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Hey guys can someone give me the low down on Thai visas?

I am a Buddhist practitioner, thinking to travel there for a long time in order to perhaps pursue monastic ordination, but this whole problem with visas makes me a little bit leery. What is the best way to stay long term in this country, given that I won't have an income or any formal employment? I do have a good chunk of money.

Thx
>Anon
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Tourist visas go upto 3 months, no extension. If you actually want to stay for longer then business visas are the international way to stay longer in any country, but you gotta usually be contracted to stay there.
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>>2285571
Do you even speak Thai or Sanskrit you larping idiot?
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>>2285603
yeah true, if he cant even read the thai alphabet he has no way of living in a monetary, especially with all the holy words stuff in the language (คำราชาศัพท์)
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>>2285599
Most countries, Thailand included, have specific visas for educational and religious purposes that let you stay a longer period of time. You usually need an invitation from an organization in the country that's sponsoring you.
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>>2285571
I think they do provide long-term visas for those staying, praying and working at the monasteries. I believe it falls under a student visa. Double check though.
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https://www.watpahnanachat.org/joining
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>>2285609
Some monasteries will let you dick around as a low ranking monk. As long as you are working towards your own salvation then there not going to force you to get on their level.

Truly they believe you should want to do the long mediations and recitations. Of course every monastery is their own but I read a book on life in a Japanese monastery and it was very easy for new and foreign people.
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>>2285623
Of course, “ordinary,” non-international monasteries can also assist with paperwork once you enter the novitiate, but if you’re not already fluent in Thai with a good command of Pāli scripture and monastic ritual you’re not likely to find your way there.
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>>2285599
> 3 months
Thai tourist visas are 1 month with 1 extension now buddy
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>>2285644
Not visa exemption. Tourist visa, which is something different, can go up to 90 days.
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You can apply fo a non-immigranrt ED visa once you've been accepted by a temple. Although given it took me less than 3 minutes to find this myself, I doubt you'll ever actually embark on this journey.

https://thaievisa.go.th/non-immigrant-ed
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>>2285667
Mind you, Thai buddism is like an uttrly retarded version anyway.
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>>2285571
Thailand is the only Buddhist nation never conquered.
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>>2285599
Im contracted here, but dont want to pay thai tax, I make a border run every three months.
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>>2285693
OP here, can you give me the specifics on border running, please? What do you have to do and say? How long do you need to spend across the country to renew your visa
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>>2285882
10 Minutes. Go to Phuket, cross the border to malaysia for like and hour and cone right back. As long as you combo break your stamps nobody gives a shit.
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>>2285886
Cool, thanks.
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>>2285896
I thought they cracked down on this and you had to be gone like 24 or 48 hours.. Which isn't a huge deal I guess you can go to Siem Reap and check out the ruins there (if they stay open).
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Pffft haha yeah then you can get some tattoos and be really cool. That will totally work.. pffftt hahaha. Better to go make a little homeless hut in Bagan and be a hermit until they kick you out... Buddhism is fine but I don't like their version. The coolest visa was the thai self defence visa. Idk if it's back now or what.
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>>2285674
Except for china
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>>2285953

Depends on the border. But Thailand needs its tourism expat dollar back badly. They legalize weed andbthrew out thailand pass.
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If i go visa free for 30 days, just on arrival. Can i get an extension, for how long? Anybody knows? Thanks
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>>2287480
anyone?
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>>2287080
China has been conquered dozens of times. It's also not a Buddhist country.
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>>2285618
The only correct reply ITT. OP talks to a Buddhist monastery/school. They agree to sponsor him. They get approval cert from government. They send OP approval cert and invitation letter from monastery/school. OP applies for ED visa and gets it. OP either does bitch work as a novice monk/student or he goes partying, depending which temple sponsored him. (Chiang Mai is full of the latter.)
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>>2287480
how do i get a watermelon gf
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>>2285660
Your advice is outdated. It's 30 days VOA now. Feel free to prove me wrong.
I've entered Thailand twice this year on tourist visas.
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>>2289810
do you think i can keep alternating between thailand and vietnam for a year or will they deny me eventually?
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>>2290524
Im planning this also
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>>2290524
>>2291080
They seem to be far more chill now because covid ruined their tourism industries, but wouldn't be surprised if that grace period goes away soon enough and it returns to pre-covid times where 3+ entries a year and you start getting questions at the border, especially if you dress like a deadshit.
Honestly just get a longer Thai visa and travel around the region for holidays, you eventually get sick of packing up your life every month or two. Education visa is simple, there's plenty of dodgy places that will take your money and not care if you don't go to classes. May as well learn the language if you are paying though imo.
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>>2285571
go
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>>2291168
This is good advice but there needs to be a warning given with some of these visa options. First, unless you are in a recognized college or university, there's a max of 2 education visas you can ever get. Second, once you get an education or volunteer visa, the fact you've had it is visible to immigration. (This is important for airport immigration points.) Depending on your luck, you're immediately suspect if you've had one before. Not a big deal if you've been away for a year, but if OP decided he wanted to live in Thailand and he went from an education visa to doing border runs, he is getting much more hassle than if he did it the other way around. The most hassle-free approach is to do border runs until you're warned against doing more. Then you get an education visa. (Cheaper than a no-show volunteer visa, and the wrong agent used to get a volunteer visa can be a black mark.) That gives you until your 2nd to 4th year in Thailand (probably the 3rd, maybe a bit earlier or later) before you start needing to worry getting denied entry.
When that stage happens, you either get another education visa, go for a more legit visa, or start spending 3 months away each year combined with land border runs: Get 60 day visa from an embassy, enter, extend 30 days, land border run to Laos, 60 day visa, extend 30 day, land border run to Laos, another 60+30, then fly out to a country they don't stamp your passport, like Singapore, Hong Kong, or South Korea. (This is key - immigration don't want you back too soon if they think you've been chilling in a nearby country. Without passport stamps, you can pretend you went back home.) Then you return and do this all again until a couple of years and some IO manager warns you again, so you get your second ED visa.
Jumping through all these hoops will let you stay in Thailand for several years to a decade. By that time, almost anyone will have gotten sick of this country or they'll get a marriage or retirement visa.
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>>2289810
You're wrong
>TR Visa is valid for 3 months from the date of issuance. Travellers must enter Thailand within the said 3-month period. They will be allowed to stay in Thailand for a period of up to 60 days, counting from the date of entry. Extension is possible for another 30 days, with maximum period of stay of 90 days, counting from the date of entry.

VOA is 15 days. Western and European countries get 30 day visa exemption which is not VOA.
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>>2289810
You’re wrong and have conflated the visa exemption you probably got with a tourist visa.

I’m there now. Westerners get a visa exemption for 30 days. This can be extended to 60 days.

However, if you pre-apply at an embassy, you can get a tourist visa. These are 60 days with extension to 90 days.
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>>2292346
In the Philippines, the BI will literally let you stay for 3 years on a tourist visa. Just gotta pay a bunch of immigration/visa fees. You then leave for a couple of days, and you restart your journey. If you have an extra $500 to shit away, you have a semi-decent chance to permanent residency with a 13 quota visa if you have money saved up. Not to mention, there's a lot of retirement visas that act as permanent residency once you turn 50.
I don't understand why people prefer Thailand, it's more expensive, has a lot of degenerate Australian + Chinese tourists, and a unfriendly visa policy.
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>>2292556
Most of the people who chose to stay in Thailand long term did so because it was the first country they visited in SEA. Maybe the only country they visited until something made them settle down.
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>>2292556
thailand looks way more developed and safer than ph
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>>2292556
>I don't understand why people prefer Thailand, it's more expensive
If you compare apple to apples and oranges to oranges (living in the major cities, living in the countryside, etc), it's cheaper to live in Thailand. A Thai person (ie not paying skin color tax) can live comfortably on 300 baht/day, or under $10 USD, anywhere in the country. Their cost of living doesn't increase by location unless they are on an island and paying island prices. In Philippines, the prices vary wildly across the country, and living on 500 PHP ($10 USD) by yourself in Manila per day is not the same. The arguments that life in Philippines countryside is cheaper than Thailand countryside always take into account communal family living, farming, and other factors that could be done in Thailand too.
Whether you agree or not about costs, here's some pros of both countries:
Thailand:
- better infrastructure (public transportation, utilities, Internet, power, water distribution, etc)
- safer when it comes to street crime (you can go anywhere at night, there's very few no-go slums or parts of the city)
- you can ride a motorbike or car without a license and just expect minor tea money bribes here and there
- safer when it comes to drugs (never safe in SEA but you can buy and smoke weed in Thailand now, and even before to a degree, without worrying about very dangerous crackdowns on drugs)
- cities have cultural sites to see (average Philippine city can be seen in a day tops)
- better food
- less overall poverty
- many more foreign tourists and expats to socialize, party, meet, etc
- more variations in weather

Philippines:
- many more beaches, quieter beaches, great diving
- safer when it comes to road safety
- I'd argue there are more untouched and beautiful natural areas than Thailand
- people are friendlier, more open minded, more interested in the world
- no or less of a language gap for most people in the world
- better/easier visa policies
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>>2292692
It is but its starting to get stingy with westerners more often now
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>>2292692
Thats because it is.
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>>2292550
What's the difference or is there even one between a visa on arrival and a visa exemption? I'm American and misstimed my tourist visa sign up so I want to do the whole visa exemption + extend it.

The info is all over the place in regards to this shit. Even the consulate has barely any idea..
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>>2294513
Most people know what you mean when you say visa on arrival or something, but it's a different thing than a visa exemption. Some people get really anal about the distinction, perhaps with good reason - Thailand has a lot of different entry stamps/visas and some of them can be extended or converted to a different type, and some of them can't. Some countries are ineligible for visa exempt and need to apply for a visa ahead of time, or fill out a form to get a visa on arrival.
For most people on this forum (Westerners or high/middle income countries), you can get a visa exempt entry when you arrive. It's good for 30 days (possibly extended to 45 days soon). You can go to an immigration office and extend it for another 30 days by filling out a couple of forms and paying 1900 baht. You can usually only get one of these each visit (some exceptions to this). If you want to stay longer, you need to leave and come back (aka a visa run).
For anyone in the country now, they might also have the option of getting a covid extension which is good for 60 days but that program (probably) ends at the end of August, and most immigration offices want you to first get the "regular" 30 day extension before you can get the covid one.
Countries that are eligible for visa exempt entries can also apply in advance for a 30 or 60 day tourist visa. (Why would someone apply for a 30 day tourist visa if they can get unlimited 30 day visa exempt entries? Because the rules are deliberately vague in Thailand, and an immigration officer who decides you've had too many visa exempt entries might deny you entry. There is less chance of that happening if you get a tourist visa in advance.) If you've got one of these TR visas, you can also apply for a 30 day extension.
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>>2294566
Back to the topic of visa runs. You can technically fly out and fly back in to Thailand an unlimited number of times every year, but the international airport immigration officers are the strictest and somewhat arbitrary with deciding who are abusing the tourist exemptions and tourist visas. The immigration officers at land checkpoints basically never deny anyone entry because 1) they have the shittiest postings and don't care about the rules, 2) their bosses/managers don't care either; and 3) if they reject someone already stamped out from Cambodia/Laos/Myanmar/Malaysia, they might cause a headache and more paperwork if that country won't take them back. So you can almost always leave and reenter by land and not worry about getting denied, but you are limited to 2 land border crossings per calendar year.
Okay, back to 30 day extensions. You might be wondering when to apply for yours. Should you get it right after arriving? On day 15? Or day 29/30? The answer is, it depends on the immigration office. Some immigration offices will do the 30 day extension starting from the day you apply (so applying on day 15 of your stay will only give you another 30 days, not another 45 days total). Most of the remaining officers will officially approve you but tell you to come back on the last day of your current stay to get the final stamp. And a very few will just tack on 30 days on top of your current expiry date. So the best answer is to wait until a couple of days before your current stay expires. Go down in the morning and you'll have your 30 day extension within a couple of hours, depending how busy they are.
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>>2294566
>>2294568
Thanks for clearing this up, huge weight off my shoulders. If I can take advantage of the 30 day exemption+extension I should be ok then.

Been stressing about this as soon as I found out how slow they are with the lame travel visa process. I'll gladly pay 1900 for the extension, and avoid having to rearrange hotels, flights, and everything else.
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>>2294577
If you're not already in Thailand now, the airline you take to get here might ask to see a return/onward ticket within 30 days. Be prepared for that with a real throwaway or a fake printout. Or just be ready to buy a throwaway ticket on the spot, so don't wait for the last minute to check in.
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>>2294568
What about bribes
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>>2294568
How do you get in without a return flight also
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>>2294587
I fucking hate Thailand for that very reason. Even if you're going over there to teach and plan to stay for a couple of years they require you to have a return/onward ticket. The vast and overwhelming amount of schools there require you to be in country to apply for the job but that means you have to fly to Thailand on a tourist visa. Then you have to leave again just to switch out your tourist visa with a work visa. Thailand has no logic in their decision making whatsoever. The only thing they have going for them is the fact that it's a boomer coomer destination. That is literally it.
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>>2294915
Cry cry cry
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>>2294923
I'm not wrong and your statement adds nothing to the conversation. Back to /b/, faggot.
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>>2294587
im going to thailand for 30 days and probably going to vietnam next, but i dont really have any plans
do you think ill get into trouble if i show up without an exit flight booked?
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>>2294962
Thailand won't even let you enter unless you have a return/onward ticket. You'll land in Thailand and then the customs agent will hold you until you buy a ticket and show proof of onward travel.
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>>2295011
what if you want to leave to siem reap by land
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>>2295082
I would assume that would fall under "onward travel", but I'm not 100% sure on that one.
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>>2295082
Get a fake plane ticket with onwardticket dot com. It will be valid for 2 weeks and costs $14.
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>>2295089
Malaysia air also offer fully refundable tickets. I couldn’t believe this shit, the smug faggot checking me in from Dubai couldn’t contain his joy when he saw I had no return ticket and said I couldn’t board. Thank God they had free WiFi. I booked a flight to KL and cancelled it once I arrived in Bangkok.
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Great tips in this thread. Thanks, guys.
>t. OP
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why do you people do this
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>>2294915
>>2294926
You're wrong, how what Thailand is doing is any different from any other country including western countries?

Can Thais come to west a tourists without onward ticket? Do western countries allow people to work on tourist visa? Applying for a work visa BEFORE you arrive is a standard practice everywhere in the world, including the west.

If your shitty employer is not able to arrange everything in advance then that's the problem of your shitty employer and you since you obviously aren't able to get a decent job, don't blame the immigration policy which is totally reasonable. Why minimum-level english teachers expect a red carpet special treatment?
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>>2297420
I'm not wrong and you clearly didn't even read what I posted. Please read my post before you comment, you fucking moron.
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>>2297427
You complained that you can't come to Thailand with a visa exemption without onward ticket

You also complained that you need to apply for a work visa outside the country before starting the work

You're a moron thinking that Thailand's policy is somehow unfair or different from your own country
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>>2297430
>You also complained that you need to apply for a work visa outside the country before starting the work

Quote me, you fucking retard. Show me where I said you need to be outside the country to apply.

I specifically said you have to be in country just to apply. I know this is a lot of your to take in, but being in country means that you have to physically be in the country. Learn to fucking read what is posted before you speak, moron.
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>>2297433
>Then you have to leave again just to switch out your tourist visa with a work visa. Thailand has no logic in their decision making whatsoever
I was talking about applying for a work visa, not applying for a job, you're the retard who can't read
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>>2297438
Jesus Christ, please, please learn to read.
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>>2297438
You're an actual moron.
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>>2297438
Right, because you can totally get a work permit without an in-country sponsorship in Thailand. Haha, holy fuck my dude. How exactly do you think work permits work and how do you think you get them? I'm honestly curious what bullshit you're going to spout next.
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>>2297452
>Right, because you can totally get a work permit without an in-country sponsorship in Thailand
Where did I said that?

If you would have some real skills instead of just happening to speak english, the company who is interested in you would handle all the paperwork in advance and pay everything including your flight to Thailand
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>>2297459
The other anon was right, your reading skills are god awful. Use a little bit a logic and think about it for a bit. Get back to me when you figure out the flaw in your thinking. I'll give you a hint. Work permits in Thailand require you to be at a certain place to obtain them. And to get to that certain place, you have to have a certain type of visa. Can you guess what those things are? Now, what does that mean for people trying to get a job there given these two pieces of information?

Lets see if you can put two and two together.
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Why does a Glock 19 in Thailand cost fucking $1200. In case no one here knows what that is its a gun, a fucking $400-$500 gun in the US. Not only that but I need to pay another $300 to fucking do the paperwork, so $1500 for fucking everything. Do you guys think if I live here long term do I even need a gun?

My neighbor just got one because he likes to walk around at night and he got mugged. But if I don't do that I shouldn't need one right?
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>>2297782
IDK about specifics but I thought Thailand had a fairly high import duty on imported products, for the same reason, a BMW that's made in Germany costs $45k in europe but $80k in Thailand. A Glock made in Austria would be the same.
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>>2297782
Wah wah wah cry more bitch that will solve everything
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>>2292692
Are you really worried about some 5'3 pinoy? Holy fuck, imagine being that big of a pussy.
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>>2298405
https://nypost.com/2022/08/03/mma-fighter-detains-nyc-assault-suspect-in-soho/

More manly than your bitchass white loser self
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>>2298405
gl defending yourself against 3 people with knifes in an alleyway
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>>2298848
I'm 6'2 bro I can beat anyone up I'm taller you mancel
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>>2285886
combo break your stamps?
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>>2292346
>>2294566
>>2294568
this is all great stuff, thanks a bunch

why do you think the covid visa is going to come to an end in august? they've extended it several times. any reason this time will be different?
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>>2300982
I think it will end because they've always been extending it in two month increments, but this most recent extension was only for one month. Combined with lifting face mask restrictions, drinking hours, capacity rules, etc, it feels like they're going to end. We'll know around August 23-24 if they will extend them again.
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>>2294912
With a visa
Visa is also necessary for 30 day extensions, you won't get those on visa exemption entry
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Has anyone done the border run from Mae-Sai recently? I'm around Chiang Mai & this is so easy for me, but I'm getting mixed reports. Sure Myanmar is unstable but I just want to get into Tachileik & go straight back in.
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the 60 day covid visa is ending august 25, if you want your free 60 day visa in thailand make sure you get it before then

>>2300973
go through different ports of entry and different countries
if you just run the same border over and over it looks more suspicious (supposedly)
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btw goofs you can walk into almost any 'visa agent' in a big city and have a 1 year education visa a few days later

yes it might cost you 30k-50k thb, but that covers the 'tuition' and enrollment fees as well as the cost of the 'school' reporting you to immigration every month or 3 months, I forget what it is

I don't know how any of you struggle with this shit, it's so fucking easy. Just throw money at the problem and it goes away.
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>>2304754
>Has anyone done the border run from Mae-Sai recently
There was talk about it opening on June 1 but with a 5 day quarantine on the Myanmar side. I can't find any articles about whether that actually happened or not. The Mae Sot border is still closed. You should ask at a van or visa agent in Chiang Mai, they will know for sure. Some people are doing land border runs from Chiang Mai to Laos.
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>>2304832
Ask your self how many diseased whores that buys for the incel loser coomers and you have your answer. They flew to Thailand to simp for trannies and roasties not use their brains
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>>2304832
>just commit fraud in a third world country where you can go to "pound me in the ass, rats, and shanks prison" for as little as smoking a joint!



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