Leaving the West general thread.I live in the USA, how do i get out of this corrupt shit-hole for greener pastures?
>>2297305Just keep walking south until you hit Mexico
>>2297305Travel until you find somewhere you like. Then figure out how to move there.
You won't because you do nothing but make larp threads
>did you learn foreign language?>nodid you learn a trade skill?>no>did you learn engineering or medicine?>no>did you travel to the place you want to escape to?>no>did you talk to people that have travelled to that place?>no>do you plan on traveling to that place or talking to people who have been there >no>do you have any life goals or aspirations?>noOk. So what is it you are expecting from this magical "non-western" non-english speaking place you’ve never been to and never talked to anyone who has been there? God. You sound like such a fucking loser.
>>2297488t.A butthurt muttmerican
>>2297488>learn a foreign language memeEasiest way to spot someone who never left mommies basement
>>2297488This Obviously you will get shit on for saying it, because this board is filled with people that fit your description.If you don’t have at least a few of the following: in-demand skill, knowledge of the country, significant savings, grasp of the language, connections in said country, you have no business dreaming of ‘leaving the west’.Ironically; the same losers that shit on unskilled migrants coming to their country
>>2297305Ignore any retard that says you need special skills, foreign languages, experience with the country, etc. People try to overcomplicate things but this is really easy.Apply to colleges in countries you want to go to, they dont even have to be high ranked ones, just apply to ones that offer programs in english, you will get accepted because theyre desparate for american international student money, once you're accepted youre now on the path to easy citizenship.>website to help you find bachelors programshttps://www.bachelorsportal.com/>webite to help you find masters programshttps://www.mastersportal.com/
>>2298179>migrantst. Reddittard simping for criminals of colour
>>2298782>t. upcoming criminal of color that hates criminals of colorfuck off wetback the world is full. stay in your american shithole
>>2298776>once you're accepted youre now on the path to easy citizenship.what is this nigger talking about? college is at least 3 years in any decent country, and student residence never counts towards citizenship in any country, so you'd have to add the 5-10 years of continuous residence and tax payments as an unskilled monkey to even be considered for that.how about you increase your self worth by learning a language, a skill or bringing significant investment capital instead of being a freeloading nigger refugee
>>2298826You'll keep trying to find ways to overcomplicate it because thats what you want to do to try and keep people from leaving america, but:>get accepted into university>use those 3-4 years to learn the language and do well in your program>apply for jobs before graduating, then get a work permitCongrats you're now done with the process, find a wife to shorten the residency time or do what you want in your new country
>>2299512>just wait 5 years and marry someone bro it's not complicated>le reddit muscular man.jpgYou think someone who makes has the money or will to do any of those things would be here making le ebil west threads? If they did, they would have googled this and started long ago and they wouldn't even need to ask anybody because even though the process is long, it's quite straightforward, and immigration lawyers do most of the paperwork for you.You keep making excuses while putting 0 effort on your goals mr meme spewer.
>>2299519>just wait 5 years and marry someone bro it's not complicateCorrect, spending 5 years working in the country you want to become a citizen of is very easy, and finding a wife is an optional sidequest that will shorten the waiting for citizenship to 3 years >You keep making excuses while putting 0 effort on your goals mr meme spewerI have done all the advice I gave, which is how i escaped america and got into swedenI know youre trying your best to troll and muddy up the process because youre afraid of americans coming to your country, but just know, more of us ARE coming and I will guide them.
>>2299512It's not that hard to move to another country you're right the hard part for those "escaping" is integration, these are also the same type of people who move to Japan, Scotland, France or Korea to become disillusioned and move back after a year or so then lament their failures for the rest of their life. It takes some who truly has no roots or don't care about their roots to leave. Those who are leaving cos they dislike their current country will be back. I don't know who OP is, but the amount of people I know who has said something similar and ended up returning to the US or the UK after a year abroad in their chosen country is pretty staggering.
>>2299529>>2299512>>2298776Why did you choose Sweden? Do you like it? I'm choosing Poland to enact your plan (I'm an engineer rn, gonna get my masters in Poland then work there). leaving soon.lol at the retard saying it's impossible or too hard. but I also have significant savings from investing so I don't really need to work which makes things easier
>>2299736I chose sweden because the universities offer a ton of programs taught in english, and it has the things that i want that america doesnt have like safe affordable clean cities with good public transportation. My gf is also from sweden which makes things easier.There are definitely plenty of good options in europe though, this just happened to be the most convenient one for me.
>>2297488All engineering degrees except math, statistics, ai, cs, EE and business are useless.If you majored in anything els, you will only have the pro of maths.I studied chemical engineering, shit is fucking useless in terms of experience you can take around the world
>>2299880You need a better degree next go around anon.
>>2298826>student residence never counts towards citizenship In many EU countries it counts, while it's still west it's a massive upgrade compared to US
>>2299778>Sweden>safe affordable clean citiesYou're just 20 years too late
Is there two of these threads now?Maybe its needed though...
>>2297305Make money. That's all you really need to leave and have a nice life literally anywhere
>>2297305this shizo anon made the same one about china for literally months, search desuarchive with "get out of this"
>>2297305leaving the west is only fun if you have online incomebeing dependent on shithole economics is a lot worse than living in the west
If you want to move to a different country you have two options. Work in that country and get a work visa, or marry just for the citizenship.
>>2299880Oh my god what the fuck are you on about ? >t. softeng, can find a job wherever I want anytime
>>2298776>vtranny has a retarded opinionGetting a degree from a US/UK university is 1000 times more important and has far more weight than getting a degree from a third world shithole. It's even more embarrassing when you're a first worlder - people will know that you're a loser who ran away.
>>2302464It’s not even remotely true. degrees are virtually worthless today. Their primary benefit is simply qualifying for a visa. The secondary benefit is qualifying for a job or graduate school, both of which readily and willingly accept degrees from third world countries even in America. Look at any graduate program at any University and you’ll see students with undergraduate degrees from schools in Argentina, China, India, Russia, everywhere.
>>2299880All degrees are useless. It’s time for people stop living in the job market of the early 2000s. They are virtually indistinguishable now.
All immigration systems basically work the same for first worlders. You get qualified for a visa, you live there for multiple years and be a tax pay pig, then apply for your second class citizenship once you’ve bought in for long enough via taxes. If you’re rich you can just skip all that and be an investor. University is good because it gives you a longer term visa so you can be in the country looking for work, but that’s the only reason.
>>2302464Typical overcomplicater adding more factors than needed. If someone wants to go to a country, gettinginto a university in that country is the easiest way in. Nobody cares about where your bachelors degree came from, shut the fuck up faggot.
>>2302940You will never fit in, you will always look like a pathetic loser who ran from a place where he could be more successful in lmao.
I'm rich, have a job that will let me work from anywhere, but the question is, where to go?The EU is basically the US but with an even smaller Overton window limited to an even more retarded slant of welfarism.Eastern Europe is getting eaten by the EU, I don't want to live in Russia or a direct vassal state, Serbia seems like the best option right now but also seems like too attractive a target for the EU/NATO types.I could live in Africa and be living in Africa, I could probably live like a king, but I'd be living in Africa. I want to live somewhere with internet and electricity. Most of southeast asia seems the same way.Japan seems like the whole country is a mall. I don't want to live in a hideously engorged Manhattan. Manhattan is bad enough.China is China. Wat do?
>>2302963here's your dopamine hit anon
>>2303036serbia is based bro just go there
>>2303036If you are rich (you aren't) why don't you go visit some countries instead of asking cumbrains here
>>2303036Why don't you want to live in the Russosphere?There aren't any restrictions besides Russia and Ukraine and in most of them you can live fairly freely as a foreigner with minimal globohomo cultural influences.Living standards range from second world to solid second world, but you'll also spend less of your foreign income.The only drawback is that you have to learn Russian or the local languages.
>>2303058Serbia is based, I really want to see more of it but Belgrade was awesome, and it is basically the current best option.>>2303090I can't go everywhere. I've visited a lot of those places. Let alone figuring out if I could live there or not, which I would really only know after being literally inside the local culture, which would mean speaking the language, which means having discussion in a common language about the subjective cultural experiences might be valuable. I hope this is explicit enough for you to understand why people might discuss things on forums on the Internet. Have you tried watching Star Trek: The Next Generation? There's a character you might really relate to and it's on the TV all the time.>>2303091I also care about things like free speech rights and stability, I don't want an autocracy. If I can't have that, I want a government weak enough that it's not a serious threat. I feel like to get that in the Russian sphere, you'd need what, the *stans? I'd need to be able to live *very* freely if you catch my drift, and I don't think I'd be able to do that easily. >>2302963just as an aside, at any reasonable level of hiring, nobody will care where you got your degree from as long as it was actually useful, and if for any reason anyone asked "what made you choose to go to school in <country>," answering "I just wanted to get out of the US for a while" will make you look like a confident person who makes their own decisions about what they like and do.
>>2303139Yeah I watched sttng when it came out, what character are you thinking of Deanna Troy like I should be a mind reader? She was literally the worst character on the show
US isn't that bad. Plus you have 50 states to choose from with their own unique flavor of freedom. Otherwise you are pretty much barricading yourself in some expat enclave in a shithole or having to spend years learning a new language/culture or both. I guess you can still go to commonwealth countries to skip both those steps
>>2303150The usa is one of the least free countries in the world you brainwashed moron
>>2303139You can get the "weak government" part in the Caucasus (Georgia, Armenia) and in Central Asia (Kyrgyzstan).But even the more authoritarian countries like Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan don't really care about what foreigners do as long as you don't piss off the people in charge.Moldova would have also worked but they're informally being taken over by the EU so goodbye to the wild-west of Transnistria where everything went as long as you paid the right people.
>>2303150>USA isn't that badIt is. You get your choice of your children getting brainwashed christcucks to die for Israel or getting brainwashed to become transgender libtards. What great options.
>>2303160>>2303177Better than canada at least, and better than the aforementioned alternatives. You will never really fit in when you escape unless you look like the people where you reside and speak their language native level with little-no accent unless you are hiding away in enclaves which is just dumb and fake imo, on the level of resorts
>>2303587Blah blah blah you are weak, weaker than your ancestors who fled to the west to make a better life. Stay behind and suffer loser
>>2303603What are you trying to say exactly? That Canada is better than the US or
>>2303146There's a different character who asks a lot of questions. You might relate more to that character.>>2303163Not really trying to live in Georgia or Armenia before they both get invaded again. Really, really doubt I would have enough to do in Kyrgyzstan. I work in an area that tends to piss off the people in charge.What's the timeline on Moldova? Honestly that seems like one of the better options, close to the EU so you can go to Croatia even if there are no local parties and the women are beautiful from what I've seen. >>2303607He is clearly just trying to bully Americans because he's jealous of our nation's greatness and freedom. I would never consider leaving the US if it wasn't walking a slow path towards a terribly efficient, terribly well-funded autocracy. America is so great that even when it collapses, it will produce the greatest and most catastrophic collapse. The Roman collapse barely produced 500 years of dark ages, our collapse will end humanity as we know it, to the point where Serbia, Moldova, or Kyrgyzstan are the best viable options.
>Early 20s Amerimutt, Spanish/French mix>gf is Irish/French Amerimutt>Despise every American city we find ourselves in, be it for 3 days or 3 years.All the problems you always hear about are the ones that disgust us most.>People are purely cosmopolitan, allergic to the concept of starting a family or building generational wealth, would prefer to rent and ubereats until they magically become millionaires>Crime is high, cost of living is insanely high, real estate is so overpriced it's actually funny>The general populous becomes dumber and more fluoridated with every passing week, so there are always more car accidents, fires, store closures, and robberies than before>This also means that all services (infrastructure, clerical work, food, even medical) are rapidly declining in quality>Hobos literally shit up the streets and parks everywhere>Quality of consumer goods is so bad now that "made in China" has gone from a derogatory term to an endearment>Housing is made to even lower standards. The tents that hobos live in are arguably made from better material than your average $500k house>The food, water, land, and air are all horrendously poisoned>Only catalyst for political change is a banana republic that actively wants to make everything worseEnter, Galicia>Traditional society in the north of Spain>Perfect climate, modest taxes, low crime, walkable cities, high QoL,>inoffensive/harmless govt, affordable real estate, locals are religious and don't believe in state-mandated child molestation>it's not even a hotspot for American faggots like ParisThe history of Galicia is apparently rich with Celtic/Visigoth influences, and it appears to be a fairly White region too. Given that we're not McDonalds-chugging Amerifats, we'd actually have a ghost of a chance with assimilation.So, redpill me on why I definitely should not move to Galicia.
>>2297305I hear South Africa isn't west anymore