Previously: >>90279206>OFFICIAL Commander website, where you can learn the rules, see the current banlist, and read the format philosophy, laid down by the rules committee:https://mtgcommander.net/>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet.http://www.edhrec.com/>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identity.http://mtglands.com/>Deck List Sites: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choices.http://www.tappedout.nethttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.com>CARD SEARCHhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>how to proxy using any printerhttps://mtgprint.cardtrader.com/>TQ/prompt:Post based wincons
It's a crime that this is banned
Hey lads, I'm looking to maybe start getting into Commander because it's popular at my LGS. Problem is, I'm not very experienced at paper Magic in general and wouldn't really know where to start since my card collection is very small. I would pretty much be picking a character I like and then building a sort of tribal/flavored deck around that.Just for the sake of clarity, does the "color identity" rule mean that I can't have any cards of a color other than my Commander's? So, say, a Chandra deck would be monored, a Sheoldred or Gix deck would be monoblack, etc.?
>>90288744buy a precon of color(s) you like and work from that
>>90288702>TQAnything having to do with swinging at face that doesn't include craterhoof or a like cardHydra omnivore Voltron for example is absurdly based
>>90288744>Just for the sake of clarity, does the "color identity" rule mean that I can't have any cards of a color other than my Commander's? So, say, a Chandra deck would be monored, a Sheoldred or Gix deck would be monoblack, etc.?Yes. Though color identity counts not just the colors in the card's manacost but also any colors in the abilities. That's a pretty niche case, but there are some cards that only cost one color of mana but have abilties that require another color to activate (like, say, a red card with an abilitity that use green mana to activate), in which its color identity consists of all colors on the card (so red and green in this case).
>>90288744Not sure how you are phrasing that, but correct I think?Here. Pic has a color identity of White, Red, AND Blue. Due to the pips in the Cost AND the pips in the text box. Thus you can only put this card under a commander that also has at least W/R/BuIf pic was legendary and you made it a commander, you'd have a R/W/Bu deck.>>90288753This is pretty decent advice. I really think the strongest Precons lately have been any of the Commander- Precons that came with the "Brothers' War" set. They're not top of the top of the top, but they all can put up a good fight and win against other constructed decks- which not alot of Pre-cons can say.
>tq>inb4 hurr silver
>>90288742Ban fetch lands. Bring this back.
>>90288827Could totally be a legit normal card thanks to the D&D sets now a days.
>>90288702everybody wins :)
>>90288860actually nobody wins, reading the card explains the card
>>90288702Wincons?why would I dilude my deck with cards I always aim to dig for and make the game boring
>>90288860The guy who owns and casts it wins.>>90288926>actually nobody winsOnly in games with actual prizes, tournaments, or ranking events.In casual? See above.
>>90288941Less tutors and more wincons might make your games more dynamic as you have to pivot with what you draw.
>>90288702>TQmy favorite mono white war crime. nobody sees it coming
>>90288779I love this dude
>>90288974What's a war crime about it? I would understand if it sent the tokens to the graveyard but exiling them won't activate the tap
>>90289037I'll wait until you see it.
>>90288702>tqThis one and it's no accorn version
>>90288954actual cyclepath take
>have a Sol Ring in my opening hand >wait and play it on turn 2
>tqmy favorite game
>>90289133how do I get this back in black when I mill it?
>>90288749Glad you're back, buddy.
>>90289124cats are for faggots
>>90289066I don't get it. Outside of being able to get a bunch of 5/5 flying tokens instantly, I don't see the synergy, since if the Yosei tokens aren't going into the graveyard they're not doing anything.
>>90289143What are squirrels for?
>>90289144ok, so I'm free to declare attackers then?
>>90289233>>90289233fuck you for ruining it
>>90289144legendary rule means they are automatically sacrificed without the need for a sac outlet
>>90289144They're legendary. They'll go to the graveyard right away.
>>90289260holy shit it's actually precisely what I was looking for
>>90289270>>90289270fuck you for ruining it
>$5 more than the other version Is this an example or coomertax?
>>90289396many such casesyou can see it on any anime girl art too, no matter how generic or mismatching the art is to the actual card effect
Thoughts on my Chatterfang list? I'm wondering if I should add more aristocrat type payoffs, or maybe Pathbreaker Ibex https://www.moxfield.com/decks/CpAVzEZA80OLDp8F4Bqi3g
Just a question, how do you search for specific things in art using scryfall? Pinkie is the first Boros commander I want to build and I need to filter for smiles.
>>90289703https://scryfall.com/docs/tagger-tagsSmile is in the list somewhere presumably in the S section
>>90289581>that listmine is better
>>90288742>have a wubrg creature on board>win instantlyyeah nah it can get fucked
>>90289703>My process> https://scryfall.com/advanced> Under Oracle Text: type "[game mechanic here]" "[other game mechanic here]"> Commander: select commanders colors> Sort by "EDHREC Rank"> CTRL + Left click 'Search with these options'> Go back to original tag to search new themes
>>90289880That's possible. I deliberately avoided using Pitiless Plunderer because it's a boring wincon. Do you run things like Beastmaster Ascension/Pathbreaker Ibex? Also, thoughts on Epic Struggle? It'd be a funny meme wincon
>>90289940Forgot to read. My bad
>>90289799>>90289819Thank you both kindly
>>90289944remove the sorcery speed spells that create 1 or 2 squirrels except for drey keeper, bootlegger's stash is a bad card and you need to check in general which card in mid/late game is a dead drawI'd personally run avenger of zendikar and more tutors, especially diabolic intentbeastmaster ascension is mandatory, pathbreaker is ok but endraze forerunners is betterepic struggle is shit in a meta that has a lot of boardwipes, but if your opponents are mindless retards you might want to include it
>>90288974I've committed crimes with blade of selves and Burglar Rat. Thanks to a t1 sol ring I was able to t1 blade, t2 rat, T3 this is where the fun begins. I fucked everyone's hands until I drew into Massacre Worm and everyone scooped. I actually felt bad about that win.
>>90289930shut up you fucking noob piece of shit>>90288840Not even necessary. There are faster (and using less colors) wincons than this shit card
anyone experience with pic related in the command zone? I've only played it in the 99 of Jodah and creating big beating dinos was pretty satisfying
>>90290270Seems like it would be a fun casual optionA bit slow to have absolutely no inbuilt protection though
>>90290270I'd run as many anthems as I can, cards that protect (like hero's int.), dorks and rocks. Finisher would be craterhoof/white craterhoof, stampede or shit like that
>>90290270I've run it in brawl only so I can't say how good it is in a 4 player format BUT I think they're a fun commander. Naturally you want all the normal selesnya token support but having the big token alternative built in makes running a few more big beaters than usual worth
Is rhystic study $15 yet?
>>90289233>>90289270Autism. You're no fun.
>>90290270it should have a cost reduction like the original ghalta
>>90290713it was $4 when i bought mine, and mystic remora was a quarter
>>90288702>TQMakes lots of mana.Hit someone with a really strong Bee.
>>90288702>TQThis card is so fucking based in the decks that use it
>>90289944>epic struggle imagine flashing in eerie ultimatum on end step and winning there. who’s the commander for the job?
I recently pulled a Slyvan Library so now I kind of want to put an Abundance in my deck to live the dream at least once.Probably not work keeping it in long term though.
>>90291073That thing is glorious in my Feather deck.
>>90291123If you want another hilarious Abundance combo, consider pic related
These basically sold out since the new secret lair was announced. I guess I'll just get the new one and try and pick up the originals in a few months when they cool down a bit again.
>>90291137It's gangbusters in Zada too.
>>90291349Hell yeah it is.
>>90290731Nah, autism is getting your panties in a bunch over spoon-feeding.
>>90291631i already do though
>>90288734This card is slept on hard in any deck that has any type of lifegain effects, nukes the whole table
>>90287977Is the video out there with this deck list? It sounds like a lot of fun.
>>90289047I've pulled this off twice. Shit was so cash.
>>90289447Its literally every single card with more than one art that has a female character in the art dude. Ugly women are a blight on reality and men would pay a lot to simply see a beautiful breeding sow over penetrating an uggo. For example if the pirate granny had a version of her as a27 year old milf she would be about 6-14 times the price.
Mana rocks or ramp spells in Simic?
>>90291338I noticed that too, but if you're going to be playing these cards you're going to be in a casual environment so you might as well just proxy the cards you need.
>>90292270sol ring, mana crypt, ancient tomb, mana vault.
>>90288827Legalize it wotc!
How come people think Cultivate/Kodama's Reach are good?
>>90292481As far as green ramp spells go, it's usually 2 mana for 1 land and 4 mana for 2 lands. So, having the opportunity to fetch 2 lands for 3 mana is kind of a sweet deal.
>>90292481I mean, they are fine. They ramp you and draw you a land. If you have lots of things that let you drop extra lands it's actually really useful.
In Chatterfang I can make my squirrels >tap for mana >sacrifice for mana >deal damage when they die >attack and draw cards >die and draw cards >attack for lethal >sacrifice to draw cards The flexibility of a squirrel token knows no bounds.
School me on this commander. I know the basics like>using stuff like Managorger Hydra and Forgotten Ancient to fuel the ability>Rule of Law effects being good for it>cheap reanimation like Animate Dead>some combos involving Ashnods AltarWhat else can I do with this bad boy?
>>90292481Usually when people discuss EDH it's in more casual sense, to most people Cedh might as well be a completely different format so decks built to win before turn 10 don't even enter into their headsKodama's reach and Cultivate are some of the most cost efficient green ramp spells (both in mana and €) so they absolutely should be considered when building a green deck for more casual deck that isn't aiming to win by turn 5 and where average card costs 20+.
>>90292536>not playing the master breederOutta the way amateur
I WANT TO FUCK AN ELF I WNAT TK FUCK AN ELFPLAP PLAP PLAP
>>90289096Am I allowed to use a hat?
>>90291338The art is so bad, I did a paint over and it took me 5 minuets.Why are all the faces so fucked?Only Pinkies art is at all nice.
Why the fuck are some Gala Greeter bab promos so expensive?It's getting to the point it's cheaper to just buy whole box than just the promo.
>>90292812lower print runs in other languages, the Russian one might not even exist in the wild because jotc clutched their pearls too hard at the poor good nazis getting oppressed
>>90292868people are oppressing russia? huh?
>>90292896was there a point to shittily cropping this or are you actually disabled
>>90292919I didn't make the image.
>>90292966why did you post it?
>>90292966Sorry to hear about your disability, hope modern medicine comes up with a solve for you soon
>>90292896This isn't even a combo .??
Clackeys desk mat came in. It's a bit bigger than a playmat but should still work for playing at the lgs
>>90293035I regret to make you aware of this.https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/pony-cum-jar-project
>>90292976It made me chuckle. I'm even more glad that it seems to upset you so badly.
>>90292696Rainbow dash should have costed Red BlueButterflutter should have been a flip transform with just no one on the other side when its your opponents turn.Apple Horse is as always perfect.Pinkie Pies mana cost should have costed pink mana
Are the original pony cards any good? Shit's like $60 now
Thoughts on Ruxa, Patient Professor vs Jasmine Boreal of the Seven?
>>90293204Wtf is pink mana
>>90293204Apple Horse should be yellow mana
>>90292868Did some research on this.AFAIK, only 1-2 have ever been publicly posted
post MAIL CALL ! ! ! som swag for my Eldrazi and Elf decks .
>>90293214They're not playable why do you care if they're good?
>>90293314>Schematic Hedron ArchiveApologies in advance, those foils are notoriously dogshit.
>>90291338>>90288702Well I guess it is a win con now. The question is do I make it a horse/unicorn/pegasus tribal deck like I was originally thinking, or now make it group hug as fuck for my cringe silver border deck?
>>90293314>commander legends foils
>>90293314Just a heads up burnt offerings color identity is BR
>wotc announces more pony cards>post about a pony card>banned for posting mlp outside of /mlp/looks like the jannies are being extra faggy today
>>90293314"near mint condition" according to seller
What are the implications of everyone telling wotc what they think?
>>90293403nothing because they know people will still keep buying
>>90290713>hard to pull mythic inside of a subsetit's gone down a couple dollars and it might go down a couple more, but it'll stabilize and end up right back where it was
>>90288702Stole this from reddit but I thought it was cool considering all it needs is blue.
>>90293392I don't mind white borders per se, but this is the fate of them all. unless they're sealed inside of something they'll accumulate a bunch of dirt on the edgesthey certainly shouldn't have put that as a NM tho. if it's bothering you, which it seems to be, then send it back
>>90293348>>90293314Heres is a functionally same card for mono BShame burnt offering has the better art tho
Is there a place where I can get precon lists in a format I can upload to tappedout?
>>90293441you're paying the two for scepter anyways, why not just use a better counterspell on it and target whatever spells they try to cast for free. the free lands seem irrelevant if you can actually get the lock
>>90293445What botters me is the seller have the face to sell this shit as a NM.I have a very extensive collection of anything prior to 8th edition in japanese white border and they're all like new. Also, you're right, you need to perfect fit them to but in the binder, or else they rot for some reason.
>>902934414 piece ~combo~ to just stall the game? fuck no, kys
I love playing esper so much, bros.
>>90293481ye, a lot of fuckers try to pull some shit like this, to the point where it's becoming a gamble to buy anything NM online
Whats the better choice, a 3 cost dork or 2 cost fixer?
>>90293645Tough call. I'd say 3 dork. At least you can block if you need to.
>>90293488Its not a stall if I can play. Its the same as taking infinite turns.
>>90293657>18 mana infinite turnsjust play white famalam
Is this worth a slot anywhere?
>>90293682The adventure isn't really noteworth, and the effect is pretty slow and doesn't add much to the board. It's some nice inevitability but a white deck with a wide board wants its five mana plays to proactively end the game rather than merely punch through board stalls eventually.
These came out better than I thought but I am a moron and only had low res exports of the artwork. Oh well. Still excited to use them to mark all the cards i steal with gonti, thanks for the support everyone.
>>90291123I had to buy a abundance because I swear to God, like it's a curse, late game I always draw lands. 3-4 in a row. Even if I'm playing cards that have me draw- lands, and more lands .
>>90293682If I still had Kelsien put together I would consider this card in it because he loves getting untapped but realistically drumbellower and whiteplume and sting and so on do a better job than this one. The best I can come up with is a deck like Hamza where the counters really matter. But realistically the card is uplayable because it is a nonbo. The knight it makes has vigilance and doesn't get untapped by the enchantment literal garbage :)
>>90293747The comic sans really suits these lol, fits the cheeky smuggness.
>>90293682Not reallyThe adventure effect is really mediocre and the actual enchantment effect is way too slow and needs too many things going your way for it to actually matter I care about you having 30 1/1 Pegasus flyers, I'm not going to care much more about you spending 5 mana to make them all 2/2s at the end of your turn I'm sure white has some things at 5 mana that will push towards the end of the game that turn rather than the turn after
>>90293747Honestly, you could probably sell this idea.
>Wanna buy a couple higher end things>Friend tells me to noin some big MTG BTS groups on Facebook>"Theyre great Anon, everyone does timestamps and pictures so you dont get fucked">Put up a post>Flooded with dozens of GOOD MORNING SIRS tier shit>They all demand I use really sketchy payment options that are clearly meant to fuck me>They all speak with broken ass EnglishWhat kind of cesspool did my friend introduce me to. Jesus Christ.
>>90293572The basic esper lands are so damn cool.>>90293351I commened on how you could always activate Twilights abillity with ____ and rite of replication and talked about the build around and the comment got removed??>>90293204Blue Fast should let you go first.Should have had Discord with the abillity:If you would randomly select a target, insteed randomly select two targets then randomly select one of thouse two targets.Should have had the CMCs that let you put cutiemarks (stickers) on creatures.
Worst player in our playgroup calls any form of interaction bullshit, what's the best commander to make him seethe. Preferably no minorities or women
>>90293967Grand Arb StaxYou can make him seethe by saying you're not interacting with him.
>>90293967Do I know a guy for you
>>90293967Theres a teen at our LGS that vehemently HATES infect but will openly cram multiple infinite combos into his decks and deflect any griping about said combos because "thats part of the game."
>>90293967Best colors for removing any permanents and countering spells, and lots of untap shenanigans to abuse her. I have been in your shoes and made this exact deck for your exact reasons, and it was a huge success.
>>90293572what commander? this will affect whether you're a fag or not
>>90293681what does it taste like
I'm going to jerk off to some invisible guy jav porn and go to sleep gn guys
>>90288827There's already a legal version, just use that one
>>90294051salty milk and coins
I love this nigga like you wouldn't believe
>>90294043Ravos+ da bird, it's duality themed, like life/death, night/day, and so on. I just wanted to use Dreams of the Dead, mostly. It's pretty much just a goodstuff flicker deck with some resiliency since nothing stays dead. There's not really a commander that fits both the aesthetic and function that I'm going for in these colors.
>off all the IPs in the world they went for ponys>againwhat the fuck is wrong with the nigga in charge?
>>90293967*Kills literally everything on board*It's fair, it costs life.
>>90294084>a charity to support sick kids>uses a very popular children's showGee I wonder why
>>90294082impressive, very nice
>>90294108Point to me on a hasbro quarterly report where the pony brand outsells and out earns transformers from the past 3 years.
>>90294156That doesn't sound too farfetchedTransformers aren't as popular as they were in the early 2000s
>>90293314>I bought shitNice. I own every card that ever existed or will ever exist because I own a printer.
>>90293204No one will ever use them so who cares. They're display cards. Even though no one displays cards
>>90294162Damn, a feels before reals kind of retard.https://investor.hasbro.com/news-releases/news-release-details/hasbro-reports-second-quarter-2023-financial-resultsHeres the q3 results from this year. Ponies make so little money theyre selling the media wing and transformers is growing.
>>90293338If you do, make sure to add Sun Quan, Lord of Wu toake sure your horses have horsemanship.
>>90294219Okay? Who gives a shit lol they just did a transformers secret lair and cards not even a year ago
>mlp fags, Warhammer fags and dr who fags can now post in /mtg/ and /edh/ threads freely why god
>>90294255>purposely use an underperforming brand as a commercial for it instead of using its high performing brands to maximize the amount of money the charity earns and the amount that the company can write off for taxation.>get sued for failure to uphold fiduciary responsibilityAll over a little bit of animated horse cunny, damn shame.
>>90294311MLP has had MTG cards for years newfriend
>mogs Smothering Tithe
>>90294332Yes I'm aware but now the holy trinity of autism has assembled
>>90289581Here's mine. Most of the stuff in the sideboard is on it's way, although I probably won't be able to include them all. I wish Deranged Hermit wasn't so expensive, Deep Forest Hermit is one of my favorite squirrel generators so far.https://archidekt.com/decks/5096277/oachkatzlnThis is pretty much the first deck I made myself, so there's probably a lot of unnecessary shit in there, but I've had a few wins already.
>>90294311>dr who fags can now post in /mtg/ and /edh/ threads freelyI was already here
>>90293441>4 cards when you could just run Omen Machine in Lavinia
Do you think the Snarls are playable in 2c?
>>90294365your entire show is le reddit for science!!
>>90294433They've been pretty good in my experience
>>90294433Playable? Sure.Optimal? Maybe not.
Basic lands are tech
>>90294480Man I wish it was that popular
>Opponent A Arcane Denial's Opponent B's spell>I flash in Notion Thief>Opponent B doesn't realize he can choose not to draw cards>I get to draw cards for both of themheh, nothing personnel
is there a card that says if you lose life each opponent loses that much life? scryfall didn't turn anything up
>>90294600Do you understand how broken that would be?
>>90294600That would be a dumb unfair card. You're silly for ever thinking it could exist
>>90294616Nearly as broken as 3 cards for 1 blue mana
>>90294616>>90294624nigga they printed a time walk and infinite card draw in colorless for 4 manawhy couldn't they print that?
>>90294635I don't think it would be the most powerful card ever made, sorry
>>90293906>imagine having nothing like MKMI might be Europoor, but at least I can buy a Cradle without getting shanked.
>>90294600>>90294616>>90294624Not exactly the same, but there’s a few spells that target everyone including players for damage. I guess you could theoretically pump those and kill everyone all at once.
>>90294062So true. When I get to cheat him out with ninjas on turn 4 it makes people so angry
>>90288734Is this a turn 1 win with Oloro or I'm too retarded/asleep to realize otherwise?
>>90294803You still have to pay the mana, dingleberry.
>>90294803X mana still
>>90294805Yeah, then I declare myself too asleep AND retarded. Thanks
Just finished this list. Haven't gotten to playtest it any, but just looking at the list I'm concerned it does not have enough card draw. Am I overthinking the dumbest stompy deck on the planet?https://www.moxfield.com/decks/UQ5O2M0nNU65kskuOxVuzQ
>>90294829We've all been there. In general, but also specifically with Bonds of Agony.
I love her so much!
>>90294962Built for BGCTAP TAP TAP TAPMAKE GOBLINS MAKE GOBLINS MAKE GOBLINS MAKE GOBLINS
>>90294967imagine the handjobs
Does an extra turn hosing card exist?
>>90295020There are a few, Gerrards hourglass, Stranglehold and Ugins Nexus are ones i know of
>>90295020There are a few. This is probably the best due to Flash.
>posting this in the MTG thread instead of here accidentallyI'm looking for cards that aren't good but funny to play at a 4-player commander table
>>90294311I take solace in the fact the mlp cards are staying as silver bordered cards, like all the other universes beyond cards should have been
>>90295511I don't really need warhammer cards forcing me to do shit like buy warhammer models for effects
>>90294311Don't worry, you'll forget all your troubles once 2025 arrives and the Final Fantasy set invites the extreme autistic weeaboos from VII and XIV's fanbases into Magic. If you're very very lucky it'll stick to mainly job archetypes, but I don't think that'll be the case.When Sephiroth and G'raha fill /mtg/ with fujotrash, you will wish Pinkie Pie had granted you the sweet release of death.
>>90295568You act like any UB shit has brought X fags from other media here.
Hey anons, is Brimaz worth using in a Toxic/Infect deck with Atraxa? Or should I just use anything else?I’ve basically got three open slots since I took out the Venser-Dross combo, the whole thing was too slow for me.
>>90295628I started Magic because of the FF crossover announcement.
>>90295650He is a likely extra proliferate a turn if you keep throwing mites at people and makes tokens that can get pretty big and be used as blockers because you're probably not going to be blocking much with your little shits with infect. His main issue is that if he dies before the end step the proliferate effect doesn't trigger, but any removal used on Brimaz is one less on Atraxa or Skithiryx.
>>90294880>Am I overthinking the dumbest stompy deck on the planet?No you are not, its easy to get really retarded with stompy decks but you're gonna be kicking yourself when you bring this thing to a pod and it runs out of gas. Return of the Wildspeaker, Soul's Majesty, and Rishkar's Expertise will save your ass in decks like these. Most of the combat tricks you have in here are too small change to make a big impact you probably want them to and Run Amok straight up nonbos with your commander since you can't get the bonus value on his ability with it. Collision // Colossus, Become Immense, Colossal Might, Vines of Vastwood, Invigorate, and Berserk are some worthwhile considerations if you want to just upgrade some of the combat tricks.
>>90295686Sounds good then, I’m actually fine with him being remove bait or if not, a free extra prolif. Thanks.
>pinkie pie is borosthe fuck? she is not pulling up to the sacred foundry to whip some humans' backs sore for breathing wrong
>>90292594But are they better than Rampant Growth?
>>90295703Party: White mana. Emblematic of community, event organization, and mutual welfare. Cannon: Red mana. Explosions.By my books we're a-ok. Also think about what colors you mix to make pink.
>>90295717desu she should have just been pink mana identity and had some alternate casting instead of costing pink mana. Pink is a color in UNstuff and this is silver border anyway
>>90295726Yeah but let’s be real, they want things to be commander friendly these days so I imagine they don’t wanna fuck with the colour identity that much
>>90293967Baral, King of Counterspells
>>90295365I run red chaos cards that swap peoples permanents when they enter the field
>>90294561You could just want until the next upkeep and cast notion thief in response to arcane denial's draw trigger, after player B has already decided to draw.
>>90294962I lover her legs.
>>90295939Kinda hard to care about these being commander friendly when they’re explicitly unhinged type of cards that have no way to play in a normal way.
>>90294345k, I'll play both and run pic rel so I can get ether when I need them.
>>90296024That's not how decisions work in mtg. You make decisions as spells and abilities resolve, not when the ability is put on the stack.
Post mana curves
>>90296333That's incorrect, the player that cast arcane denial creates a delayed trigger with it that will happen on the player who's spell was countered upkeep at that point they will choose whether to draw the additional cards or not
>>90296446Yeah but you cant flash in notion thief in response to a player choosing to draw cards from an arcane denial, that player makes that choice when that delayed trigger resolves.
>>90296454True, they cannot respond with notion thief after the fact. There would be no spot in which to respond with it
>>90292481They aren't the cheapest land ramp spells, but one man more to ramp and have an extra land to play later when you might otherwise miss a drop is a fine option.
>>90294166I bet you proxy basic lands
>>90288975he looks pretty fun. got a list anon?
>>90296440either an eldrazi/artifact deck or you expect games to go on for hours
>>90288744I'm in a similar boat as you, I started playing February of this here. First, buy a pre-con of the colors you like to play. do a little bit of research on how the deck plays and see if its your style . Play a couple games with it and learn its strength and weaknesses then search online for upgrade cards to switch in. Also you will lose a lot and learning is part of the experience. I'd recommend to play with other new commander players if you can otherwise you'll be losing a lot which might sour your experience but understand its part of the game and you'll get better with time. Its always good to ask questions and get as much information as possible learning to keep track of card triggers and what your opponents field has will come in time
>>90296440Spells and 0 costs are for gays and women
>>90296610>Company creates a product and decides to set a price to sell it>People buy more and more>Company raises price>People buy even more>Anon mad at company and wants to "send a message"Are you stupid?
Landfall is a shit mechanic and landfallniggers should be hanged
>>90296866landfall is the only good thing about having lands in this game
>>90293480>opponent hits Abrupt Decay or any other uncounterable spell
>>90293657trash play>>90293595exactly>>90293967Urza (u)>>90293989I'd use my monoblack infect and focus solely on this fucker>>90294043based>>90294061nice>>90294084Do you saw the current R&D team?>>90294323Wish this was true, but we both know this is a lie>>90294962I fucked her once>>90294963me irl>>90294967yes>>90296510Did this for guru ones just to annoy anti-proxy fags. It worked better than i taught
>>90296866Mad because he's a good card? Build better decks fag
If I want to build Thalia/Gitrog for a somewhat budget pod (<200$) is landfall/go wide my best build? Im moving away from tribal decks and trying newer stuff. Im afraid she overlaps with Faldorn since I run azusa and some play extra lands in that deck as well ._.
>>90297214landfall is best with Yarok/Omnath but Thalia/Gitrog has some good stax pieces and removal. I'd run a stax/ramp oriented deck with big spells
Squirrelfag has to be the worst poster here, right?
>>90297275By any chance, do you know of a list I can check or that you would recommend? Im really new when it comes to making a deck from scratch
I WILL proxy basics
>>90297318check moxfield, or edhrec if you're desperate
>>90296440I'm still learning and trying to understand the curve (I still don't REALLY get it) but I think I got Frodo's curve nailed down.
>>90296977>opponent plays any spell that hoses you before a 4card lock is in play>Stifle in handi'd be more worried about this eventuality
>>90292586The only autoinclude in the deck is pic rel imo, otherwise it's a damn versatile deck. It's in abzan, so you can accidentally infinite combo just by putting shit in your graveyard. If you want to avoid going the infinite combo route, you can always recur a strong etb like an avenger of zendikar multiple times a turn with any 3 CMC or less reanimation enchantment and a sac outlet. Rule of law effects are very strong yeah. I'd recommend running slightly less ramp than usual, around 8-10 prices, as Tayam only costs 4 mana and can ramp you in an emergency by getting back lands from the graveyard. For removal, I'd recommend slotting in mostly nonland permanent removal for your instants and sorceries, and using stuff like oubliette and Kenrith's transformation for removal once Tayam is out.
>>90297419love this fucking card. 4 bodies for 3 mana is fantastic in any deck that has ways to sac it
>>90292586You can also always ramp with Wood Elves, Topiary Stomper etc. Personally I really like the latter for also being a really good attacker/blocker.
>>90297476Yeah but it's so good in Tayam it's absurd. Goes "infinite" with both Ashmod's and Phyrexian altar, and even without those, any sac outlet lets you pay 3 as much times as you want for 4 bodies and 3 cards in your GY at instant speed. >>90297419Right, forgot to add that another Tayam strength is that his ability is instant speed. If you don't have any sorcery speed stuff in your hand you want to play over the stuff in your graveyard, you should just land and pass. Activate Tayam once your opponents are tapped out.
How do people watch this guy?https://youtube.com/shorts/AjNzmcLKBqM?si=UajgZkrbMcQrdlqX
That'd be nice if this was a single set and the other 2 cards wouldn't cost 300 bucks.I'm still of the opinion that Universes Beyond should be in Silver Border like this, or as alternate art reprints like Godzilla.
>>90297330Counterfeit guru lands are so easy to spot
>>90297584yeah I bet since they were printed in my local library and cut by hand of pablo himself
I might build him, I've been feeling nostalgic towards 2010-2015 era EDH lately.
>>90295701At some point my strategy with infect decks became "make everybody waste all their removal by nuking Atraxa/Skittles/Hand of the Praetors and all the random 1/1 flyers with infect, then win with Phyrexian Swarmlord because nobody has removal spells left and you drown the board in 1/1s with infect"
My opinion of white has completely changed recently. I was watching a YouTube video and the guy said something along the lines of "White isn't bad, people just don't let you play its strengths in commander without complaining". It's like something clicked when he said that, so I started putting some of the more brutal stuff like Armageddon, Humility, Smothering Tithe, Drannith Magistrate, Cataclysm, Rule of Law, and so on in my decks, and it's been so good. I'm a total white respector now. I would honestly say red is probably the weakest color right now, unless you have some wild and fast proactive strategy like Slicer to win the game before anyone else gets off the ground. I'm constantly drawing cards and keeping my hand full in the mono white deck I built and I can remove any permanent that's an issue for me, I even have a few counterspells. It's wild. Don't be afraid to run good white cards, if people bitch that means it's working.
Has anyone tried running Isochron Scepter but not as a combo piece? Simply just sticking some removal or counterspell on it and having that extra interaction every rotation. Did it feel worth the slot?
>>90297615i have always ran armageddon and ravages of war though
>>90297615Counterpoint>white is for queers>dragons are coolTherefore red is the best color
>>90297615White when played like the motherfucker of a stax color its born to be is nasty and will get you a bad reputation for crashing pods (even if you don't win they will remember the guy who taxed them all game and blew all their lands to kingdom come.) I love my mono white stax deck but its too socially repugnant to bring to my LGS on a regular basis.
>>90297615White has always been amazing but it needs help from other colors to stand up on its own. Thats why Orzhov is so based. Black and white cover each other's shortcomings perfectly
>>90297637The main problem with Scepter is that it paints a huge target if you put something even half decent on it, and unless you get 2+ activations it's a waste of a card
>>90297615I talked about this with some friends recently and I told them this is why Simic is so often considered disgustingly strong in casual tables despite not being super common in cEDH (aside from Kinnan). There are three big taboos in casual pods, infinite combos, stax and land destruction (and to a lesser degree board wipes). You're expected to just ramp, draw cards and slam big battlecruisers on the table. In short, you're expected to play Simic, while playing to other color's strengths is a big no no. Everyone is playing Simic's game and it turns out that Simic is better at being Simic than anyone else.
>>90297682Absolutely, I could not agree more.
>>90297615>today I will remind themwinning means very little in a casual format
>>90297709Twice, one played 5C shrines and the other played Kinnan. Pretty insufferable both times.
>>90297709a couple times i live in a small town so its a rare occurrence though
I bought some cards from a store, got a boosterpack and found pic related in it.Could he be a fun commander to play? Wan't creatures and lots of interactions in my next deck!
>>90297709one of my friends started inviting more people to our pod and then they started inviting their friends and that led to one of they/thems being a part of our groupthe funny part is that in my country we only use one pronoun for both male and female already
>>90297821If you want to be boring, you could make the Shadowborn Apostles deck. He is an aristocrats lord at heart so many ways to build him under that strat.
>>90297615Red also has a lot of casual taboo pieces like Worldfire, Possibility Storm, and Blood Moon
>>90297858no, fuck off faggot. we're getting sick and tired of your retarded larp. these freaks are nothing but colossal disappointments to their family and complete failures in every regard of life that we have to "pretend" to care about much like these men pretend to be women. no one seriously considers them women; people are just trying to be nice while they smirk behind their backs. stop living a fucking lie. go ruin another hobby, not welcome at my pod. the fake bleeding-heart shit is getting old too, no one cares.
>>90297927I think swedish uses masculine and feminine pronouns for people and items alike.
>>90296858>Company creates sets with 1-2 format breaking cards>The rest are complete trash>people spend hand over fist for it >Be me >Decide to stop giving wotc money >Still enjoy game with friends >Faggots seethe on theSuch is life
>>90297807HAS NO STYLEHE HAS NO GRACETHIS ANONIS A FUCKING DISGRACE
>>90297895>blood moonnot a problem unless you run 4/5c decks
>>90298004This. If you don't have a minimum of 10 basics in your decks, you're an idiot. Basics are tech
>>90296440Try to guess the commander.
>>90298055I thought curves were supposed to.. idk curve?
>>90297959take the proxy pill
>>90298004People still bitch and moan.
>>90297615Red has some really obnoxious ass cards and a lot of ways to just end games in a flashPeople will still hate good White cards more though, just because they don't allow you to play the game. Getting burned out by a silly red goblin is a lot less traumatizing than seeing an Armageddon resolve
>>90297662What was the combo with this guy again?It was a way to make his power drop back to 19 after each activation
>>90296858>t. consoomer cattle
Is there a way to build any of the Elesh Norns to not be super faggotry?
>>90298369you must bring flavor town
>>90298294I'm sure there's a dozen of themAt 6/6 there's enough +1/1 counters in red to keep him high enough to do what he's supposed to
>>90298109Pramikon>>90298110A sharp curve is still a curve. By turn 4 I can cast almost anything in my deck.
>>90298369OG Norn isn't that annoying, you'll hear some groans because people just hate it whenever White has any way to actually finish the game but it's not too badNow if you ever play Mother of Machines, whether it be as your commander or as part of the 99, you will probably get banned from every pod you play in for being an irredeemable power gaming faggot
>>90298294One way is to use Umezawa's Jitte. Then you just use the ability again to nuke anything for 20.
I am the most casual player here
>>90298493>Now if you ever play Mother of Machines, whether it be as your commander or as part of the 99, you will probably get banned from every pod you play in for being an irredeemable power gaming faggotI can't possibly imagine being this much of a bitch lmao
>>90288744Correct, though there are other nuances to color identity. Color identity counts the colors of both sides of the card plus the colors of any mana symbols in its rules text. Some odd things result from this:1. Hybrid cards count as multicolor despite not actually having multicolor mana requirements. For instance, you could normally run Mercy Killing in decks that are monogreen or monowhite, but in EDH your color identity must be GW to use it.2. Some DFCs add colors on their backsides. Elbrus, the Binding Blade requires black color identity despite being an artifact on its front side, and Garruk Relentless is BG despite being monogreen on his front side.3. Extort does not count towards color identity despite having a B/W symbol because said mana symbol is in its reminder text of extort, not the rules text of the card with extort. As such, you can run Crypt Ghast in monoblack decks.4. Basic land types inherently count towards color identity even though the mana abilities are in reminder text. This seems obvious, but it gets confusing when you get to…5. Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth and Yavimaya, Cradle of Growth are both colorless color identity despite what their frames suggest. This is because they don’t actually have any land types. Their abilities give themselves land types while on the battlefield, but this does not count towards color identity for deck construction. This lets you utilize Karma in decks like Darien, King of Kjeldor, or it lets you be cheeky with Kormus Bell in Avacyn, Angel of Hope.
How would you fix Post Malone's Merieke deck?https://www.moxfield.com/decks/-sat-aKD5EybRYT9DfGQrg
>>90298600I bet your deck has wincons
>>90298655this is even more of a goodstuff pile than mine holy shit. if I ran this I'd get fucking stomped by all my opponents' endless value
>>90298697most of them do but I don't use deck-building websites, like EDHrec, so they're suboptimal
>>90297573if UB cards were silver bordered nobody would have an issue with them
>>90298755dunno about those but playing to win doesn't sound casual at all to meIMO they make a deck a boring one trick pony
/edhg/ , I'm having trouble thinking up a u/g deck. I'm thinking either something with a clone or coiling oracle type theme but i can't get excited enough for anything right now. Any ideas? as long as it isnt +1/+1 counters or tokens im cool with it.
>>90298294I think its nettlecyst and treasures cause once he reaches 20 you sac to 19 and activate to get back to 20 and repeat for as many treasures you have
>>90298804The only UG deck i liked was kenessos. Maybe you are more inspired than me though and can make gor muldrak work https://www.moxfield.com/decks/uAUwRYYLdUuqxkWQJVNXsg
>>90298775Playing to win is literally the entire point no matter what power level. You literally aren’t even playing magic if you don’t have some sort of strategy in mind.
>>90298804She's pretty fun.
>>90298775my decks are probably slightly better than modern-day commander starter decks, but my attitude is the opposite of try-hard.>one trick ponyinteresting way of saying “ coherent strategy”. some decks can have more than 1 wincon, however.
>almost no monarch cards for my lord skitter deckthis sucks
>>90298775The fuck else do you play for then? It's one thing to decide how seriously you're gonna take winning but the purpose of any game is to ultimately arrive at a winner. That's just how the rules of the game work.
>>90298832>>90298842>>90298999I've lost so many times to a finale to hoof, big mana to hailfire or second sun that I'd rather just lose every time than win the same couple of ways. those don't make good games, but if you really can't help but think about wincons like a robot then having no specific wincon makes every card be one
>>90298804What about simic spellslinger with Aesi as a draw/ramp engine
>>90299009If I ever actually lost to second sun I'd simply never play a game ever again lmao.
>>90299042found the blue player
>>90299056found the shitter who treats games like their little autistic action figure playground
>>90299042Second Sun is actually rather consistent of a wincon in certain decks.
>>90299042Wtf kind of second sun decks have you played against that just bend over after the first time it gets countered?
>>90299006do you have a hairline?
>>90299077why yes, I am quite the casual you see>>90298600definitely more than this anon
>>90298493I pulled my Mother of Machines out of a booster pack, I play her and my pod doesn't care.
>>90298804I refuse to believe you're having trouble making a deck in the endless value pile that is simic
>>90299189In novice deckbuilders I've genuinely noticed a consistent them of being able to cobble together a critical mass of value engines but not have an actual wincon. They'll spend 10+ turns so far ahead no one can recover but be unable to slam the door shut to finish the game.
>>90299009It sounds like your definition of ‘good games’ simply doesn’t fit the structure of Magic the gathering as a game. Honestly it sounds like you just don’t like the game. This isn’t a role playing game, this isn’t some cooperative ‘story’ with the other players. This is a player vs. player card game where the point is winning.
>>90299204what an npc take
>>90294433Definitely in 2c.
>>90299179>>90298493Mother of machines norn is not the powerhouse she was hyped to be.For one thing if anyone clones her your deck completely crashes. And she only hinders other people with how much they rely on etb triggers for basic things like removal
>>90299009>if you really can't help but think about wincons like a robot then having no specific wincon makes every card be one
>>90299220>I’m better than you because I play the game wrong
>>90299009>>90299289>every card a winconBehold! My victory awaits
>>90299333>he hasn't swung lethal with an animated land
>>90299197I'm having this problem with Reality Chip.I can vomit my whole deck onto the field but there's no real wincon.I decided to stuff some eldrazi bombs in there and hope it's enough.
>>90299394>I decided to stuff some eldrazi bombs in there and hope it's enough.come on dude you can be better than that
>>90299412>Bro just take out your winconsJust stop already
>have like 15 decks>last time I properly updated either them was probably pre-covid>have lots of fun playtesting them against each other, goldfishing, gradually tuning their respective gimmicks to perfection>considering visiting the LGS again>enter this thread, realize how much turbocancer got metastasized into the format in the last 5 years alone>lose will to play for another week/month
>>90299434>Let me have bad wincons instead
>>90299454You only need to find three people you enjoy playing with in order to have a good time every weekend.
>>90299517Last time I quit because I felt magic was consooming my free time too much and I needed to do some more productive things in lifeAlso my decks are already way too familiar to me, and I just can't bring myself to build something newLast I remember I wanted to brew a Kamigawa monowhite commander (Yosei since I have a foil) but all my essential white gas like Land Tax was already included in another deck, so I had to drop it
>>90299454Get yourself a dedicated kitchen table playgroup. That is where the real motivation is.
>>90299394>a microchipsilliest commander
>>90299454>lose will to play for another week/monthJust go to the LGS first then lose the will to play
>>90299716microchips are jellyfish, retard. it makes perfect sense!
>>90296575https://www.moxfield.com/decks/o9PedB3pYUOYC-sZaNitowI don't think it's perfect, and I could improve it a bit more with some more expensive cards but they don't really fit the level of play/price my group does.The sideboard and considering areas are bits I have taken out and am considering respectively.
>>90299576Sounds like you quit because this game is affecting your mental health. Maybe you should stay away.
meloku, or patron of the moon? in the mood for a classic build
>>90299716I love it>My commander is an elder dragon that's hellbent on universal domination, what's yours?Computer parts. Come at me.
>>90297615White has a plenty of individually strong cards, it's monowhite that sucks. because its strategy as a color is completely self-contradictory>wants to go wide with weenies and tokens>color of boardwipes => kills own board before everybody else's>worst draw in the game => has the hardest time recovering from its own wipes>damage prevention and lifegain are completely useless>took forever until we got some non-gimmicky lifegain payoff in the color and it's still super meh>auras and equipments are a huge liability because the first gets 2-for-1'd constantly, and the second still needs a creature online, which against golgari type decks is a huge PITA to sustain>enchantments include mostly symmetrical stax pieces, which again usually hurt you more than anyone else>artifact support is pretty good, but severely lacks in tutors and general redundancy>good support for playing walkers, but almost all of them in-color are super shit for EDH
What are you ordering /5eg/? Also apparently vivien has replaced garruk as part of the lorwyn 5.
>>90299775this is so fucking cringe>filenameof course they would prioritize the black woman over a white guy
So you've resolved pic related. How do you win?Captcha KARDD
>>90299775i like how garruk has been pretty much phased out completely now in favor of whats her face
>>90299774just use one sided wipesjust recur your shit with the plethora of reanimationlifegain is an extra turn by itself so no synergy neededjust use auras/equipments that protect like everyone elseyou build with stax in mind and don't make a storm deckwhite has plenty of artifact tutors, you liarall mono walkers are shit
>>90299775what's with the food tie-ins? is this a burger moment like with their food analogies?
>>90299859Epics would have been immensely based if they were enchantments instead of sorceries
>>90299877>lifegain is an extra turn by itselfLmao
>>90299775It's bad I recognized who made those pancakes before I read the text.
>>90300008there's not that many places that make pancakes
>>90299946atraxa lets you gain a ton of extra turns..
>>90299859>Dovescape>Life and limb>Humility>Night of souls betrayal