>>88983510
>TQ
Nothing.

>phoenix precon
>removed expressive iteration for two more phoenixes
>added 4 things in ice
>4 crackling drakes
>now thinking to remove thing in ice and add 4 enigma drakes
Thoughts?

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Went 3-1 with UWr delver tonight, trying out faerie mastermind.
>R1: 4c Yorion Pile (1-2)
G1: He ends up super choked on mana - I stifle his fetch, and all he has is forest boseiju. Pretty straightforward win.
G2: I mull, and he has a hierarch on the play. My hand is a bit too clunky, and he just hits me with a coatl with exalted. I never really find enough threats and concede to a natural order.
G3: He plays a turn 2 carpet, and I boarded out my pendings (forgot about carpet, and was boarding up cards like EtF). I'm just buried in mana and can never recover - he had karakas with atraxa and enough mana to cast it.
>R2: Doomsday (2-1)
G1: I keep a good opener on the play, but he has a phenomenal opener that involves playing grief with force backup and turn 1 doomsday. I end up with a daze left, but I don't find a stifle in 2 turns (I had no cantrip) and die to cavern thoracle
G2: I stifle a fetch and daze a petal, and he just never really gets to play the game. It ended with faerie mastermind beats while he's discarding to hand size.
G3: We have a very intense fight on his turn 3 over a fetch (I fetch in response to stifle, he oppo agents, i force, he forces, i force again). We're both left with basically no hand but my deck is better off the top (which is expected) and I end up getting enough momentum to win.
(Cont.)

>TQ
Historic. It's actually unironically a great format. It's like if modern were good

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>>88983617
>R3: UR Delver (2-0)
G1: I mull to 5, and keep a super mana-denial hand. I can stifle his t1 fetch and waste his second dual, but he has time to bolt my delver. I remember we both cantrip some, but I remember we fight over a threat of mine (I think a mastermind), and we both end up hellbent but I have three basics and he has volc wasteland. I'm eventually able to get a SFM, and he doesn't have the answer and dies to kaldra.
G2: He mulls to 6, but has a strong t1 delver that flips naturally hand. He's keeping my stuff off board and dazed my plow, but isn't finding much and just keeps chipping me for 3. I get a SFM for batterskull, and his interaction for it is chain lightning (which i can finally counter with FoN) and batterskull gets into play with me at like 6. which is enough life for me to just win with it.
>R4: UG show and tell (with the new card Vesuvan Drifter)
G1: I have a turn 1 delver and skillfully flip it, and also have a stifle for a fetch and a wasteland for a dual. I pretty much bury him and he never even casts a threat.
G2: He has an ok opener, but I twice get to faerie mastermind in response to a cantrip and end up with lots of interaction. He has a decent amount of mana, but I have enough countermagic that he never really gets things going. I think this matchup is horrendous for him, since the drifter being a 2/4 doesn't even help against white removal
All in all, really impressed with faerie mastermind in this deck speficially. I'm still not sure what the correct cuts are, but I wouldn't be surprised if the correct iteration of this deck does involve 3 copies. I think it also might be time to trim the BEBs in my sideboard, since I haven't hit a red deck other than UR delver in a while (excepting reanimator, but it's horrible versus them).
(Pic related is the card from the 4th round show and tell deck)

>>88983510
>TQ
Modern. 2 years ago theformat was absent in my area. 2 stores, one modern fnm, I was the only one to ever show up. Eventually I asked for a wednesday event and 1 or two people would come. I kept pushing, asking around and now we have at least 16 people show up every week.
Local meta is healthy, everybody has fun. Feels good.

>>88983432
Pestilence has fallen out (as an enchantment) of favor as there is no real go hyper wide deck.
Orzhov mostly means Ephemerate ( https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/pauper-orzhov-ephemerate#paper ) which is just the usual WB value shell with battlecries, you can likely slap a pestilence if your meta is super dude heavy.
Issue is the same "Playing midrange without insane value engine and small creatures means games go on forever" so online you often clock out. Same with BR bully decks (the 3 different builds of it). Just learn not to over extend and the deck has a good MU vs most of the field (if you go up vs fog do not fucking get into a slapfight g1, go g2 and spam discard spells to resolve a goliath then just pass turn).

>>88983588
that seems pretty high cmc for a phoenix deck.

>>88983793
Why lock an opponent when you can just kill them?
Think about the answer very carefully.

asymmetrical chalice when

>>88972531
>>88983793
>>88983855
updated list from prev thread

//Main
3 Painter's Servant
3 Grindstone
3 Ensnaring Bridge
2 Welding Jar
3 Karn, the Great Creator
4 Wasteland
4 Urza's Saga
1 Academy Ruins
8 Island
4 Ancient Tomb
4 Force of Will
4 Codex Shredder
2 Pyxis of Pandemonium
4 Lantern of Insight
4 Ponder
3 Fabricate
4 Transmute Artifact

//Sideboard
2 Pithing Needle
1 Torpor Orb
2 Relic of Progenitus
1 Grafdigger's Cage
2 Defense Grid
2 Damping Sphere
1 Ensnaring Bridge
1 Painter's Servant
1 Grindstone
2 Flusterstorm

not a shitpost, just bad at deckbuilding

about to go to fnm for the first time, will update

>>88983828
as stated, for the salt. there is a special feeling that comes from playing with lantern, where you get to watch someone's face as their library withers away in the most soul-draining fashion possible: one card at a time, face-up for everyone to watch. and when you do leave a card, not only do they know it's a bad one, but they can see that they will be drawing a basic for turn for the fifth turn in a row. the power trip does work on my dopamine receptors.

>>88983992
Remember to shake hands with everyone there before the match

>>88983996
How is lantern functional when the format is so full of good cantrips?
Also fabricate is really not playable, it is so much mana just to hope you can then resolve the resulting spell, and it doesn't even find the best card in your deck (saga).
On the other hand, you don't even have enough blue spells to sustain force of will, so cutting more is bad too

>>88983996
>For le salt!
Ah, apologies I now realize you are underage so you won't do anything but yell nigger on cockatrice (you can't afford legacy).

>>88983588
I'm a neeb retard, the post

>>88983996
>but they can see that they will be drawing a basic for turn for the fifth turn in a row
I don't even have 5 basics in my deck

Computer search for 1 mana red creatures with haste
OK computer now 2 mana red creatures with haste
Now fill it with basic lands
My tier 0 deck is ready

>>88983974
>>88983996
You didn't think about anon's post at fucking all.
His point is that you are building towards to diametrically opposed things, in one hand you want to resolve painter+stone (this wins the game now) in the other one you want to sit down and look smug while the other player "draws bad" (forgetting legacy has no such thing as 'draws bad', legacy graves are just your hand but public, etc...).
Legacy isn't a format where you can sit down and land-pass-go forever, letting the other dude chill and milling them 1-2 cards at a time just means they'll combo off and buttfuck you. Your deck doesn't work, it might get some 3-2s but it isn't consistent, you have a bad deck mushed with a worse version of a good deck. You are also playing a lot of cards that are just plainly bad (Fabricate, FoW with only 11 blue cards, transmute artifact, welding jar).
Lantern control can (almost maybe) work in legacy, painter is a real deck, painterlantern is not a deck. Choose one or the other.

>>88984060
One shredder certainly doesn't cut it; you need at least three, which is why I was running like 12 shredder effects at one point. i've been considering adding voltaic servant for the extra procs.
what do you think a good alternative to Fabricate would be? i'm also pretty unsatisfied with transmute artifact, but i'm kind of at a loss there, because it's basically just neoform for artifacts, so it probably belongs here, yeah? (likely showing my inexperience here)
with force pitching to force, 14 cards are valid pitches; i will probably still wind up going back down to 3 forces tho

>>88984091
>>88984108
again, this is for play at the kitchen table; i don't necessarily want something like painter that will win on turn two or turn three, when my friends play decks that won't be online until turn four or later, but i also do want to be able to close the game out eventually. if i was taking this to a league or a tournament, yeah, i'd obviously be making much different decisions lmao, but it's only going to see play about two feet to the left of my salt shaker, so i'm comfortable taking the less "effective" route, and doing a bit of the janky weird shit like this. a 3-2 in a league with anything i build would honestly be a happy surprise, especially if it felt like the deck even slightly coherently functioned against "real" legacy decks lmao. just different outlooks on the game, bro, no need to have a conniption about it.

>>88984158
If it is for casual kitchen table why are you asking for help then deflecting away from it with "it is for kitchen table"? Who the fuck cares about your ever changing "kitchen table" definitions? Use a standard, thus why using online metas as a general measuring stick and aiming to win tournaments.
Just do whatever you want then. If you arent ready to be told your idea sucks and why, don't share it.

>>88984205
senpai, if it bothers you that much that i play and build decks for a different context than the format is usally played in, then by all means, feel free to keep your fingers off the keyboard lmfao. i firmly believe that no deck, with enough thought and care, is inherently "bad;" if you're not willing to help me put the thought or care in, then why say anything? this concept tickled my brain, and i intend to see it through; you telling me to shut the fuck up will only bump the thread.

>>88984205
Based, that nigger is a troll.

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Here is your main set Galadriel

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>>88984255

>Shitter deckbuilder "bait" gets called out
>Instantly racebait begins
;^)
Reminder paupershill was right.

>>88984317

would

>>88984317
Nice tan, miss!

>play my upgraded phoenix precon
>get rekt by mono R
why the FUCK am I wasting time with blue when I could just do direct damage with red

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>>88983510
>TQ
Pioneer is the most popular format around with people not being meta chasers so we sometimes manage to get a 100% decks variety (each player is bringing a different list).
Pauper is the second most popular format here and my format of choice as well. More meta oriented because the price tag is not limiting most of the people but still fun.
At home I'm mostly playing Sealed and Jumpstart with my gf.
Started to play Standard on Ar*na a few weeks ago to see how bad the format is for real. I knew it was shit back then when I dropped it around DMU but holy fuck this shit is unplayable right now. Managed to hit Plat with my Toxic deck which marked the end of my interest in Standard.

>>88983588
>added 4 things in ice
The deck comes with 2x Thing in the Ice out-of-the-box you dum dum.

>>88984561
Well, now it has 6!

>>88984699
That's it, as soon as the judge is done teaching little Timmy about the stack in the toilet I am having him kick you out Mr. Chiffre

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>>88983510
Whatever happened to Circle of Protection?

>>88984561
I meant add 2 making 4 total

Lads I really miss the thrill of opening packs of cards and I want to get back into card collecting. I love dark fantasy themes and artwork so I’ve been thinking more and more about MTG, though I know nothing about it. Always just love the idea of hunting for rare, cool and valuable cards though.

Is it worth getting into and where would I even begin? Is there a quick guide? I’d also be interested in learning how to play online using cards I’ve acquired IRL… used to do that as a kid with the DBZ TCG.

>>88984848
>NEW PLAYER HERE
Fuck off.

>>88983617
>>88983624
based

>>88984848
lol
lmao

>>88984848
i must apologize for my colleagues
we just think the game is dying and not worth it, but they're using a rude ways to discourage new players

>>88984940

I get it. We hate what we love most and vice versa etc.

From my outsider perspective though, MTG seems like the most immortal CCG, if there ever could be one. For as long as the idea exists at all there will always be Magic. So I’ve always thought of it as the “safest” to get into as far as longevity. Is there any truth to that or am I way off base here

>>88984848
>mtg
>dark fantasy
I think you should go for F&B. It's cheaper, better, and you're supporting an independent company with a founder who actually cares about and plays TCGs (he built me my first WoW deck when I was a retarded kid)

>got beaten because guy literally spent hundreds on a deck that had super good cards and comboed well
Fucking cool p2w shit

>>88985223
Your first mistake was thinking Magic is a skill based game.

>>88985226
All the tech and mindset stuff I watched from the prof, all the practice and sequencing I did at home against friends, all for naught because the dollar is the most powerful

>>88985248
It's all a cope-filled LARP from people who don't want to admit they've wasted years of their life on a luck based game.

>I must've lost because my sideboard only had 2 copies of Rest in Peace instead of 3! Darn, if only I was better at predicting the meta!

And other such funny jokes.

Man why couldn't I have had this revelation before I spent a bunch of money

>>88985013
MTG is the only card game I would invest in, within the US. Flesh n Blood, YGO, and anime doesn't compare at all over here.

>>88985223
>>88985226
>>88985248
>>88985268
>>88985273
burn your cards

>>88985273
Just look at these people: >>88985296. Note how he said he "invests" in the game, not "plays" it? This is the mindset of people who buy Magic product at this point. You're not playing a game with other people who want to play a game; you're playing against someone who's just pouring money into the game. The card game is secondary to the investment potential.

>>88985302
I dumped anything remotely valuable on my LGS for store credit and threw the rest in the trash. There was a pretty decent amount of playable commons and uncommons, but I just don't care anymore. I'm not willing to let entrenchment rule me.

>>88985304
this is cope. Investing into the game goes beyond monetary investment. my patience, time, practice, and community participation is all a part of my investment. All the other tcgs suck at a mechanical level desu. Magic is the only card game I always have fun playing.

>>88985310
Now leave the board and suck shit at a diff game and cry on their general

Yugitrannies raiding the thread again lmfao, anyway.
Went 3-1 at Pioneer yesterday with greasy boy, won against RDW, spirits (lucked out, managed to resolve my spells against him for once) and fires incarnation. Lost against a niv to light deck where he managed to draw every single relevant 1-of in his deck with a single turn 3 niv, i had at least 1 thoughtseize on all of my starting hands but still lost, sometimes they just get ya. Promo pack for 2nd place had nothing good on it.

>>88985333
Watching you faggots squirm every time WotC shoves another inch in your asshole is too amusing.

>tips to get good at magic
>just have better luck bro :D

>>88985335
It is just ACG being in cope mode aka our local schizo.
>Yfw one of these tards choose FoW as less powercreep happy than magic

>>88984798
Complete immunity from damage of a color was bad design so they left it in the dust.

>>88985416
luck is a skill

>>88985510
LOL

>>88985482
>a core strength of white have bad feels so they removed it
>same with land destruction and balance effects
>heavy taxing also removed
It’s almost like slowly destroying White’s color pie identities over the years made it the weak pile of lifegain and Sun Titan shit that it is today.

>>88985335
do you run liliana in your build? I like her as a 1-of or 2-of because she boosts your chances of getting delirium while also just being an okay card against most non-aggro decks

>>88985555
Only on the sideboard, I prefer being 120% in on the combo on game 1 to maximize the chance of winning before the hate comes in.

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>>88985407

Can't wait to test out my White/Black Ephemerate deck! No, it's NOT Orzhov because I run zero cards from Ravnica. People need to cut that out, it's just retarded.

>>88985808
>no shocklands
your deck sucks

>>88985829
Sir, this is pauper format. You will play your Scoured Barrens and Basilicas and you will like it.

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>>88985837
basilica is a ravnica card :)

>>88985847
I don't have any...

>>88985859
you probably should

Reminder that Bouncelands are taplands that generate card advantage on ETB.

>>88985864
I have a pair coming in the mail, but I highly doubt they will arrive in time for tonight's card battles. Until then I shall be playing at a slight disadvantage. Tough cookie.

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>>88985868
lol

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>>88985889
Do people play that with Darksteel Citadel?

>>88985912
with the artifact taplands from mh2

>>88985919
What synergy does Cleansing Wildfire have with artifact taplands?

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>>88985931

>>88985939
Oh sorry I forgot they were indestructible on top of that. Guess they don't called it Cleansing WildFIRE for nothing.

>>88985931
they're indestructible

So, what you try it destroy your own land. but you can't, but you still get to search for a land?
I don't get it.

>>88985978
you "destroy" it, then the second part of the effect happens even if it didn't actually get destroyed

>>88985978
Correct. When spells or abilities resolve, provided they still have at least one legal target, they'll just do as much as they can. In this case Wildfire attempts to destroy the land but can't because of indestructible, then you get to go get a land and draw a card.

whenever wotc does something i don't like i'll complain loudly online, but ultimately buy a couple boxes of new set anyway because i don't want to miss out :3

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>>88986286

>>88985482
Just run removal
>>88985549
Don't forget the removal of banding and other ways to dominate combat

ban triomes
on every single format

>>88986485
this nigga really pretending that banding helped you in combat in any way lmfao

>>88986486
this. what the fuck were they thinking adding fetchable tri lands.

>>88986485
And also Gavin’s idea of restricting First Strike to only on your turn instead of permanently having it as a deterrent. It really feels like the long con of effectively removing White from the game. And of course EDH babies cry about MLD and balance effects because “muh bad feels and spirit of format”. It’s all such tiresome hypocrisy.

fable reprint when

>>88986909
they pulled the newest pioneer challenger decks because it would have fable and sheoldred

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>>88986926
n-no...

>>88986909
reprints usually happen 2 years after their first printing, specially if it's a high demand card, since fable came out in early 2022, we could expect a reprint at some point in 2024

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>>88986604

pioneer masters soon

why do pauper lists care about snow lands?

>>88987031
skred

>>88986970
What a faggot

>>88986970
>god
wasn't he explicitly stated to not be a god?

>>88987169
shut up bigot

>>88987169
>Nevertheless, Tolkien left clues that Bombadil is a Vala, a god of Middle-Earth, specifically Aulë, the archangelic demigod who created the dwarves.

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>>88987169

>>88986604
They were thinking how to get people to buy the set. Balance has been a distant afterthought for years.

I can't wait to open Lord of the Rings: tales of middle earth!
I m soo excited!
Modern will finally get fixed and i will enjoy playing fury alongside with Aragorn and Sauron!
I will play 2 pre releases and can't wait to see what i open!
This is gonna be a very cool set, Kappa

>>88987652
You're trying too hard, and yet somehow not enough.

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Blue is literally unfair and counter spells are exactly the same as "taking another turn" spell and should be banned outright.

>>88985889
>Playing dies to aggro memes
Lol indeed

Black is literally unfair and instant speed kill spells are exactly the same as "taking another turn" spells and should be banned outright.

>>88987854
This post should be a bannable offense on /tg/. I am completely serious.

White is literally unfair and lifegain spells are exactly the same as "taking another turn" spells and should be banned outright.

>>88987854
Accurate
>>88987910
Giant stretch.

>>88987941
cope noob, learn to play against counter magic like all good players have.

>>88987961
Theres no way to play around it. It's either play a land and so nothing or play a land and get countered.

lmfao

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Can she be good?
Can she be Fun?

>>88988072
she's fun in pd

>>88988101
Pd?

>>88988072
she ptiches to fury, grief and force of negation, if you can find a deck that wants to play all of these together, you can probably shove her in there and have it not be completely terrible

>>88988221
penny dreadful, it's a community made format on MTGO

>>88988317
>Elementals.
Seems like a fun idea, but my bank account can't handle that right now lol

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is the mox here even a good pick?

>>88988072
neither her +1 or -1 give any kind of ca. +1 protects herself against a creature, and acts as a wincon, but there are tons of planeswalkers that already do this while also giving ca.
her costing 4 doesn't do her any favors either.

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Isn't this basically a green Time Walk?

>>88988582
Always. The sooner you get Minsc out the better.

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>this is now $10

>>88988663
Yeah. People realized it's fucking good.
>Enemy just have shit like Atraxa in their deck with a means to play her legitimately. Exile it from their hand so it can't be reanimated
>Easy to flip and great when it does

>>88988663
>mfw bought a playset on MTGO for less than 2 tix
>sold them back for a little less than 80 tix
I have so much tix on me right now I don't even know what to buy next

>>88988781
like 53.33 penny dreadful decks

>>88988806
When was the last white villain before Norn?
And I mean fully white, not any other color and white.

>>88988907
I didn't mean to quote. Sorry.

>>88988907
Konda - Og Kamigawa
Ravnica had the azorius guy, but doesn't count
Norn - New Phyrexia
"Heliod" kind of was a villain - Theros

>>88988907
Oketra

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>>88988631
ended up going 2-1, lost to reanimator. next time i'll pick up moxes no matter what, since i didn't even end up playing the creature i got from that pack.

I have almost everything for a modern burn deck but the fucking draw lands. How disadvantaged will I be with just basic mountains?

>>88990083
>How disadvantaged will I be with just basic mountains?
a lot
burn is a deck that has only managed to keep up with the rest of the format because it's so efficient, it wins a lot of games thanks to small edges, playing only mountains means throwing a lot of those edges away

like, you can still win against decks that aren't ready to face burn, but you're always going to be one or two burn spells short of winning games against actual competitive decks

>>88983510
>lands lose mana abilities
>no one can play the game
>0 CMC

Anyway, the only format I play is cube. Everything else can eat my entire ass. Yes, even Commander. Commander was ruined the moment WotC began "supporting" (=manipulating) it.

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Wonder how different the next standard paper tourny will be from this.

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>>88990198
>let's print more undercosted legendary creatures and treasure tokens, that will fix the game

>>88990205
It feels really weird to me that the color that seems to make the most treasure tokens is red.
The color that should, balance wise, probably ramp mana the slowest

>>88990169
Well shit I'm hoping they at least get printed in commander legends. I have very few of them from when mh1 was printed to shit.

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>Son wants me to buy a box of ONE with him.
>Feel like I should buy MoM instead
>Really want to buy BRO tho
>All choices feel like bad choices

>>88990232
Red has been the ritual color forever

>>88990198
Hopefully very after they ban fable and bloodtithe

>>88990480
I don't think bloodtithe is going to get banned. I'm sure Fable and Sheolerd will.

>>88990286
Buying any sealed product is always a bad choice.
Though I feel like ONE is the best bang for buck.
I'd definitely stay away from BRO though, set sucks ass. It's literally held up by shitty ultraspecific edh cards.

>>88988072
i like that she is flavorful enough that she protects herself and corrupts things so they specifically can't hurt her but she couldn't give a fuck about the planeswalker that summoned her

>>88990687
A lot of planeswalkers wouldn't.
Just imagine how Nicol Bolas would react to being summoned by literal who

Any place that is cheaper but of equal quality to proxyking?

>>88988072
she can't be you're commander

>>88990865
Okay? I don't want to play commander.

>>88986970
OH GEE I WONDER WHAT FORMAT THIS CARD WAS CREATED FOR

>>88987195
You forgot the moment he threw the ring in the air and made it fucking disappear for a few seconds.

>>88988663
I told this thread that this was the best card in the set, but noooo, nobody listens to the raving doomposting schizo.

>>88985808
>No, it's NOT Orzhov
This really bothers me too, regardless of use of Ravnica cards. People calling UWR Jeskai or BUG Sultai bothers me, as does people calling things like UW Initiative Azorius Initiative.

>>88990494
Sheoldred still selling boxes. I'm jot saying bloodtithe is the correct ban, but I do think it'll be the scapegoat

>>88991411
sheoldred invalidates most aggressive strategies, it has to go if they want aggro to be a thing

>>88991411
And Fable, Bankbuster, and Wanderer aren't selling NEO boxes?

>>88991418
It's also an $80 card that's propping up the EV of an otherwise lackluster set. You are correct in terms if gameplay, tho.
>>88991420
NEO likely won't be in print much longer, if it even still is. Besides, the set is fairly valuable with channel lands and other multi format staples. One or two standard bans won't impact the value of that box very much.

>>88991464
Inb4 they ban all channel lands

>>88991506
Just ban Boseiju. Oh wait they'll never do that because it was pushed for a reason. They literally made the ability cost 2 mana instead of 4 like the rest of them because they wanted it to be a chase rare, and you faggots will put up with it anyway.

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are you ready?

>>88991550
I don't play any format that pile of shit will be legal on.

>>88991527
>You faggots
I'm not buying NEO boxes or Boijou. I don't know why you're holding be accountable fucker.

>>88991550
I'm aggressively indifferent, I know nothing about LotR lore so all the references are lost on me, I haven't taken Modern seriously in a long time and I don't think anything from the set is going to end up impacting Legacy too much.
I also am not sure if this set is even going to be on MTGO, which is where I play the game.

>>88991550
Nothing in it fits into any of my decks or wows me at all.
The whole "ring tempts you, but there are not consequences, lol" also killed all interest.

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>>88991550
>Ragavan, Ring-Bearer
>Legendary Creature - Monkey
>Skulk
>Whenever Ragavan, Ring-Bearer becomes becomes blocked by a creature, that creature's controller sacrifices it at the end of combat.
>Whenever Ragavan, Ring-Bearer deals combat damage to a player, create a Treasure token and exile the top card of that player’s library. Until end of turn, you may cast that card. Draw a card, then discard a card. Each opponent loses 3 life.
>Dash 1R
>2/1

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>have 2 tier 1.5 modern decks
>should I go to locals?
>Nah fuck it
Why am I like this?

>>88991931
what are the decks

>>88991938
Burn and affinity.

I don’t like battles

>>88991599
The hobbit mana dork will be very relevant in legacy

>>88991944
like budget versions or fully upgraded ones? because I think even the fully upgraded ones are hard to consider higher than tier 2

>>88991975
I honestly doubt it, maybe if the initiative creatures were legendary but they aren't.

>>88991975
how? which Gx deck wants to run a worse noble hierarch that only taps specifically for legendaries?

>>88992006
>>88992005
Because it lets you cast uncounterable planeswalkers, Uro and Leovold. BUG control and midrange have been picking up steam already. I know that Karakas is around but the ability is relevant enough against blue decks to be played.

>>88991981
Point is I have 2 strong decks and elect to not play them instead sitting at home.

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>>88985407

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>>88986970
So they finally made Randy Bobandy.

>>88992069
>Because it lets you cast uncounterable planeswalkers
this doesn't really seem relevant, not because uncounterable planeswalkers are bad thing, but because the decks that are running planeswalkers either
a. aren't playing green
b. are built in a way to punish the opponent for running creature removal, like, their only creatures are stuff like uro, coatl, and the hamster token from minsc & boo, and you're giving the opponent something that unlocks their removal if they care about countering your spells
>Uro and Leovold
uro doesn't mind getting countered at all, it's the whole reason the card is so good, uro decks love when people have to waste counters on it
leovold isn't really played anywhere at the moment
>BUG control and midrange have been picking up steam already.
I would have to ask you for some evidence, looking at the most recent challenge results, I see no traces of BUG making any kind of comeback
>the ability is relevant enough against blue decks to be played.
I don't think that's true, the card doesn't slot into anything that's currently popular and it's not good enough by itself to elevate anything that would want to play it into a higher competitive level

It feels like you're treating it like a cavern of souls but it is a 1 mana dork that can't support your cantrips/removal, it's not the worst card ever printed but it's trying to do something extremely specific that doesn't really have a place in the current meta

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>>88988072
She has the inverse planeswalker problem, rather than most walkers being shit due to not having innate protection, she has nothing but protection and otherwise takes to long to do anything so she can just be avoided entirely while you are raced down. Drain 2 is not enough to keep you alive by turn 4 against any aggro deck for formats she is legal in.
>>88988317
Speaking of pd, the lowest powerlevel format she is legal, she is the weakest walker by far available for grixis control decks. Pic related is orders of magnitude stronger in general while Tezzert Schemer is much more important to Jokulhaups. 5-8x of a shittier walker is not what control needs either especially with such good cantrip density in the format.
So nah she's cool but shite.

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>chef lets me out of Burger Jail early
time for the late night FNM

>>88986970
> black
why

>>88992640
wisdom

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Is it worth running this until I can afford "actual" fetchlands?

>>88992816
This is really bad. Just proxy all cards you need

>>88992816
What format?

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it hurts that sheoldred has replaced rhino but at least some mad lads are still playing abzan midrange

>>88992842
Modern

>>88990810
Retard read the wiki. This information is readily available to you and you'd prefer to just ask to be spoonfed rather than going to find out for yourself, which would take 2 minutes.

>>88992867
>What is in the wiki are less expansive, but arent as good quality as proxyking
Try to read the cavate given and understand the implication of the question.

>TQ
pioneer, modern and legacy all on magic online
in pioneer I've been playing greasefang and lotus combo with my recently aquired copies of boseijew
in modern I've been playing gruul blast and living end
in legacy I've been playing winota initiative and ANT
I'm looking for something to get my feet back into pauper and vintage but haven't found anything solid yet

>>88992849
sheoldred is a better rhino

>>88992853
just run straight up basic lands instead, or some unholy mix of painlands fastlands or whatever

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Which format does he play?

>>88993018
Commander and Standard.

>>88993018
planechase

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>commander is the reason why chrome mox is $80

>>88993058
chrome mox is barely even good in cube, what are commandersissies doing?

dead game

>>88993095
Go be bitter in the arena general or something.

>>88992640
lmao 5c commander

>>88993018
Pauper obvs

>>88993058
I mean, it doesn't help that it's literally a 20 year old card that has only been reprinted in a meaningful way like 2 times?

>>88992921
Where do you think any of the proxykings source their cards from? Moreover, why would you go out of your way to buy from a reseller?

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Finished making my Shards of Alara set cube. I'm thinking of taking the jump and powering it up while retaining the mechanics and theme of Alara to make it a proper cube. What cards would you suggest are good fits? I definitely need to take out the Panoramas since they suck shit and put in better fixing.

>planeswalkers aren't a mistake because they've been in the game longer than they haven't
What retarded logic is this lmfao

>>88993169
Why are they a mistake to begin with?

>>88993161
https://scryfall.com/search?q=art%3Aalara+-s%3Aala+-s%3Acon+-s%3Aarb+-is%3Areprint+f%3Avintage&unique=art

>>88993180
wotc is too fucking stupid to cost them properly or they would all look like jace beleren

>>88993180
Is this a serious question

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this jace was fine tho
3 mana draw 3 over 3 turns, maybe draw more if you don't mind giving your opponent a few cards

>>88993198
I don't see any that are so little cost that they are broken, and if they are, they usually get banned.

>>88993221
should have been structures with fortify land that give the land tap abilities instead of needing fucking counters and all this shit

>>88993248
magic design used to work so that core sets would iterate on previous core sets until the correct mana cost of cards was reached, like counterspell to dissipate/dissolve. now magic design is a gay printing Ragavan and calling anyone who doesn't like it a racist

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>one of the cards in my deck is banned in modern
>group I play with don't play modern
>They tell me not to use that card because it's banned
>Explain to them the point of formats and what we are playing isn't modern, and tell them some of the cards in their decks aren't legal in modern either.
>"It's okay because they aren't banned."

>>88993361
They are right, you are a faggot.

>>88993424
Piss off. In what we are playing is classified as vintage, than it's legal.

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Ok, so they have some kind of 2 headed giant commander tournament going on tomorrow at the LGS. And I overheard people talking about how much money they dropped to upgrade their decks to win the tourney. One guy mentioned he spent 6k to upgrade and optimize his deck... all for a grand prize of $40

Are commander players alright?

>>88993679
>6k in a deck
Jesus christ....
That said, people have, and do drop similar amounts to have full competitive decks or multiples of them, its just another breed of the same disease.

>>88993221
I still run this dude in Taking Turns

>>88993704
I understand, but there are pro tours which have big prize payouts, major coverage and the winners of those big tournaments even get to have their likeness reproduced in a card of their design (like Dark Confidant and Snapcaster). Those are real tangible stakes and incentives that could justify such a major expenditure.

>>88993732
Its less about being in tourneys, as dropping the most cash just to beat your friend group the majority of the time.

>"win" a tournament not by skill but by money
Of course this is an American game lmfao

>>88993749
A recent standard tourney on mgo had a 32 dollar rdw deck go 5-0 along with the meta decks.
Money helps, but its not everything in this game.

>>88993770
>mgo
I'm talking about real magic

>>88993788
Uh. If you bought the same deck in paper, it would have performed the same.

>>88993799
Sure kid. How is le RDW supposed to win against money pile planeswalker faggotry? It doesn't because the game is fundamentally flawed

>>88993832
Do you legit have braindamage?

>>88993847
Meant for >>88993770

>>88993832
>How is le RDW supposed to win against money pile planeswalker faggotry?
By domeing them for 3 7 times.

>>88994045
>counterspell
>protection
>etc
>etc

kinda wnat to buy rogues but i dont' want to play the deck in paper

>>88994096
don't be a pussy, do it.

>>88994068
>B-B-B-BUT
Don't care take 3x7

>>88994115
>uh dude just bolt them 7 times even though bolts illegal in pio and requires 7 fucking turns

>>88994118
>>88994115

Oh look magicfag refuses to engage with reality.

>want to play RDW
>want to play some kind of UB
>also want to play some kind of alt wincon deck
man im too hooked

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>>88983510
>Pioneer
Atarka Red
>Modern
D&T, Bant Geistblade, Imperial Kiki

is moon stompy really as simple as everyone makes it out to be
i think it's fun but sometimes i wonder if people think i'm a brainlet for playing it

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>>88993832
> mountain, foundry-street denizen
>mountain, BTE, BTE, BTE, BTE, reckless bushwhacker
>opponent face when

BTE is so fucking hot I want to make a deck just for her

>>88994491
BTE has a thick, hairy futa cock

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>>88993161
>tfw no one to play alara cube with

>>88994536
Don't threaten me with a good time.

the more I look at the commander rules set the more I realize that format quite literally does not function on a fundamental level. Crazy how their rules comitee never did an overhaul of the rules when it started getting popular

>>88993361
Try explaining to them that not e erything is banned for power level reasons? SDT and yorion are banned for time and dexterity reasons, respectively. Which doesn't apply in casual settings. Also the modern banlist has some ridiculous artifacts from pre-MH like Pod and Punishing Fire.

>>88994584
It stopped making sense when there were more legendaries than the dragons
Once it stopped being EDH and became Commander it became retarded

I have a playset of Faerie Mastermind even though I don't have a deck to put them in lol.

>>88983510
I am not buying a playset of Boseijews just to play pioneer.

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Just join the poorfag deluxe.

>>88994584
I don't disagree with you but could you list some examples just for entertainment

>>88994745
he can't. he's just butthurt edh players don't spend 4k dollars on cardboard rectangles

>>88994584
Outside of the inherent "magic fucking sucks as a multiplayer game", Commander can't be fixed without first taking it outside of the """casual""" label it has. You have to run removal, you have to run sweepers and hate cards, but doing that makes you an unfun bully. There's no sideboard, and adding a sideboard will betray the founding principals of casualfagging.

>>88994584
It was supposed to be played with friends to have fun, not to be competitive

>>88994745
>100 card singleton eliminates any strategy that doesnt have fuck tons of support (narrows meta)
>singleton makes any kind of silver bullet cards worthless (allows cancer to go unchecked and narrows list of playable cards)
>singleton makes tutors insanely powerful
>4 players eliminates any kind of control or tempo (narrows meta)
>4 players also means any spell that targets is now trash (narrows list of playable cards)
>4 players means any spell needs to provide enough value that it could theoretically win a regular game where there were two additional clones of your opponent (narrows list of playable cards)
>40 life per player eliminates any kind of burn or aggro as a playstyle (narrows meta)
>40 life allows players to ignore game states in liu of just rushing for a combo (narrows meta)
>above factors combine to ensure that the only meaningful plays in any game of commander are insta win combos
>vintage tier card pool ensures anyone with the bigger wallet or shameless enough to proxy the most powerful cards will always win (eliminates amount of playable cards per deck as you would be retarded not to run the best cards for your color identity)
>color identity as a concept eliminates several card synergies based on your commander (a mono green lands deck cannot run valakut finishers as valakut has a red identity but lands dont have a color in regular games)
>color identity pigeonholes deck strategies and is in direct opposition to the entire concept of the color pie as a means to shore up deck weaknesses by splashing other colors
>at the same time color identity cannot be eliminated as a concept because commanders would then be companions with 0 downside and make the format even worse
this is just off the top of my head and not even factoring in an ineffective rules comitee, dogshit banlist, powercreep + featurecreep like having 2 commanders now, having non creatures as commanders, etc

Is Izzet Phoenix just too slow? I need time to get setup but if I don't get it I lose against aggro

>mfw hive mind+summoners pact

Battle of Wits is genuinely unusable, what the hell is the point

>>88995703
Dexterity issue

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>>88993221
Hey, Jace. Let's duel!

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>>88996017
Duel of Planeswalkers?

>>88994836
>100 card singleton eliminates any strategy that doesnt have fuck tons of support (narrows meta)
I'd argue that focused strategy is actually a bad thing in a game like this because it runs the risk of creating highly lopsided matchups and poor gameplay as a result.
>singleton makes any kind of silver bullet cards worthless (allows cancer to go unchecked and narrows list of playable cards)
If silver bullets are necessary that makes your first point moot. Nice job faggot.
>singleton makes tutors insanely powerful
This is more an observation than anything else. Like okay.
>4 players eliminates any kind of control or tempo (narrows meta)
While you're not wrong, ordinary Magic has the glaring issue of going first being a huge advantage.
>4 players means any spell needs to provide enough value that it could theoretically win a regular game where there were two additional clones of your opponent (narrows list of playable cards)
>40 life per player eliminates any kind of burn or aggro as a playstyle (narrows meta)
Again you're arguing against your own first point here.
>40 life allows players to ignore game states in liu of just rushing for a combo (narrows meta)
Your first point dude. Is focused strategy possible or not?
>color identity as a concept eliminates several card synergies based on your commander (a mono green lands deck cannot run valakut finishers as valakut has a red identity but lands dont have a color in regular games)
And? Was that a real complaint?
>color identity pigeonholes deck strategies and is in direct opposition to the entire concept of the color pie as a means to shore up deck weaknesses by splashing other colors
The colour pie is fucking dumb anyway.

We all know EDH was never meant to be taken seriously. The trouble is that ordinary Magic is a fucking shit game so people did something else with their cards. The game you seem to be praising is what made people go and play EDH in the first place.

>>88994836
Oh and before you point out that you implied strategy is still possible with enough support, this is LITERALLY EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENS IN NORMAL MAGIC. A deck is only viable when it has enough good support. Nobody plays werewolves for a reason.

>>88994836
Literally, unironically, completely serious: Get good. Almost all of your alleged complaints aren't real problems, much less evidence that commander "does not function on a fundamental level." You don't understand the format and/or the game well enough to have an informed opinion on it.

>>88995587
it can be slow, but it's also extremely adaptable, if you're dying before you have time to set up, there's a ton of single target removal and cheap deal 1/2/3 damage to all creatures spells you can bring in on games 2 and. 3

you can't expect to beat everything with a stock phoenix list, you gotta customize it to your needs

>>88991550
I see WOTC forgot that the wall of Minas Tirith is meant to be made of Osidean black Stone and is not pearly white like in the films.
also, Glamdring looks like shit.

>>88996325
>get good
>in edh
I dont think thats even possible. What the fuck is there to even git good at? Sucking off fatasses under the table so their 20/20 craw wurm doesnt swing at you for a couple turns?

>>88996229
>>88996255
Let me try to rephrase it. Singleton + 100 card decks are meant to force poeple to play more out of the box by design. You cant run 4x StP 4x FoW and so on so you have to use shittier counterparts to cover the roles those cards would fill on their own by running multiple copies. This doesnt work when you combine it with 4 players and 40 starting life. Now the shitty alternatives you could use as replacements for popular cards have a massive hurdle to clear. Creature alternatives now go from having to beat down 20 life to 120 collective life, removal has to remove enough value to make up for their being 4x as many permanents, counters have to be efficient enough that 1:1ing an opponent's play isnt a net negative for yourself because now the next guy can win unmolested from you and the guy whose spell you countered.
so what are you supposed to do?
This is the main problem, you always end up either playing midrange greedpile, where your actual deckplan is like 20 cards in a sea of pure value, hoping you can just outvalue yor way to a win. Or you just say fuck it and go turbo combo, because who the fuck cares about all of the afermentioned problems if you can 2 card combo win on the spot.
My main gripe is that other formats have multiple playstyles that offset each other. The usual rock paper scissors of combo/aggro/control with midrange in the middle. But you dont have any of that in commander. It ALWAYS comes back to midrange greedpiles vs turbo combo because nothing else can compete within the ruleset

>>88996347
Yeah, EDH is just whoever has the most expensive uninteractive deck crushing everyone else. Wait...

>>88996229
I don't care how it affects EDH deck building but the concept of color identity is cancerous, it has conditioned design decisions and ultimately in my opinion it is responsible of the continuous breaches of of the color pie.

>>88996594
The colour pie is a fucking dumb idea anyway so I don't care. That you simply cannot play the game if you draw the wrong lands is beyond stupid.
>Just run better mana fixing!
And why is good mana fixing so necessary in the first place? Because the colour pie is a fucking dumb idea. I prefer the way Netrunner (see: a later Garfield game) does it, where you have a number of points you can "buy" cards from other factions with at the deckbuilding stage. Imagine playing red in Magic and being given a budget of say 20 colour pips you can use from other colours, but also you don't need specific colours of lands to cast your spells, you can just always cast them with enough generic mana.

>check thread
>Retards still trying to argue with shitters
Once more, paupershill was right.

>>88986970
>>88987188
Even if this weren't a massive piece of headcanon, "Avatar" would still be a better typing just like they did for Gandalf and Sauron. But the best thing for Tom would have been to have no creature type at all.

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So are people actually playing battles "as intended"? As in actually attacking/burning them to get them to flip? Or is it just mostly for the front side and never actually attacking it?

>>88997116
yeah, this is what I've seen so far:
>Pioneer
Invasion of Gobakhan my opponents most important card, send 3 damage to the battle, get an enchantment that will grow my shit and protect it from a board wipe
>Modern
Invasion of Ikoria finding Death's Shadow, if it's big enough to flip the battle, attack it, otherwise ignore it until I can find another Invasion of Ikoria to get Vampire Hexmage and get Zilortha, now my Shadow has super trample
>Legacy
Invasion of Tarkir revealing Murktide and/or Sprite Dragon, deal 3~4 to something, next turn Chain Lightning it, copy Chain Lightning and flip it with a single spell, get a 4/4 that shocks stuff whenever a dragon attacks

other Invasions are still seeing experimentation play here and there, but these 3 are clearly the best ones

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>>88983510
Hi guys, I look for some advice on a standard deck I would like to make, it is based on 2 cards voldaren treelseeker and war trained slasher

The idea is to fling with the trillseeker, ideally using the war trained slasher (attacking a battle) for 12 damage. I was thinking mono red (in order to make it cheap) Do you guys have any clue on how to make a deck like this or do you know any deck based on these two cards?

Also I would like to know a website in which I could discuss decks and obtaining some help for my idea

thank you.

>>88997213
check the arena general on /vg/
>>>/vg/mtga
we don't really talk much about standard here, but they might be able to help you

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>>88997265
so WOTC is just baiting people with all these Aragorn cards arn't they?

>>88997279
I'm sure that's what they are trying to do
nothing generates interest on a product than fake indignation

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>>88997265

>>88997265
Has this worship of black people actually resulted in anything? Are blacks purchasing MtG more? Have social indicators of blacks improved?

>>88983510
>tq
Pioneer, Modern and Legacy. Same as always.

>>88983510
>TQ
Standard
I play mono white, but I am building a UW soldiers deck because I think it will be well positioned with the very likely Reckoner Bankbuster ban

>>88983617
anyone who thought the EI ban would ruin Delver was a moron
Brainstorm and Daze are still legal, so Delver will remain the best deck
UWr is interesting but I think RUG is the best because DRC fuels Tarmogoyf
the only thing that gives me hope is that 8-cast is quite good against Delver and with the Initiative nerf is the best Ancient Tomb deck again

>TQ
Legacy and (proxy) canadian highlander

>>88987169
yes, Tom Bombadil didn't even belong in Middle Earth
he is the spirit of the Oxfordshire countryside who accidentally found himself in the wrong story

>>88997459
I don't think delver is the best deck anymore, honestly. It's still powerful but losing EI really takes away a huge amount of its edge versus the fair control decks, especially the ones that play off of basics. I would probably put it at around the same level as jeskai control/blade, since I think delver is unfavored in that MU now but picks up the percentage points back in the unfair MUs.
Right now, I think the decks to beat in most people's minds are reanimator and DD.

>>88991944
Affinity is rubbish
should have made Hardened Scales which is a sleeper deck if you're good at maths

>>88997493
if Brainstorm were gone, the format would be a lot better
EI is simply not an offensive card

>>88997356
I don't believe that blackwashing known characters is a genuine way to attract black people, but rather a way to generate buzz around the product by galvanizing the already existing playerbase because the product by itself has no interesting value

>>88997501
not him, but affinity is amazing for the price you pay (~$250)
scales might be a better deck, but a fully powered version costs 3 times as much

>>88997549
you already have the budget deck in Burn
if you bought your lands over the years, it's basically a $50 deck

>>88997541
big companies don't care about racial issues, they care about MONEY

>>88997559
>you already have the budget deck in Burn
I'm not the original poster

>>88997577
then why do they insist on losing money with this shit?

>>88997580
because they are idiots that believe that they are doing the right thing
they are simply incompetent

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>>88983510
Legacy
Premodern
Proxy cedh

>>88986970
The only artwork I really like.

>>88993361
Your friends are retarded.

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>>88997587
>le corporations don't care
>THEY COMPLETELY CARE
faggot
>>88997541
>>88997356
The blacks I've seen irl unfortunately, buy into the sjw rhetoric of it not meaning anything but if you complain about it, your a evil bigot.

Related to /mtg/ fuck off you know it is janny tranny

hang on does that Aragorn card spoil lotr?

>it is another cuckboys cry about le blackies and le wokies
>Will still not rise up in arms tho
Every time.
Don't vote with your wallet, vote with your lugger.

>>88997863
beats me, I haven't bought anything Magic related since Alara

>>88997116
Holy shit is that real?

Boroschads what are you running in pioneer? I was thinking of buying missing pieces for the new convoke deck but not sure if it's worth buying into the hype.

>>88998501
goblin hammertime

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>We want to revive Standard
>That's why we gonna make this format even more expensive by prolonging the rotation and killing Challenger decks for good

>>88997265
>all colours except black
heh

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>>88998671
>all colours except black

>>88998432
Yeah, Rosewater took a lot of shit for that one and even tried to sneak away from the obvious double meaning in it.

https://twitter.com/maro254/status/465878700290891776

>>88998624
Post list, I run hammertime too but never seen gobbos

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>>88998986
nothing fancy about it, it was somewhat popular when ONE dropped

>>88999048
Looks fun, I'm gonna try it. Why open the armory instead of paladin class?

>>88999105
>Why open the armory instead of paladin class?
you can definitely run paladin class if you want to, I just had 2 back to back bad experiences where I needed to find hammer, was stuck on 2 lands and one of them was mutavault, so paladin class was uncastable, it will probably never happen again given I only run exactly 1 mutavault but I really don't want to risk it

>>88999146
Makes a lot of sense, thanks anon

How long before something in Boros Convoke gets banned after the whales had their money piles threatened?

>>88999338
bro the deck is nearly unplayable in leagues right now, there's so much hate it's insane
knight-errant and invasion of gobakhan are already plummeting in value on mtgo

this whole situation isn't much different from when gruul ramp randomly won the challenge, then people started hating on it, and it completely disappeared from the meta

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>>88999338
Someone please update me what the fuck is going on with Boros Convoke and why has the deck emerged now?

>>88997265
My brotha, my cuh, my kang.....

>>88999380
https://mtgrocks.com/terrifying-new-mtg-deck-creates-14-power-on-turn-2/

WHY THE FUKC IS FABLE CRASHING NOW AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>88997863
This post glows

>>88999380
>Someone please update me what the fuck is going on with Boros Convoke
2 players went undefeated with it in the pioneer challenge out of nowhere, it was also a great deck to farm leagues with because it either wins or lose games really fucking fast
>why has the deck emerged now?
knight-errant of eos was the missing convoke creature for it, gleeful demolition was also essential but that came out in ONE

>>88999407
>>88999439
Wait this RW shitpile I'm stomping over on Ar*na and MTGO with my Artifacts shitbrew is considered hot stuff now?

>other player attacks me with 2 creatures that were 25/26 and 27/27 respectfully.
>I had phyrexian vanquisher.
>He took the damage from one and I let the other go face. I tried to redirect the damage that the vanquisher took back to the other player to force a draw.
>He said it didn't matter because I would have already died and lost before the damage could be redirected.
>His buddy who claimed to be a judge said this was correct.
Are they right?

>>88999418
People are dumping to the market because they think it will be banned in two days

>>88999452
there's no Bushwacker on arena

>>88999418
Insiders started dumping their copies and everyone is following

>>88997265
>>88998671
honestly, my first thought was "neat, a 5 colour aragorn"

>dumping fable for a standard ban
Ishygddt

>>88997265
Did they really no get that the world is sick of this forced diversity shit from how badly rings of power was panned?"
>>88999542
Sheolord has dropped from nearly 80 to 55 on tcgplayer too.

>>88999555
>Sheol
Thank fuck, I'm tired of rakdos

>>88999555
>Did they really not get that the world is sick of this forced diversity shit from how badly rings of power was panned?"
Kaldheim
Eldraine
Nigstick Study Sentinel
Eldraine Two, WeWuzKangs Boogaloo
It hasn’t stopped for years anon. As long as corporate sees sales figures rise, they think it correlates to wokeness being profitable.