>the baron calls for the party>the baron's beloved hair is sick!>the only cure is in the Dungeon!>LVL.1 Paladin: I Lay Hands to cure the sickness...Is the DM in the wrong for saying Lay Hands is not working?
>>88983129>the baron's beloved hair is sick!>hairI don't think Lay on Hands cures male pattern baldness, guess you're going to have to go to the barberians in the dungeon. The entrance is just past the salon.
That's very unrealistic scenario. Men-at-Arms would cut paladin to ribbons for trying touch baron without permission.
>>88983129No, but you are for making this shit thread
>>88983129>the baron's beloved hair is sick!I fucking hate it when my hair gets sick. I think Lay on Hands is a bit much when you can just use Head and Shoulders.
>make a scenario specifically for a particular game>the game hands out free abilities to players that sequence break the scenarioOperator error, if you say it doesn't work you're a sore loser and not mature enough for these games.
>>88983129The GM is in the wrong for running 5e. Any other errors he may have made pale in comparison.
>>88983129If a DM is not aware of what the PCs are capable of from the very start of the game and has to resort to asspulls to make his intended plot function, yes it’s on him. It’s easy to change the ailment to something that can’t be resolved immediately by a starting character.>An imp tricked my heir out of his soul and is hiding in [DUNGEON], go kill it!>A witch cursed my heir and the local priest isn’t powerful enough to break it; go to [DUNGEON] for a holy artifact that may break the curse!>I ticked off a fae and he’ll kill my heir in a week if I don’t get a bauble for him from [DUNGEON], please get it for us!Like if you want to run a game where sickness and plagues are relevant, maybe don’t use Fantasy Superhero Simulator v5. Same with hunger, exhaustion, angry peasant mobs, or other “realistic” threats that the game trivializes.
>>88983129In this case maybe the beloved heir is being poisoned, which simply looks like a sickness. Or its a magical sickness, beyond the realms of lay on hands. Maybe the heir is secretly a construct or is undead.
>>88983129>be deity>a level 1 paladin who's done fuck all to earn your favor wants to bypass any trials by leeching off your powerNope. Go on the quest, pussy.
>>88983129Paladin can temporarily fix the thing but unless the Dungeon is done and the source of the sickness is fixed the hairs keep growing sicker and sicker.Easy as fuck.
>>88983129Paladins generally don't have LoH at level 1 and don't gain the ability to cure sickness until much later
Nigga do you want to go on adventure or notIt doesn't work and in fact you now are cursed, your lay on hand will no longer heal anyone else but yourself Go look for remove curse spell asshole
>>88983148>guess you're going to have to go to the barberians in the dungeon. The entrance is just past the salon.
Usually when the GM opens a quest with a premise like that he something more in mind than just one player resolving the situation with one spell or ability. So no one should be too upset about it when the GM says it doesn't work. That being said, it's a retarded premise and a very uninspired idea.
>>88983893Nothing wrong with a first quest being something simpleLet characters know each other and figure out what their roles are
>>88983484Paladins don't give a shit about deities or derive any power from them, anon.>>889837425e has been around for 8 years now, get with the times. OPs post gives more than enough context to determine that he's talking about that edition.
>>88983129The DM is wrong for running D&D.
This dude is sucking dick
>>88983148>I don't think Lay on Hands cures male pattern baldnessThis. If he wants a good head of hair you need to go find the magic ointment.
>>88984064I don't play shit games, sorry
>>88984120We get it you play gurps
"its a magic disease"done, easy, simple
>>88983148This is a good post
>>88984164Nothing says Lay on Hands can't cure magic disease.
>>88984217Its magic, lay on hands cant cure this disease. Im the DM i say so
>>88984217Nothing says a Magical Disease can't require a more advanced cure than simple magic, besides if we're being pedantic here like you clearly are a Magic Disease would technically fall under the nomenclature of a self-propagating curse, just one with a relatively mundane means of dealing with it.
Well now the paladin's sick, better go to that dungeon!
You're not obligated to have a PC ability work natively on anything of any importance.Even stuff like Cure Disease is so a Cleric can cure monster debuffs, not so they can begin impacting the plot about the incurable plague.That said, you should include some 'ice breakers' where they can just use an ability to convince someone to talk to them. Like you cure the village leader's stomach lining degeneration so he has the energy to actually talk to you.
>>88984233And I'm the Paladin and say Lay on Hands can cure this disease.
>>88983129Yes obviously he is in the wrong. Just like any DM who "vetoes" or removes core spells and abilities from classes because he is too stupid to create proper encounters that account for them.Stop making excuses for shit DMs.
>>88983129If it was that easy they would have just sent for a paladin. I think it would be fair to say it’s beyond a paladin’s magic. I would give it a brief nod by saying the HEIR breathes a little better after the lay on hands. However, he is still unwell and requires the macguffin to heal fully.
>>88985330please play 1 game before posting
Ignore people implying this is a DM problem, it is primarily a D&D problem and secondarily a Player problem. As a reminder, here's something that's actually been printed by WOTC for an ability description before.>When you use this maneuver, select one spell, effect, or other condition currently affecting you and with a duration of 1 or more rounds. That effect ends immediately.D&D is written in the worst way imaginable and this has always been the case. There's no 'accounting' for all the triapse bullshit that PC's can pull, Players need to understand they are pulled into the gentleman's agreement the same as the DM, otherwise they should be eating x8 Intellect Devourers for breakfast.
>>88983129Not if there's an explanation for why it doesn't work, which could be as simple as "it's a magic-resistant disease".
>>88985330>Don’t let the door smack you on the ass on the way out
>>88983129Laugh at his inferior hair genes.
>>88983129Eh, depends. Does the DM have a decent reason for lay on hands not working like it being one of those magic curse/diseases like mummy rot, lycanthropy etc. which are notoriously difficult to deal with? Or maybe it's a hereditary illness like sickle cell anemia? I'm pretty sure stuff like that takes a bit more oomph than Lay on Hands to deal with. I mean in universe there is a good chance a paladin would have some idea what his abilities would and would not work on so if this situation was handled correctly it could be a tantalizing clue as to what might be wrong or just a chance to flex your world building. If the DM just says 'no' and brushes it off or gets pissy then they are lame.
>>88983129it shouldn't work unless bon jovi is playing in the background
>>88983148You took the shitty bait
>>88983129The DM is in the wrong for running DnD
>>88983129Magical sickness. The Paladin can't do it. No magic can. Or hell, it makes it worse. Maybe you need to kill the one causing it to stop it. If you want it to do something Lay on hands could suspend it for a while. So the party would need to return every now and then to continue to heal him. Maybe lesser versions of the disease can be cured, or maybe he's just too far gone by this point and needs the magical cure while the rest of the country can be magically cured. But there will always be those that can't be cured, just suspended. Sounds like a good game to me.
>>88983129"Grats, you skipped the dungeon and you get the reward. By the way you lose out on the dungeon loot and experience."
>>88983169What do you think they're going to the dungeon for?
>>88983148>barberiansfucking kekwhat can I say, fpbp
>>88984120Bit of a non sequitor since no one mentioned Shadow of the Demon Lord, but okay.
>>88983129All it would require is that the illness come from a source that's supernatural and more powerful than the paladin. That being said, how I would have handled it as a GM is that it works, and the heir is healed, however once he recovers from his illness, he insists that you go to this dungeon to get the cure so that all those with the same illness can be cured.
>So your king needs some hair hmm-yes?>I would love to assist his stylings, hmmyes, but unfortunately all of my tinctures and ointments are in my operating room hmmyes>And my recent experiments in hairmonculi are slightly evil, yes, and have taken over my lab>brush up that mess and i'll give your patron his haircut back hmm-yes
>>88983156>generic soldiers are stronger than a warrior of a godRetardation.
>>88983129Lay on hands cures male-pattern baldness?
>>88985336Fuck off, Marv. You can't use create food/water and tenser's hut in a survival game.
>>88983129yes, because male pattern baldness is not an illness, it's a curse.
>>88991209Look out, it's a bionic ogre!
>>88993308nobility are granted their status by god and the church and as such their soldiers are doing god's will. some vigilante hedge knight isn't going to change that
>>88983893>That being said, it's a retarded premise and a very uninspired idea.Sounds like a fun idea for a lvl 1 quest. The DM is obviously taking a lighter tone for his campaign. Why is /tg/ so hostile and no fun allowed these days?
>>88984217In older, non-shit editions, it did. Like 2e the ability to cure disease used to have a caveat that it couldn't cure shit like lycanthropy, mommy rot, and similarly exotic diseases.
>>88986312I dunno. How many hit points does a paladin heal through lay on hands at level 1? Like 2? That's not all that much.And like, since when are lay on hands and cure disease the same ability? Is this some faggot 5e shit? Go back to cure disease being once a week per 5 levels.
Yes. The DM's job is to make encounters that are tailored to be fun for the players, not to powertrip. The DM should do one of the following:1: Let the paladin cure him, the party or GM use the thankful baron as a resource for later2: Instead of having the sickness be normal, have his soul partially trapped in a magical item or something where the lay on hands is temporarily effective, but isn't a long term solution since it's not realistic to expect the party paladin to stay in whatever town they are in casting that spell every day.3: Have too many cases of sickness to actually cure.If you can't think on your feet and anticipate what your players are capable of to at least some degree, you shouldn't be a DM in the first place. Also, a savvy DM can save a dungeon encounter for a later thing and just swap around items/treasure in a dungeon
>>88986526Idiot
>>88985330The best part of being Lawful Good with a high Wisdom/Charisma, is knowing you are always right. Chaotic Evil types are just mad that no-one ever believes them.
>what, lay on hands didn't work?>then we were wrong it, it's not a disease it's a curse!Cue visit to a wise man who knows how to break the curse. He says the key to breaking the curse lies in a dungeon with the exact same layout and encounters as the one the party were originally going to enter.
>>88985336Obvious bait is obvious but that is the reason why i despise any fucking game that has a phb with core options unless it has written all over the place "you may pick these UNLESS stated otherwise by the gm". Not all games should features the same themes obviously so players shouldn't access to any chargen options that isn't preselected by the gm beforehand.
>>88983129Yeah, the DM is in the wrong for allowing anyone to play D and Done.
>>88993308>A-an NPC dares get in the way of MY power fantasy?
>>88983129Which edition of D&D or D&D clone are you playing? In both 2E and 3.5 a Paladin's lay on hands can't remove disease until much higher levels. Did Hasbro rape that like it did so much else from my childhood?
No. It should be assumed if the Baron is looking for a specific remedy found in one place, it goes beyond a basic spell and if a basic spell would have worked, the baron would he fully within his means to acquire it rather than let his daughter languish. The point of these games is to role play, not to meta game.
>>88983215For reference, this is what a sore loser sounds like
>>88995230>mommy rotit's called pregnancy, and it's perfectly natural not a magical disease.
>>88983148Funny
>>88983129doesn't it heals hps only?cure disease is later iirc
>>88996711>a specific remedy found in one placeHow is this known without the remedy already being cultivated and exported? How is there still only one source in a dangerous dungeon?>if a basic spell would have worked, the baron would he fully within his means to acquire itIf the only cure is within a dungeon then the baron would send retinues of his men-at-arms rather than rely on four unwashed hung-over retards, no? >>88995229>Why is /tg/ so hostile and no fun allowed these days?You must run some incredibly dry fucking games if "cure in a dungeon for baron's heir" sounds fun. It sounds like the absolute least you can do for a premise. The premise is already truncated just for posting purposes and you think it sounds "fun" with literally no other concept beyond "cure in dungeon"? This isn't hostility, this is actual disbelief. Have some standards, anon.
>>88983129is it just me or is this cropped gay porn
>>88995225>nobility are granted their status by god and the church and as such their soldiers are doing god's willIf they aren't Paladins or Clerics, they aren't ordained by any god. They are liars and heretics and so their deaths are not only fine but righteous and good as they blaspheme the name of whatever god they claim to have power from.>>88995661PCs are the main characters, yes, if they aren't then go write a book, limpdick. If your stupid local lord shitter and his shitter NPC mooks are that strong you're doing something wrong.
>>88998865You got me. The entire point is completely undermined by that one spelling mistake. Accept my concession all over your face, neck, and chest.
>>88983148>barberiansTake your (you) and go fuck yourself.
>>88996630You can remove one disease a day in 5e. You get it at level one now. >Lay on Hands>Your blessed touch can heal wounds. You have a pool of healing power that replenishes when you take a long rest. With that pool, you can restore a total number of hit points equal to your paladin level x 5.>As an action, you can touch a creature and draw power from the pool to restore a number of hit points to that creature, up to the maximum amount remaining in your pool.>Alternatively, you can expend 5 hit points from your pool of healing to cure the target of one disease or neutralize one poison affecting it. You can cure multiple diseases and neutralize multiple poisons with a single use of Lay on Hands, expending hit points separately for each one.>This feature has no effect on undead and constructs.If every disease can be cured by a level one paladin though it really makes diseases mean nothing. I'd just rule that more dangerous diseases are outside of a paladin's ability to heal. Perhaps they were selectively bred to become immune to paladins much like the>super bacteriaof modern times.
>>88983129You'd need at least a Remove Curse on thst oof
>>88983129Paladin doesn’t get Lay on Hands until level 2 and it doesn’t cure disease until level 6
>>88983129ya think the baron's retarded enough to not have tried that already?
So I played in a one shot recently where this happened.>Town is infested with a False Hydra>only one who knows about it is a deaf little girl>Be me, lvl 7 aasimar paladin>Don't know about the false hydra>"I cast Lesser Restoration and cure her deafness">DM says no because that would have doomed the town and we would have all been eatenThing is that DM (and his wife) hate magic so don't know what spells exist and how they work. Almost ended his wife's campaign early cause she let me buy a gate scroll. Had to undo a whole session so she could actually finish her plot.
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>>89000993>PCs are the main charactersThere's no such thing as "main charecters", you're playing a game, now writing a book.
>>88983148I lost
>>88983326/threadIf 5e fags spent a single second perusing the rules of any other system 90% would immediately jump to 4e and the other 10% would still play 5e because they can’t conceive of a life outside of endless consumption of new WotC content.
>>89006576I hated False Hydras for a while, but that's before I actually read it and realized our GM forgot(or ""forgot"") that their ability stops working when they're attacking. So we just wandered around an empty town for 3 hours with no idea what we were doing because the GM was telling us fuck all(he was really fucking giddy to throw this thing at us and see what we'd do), occasionally being told "Ok, and x is missing" again with zero fucking clue why or what was going on until we got up and left because we had no idea what the hell he wanted us to be doing.
>>89000617>How is this known without the remedy already being cultivated and exported?- A never-before-seen case. A diviner told the baron what he needed to know.- An antiquated illness, unseen for generations. Court magicians spent many hours poring through tomes to learn of it.- A family curse that manifests itself in different forms. None may know the remedy until the hour of its coming.>How is there still only one source in a dangerous dungeon?- It's the only source known to the baron. Perhaps the players can discover a second source?- No one else had need for it before.- The dungeon's existence is tied to the existence of the illness.- Other sources were recently lost. The stock of remedy has run out or been actively destroyed.- It's the only source currently available. Other sources are only available for a window of time but the heir doesn't have the luxury of waiting for a new one to arrive.- The remedy has a poor shelf life.>the baron would send retinues of his men-at-arms rather than rely on four unwashed hung-over retards, no?- The baron can't afford to send retinues of men-at-arms.- The baron had to forward most of his men to the king's aid.- The baron has already sent his men-at-arms. None returned.- The men need to be patrolling settlements, borders and trade routes.- The men are recovering from a recent battle.- The baron prefers to not risk sending his own men to face the horrors within the dungeon.- The men are trained for keeping order and warfare, not dungeon exploration.- The dungeon is in another domain. Sending his men may be seen as an act of aggression or provide invaders a window of opportunity.- The baron wishes for a stealth mission, so as to not rouse the inhabitants of the dungeon.- The baron is keeping the illness a secret from his people and court.It's adequate as an introductory plot. Eventually the setting will develop naturally enough to allow players to develop their own goals.
>>89011052That does sound frustrating. Ours thankfully had it attack us pretty quick, and we took it out.
>>88983129No, you're in a bullshit magical setting but the DM better have a good reason as to why when you get the real cure.Also better spoil the party a little extra to make you forget and or pull some bullshit like >I needed the dungeon cleared out so I could get to the real treasure faggotslater on which will motivate the party to get revenge with newly introduced npcs.
