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Is UK a decent country to immigrate too?

In USA I can make about 60k a year but I really hate my job (serious random drug tests and shit hours).

I have UK citizenship from my father, but I have not been in 25 years.

I have saved up a lot of money but is it worth immigrating too?

Is life better in USA being a garbage man than UK?

In USA garbage man is a pretty typical male job you make 25$ an hour, but work 50-60 hours a week doing hard labor with random drug tests, in a city with high taxes and 350k buys you a shit box.

And the retirement kind of sucks, it's shitty teamsters not government.
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>>2358350
>Is life better in USA being a garbage man than UK?
I was very curious about this, so I did ten minutes of Googling; the internet tells me that you’d make a lot less as a bin man in the UK than in the US. Starting salary (wage?) is evidently around £17K, maxing out at £25K or so, or up to £31K in London, but London is guaranteed to be exponentially more expensive than wherever you live now; with currency conversion it looks like the most a garbage man can possibly earn in the UK is about US$39,000. Wages are generally lower in the UK than they are in the US, across virtually all industries. But perhaps the hours or conditions might be a bit better?

I have multiple American friends who live in the UK, and it clearly agrees with them, but I think they all took pay cuts, and the ones who live in London laugh about how incredibly expensive it is; you won’t likely find a home to buy there for less than a million.

You might go for a visit and see if you actually enjoy it before you think about relocating. And perhaps think about skilling up to some type of better-paid work.
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Moving to the UK from the US would be a downgrade. The UK has a low standard of living and low wages. Living spaces are tiny, and Brits are rude and uneducated. I am British born but lived most of my life outside of the UK, wouldn't want to go back there desu.
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i dont think there are random drug tests i have no idea though
you would make a lot less money its probably a bad idea
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>>2358350
There are "no" random drug tests in the U.K. anon. Well there are a handful of small American firms that do it, but it's considered an imposition, and they’re almost always in finance or tech. Council bin men won’t get drug tested by their employer. Drug testing normally only happens if you get involved in a vehicle accident bad enough for the police to attend.

Retirement is better - salary related pensions are standard for public sector employees. Work for several decades and you get decent money as an OAP. Healthcare is included in your tax bill.

Main difference - land is scarce so housing is terrible value for money. On a bin man’s money you’ll be renting somewhere small for £££. If you bring enough $ with you to buy a place / get a mortgage it’s a better prospect.

Where would you move to?
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>>2358729
I don't care where I move too.
Was thinking Cardiff or Manchester... Basically the biggest cheap city, so housing will be cheaper and I can jump around jobs.
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maybe its wrth a try idk..
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>>2358762
Go to Chester and commute to Liverpool or Manchester is my advice. It's a smaller city within good distance to those larger ones but it's very old school English and beautiful and also on the doorstep of all the nature in North Wales.
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We are full.
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https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/82152813#/?channel=RES_BUY

So this seems really under priced as an American.

Let's just say this costs 80,000 usd....
You couldn't buy this for 150k in portland
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>>2358938
That's because it's student accommodation. Even if you could live there (unlikely), you really wouldn't want to live there.

Filter out Shared Ownership, retirement/lifetime leases, anything mentioning students or investment (ie. it has a tenant living there) and you're looking at £120-130k ($150k-ish)
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>>2358350
>Retirement
>Binman money
LOL
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>>2358350
OP here I forgot to mention that I'm Hispanic and trans so will the NHS provide my HRT?
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>>2360125
this kek
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>>2360087
Unless you're white
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>>2358350
Why would you move to an immigrant hellhole? Stay in the USA, there's plenty of nice, white only places in the mid-west.

Moving to the UK is akin to moving to Mumbai or Mogadishu. This place is a multicultural shithole with ever decreasing standards of living and public services, thanks to streetshitter nepotism.
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>>2358350
Real wages in the UK are very low, and average living spaces are almost as bad as Japan. I am reasonably happy here for now, I make decent money (though I hate my job) and live in one of the few nicer towns that hasn't been Islamified (yet). I may emigrate in the future. I don't think moving here from the US is a good idea currently, our economy is getting ugly and you will definitely have worse living standards than you have now.
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Leaf here with a similar question. Have been considering moving to Scotland when I have enough money saved up and experience in my field to translate skills over. How hard is it to get a work visa for the 6 months thing and is there difficulty applying for residency if I'd be able to secure a permanent job in the country?
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You couldn't survive on a UK wage because you weren't born into it. You need that innate sense of scrimping and saving and eating only 19p expired beans for years. I would never move back.
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>>2358350
Why are you trying to go to one of the worst countries in the west...
UK people are disgusting, their food is terrible, the weather is depressing, living standards aren't actually better than USA.
Move a bit right for better living conditions and down for more warm people.
USA has the best wages in the world, so you'll never gain more than there.
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>>2358350
Please don't. It's bad here. Shit weather, actual shit on the beaches, london sucks, nothing to do and everything is rly fucking expensive. If I wasnt a turbo autist neet id have left long ago.
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In contrast to the OP where is a good place to immigrate to FROM the UK. I am fucking sick of this place.
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>>2360962
>>2360971
>>2360992
>>2361071
UK bros is it really that bad?
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I would love to live in the Welsh speaking part of Wales, Cumbria, Northumbria, Scottish Highlands/Islands. Thing is as a White Man; I probably wouldn't even get a residency visa.
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>>2361078
Yes, it's fucking awful and I have almost nothing positive to say about it. To add to the other comments, it's even worse the more North you go. Think Detroit but EVERY town and city instead of just the one.
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>>2361078

If you like cities and go to London or Manchester as a tourist you will probably like it. Living here on the other hand is existing in a constant malaise where nothing good or bad ever really happens yet everything is fucked and always seems to be getting worse. And you have to pay a ridiculous amount of money to live in a tiny matchbox house unless you want to live in some northern chav infested shithole or Scotland (basically the same thing). People are also on the whole completely retarded, foreign or both. I also want to go to south america to coom but flights are too expensive. Welcome to the UK
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>>2361093
Dis be da op...
I want to live in a chav infested shit hole.
Its 500k to live in American city and get paid $25 an hour to do hard physical labor, having the government piss test you every 6 months, being surrounded by trans people, homeless and fat mexicans.

We get 5 days sick days a year, no vacation for the first year. You won't get 3 weeks until year 5.

You basically work until you die and arnt allowed to travel until you are senior management.

I want to travel and make a living wage.

I don't care if I have to live with low class white people

Can you give an example of these chav infested shit holes?
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>>2361116
Basically I don't want to sacrifice my life to make 5-8% of my net worth every year.
I want to have 4 weeks of vacation
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>>2361116

You work more but also definitely get paid much more than you would here. Bin man starting salary here is £17000, about $20000, literally a third of your current pay, and once you factor in income tax and national insurance this goes down to £15171 a year or £1265 a month, it will be impossible to live anywhere here like this.

As for the chav infested shitholes, just pick anywhere north of (and including) Birmingham. Here's some for free: Blackpool, Doncaster, Nottingham. There are some rare nice places of course but they will be much too expensive for the likes of you or me (or anyone not rich).

Consider this, even if you want to live in a shitty £70000 two bed apartment in blackpool of all places, if you have £7000 to cough up for a mortgage deposit that means you have £405 mortgage payments monthly. Add bills on top of this which are ridiculous right now probably north of £300, food costs for the month say £200 a month. You are now left with about £360 and we have not even factored in council tax, transport costs like car insurance (you will definitely want to drive here public transport is shit) or anything else you would like to do in your free time like your drugs. All of this so you can live in an absolute shithole like blackpool where you will certainly be surrounded by the scum of the earth.
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There are just better places to go than the UK.
London, Manchester, Birmingham are shitholes. Rural UK is comfy.
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>>2361206

That still is only equal to about £1700 a month after tax national insurance etc, and it seems based in macclesfield/crewe which will definitely be more expensive than Blackpool (although probably suits what you are looking for in terms of area) its doable on that salary but you will be living in a shitbox apartment. And that job requires a UK HGV and CPC license, so until you are here and pass those you will have no chance of getting that job, your US licenses are not valid. Atleast the roads here are decently safe (as there is so much fucking traffic its impossible to get up to a speed to do anything dangerous most of the time) so you should be able to pass them easily if you really wanted to.

Also you mentioned travelling. Travelling is ass here unless you have copious money. Everywhere fun costs hundreds in flights, and the closeby european destinations that are cheap like Italy France etc cost hundreds in accommodation anyway so works out to the same. The only places that are both cheap in flights and accom are boring eastern European nothing cities, although there are some exceptions eg Budapest.

I'm probably pretty jaded of this country at this place to be honest so take all this with a pinch of salt. If you really want to try it give it a go, as said its not really an especially terrible place, just a soulless one.
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>>2361206
Outside London and the South East that's a liveable salary but being the bin lorry driver is stretching the classical definition of being a bin man a bit. You could probably add another £5-10K onto that by being a normal HGV driver.

There's also the option of going on the social housing register. Without any kids or underlying conditions you'd be right at the back of a queue and you wouldn't get the rent paid for you but if you got one, you get 20%-50% off of the "market rate" rent and sometimes get the option to buy at a reduced price after a while. The disadvantage is council houses are more likely to be in a shitty area and you can get trapped in sink hole estates.
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>>2361351
>>2361385
Almost all bin man in america are Class A CDL meaning (+26000 lbs).

Truck drivers in USA normally make about 300$ a day of work (11 hour day); but I do think the working conditions are worse here, because they generally stay out 4 weeks and get 5 days home time.

The only problem with HGV is that I need a regular drivers license for 1 year before HGV.

I might make a trip to my cousin in Perth, Scotland just to get my drivers license; and see his horrible life as a taxi driver.
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>>2361411

If you can crash with your cousin while you do your driving and get the necessary licenses that will probably be your best option. Take it as a chance to explore the country a bit too see for yourself if you like it.
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>>2361071
Same

>>2361385
It is basically pointless signing up to that as a non severely disabled man. You will never get anywhere and people will be prioritised over you constantly. Someone who ticks their boxes who is homeless may have a place by a years time, but it may be infested with rats and be structurally unsound and unfit for purpose. Imagine living in a converted old house with thin floors and walls so you can hear every one of your neighbours movements and conversations, and this is aside from them being complete cunts. Meanwhile illegal immigrants get put up in 4 star hotel accommodation and dominos pizza all for free because the government is too backwards to repeal EU human rights laws to be able to deport them

OP and that one Canadian - I would not recommend you come here. Your salary and quality of life would be much better in your respective countries than here. Just move elsewhere in your country
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>>2361078
yes
the uk sucks ass and has ony gotten worse during my lifetime
salaries suck, taxes suck, col sucks, the weather sucks, it's too full, and the people suck
england has double the population density of italy people have no idea how cramped it is here
if you are already rich you can live on green belt but that is for boomers who made it
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>>2361071
Australia. I came here on holiday a few years ago and never left. Now I'm a permanent resident, looking at citizenship next year. No degree. Make £98k a year roughly. Engaged to a beautiful woman. Drive a big V8. Get phone calls twice a month trying to head hunt me for other jobs. I was a bit of a loser in the UK. 30k a year and chronic fat girl acquisition syndrome.
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Also, to pre empt noooooooo muh cost of living. Fuel is half price here lads. Property outside of Sydney and Melbourne costs fuck all. Food is comparable at worst and much higher quality. A lot of country jobs simply comp you all your meals anyway. What cost of living?
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>>2361489
Hello m8 what job should I gun for in order to make a good salary in Aus?
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>>2361499
What are you good at lad?
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>>2361500
I've got a background in admin and I'm studying something white collar in construction that I have a couple of years of low level experience in. You might say "well just do that then" but I am pretty flexible as although I find construction interesting I am not committed to doing the same thing I am studying as a job, at least not forever, but I don't foresee it being too hard to do something similar, so what do you recommend?
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>>2361504
You’re being kinda vague so I can’t really answer but admin isn’t a skill, jack that office shit in and go work construction or mining on site (or get a trade!)
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>>2361511
What in construction?
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>>2361157
This

Rural small towns and villages are comfy, everything else is mudslime infested shitholes (even small towns have them but less). Nicer parts of London are expense, the rest is little mogadishu and islamabad. Scotland is absolutely terrible, drug and chav infested shithole, people shit on England but jesus christ Scotland is way worse.
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>>2361514
Machine operator? Drainage crew? You can travel around Australia just doing shutdowns even and make better money than me. Just something specific that isn’t “admin” helps.
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>>2361489
>>2361521
I thought immigration was impossible to Australia after 30?

I can't get holiday visa, I would need a work visa.
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>>2361571
You thought wrong. Do you have a trade/profession?
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>>2361583
Just truck driving
2 year degree and one million in USD
I can get a general contractors license and start doing septic tanks
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>>2361590
>another vague post with no details of actual qualification
What do you want me to say?
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>>2361609
What qualifications is Australia looking for a work visa
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>>2358350
Lmao, the median salary in the UK is 10s of thousands of dollars less than US
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>>2361959
You want to read the SOL, the Specified Occupations List, which details required professions and which visas each one qualifies for. The page for each profession contains links to the visa type pages which detail age restrictions etc.
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>>2361078
while there is a lot of exaggeration because a lot of British people online are cucks who want to suck off Americans for the meme, it is getting quite dire here at the moment
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>>2362709
To make 50 grand a year in the UK, twice the national average, is to have less buying power and quality of life than a Canadian apprentice.
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>>2361965
How is the cost of living in small city vs the U.S. though when factoring in health insurance and everything else
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>>2362747
You will make less than a third of what you will in the US and US prices for many things are much lower than the UK. It’s unlikely you’ll be able to just live in the UK, you’ll have to do serious budgeting every single month. The developers at JAGEX (who make RuneScape) at the height of its profitability were making about 30k a year in todays money. A similar job in the US would be over 100k
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Europe in general is just shit. Low wages, shit weather, rude people, only thing going for it is shit built by dead empires, but nothing built today. If there were open borders between the US and Europe all of Europe would empty out overnight.
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>>2362763
Can confirm, mid range Web developer is looking at £35K in the UK. $90k in the US. It's temping to move but only software engineers get work visas

HOWEVER. I get 25 days of holiday + (~10) bank holidays + 1 day a quarter "wellbeing" and once you've been somewhere a year, it's really fucking hard to get sacked.
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>>2358350
UK is a grim shithole where you will earn less. As an EU fag that has lived in UK and Ireland, I'd rather live in US than any of those dreadful shitholes. They're downright dystopian. At least in US you can earn serious money. Plus you got real outdoors, whereas UK is like one back garden with hardly any woods. Food is dreadful. Only benefit is that Europe is very close, so you could take a cheap Ryanair flight to anywhere for a weekend or an extended trip.
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>>2358444

>Brits are rude and uneducated

Not true. Every Brit has a monocle, furs, butlers, and high-brow accents. Occasionally there's a chav but they're tucked away
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>>2361078

I'm originally from an area north of London and immigrated to the US in the mid-2000s. There are definitely times that I miss "home" but returning to visit often leaves me feeling rather bleak. As one Anon pointed out, very little changes (which is great if you like a sense of normalcy in that regard). The shops on high street might change faces but, again, not much else moves. It also feels like the population of my hometown has thinned out either through old age expiration or the younger crowd moving elsewhere for opportunities. I do miss many distinctively British things (nary a single neighbor had a kettle when I arrived in the US and I found it baffling) but I guess I feel more hopeful where I live now. And my accent attracted a lot of women, at least initially. I never had to worry about a social safety net so YMMV.
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>>2364009
>As an EU fag that has lived in UK and Ireland, I'd rather live in US than any of those dreadful shitholes.
thats because you have never been to the US. US is huge, there are definitely nice places to live but most are garbage with trash people, especially in this day and age.
UK is not great but it is also not bad, the beauty of the UK is that typical white English person (not from London or other big cities) does not give a fuck what some eurofag thinks about him or his country while in many European countries people are obsessed about what others will think about them (this is reflected in politics, culture and even mentality of individual people). In this regard UK is free and free'er than most of Europe, and USA is even more free, chances are you would probably dislike american mentality even more than British.
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>>2363997
I try to explain why the US salaries can be so high to euro's and other non americans quite often. basically, in EU countries, a slightly above average and a slightly below average professional worker are pretty close to parity with each other. in the US, if you are even a cunt hair to the right of the bell curve for what you do, you are going to live like a king but unfortunately if you are on the other side of that curve, you might not even get hired in the first place.
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>>2364135
>in the US, if you are even a cunt hair to the right of the bell curve for what you do, you are going to live like a king but unfortunately if you are on the other side of that curve, you might not even get hired in the first place.
Why?
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>>2364128
have you been to europe? the quality of life in somewhere like rural spain is an order of magnitute more comfortable and peaceful than the uk
people there really don't give a shit about the outside world and just live in close communities eating nice food and hanging out
in the uk people absolutely do care what people think about them and constantly try and signal wealth and status by buying whatever chavvy shit is fashionable or an overpriced car
we have all the materialism of the usa but without the wealth to even actually have nice things
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>>2364139
couple reasons.

1. very little in the way of job security/protection. if you don't perform, they just sack you and get someone else. this is reinforced by...

2. the american corporate world is still very much influenced by the Jack Welch style of management. aptly dubbed Rank n' Yank, meaning that if you fall to the bottom of the organization performance wise, your job is in jeopardy. and thats performance against your peers, not objective performance of the job itself. you could do your job just fine but if Joe Rockstar et al is beating your metrics, it doesn't matter.

3. talent is statistically rare and every organization wants to either stack its deck or at the least keep that talent out of the hands of the competition. tech companies are notorious for doing this buts its been a staple of american business for decades now.

4. american professions are very centered on the individual, meaning theres always one guy on any given project who's king shit of fuck mountain and when things go right, he gets most of the laurels but when things go wrong he eats all the shit and probably loses his job. euro's don't really do this to such a degree, decisions and responsibility/accountability is spread out through group consensus, which protects the individual somewhat when things go sideways. so in the US consistently good individual performers are rewarded very well while poor ones have their careers obliterated.
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>>2362747
About the same, for less of roughly equivalent quality.
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>>2364152
>1. very little in the way of job security/protection. if you don't perform, they just sack you and get someone else. this is reinforced by...
Lol lmao. You can be a total fuckup and keep your office job, doubly so if a racial minority.
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>>2364142
So you talk about small communities in rural spain which are mostly older folk and then chavs in UK, who are 99.9% urbam youth. Its not the right comparison, go to smallerot rural towns in the UK and older people are a lot more laid back, then go to cities or larger towns in Spain you will find the spanish urban youth and worse. I visisted few friends in rural Spain this summer and it was very comfy inside with ac on until I stepped outside and nearly died due to extreme heat.
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>>2364135
Honestly, even factoring this in, UK wages are hilarious. The top performer of a field in the UK will earn less than the mid level of that field in any other developed country (US, Australia, Canada etc). Add to this the extreme UK cost of living and shit weather (and proximity to even worse places like France). If you’re unfortunate enough to have been born there and not talented enough to emigrate, you can make nice lemonade still but you wouldn’t move there. You may as well hit your cock and balls with a hammer.
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>>2364166
Spain is way more rural than the UK though. The population density in England is more than double.
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I wanted to move to the UK because Australia is boring but this thread is putting me off desu.

Also the correct name for a person who drives a truck or heavy vehicle is a 'Truckie' and I expect people you to use proper terminology from now one.

Good on ya OP you big fat old truckie.
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>>2361119
>living wage

Why do all commies demand to be rich while they brag about being lazy? Is that from the communist manifesto? Anyway you mutts are spoiled as soon as you move elsewhere you will end up eating from garbage bins
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>>2364408
>I want to move to a small island because my huge continent containing every climate zone with much higher incomes and standards of living is boring
I give you 6 months before you begin to starve
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>>2358350
Moving to the UK from the US would make little difference at this point after a decade of decline.
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>>2364408
If you are Australian then I reckon you will like it. Every aussie that I have met that does the working holiday visa loved it here. I guess it is that feeling of returning to the motherland which gets the neurons firing. Or maybe its the fact cocaine is cheaper.
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>>2358421
Burger here
I know two girls who moved to the UK for grad school, both seemed to enjoy it very much
If you have cultural pretensions, enjoy nightlife, are interested in fucking Europeans, and have an American income, moving to London probably isn't such a bad idea
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>>2364128
I have literally no idea what you are saying. If anything UK is the most Americanised European country seeing how they're still obsessed with kneeling for BLM. Also the fattest country on the continent.
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>>2358729
land scarscity is not the issue. It's the home ownership schemes from the 70s pushed by Thatcher that fucked today's housing market.

As much as I hate living in the UK, it really doesn't get much better as far as quality of life which explains why housing is in such high demand.
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>>2364408
Agree with the other fag, you will probably love it but it depends what you want out of it. Want endless socialization, sports, food and access to Europe? You'll like the UK (London). Want plenty of space and access to more outdoorsy activies? Don't come here.

I want to do more free diving and fishing so hopefully I can move to WA sometime in the future. Also it's too cold.
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>>2365904
House prices didnt properly start shooting up until Blair in 97 and mass migration really started up
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I got dual UK/Canada citizenship might go back after my degree. I don't know if it's worth it.
UK is a bleak shithole, but Canada (and Canadians) are insufferable trash. Only considering it more out my dislike for Canada than wanting to go to the UK.



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