Visiting Norway and Sweden for two weeks. What should I avoid like the plague, Im looking for nature and small towns not browns and city life.
I went to both countries. Avoid Malmö and some shitty suburbs in Sweden and it’s fine. Norway’s nature is better than Sweden, unless you go to northern Sweden. Sweden is relatively flat in the southern half, however there are a lot and a lot of forests and lakes. It’s nice if you’re into camping as Sweden is one of the best destinations for wild camping, as you have the right to roam absolutely everywhere, except in cultivated lands and some exceptions. I liked Gränna (there is an excellent museum about an ill fated polar exploration) in Sweden, and some small towns on the southern coast are lovely. Rent a car or camping van and drive along. Follow these brown signs and just have fun, discover what these brown signs lead to. Norway is more majestic and spectacular, and also the cities are much more devoid of shitskins in general. As for nature, honestly just grab a car and drive. Norway is truly magnificent. And again, follow one of these brown signs and have fun learning something random. It’s always the same rule in European countries with a high proportion of immigrants: if you want to avoid shitskins, either go far from cities, or go to expensive posh areas (ie very central part of a city). Immigrants just fucking hate not being a city.
>>2244496In Norway you need to get yourself to the western parts of the country and rent a car. If you are just going to stay in Oslo there's really very little point in going at all.Flåm and Lærdalsøyri are very scenic, if you look at a map there's a yellow straight line connecting them (tunnel), avoid that and do the white squiggly road over the mountain for some great views. There's a couple of viking stave churches in that area too if you are into that.t. Norwegian>>2244528Same rules about free camping applies in Norway, you can camp basically anywhere as long as you show respect, clean up after yourself and move on after a day or two. Now camping along the fjords might be an issue though, from lack of space to park and set up a tent, all available land is already "taken" so to speak.
>>2244496avoid all major cities.
Skip Sweden, its ruined. Now here is a real tip for you: You probably know that Norway is one of the most expensive countries on earth so save some money and fly to Kittilä or Rovaniemi in Finland. Rent a car from there and pick up your supplies (water, beer, food etc) its way cheaper than Norway. Then just explore northern Norway with your car and you will be happy. t. finn
Both countries have great nature. Norway has fucking nothing besides nature. And it's retard expensive. Not worth it just to visit the cities. Sweden is cheaper, more interesting and generally has actual cities to see. More darkies tho. The last point is irrelevant if you're normal.
>>2244528Why avoid Malmo?
>>2245830Shitskin capital of Sweden. If you want to visit a nicer town near Malmö, just go for Lund. It’s a university city so full of retards but it’s a pretty town with a nice museum to do. The sea is not too far as well if you take the car.
>>2245830Why would you go to the worst immigrant concrete ghetto in the country?>hurr durr why would I avoid downtown Detroit? uurrrr
>>2244528>>2244565>>2244579>>2245480>>2245613Thanks lads I'm going to Sweden S to N then cross to Norway N to S by train, and I'm indeed skipping all major cities. I'll start saving for food because I'm poor.
>>2244496Come to Ålesund ser
Well you better bring plenty of money, cuz Norway is expensive as shit no matter where you go. Sweden is a bit cheaper if u wanna see nice nature and less shitskins go to Norrland or Lappland. Perhaps u will meet some autistic sami tribe or something.
>>2245480Rovaniemi mentioned. Be sure to google the local lolcow, Mikedimayn. He is finnish cartman full of love and joy.
all three of these are small, boring nazi lover countries and not worth the ridiculous expense for what little there is to see or do. unless you wantvto hang out way tf north with the lapps and freeze yr nuts off for no reason and reindeer jerky. if this shite intrrests you just save your money and go to rural pennsylvania.
>>2246715Stockholm > Uppsala, Sundsvall, Östersund, Åre, Trondheim, Alesund is the way.shitskins do live in govt housing in nice small towns and there are somali schools in the middle of nowhere. Sweden is truly fucked
>>2246104Ah that make sense. You hate yourself so you can't stand someone inferior to you actually make something of their life. Poor little baby, just go in to the woods and an hero.
Fuck off racist we don't want you here
>>2244496That dude died.As a Norwegian I am trying to think of differences, but it is so long since I was in Sweden.In general, a bit cheaper in Sweden.Hotter women.More mongs and shitskins.
Norwegian here. Avoiding all major cities in Norway makes no sense.The only city where you might encounter shitskins is Oslo, and in the Oslo case, it's very concentrated to certain regions and even then, our muslims are pretty fucking tame (unlike Sweden's which are like a laboratory experiment gone wrong and now the mutant monkeys are loose).Bergen is fantastically beautiful. Trondheim is quant af. Stavanger has some of the most beautiful girls in the world. Tromsø has very nice people.The only city you might wanna avoid regardless of what I said is Oslo, simply because it's a city to live in, not a city to visit. Little to do, little to see, every museum is basically a government cope for how boring we are, and cripplingly expensive.
>>2245480What about Finland? Is it as baf as Sweden? Which country hasn't been wrecked if any?
>>2250290Finland is nice. Also 95% of Sweden is nice too, you just have to avoid Muslim concentrated areas
>>2250332I know it has beautiful countryside and nice towns, that wasn't my question though.My wagyu beef burger that someone has spat in is still 95% good too.
>>2250236Any tips on good places to go in northern Norway? Thinking of renting a car in either Oulu or Rovaniemi and driving around Lapland and over to Tromso area next month
i moved to sweden recently and its very nice. I found it better than norway desu, its just more habitable and sweeter but i might be biased. im 1000 km up north from stockholm. the lakes, tundra, mountains, villages, moose and geese. sweet people and stunning women
>>2250345No, I'm from the South, so I cannot give any personal recommendations. You will, however, want to go to the coast. All of the Norwegian coast is like Thor himself smashed it with a hammer. Just a Google of "where to go in northern norway" will give you plenty.As for what to do, I'd recommend going in winter. It will be an experience you will never forget. It's literal Skyrim. Northern lights, ancient frigid wilderness, rugged, bearded fishermen.>>2250339Your question was if Finland is as bad as Sweden. The answer is no, with the caveat that Sweden isn't even that bad, given that you don't wander into a slum like a moron. Both nations are two of the most prosperous and peaceful in the world.
>>2250347> the answer is noThat's an answer, you didn't give me one earlier. Good to know, but vermin don't just stay in the bad areas, I live in London so I should know. Any place is a mix of its best and worst.Since you say Finland isn't as bad I'll start thi k about going again. Cheers.
>>2250359>That's an answer, you didn't give me one earlier. Good to know, but vermin don't just stay in the bad areas, I live in London so I should know. Any place is a mix of its best and worst.You cannot compare London, where Englishmen have literally become a minority, and compared that to Sweden in which 8.1% of the population are Muslim and nearly all of them are crammed into particular suburbs. Sweden is magical if you just don't go to specific retard places.
>>2250361Ok, well I hope you're right man, Scandanacia is back on the menu.
>>2250365If your reluctance was about Muslims all along, I can say this:You'll pretty much only ever find Muslims in Oslo, at least in any significant numbers. And even in the most ghettoed out suburbs, they are still comparatively affluent. Norway's Muslim population is, relatively speaking, very well integrated. The only time you will ever be at risk is if you are walking around, alone, very late at night, in dark alleyways, downtown. Even then, you have to be stupidly unlucky.Sweden is, again, much worse, but just like with Norway, it's extremely area-dependent. Finland's Muslim population is 3%. To even consider it as a factor in your travels is laughable.What you see of Muslims going berserk in Scandinavia is almost entirely Sweden, and it's always the same areas, and even then, it's exaggerated. If you've been somehow convinced otherwise, have a look at this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pfyzzvb7hgThis dude is where I grew up, and is trying to portray that area as dangerous. For anyone who has ever been there, this looks like a straight up comedy skit. It's like going into Chinatown and warning people that China is invading. If you ever go to Oslo, I'd recommend going there yourself, just to see the reality of it, and what hysteria looks like retrospectively.
>>2250374Not specifically Muslims, but I am aware that they are the biggest portion of immagrints. I'm not one of the people who think white people are god's gift either. But when I go abroad for a specific culture it just pisses me off to see a load of Africans or Indians making the place look untidy. I didn't come to see those fucks. It seems like everywhere is like this now. Italy was a shocker, and I don't want to be robbed of the best experience again.
>>2250401Replace "Muslim" with "darkskin" and it's the same then.
>>2250401If you avoid some shitty suburbs, Sweden is nowhere as bad as Italy or France. Thing is, Sweden is a very segregated country. I know it’s surprising, but it is. Brown people are packed together and they rarely mix with white people for daily life purpose. While in France, they just build shitty social housing everywhere, even in posh areas, so you get shitskins everywhere. Even in the countryside. I would know, I live in France, and not even in Paris. Even Stockholm, if you stick to white zones, and posh areas, is white as fuck compared with Paris or Rome. On top of it, it’s not as touristic as Paris and Rome so brown people don’t bother harassing tourists to sell their shitty trinkets. Oslo is even more of a joke in that regards. It’s absolutely peanuts compared with France and Italy. Norwegians would kill themselves if they saw France if they think Oslo is a shithole full of shitskins. And Oslo is worth it for the Fram museum alone imo. Nice city, for 2-3 days. In conclusion: is it easy to avoid brown people in Sweden? Yes. General rule is to avoid some large cities’ suburbs and also ex-industrial cities that never managed to catch up its post-industrial phase (I am thinking abour Norrköping).
>>2250464Thanks, sounds like it's not so bad and these places can still be nice holidays. Maybe one day they'll kick them all out and it'll be totally beautiful.
>>2250464Seconding this, it's surprising how even the shittiest city is incredibly segregated. Take Malmö, with 30% shitskins, when I walked in the newly developed area I saw almost no arabs, the only non-whites I saw were asians married to Swedes. Also if you're worried about shitskins from a security perspective and not a visual one then you shouldn't really worry, shitskins over here tend to only be aggressive with people they're involved with and not outsider, that being said they still do harm innocent people but a lot of the stuff you hear in the news are about people that have been involved with these animals before said crime occurred. I still advise to stay away from the slums tho.[spoiler]t. living in Malmö[/spoiler]
>>2250639Where are you from?
>>2246104>because I'm poor.These brown people are better than you chud
>>2245830Retards outside Malmö think it's still the darkie capital of Sweden. It isn't. These days every city, town and small village has darkies in it and Malmö is no longer special. I personally think that Stockholm is worse than Malmö, the darkies are much more aggressive and confrontational there.I'm not sure I'd recommend visiting Malmö or Lund for that matter, very boring cities and these days fags from Stockholm have taken over.
>>2252029I am visiting Stockholm next week on a business trip. How do I avoid getting raped by Tyrone? I'll be staying in an upscale hotel in an upscale area for both days. Is it a good idea to take public transportation or should I go with uber?
>>2253550Chances of having an incident with the local "POC" is rare. I've walked around the worst parts of various towns and they're still miles better than much of America. Just avoid the young men hanging out in groups and wearing hoodies and soft pants, they're cucks but might start shit if provoked enough.Generally the only people that get raped, mugged or assaulted are women and zoomer boys. A$AP Rocky and his crew beat the shit out of some violent Afghan druggies a few years back, the local criminal thug here is the equivalent of a college liberal in America.Skip the metro and buses since they're overpriced.
the thing everyone isnt mentioning is that its a boring expensive place in the first place. why go through all the trouble of dodging brown landmine areas when you could just go to Alaska or Iceland or Canada instead? Better nature, cheaper, no blacks. What does sweden have thats unique? Nothing.
>>2253550The nice areas of Stockholm are white as fuck, and felt extremely safe.Public transportation is good as well. If you don't go to shitty suburbs, you won't have issues.>>2254096I just love scandinavian countries dude, it's my thing, simple as.
>>2245830Grenades.Not shitting you. Sweden didn't class grenades as assault weapons until immigrant gangs started importing grenades from the Balkans and using them on each other.
>>2250236Swede here.I flew from Arlanda to Tromsø ca. 10 years ago and spent a week there.Beautiful town and the nature up there is jaw droppingly beautiful.
>>2245932Different Anon to the previous: I'm going to Malmo in July because the architecture seems nice and I'll also pay Lund a visit. Are immigrants the only negative aspect of Malmo?
>>2254882Yeah, immigrants are always generally the negative aspects of anywhere in Europe. Except for some food, sometimes.Avoid Rosengard and Lindängen, these neighborhoods are shitholes that have no right to exit in Europe.Other than that, Skanes is a nice place in general, towards the southern tip it's quite posh and barely any immigrant. I go there yearly.
>>2254963Noted. Thank you, Anon.
>>2254963I have a job in Lindängen, it's not that bad. Sure, a Swede will shit his pants the second a darkie is nearby but Americans, English and French will do just fine.Möllevången is the worst area in Malmö for me, retarded leftist druggies, gypsies and poor immigrants shitting up the entire area with trash.
>>2254882>I'm going to Malmo in July because the architecture seemswhat a fucking moronso much nature and mountains all over Scandinavia and this brainlet wants to go in an islamic concrete shitholewhat a fucking retard
>>2254882Just was in Malmo two nights ago for a concert. Talked to some locals after the show and they said if I walked a little further down the road (Annelund/Emilstorp area) id probably be robbed or die. Seemed fairly unhappy with the state of things in the city, but they got a good laugh out me making racist jokes the whole night. If you ever though Copenhagen had an Arab problem, going across the bridge is a whole nother level. I thought the town itself was pretty cozy though, shame it's been taken over
I may visit Norway in the coming weeks, does anyone has some tips on how to travel there on a budget?Are lofoten and senja islands really a must see? Are there some fun nature related activities you'd advise other than hiking and cycling?I intend to drive around a lot. Are ferries affordable? Are there some cheaper car rental companies?
>>2256368>does anyone has some tips on how to travel there on a budget?I have spent a lot in Norway but the cheapest food is obviously sandwiches from supermarkets, and 7 elevens. Alcohol is expensive as fuck, you may want to stop drinking during your trip, unless you buy a can from a supermarket (and it would still be expensive as fuck).Drive along scenic routes. Heaps of these in Norway, absolutely kino.
>>2255311Any places with appealing nature you'd recommend, big man?
Is Norway noticeably more expensive than Sweden/Denmark?
Isn't Turkey denying Scandanavian countries NATO membership on the basis that they are harboring alt Islamic terror factions or something? Makes me wonder how exactly these 'Refugees' we're ultimately chosen from the whole pool right? Did these countries unintentionally fuck themselves over by supporting smaller more neo fascist Islamic groups during the supposed 'War on Terror'? Instead of the more sane and rational Muslims who likely would've been more educated and would integrate better into highly developed societies? For instance here in the US most Muslims are from I wanna say the South Asian region aka India Pakistan and they probably make up a higher percentage of mostly affluent well integrated successful portions of the larger population. What would be interesting to see is where exactly are these refugees in scandanavia from exactly and what subgroups/organizations/religious subminority did they belong to and compare them to refuges in other EU nations where perhaps integration occured more favorably.To me at least it would make the most sense if they DID support antigov anti establishment 'pro democracy' factions in the middle east and north Africa regions during the 2000s, 2010, Arab spring period like Turkey is currently asserting and they're so clueless that they don't realize that those same groups basically destroyed entire countries from within are now doing the same in their own countries. It's a classic you reap what you sow scenario.
>>2256368Ferries aren't all that expensive. Drive along the coast for best views. Lom might be an exception.
>>2256697What a fucking schizo post.t. norwegian
>>2256710Is this how all Scandanavians deal with their problems? Just use an Ad-hominem to avoid the argument?t. American
>>2256368bring dehydrated camping food and a tent and some cookware, also bring your own alcohol
>>2256526>Any places with appealing naturejesus christ what a blithering idiotthe whole Scandinavian peninsula is mostly nature, expecially in the northern part and along the mountain rangedo you know how to use Google Earth to figure out where the nature is or you have to ask here?
Wow, trv really has gotten based in the last few years.Overall some good advice from the serious posts itt.Shitskin density is highly dependent on area and even time of day since they don't have jobs. Sadly they're everywhere, even up north. Especially the towns up there are bad, like Kiruna which is also the major hub if you're going hiking in Lapland.For fjords and stunning scenery it's Norway and to a lesser extent northern Sweden but beware that driving through large swaths of N Sweden means looking down spruce corridors. The laplandic mountain range excepted.A small town in central-ish Sweden that strikes me as a cut above the mean is Rättvik. Hälsingland is nice too.The area around Härnösand and Örnsköldsvik is called the High Coast and is kinda like Norway Lite.Southern Swe has nice beaches, deciduous forests and beautiful flatlands/rolling fields. Also more history because it's more habitable.As I am convinced is the case everywhere, to get a taste of the real, day to day of a country you're best off hiking, biking or bussing between small towns.The island of Gotland has lots of viking/medieval history and a very nice old city (Visby). If you're into that it's worth the 3 hour boat ride for a 1-day visit.
>>2257461Of course I know how to use Google Maps, I was simply asking for recommendations seem as this thread is still active. In the past I've discovered hidden gems via word of mouth (so to speak) rather than travel guides so surely there's no harm in asking.
>>2258848Driving around Vombs fure in autum while a sunset was ongoing was one of the fondest memories I had last year. Thousands of barnacle geese were flying and the sound they made was truly eerie. Just drive around, look for “naturreservat” and discover pleasant wild suprises.
>>2250156That's not true, I want him here.
>>2256697>Isn't Turkey denying Scandanavian countries NATO membership on the basis that they are harboring alt Islamic terror factions or something?Sweden accepted Kurdish terrorists as refugees. Kurdistan is a project sponsored by jews to destabilize the Middle East further, to be a "second Israel" according to Kissinger and similar ilk. Sweden is far more controlled by jews than any other country due to jews fleeing to Sweden during WW2, especially from other Scandinavian countries. It also why they have way more extreme anti-white politics and the police crack down much harder on anti-zionism
>>2261335Forgot to add, a lot of this is Erdogan fucking with Israel because the jews have been fucking with Turkey through vassal states like the US and its NGOs
>>2244496why would you want to go to skandicuckia?
do yourself a favor, and go to Norway for May 17th, next year.
>>2256592Yes, expect 30-40% more expensive
>>2256697>Islamic terror factionsNo, Turkey is denying them for various reasons, one being that they harbor Kurdish terrorists. These terrorists actually fight against ISIS in Syria and have received aid from the US and EU. To simplify the extradition problem: Turkey says that org A is a terrorist org, Sweden and all EU countries agree and have them labeled as a terrorist group. Sweden has even jailed and extradited people belonging to this group. Turkey however also sees org B and C as sister organizations to A and want people affiliated with B and C extradited, Sweden, Finland (and most EU countries) don’t see B or C as a sister org and thus there’s no legal basis to have these people extradited. The list of people allegedly affiliated with B and C isn’t entirely legitimate either since it contains people that are already dead or whose crime is insulting people on social media which makes the claim that these people affiliated with B or C to be actual terrorists less legitimate. >sane and rational muslimsThe rational thing to do would be to not accept any of them>if the DID support antigovSweden has a long history of supporting anti-colonialism movements and then promptly ignoring them when they turn out to be more dangerous than the original colonial rulers, see Mugabe or SA.Either way Sweden and Finland won’t be joining NATO if Erdogan sticks to his plan, going along with all his demands would mean that Sweden would change its constitution which obviously won’t happen it would be political suicide.
Soon I'll be travelling by ferry from Sweden to Finland and I'll be in a 4 berth cabin. Is the cabin private or will I have to share with 3 random people?