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Anyone whos visited or lives there please describe what its like? What are the girls like?
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It feels American but also like some third world tourist country at the same time.

The natives are uhh big people. Most of the people in Hawaii are of asian descent however, Japanese or Filipino usually.
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Its got like sand and tourists. Lots of asian people. The food is really good. Its hot there but maybe not as hot as you think. Surfing is pretty big there and the main way people commute to work.
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>>2121039
>meet racist hawaiian
>talks about how foreigner fucked up his island
>turns out he isn't even a native

many cases.
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>>2121091
>Surfing is the main way people commute to work
I had a good chuckle.

We open store at a 11? Nah Brah. We no work today. Big em surf stay on da Northside.
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I used to live in Hawaii right after college. It’s great for hiking, and going to the beaches since all beaches are open to the public. Outside of that it’s not a place to live.
>Everyone and everything runs on “Island time” which means it’ll be 45-90 minutes late no matter what.
>Japanese and Brazilian girls there are extremely easy since they all want to stay in Hawaii indefinitely and will try to use you as a way to do that.
>local girls will only like you if you’re local
>Plus side is almost no black people except for near US military locations
>absolute shit ton of meth heads and druggies all over the place
>homelessness is always a problem since states across the US fly their homeless to Hawaii on one way tickets or bums lose their job and can’t afford to live or leave
>driving is a nightmare and talks forever to get anywhere
>Asian food and macaroni salads are great
Overall Hawaii is a paradise trap. Too nice to leave, too shitty to stay.
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>>2121146
>>driving is a nightmare and talks forever to get anywhere
>Asian granny doing 30 in a 55 until she makes a no blinker left turn
Fucking hate that shit
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How bad are the roaches? How annoying are the natives? How shit is the internet?
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>>2121152
Oh fug I forgot that part about roaches. Those fuckers are huge and everywhere. The nicest places have them too. They usually come up through the shower drains and they fucking fly (at you).
I was dating this Japanese girl living in a massive tower near downtown and she lived on a high floor. The nights with the windows open viewing the ocean and warm air was perfect. Felt like I was in an 80s movie. Anyway, went to the bathroom one night and had roaches in her bathtub come up from the drain.
Natives are fine if you avoid them. They are hilariously open borders left wing idiots while at the same time complain there are too many people moving to the island.
Internet for normal things is ok. Internet for gaming is absolute dogshit
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>>2121039
One of the best spots for tinder in the US
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>>2121039
I had a job there for one year, maybe to short to really speak for locals but it's like going back in time to the 90s in a lot of ways, also people there want to live simple lives without chasing fortune and fame which is refreshing to see, people working at hotels and stores are fine with their life cause their life outside with their family is usually on good terms that they don't care if they're life is simple, people who don't ussually leave if that's the case
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The Good
>weather
>restaurants
>surfing
>if you dress somewhat formal girls will be all over you

The Bad
>it's like ultra Commiefornia in terms of politics
>crawling with geriatrics and homeless bums
>most expensive place to live
>native Hawaiians are tubby assholes
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>>2121039
honolulu is god awful expensive, fuck that place, there are way better cities with cheaper prices in the mainland
>t.filipino immigrant who now lives in tampa
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>>2121260
it's commiefornia but without blacks and jews so no skid row or violent crime/random street shitting
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A little about me: Florida born and raised, moved to Seattle after college, moved to Hawaii after I got tired of seasons that don't begin with "s." All told, I hadn't been back to Florida for almost a decade until earlier this year when I came home to catch up with family and to cheer on TB12 and the Buccs. And I gotta say...

I have really taken not having to deal with nogs and "undocumented" people for granted. True, the politics in Hawaii (and especially Seattle, but we're not talking about WA right now) can be insufferable but when you're not dealing with "diversity" every day it's easy enough to just roll your eyes and move on with your life.

In five years of living in Waikiki the worst thing I've had to deal with is some aggressive panhandlers and some butt hurt natives being passive aggressive about the whole "being colonized and annexed by a superior tribe" thing.

All told, this is a very small price to pay for waking up in paradise every day, having my pick of horny Asian QTs and tourist thots, and, I cannot stress this enough: rarely having to deal with, or even see, nogs, and never in numbers.

If you like the ocean/being outside, you really cant beat it. The water is always warm enough to swim, even in winter, and this is the only stare on the union with hiking trails/camp sites/natural beauty that be said to rival the SW/Utah or the PNW. Cost of living can be expensive, but getting your local ID and a Costco membership helps a lot with this. Also, if you're into hunting and fishing you don't need a license for saltwater fishing here, and you can literally take as many feral boar as you want.

tl;dr: Do you like cute girls and being outside? Can you embrace the aloha? If you answered "yes and yes" you need to get here *now.* PROTIP: moving shit here can be expensive, so if you're in your early/mid 20s strongly consider selling everything you don't need, and absolutely no more than what you can fit in a studio apartment.
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>>2121091
>Surfing is pretty big there and the main way people commute to work.
kek
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>>2121305
It's methed up Puna hippies. They paint shitty mandala murals and have raggy clothes and prayer flag scarves, but they will stomp your ass over $20 and steal from each other constantly. Tons of abusive relationships, bastard children, begging, boozing, drugs, and stray animals. Basically you can live in a tarp tent and shit in a hole and you'll still be chilling since it's 72 and breezy year round so they can get away with being absolute scum.
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>>2121526
Fuck it sounds like heaven, man am I envious of you. How do they treat white people over there? I'm UK trying to get away from this shitheap before it gets even more overrun by nogs and live a peaceful life.
Everyday I wake up cold as ice look out of my window and its either raining or miserable I die a little more inside, the people aren't much better. Hawaii just seems like the best place to be. I'm early 20's have about $150k in savings, how long do you think that could cover living expenses for? I'd probably try and get a job but I dunno how to hell you're meant to immigrate without boning a chick and getting a visa so if you have any tips would be appreciated.
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>>2121569
You have $149k more than the average Hawaiian. Time to go is now.
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>>2121569
>How do they treat white people over there?
Clueless haole mouth-breather tourist being obnoxious, ignorant, and bumbling around with a dumb fucking look on their face? You'll catch some shit/get ripped off. Beach-tent hippie? Faka gon catch lick bumbai, bruddah. Normal ass motherfucker who embraces the aloha? Welcome to the ohana. Moving to Hawaii will, in many ways, feel very familiar to anyone who grew up on the mainland, but in as many other ways, it'll feel like you're moving to another country, because in many ways you kinda are. Don't act like a tourist, and people won't treat you like a tourist. Also, people are slow to make ties with newcomers because so many people come, realize Hawaii isn't for them, and leave a year later. Get your local ID. Get an 808 #. Shit says a lot without saying a lot.

>How long will $150 in savings last
I live in Waikiki and rent (1BR), utilities, bills, and groceries costs me around $1800 a month. Rent is actually not that bad... if you're looking for studios or 1BR.

A lot of the best, most fun things to do are free/dirt cheap. Invest in a kayak and a surfboard once you get here, and thank me later.

>I'd probably try and get a job
Have any skills or credentials? Pretty much required to get a work visa. In Hawaii who you know is very important when it comes to many things, especially job-hunting.

>immigrate without boning a chick
American girls love that UK accent, bruv. Also, my knowledge of UK to US visa policy is hardly encyclopedic, but I'm pretty sure you can stay for 90 days without a hassle, catch a flight to Japan for a week, and come right back for another 90.

My advice? Get here, see how you like it. Let life happen. See who you meet. See what you love. Plenty of places on Waikiki and Pearl City you can rent for a month or two at a time.

Also, Oahu has a *fire* FGC and Warhammer scene, if you're into either of those things.
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Worth buying a summer apartment there?

How about raising family? Are public schools shit, if so are there good private ones?

How's medical situation? Still as fucked as on the mainland or even more expensive?

What's the least fucked place in case of tsunami, earthquake, volcano?

Ty
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How 's Hilo & Big Island like in general?
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>>2121526
Can I ask what the people there are like?

Either 1. Students
or 2. Long term expats

From Euro perspective, it seems like an amazing place to live.
First world + amazing island with beautiful nature, and apparantely girls too.
But... the univeristy is bad, and cant imagine many large companies there. So like every paradise place, its shitty for business... Correct?
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Do the Japanese there speak Japanese? Is there a way to create a Japanese immersion environment? I need something while waiting for Nippon to open.
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>>2122096
>Worth buying a summer apartment there?
If you're balling like that, go for it, but might as well just live here full time.

>How about raising a family?
Excellent. You're living on an island with a very family oriented culture, where everybody knows, or at least knows someone who knows, everybody else. Same reason I've always limited my fuckboi shit to tourists.

>Are public schools shit
So people say, but however bad they allegedly are, there's basically no nogs or spics, so points for that. There are private schools, and they're quite good.

>How's medical situation
Actually quite good. Turns out people who make enough money to live anywhere tend to choose paradise.

>What's the least fucked place in case of an act of God
Big island is the only island with an active volcano. You need to not worry about this shit and live your life.

>>2122122
Big. Beautiful. Sparsely populated. Air quality is shit because of the volcano.

>>2122178
Depends on the person. What I tell people is "act like a tourist, get treated like a tourist." If you're coming here to embrace the aloha and live long term, you'll fit right in. If you make it obvious through words and actions you're here for a good time, not a long time, people will treat you accordingly.

>>2122182
Japanese is pretty common, actually, depending on neighborhood.
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>>2122182
imagine being this much of a fucking weeb
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>>2122596
What I mean is, are there any highly motivated people, or have they all packed their bags to the mainland.
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>>2122788
>highly motivated
easy there brudda, that's not very "aloha" of you
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>>2122788
Define "highly motivated."
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Man, I am thinking of eventually moving to Hawaii, I'm a pilot and fly there fairly often to work and it's pretty nice. But the lefty covid fear monger element and homeless problem kind of kills it for me. The huge income tax is also a bummer. But the price to pay for no nogs might be worth it compared to here, where I live in Vegas.
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>>2123006
Fuuuuuuuaaaaaaack nogs have ruined Vegas now?
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>>2123006
Natives are worse about "respecting my culture, man" than blacks are. They get really pissy and really don't like whiteys.
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>>2121770
Let's say I'm 28, $800k net worth, with about half that liquid, and I've been doing software engineering for 5 years with a CS degree.

I want to quit software engineering and land in hawaii and get into doing literally anything else, including serving up pina colodas on the beach. How possible is that? I figure local software gigs won't pay enough to interest me ($150k+)
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>>2123030
To be fair to Hawaiian natives and their grievances, they actually have a leg to stand on. They're also pretty chill if you're kamaaina. Most importantly, they're not a race of pathologically violent criminals.

>>2123006
>lefty covid fear monger element and homeless problem
Maybe it's because I came to Hawaii from Seattle, but the homeless problem isn't *that* bad. Either way, this is one of those pills you have to swallow if you wanna live anywhere worth living; remember, the reason these libcucks are able to have such rosey-hued ideas about black people is because they don't have to deal with them every day.

I dunno. Maybe it's just me, but these are just things I'm happy to deal with if it means I'm surrounded by white and Asian QTs, and don't have to deal with nogs and spics.

>>2123048
You have enough money to buy a house on Oahu outright. Congrats, you've won, my dude. My advice? Get an apartment in/near Waikiki for a year, get some bullshit do nothing job, and see if you like the island life. If you do, start house shopping.

I haven't been a wage slave since I left Seattle. Brought my boat from Seattle, bought the house I live in pretty much as soon as I arrived, and bought another house I just rent out about a year later. My income from being a vacation landlord takes care of the bills and then some, and I occasionally do scuba/fishing/whatever charters, but only because I want to.

I only do what I want to do, anons. You can't put a price on that kind of freedom. To wit, when people ask me about "pros and cons" of living in Hawaii I don't really know how to react, like I surf every morning and never have to deal with nogs. Maybe it's just me but the debate ends there.

>pina colodas
Brah we drink Mai Tais in the 808.
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>>2123084
>I surf every morning and never have to deal with nogs. Maybe it's just me but the debate ends there.
It does end there. This is based as hell

>>2123084
>Brah we drink Mai Tais in the 808.
Dang I gotta say I do prefer a pina to a mai tai, but I'm sure I'd find something.

I certainly wouldn't hop straight into buying a property, so I think scouting out via a rental is the right approach.

Is picking up a do-nothing job pretty straightforward once you're on the ground and socializing? I could keep my remote tech job, but I'd be STARTING my day at 5am kek
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>>2123025
There's been nogs in Vegas since there's been casinos in Vegas. The city used to be highly segregated, there even was a "black strip." Now that's long gone and the area is a wasteland but there's a ton of them both visitors and locals and I think the legal weed brought even more.
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>>2123084
Any ideas on neighborhoods to look at that won't get you hassled by the natives and micronesians?
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>>2122911
highly motivated as in young smart people motivated to start ventures.

Basically, will I only find retirees, hippies and lethargic locals? Im worried cause they have no good university so all the smart people probably leave for the mainland (same as Obama btw)
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>>2123204
It seems like a place where you either have rich parents and no need to hustle, you make it and then move there, you just get trapped working some service/tourism gig, or you peace out to the mainland.

I know at least 3 people from HI working in tech and not in HI. The end goal is to potentially afford moving back, because even working remotely from there is going to have the caveat of waking up early as hell if you want to work mainland hours.

That said, I've never been so I only have my anecdotes and amateur analysis.
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Hawaii is a military occupied independent kingdom. And you're wondering why the locals hate white people? Are you dense?
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>>2123308
Exactly, thats what im afraid of.

>you make it and then move there
this would be me, but im worried that category is quite small, significantly older than me, and closed off/hard to make friends with.
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>>2123345
>Exactly, thats what im afraid of.
Ya I think you'd be smart to get a scouting report from someone actually there, but I'd use conservative assumptions like the ones I stated.

Another route is to look for other young people that (semi) made it or are digital nomading to go with you.

That's what I was doing when planning to go to another country before covid delayed the idea. I had a few other guys interested in splitting a house and/or working on some potential business.
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>>2123351
>Another route is to look for other young people that (semi) made it or are digital nomading to go with you.

I was hoping I could make my (poor) childhood friends from the neighborhood to this point, but didnt work out.
Don't know anyone that lives that life, I really am succesful just by being alone and grinding behind my PC for a long time lol.

Maybe I'll start meeting those as I travel, hopefully, but so far I've met a lot of 'fakers' so to speak.

But that is definitely the most realistic route for what im looking for. thanks
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>>2123092
>Is picking up a do-nothing job pretty straightforward once you're on the ground and socializing?
Yes, but that last part is key: you need to put effort into making connections and show that you're serious about staying here long term. For obvious reasons people are hesitant to invest in/make meaningful relationships with tourists and/or people who will be gone in a year.

I believe I touched on this briefly before, but when it comes to finding a good set-up in Hawaii who you know is just as important as what you know, and arguably more so.

>>2123179
Literally any. The shade natives throw is not the same as the shade nogs throw. Natives are triggered by people treating the place they live like it's a theme park; not much in the way of people sitting around looking for reasons to fuck with white people, but by the same token, these people are not at all shy about telling Karen and her dumb fucking kids to fuck off and eat a dick. This
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCFA3Y3dKkI
comes to mind.

>>2123204
>young smart people motivated to start ventures
Not much in the way of people trying to develop the next big app, but there's a surprising amount of hustle among those born and raised who aren't inclined to leave, but don't want to work in tourism. Lots of entrepreneurs, lots of creative types. Lots of untapped potential in general. The motivations and whys are likely not what you're used to; not many people are driven to escape paradise, but many people are motivated to buy a house for their family, start a business for their family, make their mark, ya know? Like, not to toot my own horn, but I'm a simple man, I like the ocean and pussy, so I became a charter captain. Having said all that, from a cultural perspective, there's not much of a "keeping up with the Joneses" vibe here, and there's definitely a lot of retirees, hippies, and beach bums. Then again, nobody really dreams of retiring to Minneapolis.

MOAR TO FOLLOW 1/2
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>>2123363
What kind of ventures are you trying to startup?
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2/2

>>2123326
I mean, this. Hawaii never asked to be a state, and benefits very little from it's statehood; Hawaii is easily, hilariously capable of sustaining itself, and it would not at all surprise me if Hawaii secedes from the union in my lifetime.

>>2123345
>closed off/hard to make friends with
So, Seattle is somewhat infamous for the "Seattle Freeze." If you aren't familiar with the term, Seattlelites are known for being notoriously up their own ass and hard to connect with. They absolutely deserve this reputation.

Hawaii isn't like that. You absolutely have to put the effort in to be a part of the community, but the effort is rewarded, and people don't take some weird pride in being hard to know. I've said it before, I'll say it again: act like a tourist, get treated like a tourist. Act like a local, get treated like a local. People here also don't get weird about strangers making conversation; you can make a lot of friends by approaching people who are out doing the things you enjoy doing. If you're open, people will notice and react accordingly.

So, you're pretty loaded. You can get a studio or 1BR in Waikiki for around $1200/mth, easy. Add in utilities, bills, groceries, let's just round up to $2000, err on the side of excess, eh? So... that's $24000 USD for a year of getting your bearings. For someone with $400K sitting in savings that ain't shit to invest in (worst case) an amazing vacation or (best case) the first chapter of the rest of your life.

Worry less, do more, embrace the aloha, and get the fuck over here, brah!

>>2123363
Everyone wants to be rich, few want to put the work in. Go forth, and find like-minded souls. If the people you grew up with are that far behind you, what makes you think that'll change?
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>>2123424
>You can get a studio or 1BR in Waikiki for around $1200/mth, easy.
Where are you browsing for these rates? FB groups, zillow, craigslist, other?
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>>2123411
>I like the ocean and pussy, so I became a charter captain
Also glad you got into something like being a charter captain. that sounds amazing.

Did you sort out training and shit upon arrival in HI?
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>>2123412
>What kind of ventures are you trying to startup?
It's not per se what im trying to startup, more that I want friends that are also doing cool stuff.
But rough ballpark, hedge fund/NGO, probably about green energy.

>>2123411
Thanks, that was helpful. Only thing I didnt get is 'not much of a keeping up with the joneses vibe' as im European, and google didnt make me much smarter.
You seem to have a great life over there, I'm happy for you. Who knows if I make it there one day I'll happen to have a beer with you at some beach bar.

>>2123424
>You absolutely have to put the effort in to be a part of the community, but the effort is rewarded. People here also don't get weird about strangers making conversation; you can make a lot of friends by approaching people who are out doing the things you enjoy doing. If you're open, people will notice and react accordingly.

Thats reassuring actually, cool.

>Everyone wants to be rich, few want to put the work in. Go forth, and find like-minded souls. If the people you grew up with are that far behind you, what makes you think that'll change?
I don't think that'll change. I tried though. It's a little sad, I got scammed by American movies pretending you just keep being friends with your childhood friends forever.

Thanks buddy, you've given me some things to think about. This is the good stuff of /trv/
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>>2123472
Keeping up with the Joneses means materialistic competition. "The Jonses" refers to an average American family of the professional-managerial class. To keep up with them means if your neighbor or coworker buys a Tesla you feel compelled to buy one as well so people think of you as being at least as successful as he. Of course not everyone will care what others think about them but Hawaii has less of this social pressure in the first place.
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>>2123486
Got it. Thats good to hear.
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>>2123472
>I got scammed by American movies pretending you just keep being friends with your childhood friends forever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZiiypkTNLs
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I'm trying to Hawaii-pill myself, but that real estate is seriously expensive. Not sure I have enough saved up from my career here in the mainland
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>>2123497
Thanks, comforting.
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>>2121305
Most of the homeless people I see shitting on the streets in California are <white>. Actually now that I think about, almost every homeless person is white. Maybe if we get rid of white people then the homeless problem will go away
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Hawaii is pretty based, I love how racist the natives are to haoles. It's great to watch whites get a taste of their own medicine. I haven't had any issues here as I'm a local and part of the community. Whites fuck off we are full

t. Black anon
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>>2123437
Google maps something you wanna live close to, click "nearby" and search "apartments." And, ya know, the various sites you mentioned, but I find really good deals on my own by doing a little legwork all the time.

>>2123446
I've been on ships my entire life, bought my own boat in Seattle, and sailed to Oahu myself. Had never been there before, just woke up one day and was like "I hate my job, I miss surfing... what do" got hit in the head with a hell of a light bulb and proceeded to just say "fuck it" and go. Loaded up what I felt like keeping from my apartment, sold/gave away everything else, and put the mainland to my rudder.

HOWEVER if you're asking for you own sake, I'll say that Hawaii is one of *the best* places/communities to get your sea legs. Skippers are always looking for new hands.

>>2123472
>green energy
Hawaii is legit the best place in the US if you're trying to get in on that action; we're anticipated to be 100% green by 2040. Solar, hydro, wind, geo, we got it all; I meant it when I said Hawaii *does not need the union.*

>Thanks, that was helpful
Anytime, brah.

>Only thing I didnt get is
My bad, let me rephrase: "wealth" is more of an abstract concept here relative to most places in the US; people aren't really in a constant pissing match with each other when it comes to possessions. "Success" is measured more in one's quality of life. I dunno. It's hard to explain, but you'll understand very quickly when you arrive.

>Thats reassuring actually, cool
Again, any time. Are people a little guarded at first? Sure. Do some of them have a chip on their shoulder when it comes to haoles? Absolutely... but almost everyone is willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. There's a saying, "people move to Hawaii to from something, or to something" for me it was both. If you're looking for a big change, eyes to the horizon, but feet on the ground, I emphatically recommend Hawaii.
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>>2123486
Perfect explanation. This anon nailed it. To add to this, let's take a house. In Florida, Washington, and I would hazard a guess most places in the US, the saying goes "location, location, location" it's not enough to own a house. Has to be a house in the best neighborhood. Does your neighbor have a pool? Better call up a contractor and get an estimate, don't want your wife to think you're a failure. Oh shit, dude just bought a Tesla!? (stealing your name drop) Better trade in the Nissan Rogue... I mean shit, it's only 80K more miles to 100K anyway...

Whereas... in Hawaii it's enough that you own a house. A house is a place to sleep, store your shit, raise a family, and one day, something to pass on to your kids, and their kids, and so on. The idea of a "starter home" is, for many reasons, something of a non-sequitur in Hawaii.

The tl;dr: is, on an island, especially an island whose inhabitants *very much* care about it's eco-preservation, land is at a premium. It's enough to just have a place to call your own, to host get togethers, for yourself and those who come after...

I've mentioned family a lot ITT, and bruddahs... "ohana" is some real shit. Fun fact: HI has one of the lowest divorce rates in the country, part of it is probably because of how well our pyramid of needs are met, how much Vitamin D we get, but a *big* part of it is ohana; among residents as a whole, but especially Asians/Polynesians, and *especially* natives family is a sacred concept, and divorce is, dare I say, taboo. Marriage, parenthood, blood ties are taken very seriously. Why bring this up? I figured I'd share because, again, maybe just me, but the idea of getting married used to scare the shit out of me, but then you meet a beautiful, feminine, traditional wahine, and... shit makes sense...

Sorry, I digress. I seriously fucking love Hawaii.
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>>2123498
$200K will get your foot in the door for a lot of options. Worst case scenario you can always move here, rent, and save... which I promise you is much easier than you've probably heard. One of my friends got a 2BR with another friend, just worked his ass off for two years, didn't spend too much money on dumb shit (soooo much of the best shit to do here is free, and /v/ and /fit/ are cheap hobbies anywhere) and just bought a house a few months ago. It can be done.

>>2123582
>Implying natives don't hate blacks as much as the rest of us
Ask me how I know you've never been here.

>>2121305
>commiefornia
There's definitely a noticeable sub-culture of the worst kind of libcuck white here... but, here's the thing; less than 20% of Honolulu, for example, is white, so you're talking a minority of less than a fifth of the population. I've mentioned a few times how amazing it is not having to deal with people who can't breathe, but I've been remiss in emphasizing how fucking based it is to be able to live my life and not give the hashtag squad the time of day.
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>>2121569
To live a normal middle class life it takes about $150k per year. Waitresses make $120k btw
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>>2123766
>less than 20% of Honolulu, for example, is white
Absolute nope.
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>>2123784
What's wrong with that?
Most minorities I know are chill whereas all the white people I know are belligerent pseudo/pol/-tards or 'woke' cronenberg banshees. I don't know any African Americans though, mostly Asians.
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>>2121526
How much were you spending per month in total anon?
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>>2123084
do u creampie the thots?
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American niggers please give back Hawaii to it's native people
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>>2123812
At this rate I think most, rational Hawaiians would prefer to be part of the most powerful nation on Earth (that benefits from government spending, military protection and it’s economic system) than risk being apart from it. Also China. That said yeah it never should’ve been taken but what can you do about the past?
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>>2123830
>>2123812
>sells your island to a businessman for some shiny beads
>angry about it centuries later.
I honestly wish Hawaii would've been colonized by Russia or Japan instead. They would've genocided the local population within a week and we'd never have to hear about Uncle Puauauahhaauaa's magic story of how the White man was evil.
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>>2123830
China isn't going to take over Hawaii you dumb mutt. No nation is. When's the last time you heard of a country invading some Polynesian island?
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>>2123812

They ain't getting shit. They never surpassed the fucking Bronze Age and regularly impair themselves with a shit diet. They needed to be taken over, for their own good
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>>2123751
>>2123761
Super helpful man.
Im an overthinking bitch until im drunk, so I wont make the plunge like you have, but I will really consider it. Especially If my European alternatives turn out shitty.

You're a real one.

Last question: What island is best?

From a little research, I was gonna go with Maui as idk about moving to Hawaii only to move to Los Angeles 2.0 (Honolulu)
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As a participant in this thread over the past couple days, this has all been great and super useful.

One of the top TRV threads as of late.
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I think unless you REALLY like fishing or sailing you'll eventually regret it. It's just so remote if you get bored it's a long, expensive plane ride to anywhere else. Honolulu might be a good way to satisfy yellow fever if you can put up with the expense, politics, and traffic. In some places you could pretend you're in Tokyo for all the Japanese.
I guess if I had to 'pick one' it'd be Maui.
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>>2124002
>I think unless you REALLY like fishing or sailing you'll eventually regret it.

free jap pussies to creampie
free fish
u can sleep on the beaches

wat is there to regret?
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>>2121262
So many more filipinos coming to Tampa. It's kinda nice. Do you guys really go to the westchase community center?

Filipinos are pretty rare in FL but I've had instances of 3 uber drivers being pinoy and matching a few on tinder.

My only other experience is living in PH for a bit.

They all enjoy meeting someoen who suffered living around PH and being in more places then they ever were.
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>>2123084
Anon, thank you. I was debating buying a house and integrating in Seattle for the longest time but after spending time in Bali this Christmas I may just check out Hawaii after new years.

t. lost job in Settle, have 2nd job already but still debating about being central in Seattle to make it happen if needbe. (at my best in Seattle I had 3 jobs at the same time lol)

Also grew up in Florida, Tampa area. But came there from way of NYC - though I consider myself Floridian.
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>>2124069
If you have the cash to be buying in Seattle, you sound potentially Hawaii-ready from what I'm hearing in this thread.
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Life without niggers is already paradise, the beach and mountains, and Japanese girls ready to be cream pied is just extra.
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>>2124066
>So many more filipinos coming to Tampa. It's kinda nice
Are the chicks coming too or just pinoys?
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Lived there for a few years. Very expensive. Racist shit isn't a problem, keep in mind you're on a board with literal Nazis.

Lifestyle is cool but it gets really old sharing a room when you're in your 30s. Buying a house there, you can get 3x your value in a state like Florida. Of course the surf isn't as good, but use that money you save to travel elsewhere and enjoy a comfortable lifestyle rather than constantly struggling.
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>>2124205
>use that money you save to travel elsewhere and enjoy a comfortable lifestyle rather than constantly struggling.
I think a big part of this thread is/was discussing how much an anon should save up before going.

$200k was on the low end. I think it'd still be tough at $600k, but at least not a dumb idea at that point. Also depends on how much income you can pull in on top of the lump sum.
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>>2124205
>Lived there for a few years.
Some more questions though:

1. What age did you go at? It sounds like late 20s. Did you bring a career with you or did you pickup some local gig/biz?

2. What came before Hawaii? What came after?

3. What was the initial motivation?
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>>2124209
Oh, I just skimmed the thread. I'll give some numbers. I was making $140k, I had $100k saved. I was able to qualify for a $750k mortgage, 15% down.

So if anon has a job, that's more than enough money to buy something. For a condo, that's easy. For a house.. it might be tough depending on the requirements.

>>2124211
I moved there when I was like 22. I got a job working as a server, did restaurant work for a while, and eventually was able to get IT work remotely. I lived in California before, in a shithole, that was the motivation. I'm in Florida now and I've been here for like 5 months. The people and culture aren't the same for sure. But I have a yard, animals, space for my mom to live. Bought a house here, definitely going to turn it into an Airbnb. Maybe try to go back to Hawaii if I can get another loan from a bank, who knows.

My point for OP is simply: it sucks dick being poor long term on Hawaii, so be careful about that. Landlords are complete scumbags there. It's like an inverse of the Ohana. I know a lot of people pushing 40 with roommates, coke addicts, etc. it's a wasteland out there. The main benefit is of course that you're not in California, Florida, etc. The American mindset isn't an all-pervasive thing there and the people are just better. If you're just 20 or whatever, go for it. I'm sure you can make it work.
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>>2124220
>For a condo, that's easy.
When you say it's easy for a condo, is that in a good area in/near Honolulu/somewhere with jobs or is that just in Hawaii somewhere?

>>2124220
>My point for OP is simply: it sucks dick being poor long term on Hawaii, so be careful about that.
This I can 100% agree on without having been there myself. It's an obvious trap if you're not coming in with bank or a means to make it.

G'damn I wish my parents would have moved from Ohio in the 80s or 90s when the US was a bit more even in terms of pricing.

Lastly, I can see how living in a shitty apartment in cali would motivate you. Thanks for sharing and it's interesting that you're keeping the return to Hawaii idea open!
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>>2123830
t. haole
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>>2123806
When I was in my 1BR just shy of $1800/mth on the essentials.

>>2123830
Hawaii does not need or want to be a state.

>>2123810
Asian girls are all about biting their lip while getting creampied, anon. It's hard to resist, not that I'm inclined to do so to begin with.

>>2123982
Anytime brah.

>What island is best?
It is impossible for me to answer that question without knowing you. My personal favorites are Oahu and Kauai; Oahu feels the most familiar, Kauai has some next level natural beauty; like that island takes an aggressive shit on Utah, and I do not say that lightly.

Maui is like two small towns and a fuck ton of farms and wilderness.

I'll give you the same advice I give everyone: move to Oahu first, get your bearings, and try out the other islands before you commit to moving to one.

>>2124002
>expensive plane ride to anywhere else
I've gotten round trip, nonstop tickets to Tokyo and Seoul for less than $300 before. Just saying. Flights to the West Coast and Vegas are pretty cheap, too.

>>2124069
After how Seattle handled, or more accurately, didn't handle, the riots/CHAZ debacle, I'll never humor investing in the area ever again. And yeah, as another anon mentioned if you can afford a house in/around Seattle, you can afford a house in Hawaii.

>>2124149
This.

>>2124205
>it gets really old sharing a room when you're in your 30s
Have you tried not failing at life?

>buying a house there, you can get 3x your value in a state like Florida
But then your problem is your house is in Florida. A bigger house? Sure. A more valuable house? No. Also, dindus and spics.
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>>2124317
>dindus and spics.
hawaiians are the same desu. even mexicans speak better english and are more civilized
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>>2123424
can you explain what it means to embrace the aloha?
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So clearly the locals are assholes wanting to kick whiteys ass. Will i get special treatment for being european and thus not the oppressor? Last thing i want is to get my bell rung by a samoan giant.
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>>2124392
You're still a haole lmao. And no one will give you shit unless you deserve it. It's not hard to not be an asshole.
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>>2123424
>Hawaii is easily, hilariously capable of sustaining itself
You’re an absolute retard
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>>2124340
>dindus and spics
>hawaiians are the same desu
Holy shit, just... no.
>even mexicans speak better english and are more civilized
Objectively false, and irrelevant. Furthermore, it's kind of funny you say this, because one of the motivating thoughts for me moving to Hawaii was "fuck it, if I'm going to feel like a minority/outsider in my own home, might as well live in a place where that actually makes sense." Fast-forward to today and the hilarious (sad?) irony is, despite being surrounded by people who look different from me, and by and large have different backgrounds than me, I can honestly say I have way more things in common with my neighbors than things I don't. 99% of people who live in Hawaii fall into two groups: 1. people who were born into the island life and 2. people who saw the island life and said "yeah, I'm all about this shit."

>>2124389
Just the idea that in Hawaii, some things are different, they're that way for a reason, and to go with it.

>>2124392
Hawaii has very low violent crime. Mainland identity politics is something of a non-sequitur here. Simply put: when you live in a place like this there's about a thousand things one has better to do than be salty for salt's sake. In over half a decade the worst I've gotten from a native is some good-natured ball-busting; as a wise anon put it "It's not hard to not be an asshole."

>>2124428
You have some counterpoints to make or... ? Hawaii can power itself, feed itself, handle itself. Defending itself would be a non-issue since it's strategic relevance has diminished with time, and ethnically speaking we're basically the Switzerland of the Pacific.
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>>2124472
>Hawaii can power itself, feed itself, handle itself.
Ok now I know this is horrible bait but in the rare case you are actually this retarded (most Hawaiians are retarded) here’s what you should know about your own state:
Hawaii’s energy is dominated by oil, 83% all of it is imported, 5% from coal (also imported) and 11% from renewables (equipment imported)
Hawaii imports 90% of its food.
Hawaii can’t even handle its drug and homeless issues, let alone actual issues like it’s shit roads filled with pot holes (which the state has a fund you can claim from if your tires or car gets fucked up by it).
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>>2124497
>(most Hawaiians are retarded)
I'm not a Hawaiian, I'm kamaaina.

>a bunch of shit you googled, with variable levels of citation needed
You'll notice a recurring word, and that word is "import." I'm not going to waste a whole lot of energy trying to enlighten someone who thinks he has all the answers about a people, place, and culture he is clearly unfamiliar with, yet paradoxically thinks he has all the answers for, but suffice to say Hawaiians aren't thrilled about the many ways they get fucked by the mainland. Look up the Jones act, that'll get you started. As for the hot garbage you said about energy, bruh, we could be 100% green as early as 2030. Drugs and homeless, funny you bring that up because those are some of the biggest imports for the mainland. You can have those back when we peace out, brah.

I'm not saying there would/should be an end to trade, or even freedom of movement (kind of like what the states has going on with Palau) but it's long since overdue for Hawaii to return to independence and sovereignty.

Suffice to say, if/when it does, there will be some adjustments and reforms, but, call me crazy, we've got the ocean, fertile volcanic soil and weather conditions that allow one to grow food year round and raise livestock; I think we can figure it the fuck out.

As far as the mainland homeless, while I personally advocate for throwing the junkies into the sea if they give any pushback, that's not very aloha, and I think a "prove birth, marriage, land ownership/lease, or get the fuck on out of here" policy is much more likely.

Hawaii, politically and culturally, is very blue, but also very practical and grounded; you ever wonder why we're dragging our feet with cannabis legalization? It's because the last thing we need is further motivation for mainland DUDE WEED dregs to come here and freeload.
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>>2124678
You literally said Hawaii cab power and feed itself when quite clearly I cannot. Retard. and do you honestly think you'll be spared once the mass kicking out happens? They won't give a fuck what you claim to be, kamaaina or not. It'll be just like Haitis revolution but live streamed and more hilarious.
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>>2124678
I'm coming to smoke a blunt at sunset; dude, weed lmao
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>>2121039

>All these retards pretending they've either lived here or will move in with their dick swinging and bang local girls

Every thread is filled with you dumb fakahs. This ain't Thailand bitch, auwe no come
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>>2124699
>You literally said
As opposed to figuratively?
>Hawaii cab power and feed itself
It absolutely, objectively can. Hawaii the state and Hawaii the sovereign, independent nation have two completely different sets of needs and burdens to address.

>do you honestly think you'll be spared once the mass kicking out happens?
I mean considering I'm established to the point of having family in the legal and hanai sense, yeah. You make a lot of judgments about people you know precisely dick about. In any case, I'm done debating with you, especially since we agree on one key point: you should definitely stay the fuck outta Hawaii.

>>2124720
Brah, he talk story on /trv/, AND he saw Moana. Fakah knows his shit.
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>>2124758
Lmao, I sold a few vacation rentals not long ago in Hawaii Kai. I still own a place that’s now sitting empty in Wahiawa. You are the one that doesn’t know shit. Typical retard islander.
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>>2124769
Nice larp.
>Wahiawa
Well yeah, this property, which totally exists, would be sitting empty since it's about as far as possible from the water as it gets with the added bonus of the constant presence of 25th ID fags.

But, come think of it, maybe there is some truth to all of this, it certainly makes a lot more sense why you're talking out of your ass so much. This place was never home for you, just somewhere to exploit. No wonder you can't stand it. It can't stand you.
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>>2123900
>I honestly wish Hawaii would've been colonized by Russia or Japan instead. They would've genocided the local population within a week
You're joking, right?
The US had much bigger propensity for genocide of native populations than Russia (where the vast majority of natives still live where they always were), Japan and many other countries combined.
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>>2121169
Switched location to Honolulu and it indeed works, although the overall quality of matches is still questionable.
(In the mainland US cities I was getting nothing or almost nothing, like most people)
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>>2125138
Back in the days of yore, before a 10/10, 19 y/o hapa (Jap/Russian) made an honest man out of me/forever skewed my standards way too high, I used Tinder quite a bit. Can confirm that Honolulu and Seattle are night and day, and Seattle wasn't that bad.

PROTIP: Between the day after Thanksgiving and the day before Valentine's Day is high season. That is to say, there's a veritable legion of DTF tourists on rotation.
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>>2124908
>native populations than Russia (where the vast majority of natives still live where they always were)

Not even remotely true, conquest of Siberia displaced almost all natives from the north pushing them further and further away from Russian settlements. It's a dark part of our history, not much talked about.

t. Russian in Siberia
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So, I grew up in Hawaii (Oahu), moved to the mainland after high school, and moved back.
The fact that a lot of the perspectives being offered in this thread are coming from people who are affecting a pidgin accent online should be addressed. By pidgin I mean, "braddah, fakka, scrap, etc." It's a local accent.

Pidgin is really charming when it's authentic but, it's typically a trait of a blue collar, lower income, not 4chan user, type of local. I was born and raised in Hawaii and I would never refer to myself as kamaaina. That shit is the corny type of shit that politicians do to ingratiate themselves with the locals. And I think anybody who actively cultivated a faux pidgin accent is head over heels in love with Hawaii so their advice might be a bit skewed.

If you're an attractive white guy with a boat who surfs yeah obviously you're going to love Hawaii. If you're more like the average 4chan user then you should visit here before you make a decision. But here's some salient points from my upbringing:

>Cost of living is one of the highest in the US. It's not just rent. Groceries are very expensive milk is 6 dollars a gallon. Eating out is more expensive. Everything is more expensive.
>Honolulu leans liberal like any major city. Though I do think the strong Asian influence has kept some of the more retarded identity politics at bay. I don't think you'll find anybody giving a shit about pronouns outside of the college campus.
>The beaches are really amazing.
>The whole state is gorgeous. Like, absurdly so, rainbows cresting above lush green valleys into the Waikiki skyline. Soft white sandy beaches full of tan exotic women from all over the world. Dolphins, humpback whales, coral reefs I could go on.
>People are pretty much the same as anywhere else on the planet. Most people go to work then spend a few hours running errands, or watching TV, or enjoying a hobby just like anywhere else.
1/2
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>>2125601
>Admittedly I grew up in a wealthier suburb of Honolulu, but I have never actually encountered anti white animosity to the point of violence or even inconvenience. If you're not looking for a fight you're not gonna find one in Hawaii.
>The homelessness is bad in the city. Most of the public parks are just tentcities. This is strictly anecdotal but I feel like I get harassed less by the homeless in Hawaii compared to the mainland though. The sunshine mellows them out maybe.
>Besides surfing and other ocean shit, I'm not sure if there's really any scene in Hawaii. Most cool bands aren't gonna play here. I'm not really plugged into the art scene but what I've seen in galleries is pretty generic and boring. there were raves and festivals when I was in high school idk about now. Most of the locals I know go to Vegas to really party.
>It's like Asia-lite
2/2
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Do I need to do a COVID test and all that jazz before I have to fly there or is that shit over now
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>>2126556
You do if you aren't vaxxed.
>>2125601
>Admittedly I grew up in a wealthier suburb of Honolulu
Hawaii Kai?

Also for anyone in the thread that is curious, here are some current gas prices.
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Can I show up as a skilless 30 year old white guy, get some shit job like shelf stocking, and just get a room to rent and take it from there? I really don’t want to go back to mainland America

I don’t care if the cost of living is high I’ll make do somehow but is what I’m saying remotely possible
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>>2125606
>Most of the public parks are just tentcities
Why is this allowed?
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>>2127149
I (D)on't know.
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Never been, but it seems that most of the problems with Hawaii are restricted to Oahu/Honolulu (Mostly due to having a million people on a 600mi2 island) with the other islands being either country club getaways for people with money, or rural dead-ends with pretty nature and no opportunity.

I love how the Big Island attracts so many retards and failures lured by the cheap land who end up leaving within a few years. Reminds me of the guys who buy desert acreage then realize there's no water, and that even if they pay for a well the unrestricted agricultural usage in the region will lower the water table and facilitate digging a deeper one...

I have a feeling that Hawaii is like New Zealand with its elite estate-bunker complexes and can only guess how they will liquidate the unvaxxed survivors in the near future.
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>>2127036
I paid that much in socal last week so not really shocking to me
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Hawaii anons, how is the job situation there? Europoor here, I'm not even looking for any career or something like that, I don't want to be rich. Just comfy dead-end that pays enough to keep me afloat and lets me enjoy one or two very basic and cheap hobbies.

>>2127112
Similar question as this anon.
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>>2121146
>Japanese and Brazilian girls there are extremely easy since they all want to stay in Hawaii indefinitely and will try to use you as a way to do that.
Hot
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>>2127676
Come ON Hawaii anons you were all aloha wakiki and SPEWING info earlier LETS GOOOOOO

I just wanna stock shelves and chill at the beach AHHHH
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>>2127696
I'm anon you are responding to. Spent around one hour by checking job offerings around Hawaii and it actually doesn't look bad at all. I'm securityfag and there are plenty of jobs in the field there, some even fairly well paid. Also seen some stock shelves tier jobs too. It looks bright, bro.
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>>2127696
There's a massive labor shortage, just show up and see if you can make it fgt. Lots of people do. Problem will affordable rent.
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>>2127698
Basssssssedddd
>>2127778
Oh yea oh yea ahhh ahhhhhh
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>>2127698
>>2127778
If I wanna do this should I start in “Oahu”?
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Thread theme
https://soundcloud.com/kaho_ss/hawaii
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I was on the big island back in 2007 and stopped to help some guys change their tire at night on the saddle road. They were laid back and very appreciative that someone finally stopped to help. Back in the car my wife was worried it was a setup to rob people, but I guess that's what comes from living in a major US city.
I guess if you want to live in Hawaii, try to go with an aim of giving more than you take, and try to be a good neighbor to everyone, since it's really a small world there.
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>>2127696
lol sorry anon, for the past few days and nights I've been on that boat I mentioned, and
>implying I have the means or inclination to check 4chan while I'm busy fishing/getting my girl pregnant
Literally just walked through the door, will respond in detail this afternoon. (Island time)
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>>2127915
Based and thank you
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>>2127788
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2019/04/16/hawaii-news/suspected-east-oahu-kidnapper-sexually-assaulted-choked-and-nearly-drowned-woman-police-say/amp/
>Police said the woman was driving her 2017 Honda Civic on Kalanianaole Highway on the night of April 3 when she struck a rock on the roadway.
>When she stopped her car, a man later identified as Joseph approached her, allegedly brandished a knife and told her “This is a robbery,” according to court documents released Monday that provide details on the kidnapping.
>The woman’s boyfriend reported to police he was on the phone with her when he suddenly heard a male’s voice and his girlfriend scream before “the telephone line cuts off.”
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Brahs your are slacking wtf
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Are the days of being able to travel around places like Hawaii as a europoor well and truly over with covid? I was going to be starting a family next year so wanted to do a winter pan asia incl hawaii trip for a couple of months.
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>>2128958
Are you vaccinated? If asia is open Hawaii will be open.





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