Teaching English abroad generalThought I should bring this back
>>2423063Previous threadshttps://archive.4plebs.org/trv/thread/2352590/https://archive.4plebs.org/trv/thread/2394758/
>>2423064https://archive.4plebs.org/trv/thread/2413100/
>4 years still no JET>try ai chatbot to help me write a better essay>mfw its basically the sameI suck at writing non-generic shit. How do I do better?
>>2423063teaching english abroad is fucking garbage now. Used to be great.
>>2423255Why?
Should I use Asian-American literature to teach my students?>>>/lit/21787899
Okay bros, how more likely will JET take me if I have:>A masters in a humanities subject>assistant teaching experience from doing the Masters degree>Doing part-time substitute teaching at my local middle school and high schoolAlso, if I tell them I have more experience with middle and high schoolers, will they more likely place me in one of those?
>>2423189>>2423285If you anons really want to do JET, you need to realize the weebs in charge really don't care about teaching experience, desire for teaching, or suitability for teaching. They see it as bringing cultures together. The successful JET applicants talk about how much they love Japanese culture and how they want to do shit like start an English speaking tennis club for grannies in whatever inaka town they get sent to.The whole purpose of JET is to send gaijin to the countryside. Most gaijin don't want to go to the countryside unless they want the cultural and language immersion. Gaijin with teaching experience can get jobs in the cities, or even worse, cause friction with the Japanese schools and teachers you're supposed to be acting as a human tape recorder for. If you appear to be a candidate who could piss of the Japanese teachers, or fuck off and take your work visa to get a better job in a more exciting city, you'll face an uphill battle convincing them to pick you.They think they know from their own experience that the best JETs are weebish human tape recorders. So be that guy. Tell them you want to immerse yourself in Japanese culture and language and downplay any teaching experience you have. Don't hide it, just use it to demonstrate that you're not afraid of kids and you can follow instructions.
>>2423368I thought JET filtered out weebs?
>>2423368Instead of anime, what if I tell them I love Japanese cinema?
>>2423395The JET selection committees are all weebs who feel the purpose of JET is for cultural ambassadorship.... not teaching. That's not to say they won't filter out clearly undesirable people, but they aren't looking for teachers, and if you wind up in Japan you will meet many people who applied for JET, didn't get selected, and went over in various other teacher roles, and you'll meet a few JETs who are anything but teachers. The JETs mostly won't be bad people but they clearly weren't selected to improve the standard of inaka school districts English education.
>>2423063>have a master's degree in history >currently finishing a bachelor of education with history as a teachable major and English as a teachable minor >graduating next yearIs this enough for tier 2/tier 3 international schools? The program requires that you finish an apprenticeship inside local schools for both years, and I am going to be teaching a university course this summer
>>24230632 weeks till JET interview results bros, how are other applicants feeling?I put it in the back of my mind for months but now it's nearly here it's tough to focus on much else.
>>2423368>>2423435this 100%. the current seniority of JET only want to hear about how big of a japanophile you are and how far you lean left. they want to hear that you're a bleeding heart liberal and that you've been obsessed with anime your entire life. because thats who they are as well. if you show them that you are qualified to take their job, your application is binned instantly.
>>2423910Can you show proof of any of this?
>>2423910you can believe me or not. i dont really care. i'm the 3rd person in this thread to say the same thing. if you think we are all liars, that's on you. do your own research and see where your own application gets you.
>>2423943woops. >>2423948 is meant for you.
I only want a degree to teach TEFL. What's the easiest and cheapest way to go about college to attain this? Last time I tried to go to college COVID ruined it
Imagine actually paying for college instead of just lying about it on your cv. Complete cuckeryt. highschool dropout with a better more prestigious resume than you
>>2424137Just get an Education degree and then get the CELTA
>>2423910>>2423435I’m confused. What are these selection committees? I thought the JET interview was done at embassies/consuls by Japanese diplomats?
>TEFL-qualified>not moving to China to stack rambos and slurp crypto at current rock-bottom pricesanons...
>>2424714You can't be serious.
>>2424157They check your qualifications now so you're either larping or lied about your CV 5 years ago. You need to verify your diploma.
>>2424157I wish you could get away with lying but it just takes some dumb HR roastie 3 seconds to check,
>>2423282His silence pretty much speaks for itself. TEFL is a great way to save a lot of money while traveling.
>>2424786I just read the website bro, that's what it implied.
If you decide to get locked into a contract tied to your visa and housing tied to your job for a poor salary as an esl teacher you are very dumb. It's not even a good option as a broke young 20s hoping for a chance to travel.What you should do it travel as a student or training program, and with a residential visa, find part time work with English. It is easily found by word of mouth, you can get paid in cash and tax free, you can leave jobs with people you don't like, you can choose your hours, and you are paid more pet hour. The only cons would be, if you have clients far apart you travel a bit in one day, and if people randomly cancel you can still charge but people do cancel in advance for busy times, so you try to overload clients to make up for a slow month. Alternatively if you take more online clients you travel and cancel less but you earn less.This is also a good way to get childcare qualifications, and that along with good expertise and experience in private households leads you to working for richer clients. So mediocre people end up in esl, and quality people end up as private tutors. The former paid in peanuts and not respected, the latter paid very well and given perks.
>>2424157I mean you're kind of right. If you don't work in a serious company that run security clearance background checks, work in a foreign country, and don't need the degree for a visa, no one will ever know. Apostilled degrees are for work visas but someone already resident abroad could easily claim to have a degree, and even show a fake certificate and they would not even check.
>>2423282Too many teachers now. Wages have gone to shit. Also some countries are now employing Filipinos as teachers.
>>2423063I'm tired of life and the USA. I'm saying fuck it and going abroad for ESL in my 30's.
>>2425232No. It's usually 3 people. A CTE (or whatever they're called), former/current JET, and a representative. But overall, all companies are going the way of liberal Western management. I remember applying somewhere and the HR/interviewer was a massive sheboon. Looked up the company on Glassdoor and there were reviews complaining about her.
>>2425363What country are you going to? Are you lining up a job first or looking for something after you arrive?
>>2425355What countries are you talking about? Wages have always been pretty stagnant in TEFL. The fact that some countries (like Japan and China) are employing Filipinos is mostly due to increased demand and lack of bodies to fill that demand. But if you're talking about Korea, I agree 100% that it's a much worse place to work now than it was 10-15 years ago.
>>2424137>I only want a degree to teach TEFL. What's the easiest and cheapest way to go about college to attain this?Nobody can really answer this for you. It depends where you live. For the subject to study, the best advice for someone like yourself who was already in college but dropped out is to study what you find most interesting because then you're likely to stick to it and do well.
>finish a lvl 5 tefl course>imagine all the stuff which I am going to see >apply for 11 jobs so far>only 2 called me back for an interview where they told me they are sorry but they found an another candidateShould I just give up?
>>2425411If you got 2 responses out of 11 applications that’s actually quite good. Just keep at it and you’ll get something within a month or two more. Just send out 1 application a day for 30 days and see what happens.
>>2425370Then why does the website say I have to travel to do an in-person interview at the Japanese embassy/consul?
>>2425392>But if you're talking about Korea, I agree 100% that it's a much worse place to work now than it was 10-15 years ago.Why is that?
>>2425390Taiwan. I have a company interested in me but they want me in country first, so technically I have a job lined up. I taught in Japan before le coof and disliked it, but I think that had to do more with the shitty school and boss.>>2425537nigger go to JET reddit or something. i guess thats where they have the interview.
>>2425363Im in Jet in my 30s and I am heading home. Reason is because America has far more opportunity to make money. I cant start a family with teaching for a shit wage.
>>2425558I can't stand the JET Reddit. They are all fucking idiots with mental issues. JET is full of idiot left-tards.
>>2425982>JET is full of idiot left-tardsExactly what I've been trying to tell him. >>2425979And what do you plan to do when you get home? Do you even have a place to live now that you left?
>>2425979Japan isn't the place to make money doing kids TEFL, and doing JET doesn't prepare you for teaching or doing anything other than JET. There are opportunities to make good money teaching in Japan if you are teaching adults and professionals, but if you don't have any interest in it then you're doing the right thing by returning home. TEFL isn't for everyone. Most people should treat it as a way to live abroad for a few years and have a plan for when they want to go home.
>>2426011JET is extremely easy with loads of down time. I never feel bad for people who didn't use that time to learn japanese or some other skill. You literally have 20+ hours of desk warming a week.
>>2426007Gonna go back to my folks, and go back to doing ems jobs to get hours for a med grad program. I was stupid to think Japanese women would want to be with someone who cant pull in money just because I am white. Dating and marriage are two different things. I am over Japan.
>>2426013Even if you get a job that makes 6,000,000, That is shit compared to what you can make in America. There is a reason why people are flooding to get here, and normal americans dont want to leave and live anywhere ells.
>>2426033The point was that you're still earning a livable, and then some, wage. You didn't bother to do anything with the mass amount of free time you have. That's on you.>>2426031Good luck anon
>>2426036Thanks man but your missing the point. No Japanese person can make the money that Americans make. Even if I was N1 I would not live here. To give up the golden ticket of America is dumb as hell in my opinion. You are right that if you can get that average Japanese wage at 6,000,000 Yen, You can have a family, but that money in Universal terms is only worth like 45k USD. So unless you only want to buy local things made in Japan and never travel, never own your own house, then go for it.
>>2426044I feel like it kinda balances out if you find a low COL place, which isn't terribly hard to find.
I've applied for some CELTAs and I'm aiming for Taiwan or Vietnam. Not sure how I'm gonna handle a hot country but fuck it, might as well go outside my comfort zone.
So what countries have the best social scene for ESL teachers? I'm trying to avoid getting stuck with anime-obsessed weirdos and other blue-haired trash. I've heard that Korea and Japan are bad options for this reason. I'm also trying to go somewhere where the gender balance among expats is heavily female so I have an easier time getting a date. Another reason I'm sceptical of these countries since I don't want to get cucked by American military dudes. Not interested in dating locals (been there done that it looked like webmrel).Is Taiwan good? Or how about Vietnam? I'm not bothered about money I just want to have fun at this point.
>>2426579Sounds like you want to go to Vietnam. It will hit up all your points.
>>2426579>>2426500How old are you?
>>2426646I'm 24 >>2426579
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>>2426650>>2426655I don't think he's an experienced old fart asking your age to give you personalized advice. He probably has not taught English abroad. Nobody who has would reply to you with that.
>>2426658I did ESL in Japan actually. I was just asking cause I was curious the age people are wanting to do ESL now. But you did contribute a lot with your reply.
>>2423063Regardless of any reason you're doing ESL, make sure the school has a curriculum, textbooks, and materials. Taught at a school with no textbooks, curriculum, class roster, and no technology. Only very few materials such as plastic fruits and animals. Was thrown into classes and expected to give top tier lessons. That experience fucked me up for a while.
>>2426952How did you manage?
>>2425979America is shit. Enjoy living like a slave.
>>2426579No Tefl girls date Asian men. If you can’t date them when they are attention starved you probably can’t date them
>>2427138Yeah but I'm worried if I go to Japan or Korea I'll have to compete with US military guys for expat women. Want to go somewhere where everything is stacked in my favour.
>>2427134I didnt. I was constantly stressed and felt like my brain was physically cracking. I only lasted 6 months. My boss would often criticize me during class and I had to take a 1 hour singing lesson with her every Thursday. Along with an unpaid 1 hour meeting in front of my apartment 3 days of the week. Along with community service 4~ hours almost every Saturday. I'm going overseas again soon and I'm scared due to the previous experience.
>>2427152Just avoid the military areas.... When I lived in Nagoya I saw anti military base protests a few times. Was extremely based.
>>2427152>I'll have to compete with US military guyswhat a weird thing to say, you sound incredibly autistic and sexpest like
>>2423063I'm a mid-20s professional from England on a normal white collar career path (in construction) seriously considering throwing it to the wind and doing TEFL. I have a bachelor's - do I have any chance of being selected, and if so would I be completely retarded to do it? It seems like most people doing this are fresh graduates.
>>2427191you're white, native language is english, and you have a degree. as long as you're not an autist, you'll be get selected. but who cares at what point in your life you do it. if you're unhappy with your current situation, change it. people who sperg about ESL are the same people who are angry because they're too scared to try it.
>>2427193Fair enough. Thanks Anon.
>>2427191You meet all the criteria for it, just be sure to have an exit plan. Or, if you really enjoy it, look at furthering your teaching career by getting QTS status with a pgce then move to proper international schools. Just don't get stuck as a lifer who only ever has a tefl certificate.
>>2427220I agree with the exit plan. Grind a skill for 6 hours a week. By 6 months, you'll be able to get certified in that skill and will look much better to employers when trying to transition out. By 1 year, you'll be fairly decent at said skill. 6 hours a week aint shit.
>>2423063TEFL in your early 30's... Career and social suicide?
>>2427460You wouldn't be the first, nor last.
>>2427460I ask this too.I speak 4 langues fluent. High level English but not native. Arts, Biz, Design background. Not sure if I should just be a teacher in Thai/Pinas/Viet and be a coomer or not…I don't particularly like Asian wimmins but I enjoy that sort of weather and food (second to Med. food of course).
>>2427460You’ll be fine. You can make a career out of TEFL too if you’re qualified.
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>>2428052piss off. nobody cares about your coomer shit
>>2423368Wait, so if I wanted to go to Hokkaido I just need to do JET? Neato
>>2423368Why do I have a feeling this guy is trying to sabotage my chances of getting into JET?
>>2428338I wrote that post. I live and currently teach in Japan off and on (currently "on"). I never did JET but I've met current JET, former JET, and many failed JET applicants. If you don't believe me, submit the standard "I'll be a great teacher" application. If and when you get rejected, play the weeb card on your next application.
>>2428338why would anyone give a fuck enough to sabotage you? read all the JET posts on /trv/. they all say the same thing, including what I posted. go to the JET reddit. go talk to current JETs. Do your own homework.
>>2428348>why would anyone give a fuck enough to sabotage you? I wasn't saying just me, but this dude seems to be trying to poison the well for JET applicants here.
>>2428357again, he isn't going out of his way to make threads or spam existing threads to poison any well. he gave you a harsh truth that you seem to reject and wont do any research into seeing what he's saying is correct or not.
>>2428392All my research online has told me the opposite, that JET filters weebs
>>2428486>JET filters weebsabsolutely not the truth. I know multiple people on JET and saw 1/2 of the 2022 intake and they are all weebs. majority were women and not white also. weebs in japan like to boast that they aren't weebs. just chat with them for an hour. they'll eventually show their power level and start sperging about how sexy they think some anime guy/girl is.
>>2428486also, I'm not trying to damper your spirits about JET. I 100% think you should pursue it and turn your application in as you have it written. And I truly do hope you get accepted. I'm just trying to tell you what the reality is. But living in Japan and doing JET is a great experience. Don't forget to grind a real skill with your free time though.
>>2428494>Don't forget to grind a real skill with your free time though.Suggestions on which skill?
>>2428854Anything. Want to be a full time teacher? CELTA. Code? Python or whatever language. IT? Comptia certs or CCNA. Whenever you want.
>>2428922I’m planning on getting the CELTA before applying for JET
>>2429062Are you trolling? The purpose of JET is to bring barely skilled but enthusiastic and friendly newbies into areas of Japan that have trouble attracting and keeping teachers. With a CELTA, you can find a better job and pick your location, even if you have no experience. Not to mention, if you list you have a CELTA on your JET application, you're almost sure to get rejected. They usually reject overqualified applicants. You'd fight an uphill battle to convince them you won't cut and run after getting posted to a small town and spending half your days commuting to different schools.
Is 30 too old? I basically just need something to do for a year while I wait for the next cycle of graduate school admissions.
>>2429684It's weird to me that this question is asked all the time. >is xx age to old to have a job?NO. ESL isn't some special bullshit. It's just a job. You don't have to love teaching, most people don't love their jobs. It's a means to an end.
>>2429680Huh, okay then.What should I do then? Because I was thinking a CELTA would help me get into JET more.Where should I look for jobs if I get the CELTA then. I’m very worried for following into something that’s scammy.
>>2429707Presumably you're focused on Japan? Apply for JET anyways, just don't wait until you get a CELTA. When you have a CELTA, apply to eikaiwa chains and whatever postings you find on ESL cafe. Make a gaijinpot job board resume. You should be doing those things now because many teaching jobs only do hiring once or twice a year.
>>2429846>Applying to eikawa chains with a celtaBruh. Maybe to use them for a visa only.>>2429846
>>2423063UK JET Results coming out, anyone else here get shortlisted?
>>2429925There are some eikaiwas that prefer CELTA holders, like Shane. But yeah, the point would be to use anyone to get a visa.>>2430010Congrats on getting shortlisted!
>>2430230any eikaiwa would prefer someone with a celta. certified teacher for the same price they'd pay a new graduate.
