Come to Vietnam. It's very nice.
Hanoi or Saigon? What is better for living there for some months? Or both big enough that you will find everything there? Are there differences in the mentalities of the locals? More English speakers or young and attractive girls in one of the cities?How would a western white man be seen there? Is it like in the Philippines where being white is enough to be the ultimate chad? Or is it more like being the outsider looser because you don´t speak their language?How brainwashed are the people there by communist propaganda? Can I find educated people there who are reasonably intellectual?
How is the weather throughout the year? Does it ever get cold? Can I wear shorts and sandals all year? Or re there relevant differences between the north and the south?Are people in the south still pro west (if they ever have been at all) and people in the north all pro communism?
>>1989039Saigon is much more westernized, the people are more friendly towards foreigners, the nightlife is better, better restaurants and hotels, etc etc. Just look at it as Saigon is modernized and richer while Hanoi is more traditional and poorer, the only thing Hanoi is superior at is its more preserved culture so the attractions (ancient ruins, nice landscapes, old shrines and temples, etc etc) are better. The optimal thing if you even care about attractions is to stay in Hanoi for a few days, experience the stuff and then go to Saigon.>How brainwashed are the people there by communist propaganda? Can I find educated people there who are reasonably intellectual?>Are people in the south still pro west (if they ever have been at all) and people in the north all pro communism?Vietnam is one of the most capitalist friendly countries on earth, unironically. In terms of percentage they have more people supporting capitalism than the US (you can blame the woke culture on that), the only reason they still call themselves "communists" is because the one-party rule system is too comfy to get rid off. However, you might run into some communists in Hanoi if you talk openly about it but most people doesn't give a shit anymore, especially not in the south.
>>1989039Saigon is supposedly more of an international style city with more expats. Expats are scum so Hanoi is probably a nicer place to live. Hanoi supposedly has a more "authentic" Vietnamese character and people there are supposedly more traditionally-minded, but I'm just going off of stereotypes I've heard and they're probably about as true as regional stereotypes in any country.Western white men are either tourists or English teachers and aren't considered at all remarkable in the big cities. Given the typical behavior of expats here, it speaks to the serenity of the Vietnamese people that white people aren't treated with open contempt.>>1989042It's warm all year. The south has a dry season and a wet season and up north near Hanoi has four seasons but there's never true winter.Vietnam is a Marxist-Leninist state. I've never discussed politics or religion with the locals and I suggest you don't either. I'm a socialist, but I still keep my opinions to myself.
How is the food there? Is it suitable for westerners who are not ready to eat everything? I would prefer to eat no fish or meat at all.
>>1989059I will live in Vietnam for the winter months, starting in December. I will work an office job but also want to chill. Would Hanoi or HCMC be the better option? I want to have it comfy outside but I don´t want to be sweating on my office.I am absolutely unexperienced with living in a "tropical" country. Is it even tropical?What are typical prices for flights between the 2 big cities? What would a nice little (but basic) studio cost me and how much will I spend on food assuming that I will mostly eat out?
>>1989066Vietnam is a tropical country and probably the hottest, muggiest place I've ever been. Define "winter months." There are two monsoon seasons here, May to September and October to April, when it sometimes rains. Even during the rainy season it's still hot. I don't know what the weather is like in Hanoi.There is air conditioning here and it's the only way to survive. I work in an office where we often leave the air conditioners off in the rooms upstairs, and when I have to go up to use them I break into a sweat all over my body as soon as I'm up the stairs and that wall of stagnant heat hits me.
>>1989042If you go up into the mountains around hanoi, sometimes in the dead of winter it even goes below zero. Other than that it never gets cold, but it does get very wet in rainy season.>>1989063Used to be a french colony and that has influenced their cuisine. Baguettes are quite common there. Its about as easy to be vegeterian there as anywhere else.
>>1989059>Expats are scumWhy? What did expats ever do to you?
>>1989054Hanoi has better Bia. Saigon has the best iced coffee. FUCK I miss Vietnam, hope I can go back there.
>>1989208Amazing food, and nice to get bread and cakes, of good quality. The rainy season was crazy, got kind of a annoying.lol.
>>1989088>I work in an office How did you get your job there?
>>1989225Expats are typical arrogant westerners. Many come here and buy and sell illegal drugs and engage in prostitution. The English teaching industry in this county in particular is in shambles, rife with fraud, and attracts some of the worst people I've ever met in my life. I can count the number of good expats I've met here on one hand.
>>1989236Don't like drugs? Don't allow them in your country. Don't like hookers? Don't allow them on your country. How is this an expat problem? Sounds like you just hate White people doing what the locals have already been doing.
>>1989238Locals can't afford drugs and prostitutes. The average monthly income here is $148.
>>1989039>How would a western white man be seen there? Is it like in the Philippines where being white is enough to be the ultimate chad? Or is it more like being the outsider looser because you don´t speak their language?Judging from my experiments on Tinder, vietnamese girls are nowhere near as open to Euro men as girls in Thailand or Philippines
The Vietnam lifehack is actually to live in Da Nang and bang bored Korean roasties that show up there in large numbers daily. Take occasional trips to Saigon for partying, but come back to civilization (Da Nang). I would like to visit Dalat at some point too, can anyone redpill?
>>1989029>Come to Vietnam. It's very nice.I would like to, but it is closed and I don't want to endure a 21(!) day quarantine, which seems to be mandatory.
>>1989253>Locals can't afford drugs and prostitutes. >The average monthly income here is $148The larges consumers of drugs and prostitutes anywherewhere in SEA are the locals. They pay local prices for those goods.
>>1989262Viet girls are better in every way though and still get pretty good results in dating. Not as good as literal Minecraft on Creative like Thailand or Flipland but still much easier than in Europe.
>>1989283Da Lat was nice to visit for a weekend. Honestly, when I was in Vietnam I wish I had a motorcycle. Seems like the ideal way to explore. It was cool though.
I visited Vietnam in 2019. Would love to live there but I doubt I could tolerate the weather outside of winter. I hate hot weather.
>>1989310>Viet girls are better in every way thoughhow? what do you mean?>>1989310>still much easier than in Europecould you somehow describe what the standard is?
>>1989262Well if you're in Hanoi (or the northern part in general) where they are slightly more anti-western, tell them you're from Sweden
>>1989285It’s been back to 14 days for a while
Last time I went to Vietnam I went to Hanoi, Sapa, Ha Long Bay, Hanoi, Hue, Hoi An and HCMC.If I go back, I'm considering seeing Da Lat, Mui Ne, the delta, Phu Qoc and Maybe Nha Trang (although I've heard Nha Trang is kind of shit?)Any tips?
>>1989236I would just like to add that imported """English Teachers"""" are really just garbage all over the world. There is no quality control from the export companies or the importing governments and the barrier to entry is so low you get all the assholes using it as an easy way to escape to exotic locales and leave their shitty lives behind to LARP as characters in HBO dramas. There's still good people in those programs but in my experience it's just such a fucking crap shoot even after they made college degrees required. Fortunately most of the bad ones get filtered after years of living off poverty tier wages, getting too many women pregnant or deported.
>>1989390>tfw i would probably be a decent english teacher given my education and professional experience but would never teach for the wage it paysI ought to look into English language trade/custom jobs once the pandemic fucks off.
>>1989390>poverty tier wagesIsn't 1-2.5k USD a month a good salary by Vietnamese standards?
>>1989029Nice is an understatement. It’s fucking amazing not having to worry about covid bullshit.
>>1989532Only retarded boomers, libshits, and trannies care about covid. It's nothing but a scam
>>1989536>if i keep posting it, it will come true
>>1989541Yeah it’s pretty sad how many people on this board still think covid is fake or a scam, as if every country in the world is in on it as part of the “great reset” or some nonsense
>>1989059>I've never discussed politics or religion with the locals and I suggest you don't either. I'm a socialist, but I still keep my opinions to myself.same, tankies can fuck off and die
>>1989569>unironically using tankie in 2021this is just common sense chimp. go outside
>>1989029How's the process looking of going there within the next 2 years or so considering corona restrictions. My girlfriend and I are fully vaccinated and trying to go visit at some point.
>>1989029>white male>31>science background (trying to get into DNing)>plenty of money saved but would like to work>DO NOT want to teach english in some shitbag school dancing for children...way too old and educated for that>really like Da Nang, Khe Sahn and Dalat, have been all over Vietnam so know I like it>would like to ideally invest somehow either by real estate or a small business but no idea where to startGive me the hard truth on my odds of living the rest of my life in Vietnam. What visa would I need? I don't want to marry a Viet gook woman in order to live comfortably.
>>1989598>way too educated>racistCringe.
>>1989598FYI, there are schools that are looking for foreign science teachers.I'd look into some of the Korean schools who don't necessarily need you to teach English so much as justify their massive salaries.Oh, and don't let people like >>1989608stop you - racism is based as fuck, the local Vietnamese don't give a shit, and also fuck niggers.
What is the Vietnamese government like, how authoritarian are they? Are you allowed to talk shit about them without fear of repercussion? Is censorship that prominent? iirc some anon said he knew a woman who tried to set up an art complex in an abandoned building and it 'mysteriously' burnt down
>>1989651They're basically mini-China, they don't want people talking shit about their government because it would threaten the one-party rule system. There's a lot of censorship but it's still extremely rare that they would actually arrest you as a tourist for talking shit
>>1989651According to all the indexes published by NGOs, dealing with freedom of the press and so on, Vietnam is one of the 10 worst countries in the world. Even way behind China and even worse than poor ass African countries who have been under dictatorship for like forever.
>>1989627>racism is basedYeah I'm sure if they banned you from entering or lynched you based on your race you would quickly change your tune. Absolutely retarded.
>>1989383Major tip is to get a motorbike. You can really get out into the country side and surrounding areas of cities. Nha Trang is ok, but way better once you ride out of town.
>>1989651>>1989761>>1989803It may seem odd, but I feel like I have more freedom here than in the States. People talk shit about the police and some politics. In a lot of areas, there is a good amount of personal and economic freedom. Seems like most businesses are family owned, or at least there's a ton of them. Don't have the stranglehold of government regulations making it so only the corporations can stay in business. Conversely, drugs may yield the death penalty.
Are they noticeably lighter skin in the north or is the whole country about equally brown?
>>1989837I dont think you have the faintest clue what racism is or means.
>>1989383is Hue and Hoi An worth the trip?
>>1989966I stayed in Hue for 3 nights. It was more time than necessary. Don't go out of your way to see Hue unless you're going to De Nang/Hoi An. The mountain pass between them is pretty, if you're riding a bike it would be worth doing a day trip to Hue, partially as an excuse for the ride.Hoi An is very touristy, often compared to Kyoto and Chiang Mai. I think its definitely worth seeing, just keep in mind that it's basically a tourist trap.
>>1989253You sound young, and like you don't actually live in Vietnam.let me guess, Asian American? Asian masculinity poster?
>>1989851Same here. I think the ranking the other guy is referring to is mainly because of press restrictions. Personal and economic freedom, in my opinion, isn’t so different from that in the states.
>>1989886You get a pretty good mix most places you go to. They definitely have fairer skin than those in countries like Philippines or Thailand.
>>1989959>someone actually typed this
>>1990052Hue had a great coffee shop, best one I went to in Vietnam, also was nice to ride out to the beach
>>1989851The gov of Vietnam blocks websites like the BBC, and i found it difficult to find any western media.
>>1990179Niggers don't love you back.
>>1990109Like I said. Not a clue.
>>1989851Yeah, same. Pretty common to hear people talking shit about the government or law enforcement in private. Just don't pull a Mike Hauer and do it publicly where it's recordable and especially about the leaders of the revolution and you ought to be good. Those family owned stores are the reason why big corporations like McDonald's and Starbucks are really struggling here btw - we ought to be thanking them for making competition so fierce that this country will never become a hypercapitalized shithole like South Korea.>>1990179Imagine being butthurt enough to waste five minutes in MSpaint over an anonymous post on the internet.
>>1990217>hypercapitalized shithole like South Korea.I wouldn't be so sure, the youth seem to be embracing the most crass aspects of China and South Korea. Wish Japan had a bigger influence on SEA
>>1990100wrong on all counts
>>1989029How is the train service and how practical would it be to use it as the main way to travel? And how easy would integrating bikes into your train travel be?
>>1990225>Wish Japan had a bigger influence on SEAWhat, no sex and killoing yourself?But in a serious note, Japan's immaculate organization for basically everything should be exported everywhere.
>>1989029my gf is Vietnamese american, speaks it and has visited her family every now and then growing up. would it be a mistake to travel there with her or is it something I should do solo, moreso as a tourist?
>>1990225Yeah, true, there's a lot of degenerate fuckery like the Young Buffalo.Still, it is my hope that as the country gets richer, it will fall more in line with its Sinosphere brethren in the sense that the streets will be clean, organized, and the people generally intelligent, despite whatever other flaws they would have alongside those.>>1990252Nah, you'll be fine, they love foreigners out there.
>>1989761>>1989803>>1989851I see, thanks for replying anons>>1990217>Those family owned stores are the reason why big corporations like McDonald's and Starbucks are really struggling here btw - we ought to be thanking them for making competition so fierce that this country will never become a hypercapitalized shithole like South Korea.Sounds really cool, especially considering that alot of first world cities are just the same copy and paste chains now, it's good to hear that small businesses are thriving in VietnamOn a similar note, how do Saigon/Hanoi fare with regard to stuff like art/music/culture/nightlife/etc?
>>1990297You're white, so you'll be fine. A lot of expats and expat-focused places will cater to you and it won't even be so expensive.
>>1990297>Saigon/Hanoi fare with regard to stuff like art/music/culture/nightlife/etc?>>1989054
>>1990297>Those family owned stores are the reason why big corporations like McDonald's and Starbucks are really struggling hereYeah, with all the great coffee in Vietnam, even at the local chains, why would anyone ever go to a Starbucks.
>>1990252Go visit her family and ask for her father's permission to marry her.
>>1989283>>1989283Go to Da Lat, get private room in hostel, spend day riding a rented scooter outside of town, spend nights drinking bia and eating great food. you'll have fun