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What's the point of this? It's so lightly armed for an assault.

>>88978783
Gotta go fast.

>>88978783
Also weapon rules between MWDA and TW differ, so two light autocannons might've originally been an okay loadout.

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>>88978783
The purpose is pic related.

This is not some sort of commentary; the purpose is literally to facilitate autists in their screeching.

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>>88978783
It's got a targeting computer so you can actually hit things with the two UAC-5's and Large Lasers.
Also 4/6 AINT FREE
GOTTA SPEND 10 TONS ON JUMPJETS
THE FALCONS MUST FLY

>>88978889
Someone should make a version of this for the Charger. "5/8 isn't free..."

>>88978783
If you have to ask you wouldn't get it

Nova Catgirl pics when?

>and don't give me that gay "off topic" bullshit. This is a Nova Cat thread, posting pics of Nova Cats is by definition on topic.

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>>88979489
Sorry boss, closest I got is a picture of Nicky

>>88979609
I know that expression. DO NOT TOUCH TUMMY

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>>88979658
Wrong. Nicky is full of love and will allow all tummy touch.

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>>88978783

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So this has probably been asked a million times over the last week because of the humble book bundle, but what are some recommended novels/series? My interest drops off about mid-jihad era but I'm willing to read further ahead if it's good.
Been in the hobby for half a decade but never bothered with anything i couldn't read on Sarna.

>>88978827
Light autocannons were really fucking good in DA. It's why the Jupiter is outloaded like it is, why the original Rokuro had an LBX2, so on.

>>88979847
Start at the beginning. Production order, like Gundam.

>>88979847
>>88971338

On a tangentially related note, what the hell's happened to The Sword and The Dagger?

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>>88978510
pretty excited, I ordered a 5-pack each of 6mm LAV-25s and BMP-3s. all I need now is for my 6mm GAR clone troopers to arrive in the mail and I can start making my mercenary company's infantry hexes

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>>88979938
size comparison with a Commando in case you guys want to know how big they are against a smaller mech

>>88979934
>The Sword and The Dagger?
Never republished, never epub converted. That's why it's like $100 apiece.

>>88979913
Sounds sensible.
Got a site that shows the production order in an easy list format? going to every books individual webpage would be a chore.

>>88979938
>>88979952
as an aside, I didn't realize how much larger BMP-3s were than LAV-25s, the fact that the former are tracked and the latter are wheeled should have given me some hint but it didn't occur to me to check until the minis were side-by-side

>>88979934
Thanks, that's very helpfull

>>88979968
https://www.sarna.net/wiki/List_of_BattleTech_Print_Novels_and_Anthologies

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I'm here to remind this thread that the Jenner is for bitch ass niggas and that the Rattlesnake is the true mech of the Aryan warrior

>>88979680
Holy shit, I never thought I'd see the day. Someone on /BTG/ has proven themselves capable of being loved by something other than their own hand.

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>>88979847
See NEAs post from last thread.

>>88980078
That Jenner looks like the dildo Shimmy uses on himself.

>>88980114
Sir that is a Rattlesnake, do not misgender my mech you faggot

>>88979953
Cranston Snord has it for the asking...

>>88980114
Hey, fuck you buddy. That's not true. That Jenner isn't black.

>>88979953
It's also terrible

>>88980078
>7 medium lasers
Feeling very creative today are we?
Also
>true mech
>still uses the JR7 name

>>88980113
Somebody already linked the post further up in the thread.
Still appreciated.

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Name a better Battletech novel, /btg/

>>88980145
>7 medium lasers
>medium lasers are some of the best weapons in the game stat wise
>7 is a the number of completion
>it can also jump 7 hexes
Truly a blessed mech. The Jenner wishes it was as perfect

>>88980124
>>88980119
But we're all in agreement that Shimmy jams that foam rubber monstrosity he call LeBron in his anus over and over and over again until it is covered in blood, feces, and his shattered dreams of being a real artist and then fellates it, saying "support the company" between bouts of going ass-to-mouth by himself, right?

>>88980161
Laughs in "Heir to the Dragon"

I swear the longer it goes the more weirdly obsessed that Shimmy poster gets.

>>88980235
>88980235
pretty sure it's a bit

>>88980078
>ML spam
I see that the Aryan Warrior is a fag.

>>88980168
Yes, you got why I was calling it a kinda boring laser vomit design that would at best be a Jenner variant or a slightly faster Fire Javelin.

If a mech with an arrow iv davy crockett got hit in the ammo bin, what would happen?

>>88980246
Not really. I well and truly detest what he and others of the same "talent" have done to the designs we had for decades. I won't celebrate when the crippling depression that comes with knowing he is just a cheap hack of an "artist" causes him to neck himself, but I also won't mourn his passing.

>>88980277
Not much in real life. But this is a setting where Stackpole Rules and the Phantom BattleMech ability exist, so who knows.

Write to CGL and ask them.

>>88980291
What just email them about it?

>>88980302
That anon can ask for you when he mails himself to their hq

>>88980302
Yeah.

"Dear CGL, what happens when a Davy Crockett Arrow IV ammo bin gets hit?"

>>88980277
Ammo go boom

>>88980326
Boom as in a normal ammo explosion boom or boom as in I hope you have some iodine pills handy boom?

>>88980332
Well how much damage does the bomb do? That's how much damage your mech takes now.
Unless you want to rule it detonates as per normal nuke rules in which case not just your mech goes boom but everyone does.

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/btg/'s thoughts on the Original German-Language BattleTech Books?

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>>88980280
The designs we had for decades were absolute shit 80% of the time. Shim is nowhere near the best mecha designer but to pretend it's not at least an improvement is delusion

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>>88980358
Vintage minis generally aged like milk.

>>88980358
Don't argue with the guy who will repeat the same thing every time while unaware of half the art or minis, old and new, made for BT.

>>88980235
Don't you know,
>this is why we can't have nice things!
+
>Oh they changed it now it sucks
AND
>Oh they didn't change it, it still sucks.

These contrarian faggots are never happy with anything forever.

>>88980391
Oh I'm well away of what the art and minis from the 80s and 90s looked like. At least they didn't look like a cookie-cutter design with the exact same blocks, angles, greeblies, thick hips, fucked up windows, and box mounted lasers on every single design like some artists I know can only do.

>>88980358
You gotta admit though, the original silly jenner is top.

>>88980411
You forgot
>I love everything about BattleTech, now let's change it all

players like you and the rest of Shimmy's taintlickers deserve the troon invasion.

>>88980346
Why's that Orion got his big boy pants on

>>88980428
k

>>88980445
Just look at the rules.

>>88980196
This.

>>88980346
So does the orion have the srm4 in the torso or arm

>>88980450
Big boy mission to go on.

>>88980481
Yes

>>88980346
Funny story. See the author? That's an english author who delivered an english manuscript.

So even though we didn't get them for years after the Germans because of Roc fuckery, we got the original versions.

>>88980332
There is an extra rule to say big enough ammo explosions effect hexes around them depending on how much damage it does. By normal rules only the mech hit takes the explosion, but if you REALLY WANNA HAVE FUN...

Welp, email is sent, I'll post the response if/when I get one

Do any unironic clan wolf fans exist?

>>88980564
Too lazy to open tacops or whatever?

>>88980428
Even if you think it's too samey, at least now the universe has some level of consistency in design philosophy compared to the shit buffet we had before. Plus now there's an actual level of technical competence, regardless of whether Shims aesthetic triggers your change-based autism fits.

>>88980591
I like Clan Coyote and Ghost Bear, which I guess is just as milquetoast, depending on who you ask

honestly, Wolf's existence is an annoying kind of understandable. there had to be a baseline Ultramarines Clan so that Stackpole could write about the Clans as a whole and have one for Phelan to go native with. I wish that it wasn't necessary, but c'est la vie

>>88980591
i like them because they canonically have tons of mook garrison units so i can field shit like woodsman and orion iic

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>ancestors move from the southeastern corner of North America to settle a new world
>join the Terran Hegemony
>eventually planet is conquered by the Draconis Combine after the fall of the Star League
>now we end up learning all our old folk songs in Japanese

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxw8xg1lpp4

Such is life with the Star League gone

>>88980449
Please. Be MORE retarded. You fuck. Literally from the very beginning people have remonstrated with the terrible news of the minis and the awfulness of the casts of casts of casts of casts.

You revisionist fuck.
Only diehard tragics were EVER happy with the shit minis.

Everyone else knew they were awful and cringey.

>>88980591
Do any unironic MOC fans exist?

Of course not. The only factions with genuine fans who aren't just being ironic and contrarian are Davions, Dracs, Ghost Bears, and Taurians. Everyone else are basically just NPCs larping like they're real people.

>>88980593
I had a look through a bunch of the tacops books, BMM, and TW and didn't find a peep about it

>>88980591
The writers, clearly

>>88980302

There's a place on the official forum for questions for the devs. Odds are small you'll get an answer there, but larger than getting an answer anywhere else.

>>88980909
You apologize to the Mighty Purple Bird RIGHT NOW!

>>88980879
Second-best version of Dixie I've ever heard.

>>88980909

I was a big Lyran fan until the retardation that was the Lyran Alliance. Then during the Civil War I got on board again. And then the retardation of the Dark Age.

I feel like of all of the factions, the LyrCom probably makes the worst life choices. Though I guess that's kind of in keeping with lore?

I have half a lance currently and I don't know what else to put in it so I'd like some advice.
Currently it is a Lynx 9Q and then a Viking 2F or 2G. I was thinking maybe a Crockett too but none of it's variants are particularly impressive even if the design is cool.
>>88981006
What's the best?

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>>88980906
>Only diehard tragics were EVER happy with the shit minis.

Speaking of revisionism...

You know, I remember reading the Dragon Magazine review of the BattleTech 3rd edition boxed set. They absolutely *raved* about the minis. "They look like they're going to march out of the box and take over the house". And those were the *plastic* minis, not even the Ral Partha sculpts. You know, the plastic minis that basically can't have their mold lines cleaned up, have immense voids, where the Marauder torsos don't line up, and the Griffins gun is actually detached from its hand and points upwards on the torso.

In the context of 1985-1998, BattleTech minis were never worse than "industry standard". If there were issues, it was because of the underlying artwork, but the minis were absolutely never considered to be "shit".

It wasn't until GW infantry plastics started getting good (not even the Catachans), and American audiences got mass-acquainted with Gundam (thanks to Toonami playing Gundam Wing around 2001 or so) that I ever even started hearing serious criticism about BattleTech minis. People were FINE with the Ral Partha sculpts for almost 20 years; we were just thrilled to HAVE minis, and for you to claim that "only diehard tragics were EVER happy with the shit minis" is zoomer-tier contrarian revisionism at its purest form. Honestly, I'm not even mad. I'm just disappointed in you. You know you're hopelessly exaggerating, and you're going to prove to be totally incapable of admitting your hyperbole in the posts to come.

>>88980449
You are obsessive to the point of being mentally unwell. You need to step away from both the internet and battletech and try to regain a normal perspective.

>>88981022
I don't care how big of retards the lyrans are, they have the coolest mechs and they will always be #1 in my book

This is your average Draconis Combine mechwarrior, and she cums everytime the foot of her DRG-1N crushes an innocent civilian.

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>>88980931
Sarna is a helpful reference for its bibliography if nothing else. Search for Arrow IV and under Alternative Ammunition Types it links to Davy Crockett. That takes you to the page on Standard Nuclear Weapons, with a paragraph on the Davy Crockett. That has a bibliography reference to Jihad Hotspots: 3070, where nuke rules were originally published.
Or you can just look in Interstellar Operations, which is where all the rules for unusual stuff was collected and updated.

>>88981024
>What's the best?

You're not going to like it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhSzuhdIkuE

I'm not just saying this to be edgy and provocative, I like the jauntiness and how it's most of the way to being a military march.

But also fuck the Confederacy.

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>Get KS survey
>3 hardback book sets are $10 cheaper than individual books but weren't available in the original add-ons and you can't take it back.

Well, that's $30 down the fucking drain that could have been a force pack.

>Got tricked into a another $220 to get all the merc challenge coins just so I can throw them in a another shitty box on the wall like the last set.
>Have now spent 1K on this KS
Why am I such a whale?

>>88981078
>Why am I such a whale?
Your parents never told you that they were proud of you, so now you rely on materialism for your fulfillment.

>>88981093
But they've always told me they were proud of me.

I think it's that Battletech is the last franchise from my childhood that I haven't abandoned.

>>88981054
Well ain't that a disappointment. Thanks anyway, never thought intops of all places was where this would be

>>88981025
Fuck off you tragic boomer fuck. Your too old to post here.

If you ever liked any Battletech mini up until Shimmy fixed everything, you were never a real fan and your sense of taste is shit. Battletech casts were never good.

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>>88980078
I will not tolerate Jenner slander on this good Christian board!

>>88981093
NTA but don't call me out like that

>>88981093
>so now you rely on materialism for your fulfillment.
I can't even afford that.

>>88981132
We see right through your disguise Shimmy.

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>>88981072

>spoiler

The greatest irony of Lost Causers is that the Confederate government officials and citizens outright hated the Confederacy itself by the wars end, and the Confederate population had long begun resenting the government for being structured around planter class at their personal expense, and the planters hated that the war ate into their profits. Outside of Forrest & Friends (and even then not so much) there really wasn't much love for the CSA until the early 20th century when most people had forgotten how much it suuuuucked being under them.

Also pic related is my favorite mech because mine killed a Madcat once and for that he deserves all the praise he gets.

>>88980121
Yep, got a copy in the trove if your interested in it.

>>88980161
Actually Embers of War is a solid novel.

>>88981187
That's a funny-looking Summoner.

>>88981187
1. Thunderbolt is best bolt.
2. As someone with family from Texas so long ago it was fucking New Spain, we hated the Confederacy for sending everyone to die in bumfuck Virginia for a bunch of faggot East Texas cotton farmers. They even ran Sam Austin out on a rail.

But then we had Sherman and Sheridan running the war in the West with the Buffalo Soldiers and "Let no mere charges of inhumanity tie their hands." Very grateful as a Texan not getting scalped as a family that has a literal monument that says "Murdered by Indians." But pretending one war was good and the tactics of the other is bad is the greatest hypocrisy. You don't get to feel sorry for the natives if you cheered the march to the sea.

>>88981223
Not as good. Quality proto-Jihad novel though.

For anyone that has bought Humble Bundle book deals before, is it normal for them to be so badly organized when you get them?

>>88981187
The Confederacy was a last ditch effort to make the inner circle of a conspiracy called the Knights of the Golden Circle very, very rich by establishing completely unrestricted slave enterprises that could maximize profit. Their original plan was to try and get the US to invade and conquer everything through the Caribbean and entire Gulf of Mexico (the "golden circle") to bring back the old colonial systems with little oversight. When that failed, they tried to break out as the confederacy and would have eventually tried to expand it South. They had also attempted to get control of Mexico and South American countries to bring back slavery. But yes, lost cause was literally invented decades after the fact. A ton of the confederate statues that got taken down a while ago weren't even a century old. There were a couple that had been raised very shortly after the war for reconcilliation purposes between veterans, but a ton were put up in the 1920s, 30s, or even 50s or 60s for political brownie points among anti-civil rights groups with no real ties to the confederacy other than geography.

>>88981250
TBolt is best bolt indeed.

And like every war, it was started so that the rich old men could keep their money, the poor young men got to fight and die for it, and they were convinced with propaganda that it was right and fighting to do so. Neither Billy Yank nor Johnny Reb really had a dog in that fight, the Northern states demanded the Southern states be kept in the Union so their access to raw good and their market for manufactured good be kept, and the slavery question really only mattered to the handful of people who actually owned them.

The South was right to say they had the right to leave the Union, but they picked the wrong hill to die on. But they lost before shot one was fired simply because they couldn't supply their armies and the Northern one could. Like the old saying goes "amateurs study tactics, professional study logistics."

>>88981025
Chocolate chip camo looking sexy as always. What's your recipe for it? And where did those pinup decals come from?

>>88981367
>The South was right to say they had the right to leave the Union, but they picked the wrong hill to die on.
You can really tell the reason by looking at their consitution. It's nearly identical to the union's, including the exact same laws around states being allowed to leave the country (IE, they can't), with the major changes almost all being about slavery alone. Confederate states weren't allowed to make any laws that could inhibit slavery in any way. All confederate states that existed or would ever exist must allow slavery in its most complete form. None of them got any extra rights. Seceding from the confederacy would result in the exact same situation that seceding from the union did.

>>88981420
Makes it all the funnier that at the end of the war, all the confederate states got removed from the union and then readmitted as the military districts. Still a very interesting conflict that I wash there was more modern stuff about

>>88981348
Considering the fucking French took Mexico during the Civil War, it wasn't a bad plan.

>>88981025
SUUUREEEEE. Just liek they raved for every fucking mini from everyone.

Because they exist to get you to buy things you fucking loser.
I'm talking about the actual people, not the stupid fucking shills who professionally LIE their asses off for a living.

>>88981046
Dcms hate women though. Ghost regiments would have her though.

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New mech, what do you think?

>>88981187
Just fucking stop.
Razor has already comprehensively shat upon you leftoid revisionist schmucks.

>>88981367
>the Northern states demanded the Southern states be kept in the Union
The Confederacy literally attacked first? Hell the 'raw goods' the Confederacy provided was zilch by the middle of the war. The Confederacy fought for one thing, and one thing alone. To expand slavery, no matter what. It was never about leaving the union, or markets, or anything else except trying to force slavery on everyone else.
>>88981550
The DCMS hates everyone. Including each other, just as their forefathers did in the second world war.

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>>88981025
>IWM minis

>>88981564
Boring energy boat/10

Go put some ammo on it.

>>88981571
>The Confederacy literally attacked first?
I wouldn't consider a Carolina island "Union Territory" after the succession, nor would most people. It was a good enough excuse for Lincoln to get the party started though.

>>88981571
>The Confederacy literally attacked first
Au contraire mon ami, people even at the time saw that Lincoln had used the situation to start the war without being the aggressor. So you are technically right, but I wanted to use that french phrase.
Basically the union had for the most part been abandoning military bases in the south, but in sumter they didn't. He even sent over a warship with orders not to fire all to goad the confederacy into attacking. And considering that "honest" Abe was a railroad lawyer before politics, it's not surprising.
Anyway are there any decent post helm stalkers or grasshoppers? Those two seem to get a bit shafted as most of their later variants kind of stink

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>>88981564
that's nice bateman, but that's nothing.

>>88979938
>>88979952
Nice, are those GHQ sculpts?

>>88981571
Even before one shot had been fired the Northern states were demanding Lincoln do something to bring them back into the fold. Go back and read some of the Northern newspapers and even before the Inauguration they were wanting armies raised and the South burned to the ground.

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>>88981025
>You know, the plastic minis that basically can't have their mold lines cleaned up, have immense voids, where the Marauder torsos don't line up, and the Griffins gun is actually detached from its hand and points upwards on the torso.
Soul

>>88981689
Clan Assaults at 3/5 are a pathway to many abilities some would consider...unnatural.

>>88981585
At least it overheats I guess?

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Fellow FDM wagies, I have created a solution for tracking movement modifiers that's easier and quicker to print than the dice stls I found online. figured I'd share for any other resin-challenged individuals in the thread.

https://files.catbox.moe/k7uzeo.step

>>88981601

The thing I've realized the more I've read history is that most wars happen when both sides want a war to happen. The Civil War was really no different. Post Harper's Ferry at least there was going to be a war, it was just a question of when and how.

>>88981706
>read northern propaganda
>thanks it means anything
The Union was the clear aggressor, and the South was absolutely justified in defending their homes. Anything else is historical revision.

>>88981782
Wasn't it Goering who said something like of course normal people don't want war so it's up to the leaders to whip them up into a frenzy? Otherwise there would never be war.

>>88981777
Can i have it in stl format so i can use it on my resin printer instead?

>>88981782
>Post Harper's Ferry at least there was going to be a war
Could've had paid emancipation like Europe did a decade earlier

>>88981825
Neither side has clean hands. Both sides wanted a war, in large part because being brave on a battlefield was seen as the mark of manhood in the Victorian Age. Go back and read the Southern newspapers. They were demanding they blow Sumter off the face of the map. Both sides thought it would be one or two short battles and that would be that.

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>>88981585
I also made a missile variant

>>88981825
>fire first shots
>attack union property
>but the south wasn't the aggressors because.... well just because they aren't

>>88981843
I think you can just convert it pretty quickly on tinkercad if you feel so inclined

>>88981861
Holy shit. I bet you think Russia is aggressing today. Firing first doesn't make you the aggressor, you can do it in self defense.

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consider

>>88981881
>I bet you think Russia is aggressing today. Firing first doesn't make you the aggressor, you can do it in self defense.
Explain to me what threat Ukraine posed in any way that necessitated a preemptive defensive assault.

>>88981700
yes they are, they've got some cool historical stuff

>>88981905
Nazism

>>88981845

Maybe before; after Harper's Ferry the South believed that the abolitionists' aim was not an end to slavery but a violent revolution. Emancipation would have been seen as a prelude to more northerners coming down and trying to organize further violence. On the flip side, the Antebellum south was wealthier than the North, the bill for paid emancipation would have been a hard sell in the north at best.

>>88981905
They existed on our border and weren't under our control. That makes them an existential threat to Russian security.

>>88981881
>I bet you think Russia is aggressing today.
I mean, they could just leave Ukraine at any time and the war would stop.

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>>88981572
Shut the fuck up faggot, 99% of the plastic is shallow detailed mold lined horseshit that all looks vaguely the same with every mech sharing some of the same boring ass details, plus you're a weeb kys immediately with your off topic trash.

can you fucking midwits go back to r*ddit with your retard ass historical takes and can we get back to talking about Battletech and listening to people obsess about Shimmy

>>88981923
>On the flip side, the Antebellum south was wealthier than the North, the bill for paid emancipation would have been a hard sell in the north at best.

Paid emancipation is always a hard sell. The only place it happened on anywhere near the scale of the US was in Brazil, but there it happened after a bad drought in sugar country completely tanked the price of slaves.

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>>88981947
Battletech fans are usually just weebs in denial.

>>88981947
>calling a BT fan a weeb
>not knowing
loling at you rn retard

>>88981905

NATO spent 8 years building up the second largest army in Europe there and they had been talking about retaking Crimea and the Donbass. You can argue that the secession of those regions was illegal and that Ukraine had a right to reclaim them by force. At which point Russians will point to Syria and Yugoslavia and say "You set the precedent". And also mention that Crimea had been Russian longer than California had been American. (1783 for Crimea vs 1850 for California even with the 60 years Crimea was Ukrainian it's still longer).

And to be fair, the Russians didn't wish Chechnya all the best with a fruit basket when they decided to leave. They got Putin the sobriquet "Butcher of Grozny".

Basically trying to figure out who the "good guys" are is usually silly. Both sides wanted this war. The US thought they could bleed Russia ahead of their showdown with China, Russia thought they could shock and awe Ukraine. Now the US is stuck pouring money down a rathole and Russia has fallen back on trench warfare and "you get a massed artillery barrage, and you get a massed artillery barrage, massed artillery barrages all around!".

>>88981969
The way it's playing out is about as close to fresh Battletech canon as we've gotten in a hot minute.
All those years of watching Drac Combine stupidity in my future space giant robot game was great preparation for watching the Russians in Current Year.

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>>88978510
BOLOLO! (Not my bolo)

>>88981988
Wayching dougram or gunfag doesn't make you a weeb, try better not harder.

>>88981899
Just use a Hyper Laser. I want an Improved Hyper Laser. Come on the FWL is making new Ares'. Let them make an improved Hyper Laser.

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Pretty much any 'mech will fair well in 40K.

>>88981858
And another variant that drops the LPL for a regular LL and it has 2 LRM10s and 4 ARTIVs instead

>>88982087
Watching any cartoons at all with big robots in them makes you a fucking weeb, weeb. Get out. This is a thread for western Mecha, not japshit that has nothing to do with Battletech.

>>88979847
>giving money to humble faggots for pdfs
the fuck is wrong with you?

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What's the best of the big three?

>>88982176
Wolverine 6M always has been and always will be the best medium Mech. BTG decided that years ago.

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>>88980268

>>88982157
Take your mental gymnastics to another board, no one wants dipshits equal to BBC/log spamming poltards

>>88982170
Eh it seemed fitting. I paid for it with commission money from furfags.
Fag money for humble fags.

>>88982176
It might not be the best stat-wise, but by god the Griffin just has so much charm to me.

>>88981943
The war between Ukraine and Donetsk/Luhansk had been going on for 8 years before Russia got involved to stop Ukraine from murdering "their own people."

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>>88982176
if I'm trying to put together an actual competitive list I usually find a reason to slot in a Wolverine 7K

>>88981567
>Razor
literally who

>>88982067
A regional power is experiencing internal unrest and attacks a neighbor in what's expected to be a short, victorious war in order to distract their people, only to experience more resistance than expected.

What? I'm talking about the Bears!

>>88982073
what the fuck is a bolo

>>88982298
What's wrong stats-wise, compared to the other two?

Interesting alt question: Griffin vs Kuritahawk?

>>88982349
Don't worry about the war. It'll be short and bloodless. We'll be home before the leaves fall.

What? I'm talking about making the Periphery join the Star League!

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>>88982105
more or less, especially because BT is one of the few popular SF settings where defensive material sciences are currently in the lead against offensive material sciences. BT armor is basically magic, whereas 40k is still dealing with "armor usually either works or doesn't," that other SF settings with BAR <10 armor have to endure

and if you go off relative size a typical Imperial Knight is armed with basically a UAC/10+MG and vibroblade, with SRM, MRM, or RAC/2 system to taste on the top carapace

>>88982176
they all have really strong variants, but if we're talking about the default versions then the Wolverine probably has the best set-up. the Griffin is too vulnerable in CQB and the Shad, while the toughest, doesn't have the punching power to hang

>>88981024
Viking sucks. Get a longbow instead

>>88982299
>The war between Ukraine and Donetsk/Luhansk
You cannot be this disingenuous. But it doesn't even matter, because I am the NATO citizen your state propaganda warned you about. I cheered the fall of USSR and I am cheering the fall of the Russian Federation, and I look forward to the day NATO and China partitions your miserable country to acquire its natural resources as Russia collapses following the assassination of Putin.

>>88982362
Oh there's nothing wrong per se, it's a solid mech.
My general impression is just that in terms of optimization, the wolverine is generally better. Shadow hawk struggles a little until it gets some upgrades down the line.

Which one is the Kuritahawk again?

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>>88982362
it's the most specialized of the three. the Wolverine is considered a skirmishing brawler, but the AC/5 still lets it hang at range and the Shad is a big longer range but only one of its weapons have minimum range penalties so it can vibe in close if you force it, but the default Griffin only has two weapons and they're both dedicated long-range with minimum ranges, so a Griffin that gets pushed is a lot more likely to feel bullied than its siblings. it hits harder than the other two by a decent margin, but you need to use it more carefully and don't really have space to mess up your positioning

the WVR is a very respectable skirmisher that can close in to finish fights off, and the SHD is basically the perfect training mech, but the GRF is a specialist's tool

>>88982383
Viking has moar missiles.

>>88982394
>Which one is the Kuritahawk again?

>Originally a First Succession War field refit developed by the Draconis Combine in 2803 as the enraged Federated Suns pushed the Kurita troops back, the 2K Shadow Hawk dramatically overhauls the chassis by replacing all original armaments, save the LRM-5, with a Donal PPC in place of the AC/5 and five extra single heat sinks. Though initially introduced to compensate for a lack of autocannon parts and ammunition, the improvement in long range firepower ensured refits continued, with the 2K becoming one of the deadliest units of the Succession Wars[14] despite many Lyran opponents' opinion of it as a "Griffin knockoff."[1][9][23] BV (1.0) = 1,018; BV (2.0) = 1,147[23][24]

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>>88982369
BT armor also often just doesn't work

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>>88982362
Standard has the main issue of both it's main weapons being long range. Although the Lyrans solved this problem long ago.

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>>88980161
Couldn't tell you if that one was good or not, but I remember there were plenty of great novels.

>>88982353
Get out, literaturelet

>>88982441
Yeah i'm with the Lyrans on that one, it doesnt sound very good.
I'd definitely take a stock griffin over it.

>>88982362
>SHD-2K
>4.5 Million C-Bills
>152 armor with PPC, LRM-5, 5/8/3
>17 heatsinks, maximum heat is 15 per turn
>24 shots for the LRM-5
>GFN-1N
>4,9 Million C-Bills
>152 armor with PPC, LRM-10, 5/8/5
>12 heatsinks, maximum heat is 19 per turn
>24 shots for the LRM-10
It's the strangest situation where they both do the same thing differently and don't cost that much different. One is oversinked, one is undersinked. Both have the same ammo for their LRM's, both can shoot and move the PPC without overheating.
The 2K would benefit from dropping a heatsink or two for either an LRM-10 or more jumpjets.
The 1N would benefit from dropping a ton of ammo for a heatsink.

>>88982457
TACs are funny, but imagine having the stress of making that crit confirmation roll every time someone smacks you with any big gun after your ion shields fail

>>88982483
help a nigga out

>>88979938
link to 6mm GAR troops??

>>88982528
>https://www. etsy .com/listing/1225432041/gmo-troopers-for-tabletop-wargaming-epic?click_key=388223c7b9b7d6b666dff18670b2279a34a7d5a9%3A1225432041&click_sum=27df9e35&ref=shop_home_recs_1&sts=1
they have a pretty great range of stuff on that account, including a lot of 6mm 40k stuff like Elysians

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>>88982478
in case you are wondering, the cover features the personal battlemech of Aris Sung. A Wraith painted Gunmetal Blue.

The miniature can be found in the Alpha Strike box set.

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>>88981024
I've come up with this, it comes to 6100 and I was only planning on it being 6k, so what could I do to shave off some bv?

>>88982586
It always bugs me(heh) that the mech which looks most like an insect is not named after one

>>88982600
They should have called it the Roach.

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>>88982590
what era you doing? I'd switch the Viking to a 3W

>>88982590
NTA, but what do the pilots looks like? are any of them upgraded?

whos got the best Thunder mini?

>>88982176
wolverine

>>88982644
I'm trying to keep it in the 3050's, maybe the 60's if there's a variant I particularly like
>>88982652
All 4/5, I have no idea why this lance of all things is getting so bogged down, I am trying to use units I like that don't get used or discussed often but all of them end up being on the more expensive side.

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I wonder what clan could be behind this

>>88982780
2 mediums, a heavy and an assault.
Sounds pretty reasonable that you're running into the 6k wall.
But in particular the lynx is on the expensive side.
I'd take a smaller missile boat and/or switch the lynx and then upgrade some pilots.

I thought the Rifleman IIC had a targeting computer to go along with its 4 LPLs but looking at it again it apparently doesn't which makes me feel better about taking one since i like the way it looks.

However I swear there's a Clan mech that has four LPLs and a targeting computer anyone know what I'm talking about?

>>88982865
One of the Masakari I think. C maybe?

>>88982896
No the C has two ERPPCs and two LPLs while the H has two HLLs and two LPLs. I love how broken this mech is

I'm going through Sarna trying to find because not remembering is annoying me

>>88982731
Iron Wind Metals. Support the company.

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>>88982731
Judo Varnas

Where did the jagermech II and enforcer II go?

>>88982924
Hell.

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>>88982524

>>88982920
No thank you Shalommy

>>88982921
What is that mech with the red corn cob head?

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>>88982353
Made mine using the "Kaiser tribe mining strider" on cults 3d

>>88982950
Jinggau

>>88982813
How do we deal with the wolf problem?

>>88982983
By splitting the timeline at 3049 so the Clans never showed up.

>>88982983
Spaying and neutering.

>>88982859
The lynx is the one unit I wanted to keep and of course the mechs I try and replace the axman with just end up being more expensive like the caeser. Why must I be cursed to have all the mechs I like be very expensive

>>88982983
Glass terra

>>88982644
How you make the water effect? Looks cool

>>88983025
I know you said you wanted mech that doesnt get talked about much, but you could switch the axman for a nightsky. That has to open up your budget i assume, though i'm on my phone so i can't check megamek.

Also, lighter missile boat option is still open.

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>>88982983
retcon the clans.

>>88982998
>still whining after thirty goddamn years

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>>88983046
mostly fucking around. I originally was gonna do a lava base with those rocks. Essentially I sculpted the rocks then primered and dry brushed them. The flat areas got multiple blues and were allowed to dry.

I then applied vallejo water texture, allowed to dry and painted white for areas where the water was being disturbed

>>88980114
Who the FUCK is shimmy?

>>88980346
Cyborg gorilla rape.

>>88983068
bad writing doesn't age into better writing.

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Why didnt sun tzu liao marry isis marik? Shes freaking HOT and she loved him

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>>88983074

>>88981487
The French failed to take Mexico, even though they were formally allied with the Mexican conservatives.

Mostly so because their candidate, Maximilian, turned out to be liberal on way too many political issues while also maintaining stict policing standards, alienating both the right and the left.

>>88982983
Keep them from splitting apart. They might have been writers' pets when they were still Wardens, but at least they weren't retarded to the favor sometimes made sense.

>>88983100
>She really wasn't that hot.
>Sun Tzu isnt a race traitor
>There are other aspects to a relationship than sexual attraction
Shocking i know.
Nice fapbait pic though.

>>88983082
Shimmering Sword, an artist that CGL's recently started hiring. People like to blame him for everything wrong with recent art.

https://www.deviantart.com/shimmering-sword

>>88983133
>isnt a race traitor
>married a mulatto

>>88983100
I think that Sun Tzu didn't want to enter any alliance where the Cappies weren't dominant. The CapCon and FWL are roughly equal, and to be honest the FWL is richer and stronger, even with XIN SHENG!

There's also a lot of bad blood between the Cappies and Andurien.

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>>88983134
I mean he has been responsible for making art in which the mechs look like plastic toys for about a decade now.

>>88983166
Ten years is "recently" in BattleTech grog terms.

>>88983133
Naomi is white dude

>>88983166

Also, the next good-looking Stalker I see will be the first.

>>88983133
>isnt a race traitor
Does naomi centrella sound chinese?

A big ass self sufficient sci-fi tank. All but the earliest are AI controlled. Some of the later ones are capable of assaulting and conquering lightly guarded planets entirely unsupported. Read a book.

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>>88983133
>There are other aspects to a relationship than sexual attraction

No

>>88983191
Meant to reply to >>88982524

>>88983068
Forever until the Clans are retconned away and their fans are forced out of the fan base.

>>88983150
Why he engage to her for 8 years then? And waste her prime breeding time

>>88983214
>waste her prime breeding time
To troll the FWL. Why else do anything?

Capellans remain forever based.

>>88983214
He wanted to manipulate the FWL to keep them from helping the FedCom too much, and Thomas allowed himself to be played like a fiddle.

Or maybe one of the writers changed his mind and decided that Sun Tzu needed a kinky Canopus wife to peg him.

Who knows?

>>88983184
MWO's stalker looks good and it is indeed the only that does.

>>88983230
>Sun Tzu needed a kinky Canopus wife to peg him.
A Capellan being a submissive fag DOES seem pretty on-brand for them, now that you mention it.

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>>88983232

It's okay I guess.

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>>88983245
It's a masterpiece as far as stalker depictions go.

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>>88983250
I love that they kept that horribly off-balance pose for the mini.

>>88983133
>centrella
>asian

>>88983214
To dab on the FWL for luls

>>88983100

I know that they never married, but Isis was engaged to Sun Tzu for quite a while.

Does that mean the VSD cucked Sunnie?

>>88983271
>>88983230
>>88983224
In the books it says thomas is the one that delays the wedding, not the liaos

>>88983277
It feels more like victor got sloppy seconds

Suntzu literally left her to die

>>88983261
the michael jackson pose is endearing to me

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Why does he look like a twink bros....

>>88983329
He was the lust object of at least 3 out of the 4 princesses in the Inner Sphere, and possibly the 4th as well.

>>88983133
>isnt a race traitor
KEK nice one

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>>88983343
>He was the lust object of at least 3 out of the 4 princesses in the Inner Sphere
Which was the 4th?

>>88983261
Maybe it has a big weight in the nose.

>>88983343
Is that how i need to look to get a gf...

>>88983282
In that case it makes sense; who the fuck would actually want their daughter to marry Sun Tzu?

>>88983346
Kali

>>88983351
I mean, not looking like yourself would help.

But as a general rule, women say they want muscles but actually go for the lithe femboy types. Hell, NEAs like the only person here confirmed married, and he's so girly that he gets paid to crossdress. So not being you couldn't hurt, anon.

>>88983351
Only if you want princesses.

>>88983351
Yes

>>88982957
Never too much DAKKA!

>>88983329
I dress like this and i get zero ass

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>>88983398
Fucking app didn't include the attachment

>>88983350
>jewish nose energy

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Is this McCarrons Armored Cavalry?

>>88983403
Trying being heir to the largest state in human history, as well as a decorated war hero.

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Someone in the last thread (or the one before?) posted about Drac gf (white), and while looking through Destiny, I found this example and needed to post it.

What are we working on boys? I just did the first step for a couple more Marik Militia mechs and a vehicle lance, and started working on a Colonial Marshal Perseus (mostly because I've already got a MM Orion and that's close enough to a Perseus for me).

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>>88983440
>that feel no drac gf (white) who wears asian styled makeup and hairstyles

Bros my weak heart cant handle this much

>>88983445
I'm going to be finishing up a mech scale Aurora dropship for a friend soon and starting on the Hextech terrain for a full 3d Grasslands B mat

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>>88983451
Dont do it bro

>>88983451
Weebs have bpd

>>88983419
Basically. The Big MAC is like when you have a problem that needs fixing and your only tools are sledgehammers. They'll get the job done, but it's not going to be subtle.

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>there are no mechs for black people
>the racist ass inner sphere killed off the only black faction

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>>88983626
>no mechs for black peopl-

>>88983626
I know you're shitposting but the Lyrans actually have a sizable minority of blacks and the noble family who owns Hespherus is black.

>>88983451
Go to any japan town and say For the coordinator!

>>88983643
Thug Shaker Central

>>88983626
I got a new forgis in the thug

Why does no one use the Enforcer or Panther in mwo?

>>88983626
I hate the "smoke jaguars are the black faction" meme.

Smoke Jaguars had a couple black leaders (all from the same family). They're about as black as the Draconis Combine or Hesperus.

>>88983780
Thanks for reminding me to get an Enforcer.

>>88983780
probably has to do with how low all their weapons are mounted relative to the cockpit, they don't really have any exceptional abilities that make up for that.

>>88983922
Any BattleTech game where the physical height of the weapons is important is retarded.

>>88983291
It was the plot of the Cappelan Books by Coleman, like Binding Force above. I can't for the life of me remember what his goal was.

>>88983952
Not really, it makes little sense to care about it on tabletop, but in the MW games the different geometry adds to the different feel for mechs and means cover becomes something you have to manage.
Besides it is an in-universe thing too considering the logic behind the Marauder's AC5 being about going hull down for example.

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>>88983952
real time combat in a remotely realistic environment will not cater to the delusions that a massively abstracted tabletop game has given you.

>>88984020
In universe pilots would be able to raise and lower their mechs arms unlike in MWO

>>88984098
Not all of them really allow for that, but it would be a neat mechanic for one of these games too. Just control it like you might the flaps in a flight game either in stages or freely.

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If you mean the minis, there's two different variants to choose from. Urban Lance or Hansen Roughrider's Battle Lance.

>>88984126
I meant the MWO one, but if I get the chance I might pick up the lance with the Enforcer too eventually, though frankly I got too many minis already.

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>>88984098
Some mechs have arms that can do that, that won't work for weapons mounted outside of arms.

>>88984156
I love that slow piece of shit, you're so late to the party that cleaning up shit with your LB10Xs can net you so many kills.
That said the only mech where I've ever really had hardpoint problems where I consistently shot lasers into the hill is just the Black Knight, it's workable, but it's all very low down. The price for looking sick as fuck I suppose.

>>88984172
A 300 rating engine puts it just within the realm of "acceptable speed", just fast enough to not be left behind as the team inevitably runs in a circle at top speed for no reason.

>>88984156
I think the worst issue is that MWO and to a lesser extent, MW5, have an issue with convergence. It's part of the reason why on tabletop the Nightstar is a monster meanwhile in MWO and 5 the Nightstar is pretty mediocre. In MWO and 5 the twin Gauss rifles are so far away from the center and they converge weirdly so your damage can be spread out when you want to hit all shots, meanwhile having weapons in the torso's mean they hit together at nearly the same point.
It's such an interesting point to discuss, many mech's have design quirks that dictate the way they're used or play. The Annihilator's huge body and head make it such a juicy target and in MW5 I can reliably headshot them from a kilometer away with ease, yet at the same time the MWO quirks for it make it one hell of a AC death machine. Hell just take the MAD-3R for example, it's model is squished down for a heavy mech and its energy arms and ballistic torso make for a versatile machine but the PPC heat -5% and Velocity +30% direct how its different from the MAD-4L which has a Gauss cooldown quirk instead. Though MW5 loses this quirk based system.
It's something the tabletop lacks as the discussion with the Shadow Hawk 2K and Griffin 1N showed earlier.

>>88984207
The issue is not even as bad as it should be, all weapons in mechwarrior magically gimbal to the point you're aiming at, even if they physically should not be capable of doing so.

>>88984201
Perhaps, but are you really getting the true Annihilator experience if you're moving faster than the standard Urbie? Shitposting aside, I think mine probably still has the standard engine in it just because I kept all of the guns, or maybe I changed it to a Light or XL, I forget. I just know I have fun with it.

>>88984207
>convergence
This is my WW2 sim autism speaking, but it would be cool to get a setting where you can dial in your weapon convergence distance. And probably add some single weapon pippers with it to aim them separately too. Just as something besides the attempt at auto-convergence.
>MWO quirks
Honestly I kinda wish the quirks had made it over to MW5 too, outside of mods anyway. They give you some more differences between the mechs and give them some neat features like the stupidly fast firing ACs on the Centurion.
But then a lot of minor things from MWO got lost on 5 somehow, it's weird.
>Tabletop
It does have quirks too, just not as specific because nobody wants to track percentages for single weapons. But you could easily give one weapon one of the quirks that makes it more precise or the like.
But as we all know the construction rules are both fairly expansive but also fairly limited, so a lot of the differentiation also comes from the fluff and the art or how you present a mech rather than the "handling".

>>88984239
Right, forgot, this is also a thing, where the arm weapons should probably retain their auto-convergence, or any weapons that are supposedly gimballed, but the torso or other fixed ones should probably only receive very minor adjustments and otherwise fire straight.
At the end of the day though this is mostly a source of looking very silly when you fire at something up close and your PPC shot comes out at a 45° angle.

>>88979680
Please pet Nicky's soft head for me plz

Is there a way to fix the economy for independent Merc companies? I've tried to run them a few times, but it completely snowballed every time.

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>>88978510
Subhuman ingrates get the rope. Cultureless louts.

>>88980184
He'd never name it LeBron, that name's for a team quitter.

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>>88984451
snowballed as in you get too powerful too quickly?

a good way is to reduce salvage you get from fights, or reduce contract payments. you can also increase costs of business such as repair costs, jumpship costs, ammo costs etc., these costs can be very flexible and very expensive in poorly supplied areas like fierce warzones or the periphery

>>88980196
Literally the only weak spot in that book is Teddy being OOC during the Frederick Steiner interrogation, which in Charrette's defense he had to 'port over from some other book as was written to maintain continuity.

>>88980358
Those legs always give me a giggle. They look like they were made for fishnet stockings.

>>88981250
>Sam Austin
Sam Houston, you goddamn carpetbagging pretender.

>>88982983
Fire the writers and hire ones not self-worshipping factionheads.

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>>88983445
Working on perfecting mottling for Triasch Keshik of Clan Steel Viper.

>>88984503
Yes, but also in the sense of profession. It feels like mercs are always just one lucky raid away from fielding S tier assault lances, which feels pretty silly.

>>88984595
Progression*
Don't drink and post, kids

>>88984587
What is a Keshik anyway?

>>88984740
Khan's bodyguard. Usually a Trinary, sometimes a Cluster, and the Snow Raven saKhan's is a Naval Star.

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>>88983094
>retards say this while most of the writing focuses on inner sphere, even in the supposed clan centric eras
>and its just as bad or worse than the stuff written for clans

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>>88984858
sakhan deez nuts

>>88981132
Fuck right off to hanging yourself shimnigger cock gargler. Subhuman secondaries deserve to get gassed in a chamber.

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>>88984906
nothing yet written into battletech is worse than the furries

>>88983860
it's weird too, since one of the Osis bloodnames is mentioned as being blonde haired and pale skinned

new thread? new thread.
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>>88984947
>he doesn't want to run around with the dumb horse mech
ngmi

The "problem" with the clans has never really been the concept but more so the apprent lack of actually comitting to bits. They are weird techno barbarian raiders, but quickly turn into crusader states. They have this culture and everything centered around the battlemech as the ultimate weapon, but just in case here is a warship fleet and super infantry. They played war in a small isolated set of systems, but here are decent supply and logistics chains over insane distances. They have their honor system but they just disregard it when it suits their needs. They have quality over quantity to make the best of limited resources, but here's them steamrolling one of the largest industrial powers of the IS.

Some of it makes sense in context, sure, but it takes away from playing some dumb idiots with supertech and delusions of grandeur.

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>>88983440
Is she the most attractive female Battletech character?

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>>88984909
Nice one.