even protect tourists (seen white families kids get grabbed and scammed etc made little girls cry at trevi fountain cause of Africans grabbing their arms)

>>2432593
Rome was fucking beautiful. It's sound cliche, but you can really feel the history as you're walking around it. It's probably the city I will remember most when thinking back to the visuals of it all. I went for a coffee on top of an old white (marble?) building and could see right across the city due to the lack of (soulless) skyscrapers. The city parks were full of actual Italians too which is rare in modern day western Europe.

>>2441726
Lol, I had a similar experience in Rome a few times. The pakis with their flowers and Africans with their bracelets, I look like a bit of mean cunt, and outright refused to give them any money, they (Africans) tried intimidating me but ended up giving us a legit free bracelet each after squaring up to me and getting told to fuck off. Lmao

>>2441726
>>2441749
Based african scammers making tourists seethe

>>2441782
I literally ended up with two free bracelets, pretty sure he was seething.

>>2441794
They can't seethe cause they are not conscious

>>2441749
It's so weird that the Italians allow this to happen and when anyone reports to the cops...the cops do fucking nothing
Harald baldr on YouTube was in Florence or something and squared up to one on camera while filming and they kept trying to push him down a side alley where they were gonna stab him or 50 of them would jump out. He took footage to cops stationed right next to it and they shrugged and said what do you want us to do about it
Another European country destroyed by pakis and Africans and gyppos

>>2441837
Yeah, Rome would've probably been my favourite city of all time but the wogs (of all varieties) were by far the most aggressive of any city I've been to. In Barcelona, for example, it was mostly afghans and Iraqis and they just sold you ice cold beers for a slight mark up and fridge magnets for a quarter of the price they were in the shop, they literally offered a good service, to be fair. The Africans just sold shoes and shit on the ramblas and scattered any time the police showed up.

>>2441851
Yeah I remember the cops would turn up and theyd grab their tables on their shoulders and would be sprinting off down the streets. I bought a Rolex for 50 euro off some African dude outside the real rolex store. It had a box and receipt and all. It still works, only thing wrong is the font on the dial is not perfect when you look up close you will know it's fake for sure. That was in 2004 kek...just after I bought it the guy sprinted off I don't know how he knew but seconds later heaps of cops were there. They must have some way of communicating to each other that they are coming

>>2441837
>said what do you want us to do about it
Take this from an italian, cops speak the truth
Our judicial system is so fucked up that police TRULY can't do shit about it
I mean, as this anon stated >>2440307 even IF they get arrested, they are out the next day, even if they are multiple offenders
Police is not lazy, they just know they can't do shit, they are resigned

>>2441851
I went to Rome and literally never had any issues with this and never experienced any of this. Only things that I saw were shitty peddlers selling low quality trinkets in tourist traps, and then not even all of them. This was early August, probably peak tourism season and when you get the least amount of locals in there since it's just too hot to stay in the city. You faggots on /trv/ love to exaggerate and whine.

>>2442279
I went 12 years ago and remember them being prevalent at every tourist site. They had basically taken over the Spanish Steps. This year I went back expecting it to be even worse, but I was pleasantly surprised to find barely any of them. Only saw 4 of them, all around the Trevi Fountain, and only one was pulling the flower scam. Every other site was clear. Granted, this was in late February/early March, so not exactly peak season.

>>2442329
Maybe it got better. But the way you'd read some posts here you'd think Paris, Rome and all these other cities are post apocalyptic shitholes that are crumbling apart while my visits have been nothing but pleasant. 4chan is very negative in general, it's a very feminine trait.

>>2442487
Go visit Rome, then

>>2442928
I did, last Autumn. I've lived on and off in Piemonte, close to Lombardy, for a year, and I've been to Milan a few dozen times. Plus I've gone from east to west across Northern Italy. Still puzzled by all the negative crap I read about Italy.

>>2442988
>lived in the only ok place in Italy
>"Geez, Italy is not that baaad guyzz it's not a third world shithole I promiseee"

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>>2442998
I'll take my opinion over yours from having seen things and done things over someone who has probably never left their basement. Very neurotic person is upset over everything, like a woman, whereas if you got decent amount of testosterone you don't whine and exaggerate small things that simply do not matter in the long term.

There's great architecture, beautiful women, high density of art and beauty. Northern Italian climate is probably the most perfect climate out there; it snows in winter, but the summers are long and hot. People have more reserve than most other Southern Europeans, but they're not socially retarded like Scandinavians for example. There's excellent food and pretty much every region could write down more good recipes and specialities than some much bigger and more populated countries. There's still a good sense of family and commune.

Oh no, you weren't treated like a king at your shitty tourist trap restaurant and people didn't bother speaking English like it's any of their business you can't learn ten sentences to get around most hurdles. Or maybe you couldn't walk down the street without nearly being murdered and got terrified by some scrawny gypsies selling shitty trinkets targeted towards the most dumb and cattle like tourists (you).

>>2443115
yeah, I'm not reading all of that, sorry

>>2443118
Oh shit I'm sorry.

>>2443115
>1 pizza has been deposited in your bank account

>>2432593
when i was a kid i got a guided tour of pompeii, it was fucking sick
GO TO POMPEII
EAT AT LOCAL PLACES, NOT EXPENSIVE PLACES

>>2443115
Writing walls of text like that being a shizio is womanly behaviour. Talking shit about how Rome is ruined by African and paki scammers is normal talk.

>>2443462
I went during peak season. Overtourism was the main issue in some sights, specifically Colosseum and Pantheon. Just too many people. I avoided Colosseum and only went in Pantheon for a quick visit. Everything else was fine. I probably could have avoided the crowds by going very early or late. That's what I did in Venice. During the day the St. Mark's was packed. I woke up at like 6 in the morning and there was hardly a soul. Almost surreal.

Yeah there's some bums and in the really busy parts you have people selling shitty trinkets, but I thought to myself 'Is that really it? Is this what the /trv/ was shitting itself over?' It's nothing.

>>2432593
The "shitty food" at the fiumicino airport is like gourmet level food in the UK.

Generally speaking, even the most basic shit panino at Marios backally crack spot in Rome is better quality than most posh restaurants in London.

Also €1.50 for a cappucino in down town Rome would cost like 7 pounds in London, but the roman one doesn't have cum from the underpaid barista in it.

>>2434876
Word of advice, skip cinque terre. Most overrated place in Italy. It looks nothing like on social media and is crowded as hell due to tiktok and instagram.

>>2443511
Rule’s alone is better than any restaurant in Italy but you’re poor so you have never eaten actual food.

>>2443544
Not them but if you got to go to some extremely expensive place to eat well your food is dog shit.

>>2443502
You're a liar. They literally surround the Trevi fountain there's that many scammers

>>2443555
What scammers? I saw some guys offering to take a photo for a fee, obviously most people said no and that was the end of it. Do you have a dumb look about you?

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worst scammer I had was at the train station.

I was at the ticket machine, I already knew where I was going and what to buy.
This lady comes over, wearing a suit jacket with an emblem like she is a staff member.
She asks where I am going then quickly taps the ticket screen.
She then points out the waiting area.
I thank her and she asks for money. I was really surprised, I said, sorry?, I dont have any.
She got really annoyed and started to tell me that she had two kids to feed and I needed to pay her.
Pay for what I said?.
She said something about helping and that I needed to pay her, she was very insistence and angry.
I just walked off.
It was only a quick 5minute or so interaction but it really bothered me

went to venice with my family, full of tourists but somehow i managed to get into the palazzo ducale in between tour groups and had lots of time to just walk around and explore the premises with minimal interaction or some tour guide yapping in my ear. that was kind of cool.

aside from that, what did i do... just walked around some museums, ate expensive pizza which wasn't really that good near the canal, bought knickknacks... yeah, the place was mostly a soulless tourist shithole but whenever i talk about it in real life i portray it as this lifechanging beautiful city because that's what normies wanna hear. the truth is Padua was much more interesting.

>>2443566
Venice is really nice, but you got to get off the main tourist streets and the city will be mostly deserted even during the day. I woke up super early to see St. Mark's and some other sights and there was hardly anyone around, so it is possible to get a good experience. Padua is cool too, yeah. IIRC the train goes right to Padua from the Venice train station, so it is possible to commute back and forth as everything gets much cheaper once you exit Venice.

>>2443554
Weren’t you talking about gourmet food?

>>2443566
>ate expensive pizza which wasn't really that good
Why would you eat pizza in Venice?

>>2443566
grand canal is by far the most disgusting place I visited in italy, low season end of march and still clogged with tourists beggars scum on the pavement

if you walk to the east to the parks by the water, the arsenal area, venice is lovely, I too was shocked and dissapointed when I wanted to check off that stupid bridge off my list of sights to see

also, for pizza its again off the beaten track but I had great pizza in like 2 places, just went for the google reviews, hole in the wall slice and delicious, nothing fancy, even a simple margherita with a lot of tomato soul

>>2443634
You can find good pizza everywhere, although Venice must be filled with loads of crappy tourist trap places since they don't serve locals. Most places close down very quickly if the food or prices are not good since no one goes there, but with tourists you can sell shittier food at higher rates. But yes, they should have tried the local dishes, they got a few specialities which are very good.

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>>2434888
do the pathway of the gods in the Amalfi Coast

>>2441837
>Harald baldr on YouTube was in Florence or something and squared up to one on camera while filming and they kept trying to push him down a side alley where they were gonna stab him or 50 of them would jump out. He took footage to cops stationed right next to it and they shrugged and said what do you want us to do about it
Someone in the comments said that it was aired on Italian tv and the sandniggers in the video have been kicked out of the country.

Also, Harald is looking for shit. Not saying it's a bad thing but he's got into fights in every country he's been in.

>>2445036
He's such an unlikeable ugly autist. Walks around like he's made of wood, so uncomfortable and stiff. Why is he popular again? His videos with Bald aka Benjamin make a painful contrast between the two.

>>2432712
In the cities Italians can be rude but not anymore so than anywhere else in my experience.

I went with my family to a more remote village in the mountains near Naples and an older woman and her soon basically took us under their wing and were the most hospitable people I've ever met.

>>2445087
>He's such an unlikeable ugly autist. Walks around like he's made of wood, so uncomfortable and stiff. Why is he popular again? His videos with Bald aka Benjamin make a painful contrast between the two.
I couldn't have put it better myself. He's always got that simpleton look on his face.

Then you look at someone like Bald who, glib Jew though he is, is also charismatic and charming in a way only a British public school graduate can be.

>>2445141
Harald exposed bald for being fake. Doing 20 different takes trying some local street food and throwing it directly in the bin but on video proclaiming how delicious and wonderful it is

>>2445226
>Harald exposed bald for being fake.
Yeah bro I covered that with "glib Jew"

>>2432593
I've never been, but I plan on visiting Florence and Rome in January.
Figured the cities will be more pleasant with fewer tourist hordes. What do you guys think? I have two weeks set aside for the trip, should I add in anywhere else? How many days should I spend in those cities?

>>2445438
Don't go

>>2445438
Go to Florence, South Carolina, they have the best brewery in the world (they don't do Bud light shit).
America N°1

>>2445438

Are you actually interested in arts and architecture or are you just going there because these are popular destinations?

Bologna is right in between just in case. I'd do 5 Rome, 3 Florence, 3 Bologna with another 3 days for whatever else catches your attention.

>>2447625
What would you do in Florence?

>>2447648
Deal with Africans trying to sell you things and look at a bridge. Idk why people talk up Florence so much, I thought Milan was better but that's an unpopular opinion.

>>2432712
Yeah, sounds like Northern. Southern is pretty friendly and patient.

>>2447807
Milan was a soulless city with jack shit going on. Felt like Baltimore or another dead American city in lots of parts.

Florence has plenty to see. Yes, it's jam-packed with tourists, but you can walk down any street and the architecture is beautiful and there's generally some sort of historical site worth checking out. I personally preferred Bologna, though. Less packed with tourists, architecture that's pretty distinct (the towers looming over the city and visible from basically anywhere was cool), and good food that's cheaper than Florence.

I couldn't wait to get out of Milan, but wish I skipped it entirely and spent more time in Florence or Bologna.

Never visit Rome, bros...

>>2432593
I spent 3 or 4 days in Italy in 2016. Went to Rome, Venice, and Florence. It was hot as fuck but it was August so that's to be expected but it was my first time traveling and I was not prepared. I love all the old statues and shit that are in Rome. Feels very grand. Venice is alright but it's a meme destination imo. I can't even remember what Florence was about. Italians always seem like they're pissed off, but I can't tell if that's because that's just how they are our because they're dealing with tourists all the time. I recommend Rome.

>>2448797
What do you mean Venice is a 'meme'?

>>2448797
>because they're dealing with tourists all the time
that's it, take it from an italian that lives in a touristy city

>>2440776
>Turin
any other cool things to do there in July? whether history, architecture, nature, or clubs/social events

>>2447625
Yes, I am interested in arts and architecture. Also food. I'll do that amount of time in each of those cities, plus day trips from each. I'd love to see San Marino and Pompeii and those seem like good day trips

I can't handle any cheese that's sharper than cheddar. Like, if I was forced to eat something covered in parmesan or gorgonzola I would legit puke.
Will this be a problem in Italy?

>>2450905
Nah, cheese is on the side usually, unless the recipe requires it

>>2450905
Most dishes don't use cheeses, they're usually eaten on their own. Cakes usually use soft cheeses like mascarpone or ricotta. Pizzas obviously use mozzarella typically. Some other cheeses feature, but you'd know as pizzas are listed by their ingredients on the menu. Most pasta dishes are served with parma or grana, but it's optional if you put them on.

>>2436094
I live in Tuscany and I 100% agree with you. Lucca is one of the best cities, if not the best, in terms of liveability in the whole region. Beautiful town, well connected, extremely well kept

Most of Florence feels like a shithole when compared to Lucca as soon as you leave the most touristy area

>>2432712
You either are very rude (and you don't realize you are), or very American, there's no other possible explainations. No one likes Americans here, and in most major cities locals rightfully hate tourists as mass tourism is destroying the quality of life across most of the country

>>2450959
>No one likes Americans here
NTA anon by that's not very nice, and I bet it's not true.
I've never been anywhere where I got this vibe, the only people who are routinely rude to me are Canadian tourists

>>2432593
I went to Emilia-Romagna a couple of weeks ago.
The food was cheap and good, the people were friendly and it was beautiful. 5/5 would recommend it. The best part was that there were no British idiots roaming the streets.

>>2440776
>unless you just really want to get robbed
Woah buddy, if you get robbed in the EU you must be so stupid/drunk

>>2451119
>the only people who are routinely rude to me are Canadian tourists
White Canadians are the fucking worst. They're Americans but poorer and mean-spirited. Poojeets are at least kind to everyone. The French are alright too.

I work in Venice and live in the mainland. It's a very difficult city to live in, even if you're in the more tucked away areas where you don't see a gorillion tourists. The problem is that often you have to deal with them anyway because they clog the main arteries of the city. If you take the time to get off the beaten path, you can find out that people still live in Venice itself and that it's not a theme park

>>2451249
>If you take the time to get off the beaten path, you can find out that people still live in Venice itself and that it's not a theme park
It's actually a very charming city to wander around in, once all the tourists are gone. Summer nights are magical in Venice.

>>2451159
You never visited Milan, Rome or Naples lmao

>>2450959
>you’re le rude!
>actually even if you aren’t rude you deserve it!
I think you’re actually the rude one

>>2436078
That’s just because you’re chad. If you were incel you’d have gotten people staring at you, rhythmically snapping their fingers all at the same time, as you walk down various alleyways.

>>2432862
This. If you don’t look european you’re not going to be welcome there. Quite refreshing actually. Glad some people aren’t cucks.

T. Im a Black gorilla nigger myself actually

>>2434876
Dont do cinque, it was good until insta and tiktok ruined it as others have said. You’ll be greeted by pretentious snarling roasties deliberately obstructing your views and glaring at you

>>2451654
>>2440776
The fuck? I’ve ridden the subway in rome plenty of times. Never seen anything bad at all. You’re probably american.
>Oh my GOSH italy WAS ahMAZIng!
>OOOhhh nooOOO! The subway in Europe is DANGEROUS!
Definitely an American. You guys lie about the dangeprusness in other parts od the world to distract from your thirdworld, ACTUALLY dangerous shithole.

>>2451654
Yes I have. Didn’t see anything suspicious or dangerous, and thats the case for every european city, big or small. Of course it is possible to get robbed or mugged, but very uncommon. Just be aware of your stuff and surroundings and nothing will happen.
I dont really get it why you guys fear such places? Average city in the US is more dangerous than any place in Europe.
Los Angeles has more murders than in a year than most countries here:D
T. Eurofag

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>>2451731
>>2451817

>>2451654
I've been to Milan at least twenty times because my girlfriend has relatives there and I've never had any issues, even late at night. I'm not Italian.
>le Milan subway bad
I've also taken it dozen of times and I don't understand what are they talking about. It sucks when it's fully packed, but that's mostly because you hardly have any space at all during peak hours.

>>2451851
NTA, but I'm >>2451869 and I have no clue what on Earth they are babbling about. The only really shitty thing about Milan is how Centrale always has a pack of dirty bums in front of it. Any areas with any sort of danger are in outskirts, where no tourists ever go, and even then it's just sketchy suburbs where rarely anything happens. People will visit once, think Europe as a theme park, see some beggar and then go online and make it out like they were nearly murdered. That or there's a 50% chance they're actual /pol/tards who have never actually been anywhere and just write up bullshit larp stories.

>>2451871
>That or there's a 50% chance they're actual /pol/tards who have never actually been anywhere and just write up bullshit larp stories.
Can this meme die already? Chuds travel too

>>2451872
I really doubt it sometimes, I've spotted straight up lies quite many times while reading posts on this board. Things that I know aren't true by experience, and things you'd know if they had actually visited. I'm not talking about speaking in pure memes, just getting small details wrong. Sort of like that moment where that guy in 40 y/o virgin says that tits are like bags of sand.
Milan sucks for some homelessness issues and what not, but it's not some dangerous ghetto. Weirdly enough I guess it is mostly Americans who post these things, considering most posters here seem to be from US, and it's strange to me seeing crime statistics in major EU cities vs major US cities. I have a few American friends and what I've heard the worst EU ghettoes are fairly pedestrian compared to actual ganglands in US.

Europe is very safe, end of. Tens of millions of tourists go on without anything happening to them, and the fraction that has actually ever suffered any sort of crime is miniscule. To get scammed you got to be a real dumbass in most situations, especially in EU where there's information everywhere on the internet tbH. Not saying it's a paradise, but to become overfixated on this shit is unhealthy. If you want danger go to Brazilian favelas lol.

>>2451872
I have been to almost all countries in southern Europe and I have lots of IRL friends who travel too.
Not once have I heard that someone got robbed or scammed or anything like that. Well somebody stole my brothers wallet when he left it unattended on a beach in Spain, but that is the only incident.
And I have stayed in hostels and hotels both, used subways, trains, taxis busses etc. I have been drunk as fuck and even high, but nothing has happened. If some beggar tries something, just tell them to fuck off or don't pay any attention, but I don't see them as much of a problem because they are easy to deal with.

I don't know how you could get robbed in Italy xd, do you wear thick gold chains and walk around with a briefcase that has dollar bills sticking out of it or WTF And even then it would be unlikely...
Grow balls you stupid mutt so you dont have to fear every little thing!

I am planning to go to Tuscany for 7 days and Rome for 5ish with my gf in September this year. Probably going to rent a car and pick some place as a base for our Tuscany travels, can you guys recommend where should we situate and which cities are must visit? I see Lucca mentioned here a lot.
For Rome, is renting on the outskirts and travelling by metro viable? We both are students so I wish we could go for 2000€ each for the trip. Also we're from Croatia, so also not renting but going with my car is also an option

What's the airport in Rome like?

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>>2452064
>is renting on the OUTSKIRTS viable?
>>2452157
>What's the airport in Rome like?

>>2452064
>For Rome, is renting on the outskirts and travelling by metro viable?
Why not? Just double check if the neighborhood is decent. And metro timetables to see when is the last train back to where you're staying.

>be me a burger, excited to travel to Italy

>always dreamed of exploring Rome, Venice, and Florence

>finally saved up enough money and booked my trip

>arrived in Rome, everything is beautiful and historic

>decided to take a walk at night to see the sights

>suddenly, I hear footsteps behind me

>turned around and saw a group of guys walking towards me

>thought nothing of it at first, but then they started to get closer

>next thing I know, they grab me and demand my money and phone

>terrified, I gave them everything I had

>they left me on the ground, bruised and robbed

>feeling violated and betrayed, decided to cut my trip short and go home

it's a beautiful country, but not worth risking your safety for.

>>2452561
Were they Italian or were they from the middle east or africa

>>2452157
like the airport in itself? pretty great actually
the moment you step out? well...

>>2452563
Im not sure, they were not white but could be italians also…

Went to Rome, Florence, and Naples last year. Went in June it was my first time in continental Europe. It was VERY crowded, which I guess is expected. Also, barring Naples, it was dirtier than I expected.

What really surprised me is how many scammers there were in Rome and sometimes in Florence. There were a shit ton of them in the Spanish Steps. The flower and bracelet ones were prevalent.

I will say though that even though I didn't feel secure about my belongings I never felt once that my life was in danger.

>Be me, travel to Italy
>Decide to take the subway in Milan to explore the city
>Enter the train, its almost empty
>Suddenly, a group of pickpockets surround me
>They distract me and steal my wallet from my pocket
>Panic sets in as I realize what just happened
>Try to chase them but they quickly disappear into the crowd
>Left stranded in a foreign city with no money or identification
>Spend hours at the police station, trying to file a report
>Language barrier and the fact that they are rude makes it difficult to communicate with the officers
>Finally manage to file the report, feeling frustrated and exhausted
>Spend the rest of my trip worrying about my stolen identity and money

Never going back there, the other anon is right about the subway, its horrible.

>>2452593
Your life is always in danger when there are other people around, they could very easily just behead or rape you, so beware.

>>2452581
Italians are NOT white
Mamma mia gabagool

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>>2452598
This is why Euros walk around with a pouch or a bag or whatever (even the men)

>>2432712
They were always very friendly to me, but they are extremely lazy and you have to understand that if you expect them to not be lazy they will become hostile.

>>2436301
Why do you subhumans always run, bellowing like an animal, through <insert any place and every place> while you explosively shit yourselves? Is this a board meme?

>>2452843
Italians built the greatest empire this earth has ever seen, why are they so lazy in modern times?

>>2436312
You shit yourself like a dumb animal at every stop on your trip.

>>2442329
Meloni has cleaned up some of the niggers (or something). Last time I went back it was markedly better than previously (still too many niggers though).

>>2451712
>pretentious snarling roasties
I saw a bunch of these snarling at each other, then they’d be all smiles, posing with their legs lifted up for a couple of seconds, and then immediately back to snarling at each other.

>>2452848
they did what they had to do, now they can rest

>>2452979
True
I haven't been to Italy but I encountered a gaggle of Italian girls at a hostel in Prague and drank and went out with them.
They were hilarious, literally every Italian stereotype is true

>>2452854
The one positive result of Italy's cucked immigration policies is it has resulted in lots of cute Argentinian girls getting European passports. Send more!

>>2453163
I find the Italian accent so charming in women. Even if it sounds unbelievably ridiculous and cartoony.

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>>2432593
Pros
>Vatican is remarkable. You'll be awe struck.
>Rome is pretty cool as long as you don't leave the tourist area

Cons
>Insanely filthy outside the tourist areas. I honestly though I stepped in a third world country visiting Naples.
>Terrible drivers.
>Chicks aren't nearly as hot as they make them out to be.

Just based on my experience, it's largely a meme country. But the Vatican really is beautiful.

>>2453543
Would have to agree with Naples, just a grimey and generally unpleasant place. Pompeii was great though and probably the only reason to pass through Naples.

>>2432593
My mom got pickpocketed in the metro in Rome , she was distracted talking to some girl complementing her hat or something and opened her money belt ,WHICH I TOLD HER SEVERAL TIMES TO PUT IT BEHIND HER SHIRT, and stole her cards and cash, luckily they were a zipper away to take her passport
Still , would visit again

Currently in Naples after being in Florence for 3 days. Then onto Rome.

Italians are generally very friendly and dgaf if you speak English straight at them, they will usually do their best to speak English back at you.

The only thing that has straight up irritated the fuck out of me is NPC locals walking along the street and running straight into you. They simply do not move out of the way to let you pass by, despite being 2 or 3 abreast. And they are not being rude either, just completely oblivious to what’s going on around them. It’s literal Chinese tier spacial awareness.

Also, cars flying through internet at high speed despite the pedestrian light being green. The traffic rule seems to be every man for himself. I don’t know how the country functions when everyone is so selfish in that way.

>>2453562
*Flying through intersections

Fucking forced to phone post while I’m here

>>2452598
Lol that you would expect the Italian cops to give a fuck, let alone pursue this

>>2452064
Outskirts = niggers

>>2453561
Fucking mutt tourist kys

>>2453364
She's 1/16 Italian bro. Pure-blooded Aryan queen

>>2453562
Also everyone dresses like it’s the middle of winter despite it being sunny and 24 C outside. I find that very odd.

Everyone wearing thick furry coats and scarves, while I’m sweating away in a T shirt.

>>2453239
I have an Argentinian ex and she got Italian passport because of her ancestry. She's the best fuck of my life, I love Argentinian women so much, they fuck like no other. Now she's married to some dummy who doesn't know I was fucking her on the floor and spitting in ther mouth while calling her my whore. The moral? Don't get married to an Argentinian woman.

>>2453543
>>Chicks aren't nearly as hot as they make them out to be.
meh it can be a preference thing
I have never seen an ugly Italian

>>2453562
>They simply do not move out of the way to let you pass by
based italians

>>2440776
posts like yours tell me that white people deserve the knockout game

>>2453562
Did you go alone? If so, did meet people?

>>2452854
I confirm this, in Florence you don't get harassed at all.
You only see brownies near the market/train station but most seem to have their own stalls or are Ubers.

>>2455135
No with gf

>>2455227
>tfw no with gf

I'm going to Pisa next month for a couple of days. Any tips on how to get girls there?

>>2439391
>Just this morning I had some old lady stop the bus from Catania to Siracusa from leaving for 10 minutes while I went buying a ticket at the kiosk.
You're making this up, italian buses let you buy tickets by asking the driver or using an app.

>>2432712
I lived in the countryside in Piedmont and had the opposite impression. Switched to Catania since last year and I can't stand them. Sicilians in general are really beginning to grind on me, which is kind of odd considering most people regard Southerns as warmer. And no the language barrier is a non-issue

>>2455998
Is making a tinder/hinge/bumble account and putting something like "In (place name) for a few days just looking for some fun) a good strat for guys? Chicks do it all the time and I have to assume it works for them.

>>2456269
Are you 6’2”+ and 9/10 attractive or better?

If not don’t bother

>>2456004
Every city is different, dum dum
>>2456269
idk, try it and let us know for future reference

>>2453561
Your mom is a dumb bitch.

>>2452621
NTA, I have one of those but it doesn't have an inner pocket, am I supposed to deathgrip it whenever I go out?

>>2432712
I am really sorry.
As you said it's true Italians are not even friendly towards each other.
I am sad the worst of us comes out because we also have the best people in the world but they are fewer than the shit heads.

>>2436046
>Naples pizza is not as superior
Naples has many restaurants and some places are regarded as the holy grail of pizza.
Just like with coffee there is a coffee shop in naples called bar mexico (ironically)and there I found the tastiest coffee ever.

>>2456420
Fuck off

>>2456403
>am I supposed to deathgrip it whenever I go out?
It's tightly fastened across your chest dude, if a pickpocket can stand in front of your face, unzip the bag, and take out your shit without you noticing, I don't know what to tell you

>>2456482
but what if it's a hot girl pickpocket? :(

>>2456491
>having the hots for gypsies
anon
anon please

>>2432593
Uh.. Mafiabros.. What is our response?

>>2434739
Does Italy have any whoring infrastructure? Spain is kino just for that.

>thread has gone this long without a single mention of cooming
Are there any websites for whores? Are there brothels? How easy are the local women as an American?

>>2457635
No

>>2457648
>Are there any websites for whores?
Escortadvisor
>Are there brothels?
Not legal ones
>How easy are the local women as an American?
The same as any other part of Europe, but keep in mind italians tend to love OR hate americans, no inbetween

>>2457648
>How easy are the local women as an American?
They don't like mutilated cut dicks, they prefer normal ones.
Also, most italians mog the americans.

>>2432593
Went to Rome in winter before the Pandemic. Awful. One of the coldest weeks in Europe. But that wasn't it. Too many Korean and Chinese tourists. And the service at restaurants seem like they were either understaffed or reluctant to accept more foreigners.

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>>2432593
I have only been to Italy for a week on a school skiing trip on a bus from the UK a very long time ago barely entering Italy (stayed in Bardonecchia the year BEFORE the winter olympics came to Italy, they were building the half pipe when we were there). Always wanted to go and be a generic NPC tourist, Pompei-Rome-Florence-Venice etc. but I never travelled much until recently, will be going later this year probably around September maybe in to October for 3-4 weeks. Seems like it's gonna be the best time of the year in not being too hot, people's summer holidays being over, kid backs in schools etc

>>2432593
Last time I went there was 2017, stayed at Venice and Como with my family

Venice was comfy but Como felt like boring ghost town

But I enjoyed the culture and the people were really nice and fun to be around

>>2432593
I slept behind a fence in a Park on Halloween in bologna

>>2458271
Filthy animal

>>2458680
I also slept outside a factory in Luxembourg

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Vieste was very comfy

>>2458702
wtf why did you do that

>>2459056
>nuns tits
LMAO italians are crazy

>>2458271
>>2458702
You’re the guy tracking in all the bed bugs aren’t you. Are you a migrant?

>>2432712
It’s because you’re male.

I was treated like a homeless migrant when I went to Italy by myself, I would def never go back. When I went to Italy with my ex gf they treated me way better. but retail workers/waiters would also randomly and abruptly stop talking mid-sentence and death-glare at me for a few seconds, before casually resuming what they were saying, smiling at my gf. It made us both pretty uncomfortable. It would just happen randomly and out of nowhere. I don’t like Italians very much anymore because they remind me of patrick bateman.

>>2460326
>retail workers/waiters would also randomly and abruptly stop talking mid-sentence and death-glare at me for a few seconds, before casually resuming
it's because they can't speak english very well and are looking for a word inside their brain
No matter how good you can speak a second language, you will always have doubts

>>2460355
>it's because they can't speak english very well and are looking for a word inside their brain
based

don't visit Rome, simple as
rotten hell hole full of scammers and robbers
2 friends of mine got robbed on public transportation

>>2453634
>I have never seen an ugly Italian
don't they get fat young from eating pasta all the time?

>>2460326
Stfu what ur saying is irrelevant as fuck you dumbass retard if you wanna complain about your life go on s4s

>>2463224
you are mixing up italians with wops

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What is there to see in Liguria except Genoa?

>>2464002
Sampdoria

Went to Florence in 2009. Great art and thankfully i got tockets for everything long beforehand. Very crowded. Saw some gypsies having a fight.

>>2464204
>Saw some gypsies having a fight
based

Off to Sicily on weekend. Got a cheap flight and booked 3 nightsn Catania.
>How bad is the refugee situation? Is it a fucking shithole?
>Will Mt Etna be pozzed if its raining and due to recent eruption? Also any cheap and kino ways to get up without paying €30 for a fucking cable car?
>Syracuse ruins worth daytripping for?
>Best beaches nearby?
>Are spooky dooky African refugees doing rain dances to fuck up the weather?

>>2464868
Syracuse is worth visiting for a day. The beaches in Catania are shit but the closest nice ones are around Giardini Naxos and Taormina. Go from Syracuse and beyond to Noto if you want more beaches. Where did you book to stay in Catania?

Best Pisa tips?

>>2464990
Skip it and go to Verona instead.

>>2463190
>2 friends of mine got robbed on public transportation
your friends are retards

>>2432593
I am going to Naples for around 5 day next week. Recomendations on what to do? Is Ischia worth it? Solo travel btw.

>>2465457
>Solo travel btw
enjoy getting robbed

>>2465457
don't go to naples

>>2436301
Kek

>>2432593
Tell me more about the south.

>>2467118
don't go

Genoa was my favorite of all Italian cities I visited, no idea why it isn’t more on people’s radars.

Don’t visit Brescia and Parma, they’re fairly boring.

Milano is the wealthiest and most developed feeling Italian city, but also fairly soulless.