BIG GUN edition.Previous small arms: >>88955186『Horus Heresy』>Official Websitehttps://thehorusheresy.com/>New to The Horus Heresy? Here’s Everything You’ll Need to Get Startedhttps://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/30/new-to-the-horus-heresy-heres-everything-youll-need-to-get-started/>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/faqs/#the-horus-heresyhttps://www.warhammer-community.com/downloads/#the-horus-heresy>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS>30k TACTICA & TIPShttps://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLphttps://1d4chan.org/wiki/Category:Warhammer_Tactics/30k>Flufffolder/yM1yWIba#ETw9ELPJmEScSrM9Wwj>HH1 Black Booksfolder/s9xQ3CiA#9a594y1utfRGxKLxiIy2aQ/folder/QkpUCIhK>Rules and Supplements/folder/ZlFBCaRL#Uw_6_tb1NVTUrldEP4xmLw『Adeptus Titanicus』>Rules and supplements/folder/s9xQ3CiA#9a594y1utfRGxKLxiIy2aQ/folder/p5YjXaLL>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colourshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview>More listshttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions>What size magnets do I need?5x1mm>Tacticshttps://1d4chan.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics>homemade missions:https://clawsandfists.blogspot.com/2019/09/matched-play-missions-for-adeptus.html>Thread Question:What's your choice of BIG GUN?
>>88975978Mars heavy bolter is peak
>>88975978Anything shoulder mounted, but the bigger the better. I do miss the old FW heavy weapons (RIP flexible ammo feeds), but the plastic lascannon is fucking sweet.
>>88975978I do not care much for traitors
>>88975978Volkite culverin. Volkite are just THE heresy weapon
>>88976208Why would you say something so controversial yet so brave?
>>88975978paenus plaesma
As much as we argue and bicker about this game I think we can all at least agree it's better than 10th ed.
>>88976588We really don't know how bad 10th edition actually is in practice yet. However it certainly does look fucking awful.
>>88976588I haven't played 40k since 6th. I know nothing about 10th but it's 40k so I apply "by definition" procedure.
>>8897658810th edition is looking very much like cancer with the same problem of 8th and 9th + every fucking unit can get exploding hits for some reason
>>88975978>What's your choice of BIG GUN?For me, it's conversion beamers. The rules might suck, but the lore and concept of them is just way too damn cool.>>88976539>Mars pattern plasma cannonsPatrician taste, sir.
>>88975978>What's your choice of BIG GUN?rokkit lawnchair
>>88976588>tfw bought Red Scorpions bits because I was going to build an SM force>tfw with every reveal I want to play 10e less and less
>>88976588That's a low bar to clear, but yes.
Is the siege book leaked yet?
>>88976907Last thread one anon promised to take pics if the person at his lgs who got it early let him
>>88976775Make red scorpion chapter of X legionWorks fine as smaller scale iconography
>>88976924sadly I couldnt, he didnt show up to pick it up
When those previewed dreadnought torsos will be available? Also how high is the chance that they'll cost more than the dread kit they are for?
>>88976775Pretty sure there was an attempted port of the Badab War to the HH2 ruleset anon, maybe we can re-enact it with my slow grow Astral Claws army? :3
>>88977090https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/salamanders-contemptor-dreadnought-upgrade-set-2023
I can give every member of a Phoenix Terminator squad Venom Spheres as ALshould I do this? it costs 50pts for 5 but its 30 shots at poison 3+
Reminder that Guilliman did Calth
>>88977137He didn't do Calth hard enough desu, Total Ultramarine Death was only half complete
>>88977102Damn you anon, I was thinking about Badab War just yesterday! Is there any community or what?
>>88977183Not sure, an anon posted the WIP ruleset a while back and said that the project was shut down by GW. After looking through it some of the Chapter rules were a bit wack (pic related, how many buffs does one chapter need?) and I considered going through and rebalancing it but I kind of fell off it after going through the secessionists. There might still be people working on it elsewhere though
>>88976745Honestly, the C-Beamer Predator doesn't seem so bad on a large board. Even at "just" midrange he still packs 5" S9.
>>88977137>>88977149The Mark of Calth is still ticking, monarchianiggers
>>88976588checked, true
>>88977233I'm thinking if HH2 is the best "edition" for Badab. IMHO the main problem is the core list and rules, chapter tactics are not very difficult IMHO.
>>88977109Why would you take PT with Alphas?
>>88977487melee unit, why notthey can still take the surgical augment
>>88977487Maybe just because phoenix terminators are aesthetic as fuck?
>>88977233>and said that the project was shut down by GWLmao I guess he's fat. More likely he got bored and realized that,if pic rel is anything to judge by, that he can't write rules to save his life.
>>88977511Is it better to AL the stolen unit or have in its OG legion paintjob and insignia?
>>88977525Ultimately it's up to personal taste, but if you ask me if you're not painting your rewards of treachery unit in their parent legion's colours you're doing it wrong.
>>88977539I'd second that. I know many players did stolen units in AL colours but idea of fighting a battle vs AL and beeing attacked by a unit in your allies'/your own/Legion's who's not even supposed to be in this warzone colours is IMHO peak Alpharius.
>>88973356The problem with that is that they'd be way too same-y after even the first squad, and with the kits necessary they'd end up more expensive than actual SA. Just a question for HHers, but would using the standard Cadians be fine for SA or are they not armored enough? I plan on using a Penal Cohort and not giving anyone heavy void armor. Maybe using the gas masked heads would work. I mean, I'm not too keen on the idea and I'm maybe 40% okay with it so I'm wondering what you guys think. I think the SA rules are better than the M&C rules for what I'm going for, so that is why I am trying to match things up.
>>88977613Cadians aren't armoured enough. SA are all suppose to be wearing void-proof armour. If you're not using fully armoured and helmeted infantry just play Militia.
>>88977613SA are troopers in void armour with a distinct look and units pretty much like marines themselves.If you want to do your own thing, it's better to use M&C
>>88977525Current fluff seems to support OG legion. I wouldn't paint them in Alpha Legion colors unless you do a bit of converting to make the stolen unit look all Alpha Legiony.
>>88976758> OK
>>88977487PT can tarpit anything for hours and with AL you don't need a transport for them so they can be pretty annoying for low points invertment
>>88977525OG legion. You are not supposed to know that they are ALIt's also a convenient reason to have another army that you can expand later or use units from another army you already have
>>88977233>>88977410>>88977515The retards (from reddit) writing it straight-up used text and images from the IA books so they got C&D'd
>>88977740>PT can tarpit anything for hoursObjection, your honour. No, They can effectively tarpit for one turn only and even that depends who's in question. Anon is of course free to pick any unit he likes and that's the point of this game but let's not overestimate Phoenix Terminators' abilites.
>>88977764Well. that's your brain on reddit.
>>88977628>>88977715Yeah, that is my thought. The search continues for interesting armor but I fear I will end up just using militia.
>>88977613>The problem with that is that they'd be way too same-y after even the first squadNta but I still have a few platoons of old metal IG, I don't really see that as a problem really, we've been having little variety in poses for decades and marine kits themselves were mostly a collection of squatting with rifle across chest.
>>88976907I really want to know what the Inductii rules for the Sigma Hands will be.
>>88977782Yeah, I don't want to pee on poor Phoenix Termies but even though they can tank 1st round pretty good in the next casualties will start to mount because even hitting on 5+ (assuming attacker is WS5) every power fist/thunder hammer/ID hit will hurt them a lot and by triggering Perfect Shield they have only 1A each. I think it can kinda work in EC army where they can tank-anvil for one turn and then have other unit counter charge next turn to mess the attacker up. But I wouldn't call that efficient tactics either especially when it requires you to sacrifice one Elites slot to get them or have them as a Retinue for the Master. Who imho should be exactly in that counter charging unit. But that's how I see them, EC anon has some success in using them so I bow to his experience.
>>88976162Should heavy bolter havw Rending 6+ like autocannon? I think yes
>>88976208Yes all traitors to the Warmaster must hang.
Horus gets the extra attack for 2 melee weapons, right?
>>88978555Way to make autocannons pointless
>>88978584I don't see why not
Horus Heresy?More like Horus-your-mama-is-fat-Heresy.hehSee you round, loosers.
>>88978912
>>88978912Did FW ever actually release his model? Did they ever have a version of his wolfy wolf form?
Got a 3000 pt game tmo against Word Bearer shitters. Mara Gal and Gal Vorbak will be part the course. Rate my listIH -Company of bitter ironDelagatus with THMoritat with dual grav pistols1 x 10 immortals with grab shredders2 x 10 tactical1 x 10 Gorgans in a SpartanContemptor with grab fist and heavy Bolger2 x box knightsWE alliesMoritat dual serpents1 x 10 spoilers1 x 5 ebon keshig1 x 10 assault destroyers with 2 rad missiles
>>88976588>Editions not even out yet and heresy cock suckers are still acting superior We change from >GW DIDNT GIVE US NEWS THIS WEEK UM LE HERESY IS DEADto>heh we so cooler than the 40gays im buying another 20 resin upgrade kits
>>88979237Fucking auto correct. Deapoilers, grav fist, heavy bolter, box noughts
>>88979265Most of the complaints about GW involve how they're handling models. The main issues with the rules were figured out ages ago, and the system is still largely superior to most recent editions of 40k.
>>88979627Gone too soon. Wherever he is, I hope he's doing okay. Rest in peace.
>>88979010Nope, and nope. Bastards.
>>88979627King of the Neckbeards.
>>88976588After coming back from not playing since mostly 3rd and a very tiny amount of early 4th to 8th edition, I can safely say that I dislike the direction GW took 40k in. The removal of options, wargear, etc didn't really sit well with me. I didn't care for Primaris, as in I didn't really have an opinion either way. I wasn't a fan of moving the story forwards because I feel like that removed potential historical happenings (something like Badab cannot be explored post Primaris) and that took away quite a few thousand years of potential narrative.The simplification and then ridiculous complication of the rules wasn't great either, and that really soured my taste. Being able to fire any weapon from anywhere on a vehicle, lack of facings meaning positioning is pointless, etc. No initiative bothered me too, as dumb as that is. Vehicles having wounds was stupid.I tried to like it and accept something new, and I may still try again when 10th releases and everyone is hyped up on it. Oh, and "firstborn" is a really fucking gay designation.
>>88979838Mh. I swear I've seen some painted version of the model, but I guess those were people who had frinds in the design studio then.Still...if you have a piece of art by Paul Bonner and you do something different with the mini...Guess the art was too close to old man Grimnar with a hammer and TDA?
>>88979894heres the prototype that was on display at some point.
>>88979627Alan Bligh was responsible for some of the best lore 40k has, and it's obvious it was him because the moment he died, a lot of it simmered out. Thankfully, some of it lives on.
>>88979010They did make a SW terminator upgrade kit ages ago.
>>88979627You were more than we deserved, Alan. There won't be another like you.
>>88980035What i wouldn't give to snag this prototype. Still a little peeved we got banana fur in termie armor but not a rework of this guy. Swap the backpack, swap out the axe head for a hammer. Would have been an easy buy.
Are alt schemes cool?
>>88980203Star Hunter camo?
>>88980203You're missing your Johnny vox operator.
>>88980203Should be embraced more it would make people paint white scars more
>>88980203Hell ya
>>88980203Oh yeah. Hell, I've seen alt schemes that look better then the actual legion colors. Sallies, particularly that rogue trader camo comes to mind.
My friend and I are relatively new and we're going to be facing a dark angels player soon. We'll be playing at 3k points with no restrictions, and our side is limited to one warlord and a shared LOW/Primarch allowance. I play AL and he plays DA, any advice for this list?DA - 1495 points - POTLThe lion, a warmonger, a squad of Cenobium for a total of 875Two melta + fist dreads 360Tac squad 100Five man Lascannon squad 160AL - 1500 - recon companyVigilator 105Saboteur 75 (here to mess with a potential LOW)Delegatus for ROW 85Contemptor with fist and chainfist 205Full effrit squad w/ daggers 280Two Nemesis recon squads 270Full seeker squad 190Two neutron sabers 190Xiphon 105Please help, I'm pretty sure this list sucks ass.
>>88980241Great crusade scheme im using for Terran camo colors
so whats the deal with terran marines?why does nobody like them?
>>88975978>TQFond memories of grinding people to paste with the heavy bolter in Space Marine multiplayer leave me with no choice. As a plus, the new boomer shooter’s heavy bolter is the exact same audio-visual ambrosia translated into a doom weapon
>>88980712Depends on the legion.
>>88980712the short answer is the Terran marines of each legion typically had different cultures and ideals than that of the primarch's homeworld. This made them a minority over time, and often at odds with their legion's overall commander.
What's the lowest money:points ratio unit in the game? my best guess so far is Golden Keshig, which are around £39 to 40 points (ish), giving then an almost 1:1 ratio, half that of a damned titan. Any other wild outliers?
Guess the Legion they're gonna go into lads
>>88981071Ultramarines?
>>88981071I can see the printed shoulder on the dude on the right, so probably ultramarines.
>>88981097>I can see the printed shoulder on the dude on the rightForgot for a moment there how retarded I was.But yes, a soon-to-be unit of Ultramarine Nemesis destroyers. Tried mixing up my armor marks and boltguns in the unit to give them a scavenged vibe.
>>88980712Horus, bobby, Fulgrim, Kruze, and the Khan liked them. most of the rest rest didn't really care one way or another. Only Corax and I think Morty hated them.
>>88981238>>88981071>mixing armorNO. NO. NO. NO. YOU CAN'T DO THIS. IT'S AGAINST THE """"""""""""LORE""""". LOOK AT THE BLACK BOOK COLOR PLATES. OH MY GOD HOW COULD YOU DO THIS? YOU'RE SPITTING ON BLIGH'S GRAVE. HE'S SPINNING. HE'S SPINNING AND YOU'RE SPITTING. OH MY GOD. WHY? GO BACK TO 40K YOU YOU DOUBLE NIGGER.
>>88981270You think that's bad? Wait until you see the Mars Pattern Predators I use.I'm allowed to get away with it because I paint
>>88981071those are some crispy fucking prints my man what printer do you have
>>88980500Scheme is fucking god-tier on the MK6, seriously good stuff
>>88980712I don't know, Brother Jerrius. But it may be that they're just bad, petty people.
>>88981386Just a Photon mono my dude. In terms of print quality, a lot of it comes to fucking around with all the settings. Doubling the layer height (0.025) probably did the most, but you better be happy with long print times
>>88980534Trash list
>>88981258Most Terran RG gladly died for a plan Horus made
>>88981359AHHH MY AUTISM IT'S FLARING AHHH YOU'RE RUINING HORUS HERESY AHHH
>>88979887100% agreed. 4th edition was probably peak. Esp with the 3.5-4th ed codexes that allowed for customisation and encouraged originality.Now it feels like im playing yugioh or someshit with all these combos and no unit customisation or artistic direction encouraged
>>88981622Ironic considering 4th was such a bad time for gw’s sales
I keep finding myself getting annoyed with 2.0. I don't think it's bad, and at worse its a side-side grade rather than a downgrade. I think that's why I don't like it, though. It made a lot of changes that didn't make all that much difference. It feels like change for the sake of change, like it was an attempt to make it different from the FW game rather than making it better.I am annoyed by the overly-wordy way the rules are written, but that seems to be the general consensus. It adds complication without purpose. It;s almost like someone over at GW is getting paid by the word.How about you guys? Which version of the game do you prefer?
>>88980534that DA list is incredibly illegal, minimum list size to take the Lion is 1840 pointsto run Pride just so you can skip the Troops tax and take more terminators because you decided to overspend on dreadnoughts and lasHSS? despicable tooanyway you have a good counter to his footslogging Heavy terminators, as long as you spread out; he's only going to teleport once, then he's stuck walking toward you while you shoot himthe Effrit are wasted, the daggers won't do you any good against anything worth engaging but his HSS and it's easier to simply snipe those on turn 1, from far enough that they won't get Return Fire; his only Line is the Tacs and they're running or shooting but not both because no transport, so depending on the mission you may be able to ignore them entirelyinstead of the Effrit consider a dread pod - keep him guessing about where that Contemptor is going to come down and mess him up; since he doesn't have any vehicles, the chainfist is unneccessary unless you're gonna duel his dreads or Jonson since your fists already have ID and Brutal(3) for his Infantry; the Sabres can effectively fuck his dreads up, but be prepared to focus one at a time if the first shot doesn't wound successfullySeekers are very good anti-MEQ but he doesn't have much of that; consider another Xiphon in the same slot and maybe a third Sabre in the squadron, since he has no AA or even any augury scanners - the Xiphon outranges everything in his army by some distance, so other than small board you can fuck him up bad with flyers; Saboteur's not doing anythingspread out, if you're placing objectives spread them out as much as possible, keep him running around while you shoot him (he won't be going for them with anything but the Tacs anyway), shoot the furthest thing away that's worth shooting with that weapon - keep Return Fire to a minimum, use your LA trait and Shroud Bombs - do not engage his deathstar in melee
>>88981717some people like the units straight out of the box stratagem aura combo gamebut to me that's not my hobby
>>88981793I didn't play enough of 1e to really have a say, but I enjoy the current game the way it is. I'm glad the cancerous elements of the previous edition were removed, and the imbalanced elements of 2e aren't nearly as overbearing imo.
newfag here. is there a way to run a daemon army (preferably with some possessed marines sprinkled in)? I know you used to be able to do that in the previous edition
>>88981538>but HorusUncle Horus put Corax in a choke: assault a fortification without the proper support elements, or admit you can't preform a siege because you restructured you legion into a highly specialized configuration that is unable to complete the task.In response Corax placed the terrans up front to take the lions share of causalities, because the Marines he trained wouldn't be able to hold a protracted battle. >Prior to gate 42 Corax told the most veteran members of the RG including those who have experience in assaulting heavily fortified positions to fuck off because they were "too brutal">these included the most heavily armored elements of the legion who would have been the perfect fit for the task at handRegardless of all of that, Pert was right there for a reason, if Corax didn't place his pride before everything else he could have asked for assistance from his other brother and Pert would have jumped at the chance to feed his Martyr complex.
>>88981903Not at the moment, Bound Daemons can only be an Allied Detachment or LOW Detachment
>>88981809Oh sorry I must not have explained it correctly, we are playing as a team versus another dark angels player at 3k points.
>>88981917thanks
>>88981405Delicious
>>88981934ah makes more senseI guess in that case you'll be doing most of the anti-infantry work for him while he slowly walks to the guys he wants to duel; most of the points about shooting rather than engaging still apply (particularly if there's another melee blob like his, let your ally do that stuff)other than your Xiphon neither of you has much that can really hurt flyers, so maybe watch out for that
>>88981908And Horus wanted a weak legion ripe for heresy pickings. Yet Corax ended up killing the remaining terrans
>>88982225Thanks for all the advice! You've given me a lot to think about. I appreciate it. I'll see if I can't move some points around to drop the saboteur and add another xiphon or something similar. The dark angels player we're facing really loves his heavy support squads so I'm counting on my effrit to be annoying
>>88982364Horus liked the pre-emo RG, though he was probablya bit too used to using them as just an extension of the Luna Wolves, and Gate 42 was way before he even started planning the Heresy (and obviously ended up being detrimental to it - without the casualties of 42 and the subsequent exiled Predation Fleets, the 19th probably join the Warmaster's banner).Still funny that it's Russ of all people to act as peacemaker.Wonder which "potential traitor" was the biggest loss for Horus - IH, WS, RG?
Anon, about how big, and what base size, Should an Excindio automata be modeled on?I was interested in converting the imperial robot from black stone fortress set as one, but I’m not sure if it’s much to small for the job. Cheers if anyone has any ideas.
>>88982469I'd say the Iron Hands. Ferrus was another rational useful primarch which was in short supply in the traitor camp. also I think its important to note the other potential traitor, Sanguinius, if Signus was supposed to corrupt him.
>>88982486Somewhere in the vicinity of a Contemptor dreadnought or Domitar automata. It has a comparable statline. Unfortunately the man of iron from Blackstone fortress is definitely too small, but kitbashing a scaled up version (or printing one) would give you a really unique, cool Excindio. Just keep in mind it has an extra pair of arms and you're good.
>>88982542Thanks for the feedback Anon, I was planning on modeling the extra arms as some snakey mechadendrites. I’ve done some searching and there doesn’t seem to be a 3D model of UR-025, otherwise scaling it up to contemptor size would be easy.I think there’s similar design cues in the 40k mech line, but they’re also decidedly ugly, but maybe useable as a base to build from?
>>88982523Also ferrus had one of the strongest legions with all their armoured assets not to mention the heaps of techno-arcana the man hoarded.
>>88982632seen a great conversion off it based off the lord discordant but I don't know if its super fluff appropriate
>>88982523Oh, yeah, good point - that's chaos self-sabotage iirc as well, Horus wanted Sang corrupted, but Lorgar (or Erebus... I forget who did the setup) changed it to "just" sacrificing a primarch to the dark gods.DA also kind of get in there, considering Luther and how riddled with lodges they were, but Horus knew he was never getting the Lion.Still, any of Traitor Sang/Khan/Ferrus and the bulk of their respective legion would be a game changer, especially with two of them being primarchs who made it to Terra (though retcons also have Russ and Vulkan there and then leaving, so that aspect has been lost, thanks BL).Guess that's another reason that Horus was so annoyed at the bunch of commanders he ended up with instead of the one he was aiming for.
>>88982632Definitely a good base, some greenstuff and plasticard would make it pretty close to what you want. I'll look into it, but some alternate history WW2 mech models kind of share design cues with the men of iron (slit visor, cast iron looking armor segments, lights). I think the look of Machine Krieger models/Konflict 47 stuff could really sell the weirder nature of the Excindio as opposed to just another Warhammer robot.
>>88975978>TQI really, really like Reaper Autocannons. If I designed my own lost Legion it would have a unit equipped entirely with Reaper Autocannons.
>>88977487Panache.
>>88982772>Picrel
>>88982688I definitely took a look at the lord discordant, but it feels overall to chaos-ey for something the dark angels ostensibly lead around on a leash.>>88982772Having never worked with plasticard or green stuff it’ll be a learning experience, but yeah that base body style shared between the Kastelan and UR seems like the place to start.Although I prefer the second suggestion you make, of going for something more exotic to really sell the alien nature of the excindio. It’s just one of those things, what model is close enough to fit the setting, but just slightly different enough to stand out.
>>88982818The maschiner Krieger models in particular are pretty much already the right scale and would make a great jump off point for conversions
>>88982523>>88982469No way he purely banked on White Scar backing it’s why he didn’t order a backstab or them at istvann
>>88982818My final suggestion would making a conversion with a model of the mech from district 9 as a base. Very alien look, still looks like something from the Warhammer universe.
>>88982848>>88982817I don’t have the faith in my current skills as a modeler to take something like this and properly 30k so it fits the overall aesthetic. It’s looking like I’m going to have to do very bad things to a Kastelan with an exacto knife.
>>88982886Good luck anon, make sure to post your work when you're happy with it. I play AL so I've been trying to find a good model idea for an Excindio for a while.
>>88981622I remember seeing the 4th or 3.5 edition of the Imperial Guard. I can't remember which edition. The one with the doctrines you'd pick to make your guys how you wanted them. I recently looked at the newest IG and their slight choose your own thing. My God. It's bad. Such a lack of choice.
>>88982874doesnt look like warhammer>>88982945That and the 3.5 chaos dex were art. Even the 4th edition space marine dex had custom options for chapters
>>88983347then the Eye of Terror lists and inquisitors in the witchhunters and daemonhunter dexes
tried making a fluff-first army today out of stuff I had laying around instead of picking the most efficient shit possible>archmagos prime - reductor>4x4 thallax>thanatar callix>3x reductor basilisk tanks>questoris knight w/ thermal cannon + chainsword>4x armiger hellverinwound up tabling my alpha legion opponent in 4 turns and under an hour and it felt like I was shitting down his throat the entire time even though he was rocking a spartan filled with biomancied fire drakesdidn't get any pictures in sadly but it was incredibly one sided to the point where he probably wasn't having much funis the list too oppressive?
>>88981270>>88981562You try to make armour autists look like idiots, but you just out yourself as a seething lorelet:>Many times Corvo had stood in noble assemblage with his brothers, but never in one quite like this.>Once uniform in everything, the hammers of war had wrought the Ultramarines variously, beating out a different tune on each of them. Armour of differing marks mixed in their ranks and within individual sets. Battle salvage and worn elements had been lovingly restored by the Legion artisans rather than replaced.>Commendation studs, non-regulation weaponry and unique war-plate revealed the identity of their wearer for all to see. Personal foibles sanctioned and let speak of victory, victory, victory!>They bore the marks of their actions proudly. They had prevailed against all odds, and they were to behonoured for it.The Laurel of Defiance
>>88983347>>88983365It's not coming back, brothers. It makes me sad. Annoying, because I like the new Necron models and want to use them.
>>88983417not sure how necrons fit into this
>>88983383No, he knew he was coming to fight Mechanicum at 3k, right? It's all high-T and stampy armour with big guns. You've got to tailor to deal with that. Most of what you had isn't even hard to destroy, the basilisks are almost literal glass cannons, the helverins are probably the nastiest thing there but for 800 points you'd want them to work for it.Take out the Thanatar/Knight early on and it's largely mop-up and objective jockeying while staying out of sight of the helverins as much as possible.
Please help with my mechanized AL list idea. I don't plan to be hyper competitive, since this list is mostly an excuses to use a super heavy.DunstSaboteur2xLernaen + conversion beamers with DT LRSuzerain 5-man squad with DT LR2xTactical squad with DT RhinoA fucking FellbladeWhat should I use remaining 300 points for?
>>88983383>rocking a spartan filled with biomancied fire drakesthat's like over a third of his points, for essentially 4 TL lascannon shots.Don't worry anon, your list wasn't oppressive. He just gimped his own list by overinvesting in a deathstar. Many such cases
nomodels are asleeppost wips, boys
>>88983391In the Ultramarines, no less? NiceMakes mixing shit sound badass >>88982852Yeah, he wasn't sure about Khan, but it was a good bet, and he had contingencies around - with Magnus and Sang both on the "to Corrupt" list, he sends the most sane loner he has to convince Khan, and then putting unreliable guys who nonetheless like messing with people (AL) as your cleanup crew for the operation where the two most likely results are defection to your side, or fucking off into being an independent 3rd party, seems pretty shrewd.For all the shit he gets, Horus had a pretty good plan overall, with plenty of moves that weren't reliant on the success of others - if all the plots go off I reckon it ends up something like 5 vs 13 legions?>1st, Loyal but half defected>3rd Traitor once seduced, probably bring the 10th>4th Easy Traitor>5th Most likely Traitor or Neutral >6th Probably can't be swayed, manoeuvre them into forcing a doubter to join you/take out both legions>7th Literally impossible >8th Already renegades >9th You know their weakness, corruptible>10th Already disdain the weak, probably corruptible>12th Traitor, obviously >13th Likely incorruptible, put them in a brawl with the next largest legion and the butchers of the 12th>14th Pretty easy Traitor>15th Corruptible but not *likely*, you know their weakness though - throw an incorruptible loyalist at them, and there's either one more on each side or they both kill each other>16 Is you>17 Even more Traitor than you, winnow down any big ideas via a grinder mission>18 Likely incorruptible, Istvaan>19 Likely incorruptible once they got a primarch, Istvaan>20 Traitor, but unreliable
>>88983671About that...>1stHorus had no hand on their split, he just sent the DA far away to delay them and kept them on the other side of the Ruinstorm>3rdIt became corrupted before Horus, he didn't need to do anything>9thTried to kill Sanguinius and the DA at Signus Prime because he feared him as a rival
>>88983769Oh I thought the DA split has Traitor hands in it. And yeah, i counted them as loyal.3rd, yeah, they were on-side, but in older HH lore, it's said Horus sold them on it.9th, I'm not quite sure who was in camp Kill Sang, and who was in camp Corrupt Sang, but either way there was reasonable odds by Horus's calculations
>>88984045Fear No Tread is very explicit about Horus changing the original WB plan of turning Sanguinius into a Khorne servant. He wanted him dead and Erebus seethes so much that causes Horus to cut his face (literally) just to remind him who is in charge.
>>88984062*Fear To Tread
>>88983669Word borors storndord boror
>>88984062Oh I thought it was the other way around, but it's been ages since I read FtT, if I ever did. Damn Horus, you petty.But even so, that eliminates a legion and primarch - what happened to the Hands was similar, ideally you Corrupt them, but at worst they're out the game
>>88982486
>>88984117Or this
>>88984094Signus Prime was actually a good trap that almost wiped out or damned the BA.They only survived thanks to having a random civilian pariah null around that shielded a few marines from the worst warp shit, and an apothecary that sacrificed himself in exchange of Sanguinius at the last minute.
>>88984124
>>88983671I like that in the heresy they went for the gritty and pragmatic ultramarines instead of some retarded take like the memed "prim and proper poster boys going by the book" people mistake them as.
>>88984242That's because GW and FW do exactly that with their rules and fluff in codexes. BL ultras are unironically much better done in 30k and 40k.
>>88984242They are both desu. The>"prim and proper poster boys going by the book"is pretty accurate for most of their history. Both the BL series and the Black Books feature many examples of UM being described this way. Then Calth happened and it significantly altered the XIII legion's personality.
>>88981270>tries so hard>shits his pants>fails
>>88982523>Ferrus was another rational useful primarc>rationalyup, Ferrus Autis apologist is awake again
>>88982753>DA also kind of get in there, considering Luther and how riddled with lodges they wereAre you fucking retarded or just a lorelet?
>>88984242>instead of some retarded take like the memed "prim and proper poster boys going by the book">people mistake them asYou do realize it wasn't taken out of thin air?
>>88980712You know when your mother has a friend who also has a kid and she insists that you be friends with them even though they are a bit weird and you'd have never had anything to do with them if it was up to you but you are forced to do so?Kinda like that
>>88984501Except most of the fluff we've been seeing about them is how they adapt instead of being inflexible, so the notion did come out of thin air. When was it stated that due to their stubbornes in adhering to the codex they got their asses handed to them? And if it happened, how many times? Most of the time the codex in 40k was "criticized" was by chapters disregarding them, which usually resulted in the ultramarines looking at them and thinking "yeah they still won, but took unnecessary losses". Nids come around, they adapt and adopt a new official formation of veterans against the codex to deal with them. In 30k they are shown to be thinking ahead and analyzing with the theoretical-practical stuff if you go by BL, but even wanting to disregard that there's the obvious hint that the chapters involved at calth quickly changed, if anything the chapters not involved stuck to the old ways, but those became ultramarines successors, so it doesn't apply to the ultramarines themselves.
>>88982542>Somewhere in the vicinity of a Contemptor dreadnought or Domitar automatasolved
>>8898424230k UM were quite "by the book" until Calth forced them to adapt, the difference with their 40k counterparts being that they are not as dogmatic.UM in 30k prefer to rely on thoroughly theorized and tested strategies and tactics rather than designing new ones, but they are willing to do so if their toolbox fails to provide them with a solution. And once they do you're fucked, because the guys have put every bit of their autism into it, so you better kill them quick. They are slow but conscentious thinkers, adaptable and pragmatic in the long run when (most) 40k UM treat the Codex as a holy scipture to be followed by the letter.
>>88984659Fuck off ward
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/05/26/forge-world-pre-orders-grab-a-librarian-decurion-and-upgrades-to-prep-for-the-siege-of-cthoniaugly librarian and other shit up for preorder
>>88984674>40k UM treat the Codex as a holy scipture to be followed by the letter.Is there a single case aside from the living meme Leandros? Because the closest I remember is the red consuls chapter master consulting the codex to read words "written by men better than him" while his chapter crumbled around him, and the alpha legion guy then explicitly mentions that they sacrifice chapters that are unworthy or something IIRC, basically he called him and his chapter a failure and they got culled for it.>>88984676Nothing like him, he actually believed the memes and made them canon for a while.
>>88984686The librarian is barebones but it should look better with another paint scheme
>>88984659>Except most of the fluff we've been seeing about them is how they adapt instead of being inflexibleBravo retard, you've discovered that UM were wanked in 40k to the extreme and that problem with UM fluff was exactly that they either do not lose or they "uh, adapt" and win. And it's all written in most schizophrenic way where idoits were trying to sell ultramarines as THE codex chapter with UM treating the Codex in orthodox jewsih way but when writefags needed to make a little spin on UM (realizing that they're boring as fuck) they went with "uhm, akshulee even UM themselves sometimes shit on Codex xD". And same happnes in BL HH, Abnett's atrocious writing aside, full circle was made and UM are once again wanked as flawless in terms of war waging.
>want to take plasma guns with UM inductii because plasma guns are cool>know that it probably isn’t worth it and I’m better off taking melta guns or just taking a TSS insteadI hate my autism. Also was it common for inductii to have mostly mkvi or did they wear the other marks just as much? Honestly kind of like the mkvi look but wanna be accurate desu
>>88984725What's up with that weird gap under the right eye lense? Looks retarded as fuck.
>>88984725^you<vs the guy she tells you not to worry about
>>88984715nta, but Codex fundamentalism is big theme in the Uriel Ventris books, it's the sole reason he was sent in a suicide mission to the Eye of Terror.But it's something like a self imposed constraint to prevent them for going bananas with their overachiever mindset.
>>88984737It was the HH, people just slapped whatever could serve as power armour they had laying around onto their marines.
>>88983669Sweet weathering man. I'm working on adding more to my spartan
>>88984739Seems like a TS visual cue that shouldn't exist in a non-TS model, yeah
>>88984742To be fair Ventris left his company to go on a random mission, labeit critical, and his second had to cover for him. While that's exactly the reason why the chain of command is in place it doesn't mean that he could go and do whatever he wanted.
>>88984735What's wrong with having a chapter whose niche is being adaptable instead of sticking like a retard to ways that are shown to not work? There were chapters like that, they got destroyed. That's the way in which they manage to be the best despite recruiting not from deathworlds or something, but from civilized people, they use their head.
>>88984686Is this the wrost librarian model they have ever made?I can even see the appeal on the really old ones compared to their contemporary miniatures but this...
>>88984744Fair enough. Honestly I might still go with mkvi to represent them as real fresh reinforcements straight off the presses. Should help the other units stand out too with their more varied and mixed up looks.>>88984752Nice work anon, though I fell compelled to want to slap a melta bomb on it.
>>88984737mark VI makes the most sense on inductii since it was being mass produced by the time the legions had been forced into raising inductii and veteran legionaries probably wouldn't be so interested in markVI since it was a new suit to get used to while for newbies it'd be their first suit. At the same time you could argue that legions would send the new suits to their battered field legionaries and pull all the crap out of stock for the newbies. GW definitely seems to think it is the first option though, all their inductii are shown in mark VI.
>>88984741Bro's... it wasn't fair.He was just so good.
>>88980635NL Recon Winter camo
>>88984735>UM were wanked Only in codexes but never in the actual fluff. They get punched in the face and decimated all the time even if they win, and they lose several times (Armatura, Damnos).Fuck, Cato Sicarius had PTSD and spoke with imaginary necrons even before he was lost in the warp and losing his company, and now he's a glorified bodyguard.>>88984755Nobody in the BA, BT or DA would have given him shit for it since they won.
>finally painted up 10 AoD tacticals to use as inductii>painted the helmets black to fit in with the inductii scheme>discover that SoH inductii are despoilersFUCK, do I repaint the heads green and run them as tacticals or convert to despoilers? I thought inductii would just be cheaper tacticals or something.
>>88984807>Nobody in the BA, BT or DA would have given him shit for it since they won.Oh that's for sure, but following procedure after the battle has ended is hardly knocking on THE BOOK while everything aroud you is on fire and you're getting your shit kicked in. He got punished for breaking the rules but it's not like a marine commissar chased him to execute him on the spot right after he fucked off, and even calgar wasn't overzealous about the whole exile thing.
>>88984796Yeah that makes sense. Also that point of the more veteran units not wanting to bother adjusting to the new armour marks actually makes a lot of sense also desu. Reminds me of a cardboard crushing unit we had at our workplace that ended up getting replaced, and even when it was out by the parking lot waiting to get picked up, the more experienced workers who had been there for a while were still using it because they just refused to learn how to use the replacement unit.>>88984850You can always just run them as tacticals but still say fluff wise they are inductii.
>>88984815Red helmet on the rightmost base looks like the white cat meme.
>>88984850Just say they're inductii that had a battlefield promotion to tactical marines.
>>88984864Calgar in the books seems like being forced to keep appearances for the sake of morale and having to compromise. In the case of Ventris, Tigurius had visions about the whole mission thing being necessary instead of a demotion.
>>88984715>Is there a single case aside from the living meme Leandros?Well>Uriel "YOLO" Ventris criticizing captain Idaeus for being too careless regarding the Codex's wisdom.>Said Uriel Ventris being banned from the Ultramarines for going against the Codex during the battle of Tarsis Ultra. Calgar personnaly approuved his choice, but had to ban him anyway to ensure traditions were upheld.>The Tyrannic War Veterans causing massive ideological troubles among the chapter due to shitting on the Codex tenets,were.Among others, and I'm not going to track the fuckton of pieces of lore where the UM openly criticize or lecture other Chapters on the matter for no good reason beyond their own dogma.>Nids come around, they adapt and adopt a new official formation of veterans against the codex to deal with themAnd it was a massive shitshow between conservative and progressive UMs, no matter if their highest-ranking spiritual leader was the originator and most active proponent. They had to organize a big conclave that lasted for months and ultimately it was the return of the Tyranids that forced Calgar's hand.I agree that 40k UM get memed to death and that they are not braindead retards getting fucked everytime because "following the Codex = bad". But it's very explicitely part of their background that they seek to follow the tenets of the Codex whenever they can, and deviating from it perceived as despicable.In that regard they are very much the logical sucessors of the XIIIth legion, which as also fond of sticking to well-proven tactics first and foremost. The difference being, again, that 30k UM could pragmatically accept that those tactics were ultimately inadequate and needed to be completed with new, thoroughly designed ones.
>>88984900>The Tyrannic War Veterans causing massive ideological troubles among the chapterWhere was this stated? I missed the part where it caused so much trouble.
>>88984788But anon, the Gal Vorbak inside wouldn't appreciate that
>>88984936You'd think that, out of everybody, Gal Vorbak would be the most understanding to listening to the intrusive voices in your head.
>>88984917It's as old as their first appearance in the lore, in a White Dwarf article around the release of 4th edition Tyranid Codex (UK issue 306 I guess? I have the French version, issue 134). Calgar had to summon the whole chapter and listen to every battle brother's opinion before taking a decision because it was a serious matter. Ultimately the Tyranids came back and Calgar took this as a sign, authorized the deployement of the TW Veterans and said "OK Ortan, send your boys and show us what you got". The vets proved their worth and were officialy added into the UM military structure, but it was far, faaaaar from easy.
>>88984807>Only in codexes but never in the actual fluff.Are you retarded? They didn't get their reputation form BL book but exactly from codexes you mong.
>>88984807>Nobody in the BA, BT or DA would have given him shit for it since they won.Post sources that those chapters don't give a shit about command structure and leadership.
>>88984996>reading comprehension: F>>88985002Ventris actions were perfectly legal and his plan worked, they just deviated from the Codex. Even fucking Calgar wasn't mad about it, it was a political issue. It had nothing to do with a supposed "command structure and leadership" failure.
>>88985031>akshulee greatest of them allPlease fuck off to 40k.
>>88984865>because they just refused to learn how to use the replacement unitThat's pretty bad analogy, Mk6 is not "new and better", Mk4 was superior to it and Mk3 was specialized.
>>88984725loyalist librarian looks really barebones compared to the traitor esoterist
>>88985049It did have an improved sensory array, and was cheaper and easier to maintain than Mk IV. But which power armour is best seems to be a matter of personal preference even in the lore itself. There have been quotes about terran veterans claiming Mk II was the absolute best suit of power armour ever made. Even marine grogs aren't immune to the "old good, new bad" mindset lmao
>>88985067>That hand gesture
>>88984737>was it commonLmao what? You're asking about entirely made up nulore, where earlier inductii were just a mention without any solid info. If (nonWE) inductii were intorduced several years back they would have had Mk4 but since GW decided to shill Mk6 as a most common mark they are *naturally* mk6.
>>88985067Remember, brothers! It's TWO in the pink. The Dark Gods will it so!
>>88985031>>88984986>>88984900>uh-oh le Codex problemsDoesn't matter in the slightest, UM lore from dexes is that they are the bestest astartes ever.
>>88985067Looks kinda dumbass and tryhard.
>>88985094People who use "nu" for 30k/40k shit from more than a decade ago need to be bullied out of the hobby>inductii were intorduced several years back they would have had Mk4Wrong. They would have been mk5 AKA "Heresy" armour.
>>88983671>Horus had a pretty good plan overallNot really. Istvaan III proved that day one.
>>88985128>where earlier inductii were just a mention without any solid infoCan you fucking read? Make a compilation of all the fragments about Inductii from before HH2 2022-2023 and see how much you'll get. With an exception of WE Bodt you won't find much. And yes, le siege of Cthonia will no doubt massively expand about Inductii, hence the "nu" lore. Do you get it now?>>88985128>Wrong. They would have been mk5 AKA "Heresy" armour.No they wouldn't because (plastic) Mk4 was THE armour mark back in the day. Do you get it now?
Oh fuck, Games Workshop really put "Ravening Madmen" on Inductii World Eater to do a fuck to the player and call it a day?
>>88985189inductii is just a more recent name to the fresh HH marine recruits which always existed in the fluff. >Mk4 was THE armour mark back in the dayOnly BEFORE the heresy. It has always been canon that the war fucked up its production and thus Mk5 became common. And who would need to wear new inferior armour? Fucking noobs, that's who.
>>88985192esl retard
>>88985192Ravening madmen is a pretty good defensive buff for despoilers. It just sucks supremely on redbutchers becasue losing the defensive benefits of WS5 screws them over massively and -1S makes no difference against the type of weapon you use against temriantors.But against aything with less than S7 it's a pretty good increase in survivability.Spite of the legion is also good but to take advantage of it you need other units that aren't too fluffy for WE
>>88985078We did have mention of marines not trusting the razorback in 40k because it was too new compared to the rhino. Anyway, older=better in the imperium is usually true.
>>88985222>inductii is just a more recent name to the fresh HH marine recruits which always existed in the fluff.Stop trolling. Inductii doesn't mean fresh recruit now, it has very specific meaning. And you know bloody well waht's the deal.>Only BEFORE the heresy. It has always been canon that the war fucked up its production and thus Mk5 became commonFag, do you understand that I'm not refering to in-world fluff but the fact that most popular mark is the one done IN PLASTIC? By GW? Do you really not understand the relation between GW selling shit and writing fluff to legitimize it?
>>88985242>Rhino with Heavy Bolter is OK>Rhino with twin-linked Heavy bolter is just blasphemy
>>88985242to be fair the razorback used to have twinlinked plasma with an autocannon, which you know, isn't the best idea storing explosive ammunition next to exploding guns inside a flimsy turret.
>>88985261It was a lascannon though, wasn't it?
>>88985230nah it sucks. also they cant have apothecaries so who cares.
>>88985242>We did have mention of marines not trusting the razorback in 40k because it was too new compared to the rhino.Yes, and they were max bullshit. Doubly so now when HH got explored.
>>88985270oh true, well still I wouldn't want to sit in that thing.
>>88985255>Inductii doesn't mean fresh recruit nowYes it does, specially now. Just because the Black Books singled out the WE ones due to their nature and gave them rules do not mean the other legions did not have them. For the record, pic related is a WE inductii that must have fought for the first time on Isstvan, and yes, using mk4 armour from before the troubles with production.>I'm not refering to in-world fluff but the fact that most popular mark is the one done IN PLASTIC? Which doesn't matter at all in the case of mk4, because the fluff and the model releases have been correctly aligned.You should be whining about the lack of mk5, but you are just another idiot stuck in muh Black Books and missing that they only cover the very start of the war (and even they retconned mk6 to be issued before it was in previous fluff).
>>88985230Not that Anon, but I thought that too until I did some really shitty math-hammer.>10 attacks from a Tactical Squad to a World Eater MEQ squad>W/O Ravening madmen10 attacks hitting on 4's, 5 hit wounding on 4's, 2.5 wound>W/ Ravening madmen10 attack hitting on 3's, 6.6 hit wounding on 5's, 2.2 woundThey pretty much suffer the same amount of wounds because the improvement to hit and the worse to wound cancel each other out.
gonna try again today to see if my friend picks up his siege of cthonia book so I can have a read
>>88985309not to mention that the regular despoilers can take an apo and have heart of the legion so they basically take half the amount of damage the inductii do. its retarded
>>88985299>Yes it does, specially now.It fucking doesn't because in FW parlance Inductii are hastily mass produced astartes herded together into their own units. Which happen to have rules explicitly written to distinguish them. Your pic says exactly that: it's a new initiate (or neophyte, or inductii in other places) and before they were assigned to existing squads as a newfags.>but you are just another idiot stuck in muh Black Books>posts Black Book pic himself >still can't comprehend models-fluff relationshipOk faggot. Done with you.
>>88980203Only alt schemes are cool.
>>88985418>Only alt schemes are cool.
>>88984725I hate all this fucking knee trim on mark 6
>>88985382>shit reading comprehension>nonsensical argument with no point>Macca-tier screeching abou mk6Fuck off and don't come back
Does anyone have a copy of the .tiff files for transfer sheets for Iron Hands and Word Bearers that AustraliaAnon uploaded a few months back?
>>88984725I think we've reached the point where 3rd party stl sculpts are better than GW/FW
>>88985464The recent HH models have mostly shit design, yeah
>>88985460dunno about those specifically, but BoLS and Bolter and Chainsword have huge archives of decal sheet files for DIY printing. Worth a look if you need some.
>>88985457>exposed as retard>got owned, has no argument, starts screeching>brings out his "hated" favorite YTberFuck off and don't come back
>>88985427I'm not fat or white.
>>88985460Yes: https://workupload.com/archive/yfTrWHR2fh
>>88985489>https://workupload.com/archive/yfTrWHR2fhthank you, you're a saint....I don't suppose you have blackshields perchance too? Much appreciated regardless!
>>88985501There's this old PDF guide to Blackshields icons which had a good quality layer underneath the tags, you need to clean it up.
>>88985475>I WILL have the last word!Pathetic.
>>88985540the irony. kek
>>88985540Fushta.
>>88985550>FushtaThis man wins.
>>88984815nice um bro, we flay for macgrag
Huscarls seem pretty neat but are really expensiveam I missing something with them? they're 275 for 5 base, sure each one can take a solarite gauntlet but its 10pts each
>>88979627This image gets me every time It never gets easier >Only in death does duty end
Speaking of razorbacks, deimos pattern razorback with open topped schizo turret when?
>>88985621give shield, give fist, give solar marshel hq to make them ws6. now send them at something that moves. they can also deep strike because IF
>>88979627I miss him but he lives on in the lore.
>>88985621fuk off pissboi teachers pet
>>88979627>'I rememeber the Imperium as it was meant to be, as it could have been'Based Alan, I wonder why GW even allowed that quote.
>>88985670plastic card will get you there. Not hard to scratchbuild if you want that. I bet there are some 3rd party/3d printing offers out there that could scratch that itch.
>>88985670If you have a resin printer/know somebody with one? Right fucking now.
>>88985311drop tomrrow anyways lad
>>88985621You are missing Battle Hardened (1)That, WS5, and the 3++ makes them pretty resilient against other terminators with TH.Offensively they are not great tho, since they can't take THs themselves. But pointswise they are pretty close to a normal cata retinue with the deepstrike and shields built into the costThey are not bad for the points but they are not just terminators+They don't do the same things
The first hh unit I ever painted was a squad of IW tacticals from the BoP set but never went any further at the time due to a lack of interest in 1st ed and i'm pretty fond of them. So fond that I want to build a whole army of the bitter cunts. I wanna add some jebikes with meltas since the legion rules seems like it would make them even better at blowing up tanks and dreads despite the toughness 4. Also what are some answers to close combat for the 4th? Despoilers with shrapnel pistols seem fun but risky.
>>88985670I figure the time line for that would be after tacticals are discontinued from 40k within the next couple or years and they eventually do a mark 7 run for a scouring wave for whatever HH will be called at that point.
>>88985670Just buy one online and slap it on a Deimos rhino. I bought someone's conversion that was just a MkIIc Mars pattern rhino with the metal razorback turret bits glued on top and drowned in paint. It did lack the gun bits, but I was going to convert it to have a multi-melta anyway (to make a multi-melta rhino) so it was not a problem.
>>88985736Nigga this is not some epic jab at GW…it’s literally a heresy thing of I remember the imperium before it went crazy
>>88986110>this is not some epic jab at GWGW probably thought the same.
>>88985802 solar gauntlet ID termies
DECURIONSdo you intend to use one?
>>88986350maybe the return-fire-with-a-battle-weapon dude, but i'm waiting until i see all their rules
>>88986350I want to see the rules first.
>>88986364that shit is going to be zany on a kratosa near-500pt tank is also lulzy
Did IstvaanIII loyalists have vehicles and terminators?
>>88986448I guess so, though certainly not things like Phoenix Terminators, Justaerin or Dathshroud.
>>88986385If it only lets you return fire with 1 battle weapons and no other defensive weapons I'm not sure it's really gonna be worth it. I think I'd want to go for evade instead
Horus Loopercow
>>88979265the core rules have been leaked a while ago
>>88986234>solar gauntlet ID termiesThey don't force them to save twice though.
>>88986234So do missile launchers. Don't see anybody talking about how those are good.>captha: WANKY
>>88982789>a unit equipped entirely with Reaper Autocannons.Varagyr can do that.
i'm back
I read siege of cthoniaI have some notes for you guys, you can ask questions but it'll be going off of memoryfirstly>IF character is 215pts, has the brutal 2 power fist as rumoured>SoH character is 205ptsAlpha Legion CANNOT steal other legions inductii or the unique tank commanders, the rule do not fit how rewards of treason workthe tank commanders, the 2 generic ones are as follows>Defensor is +20pts, can take as many as you want for kratos/predator/sicaran/sicaran punisher>the other tank commander that shoots back with a defensive weapons+battle weapon is +30pts and you can take as many as you want for the same tanks, I believe his reaction that allows you to shoot back with the battle weapon is on a model basis rather than squadron basisthe 2 legion specific ones are 1 per armyNight Lords Inductii dogpile rule, heres how it works>I10 step, pick uo to 2 models from the unit not in the challenge and roll a d6 for each, on a 2+ they immediately resolve their attacks vs the person in the challenge, on a 1 they attack the sgt instead, if you kill the guy in the challenge the sgt can still attack normallyfew more notes>there is artwork of an AL inductii painted up in TS colours>there is a converted TS praetor model and a SoS centura model pictured at the very back, they look nice
>Hey man this is my 2000 point list is that okay?
>>88986807man the top of that hammer is fucked. good shit otherwise, nice trim
>>88986234So do normal ass power fists.Solarite gountlets are super situational compared to a normal THThey are good on normal sergeants because they give you an extra attack with a pistol and they can't take THs anyways. Termies get no bonus out of them
>>88986808IF guy :Does je have T5 and a FnP in CC as rumored ?
>>88986733It's so fucking weird that SW of all people get to have terminators fully loaded with heavy weapons. IW I understand. UM are copying IWBut SW? Why?
>>88986872T5 yes, I dont think I saw a fnp but dont doubt it
>>88986872>FnP in CC as rumoredI think it was the SoH guy that had FnP and battle hardened
>>88986889Fuck if I know. They can also rock twin close combat weapons. Chainfist and lightning claw combo, anyone?
>>88986808was the lore fun to read?
>>88986933TH and lightning claw for me
>>88986808>can take as many as you want for kratos/predator/sicaran/sicaran punisherYou mean in the army or you have to buy multiple in the same squadron?>on a 1 they attack the sgt insteadlamoUnrelated question: Did you see the missions? Are there more objective based ones or more or less like the core ones?Any changes that stick out to Zone Mortalis?
>>88986808can you tell me if decurions need to be purchased alongside a pintle weapon, and which are available for this?
>>88986947you can buy one for each tank, so you can have 1 in a squadron, 3 in a squadron, your choice(except the legion specific ones which are 1 per army total)I didnt look at the missions
>>88986965decurions do not need a pintle mountthe SoH one even states that you can only take him if you didnt buy a pintle mountI also forgot, the battle weapon one also gains a nuncio vox for the tank
>>88986991>the battle weapon one also gains a nuncio vox for the tankohyes.ogg
>>88984069Why does ur mum let you have TWO banners?
>>88987021>rerolling scatter kratos battlecannon or graviton cannon predator
>>88986826yeah sure, jetbikes suck*tables you in 2 turns with a 10 man lascannon hss*
>>88986896>T5 with brutal 2 fist...Oh god.
>>88987061built the fuck in>atop the coaxial autocannonkratosbros....................
>>88986807Very nice.
thunder warrior tank btw
>>88981405Fucking sex.
>>88986991>the SoH one even states that you can only take him if you didnt buy a pintle mountyou mean this one? whose model clearly shows him having a pintle heavy bolter?you can always count on GW to fuck up something very simplesure, i guess it will have an option without the HB, but still
>>88987162i think in that instance it's because a heavy bolter pintle gun is included in his points cost thus you cannot take one atop that
>>88987162he gets the pintle mounted banestrike heavy bolter in his cost, its 24" but S6 AP5 Breaching 6+its the only weapon he can take essentially
>>88987162probably comes with the bolter dude.
>>88987181ignore the AP, I think its AP4
Lupercal!
Is there any convention for naming squads under the Principia Belicosa? Are squads most usually designated with numericals, sergeant names, or something else?
the kratos battlecannon is garbage even with return fire
>>88987071*return fires you with 6 multi melta shots*
>>88987241kaplow
>>88987285>24" heavy1
>>88987295fucking metal amirite
>>88987303only for the most waac of fags
>>88986350I will not use a Decurion simply on a matter of principle. I remember the dark times of old night, those broken times deemed the 7th Edition.
>>88987310haha 470pt tank goes>krkrkrkrkrpuhpuhpuhpuhpuhpuhBAMBAMBAMBAMBAMBAMtrtrtrtrtrtrtrtrtrtrtrtr>crompch squish kaboom;3c
>>88987346*kills 1 hss lascannon with return fire*hmmm yes very good.
>>88987204In the Black Books, squads are numbered in the illustrations of the more conventional legions. See pic related.
>>88987367Others use names, though. So probably both systems were used at the same time.
>>88986627Lupercaladdon. Don't forget that Cthonian surnames include an addon.>>88986733But then I'd have to play Space Wolves. Though as an old fan of King's SW, I might. And if I do I'll probably make said unit.
What legion doesnt quite have fans but is often respected when seen on the table
>>88986448Yes.Veterans with Terminator armour who would have been loyal to the Emperor were sent down to die, and they captured a bunch of vehicles from the traitors early during the battle.
>>88987181>LW get Banestrike Heavy Bolter>AL don't>Headhunters don't evenFix my squad GW. And then give Termies back Banestrike Combi-bolters to fix those squads.
>>88987432Take the knot pill, anon.
>>88987437personally I really like seeing ws and the istvaan 5 loyalistsalso not legions but solar aux are cool and a display of passion with how expensive and time intensive it is to get an army of them
>>88978912Do Russfags really...?
>>88987437White Scars, Ultramarines, Salamanders
>>88987437none of them
>>88987503Is that actually what happened?I thought it was because the Space Wolves showed up to a warzone un-announced, didn't contact the Dark Angels who were already engaged in battle and then started shooting a bunch of enemy ships the Dark Angels had already boarded, killing a bunch of them in the process.
>SoH and SW inductii get chainaxesgw really just fucking WE over nonstop this edition
>>88987819Not like WE ever were the only ones using chainaxes.
>>88987819ywnget+1attackoncharge
>>88987851they were, actually.
>>88987866chainaxes have basis in the unification wars, they're ubiquitous if just off-flavor, i'd imagine
>>88987866no
>>88987437White Scars players are all cool lads.
>>88986871>Termies get no bonus out of themExcept wounding Contemptors and Leviathans on 2+. Except slapping Av14 at 4+ for glance and 5+ for pen with Ap1. Except for IDingT5 and astartes Battle Hardned(1).
>You have been playing games, RIGHT anon?Believe it or not, my Dreadnaught did not survive 7 Phoenix terminators and a dual melee Contemptor attacking at initiative 5+. Fucker didn't even have the good graces to take any of them out with his death explosion.Also, painting up Nemesis destroyers for my UM. What are some methods you guys use for black power armour? Posting pics of your models for examples would be greatly appreciated
>random person at lgs walks up to me>"hey man do you post on 4chan, I think I've seen those models before"don't fucking do this please for the love of god
>>88987937>hiss @ him and skulk away
>>88987937thats why you arnt supposed to post models here, retard
>>88987937Play it cool and act dumber
>>88987072I hate brutal regardlessBut I guess this guy can punch harder than Vulkan.
>>88987432>Don't forget that Cthonian surnames include an addon>Cthonian addon to a name is "addon"
>>88987970I read this as kiss him
>>88987437Well made DG and EC, Salamanders.
>>88987997*smooch*
>>88987503
>>88987241Don't you know that it's the most broken weapon becasue IF get +1 to hit with it?Australian fatman told me so
>>88987937>"Nah, man, I don't. Though I've posted some pics online, so maybe someone else has posted them there?"
>>88987855berzerker assault needs to give us armywide hatred again
>>88987597>Is that actually what happened?fucking retard lol
some more siege of cthonia notes>AL inductii cannot be targeted by ANY shooting attack on turn 1, this means return fire etc wont work>given there is an AL inductii painted up like a TS, this would imply the paint scheme for AL inductii is another legions>the IF decurion gets an augry scanner BECAUSE OF COURSE HE FUCKING DOESI hate IF pandering by GW
>>88988068>the IF decurion gets an augry scannerhahaha. oooooh man.
>>88988034XII doesn't have many frills but there is no arguing with chainaxes on literally everything if one so wants, universal two-attack s5 melee across your footfuckers is pretty cool and i personally very much like the excoriator too
>>88988085>but there is no arguing with chainaxes on literally everything if one so wants, universal two-attack s5 melee across your footfuckers is pretty coolws4 is trash. without hatred they suck.>and i personally very much like the excoriator tooits trash, it needs ap2.
>>88988068>this would imply the paint scheme for AL inductii is another legionsDidn't you say they can't take otehr legions inductii?
>>88988115give the heavy chainsword despoilers going up the center in a tank a chaplain to see them off then ;3
>>88988115You are retarded. Perfect choice of legion
>>88988127no they cant, the AL inductii has their rules and on the page next to them theres an artwork of a "TS" inductii and it states how hes a disguised alpha legion inductiiim saying it implies that the reason you cant shoot at them turn 1 is because they're dressed like your opponent
>>88988147>im saying it implies that the reason you cant shoot at them turn 1 is because they're dressed like your opponentthis is what i was understanding. super kino
>>88988147aaa ok makes sense
>>88988138im retarded because i think the s6 ap3 unwieldy shitty weapon is bad? LMAO
>>88988147>GW now essentially forcing me to paint a squad in every legions colors so they don't look out of place depending on the oponentgod damn it
>>88988163why not one marine per legion lmao
>>88988163>>88988179just make them loyalist false flaggers
>>88988163Can just paint them in any random legion's colors anon. The AL were known to wear the livery of legions not operating anywhere near their particular warzone to sow confusion. The opponent's squads could just be trying to identify them or something.>What the hell are White Scars doing here?!Then you can steal a unit and take an allied detachment from two more legions and have an army painted in four separate legion colors in one army, all of which could plausibly be Alpha Legion.
dancing and celebrating inductii pict-captured before a city reduced to a pyre
>>88988155You are retarded for complaining about not having WS5 when you can take Rampagers as troops and about 1 special weapon not being AP2 when the alternative for the same points, wounds anything on 4s, is not unwieldy, gives you extra extra attacks and is effectively ap2
>>88988082That and a T5 brutal 2 power fist praetor.Next up is a new rogal dorn mini with a vigil pattern storm shield and his fleshbane, brutal 2 power glaive.
>>88988244>You are retarded for complaining about not having WS5 i was complaining about not having hatred you stupid illiterate nigger>when you can take Rampagers as troops and about 1 special weapon not being AP2 when the alternative for the same points, wounds anything on 4s, is not unwieldy, gives you extra extra attacks and is effectively ap2they dont have line
>>88988247>Praetorian's Duty - Rogal Dorn always hits on 2+, no special rules or effects can ever modify that.>Golden Son - Every armour or invulnerable save made by Rogal Dorn can be rerolled.>Righteous Fury - Rogal doen has Rampage (6) and all his attacks casue Instant Death. If Rogal Dorn fights a Primarch unit type all invulverable saves made against his attacks are reduced by -2 and every wound he inflicts on Primarch unit type is multiplied into D3.I hope GW will do him justice bro.
>>88988256>they dont have line>this melee assualt unit that should be constantly charging into new enemies has no line and cannot sit on objectivesNot him but you are retaarded
>>88988310>j-just take no line in your entire army bronot him but you are retarded
>>88988244>wounds anything on 4s, is not unwieldy, gives you extra extra attacks and is effectively ap2I've seen guy loading up Rampager with 50/50 meteor hammer and falax blades, great combo against everything when led by Butcher's Claws warlord.
>>88988385all the enemy unit has to do is hold the line and then the furious charge doesnt proc and the hammers go back down to s7 so they will still bounce off terminator deathstars
>>88986808what's the lore for AL inductii
>>88988598Probably not much different than regular AL, find the biggest fags in the galaxy and give them power armor
>>88988674>find the biggest fags in the galaxyI don't think you'd fit in power armour anon. Too short and too fat also your odour would probably overload filtration systems of the suit.
>>88984737In the cthonia reckoning book it mentions the Inductii wearing scraps of older armour mks and references on in particular wearing a mk2 set thats describe as an obsolete museum piece
The NL inductii pile in rule makes me absolutely wet. Two power axes striking at I10 at the enemy sergeant on a +2. SOVL
Guys, the intrusive thoughts are winning. Would space wolves look good with brown instead of grey?
>>88988896>Two power axes striking at I10 at the enemy sergeant on a +2I don't think that "immidiately" supersedes unwieldy anon.
>>88988918>Would space wolves look good with brown instead of grey?If you want to make them even more meme go for it. Compulsory new helmet upgrades too.
>>88988918Don't put your minis up your butt, anon.
>>88975978How the fuck do people deal with Gal Vorbak. Asking as a IH and WS player
>>88988896inductii cant take upgrades
>>88988992force weapons :)
>>88989053What's the best way to get those other than Librarians
>>88988992>sv3+ T5anon u srs?
>>88988918Im doing a brownish scheme with silver trim and it looks good. Its only a bit brown its still mostly grey
I'm so tired of beakies now...
>>88989083They have 3 wounds and FNP plus they can power up quite easily
>>88989115Just bring shit with instant death, it's not hard>T. DA Cenobium chad
>>88988896I dont think they can take axes as i think the axe replaces a chainsword, of which, they dont own any as they've echanged them for the prison shank
>>88988992Only Pha;anx Wardens can compete with them. I'm sorry anon.
>>88989095I was planning to go really dark grey with an oxidized bronze trim. But I found a good looking metallic brown that I thought would go nice with some dark iron trim and red accents.Got any pics? I'd love to see your progress.
>>88988896>at the enemy sergeant on a +2Idk anon, that's a 1 in 3 chance of your own sergeant eating that power axe on the back
>>88977267Imagine bragging about getting buck broken, ultards don't even have a double digit number of brain cells between their whole legion... oh wait, you even dismantled yourself into chapters.
>>88988992Massed Plasma and Volkites. Iron Circle:^)
>>88981270Mk4 and everything after it are cross-compatible. Only mk1 and mk2/3 exist in isolation.
>>88989239The UM primarch isn't closed in his room afraid of being bullied while his two chief kiddie diddlers fuck over each other's minions. Cope.
>>88988992Demolishes make Gal Vorbak disappear. Other than that, they do die in melee. I've had pretty good luck with blobs of veterans, WS5, a bucket of attacks, and power swords/lightning claws will chew through them. You'll lose whatever is in combat with them, but you'll also kill most of them so it's as good as a trade as you can get without bringing a Demolisher. Which, again, just removes them from existence.
>>88988992bindigadors xdddthey also ID (non IH) yabelinz
>>88988992Lass cannon doritos are particularly good at it.Or just shoot them with culverins, they are not that resilient.
>>88975978>Hear hhg bitch and moan about IF nonstop >Bruuuh the Warders get a 3++ they can reroll! >Check the actual rules >It's a 5++ that conditionally turns into a rerollable 4++ in SGMan fuck off you idiots. It's good but it's not that strong honestly; just shoot them to death with basic bolters. Ez pz. >Buh buh stone gauntlet gives cataphractiii terminators the rerollable 3++!! It's OPWow... 425 for a bunch of ws4 bodies that stand there with basic power weapons and do... nothing. Closer to 600 if you want them to have thunder hammers and be more useful. Closer to 1000 if you want them to actually move up the board in a transport.You guys suck at analyzing this game. Makes me wonder if you play at all
>>88986448Iirc, DG vehicle crews mass defected to the loyalist side. That's the reason the legion turned into footsloggers.
>>88989406>every thread needs Phallus Warders shitflinging aaahhh!
one final thing to add with decurionsyes, you can take one inside the tank commander tank in armoured spearhead, which I expect everyone will do due to being able to react with a battle weapon (e.g sicarans main gun)
>>88989473If you have the book - any first impressions on the fluff? Is it well-written in your opinion?
>>88984900>deviating from it perceived as despicable.Not true, the codex is portrayed as an adaptable living document.
>>88989464>every thread needs shitflinging aaahhhftfy
>>88989515I skipped over the fluff but from what i can tell SoH lose somewhat then DA come to bomb the entire place
>>88989516Fuck off
>>88989473the sicarans main gun sucks though
>>88989322Yeah, he's closed in a glass coffin like a store brand Lenin mummy. And that RG bullshit is just that, bullshit and cope - Lorgar killed corax.
>ultrafags still think that losing 150k marines on calth is "winning"lul
>>88989406Not a single person in the last few threads said they had a rerollable 3++. Also, the condition for the rerollable 4++ is the same that gives them their other special rule, so big whoop if the bases touch. Also, nobody brought up cataphractii with a rerollable 3++, which isn't even something that can happen.
>>88989172I am seriously considering running DA allies for my WB since Cenobium cost the same as GV and are miles better.
>>88988992GV are likely to bounce off Morlocks and a charge by Golden Keshig will royally fuck the GV.
feels good to paint sober again
>>88989406>Buh buh stone gauntlet gives cataphractiii terminators the rerollable 3++!! It's OPAs sick and tired as I am of IF bitching I'll have to call you out on that. No one has ever said that's a thing becasue that's not how it works. Virgil shields are not boarding shieldsA rerollable 3++ on terminators would actually be the most obnoxious thing ever and I'm the ones saying warders are not anywhere near as bad as people make them out to be
>>88989616>germans won WW2 because they had the biggest kdr
>>88988299You forgot his WLT>Praetorian of Terra- Grants the controlling player an additional reaction in each phase and all IF automatically pass all leadership and pinning tests. Whenever Rogal Dorn or his unit kill a unit in combat or via Sweeping Advance, gain 2 VP.
>>88984130Aww.
>>88984130That's a pretty cute genocide machine
>>88982486UR-025 is small, he's the size of a large infantry model. An Excindo is dreadnought scale.
>>88989670That's one pretty dread.
Do the melee/ranged upgrade sprues for Contemptor and Leviathan Dreadnoughts come with assembly instructions?
>>88989690Anon he just wants to argue and deliberately makes some strawman for people to bite on it.HOWEVERIf you put 4++ IC with boarding shield in PW squad he does get rerollable 3++ in Stone Gauntlet
>>88989616Calth was a tactical victory for the Ultramarines and a strategic Victory for the Word Bearers.
>>88989799It was both tactical and strategic victory for the Alpha Legion though.
>>88989799>ultracucks think losing 150k marines is a tactical victorywewlad
>>88989670Holy shit that is so crisp and clean
>>88989759>If you put 4++ IC with boarding shield in PW squad he does get rerollable 3++ in Stone GauntletGranted but a praetor with odd equipment is a lot more palatable than if every unit of generic cataphractii could do that for free.
the only good pisstard is a dead pisstard
>>88989990>the only good loyalist is a dead loyalistFTFY
so, is the kratos any good? and what loadout?I was thinking of taking one with just a stock loadout aside from flashburn shells and a decurion
>>88990081>so, is the kratos any good?IDK it looks like shit so I have never even considered it.
>>88990081>is the kratos any good?no
Anyone played as SoH or against them with Loken in the list?
>>88989813Counterpoint: If not for the experience gained at Calth, Guilliman and the Ultramarines would not have broken protocol and launched the decapitation strike that slew Alpharius* on Eskrador***If that was Alpharius.**If Eskrador was even a battle that happened.***[DATA EXPUNGED]
>>88989759>If you put 4++ IC with boarding shield in PW squad he does get rerollable 3++ in Stone GauntletYou mean like a cyber familiar techmarine with boarding shield ?
>>88990081What Legion do you play?Full volkite or the melta cannon with lascannons and nipple autocannons are generally considered the best builds.It's not a great tank overall being a bit too expensive for the guns it brings
>>88990171
>>88990250Alpha Legion
>>88975978Scans of Siege guys????Anyone got any Siege Scans????
>>88989871Is that a joke?That's a joke right
>>88990195>techmarinebut y tho.
This name will never be good until it gets its (long overdue) rules.
>>88990705*game
>>88990705>cuck platform>pintle-mounted gun that can't even swing in a full frontal arc because of hatches and cameraswhat did they mean by this?
>>88987927>Except wounding Contemptors and Leviathans on 2+Brutal (2) is Still better>Except slapping Av14 at 4+ for glance and 5+ for pen with Ap1.>Except for IDingT5 and astartes Battle Hardned(1).That's the definition of situational. You don't usually get to use melee termiantors to attack tank unless your opponent is doing something weird. And T5 and battle hardened units are much rarer than normal ass terminators and other T4 infntry with invulnerable saves, against which a thunderhammer is much better.
>>88990832It's roughly the size of a Macharius, so use that should it ever get rules.
>>88990533Techmarines are neat unit schampions with the free powerfist attacks and 2+sv by defaultTho a cognis signum would do barely anything on a warder squad
New Crusade fleet>>88990918>>88990918>>88990918>>88990918
>>88990895>this doesn't count>this also>and this as well>see? it's not that good xD
>>88990533To get a 3++ rerollable save
I'm thinking of 3D printing some Night Lords to use in some test games, what are some canon colour scheme, marking or armour variations besides the standard skull/bat wing heads and lightning bolts that I might not know about? Can be pre, during or post-Heresy
>>88990946Yea that's the response you get when you say stupid shit
>>88990964Look at the decal sheet. They have icons like cofins, bloody hands and stuff like that
>>88989753yes, but you can find them online
