One space marine should not be capable of taking on whole armies that include enemy space marines. Fuck nuhammer
>>88964794>Fuck nuhammerDidn't space marine come out in like the 5e era?
>MUH POWER LEVELSProtagonists can defeat as many enemies as they want, that's always been the golden rule of 40k
>>88964794cope and seethe oldfag.The only thing that would have made boltgun even better would be if the Ultrachad was a primaris.
>>88964803OP just wants to shill this game and is taking a argumentative stance just so people like you will bite at his bait.
>>88964794"One imperial guardsman should not be capable of taking on Primarch Horus that includes him being empowed by chaos. Fuck nuhammer."
>>88964794Its a video game, OP, chill
>>88964834>thing that never happenedOllanius Pius is a Perpetual, an alpha-plus level psyker and immortal who has lived for countless thousands of years.
>>88964794Using just the image I would say it looks like he's the last surviving member of his squad and is about to get his shit rocked.
>>88964868>the sorrow of knowing I can never travel back in time and cause Abnett to have a sufficiently powerful epileptic fit that he snaps his own neck and couldn't pollute the Heresy with the perpetual bullshitI failed you all
>>88964794Is this the first time you played a video game?
>>88964870If you're doing just a numbers analysis, yes. But that image does not communicate imminent defeat on his part. If he was the last of his squad, we would see his dead companions about him, which would indicate the same fate for him. He shows no sign of damage or injury, aside from a slightly tattered loincloth, and is GLORIOUSLY backlit, his pose triumphant. None of his enemies appear imposing in comparison to him. He'll be fine, he's just there to crush his inferior enemies. NuHammer zoomercore digital art garbage.Is the autistic brain really that incapable of making inferences from artwork?
>>88964868>Ollanius Pius is a PerpetualNewfag begone
>>88965039Get with the times, grampsAll that was glorious and noble in 40k has been tainted and polluted with plot twists and vapid characterization in 30kThe setting is no longer one of mystery and thrills of the unknown, but Marvel superheroes hunting for MacGuffins around the galaxy while the laws of the entire setting bend and warp beneath their narrative gravitational pull
>>88964794>Load up my brand new game>Kill one chaos space marine>Die to the second chaos space marineYeah sounds great
>>88964868Wrong, Ollanius Persson was the Perpetual and he was no "alpha-plus level psyker".In the other hand, there was an Ollanius Piers during the Siege of Terra with balls of steel that faced down Angron and probably became the source of the IG myth along the former.
>>88965066Shut the fuck up, 40k has always been the same and there's still plenty of mysteries, new and old.
>>88965096All Perpetuals are alpha-plus level psykers by default. You have to be a sufficiently powerful psyker in order for your soul to be resistant to the Warp's tides enough to rebuild your body at death. Not all Perpetuals are trained to use their powers though, but yeah a Perpetual is basically someone with a super-soul that can reincarnate forever like the old Eldar did. It's the old idea of psychic ascension to demigodhood that the Emperor wanted all of humanity to become.
>>88965125>40k has always been the sameI don't know how anyone could actually claim this with any seriousness after Guilliman, Primaris, and other retarded shit that's happened
>>88965144Those changes have been irrelevant. The setting still has the same feeling, core, and tropes, just with different faces, and bigger battles.
>>88965238>the biggest changes to the lore and setting in the history of the game are irrelevantok champ
>>88965133This is all headcanon and not backed by anything
>>88964868>Ollanius Pius is a Perpetualfunko-hammer tier bs
>>88965242The core of the setting hasn't changed at all. It's still 2 minutes to midnight for the Imperium. You've just not paid attention since 2017 and you're a secondary that only parrots memes.
>>88965238>bigger battles....this may be a shock to you, but "biggerer" does not necessarily mean "betterer." did you stand and clap for the nu-death star in the force awakens?also, the setting no longer has any of those things. imagine thinking like this.
>>88965144>Guilliman, Primaris, and other retarded shit that's happenedI have no idea what you're on about. And it's spelled "primarchs".
>>88965250>t. has never read HH series in his life
>>88965238>The setting still has the same feeling
>>88964794the average CSM should be 1000x the soldier as the average loyalist marine in the 41st millennium. unfortunately, most of the fan base are fans of the imperium. so the "villains" must serve their purpose of being poster material. with the enormous influx of star wars refugees during the lockdowns, the setting needed to change further and reflect the same tropes and characters.the average space marine must be the best thing ever, because the self-insert tendencies of certain fanbase are now in your game. should have gate-kept harder, no one to blame but yourselves. you will not be missed.
>>88965293I don't know what delusional mindset someone has to have to try and defend 40k like this as if they've been blind to all the changes since 7th, but man, it reeks of autism.
>>88965342that's a goddamn blessing
>>88965303>>88965353>>88965404The mid 2010s changes that actually started before 8th with Magnus, etc. are just a case of “Everything must change for everything to remain the same”.You just cling to a shallow version of the setting in your heads based in the aesthetics of the game in the 2000s, without really understanding the actual core of 40k.For example, this idiot here >>88965441 isn't aware of the many many times 40k has been marketed to kids since fucking RT/2e:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ERmUzs1O5E
>>88965342I've read almost it all for better or worse, and you're making shit up straight out of r/40klore schizos
>>88965523>isn't aware of the many many times 40k has been marketed to kids since fucking RT/2e>zoomer armed with only wikipedia knowledge can't comprehend that many of the grogs had space crusade/heroquest/battle masters>unable to differentiate, even with the overall themes/tone/presentation of the very jewtube link he posted>muh "ahktuwal core of 40k"
>>88965526You've not read that book and it shows. It's sorta mediocre amazing but still 100% 40k.
>>88965641>sorta mediocre amazingwow, glowing review.
>>88965133What the fuck is a Perpetual. I stopped playing 40k after 4th edition. And my friend tells me they blew up Cadia..
>>88965398If you meant a veteran of the long war, yes I would agree. But keep in mind that there are also thinbloods made with whatever geneseed they can loot or cloning.These are actually worse in any metric from imperial marines due to lack of training, degradation of geneseed, etc
>>88965626lol, I still have my old heroquest and bits of Space Crusade.You're just another 2000s edgy kid that deluded himself about the seriousness of GW and marketing trends over the years. The fucking 2nd edition era and their bright colours were clearly about appealing to younger kids before the late 90s wave of black leather edgyness.But in any case, just like today, the setting itself keeps being grimdark.
>>88964834>>88965096All of them are a fabrication based on the true story where he was based on an unnamed Space Marine Terminator.
>>88965125Not really in 1st edition dreadnoughts were just mechs, space marines weren't transhuman they just had power armor and chaos wasn't really the main bad guy until slaves of darkness came out. It was a hacked together mess of ideas.
>>88965678Being mediocre doesn't mean it doesn't keep the tone, which is the point of the argument
>>88964794>Brothers of the Snake follows a lone marine fighting off a Dark Eldar raiding force to save a feudal world by himself.>Published 2007>Came out during 4th EditionYou're actually retarded if you don't think it's a common cliche.
>>88965738I think you are taking anon a bit too literally
>>88965746>dark eldar>space marines .......
>>88965775Dark Eldar have handheld weapons so advanced they instantly kill Terminators and are known for being the stealthiest guys around; from a purely logistical perspective they are THE single most dangerous major faction to Marines, yet Marines handedly beat them all the time, because actual logical power levels take a backseat for story beats, it's 40k after all.
>>88965738Yes and no. Your RT screencap shows how close Dreads were to 2e onwards, just allowing normal humans.>space marines weren't transhuman They already had augmentatoins and the black caparace, just not geneseed yet.>chaos wasn't really the main bad guy until slaves of darkness came out. it was being written along RT and was released less than a year later with a big mini range of CSM>It was a hacked together mess of ideas.Sure, but a very good one.
>>88965726>bright colours were clearly about appealing to younger kids>what is medieval heraldry>what are color choices of the 90s
>>88965398>>88965695Even a veteran of the long war that has spent a billion years in the warp, for all his newfound powers and mutations, all those centuries of experience, a fair amount also seem pretty fucking mindbroken from that same experience, and some of them are barely even able to remember the experience they have it seems.
So is the game actually a good Doom or whatnot clone or not?
>>88965835the australian reuben sandwich booba guy said it was good but people seem ot have mixed feelings about his review capabilities in general so I don't knowI will also say obligatorily >THIS ISN'T /V/ REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>88965835no.like everything during this "DONTCHA REMEMBER DA 90s?!" current fad, its disingenuous and pandering.
>>88965806>color choices of the 90sMainstream stuff while the actual edgy kids were all about the Crow, the Sin City comics/Frank Miller, or Quake and NIN. And 40k again later, of course.
It's a video game you joyless retard.
>>88965877Anon, you see fun is not allowed and everything must be about the culture wars
Game looks great, I hope someone edits the sprites so that I can play as deathwatch marine
>humans are supposed to be very similar in durability>human fiction consistently shows one or few humans taking on dozens or even hundreds of enemy humansFuck nu-human fiction
>>88965892that is a totally valid thing to say when someone is complaining about the "lore accuracy" of a doom clone
>>88965835It's more like a Build Engine game than Doom, but it's fun. I've spent twenty bucks on worse shit for sure. It's not super lore heavy, but they did a great job building the world space. Some 40k games end up looking rather generic, but I don't think I've fought in a arena yet that wasn't instantly recognizable as 40k.
>>88964794>you must be 18 or older to post on this website
>>88964794One fire warrior should not be capable of taking on whole armies that include enemy chaos space marines and greater daemon of tzeentch. Fuck nuhammer
>>88964794>its all imperial propaganda
>>88964803anon, Fire Warrior came out 20 years ago
>but my book says space marines aren't that powerful
>>88964794One of the Tau's fighting styles is called Monat, the "Lone Warrior". There's even a character called Kais that's all about it.
>>88964794The video games have never been canon you complete retard.
>>88965738Amazing how every single thing you just said was completely wrong in some way.
>>88967453He probably wears a trenchcoat too
>>88964794pretend you're a primarch and you're golden
>>88964794This is why no one likes 40k grognards
>>88964794Yeah when has a video game ever made you an unstoppable killing machine even though logically you shouldn't be any stronger than the average soldier? I'm so used to games making it impossible for me to fight more than 2 guys.Honestly I know this is just bait, but I can't help myself. So congratulations you get a (you).
>>88967555But he's right, dreads were mechs in RT, and Chaos didn't even exist.
>>88964794>>88965066You two are like psyop marketeers acting like there was never anything fun in 40k before GW tried to turn it into something they market to kidsFire Warrior was twenty goddamn years ago
I’m just glad they gave this to a beakie and not a primaries marine
>>88968093warhammer 40k: Space marine has you as an unstoppable killing machine that solos an entire invasion force of two sides and kills a demon prince in singular combat.
>>88964794ngl, I don't care how much it rizzles your tizzle.
>>88964794He's an FPS protagonist. Do you know what Kais did to the Imperium in Fire Warrior?
>>88970645That was the implication, yes.
nice thread, asshole. you make this yourself? real fuckin' original. dipshit.
>>88965855>australian reuben sandwich booba guy...what
>>88965686As retarded half-ass explanation for what the Emperor really is an en excuse to add a dozen Mary Sue characters.You've just stopped short of witnessing the Grey Knights having a Perpetual Special Character right in with the Wardian codex.Basically - anything truly unkillable because it resurrects itself on the spot. Yes, literally.
>>88970661Didn't they retcon that as him being explicitly supernaturallly helped by Khorne without his knowledge, because he liked how things were being fucked up?
>>88964794It's okay if the marine in question is an ULTRAmarine obviously, dipshit OP.
>>88968402>But he's right, dreads were mechs in RT, and Chaos didn't even exist.Rogue Trader released in 1987, Realms of Chaos released in 1988. Saying that "Chaos didn't exist in Rogue Trader" is a bit like saying "The Tau didn't exist in 3rd edition 40K"; technically true of the initial rulebook, not at all true of the edition or game itself. And Dreads are still mechs in 10th edition 40K; they're just mechs piloted by disabled Space Marines. >>88971034That would be the video game novelisation; I actually loved that touch as a 14ish year old. By the end of the book Kais is psychotic and in isolation due to the sheer amount of killing he's done.
>>88971280Oh yes, because black space marines have never existed before.WTF does it matter to you if he's black it has zero impact on his character?Like, I doubt he will be, but its still schizo to bitch about it as a possibility.
>>88971415> there are not niggers in 40k as a whole
>>88964794I didn't think that a flimsy shooter like Boltgun would leave someone feeling depressed and anxious. And Ultrachads are unbeatable Ultrachads.
One human being should not be capable of taking on whole planet's worth of Xenos that include enemy Ork warbands. Fuck nuhammer
>>88965096Ollanius Pious was an Alpha plus male.
Surely you all have better things to get emotional over?
>>88964794Yes, because ARMA with Space Marines would feel totally lore accurate and 40k.
We really need more games like Boltgun. I want another Fire Warrior again but you got a titan fall style way of spawning mechs to jump into even if they arent necessary to win.
The great thing about the 360 isn't beating the games, it's showing everyone online that I did.
>>88964794it's a fucking doon mod, calm down and fuck off with your shit opinion
>>88965877>Do not criticise just consume product and get excited for new product Actually kys yourself
>>88964794Fire warrior, you stupid fucking retard nigger.
>>88975178When you criticism is "b-but muh lore" than it can easily be discarded.
>>88964794>One space marine should not be capable of taking on whole armies that include enemy space marines.>meanwhile three guardsmen and an ogryn taking out hordes of chaos cultists and mutants is fine
>>88965746Just wait till he hears about the movie where a single squad of marines took down an army of chaos marines.
>>88965933I hope the game has some mod support, could get some crazy things going.
>>88966821>Some 40k games end up looking rather generic, but I don't think I've fought in a arena yet that wasn't instantly recognizable as 40k.I like they used actual models as reference for the sprites and environments.
>>88967580Nothin’ personnel, gue’vesa
>>88975774It works for retards who don't ask questions and generally obedient slaves. But nothing wrong with the client wanting something other than what they are given, creating a lore accurate game is more than possible today, the problem is that no one is interested because sheep like you will eat any crap.
But is the game any good?
>>88976283Monotonous and in terms of gameplay more primitive than first Doom. I will say that this is a modern military shooter that pretends to be an old school.
>>88976236>creating a lore accurate gameJesus Christ how horrifying.
*sip* Yep, just like Doom
>>88976236You should have been bullied more in high school.
>>88976236You're not the client retard, you didn't fucking commission this game.
>>88976831>only thing that matters is the CEO opinion>buyers must consume in silenceDid I missed a communist revolution or something? Since when did pleasing customers stop being a priority?
>>88976367Absolutely insane take, in what world is it more primitive than the original doom. The original doom didn't even have mouse look
>>88977151It is the priority, that's why they aren't concerned with fags who just complain and never buy anything.
>>88964794Space Marines are powered down for the tabeltop. Most Marines don't even deploy in full armies. They send in like 5 at most to conflicts to preform surgical strikes on strategically important locations while the guard deal with a majority of the big battles. Now fuck off lorelet and let us enjoy our game.
>>88977318>>88964794so far the only things i didnt like is yet another female inquisitor (so the inquisition is just nothing but females now or what?) and how like 5 veteran marines died in the landing. which isnt un-realistic for the setting it just suck and is a boring way for so many veterans to dieeverything else is great so far unless they reveal hes a black or something like that
>>88965746To be fair, in the novel the Dark Eldar he fights alone are just the surviving dregs from a crashed ship.
>>88965293999.M41 was two minutes to midnight with the galaxy facing multiple pan-galactic extinction events. We're now at fifteen minutes past midnight and everything actually turned out alright.
>>88977273The gameplay of the first Doom still has more gameplay than Boltgun.>>88977280But I bought Doom Eternal because it is not made by dumb zoomies like the new Wolfenstein. So fuck you, I have taste and I'm not a dumb loser like you who seeks validation through humiliation and buying shit.
>>88977318The fact that you enjoy this game says everything about your intelligence, or rather the complete lack of it.
>>88977368>But I bought Doom Eternaloof
>>88964794does someone have a list of how the machine spirit upgrade effects each weapon?
>>88977382I haven't played it yet. I'm going to enjoy it just to spite you.
>>88977492Ok, if you want to be an idiot who am i to bother you? All I'll do is laugh at idiots like you when they try to pass themselves off as old school shooter fans.
>no multiplayer>no map editorwtf
>>88977368>The gameplay of the first Doom still has more gameplay than Boltgun.In what way?
>>88977664Resource management, finding secrets, prioritizing targets, weapons that actually count, positioning, better map design. Meanwhile, in Boltgun you just run forward, shoot the enemy with any weapon you like and occasionally throw grenades. And this is how the "secrets" look like.https://youtu.be/KxBppbZrPVM?t=962
>>88977776Yeah if you play on the easiest difficulty, resource management and what weapons you use won't matter, same as the original doom, with both games you don't really have to engage with any of the mechanics until the harder difficulties. Also all of this is arguing that the gameplay is lower quality, not that there's less of it.
>>88970771maybe he's referring to gmanlives or skillup
>>88977351Have you seen by whom the main character is voiced?
>>88965133A sizeable chunk of Perpetuals are indeed psykers, but I don't remember Oll showing any kind of powers. Even Grammaticus is "only" a logokine and has no psychic offensive abilities.
How the fuck do you deal with Nurglings they are basically hitscan with how fast they shoot and their projectiiles and can simply hit you from across the room while sprinting to the other side. Same with the frogs. They are the weakest to shotguns but to shotgun them you basically need to trade damage cause they cant be killed in one hit.
>>88964794>One space marine should not be capable of taking on whole armiesLet's test that shall we?>1. space marine (we'll say he's a captain) equipped with a bolt pistol and chainsword. Has the ultramarines subfaction bonus. vs.>4 Black legion chaos marines. One with powersword, another with a chainsword, one with bolter and one with chainaxe.>1. chaos terminator with what I assume to be a stormbolter.>1 Heretic.>3. Pink Horrors.>We'll ignore the screamers as they seem to be preoccupied with something else.Cruchnerds help me out here. The enemy is clearly trying to charge and smurfy is firing overwatch. How does this turn out? because it looks to me like a heroic last stand.
>>88978850yeah it disappointed me but I'm just gonna ignore it
I don't know what game you guys are playing but on the hardest difficulty taking on that many csm from the position he's in in that wallpaper is probably gonna be death unless you got full health and armor
Actually I messed around a bit, I was wrong.This game is really non-lethal.
>>88964794How many goombas realistically should Mario be able to goomba stomp?
>>88965398SM>super human warrior monk trains endlessly and crusades eternallyCSM>literally warped, too busy larping as one of four hogwarts houses and putting spikes on their outdated equipment
>>88977776>Resource management, finding secrets, prioritizing targets, weapons that actually count, positioning,Outright lie if you're implying that boltgun doesn't have these in abundance.>better map design.Subjective.>shoot the enemy with any weapon you likeAlso a straight up lie.>some secrets are easier to find than othersNon-argument.If you're going to be a miserable retarded shitposter, at least make an attempt to act like you know what you're talking about.
I feel like the SM and his weapons are accurately portrayed in Boltgun; it's just his enemies are way too weak. Many of the demons and CSMs should be just as fast and agile as he is, if not faster. They should melt through your health just as well as you do through theirs.
>>88980608>1 space marine>4 legionaries, 1 terminator, 1 cultist, 3 pink horrorsHe starts moving around and abusing LOS to win
>>88982658They do on the the hardest difficulty
>>88982910They do a ton of damage, but still move pretty sluggishly.
>>88980608He's got a name, meaning he's got an inflated statline and some kind of bullshit special rule.
>>88982543>Outright lie if you're implying that boltgun doesn't have theseBoltgun doesn't have it, but it's true. So this game will appeal only to those who haven't played old school shooters and don't care about Warhammer lore.>Subjective.Objectively, all of Boltgun's maps are straight corridors without fantasy.>some secrets are easier to find than othersThis shit isn't even a secret. Anything that doesn't require finding secret walls, switch puzzles or tricky jumps isn't a secret. So Boltgun is a shity military shooter disguised as a doom clone.
>>88978367>the gameplay is lower quality than the fist DoomGod Emperor, Doom is the bottom line (this is not a hate, it's just a fact that Doom was the first game of the genre, and since its release, the genre has made a huge progress), how can you be lower?
>>88981684What are the chaos gods hogwarts houses?
>>88964794>a video game making fags madDelicious
>>88983303Well cant disagree its a military shooter cause the highest difficulty basically makes playing cover to cover the most effective way with randomly running around gunning enemys down being the most risky approach.
>>88983303>Objectively, all of Boltgun's maps are straight corridors without fantasyOkay now you're just trolling, almost every combat happens in huge arenas
>>88964794Why does this Ultramarine, a member of the most ardently atheistic, pro-Imperial Truth Legion, led by the most ardently atheistic, pro-Imperial Truth Primarch, refer to the Emperor as a god? Because the devs are fucking worthless memetards like half the people replying to this post are bound to be.
>>88965096Do these silly books seriously come with pictures because they know their midwit audience would get bored by too many words?
Forget this "he's just an average marine" nonsense the game pushes; how would Boltgunguy be viewed by Imperial command in actual 40k? Like this is a guy who chews through masses of high tier enemies without any support like it's nothing, and even slays a few Greater Daemons. I don't think he'd be treated like some run-of-the-mill SM sergeant. I don't think the Ultrasmurfs would loan him out to the Inquisition like they do in the game.
>>88987692of course they're memetards. instead of gothic orchestral music its just generic AI generated metal music
>>88988651hes a veteran, he has a white helmet
>>88988651The only other character in-lore to ever go on a rampage as impressive as that is Khaldor Draigo, for reference's sakeAnd Draigo is a [REDACTED] figure who only the Ordo Malleus are given the privilege of learning about, so basically Imperial Command would just shit itselfThat said, Boltgun is set in the same alternate continuity as Space Marine; Titus isn't an official canon character and nor are his accomplishments in the game, same with Boltgun guy. Nobody should take anything in these games too seriously.
>>88988816Didn't Titus get inquisition'd because he was too good at what he did?
>>88988871Please dont ask stupid questions if you didn't even play the game.
>>88965526NOOOOO!!! NOT WOMYN AND NIGROES!!!! AAAAAAH SAVE ME GUILLIMAN!!!! I'M GOING INSANE!!!!
>>88988816No, Titus is canon. We had a scene in Sicarius' book where they acknowledge him.
>>88988816Nah, I think Ultraguy would be hailed as one of the greatest Imperial heroes and propagandised to fuck and back. Maybe privately some people in charge would have some concerns about the potential damage that a Space Marine with godmode hax could do to them if things went sour, but on the other hand they are well aware that the Imperium is barely managing to tread water on a good day and that Space Marine is worth an entire Chapter and like half the Grey Knights all by himself.
>>88983303>doubles down on lying through his teethWhy? You aren't fooling anyone who has actually played the game, dumbass.
>>88964868No he was just an ordinary human and his sacrifice was the only thing that convinced the Emperor that Horus couldn't be saved, whatever the fuck gay garbage you just said is some tranny's fanfic
>>88964794>Fuck nuhammerYou sya this, but this is THE EXACT SAME DISCOURSE we had with Fire Warrior. Nostalgic.
>>88964794Seethe chaos fag
>>88965238I bet you actually believe this you cancerous faggot
>>88988816Aren't Titus and the older marine in SM1 based on Sternguard head sculpts? Or did the game come before those models.
>>88989471Yes but I think the noncanon aspect is Titus being 2nd Company captain. When is SM1 supposed to take place anyway? It has to be after the events of DOW2 Retribution since the Blood Ravens say their new "None shall find us wanting" battle cry.
>>88991319The game came first.
>>88965686Cadia is the best of the nulore. Look up the cutscenes from the game if you’re at all interested. It’s kino, and proof you can advance any plot line and do it well as there’s a return to the driving themes of the story after
>>88964794>WHY IS A SINGLE MAN SLAUGHTERING ENTIRE ARMIES IN THIS DOOM CLONE?! YOU KNOW, THAT GAME THAT HELPED POPULARIZE THE "ONE MAN CASUALLY MOWS THROUGH AN ARMY" GENRE
I'm not even finished Chapter 1 and I'm already concerned about how quickly the arena hordes can shred through my health and arm- I mean contempt. Does the difficulty curve continue to climb the same way it has been?>Also why can't I stack machine spirit upgrades D:
>>88985182Griffindor is khorne. courage and bravery shit is ripe for khorne corruptionHufflepuff is nurgle. They dont care to excel at anything. Stagnation is nurgles domainRavenclaw is tzeentch. The smart guys obviouslySlitheren is slaanesh. Obsessed with being "pure" also obvious.
>>88988651Fucking hell even Titus had 1 veteran sergeant and leandros for whatever he's worth backing him up. For what Caedo did, they would probably found a successor chapter of ultramarine just for him and make him chapter master at the very least.
>>88964824does the music get better? seems the only weak point so far. I want chugging riffs or thumping bass beats to go along with my purging
>>88965067PROTIP: to defeat the chaos space marine, shoot it
>>88965144>Guilliman, Primaris, and other retarded shit that's happened>caring about the meta lore shit
>>88989927Then again, the Imperium are kinda dumb and there are tons of stories of them shooting themselves in the foot at the very end for absolutely no reason:>Returning from a suicide mission with limited casualties and total success sees Lieutenant Nathasian of the Cadian 86th slated for execution. Yet he is spared when a band of grim-faced Custodians from the Aquilan Shield appear at his side in a blaze of golden light, and wordlessly cut down his would-be commissariat executioners. With his remarkable bodyguards at his side, Nathasian is free to exercise his flair for unconventional tactics, which soon sees his promotion to Commander Army Group, then to Warmaster of an entire Imperial crusade. The Shuddering Stars are swept clear of Ork tribes, stopping Waaagh! Dakskrag in its tracks before it can descend upon the Sol System. In the wake of Nathasian’s triumph over the greenskins, his bodyguards depart as suddenly as they had arrived and – never ones to rescind a sentence – the commissariat see Warmaster Nathasian dead before the day is out.
>>88964794>One space marine should not be capable of taking on whole armies that include enemy space marines>Titus literally defeats a Waaaghboss on his own>Titus literally halts a Chaos invasion on his own >Titus literally fights off a Warband of chaos space marines and cultists on his own >Titus literally defeats an about-to-ascend Chaos Champion>No one gives a shit about the lore accuracy >Some doom powerfantasy game comes out where you play a space marine>B-b-b-b-ut muh lore Shut the fuck up, literally no one ever gave a shit about consistency like that in 40k video games >Fuck nuhammerActual newfag detected, kill yourself poser
>>88992422that's just stupidyou're telling me this guy is a warmaster who has won a literal fucking crusade and he doesn't have the wargear, training, and veteran bodyguard to krump some commissariat goons?I accept the commissariat being retardedly trigger happy, but I can't understand why a guardsman would be accepting of that when I could have sworn there used to be canon which said commissars had to watch the fuck out around vets who weren't having their shit
>>88964794How do you think it compares to the literal thousands of enemies you mow down as a group of 4 penal legion / inquisitorial acolytes in Darktide?
>>88992471those four could definitely krump the guy from boltgun but they would still definitely lose to titus imo
>>88992471I think Ultraguy is more impressive. Dark Tide is mostly dealing with a shitton of chaffe. Stuff that would be low to midtier in Boltgun (like scab captains, beasts of nurgles, and warpspawn) are treated like ultra hard special boss encounters in Dark Tide. It's kinda like Hired Gun, where a single CSM would be far more powerful than anything in game by far, but Ultraguy kills whole squads of em.
>>88992607cultist champions aren't equivalent to scab captains in the least
>>88992607yeah I'm playing boltgun the only thing that ultraguy goes through with ease that the darktide crew might struggle with are csm and even then he doesn't want to face 4-5 of them at once without cover or a power weapon
>>88992836Wait until you're fighting greater daemons and chaos lords.
>>88992847I'm assuming it'll be rough but they are boss enemies, are they not?Definitely of a higher tier than the boss enemies than the darktide crew generally face(with maybe the exception of daemonhosts), but I think one on four ultraguy would still lose, particularly with the psyker around and vet bringing a plasma
>>88992892Yeah. You also start getting squads of aspiring champions later on as well, and these are non-boss enemies.
>>88991995yeah it spikes when you get to the mechanicum area and you have to fight a bunch of champions in tight hallways
if you roll enough 6's anything is possible
>>88991995Wait until you get the lord of change and sorcerer fights.
>>88971393>WTF does it matter to you if he's black it has zero impact on his character?Because we're fatigued. Just....just no more niggers. Please.
>>88966982Yes he should
>>88994557I was getting extremely filtered by the Sorcerer fight at the end of Chapter 2 on Hard before in a fit of frustration I just rushed the cunt down immediately and emptied all of my meltagun ammo into his face and it actually worked.
>>88964794I'm pretty sure a small contingent of Gaunt's Ghosts killed a chaos Terminator in close quarters, even going so far as to dodge a hit from his chainfist within a confined space. That was in their first book.
>>88964868You know, I never like Ollaniud Pius, at least as truth and not a legend. That being said even the old version is infinitely superior to making him one of the most special snowflakes in the setting.If you wanted go have Pius exist actually make him a human, making him more special than a primarch defeats the whole point.
>>88965441>"YO!? WERD?? THEY GOTS TRANNYCRONZ NOW?? SHEEEEEEEYYYYYTTTTTTT NIGGA?!?"
>>88989927>I think Ultraguy would be hailed as one of the greatest Imperial heroes and propagandised to fuck and back.If they're willing to screw over Titus because suspicions, no way Blue Bolty is getting a free pass.
>>88988651Are they actually recording everything he is doing? If not how would they know he did all that and wasnt just stealthing through.If yes how will they feel about him reading a book after every battle cause of the emperor needing to look up a youtube guide on those 2 secrets he couldnt find himself.
>>88964794This. Orks should though.
>>88996545Statistically, across hundreds of billions of imperials, there's going to be a few who survive the thick of one war, and then the next, and then the next, and so on. People whose lives are little more than war and being transported between wars.
>>88988651>>88988816As rule of thumb gameplay is never considered canon, only general story and cutscenes. All those marines dying left and right in DoW during gameplay aren't real, else Blood Ravens chapter would be depleted in few missions. Kyle Katarn didn't kill actually kill as many people either. Ubersreik 5 weren't casually slaughtering Chaos Warriors by the dozens while cracking jokes. Darktide rejects realistically aren't as proficient either. It's just gameplay that is separated from the story.
>>88965441Can we all agree that these children were slain by nightlords and used as armor decoration? Seriously, what the fuck was GW thinking. I know they wanna market 40k to kids but it's not the fucking 90's anymore and the franchise has gone along way since space crusade. As if trying to market the grimdarkness of the far-future to kids wasn't enough, seriously, what fucking child has the patience to play this game? I remeber my friends forcing me to play a couple games when I was young and at the time between the math, rules, and books, I felt like I was doing fucking homework.
>>88996704Children got videogames and books to read even if they dont play the tabletop wich is too expensive for children anyway. They might also turn autistic enough to actually play it once they have an incredibly high amount of income.
>>88992451There probably was and overzealous Commissars being magnets for "accidental" friendly fire is a fairly common recurring theme in Black Library books, but GW's in-house writers seem to be getting steadily more retarded as time goes by.
Why shouldnt they be able to. Its not like it changes the setting in any way. They could make a new Fire Warrior game where a water caste who never held a gun before in his life enters the eye of terror, fights of everything Khorne can throw at him and then even gets to get some potshots at Khorne, himself before somehow escaping and being back home and continuing on, dying 10 years later at the ripe old age of 30.
>>88997261>Fire Warrior game>water casteAbsolutely heretical.
>>88964794>implying>not completing entire missions with one tine marine squadREADY TO DETONATE COMMANDER
>>88964794>Not just a regular marine>A Sternguard 1st Company VeteranHe's not just some schlub tac marine.
>>88964834Did he even take on Horus? Before I heard of him supposedly being a perpetual, I had just heard that a single guardsman stood up against Horus. Facing certain doom, and he got slayed instantly. But the defiant nature of the guardsman inspired the Emperor to muster his strength to slay Horus.
>>88998470Originally it wasn't a perpetual or anything from nu40k, just a Guardsman who had been separated from the rest of the strike force and who managed to find his way to the bridge where the Emperor was fighting Horus.Made his way through madness and horror unimaginable, only to find the Emperor breaking and falling before the Arch-Traitor. What was he supposed to do, run away?He did his duty and died standing.
>>88998470>>88998639I'd call it the better story.
>>88964868>PerpetualAbnett gave me some great IG stories, but it's not balanced out by the Perpetuals shit
>>88996580It depends on the game. DooM, for instance, actually undersells how busted Doomguy is. The Ubersreik 5 are canonically as powerful as they are presented in game (enough so that they've become something of a boogieman to Skaven everywhere).
>>88964868>>88965133>All Perpetuals are alpha-plus level psykers by default. You have to be a sufficiently powerful psyker in order for your soul to be resistant to the Warp's tides enough to rebuild your body at death.I get that you're trying to shit on 40k's newer stuff, but this isn't even remotely accurate. Anon, would you mind having accurate criticism that people could discuss instead of 100% false nonsense? 40k has enough real criticisms that it really isn't necessary to lie about more
>>88998639>Originally it wasn't a perpetual or anything from nu40k, just a Guardsman who had been separated from the rest of the strike force Originally there was no guardsman at all, it was just sangunius
>>88999300>The Ubersreik 5 are canonically as powerful as they are presented in game (enough so that they've become something of a boogieman to Skaven everywhere).Now we just need to get them to stop the end of the world proper
>>88964794You doubt his love for the Emperor and hatred for the inhuman. Your faith is weak.
The plasma gun in this game is absolutely worthless, damage is worse than shotgun and frag grenade, hit box is completely ass, and self splash damage from accidental shost are huge you end up doing better not touching this shit at all lol.The only real, rare use for this weapon is that you find a long map you can take potshots of the confused enemies who has no idea what to do.Exterminatus diff btw.
>>88964868I fucking hate that shit, not going to lie. Why can't they let a normal dude have a badass moment occasionally?
>>89001502Put the machine spirit on it so you no longer take damage from overheats (along with giving you a larger power cell and faster fire rate ramp up). You'll then be able to magdump on tough enemies for massive DPS. You can knockoff like a quarter to third of the health off of a greater daemon with one cell.
>>89001523He was a normal dude if you want him to be.Ignore all the retards rambling about their fucking "canon". There is no such thing as canon in 40k. There's legends, stories and propaganda and fairytales and myth.Sure, there's some basic guidelines that ties it all together but there is no fucking "canon".And there is always infinte space to put your own ideas in there. That's the fundamental philosophy behind the setting.
So far shit seems pretty easy on hard, but I'm only a few levels in, does it ramp up? Ammo and everything is plentiful, which is nice but also not necessarily what I expect from higher difficulties.
>>89001761shit is easy even on Exterminatus because save scum.
>>89001878That's nothing new for these games, but I might have to switch if it keeps up.
>>88964794>he never played 'movie space marines' listi pity u scum
>>889996213ed rulebook have it Sang and than some termie got in the way too.
>>88964870>>88964997He is the last surviving member of his squad. Their drop pods got hit during atmospheric entry and he was the only survivor of the crash landing. The first level has the corpses of his dead squad mates right next to the crash.
>>89001761>does it ramp up?Yes, but I'd set it to Exterminatus. Ammo won't be an issue at all in the first Act. Second Act, they feed you less ammo, but still enough to get the job done, and late game power weps usually have rare ammo drops
>>88982658>no Chaos Lord boss fight that plays like a mirror match
>>89002973Might as well. If anything it's fun so far though. Level editor would be good too.
Give me a 100 space marines or failing that a thousand other troops Therefore: 1 marine = 10x menVeteran marine Lt/Cap = 30 men?How many hormogaunts = a man?
>If I'm constantly scowling and grinding my teeth then people will be too afraid to call me out.lollmao even.
>>88964794>Fuck nuhammer40k is great
>>89001584>There is no such thing as canon in 40kThat's a cop out and you know it.
>>88992451Technically yes, the Commissariat could do that. In practice the higher the rank the more politics come into play. Outside of blatant issues that can't be covered up once you start getting into regimental command level it becomes less summary execution and more court martial. For a warmaster to be executed by commissar it'd basically mean that he pissed off enough high powered people that he no longer had any clout to protect him, no allies to step in, and higher ups actively wanting him dead. At that level even the Inquisition makes sure to dot the Is and cross the Ts before making a move.
>>89003808Which makes no fuckin sense because they guy literally saved an entire sector from orks and was personally body guarded by motherfucking custodians. Meaning literally everything he does from issuing commands to battle groups to deciding when to take a piss is sanctioned by the emperor himself. If he was executed the day the custodians left, it would mean higher ups would have been wanting him dead for a long time but not from before the custodians showed up and he got promoted because nobody that important gives a fuck about some random guardsmen. So someone higher up was assmad at him for doing something while he was being bodyguarded by the custodians which is heresy of the highest order. Even thinking bad thoughts about someone personally being vouched for by a custodian is probably heresy.
>>88964794Depends on the' rules you are using? There was a set of homebrew rules years ago called 'Space Marines at the Movies' in which each Space Marine had the stats vastly increased, allowing each marine to be as tough as and with the firepower of a Landraider, just like an action movie would do (or what marines will be powercreeped to around 12th ed). It was hilarious fun, a squad of five taking on a multi thousand point ork or nid army.
Given the fact that when you start the game you are presented with a character select style screen listing your marine abilities (the charge, bullet deflection, etc) do you guys think there's a possibility of new "characters" being added for playthroughs?
>>89006038I certainly hope so, playing as a terminator would be fun (no sprint, take reduced damage, power fist instead of chainsword, maybe some different weapons.)
>>89006066That would make a few areas in the game inaccessible.
>>89006038I'd like to see characters from entirely different factions added. Like an Eldar autarch or ork nob or whatever.
>>89006038I know it's an impossible dream but a Dire Avenger Exarch would be sick.
>>89006087Maybe. Depends on the context in which they're provided and the gear they're allowed.
>>88972455Is this achievable natty?
>>88964794Op doesnt understand ludonarrative dissonance, dont take the gaming parts as canon, just have fun
>>89006038Likely, or at least new abilities. If they actually support this game, more shit like >>89006066 and >>89006133 would be grand.
>>88992422I still think this isn't just dumb, but actively makes no sense in writing. Maybe the writer was drunk.
>>89004101And then those custodes fucked off.And he was getting powerful enough to subsume some power out of some fuck.Thus he got vanned.Or w40k is grimderpy. Choose your own poison.
>>89006466Boltgun hardly suffers from ludonarrative dissonance. Both gameplay and narrative portray Space Marines as overpowered, heavybuilt combatmonsters. Are you thinking of suspension of disbelief?
>>89007082Narrative doesnt portray space marines carrying 8 weapons while going faster than 100mph and not having fall damage. The overpower levels are completely different.Meanwhile chaos space marines barely move, barely shoot and does less damage than you.
>>89007236Sounds about right for someone tainted by the ruinous powers.
>>88982658The Aspiring/Chosen Champion are pretty tanky
>>88977151>Since when did pleasing customers stop being a priority?Never since the game has gotten good reviews and seems to be doing well. But obviously those customers are wrong right?
>>88965441At least it's interesting to see what happened to the Burger King Kids Klub in the darkness of the 41st Millennium.In my headcanon, they are all alpha level psykers and perpetuals, except for Wheels, who simply replaced his broken body with the gift of the necrodermis.
>>89007236>Narrative doesnt portray space marines carrying 8 weapons while going faster than 100mph and not having fall damage.Someone's never actually read the narrative
>>89007236The 8 weapons thing is definitely gameplay, but zipping around at 100mph and not taking fall damage is loreful. We've had SMs who've survived falls from basically the exosphere. They're tough.
>>88996704>Seriously, what the fuck was GW thinking.Most interesting is that when when it comes to marketing, kids hate anything they perceive as "kid stuff."
>>88980608>>88983056I was going to autistically crunch out the stats and began to but had a self loathing moment of reflection and stopped the full sperg out. The TL;DR of tabletop performanceUltramarine Sternguard Sgt with all available Stratagems turned on at all times could mechanically work through these scenarios no problem. In addition to Master Crafted on his Chainsword from Honored Sergeant the "Special Scenario" tabletop crawl game type would need to allow the model to have built in Artificer Armor and treat the titular boltgun as a Master Crafted version of the Sternguard Special Issue Boltgun. Everything else just boils down to positioning.If you wanted to be really artistic about it you could argue the ingame Contempt system could translate to a scaling Armor of Contempt that the more Contempt you collect the larger enemy AP reduction you get with failed saving rolls being absorbed by the "Contempt" pool and reducing the total AP reduction as it falls.
>>89011712Based anon replaying all of Boltgun on tabletop
>>8900410140k is full of mundane politics. Preserving mundane, nuanced human corruption is one of the setting's points. So is the mountains are tall and the emperor is far away saying.It probably went something like this:"Oh now the pampered palace guards have finally fucked off and admitted their pet autist is useless we can turn this campaign around. Put a bolt in the unstable idiot's head and it's promotions for all."
>>89011712this got me thinking, can the actual wargame be used as an RPG? every player picks a model and the GM throws orks/cultists/CSM etc at them. Could this work?>hurr play the FFG RPGsNo. I don't like them. waaay too crunchy. Imperium Maledictum has a lot of potential (its basically WFRP in space, which is faster while maintaining a lot of granularity and detail) but it doesnt have marine PCs yet.
>>89011520Counterpoint: the LORE is massively retarded
>>89014267The lore explicitly described (at least, used to describe) itself as non-canonical in-universe accounts. If you don't like movie mareens, no problem - that was an Imperial propaganda book for credulous mid-hivers and marines in your game are roided up, brainwashed shock troops who can lift heavy but aren't fundamentally more skilled than a Guardsman with a lasgun and RPG.
>>89014317Unfortunately faggots buy into shit and insist Marines are capeshit superheroes (and not the Captain America/Batman type).>DOOOOD!! they can run 100mph!>DOOOOD!!!
>>89007236>it's ludonarrative dissonance for people to be better than other people
>>89014371It's just as autistic as the people who go >NOOOOO THEY CAN'T RUN 100MPH>NOOO MY HECKIN REALISM IN CARTOONY SPACE GAME
>>89007236>Narrative doesnt portray space marines carrying 8 weapons while going faster than 100mph and not having fall damage. It does, actually. The wargame's mechanics aren't the narrative.
>>89014506It's not as bad, because the internal consistency of the setting falls apart with "It'S fAnTaSy! That means anything goes!"
>>89014215Think about probabilities.
>>89014215>but it doesnt have marine PCs yet.And good luck waiting out that one.
>>88965835Contempt is pretty funny mechanic (It's your armor score, so you're literally ignoring attacks based on your contempt for the enemy) but the game's dogshit.
>>88965835>>89014797It's fun for a while, and that while may be longer or shorter depending on how you feel about the combat and weapons, and how forgiving you are about the map style with no actual map you can refer to.
>>89014600Space marines being able to top out at 100 mph and having no fall damage doesn't destroy the internal consistency of the setting.
>>88965835Yep, it's solid. The Strength / Toughness thing is kinda pointless, but the game itself is a solid boomer shooter if you like boomer shooters. Do wish we had more than LoC as the end bosses, but then boss fights have never really been the strength of most boomer shooters.
>>88965835If you look boomer shooters you'll like it, it won't surprise you or blow your mind but it'll be fun.Whether or not that kind of thing is worth 20 bucks is up to you.
>>89015262I'm expecting DLC to be a thing.
>>89015306Oh, definitely. And at $20 for the game? Honestly, I'm down.
>>89015217It does, and anyone who prefers capeshit 40k is a gaywad.
>>89015524Based. Fuck capeshit.
>>89015538It's made for physically pathetic, emotionally stunted dorks who need vicarious thrills reading about supermen. They have no legitimate response to this; it perfectly describes them and their preferences, which is why they seethe so hard when you ridicule their faggotry.
>>88987730No, because they know they can jack up the price if they do
>>89015586>physically pathetic, emotionally stunted dorksSo... 40k players?
>>88965835I‘ve really enjoyed it personally, only thing I dislike is absolutely no map. If you like boomer shooters then definitely get it, really does feel like Serious Sam or Doom Original.
>>88964794maybe he just has really good aim
>>88964794We don't play as the marine, we play as the Emperor guiding and repeatedly rewinding time to save this dude's life.
>>89015306Hope we get a map editor at some point. But the guys above with the idea for more characters with different abilities have the right idea too. Hell given how many times Fire Warrior got posted adding that guy as playable for shits and giggles could be fun.
>>89017221Game is more similar to Hexen/Heretic than doom, so make sense if the sequel we get to play as more characters.
>>88964794*the Iron Snakes would like to know your location*
>>89017271Thanks for reminding me to play Hexen again.>sequelCould just be adding episodes to this one.But frankly who knows, these kinda GW games have a habit of being one offs with only a few exceptions.
It's a videogame who cares
>>89016027>Yes my marine read READ!>now point at nothing in particular declaring them heretics>now kiss this wall>The fall of chaos will soon be at hand
>>89022943kek. Checks out.
I'm pretty new to 40k, having only played a handful of the games but the setting interests me as well as the designs. How is the gunfag autism in warhammer 40k? I love fictional guns and odd wildcat cartridges.The mechanicus is what interests me since they seem to be the tinkerer type. Ideally there'd be a chapter of space marines that would work in close tandem with an adeptus group of gun nut tinkerers. Essentially I'd want a group to do the same thing me and my buds do. I have a buddy that rechambers old sporterized milsurp into pistol cartridges. I myself design my own special snowflake bullet molds and test out odd bullet designs that I myself cast out of said molds just for the fuck of it. I also form my own brass for the wildcat cartridges I use like forming .256 win mag out of .357 brass and such. It would be neat to have a chapter of space marines that sort of tell a mechanicus chapter what niche function they'd want to a unit of theirs to perform and then contract said mechanicus chapter to conjure up a specified weapon for the role. If it doesn't exist I could always homebrew of course but I know little of the setting and how all these different things work. Like I don't know if there are church rules the mechanicus have that don't allow them to tinker or such.
>>89023081Closest I know is the Iron Hands
>>89023081Turn back before it is too late.
>>89023104That seems to be the one I'm probably going to go with then as thats the 2nd recommendation I've gotten for the iron hands chapter. I'll read up on them and see how they play.>>89023117realistically, judging by the info in the /wip/ thread. I'm gonna be stuck on painting for a while before I ever even touch the actual game. I also need to find some models for my resin printer.
>>88975178>there's no way mario should be able to eat that many mushrooms without throwing up! I'm going to get upset on the internet about the lore accuracy of this video gameI would tell you to play in traffic, but you'd actually have to leave your house to do that.
>>89023231You are doing this backwards, play the game first to see if you enjoy it and then make models.Unless you just want "dioramas" or to make minis, in which case go ahead I suppose.
>>89023849gotcha, that sounds like a much better idea actually.