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Which countries are the best to teach English in. Got rejected from JET and I'm sick of teaching in the UK (qualified teacher) so want to fuck off somewhere and teach abroad. More concerned about comfy lifestyle than what makes the most money.
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I'll open by saying I'm not a teacher
But
I know someone who taught in Saigon for many years and loved it. It depends what you consider a comfy lifestyle though. You'll live pretty well but it is a developing country.
I guess Korea if you're set on a highly advanced country.
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>>2171518
Do you have kids OP? A friend of mine is a history teacher at the French international school of Ho Chi Minh . Apparently the educational system in this country is awful. And therefore when his children decided to go back to France, he had many difficulties to find a school that accepted them . All that because of the reputation of the Vietnamese educational system.
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>>2171559
Why didn't they send them to an international school?
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>>2171583
Sorry, to clarify, I meant why didn't they send them to a non-french international school. Surely the English ones are reasonable?
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>>2171518
Are you black or a tranny? How'd you get rejected from JET? It's one of the easiest to get into.
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>>2171518
I hope it’s because you were non-white. Stay out of our playgrounds.

I have a TEFL but I’ve never used it because im a bonafide sex tourist and I can’t abuse the moral role of teacher to fund my creampies. Too conflicting
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>>2171682
Well at least you have a shred of morality I suppose.
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>>2171585
Would have been the same I think. No matter the International school, you'll always find native pupils. But except that, it can be interesting to teach with those students though.
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Non-teacher (burger) here. Rejected as well.
I'm gonna start by applying to a shitton of smaller prefecturial teacher exchange programs.
Good luck, anon. Or at least, you should have better luck than me.
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>>2171518
You don’t define comfy lifestyle, but since you were trying to get into JET I can guess what you’re looking for. Someone else mentioned Vietnam, and it had a great work-life balance, but it’s also chaotic and pretty far from the experience you’d have in Japan. (Personally I had more fun working in Vietnam than Japan, and saved more money too.) You might like Taiwan. Avoid Korea - the pay there is no longer worth the grind. I liked my experience in Kazakhstan once I got used to how serious everyone always acted.

BTW, as a qualified teacher, you should be looking at international schools.
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>>2171518
If you're a qualified teacher you shouldn't be applying to Eikaiwa or ALT jobs at all. Shop around for positions in schools.
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>>2171518
>>2171677
>>2171917
JET has turned into liberals only. Everyone I know that has gotten into JET in the past 5 years were all weeb liberals who gushed about how long they loved anime in the letter you have to write for the application. If you're a normal, white, and straight male.....your chances of getting in are low.
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>>2171990
I request corroboration on this, solely because I refuse to believe it.
Can anyone back this up?
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>>2171677
what the hell is JET?
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>>2171990
>>2171993
I just got the acceptance interview email for JET. I am white (literally mentioned being proud of my heritage in the opening sentence) and didn't mention anime, diversity, or any of that shit. I practice a specific Japanese 'art' and I worked that into the essay of how it would make me 'teach' better or some shit.
Though I'm probably fucked in the interview when they ask "How will you explain racism to your students"
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>>2172016
First of all, good on you, anon. Good luck with your interview.
My essay focused mainly on my (informal) experience teaching/mentoring children and peers, and my love of cultural exchange and learning to fit into new communities. I didn't make the cut.
>"How will you explain racism to your students"
Yeah, I read that in previous years they asked about how you'd discuss the bad orange man in the classroom
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Seeing people seethe from rejection is making me feel real smug right now.
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>>2171993
>>2172016
>>2172021
>they dont believe the liberal requirement
>one of JETs do or die questions is about MUH RACISM
C'mon.
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>>2171518
If you're into cocaine and hookers Colombia is your best bet
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>>2172028
You might as well be working for free to teach in Colombia. It will pay enough to be satisfied (but not happy) with your home, or your food, but not enough to be satisfied with both. I have my own incomes so I don’t ask for much but I do expect a job to cover the necessities of life.
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>>2172023
If you got accepted, you have a right to feel smug. I would too.
However, if you didn't even apply and are simply here to drink weeb tears, you can go fuck yourself.
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>>2171682
Well maybe dont fuck your students especially if your in kindergarten
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>>2171990
I doubt it. I'm going to guess these liberals are more educated - probably explains why they're liberals, given the American tertiary education system.
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>>2172023
>>2172040
cringe
>>2172053
have to have a bachelors at minimum to apply for JET. so you're implying people with masters are taking up all the spots? low iq take.
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>>2172066
yikes
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>>2172066
Its the great resignation senpai, who fucking knows
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>>2172092
I have a doctorate and considered applying. I'm a weeb with yellow fever though
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>>2172131
Based Dr Coomer
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>>2172027
>>2172021
>>2172016
Who the fuck is judging these applications?

I thought the Japanese were supposed to be based? are they contracting in obese blue haired women and shareholders of Onions to conduct interviews? What's going on?
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>>2172484
What happens if you say something really based like "its like how you treat Koreans, but for us its black people"?
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>>2171980
Does having a CELTA count as a qualified teacher?
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>>2172027
>this is the first result
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I want to go somewhere where I can live comfy. Safe and laid back, decent apartment, not having to work too many hours. I don't drink or date, don't need anything fancy. I just go to work and then back home to my computer. Will graduate with a bachelors by the end of this year.

Will be looking at Thailand first but wondering what other options there will be when things open up.
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>>2172928
ok so what are you trying to say? of course the libshits would hire a nog.
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>>2172919
>Does having a CELTA count as a qualified teacher?
lol, good one
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>>2172934
>I don't drink or date, don't need anything fancy. I just go to work and then back home to my computer.
Why the hell are you looking at TEFL if you don't want to experience anything that TEFL life has to offer? If you're graduating with a BA and just want a job that lets you work and go home to your computer then you should be applying to every corporate recruiter that visits your campus, and every advertised government job.
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what are some of the best spanish-speaking countries to tefl? i've read the spain wages are shit
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In case you haven't noticed a mass hysteria has shut down the entire world and the TEFL industry is completely decimated. You are basically limited to South Korea and Vietnam in terms of Asia from the last time I checked.
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TEFL is a hellhole rn. The exodus of China from the industry has flooded the job market with experienced guys. Vietnam is still closed too.

Wait 5 ish years. Although by that time, online stuff may be advanced enough that you can learn English independently.
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>>2173051
Vietnam is closed.
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>>2173163
>Wait 5 ish years
countries cant wait that long
>The exodus of China from the industry has flooded the job market with experienced guys
one of the worst teachers i ever saw was experienced and from china. but you're right. the market is probably even so much more saturated now.
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>>2172972
Mexico and Paraguay
pay is shit, people are nice
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>>2173051
Vietnam is a tough nut to crack right now but Thailand, Cambodia, Myanmar and a few others are issuing work visas. You main point about the exodus from China is 100% true though, even in normal times it would have upended the industry. The only fortunate thing is that many of those Chinese exiles have just given up because they can't get into a comfy East Asian country. There's still opportunities available now to wait out until favored destinations reopen.
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>>2173466
How much cash will I earn in Thailand with 0 xp?
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>>2173171
>the worst I saw came from China
I'm assuming you aren't counting the Filipinos "teaching English" in Japan that can't even speak English themselves.
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>>2173700
30,000-40,000 baht/month, closer to the bottom of that with no experience.
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>>2172484
>>2172016

You niggers are the far right counterparts of the weebs you're denouncing. Literal /pol/ NPCs incapable of straying away from the fucking narrative for two fucking seconds.

You're going to fucking japan which is a non white country, you've seen the tone used in the application, yet you still find a way to put some white pride bullshit. You just couldn't help it. It was fucking beyond you to just humor a fucking visa application.

You guys should really kill yourselves. Not because of your political opinions but because the purge you are waiting for will be aimed towards inferior retards such as you.
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>>2173163
Online teaching has already taken off. I'm still teaching some Chinese students online, but I'm not sure how much longer TEFL will be feasible. I just got a part-time gig at a school in my country alongside my online work, need to keep options open.
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>>2173716
>japan which is a non white country, you've seen the tone used in the application, yet you still find a way to put some white pride bullshit.
You really don't understand pol or people on the zoomer right. Literally no one is a white supremacist there and everyone loves Japan since it actually cares about preserving its history and is an ethno state.
99.9999999% of people just hate black people and hate muslims that keep a 1100AD mindset.
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>>2173716
What the fuck are you babbling about?

I have no desire to go to Japan nor do I browse /pol/. No one has said anything about white pride or a purge either.

Just seems like people are a little tired of America's fetish for inserting politics and race into every faucet of life and would like to be spared for a few seconds of not having to keep up with the circus act.

Lay off the news / twitter / reddit and whatever else is influencing you to give such a knee jerk reaction to such trivial comments.
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Bump for interest. I've been "hired" by several different schools now (two in China, two in SK) but have been unable to actually get there. Willing to go anywhere so long as it's financially sensible and logistically possible.
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>>2173711
No I don't count those cockroaches. Filipinos in Japan are some of the rudest and most disgusting people I have ever met. It baffles me that Japan gladly pumps the country full of shitskins from India, Flips, and wetbacks.
>>2173716
ok libtard you're not going to get any upvotes here so calm down.
>>2173717
Online teaching in China has been decimated.
>>2173860
What's the hold up? PU letters? Schools will hire way more people than they need, knowing that most people wont actually make it over.
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>>2173884
I actually recieved a PU for one of the jobs in China but opted out of going because at that point I'd only gotten once vaccine and was told that it might present issues at the border. Flights were also being cancelled left and right so it just didn't feel like a smart move. Had I known how much longer this covid hysteria was going to go on I would have taken the leap.
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>>2173909
I had almost the same situation. I got a PU letter and was ready to go. But the flights were expensive and so was quarantine. I just couldn't justify spending all my savings and jumping through all the flight hoops.
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>>2173910
My thoughts exactly. With no guarantees I wasn't willing to spend several thousand dollars in the hope that I wouldn't get fucked.
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>>2173884
>ok libtard you're not going to get any upvotes here so calm down.

nothing liberal about what i've said. All i'm saying is maybe leave your retarded takes for when you'll be accepted and have arrived in the country. But you can't, and you won't. You're actually so dim-witted you mistook my post as a pro-liberal stance when it's clearly an invitation to think like a normal human being who wouldn't act like a fucking /pol/tard and involve his ethnic supremacy in every fucking aspect of their lives.

>>2173800
Read the comment again, you dumbfuck. The first sentence concerns you, the two others the one that both you and I are quoting.
>Just seems like people are a little tired of America's fetish for inserting politics and race into every faucet of life and would like to be spared for a few seconds of not having to keep up with the circus act.

JET is a japanese program. you know japs do not care if you were Goebbels himself. What they do care about is if one can leave his political beliefs at the door for a while, and will filter him accordingly. Speaking of circus acts, Bozo over there is going in a fucking asian country and he's openly displaying the belief that he might be a white supremacist. How fucking retarded is that ?
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>>2174063
you just ramble on and type words but you're not saying anything
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>>2171990
If that's what you believe (it isn't true btw, I did jet 2017-19) why wouldn't you just lie in your application/interview? Do you have autism?
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>>2173716
Absolutely based post. JET is honestly easy as shit to get into because your competition is literally unwashed weebs and stormfront incels, half of whom still manage to get in anyway, and you'll have to put up with for the next 1-5 years.
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>>2174078
My point exactly. They can't fucking fathom the thought of "pretending" for as long as one visa application.
The simple fact that you may suggest that will make them think you're a commie, that's how inept they are
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>>2171990
>all weeb liberals who gushed about how long they loved anime
All the guides I've seen have said to literally not do this.
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I teach in Korea, been here ten years. I'm an assistant professor at a small university. It's pretty nice. I get a decent salary, cost of living is low, and I have 5 months of paid vacation a year. Life is cozy.
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>>2174162
How the hell did you manage to swindle 5 months of vacation, is this common in Korea? People here get three months paid vacation and that's considered a really great deal. Here's me thinking Koreans had good work/study ethic.
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>>2174250
I’m guessing uni teaching in Korea is the same as Japan. 30 weeks a year, rest is paid off. Is nice.
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>>2174255
Lucky assholes, what the fuck do students do for the other 22 weeks a year ?
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>>2174259
Who fucking cares? They do the usual shit—-part-time jobs, study, travel, go back to their hometowns, etc.
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>>2174260
I care bro. Really I thought east Asians studied all their fucking life until they got a job and then they work all their life, I felt sympathy for these people at how hard they work and now your blowing up my worldview by telling me they DO study hard but half the year they are just doing "whatever lol" This is huge news for me.
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>>2174162
arinbro winning
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>>2174263
Many uni students don’t do fuck all. The heaviest studying is usually done in HS. Uni is often considered party time before the working grind.
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>>2174265
That's the second most retarded-backwards thing I've heard all morning.
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>>2174269
Maybe so, but I’m not complaining.
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>>2174271
Has no one in Korea and Japan ever suggested that cramming subjects unrelated to your intended occupation and then slacking off when you begin studying for your specialised job is a terrible idea? Oh well enjoy your 5 months off asshole, the only consolation I have is SIESTA
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>>2173716
I don't think it's healthy getting this worked up over a couple of larpers.
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>>2174269
>>2174265
Bachelors only.

Masters are hell.
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>>2174066
Not him but i see no ramble here. You however are coping hard, you do know that won't give you your JET visa back right ? Kek
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>>2174263
I thought this too about Korea and China.That everyone in Asia were brainwashed robots who just did as they were told and worked 24/7. Then I moved to these countries and found out that their life is WAY more lax than back in Canada. People actually enjoy life here and are more open about shit. Ironically being here just made me realize how brainwashed I myself was.
Meanwhile my high school friends in Canada are working two jobs while living with their parents. Fuck the globohomo west. You are essentially a serf.
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>>2174250
>is this common in Korea
Common for university gigs. As a uni teacher I don't get the best salary, but the quality of life is amazing.
>>2174263
>I thought east Asians studied all their fucking life until they got a job and then they work all their life
You gotta understand, Koreans and Japanese consider uni to be the summertime of their lives. It's the only chance between the high school grind and career grind to really cut loose and enjoy themselves. It's wild. A lot of my students are hungover during my lectures, the boys never seem to know what's going on, the girls spend class time flirting with me, etc.
>>2174264
bro
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>>2174162
What are your qualifications? Master's and a CELTA? The dream job for me is "working" in a small Chinese uni. I don't care about money at all I just want to be comfy!!!!
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>>2174358
I have a Master's from an online program and a CELTA. If comfy is your goal, then a uni gig is the job for you. I know a bunch of folks who have gone to work in small Chinese unis. Some love it, some hate it. I hear the students are really good and the working environment is chill, but you gotta deal with communism and government officials monitoring you.
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>>2174368
That government is fine. I have nothing to hide and don't talk onlin much beyond 4chan and a few private discords. I don't have an MA yet but I've been considering it. Just want to try teaching abroad first to see if I hate it or not.
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>>2171990
I thought JET filtered out weebs?
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>>2174526
Mate, if you're doing JET, you are a weeb. Simple as. Now, you may be a high-functioning, non-autistic weeb, you may not give a hot fuck about otaku bullshit, but you're still a weeb/Japanophile. Weebs are the least of your worries by the way, the pedos, the sexpests, and the batshit crazy SJW females, and the really insecure LBH guys are way worse.
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>>2174162
Have you fucked any of your students? How's meeting women in general?
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Dis nigga speaking the kings English (FROM ENGLAND) got rejected teaching it in nipland. Kek
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>>2174642
>the pedos, the sexpests, and the batshit crazy SJW females, and the really insecure LBH guys are way worse.
Really? What's LBH?
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>>2174888
It's code for "a guy who won't date 30+ year old white women".
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>>2174888
LBH = Loser back home

Basically, it used to designate a lot of people who were basically NEETs or had some past that prevented them from having a career in the West and came to China and other asian countries to get a new start by becoming english teachers at a time where asia desperately needed even the least qualified of teachers. Obviously, they didn't leave their quirks at the door and started doing some retarded shit like showing up high/drunk at a kindergarten class, and overall inappropriate behaviors in public. hence the term "Loser Back Home".

But like >>2174891 said, it's been co-opted by roasties, autistic weebs and some retarded chang nationalists lurking here as a blanket term that pretty much describes everyone who's white and living in Asia.
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>>2174910
That's kinda funny. Still wonder why a white man having a life and / or wife overseas makes the "love is love s2" crowd so mad. All my racist family members and friends were and still are supportive of me.
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>>2174918
>>2174910
crabs in a bucket don't like seeing others get out.
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>>2174910
Good breakdown. LBH still applies to the lowest rungs of the ESL world, but the term has largely been co-opted as a catchall insult favoured by bitter fempats (same with incel, racist, nazi, etc). I don't know how much back-home success your average twenty something is supposed to have before they're safe from being branded an LBH.
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>>2175026
>Bitter fempats
Been here for 7 years now and never had a single conversation with a fempat, some tourists here and there but never a full blown femat. The two or three I see a year seem fine and smile at me when I see them but that could be politeness.
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>>2175056
It depends what country you're in, and probably the randomness of your colleagues and social groups. My first job was Korea and I worked at basically an induction factory that took brand new teachers. I'd say that the female teachers were surprised and a bit uncomfortable about the sudden drop in attention they got from the foreign guys (the attractive ones anyways) but overall it didn't bother them much - everyone was busy, tended to drink together (guys who started dating locally would drop out of the group drinking), and most teachers left after 1-2 years.
Later I taught in Taiwan and for whatever reason, the female teachers absolutely seethed at male teachers. Everyone I worked with were older and now pursuing this longer than short-timers in Korea, so this could also have been the realization women eventually get that they have closer expiry dates than men, and men can continue to date nubile young women long after they've hit middle age. Taiwan was a wasteland for female teachers. Every male teacher hooked up very quickly, and the western females would try to pounce on new arrivals before they realized they could do better than they could back home.
In Japan the female teachers are just kind of resigned to the fact that male teachers have zero interest in them, but they also recognize that the majority of male teachers in Japan weren't really interested in white/brown women in the first place, and gaijin women in Japan can get attention from gaijin tourists/servicemen, or local men with certain fetishes if they want. (Same goes for Korea to a large extent.)
Vietnam seemed to attract teachers who were there mostly for the pay and lifestyle, and while most guys dated locals it didn't seem to bother the relatively fewer women that much, but I did notice they were thirsty and had low standards.
I also taught in the Middle East and Central Asia but the teachers there (both men and women) did not really interact with the locals at all outside of work.
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>>2175026
>>2175056
fempats are just butthurt that they can't compete with the local women and have to either
a) settle for beta bugmen
b) go back home where fat feminists are tolerated
9 times out of 10, they don't last more than a year abroad in Asia. It's hilarious.
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>>2175061
idk when you were in Korea but most foreign girls go to Korea specifically to date Korean men and have zero interest in other foreigners.
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>>2175068
Not sure about Korea, but this is definitely not the case in China or Taiwan
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>>2175068
I was in Seoul, well over 10 years ago. The K-culture craze hadn't really hit the West back then. It's different now, I've even met a couple of girls who did Korean language majors in school, but back then the number one reason anyone chose Korea was the pay and benefits for fresh graduates with zero experience.
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>>2175072
I would say a good 50% of girls at my uni liked kpop to a certain degree and 20% took it too far, to the point of doing multiple kpop dances at school functions.
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Come to Chile.

Chilean english teachers suck, we need native english teachers.

I'm from Chile and as a spanish speaker, I prefer to improve my english level with a native english teacher.
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>>2175098
Do you guys also accept people from western Europe who speak fluent English?
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>>2175098
Are your women easy to creampie? What's the prostitution scene like?
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How are people teaching English online?
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>>2175132
I've been doing it for the last ~7 months. It's pretty much a proprietary zoom + slides software. Not sure how I still have students as I'm working for a Chinese company and have almost exclusively Chinese students. After China announced a near total ban on online English lessons I had a lull in booked lessons (the company handles all bookings, I just show up) but recently I've been booked solid. They also offered me a second six-month contract in December. Either my company is defying the new laws or there's some kind of workaround I'm not aware of. Overall it's pretty easy and comfy now that lower level lessons are a rarity for me. I typically teach 8-12 yo students who are mostly fluent already. I get to work in my pajamas and earn ~USD$18/hr (with a 10-min break between each 30-min class). The only downside is that I have to wake up at 4:20 in the morning due to timezone differences. That said I'm done my "work day" at 8:00AM. Overall it's the best part-time job I've ever had and will look good on my resume when I start looking for an in-person ESL job in China.
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upper age limit for this stuff?
I've got skills and a masters, but I doubt I could get hired as a counellor or teacher abroad without an Ed degree, despite other quals. Would love to though
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>>2175290
I would say 35 is when age starts being not in your favor. Unless your well educated and in your late 40's/50's. Then you look tenured.
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>>2175076
Which country?
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>>2175266
What company? I'm at Palfish and they just lowered my pay to fucking 3 dollars a class. They have only done it to some teachers but already people in my group are REEEEEEEing because they know they will be next. This wage isn't bad, it's fucking terrible. Shame cause I love my students and feel the Palfish teaching content is legit good but this wage is just absolutely unacceptable. Even Walmart is paying a significantly higher wage than this. Applied to some other jobs but they seem to be getting too many applicants. The online ESL market is over.
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>>2175381
>There are others
Thought I was the only dumbass slaving away for less than minimum wage. I've gotten so lazy with these two hour classes that I have to make entirely by myself. Currently we watch ~40 minutes or youtube 30 minutes of skribbl.io and the rest is speaking + listening. Been running out of interesting videos to watch so I usually chuck on Jinhao Tan or Gorden Ramsey.
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>>2175381
>What company?
Qkids. They pay a base rate of USD$8 per 30-min class, +$1 per class if you teach 15 or more classes in a week, and +$1 if you have no negative reviews for a class (which are rare anyways). However I wouldn't even consider doing this for fucking $3/hr. Time to get another job, brother.
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>>2171994
It's a drug made from brahmin goo. The Mordino family produces it and distributes across big parts of California. It's key to their plan of taking control over gold mines in Redding.
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>>2175451
>Qkids is a company specializing in connecting North American...

Do they accept Australians?
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>>2175370
USA
>>2175391
sounds like the shit wages are justified
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>>2175508
I don't know for sure but I've heard they'll accept non-NA applicants if they have a neutral accent. However I don't think they're hiring at the moment. I've read dozens of seething comments on r*ddit from people who weren't offered contract renewals. I suspect that the company did some major downsizing in anticipation of being locked out of China completely and I just happened to make the cut.
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>>2175560
Half of the girls at your American university liked fucking kpop? I find that hard to believe. Were they the typical fat koreaboos with green hair or hot blonde sorority chicks? Btw which university if you don't mind me asking.
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>>2175266
>After China announced a near total ban on online English lessons
I'm out of the loop but why did they do this?
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>>2175737
Tldr they want people to have more kids. Banning online English lessons makes it cheaper to have kids according to their thinking. They also said something about reducing childhood stress buy I highly doubt that was a major factor.
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>>2175735
i said to a certain degree about 50% did. no im not telling you my uni, sorry.
>>2175737
i believe it has to do with easing the burden and over schooling of kids. to which >>2175802 said, will probably lead to more children.
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>>2175508
>>2175451
>>2175595
I applied for the job two days ago and got a response saying I got rejected. I'm university educated, have a TESOL certificate, have 5 years experience teaching English and can even speak Mandarin. If they aren't accepting my resumé they aren't accepting anyone's. If anyone can recommend another company let me know but the online ESL industry really seems to be over. Congrats to anyone who snagged a job. I highly encourage making an exit plan though, eventually they'll lower your wage like they did mine. Fucking sucks bros. I don't want to go back to China nor my Canadian shithole country.
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>>2174368
>CELTA
Is CELTA necessary? Anon you're living the dream, I also have a masters and have dreamed of working for a uni abroad (korea in particular).
Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated as to the processs and tips
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>>2175802
>>2175805
Holy shit is that what they actually said?

I think it's social control. They want fewer people talking to foreigners and reading about nascent democracy movements.
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>>2174162
How hard is it to get that job? I heard from a friend in Japan, uni jobs plummeted past couple years in availability because market got flooded.
Think I still got a chance, anything to give an edge or in? (you'd recommend me right anon?)
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>>2174368
Just posting on 4chan puts you on an NSA list. Hope you enjoy amerimutt and chang officials going through your Facebook.
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>>2176456
Its probably both.

TEFLers are the majority of white expats coming in the country and are often the only white people you would interact with as a kid, which plays an influential role in your development to just meet "different" people. Removing them dramatically decreases all possible contact with western people for kids, and it also diminishes their workload.

It also filters the pieces of shit as now you're either teaching uni (which makes it far more selective) or you have to go back.
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>>2176444
>university educated
Doesnt mean shit anymore friend. With the demand decreasing, anything short of a masters in English will make it tough for ya.
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>>2176456
Could be that they don't want kids growing up sympathetic to foreign people. Despite their reputation as being drunken sex tourists, many ESL teachers build excellent relationships with their students.
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>>2176591
This is horseshit. If you want to work exclusively in nice Korean or Japanese universities for high pay, sure. However the VAST majority of ESL jobs, even the good ones, still hold a Bachelor's in anything and ANY TEFL cert as minimum requirements. Even then, the TEFL cert is often negotiable. Having a relevant humanities BA and a TEFL cert (ideally a "real" one like a CELTA) makes you valuable in all major ESL countries. Not saying that advanced qualifications like a Master's or a state teaching license aren't valuable, because they 100% are and should be on your radar if you plan on doing TEFL for more than a couple years, but you're completely incorrect in saying that they're the new minimum requirements.
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>>2176471
Yeah the market in Japan is flooded. Every faggot obsessed with anime is willing to be a slave for the "LE JUST LIKE NARUTO" experience.
>>2176537
cringe
>>2176591
not true at all and it's obvious you're shit posting because you're depressed with your life and want others to feel the same depression and despair.
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>>2176591
>demand decreasing
Source?
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>>2176757
>you're depressed with your life and want others to feel the same depression and despair
Why yes, thank you for noticing
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>>2176758
>>2176756
Just ask anyone working in the online TEFL industry. Requirements are up, wages are down and job hirings are WAY down. >>2176591 is actually correct.
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>>2176946
Shut up already
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>>2176950
>t. butthurt
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>>2176959
>I heckin got him with my baseless and already proven wrong opinion!
>He is heckin mad!!!
>Im about to get so much reddit karma!!!
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>>2174162
please Korea-tefl anon, how could I get your job today?
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>>2176757
Absolute cope. By all means go ahead and look for online or on-site TEFL opportunities as every school is trying to find ways to give pay cuts and qualified folks are resorting to joining what used to be your own avenues of work. I could not care less. I was only giving classes when doing my joint PhD, now i'm working an industry job and i'm one year away from getting permanent residency in Taiwan. I honestly wish you success in your endeavors. I'm just saying it is going to be tough.

Theres a reason why the guy im quoting couldnt get the job with those kind of credentials. The market is full of people with yeard of experience who do not want to go back home.
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>>2175098
Any idea if the pay is enough for a decent living though?
From what I know most of Latin America pays poorly even for local prices
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>>2177023
First, why do you want to live there?
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>>2177216
Food and culture, both are attractive to me, not the kpop side though, the rest
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>>2176471
The market is a bit flooded these days. The bare minimum to get a uni job in Korea is a BA, an MA, and a reputable TEFL degree (like the CELTA). You also need an edge, like teaching experience in Korea (hagwons don't count), uni experience in a different country, conference speaking experience, a friend on the inside (don't worry anon, I'm your guy), etc. You should also already be in the country. Unis usually ignore overseas applicants. But all this applies mainly to Korea. Japan is even tougher to break into right now. The job market is way over saturated. I have a friend who has lived there for ten years, got his MA, has a wife and kids, and still can only get part time uni gigs.
>>2177023
Come to Korea through the EPIK program and see how you like living and working in Korea. Teaching at an elementary school is pretty fun, and you get good working hours and benefits. Once you're in the country and have your foot in the door, you can start working towards a uni job. But if you want a uni job *literally* today, forge a PhD diploma and start applying to jobs.
>>2176454
It really is the dream. I enjoy what I do, my students are courteous and respectful, I have free time for my hobbies, and I never get tired of experiencing all Korea has to offer. If you have an MA already, you can try applying to uni jobs now from your home country. But you'll probably have better luck if you come here and work at a public elementary school for a year or two while you apply. During that time go to as many English teaching conferences as you can and rub shoulders with everyone you meet. That's how I met my current boss and got an interview.
>>2174688
Students currently enrolled? Nah. Students formerly enrolled? Well. I'll just say it's not difficult to meet extremely attractive Korean women and take them home with you if you're decent looking, charming, and know how to treat a lady.
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>>2177412
Much thanks anon for being my in, nearing 30 though so not sure if EPIK is worth it for me, but the insight i invaluable and I'm happy for you. I'll take my MA, consider a CELTA and def glance at some of the openings
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>>2177412
Shut the fuck up with your MA is needed shit. You're such a faggot.
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>>2177023
It's practically impossible now. Everybody wants those jobs. The market in Korea (and most of Asia) is flooded.
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>>2177412
This absolutely screams of honeymoon stage.

How many years have you been there? how old are you? how much are you actually saving per month?

It really isn't the dream when you're in your 30's, all of your friends have moved back home, you have no pension / 401k, you're still doing the same shit for the same 2.1 million won salary and a concrete box apartment.

The longer you stay and keep your head in the sand the worse it gets. I remember meeting some poor poor fuckers in Korea who have been TEFLing for 8+ years and they were done with it all.
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>>2177701
That's why he keeps saying bullshit like you need an MA and a celta to do TEFL. He is coping because he pigeonholed himself into a career of ESL. He wants to make it seem like all the retarded stuff he did was necessary, when it wasn't at all. People can get into ESL with an online TEFL and any bachelors. You're not going to be the first choice of employers, but its not impossible like he continues to state. The retard even says to forge a PhD. That should tell you how bad all of his advice is.
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>>2177421
Good luck!
>>2177424
I see you!
>>2177701
10+ years, in my mid 30s. I have a pension, a good salary that allows me to save money, local friends, and I live in a 2 bedroom apartment by myself with an ocean view. I also love teaching, and as someone who was a teacher in the US before coming to Korea, I much prefer teaching here. But thanks for worrying, anon. Not everyone fits the mold back home. I guess I'm one of them.
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>>2177770
Fair enough then man, glad it's working out. I just hope by save money, it's something meaningful so that you're actually able to retire.

If you're blowing everything but $100 left each month then you may be in for a tough time. I'm not sure how Ageist Asia is in regards to teaching but something to consider too.

I'm only bringing all these things up because it's things I all considered as I was gonna quit my well paid wage cage profession for and decided against it, basically choosing money over everything else.

How has the way you've been treated changed over those 10 years? I always thought it's kinda shit how you'll never be fully accepted no matter how long you're there for.
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>>2177774
I hear ya. Saving money is good advice, and something I always keep in mind. When I was a teacher in the US I couldn't save any money. I'm able to save a lot in Korea tho. It also helps that the cost of living is cheaper here for me (coming from California, that's not saying much). I could definitely be earning more if I returned to the US, but I see my friends and family there toiling away in suburbia and I just don't want that life. It ain't for me. And yeah, I'll never be Korean. I'll always be American. That doesn't mean people here are rude to me. Koreans are real open to foreigners these days, and if you take the time to get to know them and share their hobbies, they'll welcome you into their circles. For example, I do kendo with a bunch of old boys, and after smashing each other with wooden swords all night we'll get smashed on soju together. It's good fun.
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>>2171518

If you're looking for somewhere comfy AND an opportunity to make money, consider Taiwan. I had a pretty good situation there while I was teaching but after a year I was ready to get on with my life.

There's a ton of options if you're not interested in teaching in Taipei itself. I knew a few people who opted for Kaohsiung or Tainan and loved it. Furthermore, most of these jokers were teaching private classes on the side and were able to save to up stay long-term.
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>>2177782
Can you email me? oliverstassi@gmail.com
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>>2177881
This. If you moonlight online or private you can get a save up a shit ton of money.

A lot of them also had some event making side hustles too.
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>>2177900

One of the lady teachers I taught alongside got hired to be a floor model for expos whenever they came through town. I guess being a photogenic redhead with bright green eyes is advantageous
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>>2177905
There's other shit you can do, online translating gigs, copywriting, etc.
Fuck, I suspect there might be a growing market for vlogging in taiwan as time goes by and more people are aware of the country. Don't prozzie (what a retarded name) and lifeintaiwan hog all the glory, especially since they're insipid as fuck and have the most retarded of takes
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Would it be easy to get employed in China if I knew Mandarin and was Asian? What's the cost of living like there?
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>>2178520
Would it be easy to get employed in the US if I knew english ? Kek
Being asian only helps if you pass as Han. Otherwise well, it ain't easy for you.

Cost of living varies wildly depending on tier of city which will condition your rent and salary. The cool thing about china is that everything is extremely compressible. I suggest you do some research on the cities you're planning to live in. China is nearly as big as Europe.
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Check out the UESTC-Glasgow in Chengdu. If you’re qualified, you can get yourself a very comfy job, make good money, and live in one of the coolest cities in China. Just don’t let them talk you into living near the new campus, it’s nice for a walk but out in the middle of nowhere.





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