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What's the best way to start collecting Leagues of Votann?Boarding Patrol, Combat Patrol or try and ebay the original box even though the codex is gonna be obsolete
>>88985584Collecting necrons and not collecting leagues of votann.
Our time is nigh, brothers. Expectations?
>>88985602nothing, didn't GW say that they wouldn't do space marine chapters?
What's the most based 40k faction?
Thoughts on the Speed Freeks game?
>>88985602>GKI wish I was 13 again.
>>88985611They said they'd go over all the typically divergent chapters at once. Today is Grey Knights though as they said yesterday.>>88985622It's 40k anon, it's all for your inner 13 year old.
>>88985622>13 was 20 years ago
>>88985584You might be able to grab the original box off amazon or something for around $200 USD. That's what I did a couple months ago. It's the best model per dollar for them, even if the codex was made obsolete before you could even buy the thing normally.
It's confirmed that the Imperial Fists deployed the Phalanx in the 4th Tyrannic War.Do the Tyranids have anything that can beat the Phalanx in a space battle? I don't think they do. It's already over.
Has GW ever given an update on the status of the Calixis Sector and all it's lore built into it?
Just how over do you think it is, GK bros?With TS stratagem revealed yesterday turning off all of our weapons, how will jews workshop push us down even further?
>>88985575>TQShould.That nids use females as birthing pods.I only know human females are used but it could be possible any femoid could work for the process. Which now that I think of it, it could one of the reason why women tend to play nids. Deep down they want to BUGGED
>>88985630Mari is a girl though???
So it's GK?Stealers never?
>>88985635The nids have the numbers. Most likely have more numbers than the Phalanx has ammunition a hundred times over.
>>88985575>What's the most obscure 40k lore bit you know that 40k can do without or should make more known to the wider audience?Foot sweat of eldar girls can cure any disease.
>>88985640>Has GW ever given an update on...GW gave an update on Cadia. It exploded.GW gave an update on the Nid fleet about to eat Baal. It exploded.GW gave an update on Octarius. It exploded.Best course scenario at this point is for GW to ignore the setting, anon.
Wow, he completely forgot this time.
>>88985682Not the first time
>>88985682Small indie developer I mean game company
>>88985660>Cadia explodedYes>Baal explodedProof that it did? I don't remember Baal blowing up.>Octarius explodedPretty sure the Tyranids won and just ate the ork empire instead of the planets just exploding.
Does the Imperium have fast food culture? Like burgers, pizza, hot dogs or whatever?
>>88985682Maybe it's TS again today, just to make sure everyone reads it.
>>88985698>>Baal explodedNo no, he meant the Nids attacking Baal exploded.
>>88985704The upcoming Rogue Trader videogame has a hotdog vendor in the trailer.
>>88985704They have some sort of rat meat fast food on Necromunda, I think.
>>88985584Get the army box then the boarding patrol. Alternatively get the combat and boarding patrols. Landfortess could be your next purchase once you want to buy again.
>>88985704Every planet is different but it does/can exist
>>88985704In the grim darkness of the far future there is only fast food
>>88985618Looks really good, game play looks fun and the art style is cartoony enough to match the ork theme. Only thing that would make it better is more kustom vehicles but I doubt they'll do that.Me and my buddies got into the alpha, hoping it's really good.
>>88985704Some world's would.Like almost all questions about imperial culture and norms, it depends on the planet. The imperium isn't a culturally or socially homogeneous block. It's a collection of semi isolated fuedal territories that beyond a handful of very specific rules can do whatever the fuck they want without much oversight. So things vary wildly.
That's a 2+ save on a non-termy unitAnd it's also a condensed nemesis force weapon profile...
>>88985739Steam only though right?
>>88985704Yeah dude chicken tikka and fish and chips are all the rage in the grimdark future
Carrier has arrived
Another plauge marine really to shit things upUnfortunately since they were nerf'd into useless nugles domain will be limited to the shelf for the foreseeable futureI also have around 25 generic CSMs that iv stripped and are waiting for a new coat of paint
Anti-infantry 2+ flames
>>88985753>GK are a 2+save armyWEARETHEHAMMER someone post the image of the GK in the hospital with the SoB blood drip
>>88985647>GirlShe's actually 34 in the 2nd movie, 48 in the 3rd one. She stopped ageing because the pilot liquid has that side effect, however, she must've been exposed to it around 1998, at the age of 16+.This isn't a spoiler, it's just never explained why she calls Gendo a "boy". Pic related is her, with a young Gendo Ikari
Strat to protect from anything more than pistol range away
>>88985743>>88985733>>88985753Lmao literally useless time to sell your Grey Knights boys. How the fuck can they get Thousand Sons so right and fuck up Grey Knights so bad?
>>88985754Not sure, I got the alpha on steam. It wouldn't surprise me if it made its way to consoles.
>>88985771Yeah, girl, woman, same thing, I know she's a friend of Shes biologically FEMALE is my point!
STRIKE THEM DOWN WITH ALL YOUR MIGHT
>Our Faction Focus series continues next week as we delve into the final few factions remaining – starting with the Drukhari.Edgelord Eldar Monday
>>88985782>2 CP for mortals on 6Holy fucking shit this is awful lmao
>>88985789Just target the grandmaster in dk
>>88985775Oh you going to complain about your basic dudes being 2+ and swinging 3-attack S6 -2 Damage-2 force weapons, huh
>>88985765These models look so dated
>>88985654Energy weapons don't run out of ammo. Checkmate.
>>88985785lets go, now will they change power from pain?
>>88985575YES! DRUKHARI NEXT!EFF GREY KNIGHTS!
>Eldar are masters of psychic abilities! They don't suffer penalties for failing Psychic rolls and they don't have Hazardous>Oh btw neither do Thousand Sons or Grey Knights. In fact those two can't even fail their Psychic abilities.
>>88985801> 100% without a doubt costs more than an intercessor>Has to be in melee range>Does less damage than reroll bolt rifleslol, lmao
>>88985733It is so over.No charge bonuses.Redeployment after you enemy shot you off the table is worthless.GMDK not having lone operative means it dies turn 1.I expected nothing and now I want to kms.
>>88985759No Leader keywordDamn it would have been funny to attach him to a squad
>>88985819no lone operative either, gotta hide him or he'll get blasted
>>88985635the phalanx got fucked when trazyn unleashed genestealers in it in BFG so I think they'll be fine
>>88985813Eh, wait until you see them all
>>88985733They always were Donut Steel Nothing Personnel Kids
Thousand sons bros we fucking won
>>88985813And yet again elderfags swoop in to cry their eyes out at any faction getting good rukes
>>88985834IT'S SO FUCKING OVER I'M BURNING ALL MY FUCKING GREY KNIGHTS ON TWITCH LIVE STREAM FUCK YOU JAMES LOYALTY IS NOT ITS OWN REWARD FUCK YOU FUCK YOU
>>88985667Have a little faith bro
>demons are all about deep striking>so are the demon hunter factionheh
>>88985781Yeah. I was just messing with anon lol. Plus i just watched the movies
>>88985810T-the Ph-phalanx is a machine that is breaking d-down slowly.N-nidxisters.
Space Marine 2 doesn't have a release date does it?
>>88985834>ZERO defensive abilities against psychic>all their random weapons have psychic tag (unlike Tsons) so everyone will getting a 4+++ against them>faction AND detachment ability is a useless teleport gimmickmogged so hard by Tsons, it's actually impossible for grey knights to beat Tsons in 10th
>>88985834I hate 1k sons but I hate GK more. I guess you nerds get to take this W for now.
>>88985812Hell yeah. Worth the wait, I hope.
>>88985759Only WS 3+, even with the sword?Isn't he supposed to be the equivalent of a SM captain?
>>88985844anyone else notice a lack of daemon in any of the grey knights rules? what’s up with that?
>>88985849Kek, fair enough>>88985844Makes sense, if your enemy is hyper mobile then you want to be as well. And they're both using warp travel so it kinda makes sense from that standpoint too.
>>88985839>I'M BURNING ALL MY FUCKING GREY KNIGHTSYou're gonna look like that Warhammer Fantasy dope who burned his elf army and posted it on Youtube. We'll all be laughing at you.
>>88985831It wasn't just genestealers. Trazyn teleported an entire swarm of Tyranids into the reactor chamber of the Phalanx and somehow the Tyranids instead of infesting the vessel rigged the reactor to explode.That's pure nonsense that won't happen in the actual canon.
Previews like this make me realise this edition is gonna be a joke.
I've realised that there appears to be a serious lack of assault weapons shown so far. Even things like Orks are lacking it
>>88985753>3 attacksSo where are those retards that were saying firstborn would just get 2? Every marine has the same stats now.
>>88985759>BS3>WS3It's so fucking over I'm fucking hanging myself
>>88985862The teleport gimmick is very far from useless.
>>88985877Because as we all know the quality of the game is dependent on how well the GK book previews
>>88985743>>88985733>nemesis weapons (hammer included) are a single S6 profile>psycannon is only S8 and AP-1>all psychic powers to dish out MWs are gone>in tougher vehicle favoring editiongrey knights are going to have an extremely tough time against vehicles, right? >inb4 strikes end up being same price as a generic marine and get spammed into eternity
>>88985862>so everyone will getting a 4+++ against them>1CP stratIts a good defense, but you're full of doomposting shit. Thats not everyone, and thats not every turn.
I'm gonna buy some GK. Fucking update made me want them.
>>88985885>one faction does average 3 mortal wounds to back line units over the entire game>one faction free and reactively deepstrikes 4 units every turn
>>88985882>WHAT DO YOU MEAN I HAVE TO ROLL TO HIT?!Be gone faggot
>>88985635The Phalanx got fucked hard by Chaosfags at Cadia anon. There's going to be a LOT more nids than Chaosfags at crucial battles (where it's gonna be) and they will absolutely, if you'll pardon the expression, zerg it.
>>88985871Probably balance. If you make an entire army a hard counter to one faction, and with no rules regarding anyone else, it makes for shit rules that aren't fun.
>>88985759HE'S A BUFF BABY WHO CAN DANCE LIKE A MAN
>>88985893This is probably the worst fucking post ever made on /tg/. The most elite unit of the Ordo Malleus has the same aiming capabilities as a fucking electrician on an Eldar craftworld.
>>88985871Making half their rules only work against daemons isn't good design. Either they are shit against everything except daemons or they are good against everything and particularly great against daemons in which case no one will play daemons against them.
>>88985871Hopefully it means they are being balanced around fighting everyone, with their anti-Daemon prowess limited to a strat, as it should be
>>88985813Eldar factions are joke factions. How long will it take you to realize that?
Tyranid and Necron bros, how are you coping with having the worst faction rules?
>>88985886all depends on how reliably they can deliver themselves into combat, I imagine. Maybe we'll see GK land raiders return though. Those went extinct with dreadknights and storm ravens.
>>88985904>GK ARE A MELEE RACE>ws3+
>>88985892If both factions had exactly the same units and the only difference was the army rule you'd be right. But that's not the case. GK have nowhere near the amount of firepower AdMech gets.
>>88985759>Rerollable hits, wounds, and damageFucking nuts if he doesn't get blown off the table turn 1 (he will)
>>88985897The Phalanx traded blows with a Blackstone Fortress and the Vengeful Spirit. Note that the Tyranids don't have anything of that caliber of firepower.
>>88985618Fun af but kinda barebones and gets old rather quickly due to lack of any sort of metagame aspects or shit like customization of your vehicles. It has a really solid foundation for a great game tho, the base gameplay is extremely entertaining imo.I love speeding around in the Shokkjump Dragsta and blasting gits with the shokkriffle. It feels so rewarding to nail some fucker with that gun while we're both driving at full speed.
>>88985920Better hope you make that fucking 9" charge lmao
>>88985904>>88985907The duality of men.
>>88985909By not being DG.
>>88985920>he willhe won't
>>88985921Why would they need when they have bugs big enough that can just eat the space station whole?
>>88985904Still just a Space Marine chud
>>88985909kekrons are used to it, tyranids are good
GK suddenly think they're too good for hitting on 3sVery suddenly, I've certainly never seen them claim this before
>>88985945Are you retarded
>>88985924It is Alpha though right? Seems like a promising start
>>88985945On their captains though?
>>88985945Tau Commanders hit on 3+ in melee too
>>88985945No, they're not. But a grandmaster of the fucking Grey Knights absolutely is. Is there ANY single previewed army leader unit so far that hits on 3s, let alone 4s? This is probably the worst faction preview so far.
Reminder that you don't actually want reduced lethality, just the other factions to be worse than yours.
>>88985759>Surge of WrathRemember, Kids: Less Rerolls this edition
>>88985952Yeah, it is alpha hence why I don't really care about the game being barebones atm. Like I said, they have a great foundation onto which to build.
>>88985958Based Imperial Truth
>>88985934>Have to pay 1CP for Lone operativeI don't know about you but i'd rather not play GK at all.
>>88985930DG bros it's so fucking over
GK can have teleporting land raiders filled with terminatorsand good thing the GMNDK got nerfed, hated seeing that shitthe era of classic 5e GK has returned
>>88985969>Lone operative on a fucking vehicle or squad of paladinsIt's good you retard
>>88985957did you miss DG? because DG makes this preview look like pre-nerf votan in 9th
>"GK lost">Teleports 3 units end of enemy player turn every turnLol?Lmao?You guys really are fucking nogames losers aren't you
>>88985983You're right and I apologise. Sorry DG bro.
>>88985979Landraiders aren't going to have it as a keyword bro.
>>88985979>teleports a spartan with 10 paladins and a grand master insidenice
>>88985979When you can teleport, what do you want a Land Raider for?
>>88985997I really like this land raider anon, you got a conversion guide for it?
>>88985988Yeah dude can't wait to teleport and then shoot my s4 rapid fire 2 ap 0 bolters at you and fail charges. Are you fucking insane? Deep Strike is useful when part of your army uses it to catch your opponent off guard with powerful units not when your entire army of random trash shuffles around the board and uselessly does nothing afterwards.
>>88985983I thought death guard were resilient and inured to suffering, not whiny little bitches.
>>88985979>Two teleporting landraiders each turn>Purgation squads always being able to hit with their psycannons>All nemesis weapons being S6 Ap-2 D2 (nerf to hammers but boost to everything else)Looks good to me
>thinking a weak rules preview can break the morale of the emperor's final creationI SURVIVED THE OPENING OF 8TH, MOVEMENT GIMMICK DETACHMENTS AND WS3+ GRAND MASTERS WILL NOT DEFEAT ME
>>88985957He's piloting a mech. Obviously operating a robot's arm holding a sword or cannon is not the same as doing it in person, and so it will always be more unwieldy.
>>88986010Sincerely doubt it.
>>88985988It’s a gimmick rule, nothing more
Do 10E Grey knights have anti daemon rules? Eh maybe that'll come from a Detachment.One nobody will use because everyone will be too busy teleporting around
>>88986017Insane levels of coping, never before seen on this bow
>>88986017>He's piloting a power armour. Obviously operating a power armour's arm holding a sword or cannon is not the same as doing it yourself, and so it will always be more unwieldy.Retard.
>>88985994Just needs the faction keyword.>Teleporting GKs will be able to threaten all objectives on the board that aren't continuously held as they can constantly redeploy wherever.May actually be very good for objectives
>>88985613Necrons I think - they fucked the whole galaxy, went on a big nap and take what's theirs by force (why bother to negociate with pests?)
>>88986022I could see use as daemons look to be a menace in 10th due to the battleshock bonus they get of regenning wounds and models
>>88986021Mobility is the most important thing in Warhammer.If you don't see how the GK army rule and detachment ability aren't good, you're an idiot.
>>88986019even if they did why would you teleport a full transport when the units cant leave it after, just teleport the units
>>88986019why wouldn't they? its the army rule
What is even left after this? I just want 10th to drop now once they get the faction focuses done with.
>>88986006It's a regular land raider with this upgrade pack:https://www.ebay.com/itm/263144141804?hash=item3d449cf3ec:g:9nsAAOSw-iNZkNnjI half regret it because while it does look really cool it costed me twice as much as a regular land raider it to convert a proteus land raider with an assault ramp only for GW to announce a plastic proteus with assault ramp two months later.
>>88986007>and fail chargesWhy would you fail charges anon?It's not deepstrike. It's deep strike at end of you opponents turn. You get to move then charge in yours.>>88986021You are retarded
>>88986043Dark Eldar, GSC
>>88986040>the units cant leave it afterThey can in 10th. And with land raiders they can move and charge.
>>88986046thats sucks, but it does look really cool
>>88986021If you can't see the value in free teleports every turn for a game that revolves around objectives and board control you're a new special kind of retarded.
>>88986047> It's deep strike at end of you opponents turnNo you retard. You pick them up at the end of their turn and deploy during your reinforcements like normal.
>>88985954>>88985957hes in a clunky ass dreadknight, which used to have a bracketed profile. any money the grandmaster on foot stays 2+/2+
>>88986025Power armor becomes a part of the wearer through a whole implant designed to connect the suit to his nerves, the mech is not the same
>>88986006Looks like a regular plastic one with Blood & Skulls tracks. Been meaning to do something similar to recreate pic related.
CONS>falchion and daemon hammer no longer unique profiles>OC 1 on Purgation squad>feel more like Psychic items and not powers>Psylincer is trash now>Are rule is bad. it is too hit or miss, depending if your opponent hits or misses>No longer Daemon hunters? complete absence of anti-daemon>No longer anti psyker?Pros:>2+ save army wide>Purgation indirect fire Psycannons>Psycannon got better>Incinerators now have a purpose and got "buffed">everything still has deep strike which continues flexible deployment>Nemesis Weapons are fucking hugely buffed S6 -2AP 2DamThey fucking better have a way to shutdown or defend against Psychic and Daemon shit outside of the nice save or else this edition is going to be fucking rough for GK. I WANT TO SEE BROTHERHOOD AND PALADIN DATASHEETS!!!
>>88986043The varying flavors of marines, dark eldar, gsc.
Hello frens,I'm no longer interested in the hobby and haven't been for some time, but I have about $1k of minis purchased and I'd like to recoup some of that investment.What would be the best places to sell these minis? Most of them are unpainted and aren't even built.
>>88986060Guess what retard, they connect through implants to the Dreadknight too.
>>88985994>land raiders in SM army get OoM and the ADEPTUS ASTARTES keyword>but land raiders in grey knights won’t get the GREY KNIGHTS keywordI fully agree GW probably doesn’t intend for teleporting land raiders, but there’s no basis to assume they won’t get the faction keyword and thus will be able to be targeted by teleport assault.The only real question is if it’s intended or not, and thus if it will get FAQd or not
>>88986047>not deepstrike. It's deep strike at end of you opponents turn. You get to move then charge in yoursWrong. You bring them back in your movement phase. Reread.Not that anon, I think positioning is key for objective games and that the ability to redploy termies where you need them could be very hard to counter for certain armies.
>>88985941Good luck getting past the Void shield
>>88986046Proteus with the ramp looks retarded, so you save yourself from a fate worse than poverty: shit taste.
>>88986052you leave transports during movement, you teleport in reinforcements step so its too late to leave
>>88986062I wonder if purgation squads have astral aim work in overwatch. Just make them all flamers and put them behind a wall on an objective.
>>88985635>The faction known to me the most adaptable who have routinely pulled entirely new things out their ass (The Doom, The Parasite, etc.) to overcome impossible situationsIf they don't have anything there's always the risk they'll make something, but as usual will take massive casualties before their collective brain makes something. It only takes a single Lictor killing an Imperial Fist for the Hivemind to have significant information on how the Phalanx functions.
>>88986064Whatchu got bro
>>88986064eBay. Retards buy overpriced used shit on there all the time. Sell your stuff seperately, you'll get more money out of it.
>>88986064Best would be to ask your 40k buddies if anyone wants to take things off your hands. Or ebay/facebook mini trading groups.
>>88985733This is the most insane faction preview yet>Nemesis weapons made out like bandits, got the halberd profile with no loss of stats unlike the standard>Heavy weapons got sidegrades at worst>Astral Aim is ridiculous>2+ save for some reason, aren't they in power armour?>If they have any way to advance and charge the detachment rule makes them Harlequin levels of mobile>Faction ability is nuts too, especially if shooting-focused>GMNDK >>>less rerolls, at least its stats got nerfed to regular NDK's so it doesn't get the benefits of both character AND monster stats>Soulfire is eh>Strats are greatAt least Psychic on all their weapons means they'll have a hard time cracking a Scarab block.
>>88986062I bet the anti daemon stuff will be a Detachment thing
>>88986080>I wonder if purgation squads have astral aim work in overwatch.>In your Shooting phaseNo.
>>88986080They do not.Astral aim only works during your shooting phase. It says so right in the ability description anon.
>>88986062Psilencer still seems fine though.
>>88986064I hope you aren't that guy with a room full of 40k boxes. I'd hate for that guy to regret his investment.I don't even have minis, and i regret having paid any attention to this franchise in the first place lol
>>88986062anti daemon will probably be a strat like eldar's "the great enemy" is currently if I was to guess
>>88985882>>88985870Note those are the stats (WS/BS3+, A5 base) of a non-GM Dreadknight in 9th. Seems they smoothed down their stats so the GM isn't preferable at all times. I wonder if Tau Commanders are getting a similar treatment?
>>88986062>>Nemesis Weapons are fucking hugely buffed S6 -2AP 2DamSame as Halberds right now except that strength doesn't go as far anymore, and the lack of Hammers for clobbering time is a major setback to every squad's anti-vehicle potential.
>>88986090>aren't they in power armour?Come on man, they're totally wearing artificer armor.I'm rather surprised it is Custodes who have the mortal wound protection instead of GK, with all those magic runes etched in their armor, skin and bones
>>88985775You cannot possibly be serious, this preview is better than Craftworlds'
>>88986104he said it was $1k brothat's good enough for like 2 battle boxes at most
>>88986038firepower is the most important thing in warhammer, saying otherwise is cope from the weak
>>88986080>in your shooting phaseoverwatch rule states shoot as if it were your shooting phase, so it should work
>>88986053Yeah I still love it, I just lament the waste of money. But oh well, models are forever. I'll have to paint it at some point. I gave it custom doors for my homebrew chapter (like pic related, that's my vindicator) and it's primed so I'll get to it sooner than later.>>88986061Yeah that was the idea, then GW made a pastic version of that for half as much money. In the end I built my proteus with the ramp though, for nostalgia reasons so it kinda worked out.
>>88986119kinda surprised they merged in hammers, they needed a heavy option for melee
>>88986119>the lack of Hammers for clobbering time is a major setback to every squad's anti-vehicle potential.An S8 hammer! Now i can finally wound that Toughness 9 Rhino on a 5+, my dread come true?
Matt ward must be back in the writing room for these new Grey Knights lore being that every single one of them can warp shunt now.
>>88985789Depends on what you put it into. An unbuffed 10-man Strike squad would get you what, 8-9 mortals from this? Useful against 2+ saves and hordes.
>>88986133I dont care if you've shot me off the table if I've held the objectives and scored more points I dont even have to have killed any of your units and I still win
>>88986136Speaking of the vindicator GW announced a plastic deimos version right after I bought and glued mine without the shield. So it seems like if anyone of you wants an updated version of a tank I'll just have to buy it myself and then they'll announce the new model right after.
>>88986143interceptors squatted? now everyone can do it kek
>>88986129>le destiny dice>worse than thisyou're fucking insane
>>88986139Considering GMDK hammer went from S12 (2x S6) to S14, it's not hard to think normal hammers could have been S9 or S10.Also man changing damage for the GMDK hammer from D3+3 to D6+1 can suck my dick. Stop going back to such random damage you faggots.
>>88986149>I still winNo you don’t, cope not only have I tabled you, I also control all the objectives because you are dead
>GK can have flamers that ignore LoS
>>88985814>3A 3+ S6 AP-2 D2 deals less damage than 2A 3+ S4 AP-1 D1 with rerollsI mean, I'm sure there's *some* target profile for which that's true, but 99% of the time it's a stomp for the Strikes.
They killed another intern
>>88986137I expected that Halberds and Swords would be merged. I was 50/50 on if staves would stay their own thing granting an invul still. I'm curious what the non-psychic close combat weapons are supposed to be - maybe falchions are that profile now? Or is it just a knife or something?Could also be that Purgation squads don't get access to hammers but that'd be dumb.
>>88985830Between that and the stats it looks like the GMNDK is being treated as a slightly better NDK, that is, as a walker and not a character.
>>88986170Seems like they need to keep them silent about what Duncan did before leaving.
>GK faction stuff is just deepstrikingjesus they really were out of ideas for them huh
>>88986178the CC weapon just represents the guy with the heavy weapon punching
>>88986178>I'm curious what the non-psychic close combat weapons are supposed to beSince attacks, ws and strength aren't part of the model statlines anymore they need a generic weapon profile to be able to attack without melee weapons. It's for your dudes with guns. It's retarded but it's what we get for copying AoS.
>>88985840Sorry all Ive got is contempt
>>88985862>faction AND detachment ability is a useless teleport gimmickFucking hell, /40kg/ has gotta have the most retarded 40k takes on the internet
>>88986156was thinking about getting one of these. How are they for CSM?
>>88986186>>88986188Oh, that blows. Fair. Also doesn't AoS just use universal profiles for everything anyway? Their banner bearers and wardrummers and shit just get treated like normal dudes with typical gear to avoid having to do dumb shit like this, so in this case it'd be nicer if they took cues from AoS.
>>88985909They buffed Destroyer spam in a vehicle edition what are you rambling about secondary trash.
>>88986204Based on the demolisher cannon stats from the IG previews, pretty damn good.
>>88985871It's a lot better to give them profiles and abilities that make them good against monsters, hordes, psykers and invulns than hardcoding "daemon keyword" into their rules.
>Speed Freeks game has Looted RussesOrk bros, are wagons back in 10th?
>>88986136>pastic version of thatThe proteus carrier is an abomination. The tiny ramp reminds me of the Merkava. The only reason they made it was because they didn't want to sell Phobos for HH.
>>88986217>betterI don't give a shit, it's the anti-daemon faction designed to shit down daemon throats and do psychic powers while 360 no-scope halberd stabbing.
>>88986119>Same as HalberdsSwords and Halberds were always the same weapon. swapping between +1S or +1AP is fucking minutia. Overall both received a buff from this change.The lack of the addition attack or the X2S really hurts for those times you need it. I am hoping the Termies get this distinction. Hammer Paladins are a fucking thing and need to remain so.
>Entire faction teleports every single turnHow the fuck is this bad? Are you guys retarded?
>>88986184Yeah man if only they could come up with something as ground breaking as "rerolls everything against one unit"
>>88985878Now that we have "nothing" as a base weapon type, Assault is no longer a baseline "I guess it doesn't fit the other 4 types" category and goes only on the weapons specifically meant for run-and-gun.
>>88986214>Also doesn't AoS just use universal profiles for everything anyway?Haha no. AoS doesn't have universal rules for anything. Every thing is an exception unique to that particular warscroll because fuck having consistent standards or something.> Their banner bearers and wardrummers and shit just get treated like normal dudes with typical gear to avoid having to do dumb shit like thisGenerally weapon options in AoS are all or nothing, but your shooty units get a weak melee weapon so they can actually attack in melee just like here despite the models only having bows.
>>88986238And yet Orks won't see assault rapid fire weapons because reasons
>>88985904The GMNDK is getting NDK stats, that's all. As it was previously there was no reason to ever take the base NDK.
>>88986235>*teleports behind u*>*does literally nothing*Ugh... Grey Kanights... too powerful... I KNEEL
>>88986241All I know is from the Seraphon codex where I was amazed modelling dudes with banners were still treated as having whatever I armed everyone with. It's a good rule.
>>88986249What reason would there be now if they have the same stats? They might even remove the regular NDK like they are doing with the basic dreadnought and leaving just the venerable dread. I would honestly do the opposite.
>>88986251>do nothingDid you miss their weapons?
What the fuck is happening to 4chan. I see (you) for post I didn't made and I don't see my posts
>>88986249Apart from that you could only take one GMDK? Ignoring faggoty loophole bullshit for a while anyway.
>>88985957The non-NDK characters are obviously gonna hit on 2s, Paladins might as well. Calm your tits.
>>88986252That's because banners and musicians aren't treated as weapons, just wargear. Same thing in 40k, the guardsman with a vox caster still gets his lasgun.
>>88985879GK always had the Veteran profile you dum dum. Try to open their current codex and see how many attacks they have.
>>88986249Yes there was you nogames retard because you could only take 1 GMNDK lmao what
>2CP, deepstrike your GMDK just outside of 12” away from your enemy during their turn and they can’t shoot itLmao
>>88986024I will bet you a Leviathan box that the non-NDK GK characters get 2+ WS/BS.
>>88986253What's the point of this post? Are you complaining that Orks don't have a phase 2 anymore?
>>88986281halo only works in your move phase
>>88986281that would be a total of 3cp. and definitely not worth it
>>88986062>Are rule is bad. it is too hit or miss, depending if your opponent hits or missesPoetry.
>>88986289Damn, guess they thought of everything
>>88986289>>88986303it lasts until your next movement phase, so if you use it in your previous turn it will still work.
>>88986283I'm sure they will because that includes>Draigo>Crowe>Generic pointless GM>Brother champion (LOL LMAO)Yup, can't wait to have 2+ on a bunch of useless units while custodes fucking shit out 2+ and 4++ while having cooler models lmao I'm hanging myself
>>88986253>Coined the term for masses firepower>Can't actually shoot for shitWhy do Shootaz even bother
>Hammer profile rolled in as generic weapon for basic boys>meanwhile, on my painting deck right nowNot like this bros, Termies will keep them right? Right?
>>88986297GMNDK makes all strats cost 1 on himIt doesn’t work anyways
>>88986314nvm, missed the bit where it says it has to have deepstruck that phase
>>88985957he gets full rerolls to hit wound and damage, that’s better than hitting on a 2+. you’re not looking at the whole data sheet, you just want to look at one number and say “my dad is better than your dad,” like a retarded little child.
>>88986317You are the 40k optimized GW hates
>>88986317Possibly. This was just the purgation squad rules.Termies may have the hammers separate.
>>88986329honestly in 9th going all hammers is kind of a meme but I'm here for a good time and telling big units to go fuck themselves
>>88986137>>88986178This is pure cope, but there's a chance that Purgation squads specifically get all the melee profiles merged where other units may not. There is some precedent for this with CSM 9e Accursed Weapons on Chosen vs the Terminator Lord, for example.
>>88986021this is how I know that you don’t actually play the game. or lord have mercy if you do, because you’ll never fucking win.
>>88986126They were Sv3+ before though
>>88986335Maybe purgation can't even use hammers now? They are supposed to be the shooty support unit, right? I don't think anyone would take purgators to kit them with melee weapons instead of special weapons.
>>88986317for all we know, it could just be swords and halberds rolled into one 'nemesis force weapon' and staves, falchions, and hammers stay distinct and your guys can take them from a grey knights melee weapon list or some such. though i have no idea what staves would do- they don't have the invuln bonus as is, and I highly, highly doubt they'll give them back in an edition where terminators are bumped to 4++ base. maybe treating staves more like an icon or banner would be cool, like a free deny the witch roll or protection against attack, idk
Reminder>The Weapon Abaddon and Vashtorr are looking for is in the Black Library>The 'key' they have lets them smash into the Webway and get the jump on the Library>Forces from every major Craftworld and the Ynnari show up to help defend it>Initially it's a stalemate until Fulgrim shows up and begins slaughtering the Eldar>Turns into a complete massacre with Fulgrim destroying several Phoenix Lords permanently>Vashtorr enters the Library, kills most of the Harlequins, and takes the Weapon as wellcas several other artifacts before burning out the inside of the Library fully and completely>Abby and Vashtorr leave while Fulgrim gleefully chaes the fleeing Eldar through the Webway
>>88986330there was a comma in there somewhere, draigo is not useless obviously
>>88986317I'm hoping the terminators get the Daemon Hammer profile and not just the lumped in Nemesis Weapon profile but why did you make a 5 man hammer squad of Brotherhood? a 3 man paladin squad to either stand alone or add to another paladin squad is fucking mad optimization.
>>88986363Honestly not uncommon for every Justicar/Squad leader to get given the hammer just because of the extra attacks, and the leader can't take a heavy weapon anyway. Definitely possible they don't get them as an option.
>>88986161The faction rule is better for CWE, but the profiles for GK are nuts, especially the 2+ saves (in a 10th ed world) and Nemesis melee profile.
>>88986371which will again result in nothing lol
>>88986163When? Did you table him turn 5? 4? Have you scored any points on primary at all? How many turns do you have left to score? What about your primaries?Mobility and firepower are both important, but the mobility GK gained here is nutty. It's retarded to imply it's unimportant or a gimmick.
>>88986375I'm running them as a 5 man Paladin blob bro. I want to fuck things really hard. I have a lot of Termies. I don't like the silly book backpack, and I think the normal heads look more imposing than Paladin heads so I switched them. I actually use the tilting shield as the signifier between my Paladins and Brothers mostly, the fancy molded ones are for Pallies.
>>88986184I never cared for Tides, or most of the "le wacky table for shifting special rules" army abilities. I prefer something more distinct like this.
>>88986391>I actually use the tilting shield as the signifier between my Paladins and Brothers mostly, the fancy molded ones are for Pallies.nice
>>88986370Warding Staves do confer an invul bonus through a stratagem. Yeah it ain't built in, but they do have that as an option exclusive to them.
>>88986378>sweet, nice work Vash, we found the key and now we have the weapon!>yes, abby… now we must locate the power source to operate it…And so on until the end of GW as a company.
>>88986225And you can do that by adding in shit like Anti-Psyker and Anti-Monster and Devastating Wounds and Sustained Hits so that they are good at handling daemons through the natural interplay of the core rules instead of needing a carveout of "btw they also deal double damage to daemons lol".
>>88986400>Alright, we found the power source, but now I'm hungry. Let's find somewhere to eat.
>>88986400>Sweet Vash and Hella Abb
>>88986403>anti-monsternot exclusive to fucking daemons>anti-psykernot exclusive to fucking daemons>devasting...I don't need to go on. You know what's good for fucking daemons?>anti-daemonsimple as
>>88986405>now that my hunger is sated, we must find the FUEL for the power source! The Imperium trembles!
>2+ Armour army widewhy
>>88986406Hairless Vash and Rippling Abbs
>>88986416Because TSons have to hard counter them that much harder I guess, not only do they have a strat to make GKs unable to shoot them without exploding they now have an ability to use everyturn to remove their biggest gain lmao
>>88986413>We have found thr fuel, but now we must build a suitable mount for the weapon.>To do so I will require Jaghatai Khan's left testicle, the blood of a Tau psyker, and an Ork who can count to ten
>>88986410>waaah, GW, my GK are only good against daemons. I want to be able to play against everyone>waaah, GW, why did you make my faction no longer specialized at killing daemonsI don’t even know why GE tries to please you faggots anymore, they should just squat your faction out of spite.
>>88986430>everyone is one personRetard.
>>88986156buy a deredeo pls
>>88986064Is it really so easy to spent 1k on minis?
>>88986440Already announced, bro.
>>88986284No>>88986316Ironically ork shooting has never lived up to the meme
>>88986427you know the best GK units are going to be rocking 4+ invulns. TSons can twist of date for 9CP and get the equivalent of an extra -1 on their AP. So stronk.
>>88986156I would like for you to puchase a Glaive. Thanks in advance.>>88986440Also this just so we can be sure of what the new Dread will be. I'm scared James wants to pull a fast one and it's going to be the boxnaught for 30k now.
>>88986446How come the HH promo pics look so fucking good and 40k's looks so ass?
>>88986434fans of a faction are a monolith, I will not elaborate
>>88986410you are retarded
Grey knights look kind of boring ngl. Aside from the indirect fire ability.
>>88986450>I would like for you to puchase a Glaive. Thanks in advance.I wanted a falchion... If I get hired this month I might actually do it.
>>88986410for a simple mind
>>88986462This works for me. I appreciate your sacrifice bro.
>>88985733>>88985812Both of my armies back to back. I don’t know what to feel for my GK. I’m used to them being hot garbage and reading this one seems to be the same. How is everyone else feeling about their factions? I didn’t play 9th at all, but I heard they were decent. Hoping DE on Monday makes me happy.
>>88986449For the past couple editions or so Termies haven't really been that great to use en masse. Variations of the Strike Squad all of which won't get invuls have been the way to go.
>>88986371Can ANYONE defeat Vashtor?
>>88986478>How is everyone else feeling about their factions?Bit underwhelmed with how predicable Waaagh was but not really complaining about it being "bad"
>>88985575How terrible of an idea is it to build a world eaters army? They seem like the most flavorful CSM army, and a fun challenge to paint.
>>88986478If your take away from this is that they're bad you need to rethink it. A couple of minor losses but overall very good abilities on show, just nothing all that interesting. Certainly not if you were looking forward to psychic powers...
>>88985733>>88985743>>88985772Doesn't this make that board corners gambit achievable basically 100% of the time?
>>88986483I can squash his model with my foot.
Rolled 3 (1d6)>>88986483Wrong question, what you should be asking is can Vashtor stop, Makari
You guys are the goofiest niggas imaginable holy shit, imagine spending all your time talking about a game so simplified, I bet my left fucking nut that AoS is more complex by now, 10th edition is haping up to be absolute dogshit with little more than "you get bonus shit on a nat 6" or "re-roll rolls"And you STILL GET niggers defending this shit, absolutely mental. Get a fucking grip yall jesus.
>>88986497holy based 4 dimensional chess thinker
OH MY FUCKING GODThis preview was good, what the fuck is wrong with you?Boo fucking hoo instead of being a thousand sons foil faction I get a cool constant teleportation autism and my statlines pretty much only got buffsWhat the fuck are you faggots on about?You got fucking army wide 2+ and you are complaining more than DG fags
>>88985635>Do the Tyranids have anything that can beat the Phalanx in a space battle?They could literally just board it with 5000 little ships and rip everyone inside apart with genestealers and screamer-killers.The real question is do the Imperial Fists have fucking anything that can handle boarding actions from the Tyranids?
>>88986502AoS still isn’t more complex
>>88986497You still have to roll the dice anon
>>88986497Don't be silly anon, if that was the case then /40kg/ would have picked up on it. Absolutely no one in these generals looks at things in a vacuum!
>>88986502more complex =/= more fun
>>88986502>I bet my left fucking nut that AoS is more complex by nowIt's definitely way more convoluted (though the new statlines are closing the gap) because of now stardarization or USRs but that's not complexity.
>>88986505I'm pretty happy with it but I'm gonna be real and say I don't actually want armywide 2+, it's a buff in the wrong place and that I don't care about. I'd trade it back for demon hammer profiles and a bit more psychic power choices.
>>88986069You realize nids are probably the faction that cares least about void shields right? Not only do all melee weapons, ordnance and boarding actions ignore them, where nids are the either the strongest or tied for strongest space faction in the setting in all 3 categories, but even their lance equivalent weapons, the bio-plasma guns, ignore void shields completely.
>>88986371>>Turns into a complete massacre with Fulgrim destroying several Phoenix Lords permanentlythis is where you went too far with your fake spoilers. if they killed off the phoenix lords they would stop selling their models or make new ones, the eldar range isn't getting that kind of attention or narrative focus. the phoenix lords will get fucking pasted but come back because there was a discarded belt buckle or whatever just like they always do.
more like Cunstantin. What a hater.
>>88986452Because HH’s promo pics look like an actual warzone and have a little of the old IA flair, while 40k’s look like the battles in the average marvel movie.
>>88985733nu-Deep Strike doesn't feel like an assault thing, it feels like a retreat thing
>>88986533>if they killed off the phoenix lords they would stop selling their modelsAnon...
>All these GK playersI thought I was alone all this time. feels good to know there are more GK players on this board
>>88986543to be fair to you I only just started them this year/a few months ago.
>>88986541the reason GW loves characters like celestine or the daemon primarchs or swarmlord is because they can show up all over the place and die without it affecting the status quo or their model sales. permakilling off named characters with models very rarely happens and they always make a big deal of it to shill something new like with yass queen creed
>PLEASE SIR DO NOT DEPLOY THE TACTICAL SHITPODS
>GKs got more of a durability increase than DG>A basic strike is tougher and killer than a plague marine
>>88986557Anon, most of the Phoenix Lords have been out of production for months now.
>>88986548still more of us and that feely good
Say something nice
>>88986502real heroes play 7th or 9th. best editions by far
>>88986569My wife is a kind woman
>>88986557> they can show up all over the place and die without it affecting the status quo or their model salesSo you don't know how Phoenix Lords work huh
>>88986562This is the price you pay for picking the literal shit army.
>>88986543nobody plays that shit army they just like complaining
>>88986559>open the septic tank mid flightIt’s a low-tech Blight Drone
>>88986578the phoenix lords don't have revival as absolute as daemon primarchs but in practice they might as well since nobody ever actually destroys the armor completely ever
>>88986557Anon phoenix lords are literally unkillable ghosts
>>88986540except you can’t use it to fall back. it’s about getting better angles of attack. worst case scenario it lets you deep strike three units turn 1 if you’re going second.
>>88986569Don't fucking tell me what to do looks cool though
>>88986569I love my girlfriend
>>88986562Why do they hate us, maggotbro?
>>88986559>Transparent so anyone outside can see you Um
>>88986586>>88986587It amazes me how fucking stupid CWR fluff is.
so I'll be paying £75 for my half of leviathan when it comes out (the marines)I've works out this half of the box will be about 1000 points using current point values and complete guessworkthis comes to about 13 points per poundmy question is; are there any other boxes that come to this level of value? points per pound specifically?
>>88986596They nerf the armies with recent starters since they’re the cheapest to get into
>>88986587>Anon phoenix lords are literally unkillable ghostsAre you not following the conversation?????>>88986371This post claims arks of omen will end with>Turns into a complete massacre with Fulgrim destroying several Phoenix Lords permanentlyI'm saying that's bullshit fake spoilers. The phoenix lords aren't gonna be permanently killed off. You're literally agreeing with me.
>>88986586The armour have nothing to do with it, they arent stuck in the armor, they manifest through the infinity circuit and are essentially ghosts in the machine
>>88986584YOU KNOW, WE CAN DO FUCKING BOTH!!!
GK ability is honestly fucking nuts
>>88986615post your GKs anon
>>88986254Enhancements, possibly the psychic ability, very likely the other ability. It's just not "pay 30 points for a massive offensive upgrade in every way" anymore.>>88986274Before Arks of Omen you'd just take multiple detachments and after it there's Heroic Support. Regular NDKs were only ever to be taken if the rules outright forced you to, which is the point. They should have merit independent of one another, even if just through point costs, and 8th and 9th datasheets for the NDK and GMNDK were such that the difference in points would have to be enormous for them to ever coexist.
>faction description says they’re a DG subfaction composed of Plague Marines>faction art shows them as basic Nurgle CSMWhat
>>88986617The ability is sick. But as I kept reading other stuff I’m just like “that’s it?”. They seem really pillow fisted and vehicles/high T would once again be their bane.
>>88986617I think people are seriously underrating. the constant naruto fanfic tier *TELEPORTS BEHIND YOU* shenanagins will be ridiculous to deal with in actual gameplay, and the more terrain and obstacles the battlefield has the more privileged grey knights are because they can completely ignore all of it and just max advance ignoring all of it.like imagine playing a Boarding Patrol game with those rules, everyone else is busy opening doors and shit and cucked by LoS and walls everywhere meanwhile your entire army has 2+ saves and just bulldozes in a straight line straight to the objective.
will we ever see Kino like this again?
>>88986619I always post my unpainted model here. I really need to fucking take a few days off work and just pound out some more GK units.
>>88986620>They should have merit independent of one anotherWow like maybe having different abilities on their datasheet and one having better BS/WS than the other and only letting one be taken? It doesn't matter how they fucked it up beforehand, we're in the current time with (mostly) more sensible detachment rules and a proper limitation on the amount of Grandmasters you can actually field in a match.
>>88986595Now if only she loved you
>>88986315Please hurry up and do.
>>88986625They're not 10000 years old like the DG
>>88986635They make backlines impossible since you cant screen the entire deployment for 5 rounds without losing the gameThis reveal has been underrated as fuck in this general because ppl dont actually play games
>>88985575Why the fuck did this thing get a short range battle cannon and railgun? Did no one ever buy it?
>>88986641>pseudo-historical stories revolving around literally whos on planet nowhereNever, anon. This level of kino is gone outside of the narratives you make within your own group.
>>88986635It's a quality vs quantity thing.
>>88986371>Turns into a complete massacre with Fulgrim destroying several Phoenix Lords permanentlyChaosfags are embarrassing
>>88986536>>88986550i want to see even more Custodes vs Astartes violence in 10th edition desu.
>>88986639literally the only concerning things about the preview today is that their two previewed strats are 2CP, and so far they have no previewed ways to gain free strats or CP save for the specific case of the grand master. If the brother captains get the same free strat ability that regular SM captains get them I think their in a perfect place.
>>88986650I can't stand seeing soulful IG regiments whilst GW continuously doles out Cadian slop
>>88986665Whats the source on these?
>>88986559I remember that Regular Show episode
>>88986662the kit was never bought for 40k. I think it might have had some application in AoS but don’t hold me to that.
>>88986659That’s a simple explanation that eluded me and now I’m embarrassed. They’re a group of new guys folded into the greater legion.
>>88986371>Turns into a complete massacre with Fulgrim destroying several Phoenix Lords permanentlywere they the FW ones and the ones GW cannot be arsed to update? They just decided to get rid of them permanently?
>>88986410Yeah and my point anon is that their strengths not being exclusive to anti-daemon is a good thing. Do you really want to have a bunch of abilities that turn the daemon matchup into an instawin and are dead weight the rest of the time?
>>88986662Everyone knows Thousand Sons are defined by their use of Tzaangors and Mutaliths
>>88986662It had no role beforeIt was a distraction carnifex at best because it only had melee weapons and 9th was lethal as fuck
>>88985810Yes they do? It's just that energy is their ammo.
What's up with the rigged plates in both the GSC units and the death cult assassin? Have the elucidian starstriders been infiltrated by the cult of four armed emperor or is it simply some easily accessible civilian material?
>>88986665This is good shit
Truthfully I'm not seeing any obvious winners of 10th so far.
>>88986701The GSC literally just wear regular hazard suits made for humans you moron.
>>88986701pretty sure it's meant to be carapace armor
>>88986661Admittedly, I haven’t played a single game of 9th period, but that’s because of external factors outside of my control. I hope it is underrated, though. I’m kind of getting a AoS Sylvaneth play style vibe from them where you’re the fucking Vietcong popping up everywhere plinking damage and disappearing before they can react.>>88986666Which one would be GK in this case? Fluff makes it seem like they’d be quality focused.
>>88986701Ribbed for her pleasure
>>88986685Would make sense. There's nothing indicating GW wants to bring them back.
>>88986427So in other words every unit except for the one getting Twist of Fate'd is gonna laugh off TS shooting?>9th ed inferno bolters into baseline GK: saving on 5s>10th ed, same: saving on 3sLiterally doubled your effective durability and you still have the gall to complain about getting hard countered, you disingenuous faggot
>>88986371Reminder>Vashtoor mere seconds away from reaching the black library>The AI found on the rock suddenly reveals itself to have been an aspect of cegorach the whole time>Could have stopped him at any time, he just didn't because it was funny>Vashtoor gets shunted back into real space then immediately seeks out fulgrim for revenge>500 billion eldar dead, 77 craftworlds annihilated
>>88986715Quality. Hyper mobility on durable platforms is crazy.
>>88986694>by their use of TzaangorsSince the very beginning, newfag, yes.
>>88986691I want a few abilities that aregeared to assfucking daemons because I am the faction whose purpose is to assfuck daemons. They showed literally no rules for assfucking daemons. This is not how GK should be.
>>88986665>capeshit herohammer is the new norm and even stuff like the Badab campaign will never happen againIt's SO over
>>88986371t. Gav Thorpe
>>88986617>Teleports behind you>Shoots 5 storm bolters>Fails charge>Dies unless you spend 2 cpNothing personnel, kid.Teleporting would be very strong for shooting focused faction, but GKs best guns are ap 1. Unless termies/pallies get to keep their hammers and arent overpriced GK look dead on arrival to me.
>>88986641>>88986650>>88986658this is so much better than the marvel tier shit we get nowadays
>>88986735Buddy those nomadic Warbands are the beastmen, not the CSM.
>>88986701It is indeed civilian armour. You can see it on some poxwalkers, and on various necromunda models.
>>88986728Does anything else in the entire chaos faction even come close to the kino of beastmen? Tzaangors and Pestigors are so damn cool. Khornegors are alright, too.
>>88986728>could take an entire unit with plasma pistols
Don't see how any GKfags can be complaining about getting one of the stronger looking previews.
>>88986741cover cant improve saves beyond 3+ so ap-1 is not bad anymore
>>88986759Yeah, although plasma pistols weren't as strong back then as they are today, they had weaker stats than plasma guns instead of just being a plasma gun but 1 shot at 12"
>>88986760GK fags turned out to be the biggest whiners so far>only buffs>Crazy stronger army rule>2 FUCKING ARMOUR SAVE ARMY WIDE>waaa waaa why we dont table everybody turn 1???
>>88986760>Don't see how any GKfags can be complaining about getting one of the stronger looking previews.I want to see my terminator profiles dammit
>>88986559>make a 30k DG drop pod>replace the harnesses with toilet seats
>>88986734I’ve got PTSD of playing my GK in 7th because that is when they were supposed to assfuck daemons but Daemons did literally everything GK could but better. Phlegm bombardment instantly deleting whole power armor squads, Bloodletters ripping open everything they touched, they literally had double the amount of warp charge dice so I couldn’t cast or deny SHIT, trying to do a single wound to a 2++/rr 1’s Tzeentch daemon prince. Holy shit, it was miserable.
>>88986738It’s a bummer. Have to make your own campaigns because GW is only interested in WWE-tier fights between the same named characters ad nauseam because that’s what normies guzzle down.
>>88986769>GK fags turned out to be the biggest whiners so farThat would be Eldarfags.
>>88986559>blight dro->>88986585fuck you
>>88986709alright alright, I was just being dramatic for effect, I just wanted to point out a neat design similarity.
>>88986773>DG>toiletsWe shit on the floor in THIS legion, bucko.
Loving these deep striking purgation squads with homing-bullets
>>88986755This. It's a hazard suit. But the ribbing is a callback to older GSC models
>>88986778eldar being annoyed with shitty fluff is entirely different from whining about actual army rules, the eldar faction focus is pretty universally lauded as one of the strongest. Guardians have the same BS as a grey knight grandmaster lmao
>>88986787you can't say "rent free" when you're just burglarizing
>>88986769>only buffsfactually wrong and you're just a retarded shitstirrert. anon in no way thinking they're in a bad place
>>88986788There is no need to be upset
>>88986795Forgot the picrel
>>88986803>waaa waaa I lost my 1000 smites, nerf!! nerf!!!
>>88986810yes, doing less mortal wounds is in fact a nerf
I know Creed hiding land raiders and essentially teleporting them onto the battlefield used to be a meme but now literally every GK land raider can fucking TELEPORTS BEHIND YOU NOTHIN PERSONNEL KID, ROLL TO TANK SHOCK and that's fucking hilarious. the tank shock rules also look really strong in general, imagine abaddon getting fucking pasted by a tank flying out of a portal and smacking him in the face
>>88986778hahaha what eldar reveal was crazy man, everybody BUT eldar players was whining. Im gonna enjoy tabling retards like you and be savouring every whinge, whine and whimper.
>>88986815>tank shock + deffrollas younuffin personnel umie
>>88986812Everybody lost it, tough shit, in the logic of 10th edition GK received nothing but buffs
>>88986662TS need a way of bringing anti tank besides bringing the same options every other SM faction has.
>>88986641>>88986650>>88986658>>88986665>>88986699I would personally oversee putting every primarch model and primarchfag into a fucking woodchipper to get more content like this to be the primary 40k storytelling style.
>>88986810GMDK losing 2+ WS/BS is in fact a nerf.
Do different GSCs (ie, under different Patriarchs) work together if they come into contact with one another? Do they share the same synaptic field, or is it more like a general agreement with an external party?
>>88986815Creed used to be a meme because he just used his TACTICAL GENIUS to do that. Using teleporters is pretty boring by comparison.
>>88986843actually expanding on the HH instead of it being just background mythos was a terrible fucking idea
>>88986837>Everybody lost itexcept thousand sons and chaos knights
>>88986502You will not be missed.
Honestly I'm just so fucking happy that bullshit plot-armor wound caps are gone in the dumpster this edition
>Only have two Dreadknights>Dreadknight 1>Hammer, Heavy Psilencer and Heavy Incinerator>Dreadknight 2>Sword, Heavy Psycannon and Heavy PsilencerI love when I make Balanced loadouts
Grey Knights are officially the zoomie class.WE ZOOMIN' ACROSS THE BOARD NOW BOIS!
>>88986812Reminder you don't want less lethality
>>88986881Who is "you" you spastic??
The more previews we see, the more I'm worried that sisters' only hope of being balanced is to be guardsmen level cheap. I don't want to have to paint 100 bolter sisters.
Why is Ghazghkulls leadership so bad
>>88986843I would personally oversee bringing back every primarch save for Horus because thats exactly what people want and would sell models.
>>88986891because mob rule is definitely going to be there! Definitely!!
>>88986868The fact that a single tyranid screamer-killer mercs this faggot instantly in melee combat with average rolls makes me very happy.
>>88986881you're right I don't, I have not once asked for less lethality
>>88986881when did he say that? schizo...
>>88986825I wonder how good defilers will be this ed
>>88986897Slop-eating primarchpiggies aren't people and you sell models by making good models of literally any faction.
>>88986919>and you sell models by making good models of literally any faction.You're behind the times.
>>88986897If by "people" you mean capeshit meme obsessed redditors, then I don't consider them people, nor their opinion of any value
>>88986890same for necron warriors, except they have the reanimation tax so they'll be 12 pts each
I would like the Grey Knights so much if it werent for two things:1). They're only a single chapter and all of it is named and confirmed, so no making /your dudes/2). The lore focuses so much on them being secret which is really gay, since I want my space knights to be valourous heroes
>>88986897>caring about the profit margin of an anti-consumer company that actively fucks its playerbase in the assngmi
>>88986648Better BS/WS (and attacks too) isn't an incidental minor upgrade, it's a huge boost to the unit's offense which is the only reason to take it. It's just a knob from "good" to "better". The same thing used to happen with Guard Tank Commanders, and guess what happened to them? Getting one more point of WS/BS isn't the same on a Captain with a couple more sword swings and a pistol ad it is on a giant angry gunboat. It's why Tau Commanders have been and continue to be the strongest unit in the Tau codex, commander-level accuracy plus dedicated gunboat-level firepower is an overwhelming combination.
Also I like how this super secret, ultra elite specialist force with the one job of taking out warp horrors is Leadership 6. Lol, what a fucking clown show.
>>88986919>you sell models by making good models of literally any faction.RELEASE THE TITCOW ELDAR, JAMES WORKSHOP!I KNOW YOU'RE HOARDING THEM FOR YOURSELF!MAKE IT CANON THAT YNNARI STORE SOULS IN THE BREASTS
>>88986905More likely they will make a good Defiler 2 and release it with the CSM codex. The defiler is too far gone from the visual look they are going for now.
>>88986935The first reason is completely valid. The second is retarded because the 40k universe is so fucking big 99.9999% of the Imperium has never heard of anyone outside of their local planet/system, the stories of almost all heroes are vague legends passed down and distorted over thousands of years.
>>88986950its like 9 quid on ebay just go get her
>>88986948>GK fags are so entitled they wanted even more buffsCustodes is more elite than the silver tape army and they have ld6+ get fucked
>>88986868Yeah that shit was a mess. 9th was full of just fucking dumb rules like that.>wound caps>weapons ignoring invulns>super invulns that ignore weapons that ignore invulns>fights first/fights last autism>"lol your weapon does zero damage because I ignore the first failed save">transhuman and its derivatives>X to hit auto woundsI'm so glad they've toned down the majority of it, if not outright removed it.Just on and on.
>>88986956I already have her, I mean a theoretical supply of other eldar models with the same proportions. imagine a bunch of banshees with that body type
>>88986948Anon, I don't know how to tell you this, but that IS good leadership this edition. Even tyranids have only effective 5.5+ leadership in synapse range.
>>88986948so are cusdodes my man. there isnt a non character unit with leadership better than 6
>>88986701its also callback to the stillsuits in Dune. I like to think its vulcanised rubber safety suits similar to protective shock absorbent rubber tiles. I dunno much about rubber, but I wonder if it would at least partially stop a lasgun round. Maybe instead of a laser going straight through you, it just absorbs it and you just get a dinner plate sized skin burn.
>>88986955Yes, but with the Grey Knights, the lore always talks about them purging ANYONE who even saw their silvery buttcracks.
>>88986760I read it, thought it was a strong contender for the strongest preview so far, then came here to see retards unironically say they were shit. Forty kilograms is a barrel of laughs.>useless gimmick ability
>>88986967Her model gave me such hope for the Eldar refresh, not even just coomershit for the females but I mean all models just being that level of quality. Then we got the rangers they actually released....
>>88986960>BuffsScreencap this post GK will be at the bottom of the meta. They definitely wont be the worst army because they're quite tanky and maneuverable but they're gonna be ass.
>>88986980The rangers we got were good, what's your complaint?
>>88986948LD6 is considered good by 10e standards. Guilliman and Abaddon are only LD5. >WELL MY SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE MARINES SHOULD ALL BE INDIVIDUALLY EQUAL TO PRIMARCHS oh fuck off you faggot
>>88985704>While she watched the electro-priest, already half asleep, Callun bought her a portion of jerked blackmite from the stall. She hated blackmite. It got stuck in her prostheses and irritated her gums, but it was one of the few mass-harvestable life forms, a microalgae that somehow drew energy from particle friction in the upper mesosphere, native to Medusa. It came in a greasy bag. She ate with her fingers as Callun led her from the stalls and she surrendered to his energy. She felt better for the food.Algae in a bag.
>>88986843Based. More one-off characters, more self-contained stories, more campaigns where the stakes are over a system or even sector, not the whole fucking galaxy.
>>88986980Eldar got the best model refresh by far besides maybe necrons - faithful to the designs, detailed.. whats the issue?
>>88986990They're trash compared to her, worse proportions, worse detail, they're like the 480p version to her 2k high-def.
>>88986990not him but they're "alright", I wouldn't say they're that good. I still prefer them to guardians but thats not a high bar
>>88986935>so no making /your dudes/There are 8 Brotherhoods and the only Brotherhood to have unique characters are the Wardmakers (Voldus and Stern). Crow is a Purifier and Draigo Provides the hams. everything else about this army can be /yourdudes/>my space knights to be valourous heroesthe closest this can ever come to being a thing is Black Templar and even they are considered pyschopaths
>>88986950Wish granted anon.The only model CWE will get this entire edition will be her as a pity Character.
>>88987001>Eldar got the best model refresh by far besides maybe necronsAhahahahah aha hahaha
>>88986952I should buy one soon then
>>88987002You don't play Eldar; at best you just jerk off to the porn.
>>88985704Yeah in pretty much every one of the Warhammer Crime books, theres at least one scene where the Detective/Cop/Private Eye main character buys coffee (recaff, or caffeine), and donut equivalent. Or some greasy meat-substitute slab.
>>88986868Yeah, wound caps were an emergency bandaid on a system that was quickly spiraling out of control.>>88986964Don't forget "ignores wound caps/FnPs", which was cropping up more and more and meant that among other things C'tan were terrified of Flyrants. I liked 9th ed, but the reset was the right call.
>>88987019>models don't look like the art wahhhhhhhhhhhhhWhy don't marines look like pic rel then? The last two iterations of reapers looked like that.. what's the issue?
>>88986964I think you need to wait for all the datasheets to come out before you say all of these are gone. They need to get the different rules for all the leaders/characters from somewhere.
>>88987001Eldarfags literally cannot help but complain at any change.
>>88987033wrong pic, went off thumbnails. But detail in art is lost in models soz
Both the Rule repo and the torrent seem to be very, very dead.
>>88987008>The only model CWE will get this entire edition will be her as a pity Character.I would rather not get any models than get ugly models. I already run a practically full conversion army for DEldar, Scourges and Raiders are the only kits I run as-is because they still hold up fantastic. it's actually insane how awesome the scourge kit is and still holds up.
>>88987033Because that’s a fantasy Chaos warrior, not a Chaos marine.
>>88987048>I already run a practically full conversion army for DEldarSo post it... you DO run that army right anon?
If you told me people would be complaining about getting constant deep strikes and 2+ armour save base just because they dont have S:fuck you AP:rekt and ld5+ and thus cant table any army turn 1 I would laugh at your faceYet here we areI expect this from eldar players, but GK? really??
>>88987039>Eldarfags>not a single one of them posting modelsinb4>that's how you know they're eldarfagsI see through you.
>>88987002They look better than her in every way.
>>88987065Wanna point out these posts whining so hard?
>>88987048Hell yeah. Love me scourges
>>88987033>The last two iterations of reapers looked like that.. what's the issue?The last two iterations of reapers are ancient models that look like hot diarrhea shit and the point of a modern plastic refresh is to update stuff so that it looks GOOD and has INCREASED DETAIL
>>88987065>>88987065>teleports around>shoots you with s4 ap 0 guns>can't charge lol>dies on next turnvugh GK are so fucking epic and strong I kneel before their 4+ WS epic commander...
>>88985761>Another plauge marine really to shit things uplooks like he's already done it
>>88987066Hey, I do love our metal models, they served me well for years and years, but anybody who says the new plastic models arent better is coping because they are near perfect. Modular, detailed, to scale, faithful to their original design unlike primaris or nuchaos.. what more could whiny eldarfags want??
Well, Drukhari are coming on Monday. I used to hope that GW would give them desperately needed buffs in 10e…but after seeing how they ass-raped Tau, Votann and DG without lube I no longer feel optimistic. Drukhari are either getting side-grades or simply straight-up nerfed further.
>>88987026I don't need to play a faction to be able to see differences in sculpt quality. You are literally blind if you can compare that to her and think they are on the same level. Look at the fucking low-res hoods and robes, the lower detailing in the leather, the cartoonish proportions of the shorter stubbier limbs.
>>88987103>what more could whiny eldarfags want??Spiders, Dragons, Scorpions, Hawks.In that order.
>>88987080This is outright trolling.
>>88987111Isn't monday a british bank holiday? Might have to wait until tuesday
>>88987050What's the difference?
>>88987119Hopefully they're coming. What happened to the SS leaks? I have 20 metal scorpions so I don't really mind. Spiders would be lovely though beacuse I fell in love with them in DoW
>>88987111>bad shit happened to some people>good shit happened to some people>clearly bad shit will happen to me
so do Tsons just autowin against grey knights? assuming magnus isnt complete garbage you can just march him up with impunity thanks to the 4+++ strat plus a brick of scarabs if you spend the cabal pts to use it again. GKs will do more dmg to themselves than to you with this
>>88987111Side grades are basically the best we can hope for. GW is still terrified of how hugely overpowered they were on their 9E release and the fact that it took them three nerfs to drop below a 50% win rate. I think they feel like a 46% win rate is perfectly fair as penance for 6 months of topping tournaments.The funny thing is I'm not sure they would even be overpowered anymore played as written in the Codex. They were just the first ones to really get a big power jump before the Codex creep took off.
>>88987048>it's actually insane how awesome the scourge kit is and still holds up.Brother, the whole fucking army except for the finecast stuff and the Archon(who just needs a head and arm swap) is perfectly fine. DE should’ve been the gold standard for sprue and assembly design going forward. I dare you to find an easier army to customize and kitbash. The kits are so perfectly cross compatible you can make unique squads of dudes without a single extra cut, just slap bits from other kits and bam. I would hate to see them “updated” and slapped with the god awful monobuild designs of today when they’re just fine as is. God, I love my DE.
>>88987131People are assuming the upcoming KT box this Fall is Scorpions vs Marine Scouts
>>88987124I'm not trolling at all. They look better.
>>88987131>What happened to the SS leaks?They've been proven basically confirmed. Next season kill team launch is Scouts vs Scorpions.
>>88987113Leave my faction alone you disgusting coomer.
>>88987007>8 brotherhoodsnot anymore and not for most of it
>>88987149>>88987155Fuck yes bros, we're so back
>>88987148CSM/ImpMarine kits used to be like this too. Conversion is a lot more work now.
>>88987156The infestation of coomers other factions have makes me glad I’m a Nurgroid.
>>88987158>>88987171the size difference isnt proving your point
>>88987148>Brother, the whole fucking army except for the finecast stuff and the Archon(who just needs a head and arm swap) is perfectly finenah wyches and succubi are definitely dated, especially compared to their direct fantasy equivalent that they share a name with (witch elves). I've never touched AoS but I pillage daughters of khaine shit for conversions because if I'm running a unit named "Hekatrix Bloodbrides" in my fucking army, I want them to actually be hot elf bitches with knives and swords, not a bunch of dudes in leather pants.
>>88987179>>88987202>gets proven that GK are whining shits>start ramblingI will accept your concession
>>88987156>point out a whole bunch of reasons they're worse models that have absolutely nothing to do with sex appeal or coomershit>this is anons only defenseFucking retard of the highest degree. I'm probably the anon who reports coomer shit posts the most in this fucking general. KYS you coping blind faggot.
>chaos daemon vs GK>sequences of *teleports behind you*heh
>>88987209I agree with you retard, i'm not the guy
>>88986361True. But>Grey Knights have also become tougher and more elite, as befits their reputation and tactics, with many units gaining an improvement to their Save characteristic – often to 2+! So more elite = artificier armor. Which is fine fluff wise. They have their own forgeworld(moon) after all. Terminators still should have T5 and a 4++ over the normal guys.
>>88987158I'll have you know I was not whining in my post, I was in fact celebrating that GK are shitfuck GK
plague marines should be T4 W4 4+ 6+++. Their tabletop durability should be tied to their bloated meaty bits and immunity to pain, not their rusty, broken armor held together by warp shit and popsicle sticks.
>>88985638>in rags>a psyker, so hated and controlled anyway>still has tatoos and makeup
>>88987217nothing personnel kid
>>88987209>calling you a retard is ramblingtry reading the rest of the thread or even half those posts AND try understanding what shitposting looks like you double retard
>>88986569He'll be ok
Bros.. 10th has taken all my hobby enthusiasm away. Can't be bothered to paint anymore beacuse this edition is just dumbed down flavourless slop
>>88987180You are asking to get monkey's pawed, if GW updates wyches and succubi it will be to cover them up more and give them more ugly manfaces like they did with every other female model the past 5 years
>>88985733>>88985743>>88985772literally>*teleports behind you* Nothing personal kidthe army
>>88987230T5 W2 is fine with damage mitigation like Disgustingly Resilient. I will never understan why they took that away.
Custodes are heretics.Anyone who thinks they talk for the Emperor is a delusional heretic.Sorry golden bros.
>>88986502Didn't play at the start of 8th I take it?
>>88987247I'm with you anon, but unironically I think this will be a good thing for the retrohammer movement. 10th pushed the simplification SO far that more people will leave Current Edition to try older ones than were willing to try in 9th.
>>88987261what is with this guy's head?
>>88987230I would prefer T5 3+ 6+++ but with the same cost as before. DR was a bit OP. Mostly pissed off about all the weapon profiles being smushed though. Standard plague marines have been pretty useless since 8th
>>88987250>You are asking to get monkey's pawed, if GW updates wyches and succubi it will be to cover them up more and give them more ugly manfaces like they did with every other female model the past 5 yearsIf that happens I will simply continue to convert Witch Elves from fantasy/AoS since GW has absolutely no problem with gratuitous sex appeal and showing skin from their fantasy elf game.
>>88987214Fuck off you turd, the only reason anyone likes her model is because of the tits, her boring, static pose is awful, on par with the old pewter models' except lacking any of the goofy charm or silliness.
>>88986881I want less lethality. I want the game to be battleshocking people off objectives rather than wiping them completely.
>>88987269I feel like 9th is the perfect edition retrospecitvely now that all the codexes are out. 7th is too complicated with its trillion required books and templates cause much too much arguing
>>88987247we have not even tried it yet and bro i played total of 0,5 game of 9th edition during all this time, my opponent gave up because it was so stupid so there was never even a rematch also we play beerhammer so he could not stand it even for a fun try
>>88987299There's a lot about 9th I don't like, but there were some things about it that were cool.
>>88986617Cool ability, but now they seem like something of a finesse army weirdly. A far cry from the days of spam terminator armor and smite all your shit with mortal wounds.
>>88987294This is a joke post. Nobody wants this, and morale would be better as a imperial guard specific rule beacuse it doesnt make sense for anybody else
>Number one GK player in the fucking world>Literally coping that they must have gotten the GMNDK profile wrong and typod the normal one into itahahah holy fuck, i have to admit i admire GK chads for sticking to their guns for what is quite literally the worst preview so far
>>88986881I want to go back to 5th Ed unit durability.
>>88987312>but now they seem like something of a finesse army weirdlyThey always should have been.
>>88987292>, her boring, static pose is awfullol her pose is literally the same as the other rangers, which is intentional so she can fit in with the unit and not stick out like a sore thumb.Go ahead and tell me with a straight face how left is so epic and dynamic and cool posing while right is boring and static you fucking faggot, just admit you're a homosexual and be done with it instead of making up ridiculous, patently false justifications for why you hate the model
>>88987314Morale makes sense for Eldar and Tau with no Ethereal on the field
>>88987299>I feel like 9th is the perfect edition retrospecitvelylol its started
>>88987309Just for each faction feeling unique and lore accurate, building your dudes how you want with the weapon options.. faction specific rules, not neutered psychic powers etc etc. 10th just seems to have a quarter of the STUFF in it than 9th
>>88987103very nice. post more
>>88987329>Eldarmaybe for guardians and only guardians I guess>Tausure I guess
>>88987323I remember “they’re a finesse army” or “they’re a scalpel glass cannon” being the fucking cope for them sucking smelly donkey dick in 7/8e.
>>88987270Many thoughts, head full
>>88987329morale also makes plenty of sense for marines. "and they shall know no fear" was not literal, the entire reason HALF OF ALL MARINES IN EXISTENCE turned fucking chaos traitors is because they're emotional manchildren who get scared and angry
>>88987326Based, thank you anon, I had no more energy to argue with that fucking retard but I'm glad I'm not the only sane one here.
>>88987292>Fuck off you turd, the only reason anyone likes her model is because of the tits, her boring, static pose is awful,I like both, the pose is just fine the tits are a bonus.
>>88987338Finesse armies ARE very difficult to get the balance right, if they aren't made strong enough they just suck ass, if they're too strong then you don't need finesse.But from a conceptual standpoint, being a finesse army fits the idea of Grey Knights.
>>88987336Makes sense for warlocks, farseers, autarchs and any aspect warriors that aren’t an exarch too. Eldar are willing to die for their craftworld, but will turn tail and retreat before they stand around to be slaughtered.
>>88986680Inferno! issue N° 13
>>88987326Her pose looks worse in every way. Her left arm looks unnatural and her gun is oversized and not actually held close to her body. The "windswept" robes look far better on the normal ranger. Her high heel stance with one foot looks retarded. Nothing about her model looks better.
>>88987326Based chad anon dunkin' on the retards.
>>88987326>tfw no big tit tall slender muscle mommywhy live
>>88987320>5th Ed4th ed*5th had complete horseshit like Jaws of the World Wolf and No Retreat.
>>88987340When you find a way to represent existential horror and misguided butthurt festering into treason as a game mechanic, let me know. For the purposes of combat, only Night Lords are shown to consistently run from battle like guardsmen.
>>88987361Anon, we get it you are just retarded.
>>88987335I actually adore the new Dark Reapers, maybe just beacuse the metal ones were so shit. Highlighting black with poorly defined edges was maddening
>>88987314>>88987329>>88987340>broken morale = being afraidbrainlets, that also includes disturbed necron protocols and plenthora of other stuffit's an abstractionWhat SHOULD be restricted is Morale "damage" like NL spoopy shit, which should be heavily keyworded to only affect factions that would be reasonably affected
>>88987353Not really, no. Following their paths and knowing their souls will be captured by their stones and all the training they go through means it's virtually irrelevant.
>>88987360Thanks anon, I already tracked it down but I appreciate you.
>>88986741I think you're underestimating it. Blood Angels made excellent use of Upon Wings of Fire. I do agree that they seem less blunty powerful though.
>>88987361This is the most cope and reaching I have ever fucking seen.I understand that your entire worldview and identity will shatter if you are forced to admit to yourself that GW fucked your model update up and you are stuck with these weak ass ranger sculpts for another 20 years, but just outright lying to everyone else is pathetic. Stop.
>>88986977huh, neat. I was going to paint them as rusted metal to go with my silent hill army but now I'm not so sure.
>>88987371marines run the fuck away from daemons or just gigantic ork waahghs all the time. a "tactical withdrawal" or "regrouping" is still running away
>>88987375>it's an abstractionI should shoot every single one of you retards using this word
>>88987361I agree with you.The dude has been starting this for a few days now, just move on. He's clearly got his own opinion.
>>88987387I'm not coping about anything. I don't even own the plastic rangers anon. I don't give a fuck. These are my honest beliefs. Her pose looks worse and I'd use any other ranger model before her.
>>88987376Not according to almost every bit of fluff and lore about them. The only time Elsar really go apeshit and die to the last is when enemies are aboard the Craftworld or if the Avatar is on the field.
>>88987392I mean I don't agree with their argument but they aren't using the wrong word, abstraction is a necessary part of elegant game design. It's just that GW has been taking it too far in many areas ever since 8th dropped.
>>88987390>thinks an orderly tactical withdrawal is the same as being routedLmao
>>88987374good shit. I love the craftworld colourways. Next revamp GW will do much the same.
>>88987399If you say so, I won't try to convince you otherwise anymore, just can't fix bad taste after a point.
Lol remember boarding actions?
>>88987374I love how they explained the reload process in this sculpt and how reaper launcher just have replacable heads like RPGs. NuEldar have so much soul it's clear the designers cared.
>>88987392Just because you're pouty doesn't make it trueNecron chaff has been shown to malfunction in fluff upon sustaining heavy damage and Morale is supposed to represent that, even if they should have higher than average value of LdJust make it so that Night Lord/Nid/Other spooks don't affect their particular morale testsSame goes for DE/Nid venom shit against cron/admech robots btw
>>88987408You can call it a """"tactical withdrawal""" when you fail the battle shock test from the screamer-killer if that makes you feel better. Tactical cry in a corner. Tactical scream at how much you hate your dad.
>>88987418What was that, a rogue trader thing?
>>88987417I think the only thing you care about is that she's a she and is thrusting her titty plates out.
>>88987375>faction mechanic only works on 2 armies Yeah, great game design! I assure you, when Toilet seats see the horror that is the babytorturemobile they will shit their power diapers and run back to Robot.
Rolled 1 (1d6)me n da boyz’re done ere, jumpin to 11e see you gitz on the other side!
>>88987418yes I had a game last weekend
Everyone here forgets failing battleshock doesn't always represent fear.World eaters failing battleshock might just represent then entering full retard mode, where they're too berserk to care about the greater battle (Represented by them not being able to use stratgens or hold objectives).Skittari or Necron battlechock might be a computer error (their OS freezes up and can't run stratagem.exe).You people need more imagination.
>>88987431No it could literally be a man with a flat chest and still be a far better model than what we got, as I've already explained many times. If you can seriously look at these >>88987326 side by side that the other anon posted and tell me with a straight face left is the better detailed model you are clinically retarded and might have brain damage. Literally just compare the left leg on each of them. Look at the proportions of head to body to leg length and how much shittier the left is. Enough of this fucking cope that only coomers prefer the right model because of the tits.
>>88987426Ok, I’ll break it down for you>a company of marines realizes they cannot stall the tyranids nor is there something valuable enough to warrant their sacrifice, withdraws to a better position with greater support Tactical withdrawal>marines get utterly btfo by tyranids Lamenters-on-Malvolion style, scramble to regroup in any form but nonetheless are forced off the fieldRouted.
>>88986891>so bad>6+Hes still an Ork. It's the same as Cawl and the Triumph of St. Katherine and only one behind primarchs and other big named characters. Absolutely nobody gets to ignore morale in 10th. Also, in case you haven't been paying attention, remember lower Ld is better in 10th.
>>88987441cron warriors sustaining damage and malfunctioning = reasonablecron warrior going insane in the membrane over poorly converted baby torture = not so reasonable
>>88987422>Same goes for DE/Nid venom shit against cron/admech robots btwdark eldar venoms being so caustic and toxic that they're capable of corroding metal is totally fine. haemonculi are essentially fucking wizards capable of reality-warping tier biomancy, making a ferrophagic poison is child's play. right now poisoned weapons don't work against Vehicles or Titanic units and that's already enough granularity
>>88987457I think left is the better looking model. More detail doesn't make something look good. Creases in the leg plates don't make it look better. Having a high heel pose doesn't make her look better. None of that makes it look good.
>>88987405Its not that its wrong, its just they always use it to justify the most stupid posts imaginable>>88987422Your post would make sense if all the morale/ld affecting abilities in the game weren't almost universally based around scaring the affected unit.
>>88987471>right now poisoned weapons don't work against Vehicles or Titanic units and that's already enough granularity>be picrelated, a meat vehicle>ignore deldar venomVehicular Torture.
>>88987493fuck me lol
>>88987484>More detail doesn't make something look goodOkay we're done here, the copium has reached catastrophic levels and I literally don't know how to have a conversation with someone as delusional as you. Enjoy your mediocre as fuck models.
>>88987467Yeah I think a lot of anons are just too used to the current leadership values and aren't looking at the 10e ones on their own context. Like the anon bitching that GK have LD6, when Abaddon and Guilliman only have LD5. Ghazzie isn't as good a leader as the fucking professional hand-crafted desk jockey bureaucrat, so he "only" gets LD6 which is equal to the most elite warriors in the imperium besides literal primarchs. The vast majority of units are gonna have LD values of 5-7, they clearly want everyone to have to care about leadership tests and battle shock in 10th
>>88987510He's right. Models have become far too busy and cluttered
>>88987450Man I am absolutely not relying on this power when I play Orks
>>88987180>if I'm running a unit named "Hekatrix Bloodbrides"Well good thing you aren't because those existed have been shunted into legacy for years.
>>88987519>Ghazzie isn't as good a leader as the fucking professional hand-crafted desk jockey bureaucrat>The number 1 leader of the entire Ork society that has an entire system revolving around might = right isn't a good leader You're a lorelet and a retard
>>88987521This hasn't been the case for many years now, at least for 40k. GW pulled back hard on the cluttered models but they overcorrected and that's why we got so many complaints about bland and plain Primaris.
>>88987523>Well good thing you aren't because those existed have been shunted into legacy for years.you're a stupid fucking nigger who doesn't even play dark eldar
>>88987510i love the new rangers, just because you prefer the way a hero model looks doesnt make them mediocre.
>>88987509Thats a monster though
>>88987548No that's a testicle
>>88987519To be fair, there have been several instances of Guilliman making tactical blunders because he lost his composure and become extremely angry.I assume him failing a LD test is him becoming unreasonably pissed.
>>88987523They’re just Wych Cult trueborn equivalents wtf are you on about
>>88987539genuinely does yeah, can't wait for /v/ and /tg/ to hate it
>>88987543Dude, DG and Primaris released at the same time
>>88987456I'm in love and I'm really excited.
>>88987541yeah, he's not actually good at commanding the battlefield the same way girlyman is, that's what happens when you can't count higher than ten and rely on ambient psychic energy to do 99% of the heavy lifting. the WAAGH isn't infallible and orks devolve into infighting constantly. acting like orks under ghazzie are ultra-efficient lockstep stormtroopers is hilarious.
>>88987456The lore inaccuracies still annoy me but I'll just try and turn off my autism and enjoy it for what it is because it does look like a sick game in its own right if you pretend it's not canon.
>>88987456>>88987539>>88987554It looks great, but god damn it there better be a horde mode
>>88987463You can stand and fight when you fail battleshock. You just aren't capping objective or receiving strats. It's less "routed" than it's ever been. More like disorganized.
>>88987577there was in the first one, hopefully this time its less barebones.
>>88987574What lore inaccuracies do you detect in that clip
>>88987550if your testicle looks like that you better call a doctor
>>88987586not him, but primaris is a lore inaccuracy in my garage.
>>88987585I remember, it was a lot of fun. Really enjoyed playing a heavy bolter devastator.
>>88987598yeah they really nailed the feel of the guns, especially the heavy bolter
What are everyone's hopes/fears/expectation for deldar on monday?
>>88987510>more detail = good always!You're honestly absurd and everything wrong with the general plamo community.
>>88987590Do the testicles of a real man intimidate you
>>88987586>marine commanders going off on their own like Master Chief from Halo instead of commanding a proper force of marines>at most you have 3 guys on screen at once>tyranid boneswords don't have the crackling energy field, can somehow be parried by a chainsword even though they would cut clean through it like butter because they are psychic power weaponsI realize it's not that big a deal, I'm just a fucking autist about this stuff. The 10th ed cinematic did a way better job of showing off how deadly nids are, they're like night and day with the non-canon levels of marinewank that this game does.But again it still looks fun.
>>88987595Your garage is irrelevant fanfiction so it doesn't matter.
>>88987623I don't play DE so I don't care
I'm still excited for 10th
>new edition is Tempest+>GK can redeploy and shunt at will>BadThe amount of no games in this thread is much higher than I anticipated Also I'm glad they just aren't inverted TS and are more holy artificer knights.
>>88986300Hit or miss, I guess they never miss, huh?
>>88987631try saying that in my garage, bitch nigga
>>88987628Fair enough, I’d agree those are actually legitimate gripes from a lore perspective. I’m not expecting a New Vegas level experience from it, I just want to stomp around in power armor and blast or chainsaw bugs.
>>88987641me too, i play orks and eldar btw
>>88987595>>88987654Based garagehammer enjoyer
>>88987624That's a REZEL?
>>88987654Why would I come? I don't want AIDS or Hepatitiz.
>>88987623I'm thinking they'll be good. Slightly higher floor and ceiling.Faction is power from pain, but first half, second half instead of by round. Detachment is Real space raid. You get bonuses for each of the three Deldar categories or could just take 2 or 1. All in all mild but good. But the datasheets will be spicy and well priced.
>>88987670i knew you were a pussy
>>88987623>HopesPower from Pain is good>FearsPower from Pain is bad>NightmareSplinter weapons are only Anti-Infantry 5+
>>88987668When you strip away the layers and layers of bullshit added on for the sake of complexity and detail, yup.
Five days, seven factions. Who gets a faction focus next week?>Genestealer Cults>Deathwatch>Dark Angels>Blood Angels>Space Wolves>Emperor's Children
>>88987683>Anti-InfantryThe lack of Poisoned USR scares me, but as we've seen with Votann conversion weapons, it could be a faction specific USR.
>>88987681I just don't want your cooties
>>88987689we already know its deldar on monday.
>>88987689Are you fucking retarded?
>>88987689Non compliant chapters are one preview, they already announced it. You've clearly been under a Rock.
>>88987687It looks like at least two of them together.
>>88987689BA, DA and SW rolled into one previewNext week is>DE>DW>GSC>Non Compliant ChaptersAnd then Friday is the announcement of release date.
>>88987689>ECwhere do you buy your crack?
>>88987689GW already said they aren't doing focuses for the variant Space Marine forces. Unclear if that will include Deathwatch or not. Emperor's Children literally don't even have rules outside of the CSM book until they get their actual release.It's just Drukhari, GSC, maybe Deathwatch, and that's it.
>>88987693I see no reason why Poison cant be converte into anti-infantry 4+, since without devastating wounds, it is simply a auto-wound rule like poison
>>88987713DW shouldn't be included in that statement but we'll see I guess.Imperial Agents should get their own too, everyone is forgetting about them.
>>88987623Power from pain army rule. Probably tweaked powers, but broadly the same. Tri-faction stuff given the boot. Default detachment is called "Realspace Raid." It probably give some mild, generally applicable combat bonus, but I'd like something more interesting like Raiders and Venoms have "Assault Ramp" equivalents.
>>88987689As an EC fan, I don't appreciate this shit post.They've already shown that EC is currently just "CSM led by Lucius" in the Daemon preview
>>88987714This is exactly what it will be. Anti-Infantry 4+, Anti-Monster 5+.
>>88987714Poison should work on monsters and calvary. So they could do multiple anti, or anti-non vehicle. I expect it to be a faction rule
>>88987713>Drukhari, GSCBOOOOO who gives a shit! Where da muhrines at?!
>>88987719Oh yeah maybe Agents gets one at the end.
> Army wide deep strikeI love the image that those gigantic baby holder robots just constantly jump up and down from the sky each turn.
>>88987723>EC is currently just "CSM led by Lucius"Righteous.
>>88987623>fearsrules will be bad>hopesrules will be good so I can dump my drukhari army into retards that think a faction is 3 rules and a datasheet
>>88987693>faction specific USR.
So Admech have the best army rule at the moment still right? Free mortals on any enemy units in their own deployment zone every single turn?
>>88987738You mean disappear and then reappear in a burst of lightning as they bend the warp to their will
I just want fun rules and mechanics
>>88987731>>Drukhari, GSC>BOOOOO who gives a shit! Where da muhrines at?!This but unironically.I don't give a shit about xenos NPCs, I just want my power armored dudes.
>>88987765Admech have a garbage rule you dumbass
>>88987756assume he means like this, where a faction has a defined weapon ability that functions the same wherever it shows up. "Poisoned Weapons" could easily be something like that
>>88987765>i did 1 mortal wound on my opponent's cultist squad>best army rule in the game
>>88987756>>88987779if nids didnt get a special poison rule, drukhari probably wont either. they will most likely just use anti-keyword x and not give those weapons critical bonuses
>>88987765>lets play this scenario with several objectives in the deployment zones
>>88987779>>88987782That's not a USR, just like Shuriken wasn't a USR.
>>88987765>>88987799rad-bombardment isn't the army rule
>>88987801nids having toxin sacs and acid maw as optional upgrades for some units is not nearly as core to the faction aesthetic as deldar having combat drugs and poisoned weapons
>>88987765Eh. It's okay. Amusingly it's almost pointless vs. Necrons and actively detrimental vs. Sisters.
>>88987782doubt that weapon ability will be limited to votann, contemptor dreads can take conversion beam weapons too
>>88987766I mean, yeah that’s what its intention is, but it’s hilarious to think they’re just jumping up and down constantly. Like a small child getting hold of the robot miniature and just bouncing it up and down on the table.
>>88987821maybe not, but thats irrelevant to the fact that they can represent poison as it has worked in the past with existing rules.
>>88987846>Like a small child getting hold of the robot miniature and just bouncing it up and down on the table.Like this? https://youtu.be/YxPy2heneos?t=171
>>88987801>drukhari probably wont either>The faction whos poisoned weapons are as ubiquitous as bolters to marines
>>88987861Yeah kind of
>>88987871you missed the point in the same way the other guy did. refer to >>88987853
>>88987809>takes battleshock for the first battle round, as it doesn't affect scoring at all, dodging the first potential d3>then take an average of 2.6MW across the entire rest of the gameAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA SAVE MEEEEEEEEEEEEA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>88987809>let's not.Out fucking skilled.
>>88987812>>88987834Ok it can be an SR on some niche weapons. Same effective difference, people will come to know exactly what poisoned is just like how Feel No Pain stayed 2 editions despite not being the name.
Do Slaanesh people ever employ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_bomb?
>>88987756There is literally nothing wrong with faction specific USRs.
>>88987957in what way are they universal?
>>88987935I don't remember gay bombs specifically but slaanesh are known to weaponize extreme sensation in combat. One example is when fighting imperial assassins conditioned to be virtually immune to pain, they instead flood them with pleasure and other positive sensory overload to disable them, since the imperial training regimen for assassins doesn't include a course on edging and tantric sex lmao. POWER WORD: CUM can disable an enemy long enough for you to cut their head off better than trying to torture someone immune to it.
>>88987889Have fun with your turn one as guard without any orders to cover your ass.And if you're not able to run everyone out of deployment zone immediately, that's even more of your chaff whittled down, especially any mortar pits you've got.
>>88987809>>88987909It's random in 10th. You draw cards.
>>88987966they universally apply to every unit in the faction? it's like how "poisoned weapons" works right now in 9th, everyone with the keyword has the same rule and you know what it is with just a glance
>>88987966By not being re-written on every single datasheet you fucking pedant.
>>88987967>that literal tentacle rape scene of the callidus assassin in InquisitorIan Watson was a man of culture.
>>88987973>Have fun with your turn one as guard without any orders to cover your ass.I'll take the mortal on the few units you can order now>And if you're not able to run everyone out of deployment zone immediately, that's even more of your chaff whittled down, especially any mortar pits you've got.Yeah, whittled down by 2.6MW across the entire game. Scary stuff. Actually shaking rn, fr fr
>>88985635Tyranid hive ships can literally chomp Emperor-class battleships in half, I think they'll be fine
>>88987973>Bitching because parking lot guard is no longer viable Good.
>>88985876>tyranids actually acting intelligent for once is nonsense
>>88988023tiny bug have smol brain
>>889879932.6MW per unit. Like your tanks. And artillerymen. It'll add up. And save your opponent needing to waste shots into high toughness vehicles.
>>88988033the wording of "entire swarm" implies that there would be leader beasts in there
>>88985921>Vengeful SpiritPlanet Killer, anon, Abaddon only brought out Vengeful Spirit as his final trump card once Planet Killer was destroyed in the battle of Cadia by the Phalanx
I can't decide if I want to do a meme Agents of the Imperium+Knights list for 10th running assassins and inquisitors and rogue traders plus bigueg robots, or if I just wanna play eldar. I guess I'll have my choice somewhat made for me depending on what the detachment building rules end up looking like.
>>88987984>>88987988are faction abilities universal special rules? no, they’re faction abilities, despite being listed on every data sheet without needing to repeat the full wording of the rule. A faction specific universal special rule is an oxymoron. Besides, conversion won’t be specific to Votann once the forgeworld units get rules.
>>88985921>Note that the Tyranids don't have anything of that caliber of firepower.That's becuase Tyranids aren't retarded and realize that spreading out that sort of firepower among a bunch of smaller ships is more tactically sound than having one huge target. Over9000 Hive Ships shooting is better than one big station.
>>88988062> faction abilities universal special rules?Sort of yeah actually. USRs don't have to apply to multiple factions, only multiple units. Again, you're a dumb pedant.
>>88988076I am a correct pedant.
>>88986536>Primarchs were a mistakeHe's literally right about that tho, the Emperor broke the number one rule he set for everyone else to create them: never sign deals with the Warp
>>88988035> And artillerymenOh no! >And save your opponent needing to waste shots into high toughness vehicles.Yeah true, you'll win based on a Leman Russ getting to 9 wounds if it sits in deployment for the entire game lmaonotice how you've had to focus on Guard to even try and make this shit look good? Telling
>>88988052Planet Killer wasn't destroyed. The Planet Killer is in Nachmund.
>>88988089Universal doesn't have a defined meaning so you aren't. You take it to mean "can apply to any factions." That is not any more correct an interpretation than "can apply to any number of units and used predominantly or exclusively by one faction."They also aren't specifically called USRs in 10th but instead keywords which is what really makes any of this discussion stupid.
>>88986536>>88986550Stop making me like Custodes.
>Melee weapons consolidatedFug.>EVERYTHING ELSEYES
>>88988159>>88986536>>88986550Isn't this the guy that Henry Cavill wants to play if they do a 30k series? Because holy shit that makes him even more based than I imagined. Dude is a TRVE GROG.
>>88988116GW refers to them as universal special rules in their warhammer community preview of 10th edition and specifically says that they made the change so that rules are clear across factions.
>>88987756GSCs also have conversion beamer retard
>>88988195which is exactly why poison weapons will use the anti-keyword x weapon ability they have introduced
>>88988111Yes it was. You're confusing it with his new supership.
>>88987158>Thinks my "I sleep" post is whiningJust saying that grey knights are a fucking bore regardless of good rules or not
how many grey knights are there?
>>88988195And yet their actual name is Keywords.
>>88988241around 1000 give or take. it is a reallyt small army but power army against daemons and chaos. a little above average for everything else. also I have to state Terminator Armour is standard issue for every GK. Being a Strike is a special thing
>>88988230No. I am not. Only the Will of Eternity was destroyed. Go check it.
>>88987709Was this said somewhere or revealed in a dream?
>>88988241normal chapter strength
>>88986550valdor barely containing his disgust and anger at sanguinius' uwu softboy hugging pity party when the entire reason the heresy started was because primarchs and their legions went full fucking retard and couldn't stop being overly emotional manchildren is great. I'm not that big a fan of banana boys in general but every time they fucking dunk on marines and point out how the entire reason the galaxy is so fucked is their fault it brings a smile to my face. a 50% failure rate is unacceptable for a fucking ketchup bottle, let alone super soldiers tasked with protecting humanity
>>88987509Need to get me one of these tactical testicles