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What is the worst case of Paris syndrome you've seen or experienced while travelling?
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I'm French and I'm from Paris, so I thought myself immune to the Paris syndrome as I thought I was a realist when it came to big cities being shit.

But Seattle broke me. Not because of its crime, but because of its truly depressing absence of soul. It is a city of 40 something year old engineers that thought they could enjoy the vibes but ended up with just each other and the shitty weather. The people are as depressing as the weather. When all the adventure and magic disappears into the routine of a life that has nothing to it besides its permanently steady state of going to work as an engineer, going back home to a sexless households with annoying fucking kids 'till the day you die. No hustle, no fun, no nothing. The only exciting thing there is shooting yourself in the head
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i found wiesloch in november to be somewhat dull
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Paris is nice. It should be named Italy syndrome
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>>2258558
I just got a very attractive job offer in Seattle and this kind of worries me.

>tfw it's in engineering
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>>2257690
Geneva would be the closest one, althugh I wasn't there for long. Just not as nice as you would expect from Switzerland (granted French Switzerland).
>>2258558
Sounds likeIreland, which is fitting given the similar climates
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>>2257690
my wife, when we went to california
i had already been there many times for work so i knew the situation
but she hadn't and she thought it was going to be like a beach boys video from the 60s, smily happy people, plus shopping on rodeo drive, plus hollywood glamour, all that kind of thing
i mean, there are some nice places when you get away from the cities. but she wasn't really ready for all the drugs and yelling darkies and homeless people
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Anyone else already so numb to the current age they expect Paris syndrome everywhere? I mean Riga is pretty much the only "major" city i've seen with a rich architecture and incredibly safe without anyone trying to scam me.
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Stonewall.
My lesbian friend and I went to see stonewall because its part of gay history or something. It was just an overpriced, poorly managed bar. It isn't the worst case of Paris Syndrome in this thread, but it was pretty disappointing:
>Clean, but really run down. A fresh coat of paint is really needed, as are some cosmetic repairs to the floors and bathrooms
>Most bars offer free water, especially if you are drunk. SW charged $5/bottle with no tap option.
>Bar space is very limited
>Gimmicky performances to bring in crowds distracts heavily from the history of the bar
>Drinks are fairly priced... for a tourist bar, but not for a gay bar.
>They had some cool stuff on the wall (like the original raid paperwork), but it was too dark to see it and too crowded to read it
>Plaques and displays were very difficult to read. You can't print in black ink in a dark club and put it on the wall without giving the display a light
>Short staffed, hard to get a drink. 2 bartenders per floor on a crowded weekend night during pride during tourist season is very understaffed
>bottom floor is a dive bar, top floor is a party bar, which is a nice touch
>Dance floor on the bottom floor is way too small. They also have a covered pool table that seems to never actually be used
>They won't let you count a $30 T-shirt towards the two drink minimum. I've never seen that before in any bar.
>No POS system between floors, you cannot open a tab on the bottom floor and keep it running at the top floor, it is almost like two separate bars
It is not the worst bar I have been to, but it is fucking Stonewall, it is a world famous gay bar. I really expected better
t. Totally straight anon
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>>2258620
Holy shit I’m from CA and I’ve never really seen homeless people alongside regular houses and apartments, where is that?
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>>2258558
Yeah, I was going to say the PNW in general, every town I went to felt psychically poisoned, except Bend and maybe Grants Pass. Certain natural areas were very nice though
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>>2260091
Califag here.
What part of cali are you in? They act like this in every major city from LA to Sactown
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New York City
I live in a third world country, but NYC actually made feel like I was in a third world country when I was there.
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>>2260113
Welcome to the Western world. Courtesy of da jooooos
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Philadelphia never ceases to disappointment in being a complete cesspool. Every time I visit, I get Paris Syndrome over and over again. It just gets exponentially worse each time. I mean what the fuck.

I've never seen a place like this anywhere in the world, and I've been to some third world shitholes. Literal zombie apocalpyse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi1Kf-1qd6Y
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>>2258558
Lol what? Seattle is a lovely city. Always enjoyed visiting there. You must be a complete faggot lmao
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Beijing was a total police state. It was nothing but propaganda, military
police, and shopping malls. Much worse than Shanghai, which I'd visited a few times over the years, and was kinda fun. I'll never go back.
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>>2258567
I traveled to Campania with a friend and I think the chaos and trash in Naples was a bit much for him.
I think it was a matter of expectations. I was expecting it while he, being from Catalonia, thought the tales were just exaggerations about Southern Europe again.
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>>2260076
Any (semi-)developed place which isn't too touristy should be fine, desu. I can really recommend South Korea if you get a bit off the beaten path. Same for rural Germany.
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>>2258566
> Goes to bumfuck nowhere german countryside shithole
> for a holiday
> in november
> complains it's dull

You can't make this shit up.
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>>2257690
It was literally Paris. I hate that shithole with every inch of my body. Before I came I didn't even have high expectations for it. I had practically no expectations and Paris still managed to disappoint me.
>my face my third day in Paris
Planned to be there for a week but ended my trip early. Went to Spain instead.
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>>2258558
Unironically take your meds. Seattle was once a great city but it's problems are not because of the weather.
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>>2260630
Paris fucking sucks man good on you for getting the hell out of there. UK sucks too. Spain and Portugal are pretty fun and the girls are mint. A hidden gem is Bulgaria in the right spots like Sofia and Varna. Great nightlife, but it can be dangerous there. The guys there do not like foreigners and they're pretty fucking hardcore.
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For some reason I thought Saigon would be 500k-1M population city with rich history and quaint buildings, some interesting war stuff and a traditional vietnamese vibe.
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>>2261298
Saigon is based though
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>>2257690
America's homeless situation actually blew me away.
I went to Anchorage and LA and it's actually fucking insane how bad it is.
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>>2261929
You should check out East Hastings in Vancouver, Canada. It's literally worse than Skid Row in LA and like ten people OD and die there per night. Then check out the absolute duality of society because just across one intersection is an extremely rich business district.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvg9DAz1PEU
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>>2260335

i went to philly as a young lad,
maybe 15 -20 years ago. im sure the opiod zombie mass is growing, but i remember having a great time there, but we were staying somewhere fancy, did a traditional colonial tourist tour and like a bus tour. Everything was cool, but was only 2 days there and were there for a graduation
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Unequivocally based and truth pilled about Seattle.
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For me it was Norway.

>snowing in May
>lack of infrastructure for tourists to experience muh nature
>absurdly expensive
>locals want nothing to do with you(or strangers in general)
>neo-socialist commie block housing everywhere
>$14 USD for a fucking beer
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>>2257690
California, San Francisco was full of crazy screaming homeless and beggars, Los Angeles is mostly a shithole, Hollywood is depressing and mexican as fuck; there's a "pare de sufrir" church in Hollywood Boulevard next to the walk of fame, that's literally a scammer church for desesperate idiots here in south america, couldn't believe that shit. Then there's some cool places in the woods like Muir Woods, Yellowstone and stuff but the cities are 3rd world tier.
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Anyone know a place is shit, then get talked into it not being shit, only for you to go and realize you were right all along?

>know germans and germany is pretty fucking shit for a long time
>don't think I gave it a fair shot based on just a few personal experiences mainly from people and things in/around the capital
>talk and plan a trip late last year
>everyone telling me "oh no it's great blah blah blah you don't understand it's soooo good the food and beer!"
>get told it's fine and stuff is great in germany by a few people online I know
>go recently with a complete open mind
>people drive like absolute fucking retards
>german women are still insane next to near femcel levels of stupid
>anyone who is willing to speak english is often indian, paki, or some african
>beer is heavily meh unless all beer is keystone light, budlight, or some cheap shit from asia
>food is crap
>people are crap, never shutting up about BLUMPF
>trains are below shit on time
>roads are dogshit switching between smooth and rocky making it impossible to use the scooters
>speak with a few people from germany at hotel bar or some places ask them what's fun to do, all just say drink and eat kebab
>mfw I have no face

Glad I didn't invest more time there and went other places
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>>2258558
saigon is fucking massive dude
if you live in d2 it's a total shithole (why would you ever live near the foreigners who unironically order starbucks kek) and if you live in go vap you're gonna see some wild ass poverty
overall though it's a pretty sick city
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>>2260335
how much for the crack whores
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>>2263476
Hmm, odd. I'm from England and love going there. Munich is class.
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>>2257690
If you can believe it I found Guadalajara and the surrounding areas bland and a sea of brown and grey concrete buildings with faded coca-cola signs out front. I mean like the whole city other than the soulless "hip" parts of town. The ladies are nice, but that was mostly because I'm white, blue eyes and have a job. I was doing muh ESL down there and was hoping it would be more soulful, but like I'm finding more and more there really are very few places in the world that are even worth their own piss. Maybe traveling has reached it's logical conclusion.
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Nottingham.

Expected a nice little city full of beautiful historical buildings. All I got was run-down buildings and streets filled with gang of arabs and africans, staring holes into my neck when I went for a stroll late at night.

Basically it was the same as any other city in western Europe, could have just stayed in Sweden. At least the train ride there offered some neat sights.
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>>2260109
this. i've had homeless try to set up tents in my front yard.
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>>2264552
>Nottingham

I dont think anyone ever made claims of greatness about Nottingham
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>>2264596
Where can I buy this book?
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>>2257690
went to ireland for muh heritage no-one spoke irish got uncomfortable or annoyed when i shit talked british/english people and there were tons of non irish and they all loved it and sperged out if the foreigners destroying ireland were insulted because "those lads were more irish than I'll ever be" good ridance hope the EU wipes them all out despite the fact I'm 90% Irish it made me embrace being nothing but one hundred percent itish fuck ireland never ever go to that shithole if your irish american or irish diaspora its nothing like the old country your family told you about
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Can't tell if bait. Of course people from Ireland dont care about being Irish it's normal to them, it's not special or unique, they dont need to delineate themselves in a country of mutts like Americans do. They are irish, most other people around them are Irish. They are happy and have a booming tech and banking industry. They are doing better than most Brits.
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>>2264857
Yep. Ireland has been poor for basically all of history. And it's just even more annoying for them because for a few centuries there, they lived right next to the richest country on earth but they were still poor. In a single generation, all that foreign tax haven money transformed their economy and they haven't had it so good for so long that they are looking their gift horse in the mouth.
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Berlin, but it was more like pic related than Paris syndrome.
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>>2264775
god I hate irish-americans, pretty much all the white people in Australia are to some degree Irish, we don't say we're irish-australian and pretend we're irish. You're a yank and nothing more.
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Its hilarious thinking about some autistic American who is way to into his potato famine family history showing up at some rural irish pub in the town his great great great grand parents immigrated from and he just starts trying to talk shit about British people to the few old farmers and tradesmen who are just trying to enjoy a beer. The whole time the barman is probably english and everyone just stars at him as the spaghetti falls out of his pocket.

He then gets back from his "heritage" trip and makes a seething post on an Alaskan moose hunting forum about how real people from Ireland arent real Irish and dont hate their neighbors enough.
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>>2264475
both hanoi and saigon have terrible air quality, the mass of mopeds and crowds was too much for me, started feeling claustrophobic in both cities with days
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>>2258584
seattle is an absolute sausage fest, especially if you work in tech, only place that tops it is silicon valley, with that said if you are getting big bucks it's still worth it, just have realistic expectations for dating and the cucked culture
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>>2264775
> no one spoke Irish
do you speak irish? fluent speakers are only found in isolated pockets of the Gaeltacht and among certain upper class cliques in Dublin
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>>2265991
>>2264775
thinking about doing a 5-6 day solo trip to ireland, how is it? maybe i'd rent a car and drive around
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>>2265988
ngl you kind of sound like a pussy but to each his own
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>>2266037
ireland is pretty small so you should be able to do a reasonable driving tour in that time. there are loads of touring routes you can follow, just google round ireland tour route or similar and you should get a few ideas
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>>2264585
Holy shit, what did you do? That doesn't happen in Florida, I'm sure you can guess why.
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>>2260386
I didn't know Beijing was in Australia
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>>2258558
>I'm French and I'm from Paris, so I thought myself immune to the Paris syndrome as I thought I was a realist when it came to big cities being shit.

To add a minority opinion, I was just in Paris, and absolutely fucking loved the city.
1. Seemed somewhat immune to US cultural imperialism. Unlike the rest of the world's bland, sterilized cities. I'm a proud American, but am sick of seeing American culture everywhere I go.
2. People smoking/vaping everywhere, doing what the fuck they want. Unlike the rest of the world's nanny states. A literal breath of fresh air.
3. Thin, fashionable women. Unlike the US/UK/Aus.
4. Beautiful cafes everywhere
5. Great food (obviously)
6. Boutiques w/ less globohomo corps.
7. Immigrants were nice, through I stayed in city center only.
8. Montmartre has to be the most beautiful neighborhood in the world.
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>>2258593
Why do you say that about Ireland anon? Apart from the weather they don't seem that similar. What was your experience there?
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>>2266634
>through I stayed in city center only.
you're a pajeet aren't you
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>>2263467
I don't doubt your account but I was in Oslo for a day or two and I found people almost creepily friendly. The people in the Starbucks made conversation and asked all about ourselves and then the one Barista told me he put an extra shot of espresso in the coffee "just for me" and then winked. Then when we were looking for an ATM to pay to fix our broken bike chain this random stranger in the street started walking around the neighbourhood trying to find my brother to try and tell him where the ATM was he'd gone looking for. Maybe just luck? We were dirty male cyclists.
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>>2263476
>beer is heavily meh unless all beer is keystone light, budlight, or some cheap shit from asia

Opinion discarded
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>>2266648
Nope. Just meant I loved Paris, but did not spend any time in the banlieues. Why the fuck would you go there?
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>>2266337
>That doesn't happen in Florida, I'm sure you can guess why.
ha ha
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>>2258620

pasadena is comfy
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>>2264775

Dublin is a globohomo experiment in how fast you can implement full Kalergization. The rest of the island is comfy.
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>>2258558
The Pacific Northwest fucking sucks. The people are such fucking faggots
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>>2260470
Fuck I'm going to Italy tomorrow, I was able to tolerate Portugal so it can't be too bad
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>>2261957
Disingenuous to say that it's worst, East Hastings is a small containment zone that everyone knows to avoid while all of downtown LA and the LA Metro is I Am Legend. It disgusted me to see that LA just forfeited their metro to degenerates like that, while decent people need to use a car to keep their sanity
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>>2266713
This. The nature is amazing but everyone is such a stuck up cunt high off their own farts
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>>2266716
Stay away from the south. North Italy is peak comfy. South Italy is bottom trash
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>>2258620
At some point people are going to realize that gas chambers are the only solution to this shit.
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>>2266721
Apulia is fucking awesome.
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>>2266741
or you could invest in wellness programs and affordable housing instead of spending the budget of a small country into policing and hoarding thousands of empty houses
you know solutions that have been proven to work world over?

but hey - your first reaction is to turn to literal Nazism just proves everybody right about the likes of you
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>>2260386
I miss Beijing. Wide ass streets with big ass buildings. At least you can walk around comfortably enjoying the view (although there's nothing to look at specifically). Guess I just love terrifyingly huge cities.
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>>2266744
If it's in the south, it's automatically shit

>>2266762
>Beijing
>view
If you consider smog covered atmosphere as a 'view', sure. It must look quite surreal I bet
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>>2266765
>If it's in the south, it's automatically shit
Apulia is not Naples or Messina
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>>2258567
>>2260470
Where did you go that you found it so bad? I've only been to the north and it's very clean and idyllic. I'm going to Rome this August.
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>>2266828
>where did you go
South. The term "went south" was invented for Italy since everything south of Rome is terrible.
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>>2266831
I highly doubt that. I've only really heard bad things about Naples, but nothing like that of anywhere else. It isn't like the southerners have some sort of a gene for putting shit everywhere, the north is full of them and they all run business, mostly in relation to food.
t. have an Italian gf and have lived close to Milan for nearly a year on and off
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>>2266750
California spends a fuckton on welfare and it hasn't helped. Many of these vermin refuse the help they're offered.
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>>2265990
>seattle is an absolute sausage fest
>In the city the population was spread out, with 15.6% under the age of 18, 11.9% from 18 to 24, 38.6% from 25 to 44, 21.9% from 45 to 64, and 12.0% who were 65 years of age or older. The median age was 35 years. For every 100 females, there were 99.5 males. For every 100 females age 18 and over, there were 98.8 males.
>For every 100 females age 18 and over, there were 98.8 males.
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>>2266750
>Virtue signaling this hard on an anonymous Bhutanese Basket-Weaving board
Are you legitimately ignorant, or are you just willfully refusing to acknowledge the reality in which you live? Many states, California the undisputed ur-example, have fucking *ruined* themselves by falling into the trap that there's a point that you'll have finally thrown enough money at this issue to make it go away.
>invest in wellness programs and affordable housing
Cool. Who pays for this shit? I ask because I have zero fucking interest in doing so, and most functional, contributing members of society feel the exact same way as I do, hence the mass exodus from socialist dystopias like California; it would be fair and appropriate to say that California and Jew York are hemorrhaging population at this point.

Social assistance and welfare initiatives are meant to be short-term solutions, not lifestyles indulged in indefinitely, and states where tent cities full of mentally ill bums is the norm, probably shouldn't be giving handouts to and rolling the red carpet out for """""refugees""""" or """""migrants""""" or """""undocumented citizens."""""

Stop making excuses for people who refuse to even try to help themselves, and would rather just prey on the good nature of others. Compassion and empathy are essential to any functional society, but so is some measure, some semblance, some standard of personal accountability, which blue states simply do not have...

Which would be fine if you cunts would have the integrity lay in the beds you've made, rather than try to relocate to different states so you can ruin them, too, but that's not the case.
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>>2266750
Or actually, in keeping with the "Paris Syndrome" theme of the thread, consider what your kind of thinking has done to Portland, Oregon; people go there expecting the sort of quirky, endearingly insufferable white people shit they've seen watching Portlandia... and nah, it's all just boarded up businesses, tent cities, and playgrounds w/ used needles in the sandboxes.
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>>2266949
>To fit into Seattle, you can not be different, you must fit in - it's like the old days w/ tribes and a village. Outsiders are weird. Outsiders always say where they came from is so "different" or better which is anti the language here.
>It sounds backwards, but the time I spent in Seattle really emboldened the above, you don't want to be estranged, you want to fit in with the culture and not be pariah.
This is precisely why I don't live there anymore
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>>2266648
There’s absolutely no reason to go to Parisian suburbs except for Versailles and Fontainebleau, and these are very posh anyway.
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>>2264552
It's important to check the demographics in a lot of western cities nowadays
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>>2260335
Born and raised in Philly, I had a bit of reverse Paris syndrome when I went to Mexico City- it was somehow less of a shithole than what I expected, even in the ghetto areas.
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>>2260375
Not him but can concur its a fucking toilet. Portland too.
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>>2260375
Family is from Seattle. Have watched the city rapidly decline over the past decade. Can confirm it's a fucking toilet overrun with vagrants and techfags.
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>>2263476
This is my first night in Berlin, only here for a concert then I am fucking off the day after tomorrow. I semi enjoyed Oktoberfest in Munich a few years ago, I have seen other parts of Germany too. Berlin is filthy and smelly, like Bangkok. The hipster trash and women are Melbourne tier in the worst ways possible. And strangely I feel unsafe walking around, and I have never felt unsafe in any city I have ever visited.
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>>2266949
>just live a lie bro
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>>2266949
This sounds like a fucking nightmare. How have you not killed yourself yet?
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>>2260470
Naples is very different from most of Italy, even other cities in Campania feel different.
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Is there a term for increased self-loathing while travelling? Kinda like "well im a loser at home, and sure enough im still a loser here"

As for Paris syndrome, i havent had it because when ive never seen anything as bad as all the horror stories of napoli, paris etc set me up for. If anything I found Turin to be depressing dull and bleak with zero life or pedestrians.

Paris itself was fantastic really the only soul-crushing thing was how there's a fucking shopping mall in the Louvre complete with a crappy overpriced food court
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>>2266651
Everyone is miserable there between september-april so they make up for it by being overly friendly during the months where they actually see the sun
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>>2260086
The faggot lifestyle isn't exactly known for it's longevity, doesn't surprise me that it's "cultural" landmarks reflect this.
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Not related to the place itself, but last time I was in Madrid, I managed to go out to dinner with 3 girls and I had sex to one of them. Proudly enough, I said them goodbye without giving them my contact info. Shortly after I left the hostel I started to feel sad, like I didn't want that moment to end. It was one of the best days of my sexual life.



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