This game is actually pretty fun.
>>88986276I didn't really enjoy it when I got to play it. Is the point to avoid combat? Then why doesn't it have more resources for that?
>>88986276I'm surprised you found enough game to enjoy in the first placeMork Borg is a fine enough art book but there's excruciatingly little going for it in the gameplay department. Everyone I've talked to who's played it has described it as an edgier version of Pretend with the occasional die roll.>>88986437Jesus dude calm down, it's just an edgy Swedish game made by cuckolds, don't let it get you down too much
>>88986276For all its talk of being "edgy" and "dark" it is actually more like a comedy game. It is so over the top edgy and grimdark that it rolls around back into being silly (and this is obviously intentional), because it is impossible to take it seriously when, for example, your character's skin falls off and they become a talking skeleton (with apparently no actual effects on their stats).It is basically a reddit game built around le heckin quirky random dicerinos with wacky effects. There is no actual horror or emotional depth to it, it is something you play exactly once, as an edgy joke, then forget about it.
what are some actually edgy games?
>>88986706Any game where you and your friends agree to be edgy.
>>88986706FATAL
It's barely a game. You have minimal procedures done better dozens of times before, across 40 years, cut down to fit in a fucking artbook. The art's nice but you're an idiot if you're playing morkburger for the 'gameplay'. Of course you didn't start this thread with any intention of discussing it, let's be real
>>88986276But is this fun actually a game?
Cool artbook. Thats it really. But weirdly enough, me and my party play it any other week. Just because we can roll dice with no prep while having beer and pizza."Burn the book" rule is fun, but im not gonna burn 40$ just for the lulz.Cy_Borg seems much better tho.
>>88986858I hate that kind of mindset. Sometimes people want to discuss the things which trigger shitpost wars without the damn shitpost war. I got banned for three days for daring to want to do just that. It also reminds me of that "you should know better than to mention you like undertale on /v/" screencap. This is the traditional games board, let's bloody talk about traditional games.Anyway, I've always seen Mork Borg as a mix of OSR module and OSR system all in one. I'd never run more than a few sessions in Mork Borg, but it's fun for the times you do play it. Obviously I pirate everything so I have no idea how much Mork Borg costs but for the pirate's price of "free" that's more than good value for money.If I wanted a long term campaign obviously I'd use something like Whitehack, but so what?
>>88986929The reason I frame my post the way I did is because OP (you??) posted this thread with a simple, bland statement rather than any prompt for discussion - hey, this game is fun. It's an invitation by a contrarian to argue with other contrarians. If you are OP, then goddamn, try harder next time. Saying you like a thing or a thing is pretty good is not a thread starter. Or I guess it could be, sometimes, but with this game on this board? I'm skeptical.As something you can roll up and just play quickly or easily vs a long term campaign - what is the benefit of Morkenbjorgen vs other games in the same vein?
>>88986858>>88986929>>88986928the art is fucking trashwhy do people praise it?It's badly scribbled shit designed to look intentionally bad
>>88987041I'm not the OP, I'm just a guy who got banned for wanting to talk about guns in fantasy. I even had specific questions as prompts because I fucking love fantasy guns.>what is the benefit?The tone. It's not better than alternatives, it's just different. Troika! is fun for entirely improvised unserious games, Electric Bastionland is fun for weird fantasy games where you care about some level of crunch, and Mork Borg is fun for grimderp dark fantasy where you play complete shitters.
>>88986706>>88986813This. FATAL is literally as edgy as it gets.
I don't know how Mork Borg manages to be a worse metal TTRPG than MYFAROG, but good lord does it fail spectacularly.
>>88986276"game"
>>88987902I noticed that we have been getting a number of "nogames" books that is more about "what if" worldbuilding ideas, kind of like the threads we get now.
>>88986276I like some of the ideas. the classes are pretty cool and I like the curse listbut the book is so horribly organized it's not really worth the time
>>88987958I think it's really just more of a setting book with a barebones game attached to it. The adventure included in the book is better laid out than the actual rules themselves so it's not like they can't organise the rules well. It might have been better of as an OSR setting book with some custom classes rather than a proper game.
It's fun to run. Players get on board very quickly. I like the tension of the armour and omens mechanics. System is very bare bones but building on it is easy and enjoyable.
>>88986437Most of trpg creators are liberal to alt-left
>>88988804>alt-leftWhat is that
Thanks jannie, I hope you are well compensated for your work. I might even tip you if you deal with the other, more stagnant issues we got here.
Pretty fun game, with a good aesthetic, but WAY too edgy and dark for my tastes.
>>88986552Honestly, though, I can't take it lightly. It's so mindlessly dark that it just drains all the fun out of it. It just feels too depressing, and it makes me kind of "shut down". I like games where the world is dangeous and death is just around the corner, but this is just meaningless and edgy for no good reason. Very good artsyle, though.
>>88986929>claims to not want a shitpost war>calls mork borg OSRPretending to act retarded is the same as acting retarded.
>pointing out mork borg shills is not allowedOy vey
>>88989265Idk if anyone would understand nu-sr unless they happened to be terminally online on the OSR general, so I said OSR.
>>88986276I played it for the first time last weekend, it was ok. I think as a oneshot you can just grab and have very little system learning to do its fine but for anything past that I don't think it would be that good
>>88986706lotfp
>>88986706Baddark
>>88989245It's the sort of grimdark that is like "You see a golem made of STITCHED TOGETHER BABIES. It hits you with its laser eye beam and TURNS YOU INTO A FLAMING SKELETON. You fumble an attack roll AND CUT YOUR MOM IN HALF (she was standing behind the golem and you didn't notice her until now). A portal to hell opens and demons devour her soul, tossing you a few gold coins in gratitude. The gold coins are cursed so your arms and legs are bent backwards. You look kind of funny now but so does everyone, so life goes on as usual"
Somehow they got Wayne juneBasedMÖRK BORG: The Dying World by Wayne Junehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlns2T5ZV8o
>>88986552I'm pretty sure that's the point. It's the Anal Cunt or Impaled Northern Moonforest of TTRPGs. It's a throwback to Euro metal bands trying to out-edgelord each other.
>>88987946It’s because rule zero fags think that because you can headcanon everything they shouldn’t have to write an actual setting and can just make a book with random aesthetic buzzwords and call it a day.
>>88988881Redditoid cope for leftism becoming institutionalized. In practice it means they double down on the most outlandish aspects of modern leftism and make "subtle" comments about their penchant for pedophilia/bestiality/etc
>>88986513>Everyone I've talked to who's played it has described it as an edgier version of Pretend with the occasional die roll.I've started calling these "improv prompts" instead of roleplaying GAMES.
>>88987960We’ve known that for years. The latest fucking warzone kickstarter was shitting up awg in the run up to their deadline. The non DND tabletop community is so small that they have to swarm absolutely every place they can just to make their money back.
>>88992038What does Warzone have to do with mork borg schizo Ones a miniature game from the 90s with a cult following and the other is a fairly recent rpg
>>88986276 This thing is the Tabletop version of The Dungeon of Fear and Hunger. HOLY SHIT! BEST IDEA! Still..Burn your book after the world ends is for suckers. Oh yeah, I'll just redownload the pdf no prob.
>>88986706Black Tokyo
>>88988018I really, really like Prophet of a Dead God just from an idea perspective. It’s such a wild idea, especially the idea that the aforementioned dead god speaks through you.
>>88986276It's fun in the same way 5E is fun. You and your friends make the time together fun in spite of the shortcomings of the ruleset.
>>88986706Racial Holy War
>>88992974RaHoWa needs a second edition.
>>88989875Don't be hyperbolic you fucking dunce.
>>88991943And you'd be wrong to do so :^)
>>88993078t. Tabletalk pro
>>88992404The deleted post mentioned that people spam their shitty products on tg. The comparison with warzone is that we had just experienced a similar phenomena this month with the shilling of their shit kickstarter, and that /tg/ remains a hotbed for shill campaigns.Perhaps next time we’ll see the quote with the strike thru and realize it wa sun reference go a now deleted post? Not all is schizophrenia when the jannies are cunts.
What was that polish end-of-the-world TTRPG where demons invaded, god was crucified to the sky, and his blood was drowning the land? I don't know if the system was worth a damn but it is probably my favorite setting pitch for "everythings fucked, fuck you, eat shit and die" grimdark
>>88992985It has one
>>88987902>>88987946>>88990172>It's nogames because...BECAUSE I SAID SO
>>88989875>It's the sort of grimdark that is like "You see a golem made of STITCHED TOGETHER BABIES. It hits you with its laser eye beam and TURNS YOU INTO A FLAMING SKELETON. You fumble an attack roll AND CUT YOUR MOM IN HALF (she was standing behind the golem and you didn't notice her until now). A portal to hell opens and demons devour her soul, tossing you a few gold coins in gratitude. The gold coins are cursed so your arms and legs are bent backwards. You look kind of funny now but so does everyone, so life goes on as usual"But remember that it's NEVER okay to be racist or sexist or homophobic or transphobic!
>>88994332Okay, a third. Becuase the version archived on 1d4chan is not playable as written.
>>88986706Hackmaster
>>88993113People just want Warzone to come back It’s not paid shilling it’s fanboy hype
>>88994360People have forgotten that violence/horror themes fall flat when not reinforced by bigotry. It makes the setting more believable when the characters are just as awful as their surroundings. After all, no-one found xenomorphs scary until it was revealed they were holocaust deniers.
>>88994707I was rooting for the xenomorphs.
>>88994707People can play whatever kind of character they want
>>88995044You can do that in any game. The thing about Mork Borg is it pretends to be EXTREME PUNK NO PULLED PUNCHES THIS IS GRIMDARK BITCHHHHH then virtue signals about how you shouldn't be a heckin chud.
>>88989875>>88986552Eh, it seems far too pretentious to be meant as a joke.Honestly, though, I just want to play with my ragtag team of adventurers going into dark places and narrowly escaping death, and slowly becoming more and more badass, not this shit.I want my dark woods with horrible secrets, sprawling underground catacombs filles with vile horrors and Despicable antagonists filled with malice, but I also want beautiful landscapes with hidden treasures, wonderful relics of times long past and noble heroes genuinely doing what's right.Without some genuinely good things, what's the of the bad stuff? When everything is 100% horrible, always, all the time it Just loses the appeal of fantasy, to me.I want to tell the tales of Beowulf, Roland and Hildebrand, with all their brutality, tragedy and death, and their heroism, valour and glory.
>>88995268Nah you'll get your racially harmonious trans-advocating dung heap shitcarts on a hill of overflowing photorealistic menstrual blood and you'll like it.
>>88995056Can you direct me to the section of the rules that asserts this? Or are you just seething over the fact the Swedes don't want to say the nigger word on their site?
>>88995302This has absolutely fucking nothing to do with politics. You can be a fucking post-civ, anarcho-syndacalist-transhumanist who thinks cis people shoud be exterminated for all I care, what matters is that you make good games.
>>88995439>what matters is that you make good games.Wow I can't imagine how livid you are at Mork Borg's creators then.
>>88995439>You can be a fucking post-civ, anarcho-syndacalist-transhumanist who thinks cis people shoud be exterminated for all I care>cis peopleLOL
>>88986706Lamentation of the flame princess
>>88996105That's fucking trash. At least Morkbork has a nice aesthetic.
>>88994707>People have forgotten that violence/horror themes fall flat when not reinforced by bigotry. It makes the setting more believable when the characters are just as awful as their surroundings. After all, no-one found xenomorphs scary until it was revealed they were holocaust deniersThis
>>88986706NechronicaI really wanna play it but yeah
>>88994707>>88996236>why don't black people want to be called slurs by the GM? immersion ruined!
>>88994348https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6mC_NHEGDYYes.
>>88997016>NOOOO that bad guy can't do bad guy things!
>>88997016>how do you expect me to consider this goblin a credible threat if he isn't a nazi?
>>88996976Can you play it solo?But I will just end up buying the manual and then never playing it just because I like the art
>>88996976Don't forget the prequel/alt universe Ventangle.
>>88994707Lmao based xenomorphs. Naturally a perfect predator would be able to smell bullshit from kilometers away.
>>88995056This is the weird thing about this whole "nu-punk" scene. They pretend to be hardcore on one hand but on the other hand start acting like kindergarten nannies "remember to play nice boys and girls! No mean words!"
>>88992435really? does it have mechanics for crawling around on the ground after getting raped? is there a pedophile running around the dungeon kidnapping children? can you assfuck a man and merge souls with him, creating a superbeing with the strengths of both characters? no? then shut the fuck up
Why do people associate this game with punk? It's mentioned every thread.
>>88999947Because retards shall be retards
>>88999947My guess is the people who are obsessed with aesthetics and made up rules about consent are also obsessed with “defining” nonsense words like punk
>>89001094>>89001738Does the game at any point reference punk? All I see are metal references.
>>88993724Monastyr?
>>88986706shadow of the demon lord
Been having a lot of fun with The Last War. Friend of mine has a LOT of shit for it. Been a blast to play and i get to use minis that I cant use anywhere else.
>>88995464There's that one idiot who got banned repeatedly for going off in every Mork Borg thread about how the real punks are Nazis and how Mork Borg using "punk" while the creators were talking about gender and cops were evil libs. These were paragraphs and paragraphs of how the Sex Pistols would have supported Hitler.
>>88992038>We’ve known that for years. The latest fucking warzone kickstarter was shitting up awg in the run up to their deadline.I fucking wishI said one fucking thing about it you fucking schizo. which is a shame i like warzone and did before the kikesharter>hurr hurr shullldon't say stupid and verifiable wrong shit
>>88989875Crapland Squared is literally written like this and it is glorious.
>>88993113SHILLING WARZONESHILLINGNIGGER THERE WAS 2 THREADS, NOT A SINGLE ONE REACHED BUMP LIMIT AND A TOTAL OF 10 POSTS IN AWGTHAT'S NOT FUCKING SHILLING.t. literally one of the niggers you mentionyou said the same shit when there were 3 posts about it. take meds.>>88994700it's hardly even that. there was more discussion of warzone when that guy started playing a year ago
>>89005038Did you get the gloomtrench add on or no? A bit shit for the money, but last war seems neat.
>>89005226>>89005206Its still shit.
>>89005246>Its still shit.what did anon mean by this?
>>89005246nahIt’s edgy like warhammer but owned by a literal who indie company and not GWAnd unlike mantic most of the sculpts don’t look like shit It’s still a kickstarter but it’s something I’ll be excited to play once it comes out next year assuming the reviews are good
>>89005236No haven't gotten that. Just the base game but it's been fun so far. I'll mention that to him and see if he's interested in it, he's going balls deep into it so I'm sure he might.
>>89005121>while the creators were talking about gender and copsOf course they were. Fucking establishment fags pretending they're so fucking dark and punk then spouting their leftist bullshit.
>>89005121you mean he's done the same thing every punk has done since the movement begain>they're not punk they're conformistsHe's half right though, 90% of punks are just conformists>hurr hurr I REPRESENT THE VALUES OF THE CURRENT SOCIETY BUT MOREWHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT, SO FUCKING EDGY RIGHT?actual nazi shit is edgy but it's also the most conformist this you could imagine.as far as i can see punk doesn't exist, everyone's a conformist and morkborg is a lame art show.
>>88997016I don't understand why white people want to say the n-word so bad. Why?
>>88994360This is it for me. Edgelordism has its place, but there's a genre of performative edge beloved by people who clutch their pearls unnaturally hard at anything "problematic"
>>89005121>Mork Borg using "punk"Where? Where are the punk references? Also I remember that guy. Total schizo.
>>89006496>performative edgeWell done, you spotted the joke. The edge factor is played for laughs. It's comically OTT. Most people don't find hatred funny so it's not included as part of the joke. I understand the reasoning. 40k started the same way and ended up attracting people who think edgelordism is a free pass for legitimate racism etc, and had to distance themselves from that side of the hobby. Moth Broth is just doing that early.
>>89006795cope
>>89006827How is this relevant in any way?
>>89006845>warhammer was left wing before the evil nahzees ruined itLOL
What is your favourite official Mork Borg adventure? I like goblin grind myself.
>>89007070>mention how the themes of 40k (which became massively edgier in the late 90s) were recently addressed by GW to call out idiots who took them as an endorsement of fascism>some moron posts a photo of ~40 year old models from a different gameBrainrot.
>>89007070>>89006827It's important as hobbyists to remember these lessons and appreciate how far we've come.It's also important as people to remember how commonplace this sort of shit was within living memory.
>>89007156>>89007167Games Workshop was never the company you imagined it to be
>>89007190>posting shit from the 80s againIs this you outing yourself as one of the morons who thought GW was endorsing fascism? That's embarrassing.
>>89007190People change anonThat how progress work
>>89007142Graves Left Wanting. Even if the final encounter is overtuned. Players have no idea what is going on which is hilarious.
>>89007070You can be left wing and racist. It's clear that you suffer from American brainrot.
>>88986929>If I wanted a long term campaign obviously I'd use something like Whitehack, but so what?LOL
>>88986706Cyberpunk 2020, specifically the lore. Pondsmith and his team got so much correct about the decline of the Western world, their only error was presuming greed as the primary driving factor rather than deep spiritual malice.It can be fun to show modern trend-chasing TTRPGers the lore to Cyberpunk and see them immediately and angrily connect it to Trump or Republicans or white supremacists, then show them it was created by a black man in the 1980s.
>>89008200I can tell from your writing patterns that you suffer from extreme homosexuality
>>89008236>deep spiritual maliceI can't take anyone seriously when they say dumb shit like this. You can tell they've never read anything 4chan didn't suggest them.
>>89006795>Most people don't find hatred funnylolget out of twitter for 5 minutes and go talk to real people. Go read any joke book written before the last decade. Go watch comedy movies made before the current zeitgeist. Laughing at the "other" has been a thing since humanity has been a thing.PS: Claiming that "X" isn't people is pretty fucking hateful you know
>>89008187>You can be left wing and racist.that bike incident that happened recently proves that a lot of them are>pregnant white nurse caught on camera by 5 black youth>clearly she stole the bike from these 5 guys and is "fake crying" to get these young black men killed and is drunk.
>>89008425It's ironic that you're clearly assuming your experience is the only experience.
>>89008546You're the one that said "most people" you retard. When there's clear historical evidence that most people are perfectly okay with hatred as jokes.It's fine if you want to go all "we should be better" but don't make statements like that and expect them to pass.
>>89008606I'm not the anon you replied to. I'm another anon whose personal experience also shows that most people don't find hatred funny. Remember that we're obviously not talking about racist jokes here, we're talking about over the top racism.
>>89008630>personal experiencevs>historical evidencehmmm>we're obviously not talking about racist jokes Even if you're not, having a villain call another character the "n-word" or the "r-word" would not put off most people outside of twitter.You nigger retard.
>>89008425I said most people don't find hatred funny. Note FIND is present tense. Whether people FOUND that shit funny in the past is irrelevant because we're talking about a modern game.
>>89008683>he thinks humanity changed in the past 5 yearsagain, get out of twitter dude.
>>89008668Think of all the narrative options lost by not having a villain that calls the PCs retards. It's enough to make you weep. I can't believe the Swedes will take me away if my NPCs use slurs. Have they no respect for verisimilitude?
>>89008710The trend is observable over more than 5 years. Especially among younger Western audiences i.e. the target demographic.
>>89008469Only Americans can be so retarded to see a pregnant nurse being attacked by blacks and think"This pregnant woman must be attacking the 5 adult black men"It is like these people live in bizzarro world. Pregnant women attack black gangs, 12 year old church boys attack protestors, etc. Liberalism really is a mental illness.
>>89008717I'm not the anon saying that you have to have villains calling people niggersI'm just saying you're a fucking retard if you believe "most people" don't find hatred funny.In fact, I bet you personally, find hatred funny, it's just not funny if it's hatred against specific kinds of people that you consider "punching down".>>89008734All that changed are the valid targets for hatred.
>>89008838Go on then anon. Who is the hatred directed at nowadays? Who are the poor victims?
>>89008968I'm not saying that there's specific groups that are targeted, I'm saying there's specific groups that aren't allowed to be targetedFurtheremore, that is only tangential to my point that humans find hatred funny.But I'll bet you keep trying to focus on this instead of the main point cause you have no actual arguments left besides trying to drag me into some other completely unrelated argument.You nigger faggot.
>>89009062>people find hatred funny!Who is the butt of the joke then?>no-one in particular We know it's you anon. You don't have to pretend you don't feel like a victim.
>>89009142>Who is the butt of the joke then?For example, the koreans love hating on the japanese. South americans all love to make jokes shitting on other south americans and gringos.Rednecks love making jokes about black people.Everyone loves shitting on poles and turks.>We know it's you anon. You don't have to pretend you don't feel like a victim.>But I'll bet you keep trying to focus on this instead of the main point cause you have no actual arguments leftKnew it.
>>88989601>>88996105I like LotFP until they made THAT book
>>89009209>Knew it.Don't mention shit you don't want people to respond to then you dumb cunt. Furthermore don't try to wrangle it into a strawman gotcha moment either. It's pathetic. All I asked for was an example of this alleged hatred you think is a cornerstone of comedy so we can assess how that style of comedy would translate into Mong Bong. I just need one example of this widespread phenomenon. Just one.
>>89008236>deep spiritual maliceJust say judaism, my dude.(Or to be more precise, 2000 years of butthurt over being forced to pay due respect to Jupiter, the Best and Greatest, by the Romans.)
>>89009321>was an example of this alleged hatred you think is a cornerstone of comedyDid you skip the first part of the post? I gave you plenty of examples.>All I asked forNo, YOU were trying to do a gotcha and you're only trying to scramble to get some form of argument now that I didn't bite your bait.
>>89009515>I gave you plenty of examples.You said "thing is happening" while providing no evidence of thing. Can you show me an example of what you claim to be happening?What gotcha are you accusing me of?
>>89009595Do I have to actually post some jokes about black/japanese/poles/turks people for you to believe rednecks/koreans/everyone/everyone likes to make racist jokes about them?Yeah fuck off, you're just being disingenuous now to save face.
>>89009642>Do I have to actually post some jokesYes. Because I want to see what you personally interpret to be a hateful joke.
>>89009678>you personallyWhat I personally interpret as hateful has nothing to do with the argument. You are desperately trying to bring me personally into this for some reason, and I'm not gonna bite into your bullshit. Bring actual arguments or fuck off.
>>89009710Hatred means different things to different people anon. What's more, jokes people didn't consider hateful in the past are considered hateful now. I'm trying to understand where you're coming from.
>>88995397Not that guy, but the cyberpunk version had an explicit rule that you couldn't support capitalism.
>>89005121Isn't he right, though? I thought being a punk means opposing the establishment. Supporting LGBT, blacks, feminism and transfolx is basically the most common thing ever, even companies are getting in on it.
>>89009900
>>89009966Is that an actual page?If so, cringe
>>88986706Over the EdgeEdge of the EmpireLot5R, Genesys, Adventures in Rokugan and Midnight since 2022 or so
Here's a test for you. If this version https://jnohr.itch.io/mrk-borg-free still holds up and you're interested to play, than it's not all hype.
>>89009900I get that. But the original version in no way claimed to be punk.
>>88986706GURPS
>>88994348Don't reply to schitzoids, let the rot.
>>88986276I personally prefer Pirateborg, and also love the fact that the writer is such a cuck that because of a "racially insensitive monster," I'm ending up with a second book for free while the creator loses money to a "sensitivity editor."
>>89007474What is it about?
>>88995397Not Morkborg, but here's an official post from the creator of Pirateborg (as I mentioned here >>89010406). Because of the "rope monkey," the retard actually just gave anyone who wanted a free hardback book a new copy with the edit or allowed you to get a sanitization sticker to cover up the bad word and rename the rope monkey into a deck ghoul. >https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/limithron/pirate-borg/posts/3716964It's fucking hilarious.
>>89009300Which one
>>89010437>Not MorkborgDon't care didn't ask.
>>89009921Big corps are the ones pushing it. "Diverse" workplaces have lower worker fraternity and are thus less likely to unionize. Trannies need to be on hormones for life so are primo customers for big pharma and also cosmetic industry (they wear more makeup than real women). Blacks are more prone to conspicuous consumerism (buying flashy useless stuff as a status symbol) and so on.
>>89010671Oh crap I got banned from Mork Borg
>>88986706World of Darkness
>>88986276Mork Borg, Pirate Borg and Cy_Borg have become my group's defacto "shit we're down 1-2 players at a pivotal moment so we don't want to run without them, lets do something else" systems.Pirate Borg is especially good considering how shit the Pirate RPG scene has been in the past decade-plus, especially with how disappointing the Sea of Thieves RPG was.
>>88987134FILTEREDILTERED
>>89009966>Make a genre about the horrors of late stage capitalism as it begins to incorporate transhumanism>Make an RPG where you play the common struggling low-life>Surprised when it says the corpos aren't your friends.
>>89010758Go look up "Impalement of Polish Captain Rosinsky" if you want to see the horrors of communism instead>Captain Rosinsky of the Polish Army, in 1918, caught by a squad of Russian communists. The bolshevik leader, renegade Warsaw Jew Berson, commissar of the Red Army, is encouraging his squad to cut Rosinsky's genitals cut off with a wood saw and drive a sharpened branch into his bowels. Rosinsky's head is blackened from the fire underneath him ...
>>89010940Why do newfags do this dumb whataboutism when people call out large megacorporations and latestage capitalism as being something bad? You can be against all of that while also not being a raging communist, it's not a binary thing you retard.
>>89010954>Using communist rhetoric>I'm not a communist thoughSure buddy.Call it supercapitalism then. That's what Mussolini called it.
>>89010940But its a cyberpunk game. Do you know the genre at all?>"I really like Paranoia but I don't want to have "Friend Computer" there.">"I really like D&D but want to omit, the Dragons, Dungeons and other fantasy trappings."Its the core theme of the game and agreed, people who against this would be better off playing SLA industries or something along those lines.
>>89011756Not him, but... eh? If there's one trend about post-2000 cyberpunk, it's that working with the Man is the path to badass 'ware and bitchin' black outifts. Syndicate, Deus Ex: Human Revolution, etc. Hell, even in the glory days of "fuck the system, fuck the corporations" 80s punk, it was arguably way more ancap than commie.
>>89010758Playing the boot is fun too faggot.
>>89010954>>89011370I refuse to accept the use of the terms "capitalism" or "late-stage capitalism" to describe an economy consisting almost entirely of state-owned or finance cartel-owned enterprises (and wherein the finance cartels literally control the government). The term for this has been well-understood since ancient Greece as an "oligarchy." >>89011756Despite the territorial revisionism of the left, the cyberpunk genre does not at all imply leftist politics. The original works in the genre were explicitly libertarian or full Randian egoism. In more mature works, they considered the full downsides of both ends of the spectrum when confronted with the unstoppable force of technology.
>>89011817>fuck the corporations" 80s punk, it was arguably way more ancap than commie.No, ancap is right winged version of libertarianism. punks gravitate more towards the communal aspect of left wing forms of libertarianism but because the right has co-opted the term most people will just view themselves as anarchists or anarcho-socialists.>inb4 nothing wrong with ancapwe forget how bad shit was capitalism was unregulated like in the 1800s. We were eating rats and saw dust and accidental human remains in ground meats. We were producing cool products with radio active materials and cancer causing substances. The poor CEOs did it just to keep that edge “to stay in business”. It took a big government push to fix shit.right libertarianism/anarcho-capitalism is just a garbage ideology who have diluted themselves into thinking that without government multimillion dollar corporations will magically start putting the consumer and it's workers before profits.
>>89011756>DUDE BLADE RUNNDER ISN'T CYBERPUNK BECAUSE DECKARD IS WORKING FOR THE BAD GUYSYou're a fucking retard
Best comedy game, though I suspect it was not intentional.
>>88994397>Okay, a third. Becuase the version archived on 1d4chan is not playable as written.I wrote a draft for RAHOWA PBTA a year ago but got bored
>>89012008Cool, none of that is relative, retard.
>>89005754I don't have any burning desire to say it. I do have a burning desire to not have my thoughts and language policed by a fucking 'entertainment' product. It's a clear marker of hypocrisy to present oneself as edgy and transgressive then lay out rules of decorum that are in lockstep with current politically correct ideals.
>>89011958>today I will remind anon that libertarianism was originally a left-wing movement until Americans appropriated the term
>>89012420>thoughts and language policedIt applies only to what they want to host on their site. As ever, you can do whatever you like in your games. Assuming you play games.
>>89012054Is this Deckard who ends up disobeying his superiors and becoming their enemy?
>>89012306>PBTAThis has to be some kind of troll right? Like even more than people who pretend to like RaHoWa
>>89008668Ah yes. All the historical evidence of...OhUmWell, I'm sure we've got some showing that people nowadays find hatred hilarious somewhere.
>>89013079No idea, I never finished the movie
>>89013106Nah, I already got the okay to use the PBTA license from the guy.
>>88998588That's just horny cyberpunk
>>89013133No, the taking the "if we didn't know any better you'd think it was a parody of the extreme right" and remaking it in the "gayes ruleset ever" part.
>>89013079Deckard literally works for the bad guys>who ends up disobeying his superiors and becoming their enemyConfirmed for never having watched blade runner
>>89012054It's CyberNoir in Blade Runner's case. He knows things are bad but he doesn't get mad.
>>89013226>falls in love with a replicant and goes on the runHe was only following orders?
>>89013254The anon just desperately wants to be right and should probably have watched the theatrical cut with those shitty voiceovers that explain the plot.
>>89013200You'd think I'd just do that? Not treat rahowa seriously?
>>89013120Serious question what are people like you even doing on 4chan?
>>89013033>>today I will remind anon that libertarianism was originally a left-wing movement until Americans appropriated the termand the enlightenment was good until the continentals got their grubby retard hands on it
>>89013120https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriotic_NigrasNewfags get out
>>89013120and also this nigga right here >>89008630how the fuck you think you are, running your mouth, pretending hatred isn't fucking funny. half of the best and raunchiest fucking jokes around were "hatred",
>>89013823As I said before, leftists live in bizzarro world >>89008757We have these fags coming onto 4CHAN OF ALL PLACES trying to tell us racism isn't funny.
>>89013033This is absolutely bizarre and you should be embarrassed to even engage in this sort of "we wuzzing." Yes, we all know that anything good must have originally been leftist and anything bad must have initially been right wing, because you equate the term "left" with "good" and "right" with "bad."
>>89013254He follows orders for 99% of the movie you fucking spastic>>89013263The theatrical cut is the original cutcope more about it if you want to
>>89014003This nigga didn't understand bladerunner lmao.
>>89013823If you think Chapelle's jokes came from a place of hatred you need to get off twitter.
>>89013781Not the anon you're replying yo but thats shock humour, not hatred. People don't find genuine hatred disguised as comedy funny because it's people trying to express their genuine beliefs through a layer of post-irony. The appeal of shock humour lies in the fact that it is shocking, risqué and in bad taste. Like the whole pools closed thing is largely funny because of its absurdity, you have a bunch of black gentlemen with afros blocking of a pool while standing in the formation of a swastika and saying "pools closed due to aids", its both offensive and utterly absurd. A lot of shock humour on the oldweb was like this and if you compare old offensive Newgrounds, 4chan and Something Awful shit to modern day chan humour the difference is night and day. When a modern 4channer tries to do shock humour nine times out of ten it's just some variation on "kill niggers, when you kill nigs xD" or the like. The punchline is simply "I hate this group xD" and is usually circlejerked. Not that I see what any of this have to do with Mörk Borg.
>>89014522Ding ding ding you finally get it you retard.You think you're fighting against slavery or something with your constant gay internet crusading, but you're really just harassing amateur Dave Chapelles, who don't really enjoy that there is a self-appointed moral nanny trying to signal to the world how upstanding they are by making constant political statements about how horrible it is for minorities when someone says nigger.
>>89014819Half the time we were harassing furfags purely for being gay internet weirdos. The other half the time we were going "oh lawdy I want me some chikkin". There was no rhyme to it at all, it was just people having fun. Nothing has changed since then. The only thing that has changed is that suddenly leftist groups realized there were people like us on the internet and started shitting their pants in outrage for not being politically correct.
>>89010758This and Ironically enough, some people criticized exactly this one rule with “don’t tell me what to do” and stuff, that they could make a “good” corporation that is trying to help the humanity and so on… I mean is a a Cyberpunk game in a cyberpunk setting about cyberpunk things, what they expected?>>89011932>Playing as bandit in DnD is fun too faggot.>Playing as evil powerful dragon in DnD is fun too faggot.>Just... be... DM? HELL NO! I want be the player! Evil dragon player wahooo!!This is you
>>89013159It's actually the alternative timeline as well.One where instead of war and necromancy taking over the world horny elves created god and dropped a colony in Osaka bay.
>>89010758>>89015236"Cyberpunk but you can't play ghost in the shell, bladerunner, or the first half of deus ex" is worthless.
>>89015635Its sad that people don’t understand the cyberpunk genre.Ahh..that remind me, back in the dark ages of 2013 or 14, some people were furious that Shadowrun Returns had a massive plot point about evil corporations and the usual defense was "But in my tabletop campaign of Shadowrun, we're just cool cyber agents, why does it have to have a message?"
>>89015236>Playing as bandit in DnD is fun too faggot.Yes, evil campaigns are fun. You'd know that if you weren't a no-games retard.>they could make a “good” corporation that is trying to help the humanity and so on… I mean is a a Cyberpunk game in a cyberpunk setting about cyberpunk things, what they expected?Cosa Nostra, Mr. Lee's Greater Hong Kong, Ng Security Industries, Section 9, even Tessier-Ashpool (depending on your views on AI supremacy). It's wild how you people have decided your entire view of this genre is the only correct one without having actually read any of the foundational works of the genre.
>>89011756Need to make up vodkapunk which is about the horrors of living in a crumbling, leaking soviet tenement and having to stand in line for bread. I guess Papers Please already exists but no name for the genre.
>>89015892>Yes, evil campaigns are fun. You'd know that if you weren't a no-games retard.You just nothing more than henchmen. A bandit henchmen
>>89015236>If you want to play the evil overlord's shock tropps you need to be the DM.Retard-sama...
>>89009966>>89010758The very existence of corporations (entities licensed and given special treatment by the government) means the system isn't 'capitalism'.>>89013033The anarchists were originally individualist until the commies violently subverted the movement.
>>89013520Why would you?
>>89016171Proudhonism lends itself pretty well to mutualist and individualist strains of anarchism.
>>89015057To shift this back on topic, we're talking about a system where the joke is OTT edge. "White people be like" jokes and other observational comedy doesn't really fit. Instead, characters would have to be so ridiculously racist that it becomes funny. I can't think of a successful example for the exact reasons I stated earlier: this would simply resemble genuine hatred and become uncomfortable. This is why I asked for an example of the kind of jokes you considered hateful, because it turns out they're not hateful at all.
>>89013823We're not talking about racist jokes. We're talking about depictions of racism. Jesus Christ, READ.
>>89013744Because they're telling the truth when they say you're here forever. Doesn't matter how much you personally change or how shit the site gets.
>>89017015To expand>Murderkill the Wicked wears boots fashioned from the hide of stillborn infants so his footsteps are as silent as their criesis comically awful writing and there are infinite imaginative ways this joke can be made. However>old man Nate Higgers hanged 165 mandingos yesterday and is sad because so far today he's only hanged 97isn't imaginative in the slightest. Racism pushed to levels that should be comical still just resembles genuine racism.
>>89015091Furfags where being harassed for harbouring actual pedos and zoophiles and rubbing their fetishises in other people's faces, the whole fried chicken thing is just poking fun at stereotypes. If you don't see the difference with that and modern day /pol/-style humour where the punchline is how much you wanna kill niggers you're retarded.
>>89016488Most anons here don't read political philosophy. He doesn't understand what you're talking about, to the average anon there is only communism and everything else and everything else is right wing.
>>89017077>just resembles genuine racismchadyes.webp
>>89010449Knowing JER III and his drinking buddies, it would be a significant contingent of those books.
>>89016010Yes, characters that are henchmen for a lich/ beholder/ dragon/ fiend/ great old one exist. In fact, there's even a whole class devoted to playing as them. If WotC or Paizo dropped a note in their next edition saying that playing that kind of campaign or character was against the rules, you would see similar backlash, because it's a pretty retarded rule. As a side note, CP:2020 and CP:R have classes for playing as a corporate sympathizer too: the corpo/ exec. Again, you'd know this if you actually played games.
>D&D is a garbage fire system that tries to let players do anything with any theme to the point people are trying to use it to play star wars and pink tieflings are running around next to gritty lotr characters>and thats why cy_borg is bad for having a focus
>>89007190Dont worry anon, GW got their redemption
>>89023393Sounds gay ngl.
>>89017372It reminds me of those conservative memes that say "what life under socialism is like" over a picture of modern day Detroit.When you point that out they'll say Detroit is run by liberal socialist communists
