Gentlemen, how do we fix kitsunes?
>>88101451What's wrong with Kitsunes?
>>88101487Absolutely nothing unless you're talking specifically about the fox beastmen from Pathfinder. Those are really bad.
>>88101451Make them evil fey-like creatures that will kill you after fucking you
>>88101518What's wrong with Pathfinder kitsune?
>>88101451Selective breeding for traits that humanity deems desirable.
>>88101451you can't fix perfection
>>88101451With human cock
>>88101451set the fluff slider and the meat slider to maximum
>>88101582He can't be a human with animal parts like a faggot weeb.
Same way you fix just about almost any modern interpretation of various fantasy creatures who have been radically butchered by furries and coomers. You return to tradition and go back to the original concept and make them evil or untrustworthy monsters worthy of being killed and banished, even if they have a humanoid form. And if people still fall for them then you reward those people with being screwed over and killed for their idiocy.
>>88102003Something seems off to me about head Vs torso/legs size in that pic but I do like the way you think.
>>88101451Make them more like foxes irl: Neurotic, loud, smelly little shits.
>>88102375The oldest recorded story about Kitsune in Japanese folklore is literally about a Fox Wife who returns every night to the bed of her human husband and father of her child even after she’s discovered as a fox.Kitsune = Waifu is literally a trope over a thousand years old.**Applies to Japanese Folklore only. Results may vary by country.
>>88101451Play them up as a kind of Japanese elemental creature.
>>88101451They're fine as is. Just don't let your players play one.
>>88101594>>88101597I can see it...
>>88101451>how do we fix kitsunes?Fire and steel.
>>88101451In D&D? Make them an actual fleshed out race instead of blanding them down by homogenizing them into the godsawful "hengeyokai race" that TSR shat out of its humanocentric ass.
>>88101451Bit out of the loop here, what's their problem?
How do we fix Ceobe in Tapletop Roleplaying Games?
>>88101582They're furries, not kenonomimi fox girls. If you can't understand why the average denizen of /tg/ has a problem with that, lurk moar.
>>88103419>The average denizen of /tg/I don't know, seems like people know what's really important.
>>88101594But anon, that's a dog, and she seems rather FAT.
>>88103830>posting THAT game that features canonical trannydom and furriesno thanks
>>88103419You're fucking weak and pathetic, kill yourself NOW.
>>88102003>set the fluff slider and the meat slider to maximumYou're an Anon of brilliance.
>>88101451Rubberband around the testicles.
>>88104093>Draw a kitsune>give it the incorrect skin colorwestern artists for you
>>88104257You're not into gyarus, anon?
>>88101451How do you fix perfection?
>>88104502naturally seductive beings wouldn't need to be gyarus
>>88103419Newfag /a/ tourist
Make them all males, even if they appear temporarily female so wanting to fuck one is not only furry but also really gay.
>>88101451Fix? But they're already perfect.>>88102375>ignorant shitter thinks exotic magical gfs / wives are a modern invention
>>88102003They will loose their finesse as rogues, but their fluff and ass will benifit their charisma and constitution. That or make sumo wrestling kitsunes
>>88105034For the last time, anon, I'm not making an entire race of gay furries for you.
>>88101451For starters, giving them hard limits to their shapeshifting abilities. I know that they can shapeshift between human and fox form, and between genders, but what about other transformations, where's the best point to cut them off?
>>88104257Don't care. I want more black kitsunes now.
>>88105076>thinks exotic magical gfs / wives are a modern inventionThe modern incarnation of it is, yes. Traditionally, there were strings attached as well as other factors. Majority of the time it was used as a cautionary tale to not fall for the thing that is blatantly incompatible with humanity for any number of reasons.
>>88105533>>88105548oh no no no...
>>88105585Yes, but some people have more horniness than sense.
>>88105599Is there a problem, anon?
>>88101582Because, for once, girl-with-animal-parts is mythologically accurate for a kitsune in human form, while fox furry has no basis at all for them. It's going to be just a fox, just a human, or a human with ears/tail that you're not supposed to notice, and never something with a muzzle and furry hide. Yes, yes, 'a kitsune' is literally just 'a fox' but the Pathfinder race is clearly intended to be the mythological supernatural critter rather than the common canine regardless.
>>88101451Make sure the setting also has kumihos so that anyone who blindly trusts fox people is a fucking idiot.
>>88106483YOU ARE WEAK AND PATHETIC, KILL YOURSELF N O W
>>88106512based
>>88101451get rid of the human parts and make them all lolis
>>88103414C!
>>88104257>incorrect skin coloraren't they shapeshifters?
>>88104112>furry castration magical realmDM pls
>>88106526Go back to the furaffinity forums dogfucker
>>88101451the same way you fix any other nonhuman race
>>88106483>fucking an actual fox disguised as a human = not furry>fucking a foxman = furryWeebs are weird
>>88101451make the fluffier
>>88106905Better than being a 0 testosterone faggot who won't fuck a hot fox babe unless she's nothing more than a shitty cosplayer equivalent.You don't get to be part of the monsterfucker club, you just get to be lame.
>>88106512>>88106615Don't fuck on the first date. If she ghosts you after that, she probably wanted to eat you.
>>88106910cute
>>88102003That is a shit drawing, I hope whoever made it feels bad for failing this hard
>>88103419>They're furries, not kenonomimi fox girlsAye, so?
>>88101451Kitsunes, despite their intelligence, cannot resist inari sushi so your best bet is to hide some tranquilizers in an inari offering. Make sure it's fast-acting and your animal control team is nearby to make a quick snatch and grab, because you'll need to bring the kitsune to the on-location veterinarian/miko and get her fixed BEFORE she wakes up and wreaks terrible vengeance on you all. Then you just drop her off back at her shrine with an extra offering of inari sushi and she'll be none the wiser.>>88101487Overpopulation. It's a sad state of affairs for most stray spirits and deities these days. Next episode we'll tell you how to properly spay and neuter your nekomata.
>>88101451Remove the human bits.
>>88102375>confusing kitsunes and kumiho againlorelets...
>>88107127You want pairs of ears and bushels of fluffy tails floating around?
>>88106709E!
>>88101582>diaperfags>pedophiles>one of the author's crossgender self-insertsFor example, if Kyr'Shin the Kitsune told you to kill yourself...
How about Space Kitsunes?
>>88103419>>88103830>>88103974>>88104829>>88106929newfags get out
>>88107609>mass replier too stupid to readIf you fuck a 7 disguised as a 1, what does that make you?
>>88107574elaborate?
>>88107127So just make them weird foxes
>>88101451the traditional way
>>88106940>monsterfucker club>i-i-it only counts if she is a human with animal partsyou will never be a real monsterfucker faggot weeb.
>>88113509Furry so assmad he friendly fired on his own animal rapist kindred lmao.
>>88111619picture unrelated
>>88113616>I-I-I-I'm not mad>You are!lmao sad
>>88101487They arent currently being fluffed by me
>>88101451You take it to the vet to get it fixed.
>>88117368You posted the wrong Pic tho.
>>88103842Still can't believe that FAT DOG WIFE is officially present in current edition of d&d
>>88116294Anon, you realize the guy you were replying to was saying the same thing as you, right? Like holy shit you're so assmad you can't tell furfriend from furfoe right now.
>>88101451>Kitsune, for the most part is just an alternative term for foxes, feral and stupid. However, the Fox god bestows the more intelligent of them with magic powers, which also increases the number of their tails. Kitsune can create illusions and shapeshift into their True form, which depends on their soul. The most powerful of Kitsune have up to 8 tails, as the Fox god has 9.
>>88118048I'm sorry what??
>>88106483>'a kitsune' is literally just 'a fox'Do note – although you may know this already – that many myths did not make a distinction between ‘supernatural’ and ‘natural’ animals. All foxes are like that, only some don’t know the magic to look human (or talk and so on).
>>88107534O!
Should Kitsune be allowed to use our banking institutions?I just wanted an excuse to post this image
Casual genderswapping to bamboozle waifufags.
>>88121849Based, foxboys are the best.
>Play fox boy as a pseudo-trap, who acts extremely cutesy>Calls himself "chan">Makes fox-head shapes with his hands and says things like "Dess">A village is caught between two armies>Weaves an illusion around himself as a much more intimidating fox-man, one with a deep voice and looks prone to violence>Threatens both armies with destruction if they anger him by fighting here>Holds up one hand in a fox-shape and says "dess" in as deep a voice as he can manageI did this in a game once. Not D&D, some super weeby system my group tried exactly once. Entire table broke down laughing at the deep-voiced "dess". They still cringe if I reference the character otherwise.
>>88117396IIRC Kon isn't even a shapeshifted fox, she's an artificial spirit created by fusing a human and a fox together. The series also has a girl who was fused with a rabbit.
>>88121768I've been SUCH a fan of the idea of "near-sapients" like cetaceans and corvids being smart enough to work out magic to close the gap.The nearest example of this I can think of is Warcraft Ogres, who are JUST smart enough to start learning Arcane magic, but are so talented with it that being taught the basics kicked off a feedback loop of Intelligence-increasing magic.
>>88121849Male foxes turning into human women to troll people is mythologically accurate.>>88101582You can see the train that led to PF kitsune>D&D 3.0 had a "hengeyokai" race in Oriential Adventures consisting of animals who could transform into humans or a hybrid form. Foxes were an option, but the most popular were sparrows who remained in animal form, since they could both fly and were ridiculously small and hard to hit.>In 3.0 they had the "Shapechanger" type and were LA +1. In 3.5 this became a subtype, so they'd be "Magical Beast (shapechanger)". Except that the official update was instead "Humanoid (shapechanger)" for some reason. In exchange for the less useful typing, they were reduced to LA +0, making them way more attractive to munchkins.>Paizo (who'd previously published said update) included this updated Hengeyokai (fox version only) in PF under the name "Kitsune", but gated their animal form behind a feat because PF gates everything behind feats, making the hybrid form their default instead.
>>88101582>>88122204Dreamscarred Press wrote an alternate racial trait to fix them>Yokai (Su): The kitsune gains the beastblood subtype, and their natural form is a single specific Small-sized fox; they have the ability to change shape as if by the beast shape I spell, but only to this form. The kitsune can still assume the appearance of their specific human form, but cannot take the form of a humanoid fox. Antimagic fields and effects that return the kitsune to their natural form revert them to their fox form, and effects that pierce through magical disguises (such as true seeing) reveal the kitsune’s true form. Because of telltale foxlike features (such as a poorly concealed tail or sharp fangs), a kitsune with this racial trait only gains a +5 bonus on Disguise checks to appear fully human when in their human form. However, they gain a +20 bonus on Disguise checks to appear as normal foxes when in their natural form, and do not take the normal penalty for disguising as a smaller creature when doing so. As a yokai kitsune’s natural form is a fox, they gain their racial bite attack in that form. The kitsune can speak and cast spells in their fox form, and has access to any material and focus components that are melded to their form when they transform back into a fox (though expending them will cause them to be used when the fox transform into a human again). This racial trait alters change shape, but otherwise functions as that ability.Beastblood being a subtype that lets you count as Magical Beast for some purposes
>>88121798B!
>>88118048You can't leave us hanging without explanation. Or are you talking about Ardlings?
>>88122726Ardlings were removed from OneD&D core, though.
>>88122204Its actually a bit older. 1e D&D Foxwomen were the first 3 form lycanthropes introduced in Monster Manual II in 1983 with a Silver Fox form, hybrid "Vixen" form and a female elf form. 2 years later, the 1e Oriental Adventures added the Hengeyokai as what were in effect playable 3-form lycanthropes. 2e later reprinted/updated the Foxwoman in one of the Monsterous Compendiums. The 3e OA book was pretty much a fusion of an updated version of the 1e OA book with the L5R campaign setting.
>>88101451A bullet
>>88101451Play up the alluring and mysterious angle. Especially with their shapeshifting abilities to help in that department.
>>88122245Some other content from the same supplement (since it's all OGL)>Kumiho>The bloodthirsty kumiho is a particularly vicious variety of kitsune; these foxfolk tend to dispense of the good-natured trickery that kitsune are known for, instead using force and violence to achieve their goals. They possess a natural talent for combat and the instincts needed to hunt their prey easily—evil kumiho make little distinction between “person” and “food,” stalking the night to find their meals before returning to their homes during the day.>+2 Strength, +2 Wisdom, –2 Constitution: Kumiho are dangerous ambush predators, with little need for stamina. This racial trait replaces the normal kitsune’s racial ability modifiers.>Darkvision (Ex): Kumiho see perfectly in the dark up to 60 feet. This racial trait replaces low-light vision.>Primal Hunter (Ex): A kumiho gains a +4 racial bonus on Survival checks to follow tracks. This racial trait replaces agile. Whenever a kumiho eats the heart or liver of a creature with an Intelligence score of at least 3, they do not age for one day. This effect is cumulative.>Tooth and Nail (Ex/Su): A kumiho has two primary claw attacks that deal 1d4 points of damage and have a critical range of 19-20/x2. When in human form, they have the supernatural ability to hide (or reveal) their claws as a free action; the kumiho can’t attack with their claws while they’re hidden. A kumiho can do the same for their bite attack, allowing them to use it in human form. A kumiho’s bite is also a primary attack. The kumiho loses their racial bonus on Disguise checks to appear fully human while their natural weapons are revealed. This racial trait replaces kitsune magic.
>>88124913>Kumiho Huntress (Combat)>You are particularly good at extracting the most delicious parts of your prey.>Prerequisites: Kumiho kitsune, rage powers class feature, base attack bonus +5.>Benefit: You gain the bloody fist rage power, even if you do not meet its prerequisites or aren’t a barbarian. You can use it one additional time per rage.>Liver-Eater (Combat)>You tear into your meal with a vicious frenzy.>Prerequisites: Kumiho kitsune, bloody fist rage power, base attack bonus +7.>Benefit: The base critical range of your claws increases to 18-20/x2. Unlike most effects that increase critical range, this stacks with Improved Critical and similar abilities, and is applied before such effects. Whenever you use your bloody fist rage power, you can eat the organ you rip out as a free action, gaining temporary hit points equal to your character level that last for one day or until used. These temporary hit points stack with other temporary hit points as normal, but not with successive uses of this feat (only the highest total applies).
every time i see eastern fantasy concepts in western fantasy games, its always written by a weeaboo who knows very little about japanese culture, and it comes across as like a shitty pantomime of what the folklore is actually likeEastern and Western fantasy should be kept seperate, like eastern and western cuisine. You can't eat a steak with chopsticks, you can't eat ramen with a knife and fork.
>>88124924Other subraces were>Huli Jing: succubus types, can drain points of Con from creatures to gain a bonus on Cha-based checks (capped by level); each point drained halts their aging for one day and substitutes for food and water>Tanuki: +2 Con, +2 Cha, -2 Wis; skill bonus applies to Perform instead of Acrobatics, +1/2 level Disguise bonus with magical disguises>Zenko: +2 Dex, +2 Wis, -2 Str; Outsider (native, good, shapechanger); commune 1/week but they have to repay it through service; cannot be forced to reveal details of these tasks by any means>Coyotl: +2 Wis, +2 Cha, -2 Str; shapeshifting coyote, gets better healing magic and a bonus on Bluff cheks
>>88124999A lot of Western fantasy is pretty divorced from folklore too, though
>>88124999>missing out on 90% of fantasy manga>missing out on risotto, chaliapin steak and paellaGet behind me, upside-down Satan!
>>88124999>you can't eat ramen with a knife and fork.I eat ramen with a fork all the time. Fuck you. I eat it like I do spaghetti and other pastas.
>>88122179I've thought of this as well. I had the idea at one point to do a D&D game where the association of druidic magic with nature came from animals like crows and wolves knowing the basics themselves; we learned it from them first. Kind of wanted to lean into the shamanism/totemism stuff a bit.
>>88124999Fuck off. Outsider interpretations of culture are interesting and cool. East -> West and West -> East are both great.
>>88103830>>88103953What game?
>>88124999Remind me to dress up a bunch of Monk themed Yokai as Medieval Friars for my encounters in my Euro-based setting just to piss you off next game will you anon?
>>88126904Wrath of the Righteous, anon. And no, you can't romance the kitsune.
>>88124999t. nogames
>>88127405>And no, you can't romance the kitsune.
>>88127449She's insufferable anyway. An example of "this character is supposed to be smart, so make them talk down to everyone and act like the worst kind of autist"
>>88124999>You can't eat a steak with chopsticks, you can't eat ramen with a knife and fork.Watch me, bitch.
>>88106701This anon is (half) right
>>88102375My mythanon here. You forgot about Inari and their servant, the good kitsune. Also as others mentioned, Kitsune were absolutely always seen as a mixed bag. Some where good, some where not, but like many yokai they are not all the same. Even Oni ranges from evil destroying cannibals to guards and punishers of hell. And with multiple origins as well.Also now that I'm here, there was an anon in the previous elemental thread I was on who suggested Oni as lighting elementals akin to Undines for water. And because there's no elemental thread and I won't be creating one, if you're there anon, here's your answer. Sorry for being late. Oni themselves are not related to lightning. There are however Reiki, souls of Oni who are sometimes said to have lightning powers. Anything from not at all to their voice being thunder to conjuring lightning to strike their foes. Pic of a Reiki interpretation.
>>88103974Normal people don't like your fursona, creepo
>>88124999Buffoon. Jojo is a westaboo series that made for fun interpretations of Egypt, Italy and America
>>88101451You cannot fix something that never worked.
>>88131772>Oni themselves are not related to lightning. There are however Reiki, souls of Oni who are sometimes said to have lightning powers. Anything from not at all to their voice being thunder to conjuring lightning to strike their foes.Pretty sure that anon was thinking of Fuujin and Raijin
>>88101451I usually take mine to the vet.
>>88136746I always imagine that Akagi and Kaga have very clean tails that they groom meticulously. They must smell nice, like laundry that was just washed and dried with a pleasant fabric softener. I imagine Akagi's smell would be more in the spring flower direction, while Kaga's tails smell more like ocean breeze. I imagine Atago would smell nice too. She'd probably wear some fancy, flowery smelling perfume but lightly enough where the smell only lingers for a bit when she walks past you. Takao would probably smell more neutral, she looks like the kind of person who'd take good care of her hygiene but she's too pragmatic to go the extra mile outside of special occasions. Maybe you could smell some neutral deodorant with a scent that isn't too noticeable, like those deodorant sticks from Dove. >Wait a second, are you unironically imagining the smell?Yes. Smell is very important to me so I like things and people that smell pleasant.
>>88131772How have you been doing mythanon? What elements 'are' Oni related to then, discounting these Reiki? Also, got any info on Kitsunes not already mentioned here?
>>88137328Wrong, Akagi is a fucking gremlin. Her tails smell like sweat, gunpowder, and rancid fox piss-- with a hint of incense to try and disguise it.
>>88101451With a very sharp scalpel.
>>88136746>>88137328>>88137977Which dogshit gambling simulator are these characters from?
>>88138013Azure Lane, I think
>>88101451A sack and a river.
>>88122032You can still do this in 2e by taking myriad of forms at 5th level and taking an additional human form that being of a female version of yourself with GM hand waving at least.
>>88138402Wait meant to reply to the post replying to this one
>>88137977I can't tell why but I know a bird is behind this post
>>88137791Kitsune have something called a Hoshi-no-tama or Star Ball. It’s a little white gold pearl that holds a portion of their power. If you get a hold of it you may be able to get a promise from them if you give it back.
>>88139692I've actually read a story or two with that. I can't imagine that most Kitsunes would just leave it lying around though.
>>88101451Stop wanking over muh gazillion-tailed primordial OJOUSAMA fox gods, and gib more attention to young spirits. Imagine living all your life as an ordinary forest critter and trying to blend in with human society using a disguise you barely understand because you're still not the brightest. It's way more cute and interesting than typical $MINOR_GOD bs.
>>88103830Is this fucking real? Like, really real?
>>88121768I'm aware - such is the nature of mythology. Was noting that the word 'kitsune'/'狐' is just the word for 'fox' (Vulpes vulpes)>>88106929>>88106905>>88106940Never said it was or wasn't furry/less furry/more furry/whatever, or anything about fuckability. I just feel that things in games should be named appropriately - if you want your fox waifu character to be covered in fur, super animu, or nonexistant, I don't care, doesn't affect me. Have fun and knock yourselves out, the wall is over there.
>>88143019>and gib more attention to young spiritsare we not doing phrasing anymore?
>>88101451That's the neat thing. You don't. Burn and purge.
>>88143141Can you survive your own flames?
>>88143076If this is some lolifag shit, "young" for a kitsune is 100yrs, and it is uncommon for them to adopt the form of children.
>>88107707
>>88121768>>88143074They *do* have names for the magical shapeshifting kind. Blame translators for seeing lines like>Futsuu no kitsune janai, bake-gitsune da!>Futsuu no kitsune janai, youko da!and translating them as>That's no ordinary fox, that's a kitsune!(also "a magic fox tricked me with its magic" is redundant, you can just say "a fox tricked me with its magic" and everyone understands what you mean).
The way I would have kitsune-equivalents in my setting would be decried as wrong by almost all of /tg/, I am fairly certain.
>>88143245IIRC the translation for Senko-san wasn't even consistent about it.It translated BOTH mundane and supernatural terms for fox as "kitsune" when they refer to Senko, avoiding the word "fox" whenever possible.But then someone overhears the protag talking about Senko and says she sounds like a cute animal, and the translation has to pretend that he actually called her "fox" that one time because otherwise that reaction makes no sense.It's one of those weird things like how people keep translating "ero manga" into English as "hentai" just because early weebs misunderstood what a hentai is and it stuck.
>>88143062Yes, it's real. The indolent nobleman character admits that fluffy tails are best.
>>88133785Not Oni, though they look it, so perfectly fair if that's the case. And thank you for reminding me.>>88137791Busy as always.Not elements per se, Japan didn't relate creatures to elements. That's more of a Western alchemy thing. And I do have to specify Westernz because Taoist alchemy is it's own issue.That said, Oni do have three broad origin stories. People so evil they become Oni, descendants of Yamata-no-Orochi (the most famous of all Oni, Shuten-Doji is his descendant, often his son, but he also turned into an Oni for being evil), or as guards of Jigoku. Jigoku is Hell. I'd say fire works for that, ice if you consider that an element. Water, since there's plenty of rivers to cross. But that's more an association with Hell than Oni themselves. And of course Raijin and Fujin, so wind, lightning, thunder, which anon reminded me of, that look like Oni but are not. It's the same as saying Anubis is a jackal or Zeus a human. They're not. They're still gods, they just looks like that.People have been mentioning a lot of good stuff. Maybe the different stages of divine Kitsune, Kiko, Kuko, and Tenko, though that comes from Shinto-Buddhist syncretism.Kitsune-bi? It's pretty much exactly the same as the Western Will-o-wisps. Maybe that they can possess people, which is called Kitsune tsuki, and a similar concept called Tanuki tsuki for Tanuki.There's interesting stories. The Kitsune wedding. The stone, which everyone is familiar with. Okon Kitsune. There's the Inaba five Kitsune. There's more than a few plays about them, be they good or bad characters.And that's just Kitsune. Go to China with the Huli Jing, Korea with the Kumiho, or the Vietnamese ones whose name I cannot remember but I'm sure is on Wikipedia, and you get so much more. And the Native American fox spirits, or even Renard (which you might know from Disney's Robin Hood). You could make foxes into practically anything and it would fit. From seducers to holy the world's your oyster.
>>88143245Bake is just short for bakemono, mensing monster. Literally "that's a monster fox". Which is true. It is a not ordinary fox. Youkou is just an alternative (I want to say archaic but I am no linguist, just a mythology teacher, so I don't want to be stating something I am not 100% sure about) pronunciation of the kanji. It still just means fox, though it may have, at some point, become more associated with the Yokai.That said, anon is kinda right. Shintoism doesn't differentiate between the supernatural and natural. There is no other supernatural world like in the West where they live, like Heaven or Hell or even the Spirit World. Even the afterlife is here, or, at worst, a cave you can actually go to. It's just this world, and the Yokai and Kami are as natural a part of it as you or I or that tree.So the language difference is more so contextual than it is specific words like we would use.
>>88143802>Bake is just short for bakemono, mensing monster. Literally "that's a monster fox". Which is true. It is a not ordinary fox.化け (bake) means change. "Monster" is the best translation for bakemono 90% of the time, but bakemono literally means "changed/changing thing".>Youkou is just an alternative (I want to say archaic but I am no linguist, just a mythology teacher, so I don't want to be stating something I am not 100% sure about) pronunciation of the kanji. It still just means fox, though it may have, at some point, become more associated with the Yokai.No, "ko" is the Sinic reading of 狐 ("kitsune" is the native reading).The first character of 妖狐 (youko, not youkou) is the same one in 妖怪 (youkai). On its own it tends to be translated as "bewitching".
>>88107167>Floating fox ears and fluffy tails looking for human hosts
>>88124999I do what i want.
>>88105585>>88105659The oldest subversion of the trope, which is almost as old as the trope itself is that the foxwife comes no strings attached.Look up Taro's Mother for the literal second ever recorded story of a kitsune's wife where the only conflict is that a local girl is mad that that the wealthy local farmer's wife is a fox instead of her.
Take them to the vet while they’re in there in fox form and have them make a few snips.The kitsune might need to wear a cone for about a week afterwards.
>>88143698What are some particularly based takes that you like regarding Kitsunes and similar fox spirits in fiction, and what did they do well?
>>88147204So the "foxy waifu" thing was around long before anime was a thing.Well that means I got a more reasonable excuse for a smooth talking human samurai with a sexy kitsune sorceress GF being a thing in a samurai setting. XD
>>88147204Wasn't Abe no Seimei's mother a fox who taught him about his special powers after he and his father learned what she was?
>>88124999>You can't eat a steak with chopsticks, you can't eat ramen with a knife and fork.>has never seen an Asian family in a Western nation or vice versa do both unironically.
>>88143698Hope that things clear up soon. Miss seeing you more often here. What about why Kitsune and Tanuki reportedly hate each other, do you know the reason for that?
>>88151783In some versions, yeah, IIRC. Don’t quote me on this though.
KITSUNE TAIL VORE!
>>88103953It was a good game desu
>>88102375God I want to breed that so badscary, furless beastpeople are insanely hot
>>88101451Look dude you want a real answer? It can't be done and there is no point in trying. Those foxes were a mixed bag from the get go and good luck getting weebs to leave their weird fantasies aside when they do have some mythological basis, as it seems.It bothers a lil bit more how all of these fey and spirits and what not are turned into nothing but human with exotic features lacking the symbolic and mystical aspects of their other counterparts tho. But that's universal of fantasy in this soulless age.
>>88143943Well, that's the difference between translation and transliteration. If you want to translate things literally then, yes, change is the best translation, but, as context matters, monster is a better translation.
>>88148820Hm. I actually quite enjoyed the Love, death, robots one, but that's also not very mythological. Legend of the nine taiks fox is a Chinese TV series. I didn't watch it all the way through, but it was good. Inuyasha had some cool Yokai.>>88154042Maybe when summer comes. Should slow down then, I hope. As for why Kitsune and Tanuki hate each other? Probably just foxes hunting racoons honestly.
>>88161470>I actually quite enjoyed the Love, death, robots one, but that's also not very mythologicalI've only skimmed through that series, but didn't she get turned into a cyborg IIRC?
>>88124999There has never been a cultural boundary between Europe and Asia that commerce and conquest did not break. That's why a grain from the Yangtze River was being grown in iron age Iberia, it's how Italians learned to create noodle dishes, and why India is the world's largest producer of a legume grown in France eight thousand years ago and likely originated in Turkey. Europe was constantly mixing and exchanging ideas, goods, and even people with Africa (including sub-Saharan East and West Africa), and practically all of Asia. Eastern Siberian indigenous were even in contact with the indigenous Arctic peoples of North America and provided an avenue for Chinese made metalware to reach Alaska. See the relics found in Seward. Fucking Indonesian's settled Madagascar before mixing with Bantu and later Arabs.You do not live in a vacuum, you never have. Cultures are always mixing, changing, evolving in motion. Get over it.
>>88156756god i wish that was me
>>88105225Obviously it depends on their power anon. If they are something like THE nine tailed fox god expect them to turn into almost anything. How do you know that the second moon is real when there is a divine shapeshifter around?
>>88161470Glad to see you again Mythanon. Whatever happened to that email address?Also, been ages since I watched that show, did it have any Kitsune besides Shippo? And what were some of the other cool Yokai it had?
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>>88143597he is also giga-/d/egenerate who wants to see the succubus futa cock
>>88169448Already said "indolent nobleman", anon.
>>88124999>and it comes across as like a shitty pantomime of what the folklore is actually likenigger kitsune being unironic wish fulfillment waifus IS the actual fucking folklore, the same way selkies being perfect wives who will follow you home and bear your children if you find their coat is the actual folklore for them. the chink version is usually based on daji and has the fox women be malevolent and feasting on innards and leading men astray but the nip kitsune being fuckable wives is true to life.
>>88168490Can someone translate this text please?
>>88171702This post has translations https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/3975121
>>88156756God I wish that was me
>>88170245>the chink version is usually based on daji and has the fox women be malevolent and feasting on innards and leading men astray but the nip kitsune being fuckable wives is true to life.Hell I even once read a chink version where Daji was a happily married fox-woman, until her family got murdered by the Emperor's men.Which is what lead to her blood crazed vengeance and destruction of the dynasty.
>>88101451Make them machine lifeforms.
Have them be from the moon, lol.
>>88101451By making them NPCs only. By default Players cannot be trusted with anything more exotic than an elf, dwarf, or halfling.
>>88156756>kitsune start with 2 tails>they gain more by consuming humans into the fluff>a three-tailed fox has tempted a few into a permanent, fluffy embrace>a nine-tail may be more dangerous facing away than towards you
>>88182920God imagine how greasy the farts are of a nine-tailed vore fox
>>88101451Make them evil by default as a sort of counterpart to the Rakashas (thinking Pathfinder cosmology, also applies to DnD). They're ravenous shapeshifting tempters who are fueled mostly by their vices, and they like all the standard sins and will destroy any system they gain a modicum of power within in order to fuel them. They range greatly in power and have various ranks they gain through age, and they are ruthless social climbers. A Kitsune getting in charge of a small town, either informally or via a cult, will inevitably run it into the ground ; a true Kitsune-run country or territory results in horrors. Weak Kitsune are still entities with natural shapeshifting abilities and a tendency towards malicious behavior; elder Kitsune are on par with dragons in terms of sheer arrogance. Every time a disguised Kitsune has gained a modicum of power in human society, destruction and deaths occur; a elder Kitsune who seizes control of a nation won't just end up in the history books, but in major religious texts.
>>88185593Have you tried not diddling kids?
>>88180956this reminds me of a certain banished female matriarch from a popular cartoon
>>88185656What is that cartoon, then?
>>88185619I understand that you must be tired from your shift at the dicksucking factory, but do you have a actual response? Am I not being horny enough? I was just suggesting making them native outsiders, in Pathfinder, I was just focusing on a RP question about a relatively popular system that'd lend itself to requiring someone to come up with a conventional stance on them in a game in which they'd be present in.>>88185656all the answers to this question that I can think of are for shows for which discussion should be banned on /tg/ because they involve the worst kind of posters
>>88185593Do hybrids exist? And how do people fight against them/reveal their true forms?
>>88101451Make them _____FAT________.
>>88185656>>88185661>>88185779I would guess the answer is Global Rule 15 violation but I never watched the show so I wouldn't know.
>>88173912And why would we do that? How would that "fix" them?
>>88198608robussy
>>88153505Eating Ramen with knife and fork, even at a restaurant, is like the Broke College Student Experience.
>>88198853I’d just use a spoon, personally. >>88198608Cute, is it a robot or a kitsune that shifted into a mechanical form?
>>88105225Obvious it's a skill issue. Their transformation abilities improve the more they practice them.But I'd probably limit it to humanoids and foxes, desu.
>>88205206But Tanuki can change into objects IIRC. Why should they be able to do it when Kitsunes can't?
>>88151131The English term for a female fox is a Vixen so yes that trope has been around for a really, really long time
>>88207104Aren't tanuki supposed to be better at shapeshifting than kitsune?
>>88159162>It bothers a lil bit more how all of these fey and spirits and what not are turned into nothing but human with exotic features lacking the symbolic and mystical aspects of their other counterparts tho. But that's universal of fantasy in this soulless age.Yeah because Ovid's Metamorphosis definitely didn't have nymphs, nyads and dryads as a major character type whose primary conflict in life was people and gods trying to fuck them silly.
>>88207295Hell, didn't the Greeks talk up female centaurs pretty hard?
>>88207260Where does it say that? And do they say *why*? Because it could have interesting repercussions if true.
>>88211691Kitsune can only turn into people, but often they have a “tell” that they are a fox, like hiding their tail in their kimono or a fox shaped shadow or their reflection is a fox. Tanuki on the other hand can shape shift both into people (without an easy tell) or objects. There’s a story where a tanuki is freed by an old poor man, and the tanuki transforms into a dancing tea kettle to make the man rich by selling tickets to see it, and the man gives the tanuki a place to live in return.
>>88186644In regards to Kitsune, 'hybrids' absolutely exist, for good or ill, and examples exist within real-world mythology (like Abe no Seimei, who, similarly to Merlin often being considered the child of a succubi, is said to have had a Kitsune mother). Kitsune, particularly those who take pleasure in racking up every kind of 'body count' rarely make good parents; many hybrids perish due to being able to interact with forces they are not prepared for, or are spirited away by their parents or, quite often, are used as living bargaining chips and tools down the line. Established Kitsune-run realms, however, will have a place for hybrids (generally within the court) and in relatively stable kitsune-mortal relationships the child could actually have a relatively happy life, if the Kitsune in question was content to settle. Kitsune are, at the end of the day, magical tricksters who have a very human thought process; they are subject to human failings, and, at the end of the day, if all of their ruses are truly gone and their magics are suppressed, a man with a sufficiently sharp piece of metal could kill one. >>88188321It's that one, yeah.
>>88207260If it was my setting, I'd have it so tanuki are better at shapeshifting in the long term because they have a relatively human mentality in regards to certain topics and are not entirely malevolent.
>>88211691>The fox has seven disguises, but the tanuki has eightwith some regions adding>and the marten has nine>>88212075Foxes are more goal-oriented, tanuki are more community-oriented. A tanuki could live in disguise as a normal human for years, to the point of forgetting it's a tanuki and bearing normal human children.The dark side of these traits is that tanuki from different regions have at times waged bloody war against each other. Also while foxes trick people for personal gain, tanuki trick people just because it's funny; meaning that while an evil tanuki is less *powerful* than an evil fox, it can be far more terrifying.
>>88106929Yeah, we all know that kitsune, selkies and other beast girls come from lame excuses of horny hunters and fishermen.But I wouldn't consider unknowingly fucking a shapeshifter who looks like your species bestiality.
>>88211930Why are their abilities so different though? Also, I hear that Kitsune typically hate Tanuki, could jealousy be why?
>>88214337Maybe.
>>88188321The answer is NIGHTMARE MOON from the cartoon MY LITTLE PONY (2010).
>>88214989Sounds pretty cheesy to me
>>88124999>Eastern and Western fantasy should be kept seperateA lot of notable Japanese anime and games borrow heavily from Western culture and Western sci-fi and fantasy, instead of restricting themselves to samurai and schoolgirls. Off the top of my head there's>Dungeon Meshi>Berserk>Hellsing>Slayers>Resident Evil>Dragon Quest>Dragon's Dogma>Silent Hill>Wolfsmund>Dark Souls>Jojo's Bizarre Adventure>Cowboy BebopThis certainly isn't everything, but chances are you'd enjoy at least one of the above if you haven't already. They're also proof you shouldn't restrict yourself from borrowing elements of foreign culture if you find that interesting, because the resulting mix can be great.Also, I once found a manga with the exact same premise as Adam Sandler's 50 First Dates.
>>88214337How do Kitsune get along with other Yokai besides Tanuki? Any other major rivalries?
>>88101451If what a kitsune is doing is bothering/annoying you, then it's doing its job. That's literally the entire point. Until you learn to ignore them, the angrier and more bothered you get, the more the fox-girls win.
Gentleman, how do we fix OP's bleeding rectum?
>>88214337It's a lot of little things.Like Tanuki typically being greedy, while many Kitsune are servants of Inari, god of(amongst MANY other things) prosperity and trade.
Can't fix perfection.
>>88219171So they're just women with fox ears and tails?
>>88217808Hell, Hideki Anno not only lifted a lot of Evangelion from Western Culture in GENERAL, he specifically aped Gerry Anderson:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB12HNNDDcc
>>88220739Yeesh, how many things is Inari deity of? Also, what are some other reasons Kitsunes and Tanuki might fight about? Just curious, not looking to start a Kitsune/Tanuki war, nope, not me, lol.
>>88221502>perfection>fucked up AI generated garbage
>>88103953>canonical trannydom.It's that one NPC that tells you they're the wife of the half-orc paladin like once every single dialogue option they have yeah? I haven't gotten that far in the game yet but I knew theres something fucked up with that character given the amount of focus they and the half-orc get.
>>88223775Yyyep, Anevia. Used to be a man, fell in love with the half-orc, but the half-orc's a lesbian, so he decided he was fine being a woman if it meant getting a shot at big green.
>>88224163Knew it! I was suspicious of that being the case from the moment I realized that none of your dialogue options with that character allow you to push back in any manner that has any sort of bite or, god forbid, venom to it. Just like with the degenerate couple in Kingmaker.
>>88101451Make them German.
>>88219096I've seen them depicted as fighting the dog-like Yokai I forget the name of.Also pretty much no Yokai gets along with Jorogumo.
>>88223667>Yeesh, how many things is Inari deity of?A lot. Inari is one of those gods you occasionally find where people decided "Wait, we need a god of X? Shit, just pile it under god Y"
>>88221832Why do you think Fox-wives are so common a myth?
>>88232720That's because virtually every culture has associated foxes with feminine beauty for some reason.
>>88232873My guess would be the general perception of them being cute and the agility of their movements, same as cats, incidentally
One tail is enough for me.
>>88232578Inari has more shrines than any other Shinto god by far - besides the dedicated places of worship (including some of the oldest in Japan), many shrines to other gods dedicate a small space on the grounds to Inari, and there are countless roadside altars.Inari's portfolio is so broad that you could almost sum it up as "god of civilisation", or even "god of religion" (overseeing shrines and lending their foxes as a courier service to other gods).
>>88233418I’m going to Japan in October and I really can’t wait to see the Fushimi Inari Shrine.
>>88233498That's some hardcore weebery.
>>88228812No no, the race of selfish wily temptresses has to be Russian.
>>88232578So wait Inari is the Japaese version of Amun? Huh that's fucking NEAT.
>>88233594Not that anon, but the head shrine of Inari is one of the country's biggest tourist destinations. It's got over 10,000 shrine gates and people are still donating more.
>>88214337Foxes were a minor pest in a particular region of Japan, Raccoon Dogs were introduced to the environment and chased them out, proceeding to take their place as a minor pest, and therefore Trickster Spirit in Folklore, with an added side of Magic Animal Race War.
>>88233762I hope they don't run out of space for gates.
>>88233418>God of religionThere's an Isekai Protagonist Cheese strat for ya.
>>88233700There's a hierarchy of gods and Inari isn't at the top, just popular.Kind of like how Thor was more popular than Odin.
>>88102375Wifeability of Kitsune varied by prefecture, unlike the Kumiho of Korea, who were just universally evil shitheads that'd magically become good and doting wives once they'd murdered one hundred men and eaten their livers.
>>88233700https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inari_Ōkami
>>88131772Oni literally got revered so hard in certain parts of Japan they became Kami.
>>88233762>>88233826https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunreihttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KanjōReminder that Inari has been repeatedly cloned.>Kanjō (勧請) in Shinto terminology indicates a propagation process through which a kami, previously divided through a process called bunrei, is invited to another location and there re-enshrined.>Inari is the kami that has been subjected to kanjō more often than any other,[3] and is therefore a good illustration of the process.>The transfer does not necessarily take place from a shrine to another: the new location can be a privately owned object or a kamidana ("god-shelf", or altar) within an individual house. The case is recorded of Inari being re-enshrined in a fox hole[3][4] In fact, the first recorded Inari kanjō, in 842, involved the kami's transfer to Ono no Takamura's scepter.>In 1194, Emperor Go-Toba decided that only Fushimi Inari Shrine could perform any of the parts of the Inari kanjō, however abuses were rampant that the shrine started providing an authenticity certificate with each divided spirit.[3] The process was briefly outlawed nationwide during the Meiji Era, but was reinstated by popular demand. Nowadays, most large Inari shrines will perform it for a fee, sometimes set by the shrine or left to the discretion of the worshiper.[3] As of 1990, Fushimi Inari Shrine had performed it eighty thousand times for private citizens. [3] The faithful are often given the option to give a personal name to their personal kami. At Toyokawa Inari, the worshiper can buy a statue and then participate in the ceremony, called kaigen, to animate it.[3]>When one of Inari's forms is re-enshrined with a different name, it may also be worshiped for a specific function.[3] All the new functions are thereafter assumed to be specialties of the kami, particularly in case of a great success in the re-enshrinement, even when those functions are very far from its original nature, as for instance fishing in Inari's case
>>88233916>clonedYou mean instantiated
>>88233498Be ready to clime a lot of stairs.A Lot Of Stairs
>>88101451We offer them fried tofu and pray they like us enough to not get clingy.
>>88233819I mean, from a certain perspective isn't that what most of them are doing?Bringing "superior" Japanese culture to Isekai settings?
>>88233594I dunno, I’m not really an anime dude, more Samurai Movies, Swords, Mythology, Godzilla/Kaiju kind of guy. Does that still count as weeb?>>88233947That’s what I’ve been told and read (repeatedly), and there will be lots of walking. I’m spending much more time outside walking and am planning to do some hiking once everything outside stops being mud in preparation for the trip.
>>88224163how unrealistic. lesbians generally hate trannies because the things they hate about men is not the body.
>>88235588It is a fantasy game, anon.
>>88101451Do scifi kitsunes count?
>>88237356details now
>>88101487ABSOLUTELY NUTHINSAY IT AGAINHUH!
>>88237498vat grown kitsune wives
>>88238820I'll take one.
>>88237498>"kitsune" is the applicable nickname given by humans thanks to a steep language barrier>alien race of bipedal mammalians which strongly resemble Earth's own Fennec foxes>natural psionics>cultural aesthetic is a mix of Japanese and Arabic>desert homeworld>limited living space around oases + extensive shared burrows + evolutionary history = psychological adaptations for close-quarters habitation>highly social and generally pleasant to be around>strong sense of family and clan>long history of warfare over oasis territories until the clans were subjugated by a powerful psychic warlord who became their first god-king>modern government is mostly handled on the clan level while the god-kings set general policy and arbitrate major disputes
>>88238820Sauce please? Reverse image search is being useless again.
>>88238820Based
Am now imagining a setting with ancient technology that the common people don't understand>Shrines with AIs that can project themselves as holograms; they can appear in different forms as they please, but can't leave>People "possessed by foxes" are wearing a neural interface that makes it look kind of like they have fox ears>Alternately, picture an android that can use a (malfunctioning) hologram project to appear human, and interfaces with a shrine by running nine cables into its back
>>88245752>Android with hologram projectorHas folding and sliding sections to adjust its body proportions, and can adopt a quadrupedal shape for fast travel (using its holograms to disguise itself as an animal)
>>88244567Interface Zero 2.0, a cyberpunk setting for Savage Worlds.You can also buy anime waifu bioforms. They're cheaper because the big eyes give the uncanny valley effect.
>>88247515Thanks anon.>>88245752What would have happened to make it so the people have no idea how their own technology works, or that it even 'is' technology? Loving the idea of sci-fi Kitsunes though.
>>88245752Where would Sci Fi Tanuki figure in?
>>88249714All that takes is a large enough disaster to disrupt the education system for a generation. The Greeks forgot how to read and write after the Bronze Age Collapse.
>>88249866Given the culture it's based on, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if the SciFi Tech was heavily gatekept by a ruling class that died of sheer hikidom.
>>88249866Seriously? What exactly happened to cause that?>>88247515Have you ever played it and done anything with them, especially the Kitsune model?
>>88249761Hermaphroditic race with MASSIVE balls
>>88251356I've played and ran Interface Zero a whole bunch. Every single time I've ran it, at least one player decided to PLAY as a kitsune bioform (or someone who went through genetic hybridization treatment with fox genes). Usually a psychic or with connections to the Yakuza. So I have lots of experience with vat grown cyberpunk kitsune. One of the characters I played had one as his live-in wife, she was a good host whenever the other player characters showed up.
>>88251356Total civilizational collapses happened all over the bronze age world at the same time. New Kingdom Egypt is the only one that came out somewhat intact. Nobody really knows why yet. Famine and drought are major suspects.
>>88247515I want to like Interface Zero, but its setting lore is so stupid.
>>88253969The setup I've taken a liking to is that it started with a normal environmental famine in Greece, which spiraled out into the Trojan War, which in turn led to a chain-reaction of violent migrants and trade disruptions that took out the "Ancient World".
>>88249761The AIs aren't actually shapeshifted animals, so any perceived division is just humans with limited information misinterpreting things.
>>88254182All cyberpunk lore is stupid. What part of it irks you?
>>88256006Horny Chinese virgins take over their government and reinstate the old Confucian ways, Africa randomly becomes the preeminent biotech capital of the world for no explicable reason, the USA balkanizes yet still develops rockets capable of reaching Mars...it's all just a bunch of random shit with zero thought put into it.
>>88101451We make them real.
>>88221502please touch up the hands and toes before posting
>>88233640
>>88143597Nenio also says the party finds her more attractive after finding out she's a kitsune.
>>88101451Don't use them, they're stupid.
>>88151783I most versions Seimei's father was already a wizard (onmyoji) who planned on teaching him the trade. Being half monster just ensured that young Seimei got some major leg up in raw magical power.>>88207295Nymphs were basically low ranked animist spirits/deities. Of course that chicks with bit of the divine ichor in their blood were the hottest things around. As for fey, we should actually include leanan sídhe, known for being beautiful and leading their lovers to very fruitful, inspired but sadly short lives.>>88214337If I remember correctly, the typical explanation is that Kitsune have the power and intelect, while Tanuki have the luck and wit. Thought that's only one version of myth I've heard about.
>>88264291>As for fey, we should actually include leanan sídhe, known for being beautiful and leading their lovers to very fruitful, inspired but sadly short lives.So, do they kill them themselves or what? Are there any other major half-yokai like Seimei in Japanese myth, especially ones that are onmyoji too?
>>88265391I don't know. I honestly don't know.
>>88263021Mommy milkers.
>>88265391>So, do they kill them themselves or what? Details aren't clear, as always with the mythology. They are basically personification of tendency of the great men to die young. In some modern fantasy versions their powers are explained as essentially giving their lover major buff at cost of burning them out in time.>hybridsAlmost unheard of. Seimei was a total freak case. I think that there were some legends about snow monsters (yuki onna) having kids with humans. But as always, legends are murky. Shuten Doji, son of the dragon Orochi, turned into an oni, while his own half human son, Kidōmaru, was a full on oni.
>>88102375hey in my setting the not xinese empire is shadow puppeted by fox spirit who has been consuming and posing as every emperor's wife/mother since the first one who was her actual husband
>>88260977The Mars thing is believable given SpaceX is a private company.
>>88268494A "private company" that survives off billions of government contracts and subsidiaries. SpaceX is as private as Orchestra.
>>88269382Starlink and commercial launch alone would make them profitable. Competing for fedbux is about making Starlink a dedicated money printer for funding a Mars colony.
>>88233640>Ywn have drunk MOMMY Kosaka go ga-ga over you.>ywn have /vt/ be jealous at the fact you're fucking the foxfu and they're not.It hurts, lads. Why does the cartoon fox have to be this way?
>>88269382>government pays a company for its service>"it's not private then"Ok, O "You Didn't Build That" Bama.
>>88270644>company is profitable only because government pumps billions into it>"dude it's totally a private company Mars 2030!"
>>88274167Nice image.
>>88270506>wanting to cuck your fellow vtuber watchers That's going into my compilation d'cringe.
>>88275058Based and Blorg pilled
God I hate bumpfag for keeping this thread on unliving life support for so long
