Familiar Edition.>Previous Thread>>88943933>Newshttps://theonyxpath.com/category/news/>This week's Monday Meeting Noteshttps://theonyxpath.com/may-be-might-monday-meeting-notes/>Pastebinhttps://pastebin.com/WiCHizn0>Mediafirehttp://mediafire.com/folder/s9esc6u7ke8k5/CofD>Megahttps://mega.nz/folder/ePQ1BKhJ#RCosRCh59Ki2Mpb1M9H3Uw>General Creation Kithttps://mega.nz/#F!FWJgBTbb!f7d5rARWHYzuI8-8aI-Bxw>White Wolf Wiki:https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Main_Page>Thread QuestionsHow often do you use animals in your games?
Two dozen ghouled stray cats can fuck things up like you wouldn't believe. And it's not even Masquerade breach!
First of all, here's the Ghost Council preview. They're the tribe replacing the Uktena.
>>88963864Isn't that from CoD?
Second of all, Paradox is in hot water again because their artist traced a real person again, this time a member of a Germanic folk music band heavily inspired by ancient Germanic culture.
>>88963903i'm speechless, they're going to fire his ass after this one, right?
>>88963820>How often do you use animals in your games?As a aplayer I haven't used any yet, but if our V20 DA campaign happens Ill be going as a Gangrel knight with ghouled horse, hound and hawk
>>88963884>Can't have Get of Fenris, they have nothing to separate them from any Ahroun>Uktena is now just generic Theurge but tribe
>>88963918lol, no chance, this is Paradox we are talking about
>>88963969ah right, so he's going to "leave" entirely out of his own volition to start a new career at [Another Place]just like with Achilli
>>88963884>Gaia is a metaphor
>>88963889Cod still has a masquerade vamps try to uphold. Awoos as well, although a surprising number of splats just don't bother to go to the same lengths as them (or even have a masquerade at all)
>>88964127Bro what the fuck are you talking about?that's not pertinent at all to what i was asking, i was talking about the ghouled cats
>>88963903Pardox excellence strikes again
>>88964175I may or may not have read your post and mixed it with a different post from another discussion i had in another tab.
>>88963903Lol. Lmao.Kek, even.
>>88964395ok that would explain things, cus for a moment i was legit scared that a bot replied to me
>>88963884They even somehow made their totem less flavorful.>>88963903Almost like World of Darkness art and books used to reference the real world and the new company hasn't really been communicating that that's not allowed ever again because they're still trying to pretend otherwise.
>>88963965The explanations were all obvious lies to start. The shills just keep denying reality and making up new reasons for corporations to do things to boot lick for some reason.
>>88964590the old art certainly "stole" from some pop culture concepts, but i don't think that the artists of yore outright traced IRL people, like the current chuklefuck is doing
>Changelings during the troyan war, using the Dark Eras 2 setting alteration where Gentry only go after you during 1 week a year, but ironworking has yet to be inventedSince all my players/playgroup posts and lurk here, what do you expect and/or would want from the troyan war?
>>88964612Well yeah, the old books were also doing essentially horror comic book art. Not shitty photo manipulations, the near exclusive style of 5th edition and sadly much of 20th.
>>88963820You just know.
>>88963903Not a trace.
>>88963884Every time one of these previews show up I am more glad that Get of Fenrir isn't included. They didn't deserve this treatment Rip and Tear until it is done my woofs.
>>88964802yes we all know it's called photobashing shut up you autistic retard
>>88963903Audibly laughed out loud at this one. This is cartoonishly stupid. what was the last one? A maori activist?
>>88963903No discussion.Only silence.
>>88965168that place is a cult
>>88965192Seems very reasonable to me. A known issue getting talked about ad nauseum doesn't actually do much good. It's basically like bait posting here. Every turns into the same conversation and the thread is pointless. The game will be shit, Paradox is shit, but that instance of moderation is reasonable.
>>88963979Wait, is Achilli out? I've been ignoring the W5 stuff because it just makes me angry
>>88965255anon they're literally trying to silence people discussing issues to protect abuse and so that they can cover up and dominate The narrative
>>88965276Yeah, after he said something overtly racist lol
>>88965276Yeah, he """left"""" just right after said that, and i quote: "Fianna is just a word"
>>88965255listen pal, i was in that discord for a while and trust me on this, there's something wrong with most ppl there. it's like they consider the word of their corporate overlords gospel and if you say something that goes against that then you're not just wrong, but probably saying it to be mean.i guarantee you, that the discussion lasted less then a minute and ended the second the mods realized what they were talking about, because criticizing WoD5 is harassing the devs and they will not tolerate such toxicity.
Was there was some kind of cyberpunk/futuristic splat for wod? I vaguely remember something like that but I'm not sure if it was actually wod or if it was for the cyberpunk rpg or I'm just imagining the whole deal
>>88965255yeah what, >>88965360 said, i also hung around that place for a while, i fucking hated it in there
There is a reason why I recommend all people Classic World of Darkness discord over the official one. The official discord suuucks.
>>88965369White Wolf Magazine #36 has a Cyberpunk WoD scenario.
>>88965286>>88965360>>88965381Are you guys old enough to be posting? Have you not learned about capital letter in school yet?
>>88965593google sure hasn't
>>88965593>Have you not learned about capital letter in school yet?Capital letters*>>88965381There is this weird defensive mentality they built up. Lots of fanbases are like that, but it's a lot more disturbing when devs and employees are there for you to directly worship.
>>88965593>samefagging with a unique posting stylekek
>>88965593post doesn't start with a capital = desktop chadpost starts with a capital = phonefag election tourist
>>88963889Amaranthine cats are from the last night horror book they made for VtR. And they're like the equivalent of Revenant animals like hellhounds in Vtm. A few cats somehow ate an elder in torpor, and now they are very powerful vampire hunting stray cats that breed and spread.
>>88965748And they're cuuuuute
>>88965168What a fucking joke
>>88964612Nigga the old artists literally traced Dante from the Devil May Cry 3 cover for a Hunter book.
Tell me about your mental issues of being forced living an exclusively nocturnal existance. How much that affects your character well being?
>>88966227They're all old now anon.They should bring back Lief Jones honestly
>>88966231Less hours to do stuff and to interact with non-vampire people. He needs to do a tight schedule if he wants to interact with their favourite human NPCs or else he misses the oportunity. Sometimes feeding takes longer than he expects.He's currently trying to rehab a ghoul from anarch movement. He's using his Status on his Clan (Malkavian) to order some neophytes around to help him while he can do his nightly personal agenda. Things can get real out of control if he doesn't do this. But when he does everything accordly, sometimes he gets free time at late late hours, which he uses to read books and try to be up-to-date with new tech and romances (he thinsk those supernatural young adults books are funny).
>>88965768Holy shit I want to pet those unholy abominations and give them belly rubs
>>88963820>How often do you use animals in your games?A lot. I actually created 2 devotions for my games that can be learned by anyone with animalism:The first need animalism and dominate/Auspex. Basically the vampire emotions attract animals that will go to the vampire or will meet the vampire where he is, without him having to call or even be conscious. If he vampire does not give a command or is unable to do so they will do their best to protect the vampire which will usually result in someone getting hurt. The second power is a obtenebration/animalism that creates animals made of shadows. They usually take the form of a pack of hellhounds but they can be anything. Both are usually used by npcs and in some games I have players purchase them instead of some high level powers (like getting this instead of possessing beasts.)
Joined a Chicago by Night game. First time doing VTM as a player.>Basic premise is the Chicago Camarilla lost a lot of new blood in what amounts to a terrorist attack by Anarchs>The Prince told his Primogen council to make Childer, now.>Didn't have time to be choosy>Brujah chose a college girl with a habit of throwing chairs>Ventrue called in a favor, turned a girl from a ghoul family>Banu Haqim turned a forensic accountant for the FBI>And then there's Kyle>Pic related>Kyle is a horror and occult podcaster>Got a tip for some haunted house that no one supposedly lived in>It was the local Tremere Chantry>Somehow manages to break in>Gets past the magic traps>Gets embraced>Immediately think he's been kidnapped by the Illuminati/NWO>The Prince and their Sires come in to explain things>Learn he's a Tremere>Learns what a Tremere is>"So I'm in Vampire Hogwarts?">Starts to refer to the coterie as 'The Fang Gang'>Is the only one who refers to them as that>Somehow manages to butter up the Prince by saying he's got a classy taste in suits.>The new Ventrue kindred tries to explain Dominate to him>He says "Your superpower is you can gaslight people?">She tries to give him a demonstration>Asks him to give her his shoe>This absolute retard of a Tremere rolls so well he doesn't even feel a tug>Kyle asks her if she has a foot fetish or something.I think I found a new way to play Tremere: by being a lucky dumbass.
>>88966755The best way to play Tremere its to never allow them at your table.
>>88966755I hate people making Harry Potter references.
>>88963903The Uktena finally gave in to big white cock????
>>88966964>UktenaThere's no such thing in modern WoD
>>88967147Yup, all the native werewolves were finally genocided successfully.
>>88966755Oh yeah.The comic relief character.
>>88966921Depending on the reference it is also stupid. World of Darkness canonically has Harry Potter.See image.
>>88965748I already have garlic and holy symbols up to ward off the neighborhood cats.
>New Marathon game announced>It's a PvP game with extraction mechanicsFUCK THIS SHITI'm gonna play an Iteration-X Cyborg and fucking Ascend in the next fucking campaign i'm playing
>>88966755Nothing personal, but your character is garbage. I hate retarded characters and I hate characters whose personality is centered around pop culture, it's cheap and it feels like those AA games trying to reference their way out of making an interesting character/setting/game. You're just a tier above a fishmalk. Congratulations for managing to play, but you seem obnoxious. He better have some serious redeeming moment soon, either that or I hope the Brujah takes things seriously and Potences your ass when you try your antics.
>>88966755don't listen to the rest of these joyless husks, you're doing the work of the gods
>>88967603>anon comes to the thread with a textbook reddit character who even reads like a bait/parody>''you're doing the work of the gods''You're either samefagging or just plain dumb. I fully expected him to mention a Rick & Morty reference in-character.
>>88967655Preface: I am not that anonNow, a sword is never a killer, a comedic character will be bad if played bad, or it will be good if played goodand the archetype of the bumbling, idiot out of hid depths who's brain has been rotten by pop-culture and who's has been cursed and blessed with the dark powers fits the world of darkness like a gloveit's also a character ripe from drama, look as the high-humanity wisecracking bafoon, who toys with the sorceries gifted to him by his clan slowly becomes less and less sure of what is real and what is not, watch grow more quiet and reserved, his hubris broken and his old world in tatters, will he sink? or will he swim?
>>88967770>ripe from drama*ripe for drama
>>88967770I'm >>88967583 and I entirely agree. But I don't get the feeling from his post that he'll interpret a character who will awakening as a monster. It just looks like he'll play the bambling pop culture idiot with a few eventual scenes about Frenzy.
>>88967770>a comedic character will be bad if played bad, or it will be good if played goodYou ain't wrong on that, anon. In my MtAw2e campaign the "comic relief and chaotic" character has become a burden for me. While other players are enjoying our friend roleplaying this character, I'm getting quite tired of this. The game is good and has been for almost 2yrs. We completed 2/3 of main story and we currently are in-between arcs sessions. But I'm the only one who isn't enjoying this character anymore. Probably I'm just going to skip next cabal's adventure and focus on personal issues my character is going through (such as not trusting anymore this character because he broke promises and how destructive and vindictive he his. He also is slowly lose contacting with part of the cabal who just gloss over all his attitudes)If after this personal lonely arc I still feel it isn't worthy playing the game, I'm just leaving.
>>88967875Relatable. I've banned a player from my tables just because he couldn't not play a retard. First I banned him from playing a Malkavian after he literally hugged a tree and tried talking to it, then I just banned him after seeing he fucked over himself and others out of sheer fucking dumbness while boasting about how chaotic and funny he was.
>>88965369NWoD has Mirrors: Bleeding Edge.
Anybody got eyes on Tome of the Pentacle? Any good?
>>88968083Liking it so far, really gives the setting more meat with a full timeline of the Pentacle's history and how it's around the world in modern days. The realms of the Orders in the Astral realm were also cool.
>>88968038>he fucked over himself and others out of sheer fucking dumbness while boasting about how chaotic and funny he was.Yeah it's basicaly this what he does. He tries to have a compeling personal arc, but it's just a weapon for him to do more chaotic and destructive shit. Past session he went to Wisdom 7 to 2 because of shit he had done against a powerful Mage and his reaction was "Eh now my character don't need to pretend be good anymore". So yeah. What are the consequences? None.
>>88968107Don't suppose you'd be willing to share a copy?
>>88968203I would put it on the Mega, if I had any idea how.
>>88968193That seems like fucking retarded. What does the ST think? You ever talked with him about it?
>>88968225Just go on pdf share thread and read OP pdf.
>>88968038Talking to a tree doesn't sound too bad. (Especially since they have spirits) But the second definitely deserves some stern talking
>>88968300His character had nothing to do with Spirits, forests, trees or even plants. He just randomly hug one during a tense situation and asked me what does the tree says to him.
>>88968083Nope Timori still ruined.
>>88963820Threadly well-wishes to France by Nightanon, assuming he's still alive! Hope the translation is going well.
>>88964590>books used to reference the real worldOne of the stand-out blurbs at the start of every edition of WtA is that they have nothing to do with real-world culture, which was also to explain why they're nothing like actual werewolf folklore.
>>88968965>they're nothing like actual werewolf folkloreAnd le spirit border patrol is?
>>88963820I use animals often in games. Sometimes I just mention the presence of animals as either ominous warnings or red herrings. As a player I only really use them when I have animalism. One game my tremere diablerized a ravnos and aquired animalism so I got an all black german shepherd that I named Auschwitz. It was fun walking around the ghetto with gangbangers calling me a nazi bitch while Id deny it but then call out to my familiar.
>>88968965anon don't they literally aren't even allowed to mention it taking place somewhere that exists these days.
>>88969022Actual werewolf folklore is trash. Just play dnd if you want to be some sort of fag hero that loses control every month.
>>88963820>How often do you use animals in your games?I made a homebrew entitlement for Hedge Beast companions.I try to encourage as many random animals and shit as possible.
>>88968060Also, Demon is a very cyber-esque game, being directly lifted from The Matrix.Deviant also has a lot of themes going that way, being the most *punk game with a White Wolf logo since the original VtM. The only reason I hesitate to call it cyberpunk is that the broad array of powers allows for so much more than just cybernetics.
>>88968083It is literally the best MtAw book released.Too bad it's the final one.>>88969292Actual werewolf lore is kind of badass. Shapeshifting serial killers who've gotten power from satan? Yes please.
>>88969292Actual werewolf lore is far more varied than that.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werewolves_of_Ossory
>>88969870I'm well aware of the extensive history of weird fairy faggotry in Ireland. Booze really doesn't explain it all.
>>88969861> Too bad it's the final one.Dave said he and other writes are willing to make the Fallen World book for SV if Paradox won't.
>>88970567Yeah, but they still won't be official books, which sucks.Especially considering the shit they killed CofD for.The CofD/WoD20 coexistence was a good time.CofD gone and WoD5 is NOT a good time.
>>88970614> Yeah, but they still won't be official books, which sucks.Better CofD to die than follow on WoD5 footsteps like Ascension probably will with M5.I prefer having unofficial stuff on SV made by the actual writers of the game I like than whatever the hell W5 fans are having right now.
Which is the Clan for lolicons?
>>88969292>Just play dndWtA is more DnD than any other WoD splat, and not be a small margin.
>>88969292>WW lore.Zeus, Satan, being an unmarried veteran of War, cursed by a Witch, or you perform heroic/forbidden shamanistic rites to gain the aspects of a wolf that allow for inhuman feats of violence.>WoD WW loreYou're a DnD druid with superhero powers because the world is dying to comically evil global warming agendas fueled by corrupt gods that no other splat knows or cares about.
Can the Tremere just, like, ummm, fuck off?
>>88971747No, because that means NuWhite Wolf are adding more lore.
>>88971283it's ventrue and only a ventrue would say otherwise
>>88971747Hey, new lore for CofD!Tremere just dropped if you want Tremeres who don't have to fuck off.
>>88971747Am I the only person in this thread that hasn't had any bad experiences with Tremere?
>>88971852I'm a fan of the Tremere, so I assume I'm the kind of person who causes bad experiences with Tremere.
>>88971283Such men of culture can only be found in Clan Toreador.
>>88970641You mean a bunch of irrelevant STV books that 3 people jerk off around to cope with the fact their gameline died even though no ST will allow STV fanbrew?
>>88971581>fueled by corrupt gods that no other splat knows or cares aboutArguably, only the Wraith has no idea since the Triat has little no influence in the Underworld including the Wyrm. But I can find examples from Vampire to Mummy to Mage that heavily involves the Wyrm.
>>88971932And yet none of them give a shit.
Why do so many (or a few very vocal) owodfans gloat over cofd not getting books when their gamelines are just as dead, as 5e is another hard reset?I don't get it.
>>88972014Mage alone is getting more books than all of CofD combined kek. Why are CofDtroons so delusional?
Isint there a thamaturgy path revolved around hand to hand combat? I remember reading something about it once and wanted to use it with my current tremere
>>88963820Is there much of a learning curve to picking up Mage the Awakening 2e if you're coming from an extensive 1e background?
>>88972014Because they lost their shit when CofD was announced and was set to replace their setting entirely. Now that v5 is doing it, and being fairly successful, they're just throwing a tantrum all over again.
>>88972014More soldiers to hate Paradox.
>>88972017You mean the kickstarter ones?Because there is nothing in first/second draft, redlines, editing, etc.After the ones in art direction that's it.There are no books afterwards.
>>88971336Actually yeah, the Fagin cults aren't secret. Any Nosferatu could have died young and you'd only know they were short.
>>88971852I haven't yet, but I'm new. Still playing my first character. The one Tremere my character met was pretty chill though
>>88972203>There are no books afterwards.
>>88972203NTA but you're wrong. Mage is still accepting new pitches. Lore of the Traditions was a fucking pipe dream proposition two years ago. And we're still getting even more now. Paradox isn't planning on doing Mage for a while.
>>88972301Yeah, no shit. 20th was an anniversary thing, a kickstarter cashgrab. A rehash/remix of old books done fast and cheap.An elaborate marketing tool to gauge interest in how well mage5 can gouge whales.They want to get rid of the long time fans. They realy try their hardest since nwod1e and everyone pretends daddy WW still loves them...
>>88972348>Mage is still accepting new pitchesSource? Paradox isn't touching anything not 5e related. They're not going to approve shit.
>>88972462>>88972462Lore of the Traditions. Faces of MagickSorcererForgotten OrdersAll new pitches approved by Paradox within the last two years.
>>88972497I don't see any evidence that they're still accepting pitches, just some kickstarters that aren't finished yet.
>>88972543None of those were kickstarter projects. Lore of the Traditions pitch was denied four years ago, but got repitched and approved two years ago. Meanwhile CofD is quite literally only still 'alive' because they drag their feet on kickstarter projects. shrug.
>>88972593Lore of the Traditions was literally a Kickstarter, Faces of Magick was a stretch goal for it, as was Forgotten Orders. The fuck are you talking about?
>>88972603nta but look at the date lore of the traditions was ks'd.
Oh yeah, we got a preview for the Hedge:https://theonyxpath.com/the-hedge-preview/Finaly they aknowledge the inherent desire of their players to straight up buy cocaine directly from established drug trading npcs and to fuck with time and timelines.Also more abuseable tilts for cursing and hexing. ^^theonyxpath.com/the-hedge-preview/I am happy with it :3Even if someones vore fetish came through yet again... they should kinkshame more.
>>88972629Yeah, about a year and a half ago. Which means the pitch was approved well well in advance. There hasn't been a new approval since so where is the evidence that they are currently still accepting pitches?
>>88972497>Lore of the TraditionsThis is for Ascension, right?
>>88972645CtL players make it all sound so fucking cringe
>>88972702>spends 1 glamour, curses youMay the next door you take lead you directly to the Belly of the BeastUwU, nothin' personell, kid
>>88972721Unironically less cringe than when they talk seriously about it,.
Changeling the Lost players are all permavirgins using a shitty system. Deviant does everything CtL tries to do but better.
>>88972745>Deviant does everything CtL tries to do but better.As the resident DtR simp, this is not true. Stop being retarded to bait flamewars.
>>88972749Maybe if Lostfags stop acting like literal faggots who are allergic to pussy. Like that'll ever happen.
>>88972762Pretty much. Deviant is just a sub par Mutants and Masterminds with a convoluted system for getting boring bluebook merits. Saw what you want about CtL but it has an actual coherent world that isn't just "do what you feel man" with forced as fuck x y and z splats.
>>88972773OnOU seem upsetti. Cheer up fwiend~o. Ewwewything will be awwight~~~The world is made in an adorable way , be happi an hawe fun with ur fwends =w=<3
Percentage of Lost posters who are actually loyalists?
How do you actually play Changeling the Lost? As far as I can tell, it's just about femboys with horns and/or pointy ears having sex. What's the actual gameplay? Do you actually do anything in it or is it just an ERP setting?
Set's not actually a bad guy.
>Faggot Europeans are awake>Lost suddenly being posted aboutNo wonder.
>>88972787NTA but which game were you reading?
>>88972821Surprisingly low. As someone who has all 1e books in original print, i only encountered 2 genuine gentry apologists since 1e core dropped. But none since Equinox Roads. There is one anon here though who likes the idea of humans voluntarily becoming changelings through death bed recruitment as detailed in kith&kin.
>>88972833i think that one of the most underused things in the world of darkness is the friendship between Set, Malkav and Saulot
>>88972867Is this friendship reflected in their respective Clans?
>>88972831I think the best way to play it is it should be comfy with the low sense of dread underlining everything. The worst part of your life is over and it's about you picking up the pieces in a strange new world. The first story arc in my game was helping to save a play two mortals were doing and then trying to invite all the local Changelings to it. Saying it like doesn't do justice to all the minor social politicking, character development and other applications of Changeling powers for what is a minor task at the end of the day. It made the pay off, where half the cities Changelings turned up and enjoyed the spectacle, all the more satisfying when a True Fae randomly comes up to the mortal performers after its done to congratulate them while every Changeling in the room shits their pants.You can do big epics with it too, like a pilgrimage to satisfy a Court Patron or winning the heart of a Goblin Queen or having to deal with a group of dreary old men who are hunting fairies. Some of the mechanics in it aren't as interesting as I'd like for conducting stories, such as oneiromancy / hedgespinning / a lot of pledgecraft, but even among those systems there's room to do really cool stories. I always interpret Lost as being fairly small and human in its stories, with politicking having a more 'positive' outlook than what you might find in Vampire.
>>88972847We in da houseEating cheeseSmoking cock
>>88972882As far as i know, nopein ye olde times, the Salubri Crusades where waged against Baali, Tzimisce and also SetitesThe Setites only care about you if you're worshiping snake dad, if not then you're a tentaive ally at bestand the malkavians are the malkavians
>>88972831Ignore this guy >>88972883Yes, they do that stuff. But it's all just derivative of the real reason they play. The femboy ERP is 100% the priority for them. If it wasn't, well, there would be no Lostfags. At least, there would be no Lostfags here.
>>88972831>How do you actually play Changeling the Lost? First the ST establishes the tone he goes for, as with any game, but it's very similiar to zombie apoxalypse/siege games as you literally are surrounded by your enemies and even your political enemies will come to your aid when shit hits the fan. Most of the time is often spend on favor trading to build up your alliances and powerbase.>As far as I can tell, it's just about femboys with horns and/or pointy ears having sex. What's the actual gameplay?Gameplay varies, but the focus clearly is on preparing for battle, scouting the Hedge and battling the influence of the Gentry. Sounds dumb, but even stuff like forming a society like the anti-gentryfication-league that pushes for turning known Gentry hunting grounds and favoted Hedgegates into flat parking lots is a noble goal. Or helping Bridge Burners focus their (justified) genocidal energies into less self-destructive ways, hunting slave hunters, hunting for slaves, freeing slaves from slavery, selling slaves into slavery, etc.. CtL is pretty varied in what you do, as the nature of your powers quickly turns every problem into a dark comedy that is just good fun to solve.>Do you actually do anything in it or is it just an ERP setting?Sadly the horny leaves once you actualy sit down and play. Sex becomes just another bargaining chip in your toolbox of tricks, especialy with mortals. Even Spring courtiers who start as nymphomanics quickly turn into pencil pushing administrators, organisators, healers and control freaks.I once tried an ERP, yes, but it quickly stopped being ERP and became a normal game because domestic terrorism was more fun.
>>88972831I missed this pasta.
>>88972867>The Dick, the Madman, and the SaintSounds like an awesome group of friends.
>>88972909I honestly am surprised Lost has a reputation of femboy ERP, is it really just because of Hedgefag?
>>88972929All it takes is one vocal fan to taint the reputation of a splat.
>>88972937yepsee deviant, lost, dreaming and requiem.
>>88972929Yesn't. Before that it was memed as the PTSD rape elf simulator RPG. I don't know if Hedgefag improved or ruined it's reputation in the General.He certainly spawned those awful monster boy threads that semi-regularly get posted on tg and hit the post and image limit in like 6 hours every time, so i guess he's not the only one.It certainly didn't hrlp that he posted timestamped pictures of himself.
>>88972953>the PTSD rape elf simulator RPGNot sure if that counts as being "memed", because that is exactly what CtL is.
>>88972883Changeling is brighter than the other games because no one wants to play "I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream" even if it is the best splat to do this shit.>>88972909Lol.
>>88972882>Is this friendship reflected in their respective Clans?no, the seties going by their revised clan book are in the know about saulot being the daddy of the baali and consider him thus completely mad and schizophrenic (calling him a broken soul and a mad god so it's less that they hate him it's more that they think he was too far gone) they also had no problems selling out the salubri who refused to join their cults to the tremeremeanwhile the malkavian to setite relationship is like most things related to the malkavian a mixed bag the pov malkvaians in some books swear that set was madder than malkav and in other books they say that faith and madness is the same thing and the setites are the closest to them
>>88972963Either that or "I can't believe it's not mage".
>>88972745But can i buy magical cocaine from princesses on motorcycles in a weird liminal dimension while shooting torpedos inside a giant pelican who ate my u-boat in deviant?Keep in mind, that the u-boat needs to have a door that directly links into my apartment in my castle in the sky that hovers over said princesses market place.
>>88972994Yes. All you need are some merits.
>>88972946Has deviant rep gone to shit over the last two days? Why?
>>88973020Same reason as ever, bait.
>>88972994>lol im so random XD so that mean it koolFuck's sake. And yes, you can retard.
>>88973020>last two daysmore like last year, mostly because of >>88972749 .
>>88972988>Either that or "I can't believe it's not mage".Elaborate pls.I never cared about CtL, but the distilled autism currently on display is funny enough.
>>88973027Nigger, that's just stuff from the fucking preview. It literally isn't random
While we are talking about changeling, what's the worst thing you have seen with it? I know it has the potential to be incredibly fucked up but so far it has been been very tame in the horror aspect of it.I don't know I'm just surprised at how rare dicking over mortals any harder than giving them magic depression is in my group.
>>88972946Yep, CofD splats have the most obnoxious fans.
>>88973054Doesn't matter if its official or not, that whole scenario is inherently "lol quirky random".
>>88973020The simp who tries to push it as much as possible despite the fact that almost no one else has any interest in the game. I know for a fact that I am negatively predisposed towards that game due to my overexposure to that anon's gushing.>>88973042Changeling the Lost has a peculiar power level, due to the fact that a lot of the abilities in both editions are intentionally written in a way that encourages being a rules lawyer who carefully words everything and manipulates semantics. A very precisely and cleverly worded pledge could potentially derail an entire chronicle.
>>88973077It kind of reminds of Pact, a web novel written by the guy made Worm, the edgy grimdark superhero web novel
>>88973042It's that you can do pretty much anything with the pledge and hedge spinning bullshit if you know the system. Hell with the Kith and Kin book you can hedge spin in the real world, time travel and curse people better than most mages.It is just an odd game with an odder playerbase.
>>88973088What's wrong with Worm?
>>88973090Hedgespinning's feat chart has always been a crapshoot really, one that also relies too heavily on teamwork rules to get those successes. I hope The Hedge changes up the chart to make it more appealing to use without making "Do Impossible Thing" the be all end all of a bunch of bullshit.
>>88963903Not really a problem. The only reason the Glass Walker one was, was the because the Maori guy whose likeness was used was known to sue. Unless this band also sues over their likeness being used. Either way, W5's art direction is fucking ass.
>>88972946And that broken fansplat people are autistically attached to despite the rules being absolute garbage.
>>88973058Holla brazilanonThe fucked up shit ranges from doing a full freddy krüger (nightmare on elm street) to selling mortals to save your own skin from the Gentry.Casual cannibalism (not the vore kind, but straight up buying human flesh from goblin butchers on the markets is also not rare, as is fucking over normies with pledges and oaths. the latter was worse in 1e, but still.Another big point is the fallout changeling PCs cause just by their pc behavior. Hedgegates don't disappear at the end of tge scene they just go dormant, easily exploited by goblins, gentry and the Hedge itself (as it is a very predatory dimension).If your ST doesn't elaborate on these it's his fault, but it's not uncommon to encounter shit like active goblin genocide, hedge wars, Hedge Beasts sneaking into the mundane world for a quick snack, etc.
>>88973077>Lostfags are the rule lawywrs and powergamers all ruled into oneAs if there weren't more reasons to hate them.
>>88973099You would be surprised just how broken Hedgespinning becomes once you factor in shit like equipment modifiers, merits and the inherent bullshit that is 8/9 again and fucking rote action. Prof. Training. is a must have in my eyes, for any splat realy
>>88973099Yeah and given how many dice bonus you can have with changeling the only reason people don't just spam that shit is that most of them don't know enough about the rules to do so smoothly.That and a few contracts can already do what you would want to use hedge spinning for.
>>88973033Cry more about it.
>>88973097theres nothing wrong with Worm. I was just describing it, because frankly it is edgy and grimdark. Nothing wrong with that
>>88973077You know I don't really talk about games unprompted here, right? If I end up posting about something at length it's always because of a question of some description. If no one else cares it'd never come up because no one would ask questions. I'm not going to story time.
>>88973119Fair enough on the horror points, I just don't have anything to add but have a (You).
>>88973129I gave up trying to ST it when one of my players insisted on turning every session into a battle of wits between me and him, in which I had to constantly pore over every pledge he came up with because if I didn't, he would use them to gain an unfair advantage and be terribly smug about it.
>>88973119there should definitely be more horror and weirdness. It should end up looking like Awful Hospital
>>88973141Fair enough.>>88973156Story times rarely get any traction so I understand why people rarely bother with them. I did a few a couple months ago and it felt like I was talking to the walls.
>>88973119>Holla brazilanonWhat have it away?
>>88973185Me personally I would enjoy storytimes.
>>88973185This general is notoriously shit for responding to story times and it creates a bitter atmosphere where people complain about no responding to storytimes while also not responding to storytimes. Other threads are way better about responding because they actually give a fuck about people playing games than jerking off their splat.
>>88973172That's a big reason I put Mage, a game I don't really like, over CtL. Outside of the setting stuff Mage has a lot more structure for what player's can actually do. An ST can write down a few things and have a good grasp on a PCs capabilities. CtL requires you to double process every interaction. >>88973185Story timing can be a good way to spark conversation if you have a point to talk about in specific. Just talking about your game isn't super interesting for most people because, well, it's not the reader's game.>Set up>Problem/Observation>How fix?/What think?Can work well. Otherwise it's not going to be a great source of engagement unless it's a really good story.
>>88973193Your sentence structure Also i live in your walls. And buy milk, the fridge is empty
>>88973206>Just talking about your game isn't super interesting for most people becauseAs >>88973204 says, this is almost entirely unique to this general. It has more to do with the fact that peoples tastes are so stratified than people not liking stories, imho. That's why Masquerade stories get the most traction even if they're just standard faire.
>>88973212>Also i live in your walls.>And buy milk, the fridge is emptyOh so you were the one who drank the last box.
>>88972833He's just a failure with a shit discipline.Saulot made a better version of his clan by accident;
>>88973227Not in my experience it isn't. None of the generals I hang out in ever did much story timing.
>>88973293Most of the ones I do on this board do and do so frequently. This one's the odd man out.
>>88973304Which ones are those?
Ventrue Incel. Would it make more sense to have Dominate 3 or Presence 3? Wanting to control women or having the curse of Caine making women realize what a Chad I - I mean, he actually is?
>>88973325>Chad>Incapable of getting any bitches without actual magic.Kek, Lmao even.
>>88973309nta but /srg/, /exg/, /paizo/, /hsg/ are way more receptive to storytimes than here, even just one post storytimes that sum things up. i think that anon has the right of it anyhow, i don't give a fuck about any cofd game but will gladly read owod games so long as they're not fifth. this general actually used to be a lot better about storytimes a few years ago but all the effort posters left and the people left behind are just listless nogamers. shame too, ive been running pathfinder for a year now and miss playing world of darkness. didn't miss edition fag warring too.
>>88973350Okay, Dominate 3 then.
>>88973351>>88973309I miss when we had Shamanfag and all the Demon posters. No one ever runs Demon so I scrape whatever bits of experience others have had with it.
>>88973265LeL, but not gonna lie I always picture Tzim being the Bali progenitor but not gonna lie, no one I know gives a shit about the Bali so it is a moot point.
>>88963884>What is a taboo if not a tool a competitor willingly sets aside?These woofs sound like Setites.
>>88973368>No one ever runs Demon so I scrape whatever bits of experience others have had with it.Be the change you want to see in the world. Jokes aside I was thinking of running DtF as Djinn for a twist, shame the group does not have any interest in it.
>>88973386Yeah but the Ukatena are more interesting.
Are there any Changelings / Vampires in Chrons that can look like a big breasted zombie without it being out of line for their kith/bloodline?
>>88973414>Changelings / VampiresVamps largely look like they did when they where alive, but in lost that could easily be a Fairest, Darkling or Wizened.
>>88973418>>88973419Give me the kiths/bloodlines bros. Whichever one sounds better is the one I'll be playing in this cross splat game.It's set in São Paulo
>>88973414Keep in mind that in a mixed splat only other Changelings will see you in that form unless you take everyone on a trip into the Hedge.
>>88973441Literally any clan or bloodline that can look corpse-like and literally any kith that can look corpse-like. There's too many to list them all.
>>88973441If you want to play a vampire like that, play a Nosferatu or get a Bane.
>>88973452>>88973447Thank you, but very well noted on the mask and mien thing. It'll be distracting as fuck if I have to do the Lost equivalent of going loud all the time or trying to enchant them.>>88973458non answer. You are genuinely the type of person to answer a question on stackoverflow with "I don't know" or "Why?">>88973490Sometimes the simplest answer is the best. I'll go with this then, cheers.
>>88973430Any kith realy, but the Reborn from K&K seem most fitting.
>>88973539Shit, my post was ment for>>88973441
>>88973325Dominate 2Presence 1Actually just presence 1 is enough.
>>88973377Makes sense with the V20 version being more magical.
>>88972645Fuck, hexes and curses where a mistake...Tilts&conditions are bad enough as they are, but inflicting them at will for 1 fucking glamour with no roll or counter (other than obedience to the letter of the changelings curse) is just insane.
>>88973414fairest leechfinger? Or any of the zombie like changelings but fairest
>>88973760Can you inflict positive tilts/conditions with curses and hexes?
>>88973377i like how there are 3 baali meths and 3 antes that are suspected as being their progenitor so my headcanon would be that they each are the progenitor of one founder i just wished the 3 bloodlines would be more mechanically differently
>>88973414The answer is yes. Hill might have been a dirty commie but its a real loss not getting that version of Lost.There's even a draft for hybrids that escaped Arcadia via the embrace.But the real loss it's no one else will ever really touch the design space of advanced and epic merits.
>>88973414Here's the hybrid vamp lost 'ling template draft
>>88973768Yes, as long as it is a tilt or condition and the wyrd (read ST) is ok with it.
How many "minor horrors" have you dealt with in your games? Any particularly memorable exemplars?
>>88973916>>88973929damn this sounds pretty cool, but it also sounds like something that would draw overpowered super special OC types
>>88973760They aren't completely uncounterable, the problem is a character would have to understand how they work to do so. Firstly you have to be able to perceive and understand the terms of the hex/curse, meaning if you rendered yourself unable to hear, you can't be cursed. Some supernaturals may also be able to whip something up to help deal with them too. For example, I could totally see a werewolf creating a talen voodoo doll that would shunt the hex to the doll instead.
>>88973916Beast has a bunch of them. Just ignore that only Beasts can take them and you're good to go.
>>88973377I like the Baali as villains, didnt like what they did with them in the V20 Dark Hand book. Cool basic idea, but disliked the demonic magic/koldunism mix up there.Just felt a bit hamfisted in comparison to their dark ages clanbook, which admittedly is an unfair comparison. The concept would have been well served by including the Via Hyron, but that seems to be common in newer publications that they just drop tpns of stuff and/or change it due to (if we are kind) space limitations alone.
>>88974307How do you define this? Because this stuff can be put in via tons of ways: Spirit ridden animals, cryptids via infrastructure, ghouled animals. But I assume you mean by minor horror that it is not connected to a bigger splat?
>>88973441>It's set in São PauloIt's a good thing vamps don't need to breathe.
>>88974782>How do you define this?Supernatural creatures unrelated to a wider splat. Think about the example monster in the hunter book.
>>88974833I never read nWoD 2.0 stuff, but I remember the build your monster toolbox they gave you in Vigil. I try to use minor and unrelated things, if ghosts and spirits count. Not cryptids yet but I am planning to use one for my game.
>>88974876>I try to use minor and unrelated things, if ghosts and spirits countThat's pretty neat. But yeah I'm mostly talking about Cryptids or unexplained creatures.What do you have in mind?
>>88974876>>88974307I once threw cocaine bear at my PCs on a one shot. I have share this story before but it was pretty underwhelming.
>>88974586Yeah but those require knowledge of changeling bullshit most simply don't have. because there is no resistance you can just fuck people over with little consequences by raw. I know that balance is a meme but this shit is just begging to be annoying.
>>88973351We get them every now and then but you need a lot more set up for people to bother. If you just post a story a lot of folks will just read it write "thanks for sharing" but not engage with it any deeper.
>>88973112Doesn't that describe every one of them?
>>88972833Is his Calm just retarded?
>>88971747You can just omit the fuckers, either version of them feels contrived as shit. Ditto for the Giovanni.
>>88969283Given the recent shit shows they have dealt with that's understandable. But yeah you can do that shit at a table level and be fine.
>>88968060The bleeding edge is kinda of trash as is. You would be better off reading the lore stuff and using the Lost Boys from Hurt Locker.
>>88975116i mean given that he kills them in TWO gehenna scenariosi do think he would say yes
>>88975205Sounds like Set isn't a bad guy after all.
>>88968242It was quite a complicated conversation because I told him this is a problem solely for me because other players are enjoying this "lmao so chaotic and fun!" character. I told him my character won't partake with next cabal's whole vengeance arc. He's gonna stay behind trying to fix an issue that same character left behind because now that his Wisdom is 2, he can't possibly do the thing properly anymore. At same time, this is a great opportunity for my character to evaluate what being part of cabal is and what to do when other members don't care if things go south.In the end, it's a "it is what it is" answer.Everyone is enjoying. I'm not.If I don't adapt, maybe leaving the game for good is the answer.I just hope all other players understand next adventure (go into a Seers of Gate Exarch fortress for killing spree vengeance and retrieving an artifact we don't actually need) is a death trap and if they fail, they might get TPK. I already talked to my ST to make this clear for everyone and if they wish to proceed, then good luck.
>>88972833how do you guys like the theory that he isn't actually a Antediluvian? apparently he is stated to "only" be 7k years old which makes him two thousands of years younger than Japheth and roughly the same age as baba yagawriter fail or secret lore?
>>88972833What's his and his followers whole deal? Most other clans I get but not the settites, they're weird
>>88975404the writers just forgot/ignore that owod is supposed to be a young Earth later on because of how retarded the model is.>>88975611>What's his and his followers whole deal?His clan is just a retarded take on gnosticism with being evil as fuck being the way to enlightenment or something like that. Tho be frank with you I just think they are a pretty shit clan so I didn't bother to learn much about Set, all I know is that he was Jesus for a while before someone bitched about it hard enough for people to Retcon it.
>>88975611It's a tangled web with a lot of headcanon but>Set was at some point clearly drawing on the power of Wyrm/Apophis in some capacity but there's no evidence he was a true believer>medieval incarnation of his clan sought transcendence and to become like their founder; their discipline reflects this>modern incarnation is basically satanic humanism; so deep down the Wyrm rabbithole that they literally turn into snakes now>in the Gehenna scenarios, Set just wipes out his childer fro being cringe
>>88975611yeah set is a bit of a complicated guy and his deal is different from his clan, also not helped by the fact that he got retconned hard between his original clan book and dav20going by revised and v20 Set is basically a guy who stole part of super powerful demon called Apophis (who maybe even is the wyrm) power to make his clan own discipline then went to war with the rest of his family (made out of mummies and at least 1 archmage) and lost against them and their allies (were crocodiles and silent striders) then he basically did a shadow war against them till the wave or true faith coming from jesus birth either killed him or put him in topor his clan reorganized itself into a cult that worships set (previously it had 3 blood lines; caster, warrior and priest and the priest caste took over and nearly wiped out the other two castes) and set's supposed teachings of radical freedom and corruption to weaken the chain of the aeons (gods who the setites believe enslaved us all with rules so that we don't realize our divine potential yeah the setites been larping mage the awakening decades before it got printed!) and to bring set backduring the dark ages however the clan underwent yet another schism, the direct childer of set all went into topor and the hedonistic faction that preached corruption and hedonism for it own sake became the majority of the clan and now in the modern age most of the setites don't even know that their elders would all fucking hate them if they would wake up (and their powers changed from being divinity, set animal and well set themed into more snake, darkness and corruption themed implying that the demon kinda took over the clan) which is why if they manage to get set back into the lands of living he kills them all in Gehenna calling them unworthy of his bloodbasically the setites believe they have to corrupt you to free you from invisible chains of evil gods while not seeing that they are being corrupted by a demon
>>88975828God WoD lore is fucking stupid
>>88974937Sorry for the late answer, but I am unsure if some of rhe guys read here so I wont be to open. I just try to mix it up between mundane and supernatural problems. A bit more detective work and also in a way that its not allways clear what the supernatural cause is.>>88974961I also had an issue wirh stuff being to easy, so I made combat a bit more deadly to heighten risk. Also meana they kill enemies easier, but still.
>>88975815>>88975828Why is literally every clan better in DA?Matter of fact, why is DA better than the modern setting?
>>88976205Was done after it and was the bridge to nwod. More feudal, more personalised, less world conspiracy and more clans being playable due to no sects.>Also middle ages cool.
>>88967770>>88967777>>88967847Guy who plays Kyle here; was mostly focusing on the shitposting aspect because it's been fun. In terms of the more serious side of things, I took some inspiration from Breaking Bad. Specifically Jesse's character arc.In terms of actual backstory, Kyle was raised by a single mom. Nothing actually tragic happened to him, beyond the banal sorrow that entails: his mom would have a few long-term relationships and he'd have a couple of stepdads, but in the end, those fell apart too. A major incident in his childhood development was listening in on his mom essentially call him a burden and say he's made his life so much harder for him.He started his supernatural podcast with a few friends partially because he had nothing else going on, and partially because he's a genuinely believer he wanted to know there's something out there.When he got turned, he saw it was an unprecedented opportunity to "be somebody" or prove he's actually not worthless. He's also got a tense relationship with his sire because he wants to prove he wasn't just some mistake to her. That he can be worth something.I plan on his first actual kill fucking him up. He's just some dork who thought he hit the supernatural lottery. So far the Camarilla's kept him on a tight leash, and if he ever ends up with a ton of blood on his hands it's going to impact him.
>>88972773>allergic to pussynigger my character literally got his powers from overdosing on elf pussy, I swear this flame war is literally just D&D wizards vs warlocks all over again, sorry you had to study at Hogwarts and get assraped by paradox every time you do magic but my character got magic powers from blowing out the holes of elven """""maidens""""" and snorting pixie dust while riding a fire-breathing unicorn.
>>88976598Fuggen fairiest loyalists, I swear.
>>88976598Your character sounds gay
>>88976598>>88976612All CtLfags need to be dragged out into the streets and shot.
>>88976205I dunno, I think Baali are even bigger retarded faggots in DA
>>88976649Try it.>t. Wizened soldier.
>>88976698Baali are retarded in general so it's not DA's fault.
>>88976698Nah, I like Via Hyron Baali. The option for gay satanism is still there so all is well:
>>88973929>no demon/mage hybrid
>>88976598Does your character have several chapters worth of scenes explaining in intricate detail how he overdosed on elven maiden pussy?
>>88976649I have no idea why some people look at lost and think "sexually degenerate power fantasy".I've played Lost with my own group, it was nothing like that.
>>88976898no, because when other people are going off with their pity party about how they were turned into a fucking chair or had to grind up orphans to bake bread for giants it's a bit of a mood killer for one guy to say his biggest problem was a sore back and a hangover.The rulebooks even make a point of saying that people whose durance wasn't that bad are wise to keep their fucking mouth shut about it. Imagine being a Fairest Riddleseeker who got kicked out of bed because your pillow talk ran out of bad puns who's honestly dying to return to Arcadia and having to awkwardly nod and smile when everybody else is fucking trauma dumping.
>>88976988Lighten up a little and stop playing it wrong anon :3Its not real CTL unless youre snorting pixie dust out of a femboy faun's navelThe whole game was basically designed for cute slice of life shenanigans!
>>88976172No idea how to handle a big monster being as intimidating as a firing squad without giving it multiple attacks.
>>88976988>I have no idea why some people look at lost and think "sexually degenerate power fantasy".because it's a game where you can canonically get mage-tier reality warping powers by fucking hot elf bitches, how is this hard to understand?Why do you think every single fucking Toreador backstory is "I fucked a supermodel and now I have super-speed and mind control powers", how is this hard to understand? Most people don't enjoy subjecting themselves to torture porn, why do you think nobody really plays tzimisce and says "haha yeah actually I got turned into a fucking piece of furniture for the first 100 years of my embrace!" and instead goes with mad scientist or edgy plastic surgeon? A changeling's durance is essentially vampire embrace turned up to eleven, there's already a lot of weird sexual themes involved with the vampire embrace and many curses and merits/flaws specifically revolve around the embrace, like giovanni being incestual and their kiss being painful and dealing a bunch of extra damage which combines for a fucking bizarre sadomasochistic incest play where daddy has to strugglefuck his kids into unlife while they scream in agony. Yeah bro totally no degenerate sexual themes at play there!
>>88977014i'm one of the biggest faggots that this thread has ever seen and i recognize fake faggotry when i see itthis is a falseflag post made to slander CtLand i don't even play CtL
>anon asks why sex shit is a big part of a wod game when werewolf literally tracks your breeding and the first rule for garou society is who you are and aren't allowed to fucklmaothe only wod game that DOESN'T immediately devolve into weird sex shit is wraith because it's too busy being misery porn, and even then That Guy loves using the opportunity to play as your Shadow to be fucking creepy
>>88976804i think demon/abyssal creature hybrid would be more fitting.
>>88976205It's a good setting but I wouldn't call it better. The things that jump out to me about DA v.s. modern nights.>It has less focus and less books so there isn't as much contradictory information >Really likes jerking off certain clans. I'm convinced one of the authors liked the Lasombra a little too much>Extremely metaplot heavy, which makes some sense since it's earlier in the timeline, but can also turn some people off. Go off script too much and now you're in an alternate setting where the Giovanni takeover never haplened.>Lack of hard sects gives much more freedom for city dynamics, but the books also promote the very unnuanced clans tied to regions. Mediterranean Lasombra, German Ventrue, French Toreador, etc. Not that the books don't have examples against it, but it sometimes oversimplifies a region being "held" by one clan.It's not better, it's not worse. It's just different.Dindu Baali are always stupid, though.
>>88977099>There exists no balanced middle between torture porn and erotic power fantasy>Sexual subtext in other games means I'm playing the game correctly by talking about snorting cocaine off of buttholes>Uses the most cancer of VTM character concepts to defend pointThere's no such thing as nuance to you, is there?
>>88977152so can Vampires open up OnlyFans?
>>88977302>There's no such thing as nuance to you, is there?nuance and subtext are for cowards
>>88976598You could have chosen any type of cute supernatural woman and you chose a white girl with silly ears.Incredibly disappointed.
>>88975328 >they might get TPK.Does your ST have the balls to actually do this? I get the impression the dumb player is only acting like this because of an overly permissive ST. I don't see dumbass characters surviving too long in realistic settings other than this. >I already talked to my ST to make this clear for everyone and if they wish to proceed, then good luck. Ever consulted the other players about this? Are you close with any of them? Maybe someone else is also bothered by this, and they only pretend to go along with it out of some stupid social obligation.
>>88976988>I've played Lost with my own group, it was nothing like that.Of course it isn't. everyone who read the core book knows that. However, it is fun to pretend otherwise because of how mad some anons get over it.
>>88977679you're making it sound kinda fruity, and the image doesn't exactly help either
>>88977679I find that people get way more mad when you say that you enjoy the default CtL way more.All you need to do is say something like>CtL works best when you play it by the books with traumatic durances and villainous keepersand the usual suspects start foaming at the mouth.
>>88977693Dude, that's the fucking joke.Lost is a game with a serious tone but your characters are encouraged to be more than just a bit silly.
>>88977711Nice numbers.Anyways, i'll be having qay to much fun with The Hedge. Kith and Kin was already a big surprise in how dense it is with content. It has like 5 pages of worldbuilding and filler, and just so much good stuff instead. I hope they keep it up with The Hedge.I hope they update the rules for the Lupanar
One day I will get to play an animal vampire, that day isn't today.
>>88977795...huh? where's that thing from?becuase last time i cheked, Turning Animals into Kindreds was something that only the setites managed to do
>>88977819Berlin by Night? The very book that introduced animal kindreds in the first place with the snake bois if I am not remembering wrong.Really, they suck being animal based but I am not here to play them because of some mechanical advantage.
>>88977819You're quoting one of the worst books in the entire franchise, which I'm pretty sure was retconned a long time ago
>>88977488>Does your ST have the balls to actually do this?He already confirmed that place is an obvious deathtrap and characters don't need to go there. It's player's wish to go because of their own stupidity. I myself would go to, but after past session all my joy surrounding this mission died.>Ever consulted the other players about this? Are you close with any of them?Even tho I'm close to them, the whole conversation "the way your character is being roleplayed is bothering me and ruining my fun" can always spark some "well you are ruining everyone else's fun with your attitude" and this normaly goes nowhere. I talked here about problematic player who didn't listen to anyone else about how their problems off-game were affecting in-game and I'm still exhausted by this whole almost one-year ordeal. I think it's more of a fear to repeat same situation. >Maybe someone else is also bothered by this, and they only pretend to go along with it out of some stupid social obligation.All other players are enjoying. Sometimes he does funny things and it's nice. But when he goes full retard maximum chaos it's just tiresome to me. Other players don't care. They even admit a big chunk of our game is paying for this character's actions and they are ok with it. Everyone wants to see him facing consequences, but until now no real consequence was done. Now, an extra fact: This characters has Destiny 5 and his Ban is something like "You are the only reason of your loneliness. You are fated to ruin everything around you and ending up alone". Only two characters knows this. Mine and another player character. But I doubt other player still remembers. So yeah. This is another way for him to enact this destructive behavour on game.
>>88977860i actually don't know about what book you're talking about, i just kinda learned this info from these threads
>>88977875Berlin by night, which includes among other things>malkavian goring>tremere himmler>anarch neonazis
>>88977870>his Ban is something like "You are the only reason of your loneliness. You are fated to ruin everything around you and ending up alone" I suggest you leaving, because you should have already. This is such a redflag it's not even subtle, it's enabling his behaviour 100%. It doesn't even matter if he or the ST even remember, because allowing that and seeing his behavior it's clear he'll be allowed to be a retard forever. Your ST sounds like a pushover for me and the players seem to either like being fucked over or are pushovers themselves. It's highly unlikely this will change because it involves a retard's infinite confidence and his enablers.
>>88978039I can understand beeing peeved against Malkavian Goring and Tremere Himmler, but Anarch NeoNazis make perfect sense, the anarchs aren't beholden to a single ideology
>>88975006It does seem like in most cases it invalidates a lot of combat encounters, functionally making combat Summer Court member obsolete in most circumstances. You just need to be strong enough to beat up a blind entity instead.
>>88978069hell yeah i got the sex number
>>88977860Please, even the good old Chaos Factor isn't retconned. And it is certainly isn't the worst. I swear, people like you love denying things you don't agree with, say like Tal'Mahe'Ra.
>>88978055>Your ST sounds like a pushover for meMy ST is just someone who has good amount of faith and patience. We talked about how Duel Arcane (to the death) should be adversary mage taking away his soul and disappearing instead of corrupting it and giving it back. However, he doesn't believe this to be a good way to show real consequences. Death would only make our friend feel bad and probably coming back with another "lmao so random and chaotic" character again.I do admire his attempts on trying to tell a story about consequences and how Destiny and magic can consume a good man's spirit. But how to tell this story if the player doesn't care enough?
>>88978170>However, he doesn't believe this to be a good way to show real consequences. Death is the ultimate consequence. It's the reason every living being (and even dead ones in WoD) are careful. It's the ultimate fear and antithesis of life. While I despise ST's that are into misery-porn, if your players aren't afraid of dying suddenly and coldly because they went head-first into a mafia den unarmed, you're just trivializing your own world. Look no farther than your own Chronicle to see that; the way you describe it seems like the dude's character should have been way more fucked over. Besides, if the reason the ST won't kill him is because he's afraid of him creating the same character again, it once again shows the lack of leadership and assertiveness of your ST. Giving near-immortality to a player just because he would do the same thing again is ridiculous.
>>88978276Or you are playing a Mummy where dying is just tuesday for youWhile I do somewhat I agree with you on >>88978170, it really depends on the playgroup and the chronicle. Even the tone of the session in question (I had Christmas sessions where we did wacky ass shit that affected usually more serious normal sessions for example.)
Nice, really nice.
>>88978570No fucking way, another one?jesus where did they pick up this nimrod?
>>88978607>jesus where did they pick up this nimrod?Poland via Outstar
>>88978711You should wish for more people to see the patterns instead.
I love how entertaining the whole W5 is getting.
>>88978802My god. The artist even copied the pose. Fuck.
>>88978932Not to justify it, but that's sort of the point of a reference anon. Everyone uses references. They just don't tend to directly copy them so blatantly.
Hey /tg/, I need an opinion. A player in my table wants to have this Combination Discipline, but it seems OP as fuck for it's low level, so I don't know if I'm reading this wrong. Should I allow this? Mind you, I don't mind him having such power, but I don't know if it should be that low or if I'm understanding it wrong.
Who remembers this classic from Hunter
Is there a chance Paradox as the mother company do something with WoD brand team? I'm pretty sure the book went to print already since they barely managed to fix the Maori guy when that happened.I'm pretty sure using the image of actual people without their consent in a commercial product is a no-no. We already have three such cases. At this point I'm pretty sure all of his work is copying other people he found pictures of. His "art" features heavily in Companion, Sabbat: The Black Hand, Hunter: The Reckoning (H5), Werewolf: The Apocalypse (W5), most likely Players Guide and Blood Sigils.Paradox dismantled White Wolf after the Chechnya incident. All WoD stuff were to be done by outside studios like OPP, Mophidius or Hunters. They allowed those people to create stuff on their own again and that's what we get.
>>88979360>>88978570have they responded to the newest ones.
>>88978802>the cope about how it wasn't a trace just a reference>it's actually a trace of a body with a trace of another head lol>>88979374"the creative team is aware so stop talking about it, the mods have spoken"
>>88979106it's not that busted imo, it just adds some utilityeventide strength is much powerfull
>>88979374Yes. They responded with >>88965168
>>88979408>>88979444There was this one funny guy on discord, begging everyone to stop talking about it, because he was waiting 3 years for the game to come out and he don't want any delays or even worse, cancellation
>>88979873on one hand, i completley understand him as i have been in his same shoeson the othe hand, lmao get shit on nerd
>>88974596Beast has /some/ of them.here's a compilation
>>88976804I do wonder if Hill wrote on those lines at all.Heirs to Hell and demon kids + Proximi families probably the closest you'll get for something compatible with crossover material if you're looking to wedge a little bit of demon into mage.
>>88974307I conceptually have urban legends running around the city tucked away in weird corners for the purposes of changeling the dreaming but they aren't really at the forefront of the game at the moment.
>>88976110Do you not like anime either?
>>88977152anon it doesn't track your breeding it literally tells you not to have sex just like vampire says that vampires do not get off on sex.They literally tried to write the shit you're bitching about out of the game and you people doubled down on it because you're fucking perverts.picrel are not sex powers. They're horrific body horror rape powers.
>>88977849The only book with them actually I think. I believe the implication was a use of Settite sorcery but who knows.
>>88978095>Tal'Mahe'RaI never had an issue with them they're neat.
>>88979286I mean they already collapsed an entire independent company and brought it internal. They would have to stop using nepotism for that to happen.All of these pieces over the last several weeks have also been from the same artist