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Thread question: Do you believe the maester conspiracy (that the order of the maesters and Hightowers plotted to destroy House Targaryen) or do you believe it's false/reaching?

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>>88099449
>Do you believe the maester conspiracy (that the order of the maesters and Hightowers plotted to destroy House Targaryen)
Not Targaryens per-se, but magic.
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>>88099449
The theory is way overblown
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>googling Alys Rivers/aemond Targaryen fanfictions
>There is always a fucking omegaverse or tranny fanfic here and there
What the fuck, when did these even become popular
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>>88099449
Do you believe the maester conspiracy (that the order of the maesters and Hightowers plotted to destroy House Targaryen) or do you believe it's false/reaching?

False/Reaching, considering that there have been Targaryen Maesters and Archmaesters.
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Remember House Stonewell?

Remember the House Blackthorn?

The Ironjaws?

Remember the genderbend Joffrey greentexts?

Remember the genderbend Robbery greentexts?

Remember the genderbend Eddard greentexts?


Remember the genderbend Stannis greentexts?

Remember the genderbend Theon greentexts?
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>Thread question: Do you believe the maester conspiracy (that the order of the maesters and Hightowers plotted to destroy House Targaryen) or do you believe it's false/reaching?
I think it's reaching but that there's a kernal of truth to it, remember the Maesters have always had the study of higher mysteries, and in the forgeing of the Valyrian Steel link, existing Valyrian Steel must be reworked, a process that requires Qohoric spells nowadays. I can see that in a world post dragons, where magic is weaker or almost entirely gone, the contemperary Maesters may disregard or not belive in it, but I don't think Young Pycelle did Summerhall and we know that magic was around then with the Ghost of High Heart, Bloodraven and the fact that noone disputes that dragons existed a few generations ago. Or Maesters seeing the sacrifice and suffering caused by sorcerers using or to gain magic might predjudice them against magic.
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>>88099449
It’s way overblown, everything bad that happened to the Targs was not some plot by the Maesters. I’m not sure there is even a plot by the Maesters to get rid of magic, they probably just have a bias against it.
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>>88099764
What? Where?
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>>88099764
Man, I do.
Female Theon would have averted so many issues...
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>>88100384
>Female Theon gets captured by Ramsay
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>>88099240
>But Brienne tells herself he's a bad person because she wants to keep on hating him
I think it's more that she's so used to being hated and fucked with that she can't believe he's being genuine. When you live your life assuming the worst of others you just naturally lean that way.

It's why it's sweet when in AFFC she briefly wonders if Jaime sent her on her quest to fuck with her only to immediately go "Oh Jaime wouldn't do that"
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>>88099764
>My name is Joy Barantheon, I was left behind with Robb at Winterfell, we will marry in our come of age

>I have only one brother. A stuffy insufferable younger brother. My younger brother, the Crown Prince, the eye of the storm. Should Father and Mother continue their lifelong past-time of driving each other to rages that sooner rather than later one of them breaks the other’s bones and thus sire no more sons, and should my brother die without issue – then, I am heir to the Iron Throne. As it should be. Not my younger brother, but I, the eldest, the storm

>I smile at my brother’s betrothed, the Lady Sansa

>We are doing needlework in one of Winterfell’s tower rooms. A week of visit has taught me that Lady Sansa’s joys are as simple as the furnishings of this drab tower room. Compliment her hair, or her gown, or her shoes, and she will think you’re as good as any gallant knight, come to save her from being helpless enough to get caught by the enemy. The Starks in general are indeed very queer, bratty young children that play with bastards, oh how this would be scandalous on the Red Keep!I don´t think it would be beyond them to lay with a wildling for some gold coins...well, except for one

>Sansa praises my needlework for the third time now, so I widen my smile. “Thank you, my lady. My good septa –” the damned pie-breathed pea-brained creature who believes that I should bottle up my storm to be less than my brother’s, to be less than my father’s – “urges me to excel in the fine womanly arts. But with your execuse, I think there is somewhere that I should be at the moment. Can you finish this for me?” I say leaving my half finished work aside, leaving a confused Sansa behind

>I pass by the ironborn, and I can feel his eyes and his cynical smirk. He could be a pleasant diversion for a while and for a moment I smile thinking about how angry my father would be. But he is not the man I want
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>>88100746
Brienne is a pretty hate filled person for some time, she does get nicer though. For example, with Nimble Dick she laments mistrusting him so much.

It's also Hyle Hunt was a big cunt to her at first with that wager so she doesn't like him to start, Nimble Dick on the other hand was someone she never met and so never did anything bad.

Side note, did GRRM really name the dude Dick Crabb and then have to immediately come up with the nickname Nimble Dick so it wouldn't be such an obvious sexually transmitted disease joke?
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>>88100889
Bundled in furs I step outside, the boys were praticing their swordmanship. My lord, and the only thing that made my stay here suportable, and his bastard brother

>A gentle cough caused both of them to turn their heads. They see me stood watching them. Keep smiling, keep smiling I tell myself. I fare better when I smile. I can have anyone eating at the palm of my hand when I smile well and curtsey well

>And not just any smile. But dimpled smile. Gentle smile and girlishly delighted smile eating each other, and both of them winning

>The bastard glanced at his brother, and predictably, Robb had turned bright red, as he always did whenever I was around. At the bastard’s feet, Greywind gave a low growl. I hate these animals.

>“I was wondering if I could borrow one of you for an escort?” I said, looking up at them demurely through my lashes "I've sent your lord father to the dungeons so I may spend more time with you without parental interference. Does that not please you my love?"

>He laughts at my jest

> “I was hoping to take a walk down by the river, but it isn’t safe in these parts. I need someone to guard me from brigands, or wild animals.” I say coyly.

>“At your service, my lady,” Robb said, springing to her side and offering her his arm. His direwolf, Greywind, padded alongside, I give the animal a wary look as I grasp Robb’s elbow. I´m sure the bastard is smilling.

>"Is it okay if we continue other time Jon?" he says to the boy. The bastard nods. He might know my charm,all bastards are ugly looking things with devious tendencies.

>“Oh, but you’re hurt!” I exclaim, touching his bruised knuckles with a show of tenderness.

>“A mere scratch,” Robb said loftily, as we set off together, the fool forgeting to put away his pratice sword. The sooner we left the bastard and his wolf´s sight, the better. When we marry I will send to Robb a beautiful white Pelt made of direwolf skin, I´m sure he would find it romantic.
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>>88099449
>Do you believe the maester conspiracy (that the order of the maesters and Hightowers plotted to destroy House Targaryen) or do you believe it's false/reaching?
I believe it's 50/50, I think house Hightower just wanted to be in the main family throne and they conspired to consolidate their hold in it, if Viserys didnt keep rhaenyra as his heir and if house velaryon wasnt at their peak of power during that era then house hightower would've likely succeeded
meanwhile robert's rebellion does seem to be a conspiracy to either keep the targaryens in check or to depose them in favor of steffon or robert
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>>88100900
>all bastards are ugly looking things with devious tendencies.
Catelyn would love this Joy Baratheon
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>>88100900
>okay
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>>88100898
This is my point. With Richard Crabb we see how she thinks about her trust issues .

>He shook his head, muttering, as he made a bed on a pile of hay. “I never knew such a mistrustful maid as you.”
>Brienne curled up beneath her cloak, with Podrick yawning at her side. I was not always wary, she might have shouted down at Crabb. When I was a little girl I believed that all men were as noble as my father.
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Does anyone play the card game? Seems like its even more dead in the water than LotR
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>>88100625
I don't think it would ever come to that.
Female Theon would be Robb tomboy girlfriend. At worst she'd have died with him in the Riverlands, but even then things would have probably gone differently as Robb would never have been avaible for mariage from the start.
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>>88102142
Ugh...what could have been
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>>88102208
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>>88102208
>>88102220
My wife
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>>88102208
>big rack
big based
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Why aren't there any Dothraki warrior women?
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>>88102208
>Female Theon fucking the Miller instead of the Miller's Wife
>Female Theon flirting with Robb, Jon, and even Ned
>Female Theon /ss/ Bran and Rickon
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>>88102735
kino
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>>88102435
purely social and not biological factors
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>>88102142
>>88102208
>>88102735
What if all of Ned's kids (plus Jon) were gender flipped along with Theon?
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>>88103363
>Male Sansa getting terrorized by a female Joffrey
I'm going to the hottest of the seven hells.
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>>88103363
Begs the question what would happen to Jane Snow

Would Ned marry her off?
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>>88103363
>catelyn has a son that looks like him (Arry Stark)
Would she still hate Jane Snow?
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>>88103487
Yes, but maybe a little less
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>>88103363
>Robyn Stark
>Jeyne Snow
>Sandor Stark
>Harrion (called Arry) Stark
>Branda Stark
>Raya Stark

I'd read it.

What would femTheon's name be?
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>>88099449
This post is mainly for the /his/ lurkers itt: what characters seem directly inspired off a person in history?
I'll start, Aegon VI bears a lot of similarities to Charles Edward Stuart, The Young Pretender.
They both are exile Kings, they both come from the previously deposed dynasty, they both have limited foreign support, and Aegon seems to be heading towards a very Culloden-esque end (few hollow victories, being forced to fight in an open field)
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>>88103548
Tianna? Theodora? Teora? or worst of all
>Tabatha "Tammy" Greyjoy
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>>88098131
I actually like Asher
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>bella offers gendry a chance to "ring her bell"
If you knew Bella was your half-sister, would you still ring her bell?
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>>88104058
Yeah, no question.
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>>88103363
>Blonde Rickon
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>>88104058
i like the baratheons
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>>88104148
They're the coolest House, that's for sure.
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>>88103363
I think swapping them all is not as fun as just some of them.

One by one:
>Jane Snow is promised to be married off to some lesser knight, after Bran gets cripped she remains on Winterfell, and likely travel with him to beyond the Wall

>Female Robb gets married with Joffrey instead of Sansa. I think she would have a clearer picture of who Joffrey really is than Sansa, and would try to be a "proper wife" out of her honor, but wouldn't hide that she thinks that Joffrey is garbage.

>Male Sansa dreams to be a stereotypial gallant knight - I think it would be funny if we kept female Robb and make Sansa

>Male Arya is almost identical

>Female Bran and Rickon are also pretty similar

>>88102735
>>88102208
>>88102142
>>88100625
>>88100384
Female Theon would /ss/ Robb ASAP - They have like, 5 years gap between them, right?

>Robb having a forbidden love with fem Theon while they both go away to "hunt", eventualy she abandon the Ironborn to stay with him
>Robb sends fem Theon away to negotiate with Greyjoys during the war
>Have Balon insult her non stop after arriving, and openly declare that he is going to sent men to attack the North
>Have Fem Theon murder Balon IN SECRET
>Victarion becomes "KING OF THE IRONBORN"
>Victarion is dumb, and is manipulated to join Robb and steal shit from Lannisters, and get his hands in all those gold and wifes
>Asha is secretly helping out, to guide Victarion to not go full idiot
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>>88103487
Yes, but in the petty way women hate other women, especially if she's hotter than Robin. Imagine the salt if there's a living reminder of the hottest piece of ass Ned supposedly got.
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where's the reddit theorist list poster? miss that lil guy like you wouldn't believe
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>>88104252
>Victarion
>Not go full idiot
I still remember the passage where Asha says she and Victarion can rule together and he immediately pops a boner cause he thinks she's suggesting marriage
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>>88099449
>Thread question: Do you believe the maester conspiracy (that the order of the maesters and Hightowers plotted to destroy House Targaryen) or do you believe it's false/reaching?

No, I don't believe there is a "conspiracy" within the Citadel but I do think the Maesters (probably correctly) see themselves as the smartest and thus best qualified to rule and consider magic as just an aspect of "science" as they know it.
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>>88100898
>Nimble Dick
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>>88100912
>meanwhile robert's rebellion does seem to be a conspiracy to either keep the targaryens in check or to depose them in favor of steffon or robert

I hold to a theory that Jon Arryn and Tywin Lannister were the founders of a secret movement of the high nobility to essentially form a parliament of nobles and force a constitutional monarchy on the Targaryens, brought about by Aerys II misrule and madness (and possible due to House Targaryen's lack of dragons) but Rhaegar derailed or at least delayed this, with his secret plan to remove Aerys from power on grounds of mental incapacity, at which point the plan was to force a constitutional monarchy on Rhaegar (why Tywin provided the funding for the Tourney at Harrenhal).

But all this went out the window when Rhaegar "kidnapped" Lyanna Stark.

When Aerys sent a letter to Jon Arryn demanding the head of Eddard Stark, (and ONLY Eddard) Jon saw an opportunity to remove the Targaryens and get his candidate (and surrogate son) on the Iron Throne when Jon Arryn would be Hand Of The King and so he claimed that Aerys also wanted his own cousin Robert Baratheon's head and this propaganda provided a focus for the rebellion on a blood relative, making it more of a "change in administration" then outright revolution.

This caused a break in Jon Arryn and Tywin Lannister's secret relationship, as Tywin had been expecting to become the "President-Prime Minster of the Parliamentary Constitutional Monarchy of Westeros", which is why the Westermen sat out the rebellion until the last moments, when it was clear Robert had won and now the Lannisters needed to get back into the fold, thus Jon Arryn suggesting that Robert marry Cersei Lannister which puts the Lannisters in the mix while Jon Arryn calls the shots as Hand Of The King.
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>>88103593
>Aegon seems to be heading towards a very Culloden-esque end (few hollow victories, being forced to fight in an open field)

I believe Aegon the Reconqueror with get nuked along with Kingslanding by Daenerys.
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>>88104988
Assuming Rhaegar hadn't abducted Lyanna what was Tywin's plan for Cersei? Who was he planning to marry her off to? As far as marriage pacts she's his best piece in the Rebellion era and the fact he hadn't already married her off suggests he was keeping her in reserve for some reason. Renly? A Tyrell?
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>>88103593
If only he'd won. Charlie got so close to taking London
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>>88105019
>Assuming Rhaegar hadn't abducted Lyanna

Tywin Lannister and Jon Arryn along with Rickard Stark and Hoster Tully then force a constitutional monarchy with a parliament on Rhaegar, now beholden to these nobles for putting him on the Iron Throne.

If I were Tywin, I'd marry Cersei off to Robert, which gives me an in with House Baratheon and counter balance to Jon Arryn's influence on the Stormlanders and with Jaime Lannister now a Kingsguardman for Rhaegar, Tywin has an in with the monarchy.

The political maneuvering now happens in Parliament; who is Prime Minster? Who makes up the Cabinet, which houses sit on associated committees, etc.
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>>88099764
I wasn't here for any of these, sadge
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>>88105158
Robert is still betrothed to Lyanna so I'm not sold on that one.

GoT Parliament kino could be fun though
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>>88104058
I'd ring it even harder 2bh
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>>88105019
He seemed interested in a Tully match, so probably Edmure.
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>>88104988
>and ONLY Eddard
No
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>>88105247
Yeah that makes sense. I was thinking Ned to get slotted into the Northern alliance but Edmure gets that but stronger plus a lordship of the Riverlands
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>>88105019
No one because Tywin is stupid. The moment Aerys refused to marry Cersei to Rhaegar, Tywin should have gone to someone else like Jon Arryn's heir or Robert himself
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>>88105282
To be fair to Tywin, Jon Arryn had no clear heir and Robert was a young lord who'd be choosing his own match and had oneitis for Lyanna. For all we know he tried
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>>88105273
>Edmure married to Cersei
Jesus fucking Christ how shitty would that marriage be?
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>>88105336
They're both cheating on each other.
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>>88105340
I'll bet you Edmure wished he married a Frey at that point
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>>88105336
Now that's a dark thought
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>>88105331
>Jon Arryn had no clear heir
He had Elbert.
>Robert
When Cersei was rejected by Aerys, Steffon Baratheon was still alive and friends with Tywin, so they could have arranged a marriage between their kids
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>>88104252
19 year old Esgred (fem Theon) and 14 year old Robb. When did she start to molest him?
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>>88105543
The very first-time femTheon saw Robb staring at her boobs and he blushed
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>>88105482
Elbert was a nephew and Jon was still trying to have a son. Tywin could hardly risk her marrying some nobody because Lysa Tully started popping out sons
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>tfw have been a big fan of the books
>last re-read was in like 2014.
>autistically want to know everything about the settings I get into
>have taken the plunge and opened back up world of ice and fire before I read AGOT again
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>>88106111
>Hasn't re-read in 9 years
>I've re-reread 5 times in 2 years
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Lucerys Velaryon sex with mom
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>>88103363
>Lord Eddard's eldest child, Lady Ruhnella Stark, the spitting image of her mother Lady Catelyn, fond of songs and gowns, a favorite of the castle, though not an airheadded southron, she has had her father's values and instructions drilled into her from a young age
>Jeyne Snow, Lord Eddards bastard daughter from Robert's Rebellion, a sullen girl with all of her father's northern features, but also a haunting beauty, Ruhnella's shadow and best friend, she envies her trueborn sister's marriage prospects but loves her all the same, is half a horse and fond of blue winter roses and harpists
>Samwell Stark, Heir of Winterfell, and his mother's pride and joy, has all the look of a Knight of Trident, he even favours the Seven above his father's Gods, he dreams of becoming a great knight of the soutb and loves the songs of the Kingsguard and Aemon the Dragonknight
>The second son, Arys (Arry) Stark a boisterous youth, those old enough to remember consider him the double of a young Ned, while his older brother trains with sword and lance and prays to the Seven, Arry has his Axe, his round shield and the Old Gods, while Sam wants to be a knight Arry wants to be an adventurer like Lomas Longstrider, his favorite sibling is Jenye and has promised her that when he raises a keep to support Sam, Arry will find Jeyne a good husband
>Betha Stark, the middle daughter, an adventurous youth, and bane of her mother, a mix of both parents' features, a free spirit, fond of animals, especially birds and her pony, scary stories of darkest winter and climbing castle walls rather than love songs and dancing. She is known to skip her needle work to feed the crows crisp autunm pears she cuts with a dragonglass blade
>Rikka, the baby, a stubborn little girl fond of sweets and the kennel hounds
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>>88107071
>ruhnella
Is that even a name in ASOIAF?
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>>88107088
Lady Hornwood, maybe misspelled
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>>88107071
stick with these name: >>88103548

>>88107088
no, it's Donella.
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>>88107407
>Donella
the ninja turtle?
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>>88107071
>haunting beauty
Based and Daynepilled
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>>88100625
>Male Theon get captured by female Ramsay
>despair, but also an erection.jpg
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Is he ever gonna finish the sixth book? Or even write more novels in the universe. I liked Dunk & Egg.
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>>88106249
I'm re listened to the series roughly the same as you. But I've also done a thing where I go through the series only listening to certain characters only. You notice things that way

And a few times I've gone "fuck it" I'm just reading Feast. Which is my favorite
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>>88107943
If I could give George any power it would be that of Multiple Man. One George can write Dunk and Egg, one can write Fire and Blood 2, one can work with HBO, one can only watch Football, and finally a council of 100 Gurms to finish the main series.
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>>88104252
Why do your female character immediadly go lesbian while the original didn't butfuck each other?
I think your brain is pornaddled
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>>88107943
he's too hung up on Targaryen background fluff, he doesn't care about anything else anymore

he'd rather work on another boring-ass Fire & Blood than Dunk & Egg or Winds of Winter.
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>>88108020
He make no mention of lesbians, thought?
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>>88099449
Kill Maesters, Behead Maesters, Give Measters over to Quyburn, Flay Maesters in the Dreadfort, Vaporise Maesters with Wildfire, Sacrifice Maesters to the Weirwoods, Crucify Maesters, Ride Maesters down, Feed Maesters to Dragons, Throw Maesters from the top of the High Tower
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>>88108266
enjoy having illiterate children who can't point to Dorne on a map
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>>88108266
>hates an entire order because the guy who took her virginity got himself killed and Ned left her husband's bones in the south
>people take her insane ramblings seriously
lol
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>>88105200
>Robert is still betrothed to Lyanna so I'm not sold on that one.

Oops, you're right, I forgot that part. In which case Cersei's value as a bride is lessened but still of value. Mayhaps Tywin Lannister and Hoster Tully agree to marry her to Edmure or Tywin looks to bring the Reach in on his side with a marriage to Willas Tyrel?
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>>88102735
>>Female Theon /ss/ Bran and Rickon
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>>88108266
mommy
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>>88108020
what are you banging on about? speak plainly
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>>88102735
>>Female Theon flirting with Robb, Jon, and even Ned
Catelyn would go nuclear
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>>88108266
I’d do it for Barbrey. She’s best girl.
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>>88108020
Wut? Theon girl is the only female chracter mentioned.

>>88107071
Pretty good.
I always loved the idea of What Ifs or to think how small changes change the narrative. Here are some proposals on the same vein:

>What if Jaime was a woman, and Cersei was a man?

>What if all Baratheons were girls?

>What if Eddard was?
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>>88103593
Stannis is inspired to a great deal by Tiberius, or at least the take on him from "I, Claudius" according to GRRM I believe
the characters liftede from the Anarchy era in ASOIAF are too obvious so won't go into that

Though GRRM is always good at mixing inspirations from historical. Less original when lifting shit from a certain book series though. The war of the five kings is sort of a mix between The Anarchy and the storyline of the Accursed kings. Bobby B = If Robert Artois was the king. Otherwise pretty much exactly the same character
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>>88108022
>he'd rather work on another boring-ass Fire & Blood than Dunk & Egg
But... I want more Dunk comics
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>>88108355
Northern girls I'm telling ya
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>>88108266
She STILL thinking about that dick
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>>88108020
are you projecting? as someone who ONLY watches Lesbian porn i would have noticed
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>>88103593
stannis is a mix of Agamemnon, tiberius from I, Claudius and Richard III
I always felt like Aerys II was a reference to John Lackland
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Speaking of Rule 63 remember this from the last thread? I sure do
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>>88105269
> > and ONLY Eddard
> No

It makes no sense for Aerys II to demand Robert Baratheon's head along with Eddard Stark's, he may be crazy but he can read a map as well as anyone (as can his advisors) and see that the Stormlands are literally right nextdoor to Kingslanding and the last thing he needs, is yet another rebel house against him.

Sure, Robert was betrothed to Lyanna but that's not a guaranteed contract and neither he nor the Stormlanders had risen in revolt, in fact "Robert's Rebellion" really ought to be called "Eddard's (or the Stark's) Rebellion" as they are injured party but lacking royal blood, Eddard would make a poor choice as a replacement king.

Meanwhile, it makes perfect sense for Jon Arryn to _claim_ Aerys wants to kill Robert, (and presumably wipe out House Baratheon) as this amplifies the perception among the nobility of king's madness; if he's willing to execute his own cousin for no reason, where do they stand?

No, Jon Arryn was a cunning guy and saw the opportunity to bring other Westerosi nobles to Robert's cause (or at least sit out the fight) and most importantly, bring in Robert and the Stormlords against House Targaryen.
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>>88108906
Isn't that corpse queen wife of the night's king
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>>88105336
>>Edmure married to Cersei
>Jesus fucking Christ how shitty would that marriage be?

It's a bad deal for ANYONE who marries Cersei...
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>>88105897
>Elbert was a nephew and Jon was still trying to have a son.

Jon Arryn appears to have abandoned any hope for a son of his own until the Rebellion happened, at which point he (grudgingly) took Lysa Tully as his wife but this was clearly done to bring Hoster Tully onboard and not for dynastic reasons.
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>>88108266
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>>88108780
>But... I want more Dunk comics

I want a Dunk & Egg tv series but I have given up all hope of Hollywood ever making any kinda accurate adaption of anything anymore...
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>>88104824
>>88105017
>>88108937
>>88109009
>>88109034
stop spamming your shitty casting please, take it to /tv/ if you have to
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I hope Theon reunites with his mother
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>>88109212
"In her final years on Pyke, Lady Alannys could not sleep. She would wander the halls at night with a candle, looking for her sons. "Maron?" she would call shrilly. "Rodrik, where are you? Theon, my baby, come to Mother." Many a time Asha had watched the maester draw splinters from her mother's heels of a morning, after she had crossed the swaying plank bridge to the Sea Tower on bare feet."
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>>88109212
Yeah, he deserves something good to happen to him, considering all the shit he’s been through.
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>>88108947
no
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>>88108948
Well speaking of genderbening would Cersei fuck her twin sister? She's bi already and it would be the ultimate form of narcissism
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>>88108973
and still no sons. Sweet Robin is for sure Petyr's kid
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>>88109212
Is she does she probably won't even recognize him
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>>88109318
Retarded theory with no basis. Timeline does not fit, Lysa herself denies the possibility of Robert being Petyrs. Sweetrobin is a sickly kid because his father is 70 years old and Lysa's womb being damaged.
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>>88109360
>he doesn't know Petyre's dick transcends time, space and logic
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>>88109360
>Timeline
They were at court together in KL they had all the time in the world

>Denies
more like confirms

>“Poo to my court. I have waited so long, I could not bear to wait another moment.” She put her arms around him. “I want to share your bed tonight, my sweet. I want us to make ANOTHER child, a brother for Robert or a sweet little daughter.”

Also he doesn't have blonde hair like a true Arryn
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>>88109395
>more like confirms
"I gave you my maiden's gift. I would have given you a son too, but they murdered him with moon tea, with tansy and mint and wormwood, a spoon of honey and a drop of pennyroyal. It wasn't me, I never knew, I only drank what Father gave me . . ."
Where does she confirm it.

Petyr was still working in Gulltown when Robin was born. Petyr himself loathes Lysa and would never lay with her willingly even moreso when it brings him huge risk
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>>88109395
>ANOTHER child
She's speaking about the abortion.
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>>88109499
Also, Jon Arryn's hair color was never specified
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>>88109571
AFFC or Winds of Winter mentions it's sandy blonde
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>>88102435
probably because women are expected to have as many kids as possible, and also take charge of the logistics around warbands. any girl who might want to be a warrior would have a hard time finding time/energy to train when they're expected to do cooking/cleaning/hauling/sewing/childcare around the clock
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>>88109499
>with tansy
Catelyn trying to figure out who Tansy was only to realize it was the tea was so heart breaking
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>>88109591
Makes sense. The Arryns pride themselves on their pure Andal blood, and the Andals are consistently described as:

>The Andals were the first, a race of tall, fair-haired warriors
>But one people, tall and fair-haired, made courageous and indomitable by their faith, succeeded in their escape from Valyria. And those men are the Andals.
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>>88102220
Literally BUILT for BBC (Big Bolton Cock)
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>>88109514
95% of the ASOIAF theories are based on people misreading the text.
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>>88110039
so you DONT think quentyn martell is alive?
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>>88110068
Fuck off preston
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>>88104988
>a secret movement of the high nobility to essentially form a parliament of nobles and force a constitutional monarchy on the Targaryens,
Where would they get the idea of a constitutional monarchy from? To my knowledge, the only forms of democracy that exist within Planetos are found in the Free Cities, and even then, they tend to be pure democracies with no 'kingly figure' or elective non-hereditary monarchies
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>>88110088

>Has had multiple jobs in government including the CIA
>Gets to travel the world
>Multiple college degrees
>Beautiful wife and two sons
>Used to run marathons
>Is an absolute work horse who knows how to manage his time
>Makes theory videos of ASOIAF
>Makes analysis videos of Game of Throns and House of the Dragon
>Streams constantly and collabs with other ASOIAF YouTubers
>Inspired Glidus to continue making videos
>6'5 Democrat with many progressive views especially towards women
>Has the energy to do all this and not have any mental breakdown or post whiney fag shit just does what he loves
>Got to meet GURM
>Collabing with writers to make Winds of Winter himself for funsies
>Knows multiple languages

fuck you Preston is based!
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>>88104988
>>88108937
>It makes no sense for Aerys II to demand Robert Baratheon's head
Lyanna was Robert's betrothed, killing her kin was a de facto declaration of war against Robert and so Aerys was (in his mad head) moving to curb that obvious threat
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>>88110300
I don’t think many fans of the series quite get is how threatening to the entire political order Aerys II’s actions were. To begin with, to arrest the heir to a Great House immediately raises the possibility that the crown might arrest the heirs of the other Great Houses while maintaining the troubling position that the Crown can kidnap the children of the Great Houses with impunity. But to then summon Rickard Stark and murder him rather than grant him a fair trial not only discredits royal justice but brings into question the physical safety of the Lords Paramount of the Seven Kingdoms – if one law-abiding Lord Paramount can be executed on a whim, any of them can. In retrospect, it’s rather amazing that any House took the Targaryen’s side in the Rebellion.

In feudalism, lords sacrifice autonomy and other rights to the king for protection. Rickard Stark was summoned to court, and there was seized, charged with treason, denied his due process, and executed in mockery of his lordly rights.

Eddard and Robert, the de jure Lords Paramount are threatened with death despite not being involved in any crime, confirming the hypothesis that all Lords Paramounts’ lives are at the mercy of the royal whim.

In feudalism, the one big crime for a king is tyranny. Violating his own feudal oaths gives lords the right (some would even say the duty) to depose him.. Eddard and Robert were under the very real threat of death, Jon Arryn was commanded to forfeit his wards (a violation of the sacred guest right mandating that a host protect any guest from harm whilst under his care) to a tyrannical order, and refusal was thus, a right and proper thing. Even Hoster Tully, bound by one oath to aid the Starks and another oath to the king, found the choice made for him when Aerys violated his feudal overlordship and thus, violated it for all of his vassals.
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>>88110291
>>6'5 Democrat with many progressive views especially towards women
You ruined it
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>>88110394
like you ruined your greentext
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>>88110291
>Has had multiple jobs in government including the CIA
First sentence and you are already wrong about him being based
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>>88110471
the amount of government money and assurances he gets from that helps his family. There is nothing more based than providing for one's own family.
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>>88099764
What was that about Stonewell and Blackthorn?
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>>88108705
>>What if Eddard was a girl?
There would now be two Lyannas, one bold and tomboyish, the other much more shy. At very least Cersei would have been cucked out of the throne as Robert would have had a backup waifu.
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>>88107965
I love you anon, Feat is the best one and I reread it often.
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>>88108948
I wonder how long Rhaegar would have made her happy. A night? A week maybe? Once he started talking about dragon dreams she'd start fucking Jaime again.
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>>88110088
Preston only believes that the text is deliberately ambigous to leave the possibility open.
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>>88111549
it's also the favorite of Preston Jacobs
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>>88111788
that IS what Gurm is doing. Leaving so many things open ended so he can do whatever he wants with it later
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Sire, a woods witch has been rumored to exist in the King's wood. The small folk go to her for potions and the like but it's said that she can see a mans future and even has a tonic that will make said man more virile in bed. Shall we invite her to court?

Also the High Septon wishes to create a new holiday based on one of the seven. He would like your input on which god should be celebrated and how would we do so. But advises against choosing the Stranger.

And finally a new sport in the Westerlands has arisen where those with horses race each other for a champions purse. It would seem smaller rider and those who can acquire Dornish horses win the most. Would you like to compete or send someone to do on your behalf?
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>>88112550
>invite some wood hag to court? are you really believing that nonsense or are you trying to make a fool of me?
>of course a father. we should accent that the king is ruling by the law of the gods and the king is vicar of father.
>buy few of those dornish stallions anonymously and try do breed them
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>>88099449
>by some unholy bullshit get slotted into the head of Gregor Clegane before he starts tormenting his entire family and keep
what do
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>>88112665
Rape Elia but don't kill her children
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>>88112665
Get an early start. Oh, and shove the dwarf up Tywin´s arse. They ought to actually have some family bonding
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>>88112689
Bad man
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>>88112665
Do I suffer from the debilitating headaches as well?
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>>88112689
absolutely devilish anon

>>88112745
>and shove the dwarf up Tywin´s arse
fitting seeing as Tyrion got landed with keeping the sewers flowing by Tywin

>>88112782
let's say they're still bad but not enough to make a man snoring too loud drive you into a fit of murderous rage; on the worst days you have to retire into a dark and quiet room but most days you're functional or on a spot of opium to take the edge off.
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>>88112665
Keep my brother away from fire
Treat ladies with respect
Protect Elia and her children
Take long hot baths for my headaches
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>>88112630
>He doesn't want to know what will happen on the morrow
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>>88112896
>landed with keeping the sewers
that a thread injoke or something from the books/show I forgot?
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>>88112782
If I skip a meal, or it's too hot, or I don't drink enough water, or if I drink a tiny bit of alcohol that happens to me already so...
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>>88112689
boo hiss
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>>88112775
>>88112896
>>88113143
Alright, alright. Chill fags, I will kill children too
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>>88112933
>is the second coming of Ser Duncan the Tall
absolutely fucking based

>>88113117
It might entirely be a show thing I can't remember but in season 2(?) Tyrion mentions to Varys that when he turned 16 he was put in charge of the sewers and cisterns of the Rock/Lannisport
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>>88099449
Hey loretists, what are your predictions for the TWOW prologue chapter? My headcanon is that it's going to be Archibald Yronwood or Ser Gerris Drinkwater at the start of the Battle of Fire.
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>>88113451
it's confirmed that jeyne westerling will show up so theories usually point to someone in her party that is supposed to bring her back to the crag
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>>88113457
>>88113451
It's going to the Maester for Jeyne Westerling's family delivering her baby, Robbs' baby.
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>>88113539
Do you people, you know, read the books?
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>>88110347
>Rickard Stark was summoned to court, and there was seized, charged with treason, denied his due process, and executed in mockery of his lordly rights.

i mean richard Stark son was seen publicly outside of kings landing threatening to murder Rhaegar. Which already is arguably sedition or treason on it own.

> Even Hoster Tully, bound by one oath to aid the Starks and another oath to the king, found the choice made for him when Aerys violated his feudal overlordship and thus, violated it for all of his vassals.

Only reason why hoster joined was because Ned married catlyn, It's a bit of a mistake to argue that hoster tully is more honorable than he actually was.
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>>88114521
Hoster is the only person who could have taught Littlefinger to scheme as he did. On his deathbed, he's still bitching about Brynden not following orders. Guys a cunt.
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>>88113631
Do you?
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>>88113631
>Read
I listen on Audible™
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>>88114532
Also didn't Hoster massacre that one village during the rebellion?

He was always the most scheming and Tywin-like of the Tully, Stark, Arryn, and Baratheon alliance.
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>>88114678
Yes, and they still haven't recovered, also made his daughter abort (and it almost killed her I think)
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>>88114717
It's also implied it fucked her fertility up forever, she had a lot of stillbirths and miscarriages after that with Jon Arryn. Catelyn never had that issue, and Edmure had no fertility issues either with Roslin, so it seems to indicate Hoster permanently fucked up Lysa's womb with the bootleg moon tea.
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>>88114717
Lysa not coming to visit him probably made him go mad after book one

During book one he was coherent till Catelyn said Lysa wasn't showing up. Then in the next book he's all "Tansy... forgive me" and not knowing where he is"
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>Sybell: Your lord father said that Raynald should have joy of him, if all went as we hoped.
>Jaime: Joy is my late uncle Gerion's natural daughter. A betrothal can be arranged if that is your wish, but any marriage will need to wait. Joy was nine or ten when last I saw her.
>Sybell: His natural daughter? You want a Westerling to wed a bastard?
>Jaime: No more than I want Joy to marry the son of some scheming turncloak bitch. She deserves better.
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>>88115478
Fucking hate this whore
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>>88115951
>daughter could be the queen (or mistress) of a kingdom
>what if we were rich minor lords instead?
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>union of both Targaryen and Hightower blood, combining the greatest powers of the world into one
>rides the largest dragon in the world
>trains with the sword, but doesn't give a shit about tourneys
>studies history and philosophy
>lost an eye to gain a dragon
>loyal and honorable, but passionate and cruel when necessary
>gladly defends his brother's right to the throne, but knows the crown would look better on his head
>identifies cravens, traitors, bastards
>starts wars because it's cool
>burns the riverlands, then becomes the ancestor of half their nobility
>has big tiddy goth gf

He's based.
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>>88116925
I like him cause he's intelligent, nihilistic, and with a wicked sense of humour.
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>>88115478
>You want a Westerling to wed a bastard?
She reminds me of Unwin and Gormon Peake. Think themselves all high and mighty when in reality are land-poor and should accept whatever they are given
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>This post is mainly for the /his/ lurkers itt: what characters seem directly inspired off a person in history?
Stannis is uncannily similar to Alexandr Kolchak but I doubt a lot that it was done on purpose.
>famous naval commander
>forced to fight on land
>when civil war grips the land he intervenes to restore order
>foreign support makes people distrust him
>wins his biggest victories in the frozen north
>the tables turn and his situation becomes worse
>makes a great ice march as a last resort
>probably will meet a sad end

>obsessed with duty
>still cheats on wife
>dour and uncharismatic
>balding

I mean just look at pic relates
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>>88111047
I think Robert wouldn't have eyes for Lyanna if he and F-Ned were still fostered together. I don't think either would notice, it'd be like Tomo Chan is a girl, where Robert desperately tries to not notice his best mate is a chick. Brandon, would probably try to get the two together, after he and Robert fight and he decides he's an alright bloke.

Lyanna would probably help because it'd break her betrothal with the stag. Rhaegar might try to snatch both sisters cause he's a targ fuck, and seven help him if he does, his canon death would seem like a mercy compared to what he'd get at Robert's hands the moment he caught sight of him. Maybe he'd woo Lyannas as he did in canon and try to kidnap Eddara when she was less open to his advances, being an honorable and chaste meg, and that sparks the rebellion

Could see Tywin trying to grasp for power in the days after the war, arranging for Jaime to marry Chick Ned and failing when Robert practically shoves him back into his white coat, and forgetting that Northern maids aren't helpless flowers and losing a henchmen or two in assassination attempts.

If Benjen still joins the night watch, Robert will piss in Stannis' face and make him temporary warden of the north until Him and Ned can have a spare to inherit the realm.
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>>88117114
Myrielle Peake is built for Aegon III to marry, deflower, and impregnate (not necessarily in that order)
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Was there ever any explanation for why tech hasn't advanced in thousands of years, besides the constant warfare, supernaturally-long winters, and backstabbing?
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>>88117594
((maesters))
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>>88117594
George only pays lip service to realism. Also, the Westerosi are retarded, no matter what part of that godforsaken continent they're from. Essos at least has the excuse of being buttfucked by dragons for most of known history
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>>88117668
Though I feel it bears mentioning that it has progressed, just glacially slow cause Mr pork'n'pie has a fetish for extensive history. The Andal invasion, for example, pretty much uplifted Westeros from the bronze age.
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>>88117594
Tech is advancing, just in slower rate than ours. Maesters are retarded and write history like it was always in middle-ages like theirs.
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>>88117679
I think these huge periods of time are another thing he took from Tolkien but without understanding how it worked (again).
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>>88115478
Fucking Sybell. She’s great.
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>>88117915
*Fuckinfg Love Sybell, I meant.
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>>88116925
>ill never kiss him
it hurts.
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>>88115478
Poor Reynald, he's a good kid. Tried to free Grey Wind.
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>Lionel Baratheon, black of hair
>Joffrey Baratheon, yellow of hair...
how about
>Aerys Targaryen, white of hair
>Rhaegar Targaryen, white of hair
>Jon Snow, black of hair...

Before you say black hair is dominant trait, Rhaegars mom was a Dornegro.
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>>88118221
I mean, Ned already knows that Jon’s his and Ashara’s son.
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>>88118221
Aegon's mum was from Dorne and his older sister resembled her. Rhaegar's parents and grandparents were siblings and obviously not Dornish. There have been several cases of Targ kids not looking Valyrian.
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>>88118221
Cause he was looking into the Baratheon...
Also plot convenience, since there is no dna test Martin needed a way for Ned to get that Robert was cucked. Don't have to look too deep into hair and eyes colours like it was a real world, it's a book, it's written by a fat lazy guy.
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>>88118243
you're telling me that Dornegro genes are weaker than white boi baratheon and stark genes as far as dark hair is concerned?
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>>88118272
Yeah. First Men genes are strong as fuck.
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>>88107071
>Jeyne Snow
since jon snow is a better swordsman and robb the better lance

how would that translate to a gender flip?

Female Snow is a better dancer?
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>>88114521
Brandon Stark did that, not Rikkard.
And Hoster acted because Aerys had already murdered one Lord Paramount, his heir, Jon Arryn's heir, several other lordly heirs, and then had threatened to murder two more Lords Paramount. Maybe reread the post you're responding to.
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>>88118221
Targaryen firstborns always resemble their mothers
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>>88118372
Jeyne is prettier
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>>88118913
>Ned brings a daughter that looks almost exactly like Ashara Dayne but with dark eyes
>Catelyn SEETHING over how Jeyne is prettier than all of her daughters
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>>88119975
I´d prefer either looking like a female Rhaegar or Lyanna. Still would make Catelyn seethe. And in case of a younger Lyanna looking female Stark might make Robert feel funny.
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What Robert would have done at the sight of a 15 year old Arya?
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>>88120010
>And in case of a younger Lyanna looking female Stark might make Robert feel funny.
That's would cause a veeeeery different timeline lmao
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>>88120156
Divorce Cersei and disinherit her kids like Renly planned to do with Margaery
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Why can't female fanfic writers use named that actually exists in Westeros instead of shits like these
>Vereena Redwyne (daughter or granddaughter of Viserra)
>Aemeryn (Daughter of Rhaenyra and Laenor)
>Janaerys (Twin to Jace)
>Jaedys (Laenor's)
>Lorelei (Laena's)
>Elyse (Rhea's)
>Annora Tyrell
>Aenessa (Laenor's)
>Vaemma (Laenor's)
>Cora Lannister
>Lilit Targaryen
>Meara BLACKFYRE
>Vanya Martell-Stone
>Aenora (twin to Aemond)
>Vaesa Celtigar
>Daeaneara Velaryon
>Brea Tully
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>>88120479
>Martell-Stone
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>>88120499
Don't ask anon, don't ask...
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>31 Works in Sansa Stark/Aemond "One-Eye" Targaryen
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>>88120479
>>88120527
Are you reading teenage girls self-insert fanfictions and complaining at their lack of research, anon?
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>>88120479
Don't forget about Jaenera
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by some unholy bullshit get slotted into the head of Varys before he starts his new job as master of whispers to Aerys
what do
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>>88113220
I hope your headaches are twice as worse now
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>>88120711
>cry because no dick
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>>88120711
Start exercising.
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>>88117556
>Stole a Valyrian steel sword
What a cunt. Eddard would never
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>>88120711
>Serve Aerys then Robert
>Becomes rich with my Spiderweb
>Returns to Pentos and live a comfy life with my bro Illyrio
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>>88120811
what about your spy network? do them mute kids go hungry or do you have a huge family now
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>>88117556
>get good omen event
>child is stillborn
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>>88120822
I bring them with me and open a shota brothel in Lys
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>>88120680
>Jaenera
>not Jaeanearae
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>"Have you given one of these boys your maidenhead? Tell me true."
>"True?" said Saera. "No. I gave it to all three. They all think they were the first. Boys are such fools."
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>>88117915
>>88117919
what ARE you trying to say ser anon? Speak plainly
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>>88118221
Do I need to talk about the horses again?
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>>88118265
>Lazy
name five (5) lazy things that GURM has done?
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>>88120255
but did Renly know of the incest of was he just playing the game dumbly
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>>88120479
okay YOU make up five (5) ASOIAF sounding names. go on
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>>88118905
Except Viserys (Alyssa T)
Except Aegon II (Alicent)
Except Jacaerys (Rhaenyra)
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>>88120849
sign me up baby!
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>>88120889
what would you guys have done after this?
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>>88120953
Do Laena and Rhaego count? I think they should.
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>>88120925
The dragon is named Drogon.
The north of the continent is called The North.
The west continent is called Westeros and the east one Essos.
Aemond is just Daemon with the D at the end.
Westeros map is just the British Isles put together.
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>>88120948
There is no need to make up asoiaf names, there is enough, hell even in that list you can replace some of the names with canon names
>Vereena Redwyne
Visenya or Viola
>Aemeryn
Aemma or Aerea
>Janaerys
Jaenara
>Jaedys
The only one which can't be replaced by a canon name
>Lorelei
Why? Replace with Larissa, which is a canon Velaryon name
>Elyse
Elissa, like Elissa Farman
>Annora Tyrell
Alerie
>Aenessa (Laenor's)
Alyssa
>Vaemma
Just remove the damn V, I guess the writers wanted to either use Visenya or Aemma but decided to join their names which is something that doesn't happen in Westeros besides Aenys
>Cora Lannister
Cerelle
>Lilit Targaryen
Again, why? Use Laena or Larissa or Lily (canon Targ name)
>Meara BLACKFYRE
Maegelle.
>Vanya Martell-Stone
Anya
>Aenora
Aelora.
>Vaesa Celtigar
Vaella
>Daeaneara Velaryon
Daenerys, Daenys, Daenaera, Daenora..
>Brea Tully
Name her Bessie if they want a name starting with B so much
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>>88120948
Not that guy but
>Edmynd
>Kevyn
>Vyctor
>Josyph
>Darryn
Did I replace enough vowels with Ys?
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>>88121045
>There is no need to make up asoiaf names
Not even gonna try. Lazy boy
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>>88121020
>Drogon
Well at least it makes a bit sense, he was named after Drogo
>Aemond is just Daemon with the D at the end.
That was just Viserys trying to honor his bro
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>>88121045
>>Daeaneara
Wait, I just realised this isn't Daenaera. How the hell do you read that?
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>>88121049
>One of those is my name ASOIAF-ified
well would you look at that
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>>88121065
You mean your
>Nayme
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>>88121052
Fine.
>Marcella (Commonly used in the Westerlands and Stormlands)
>Ellion (Common in the Crownlands)
>Hugar (Valeman)
>Teena (Used in Myr)
>Charlatte (Braavosi)
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>>88121000
Geld them. They're now her new handmaidens.
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>>88121059
according to my voice to speech it's "Die-in-her-uh"
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>>88120925
The entirety of Westeros speaks one language
Most characters don't really have friends and/or companions despite being highborn
Westeros only has a king, lords, two merchants and peasants
Thousands of years and no scientific/social development, not even a university center except the Citadel
When he doesn't know what to do with a female character he just kills her in childbirth
Pseudo-medieval society but religion is mostly used as a footnote or spooky magic stuff
Dothraki (Essos in general)
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>>88121132
>giving Saera more play-things
you fool!
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>Rhayneayearaeyearea
R8 my targ name bros
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>>88121059
Day-ah-near-a?
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>>88121150
Would fuck if sister/10
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>>88121056
>Well at least it makes a bit sense, he was named after Drogo
Grrm named both of them, it's still Eragon-tier name even if you can justify it in-universe.
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>>88121000
Depends. Am in Jaehaerys’s place or one of the guys she fucked place?
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>>88121240
Jaehaerys Ofc
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>>88121240
You are behind a veil of ignorance and won't know until you have chosen to act.
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There needs to be a trail by cumbat where you earn your freedom if you can make the other guy cum first
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>>88121250
In that case, I’d Geld Beesbury and send him to the wall, exile Connington for a year, force Mooton to marry and his first son has come to KL as a Hostage, and make Saera marry the heir to House Peake.
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Brother/Sister
>Gaemon/Daenys
>Aegon/Visenya
>Aegon/Rhaenys
>Aegon/Rhaena
>Jaehaerys/Alysanne
>Baelon/Alyssa
>Aegon/Helaena
>Aegon/Naerys
>Aelor/Aelora
>Jaehaerys/Shaera
>Aerys/Rhaella
Uncle/Niece and Aunt/Nephew
>Maegor/Rhaena
>Aemon/Jocelyn Baratheon
>Daemon/Rhaenyra
>Alyn Velaryon/Baela
Close Cousins
>Viserys/Aemma Arryn
>Aegon/Jaehaera
>Aerion/Daenora
Distant Cousins
>Aenys/Alyssa Velaryon
>Corlys Velaryon/Rhaenys
>Laenor Velaryon/Rhaenyra
>Daemon/Laena Velaryon
>Aegon/Daenora Velaryon
>Aerys/Aelinor Penrose
Non Incestuous
>Maegor/Ceryse Hightower
>Maegor/Alys Harroway
>Maegor/Tyanna
>Maegor/Elinor Costayne
>Maegor/Jeyne Westerling
>Rodrik Arryn/Daella
>Viserys/Alicent Hightower
>Corwyn Corbray/Rhaena
>Garmund Hightower/Rhaena
>Ossifer Plumm/Elaena
>Ronnel Penrose/Elaena
>Michael Manwoody/Elaena
>Daeron/Myriah Martell
>Baelor/Jena Dondarrion
>Maron Martell/Daenerys
>Valarr/Kiera of Tyrosh
>Maekar/Dyanna Dayne
>Daeron/Kiera of Tyrosh
>Aegon/Betha Blackwood
>Rhae and Daella
>Duncan/Jeyne of Oldstones
>Rhaegar/Elia Martell
>Drogo/Daenerys
>Hizdahr/Daenerys
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>>88121289
Spank her, then, and keep a belt right at hand. It'll be handy wether I'm Jaehaerys or he's trying to burst through the door and I have to hang on an emergency.
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>NOOOOOO THE DAUGHTER WHO'S AFRAID OF EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE MUST MARRY BEFORE SHE TURNS 17
>My normal daughter who's defiant and capable? She can be unmarried and unwed till she turns 20
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>>88121375
Don't forget
>I'll send her to the silent sisters if she isn't married soon
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>>88121326
You'll want to cut his tongue, too, else he'll still brag about it for thd years to come.
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>>88121375
>All those top 10 Targaryen kings with Jaehaerys as their top king
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>>88121421
It's top king not top father, although I find Gurm's idea of good person = DEFINITELY NEVER EVEAH good ruler and the reverse idiotic.
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>>88121437
>the reverse
such as????
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>>88121326
>make Saera marry the heir to House Peake
How the fuck has House Peake not been annihilated for all their rebellions?
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>>88121496
If i were King I'd do that and give one of them castles back to the Manderlys
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>>88121496
Roger Reyne was about to, but cocksucker egg stopped him
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>>88121496
They’re too based.
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>somehow the Umbers become rulers of New Valyria
>can't have that
>announce dragon conquest
>they surrender immediately
Nice
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>>88121326
>She gives him nothing but bastards
heheheheh
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Kinda surprised the Targs never wed a Princess to some Darry lord
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Peakes >>>>>>>>>>> Manderlys
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>>88117173
>>88111047
>Girl Eddard

>Lyanna was the wild northern beauty, while Eddara was that of the northern moon-a softer, paler luminescence hanging high above the icy lands of her father. Lyanna burned bright, laughed fetchingly, and raged thunderously while Eddara was solemn where her sister was fiery, cautious where her sister was daring, and deferential where her sister rebelled

>Her brother Brandom was sent to the Eyrie, and quickly befriended the heir of Storm´s End. Eddara knew that the boy was one of her possible suitors, so when she went to Vale to visit Brandom, she was nervous

>What if Robert was displeased with her, thought her an uncultured savage or worse, dull and insipid? What if he came to hate her, or worse, simply ignored her? Edda had always been the one to yield to the will of others in her family, to yield to duty, but she had her pride, and she did not think it could tolerate that. She didn’t have expectations of a passionate romance out of Old Nan’s tales, but she did want some sort of foundation to build upon. Father had loved Mother, hadn’t he?

>Robert Baratheon dismounted as easily as a hardened knight, and with a start she realized he looked far more man than boy, despite being only her age, twelve. He looked closer to fifteen or sixteen and was very tall for his age. Over the course of the next few months Edda learned many things about him. For example, he had the hands of a commoner and not a lordling. she quickly realized he preferred the rowdier foot-stomping songs, rather than the lilting dirges. The second time they danced he lifted her up by the waist with a laugh before setting her back down again, making her uncharacteristically scream

>While she is quiet, he is deafening; while she is serious, he is frivolous and lighthearted. Nevertheless, he never seems to forget about her or dismiss her. He makes her laugh and curse and cry with his antics; life with Robert Baratheon is never boring

>Soom she went back home
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>>88123462
is there any cool ck3 mod or only for ck2?
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>>88123513
Its Harrenhal

>"EDDARA!" Robert Baratheon waved her over from a few tents away. A few passing knights shot him strange looks, but he didn't care, and neither did Eddara, as she steered her horse towards him, galloping at full speed.

>She got off her steed and ran over to Robert, who hugged her excitedly. "It's good to see you again, Ned. You have to practice with me before the big melee. Wait, is that your sister?"

>The moment was broken by Brandon, who squeezed himself through Lyanna and Eddara before shaking Robert's hand firmly. "So you're my sister's betrothed, eh? Treat her well." Eddararolled her eyes. There was a slight warning in Brandon's tone, but both men laughted.

Later

>She pulls out an appropriately cheery dress, that if she might come upon Robert on her walk, then she will not disappoint the expectations of the realm. Eddara presses on, well into the darkened hallways before a familiar sight stops her in her tracks.

>Arthur Dayne stops as well. Eddara moves to the side, as far from him as the hallway’s length permits. The man makes no further move to approach her. He only gives her one long look and passes her by after,

>Her heart squeezes painfully, for a moment standing still within her chest. For a brief moment she wonders at the grotesque taste of humour the gods have bestowed upon her. Such a thing to be had.

>Robert attempts to dance with Eddara, but they both end up stepping on each other's feet far too many times to call it a proper dance. "Robert, stop, we're both absolutely horrid," Ned finally says, releasing his hand as they collapse into their chairs, chuckling.
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>>88123529
>Lyanna is dancing with Rhaegar again, but before she can contemplate it further, a man clears his throat behind her. "Well, our siblings are dancing together. Shall we do the same, Lady Stark?"

>Ned nearly faints. Standing in front of her is Ser Arthur Dayne, in the flesh and blood, the greatest kingsguard of his generation. She nods, too nervous for words, and takes his outstretched palm in her own as he leads her onto the dancing area. At first, she is too focused on not stepping on his toes to make any conversation.
>Then they talked, they talked about swordplay, about riding on the open fields of the north, about the Smilling Knight and the stories of Ser Barristan Selmy.

>"Thank you for dancing with me, Lady Stark. A knight is always honest, so I must confess, my fellow kingsguard and the prince pushed me to dance with atleast one fair maiden tonight. I am glad it was you, though. Something tells me there is a lot more to you than meets the eye, Eddara Stark." Ser Arthur kisses her hand as the waltz ends, the paragon of chivalry, as he leaves and walks over to Rhaegar, who is exiting the hall with Elia by his side.

>Arthur Dayne was the most gallant knight Eddara had ever met
LATER
>"For what it's worth, I tried to apologize to Lady Ashara, but she slammed the door in my face.""

>"How dare you! You are the heir to Winterfell, how dare you dishonor that poor woman! You will go back Brandon Stark, and you will apologize for the grief you have caused her-"

>"Nothing is more important than honor and duty, Brandom. How will he be a good lord if he does not know these things?"

>Robert just stand there and watches in silence, visibly uncomfortable.
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>>88123546
It´s when Robert shows up with Mya.

“Mya Stone,” she repeated, looking to the girl’s mother

>Robert stood near the door, steadily avoiding looking at either woman

>Part of her had hoped that he was mistaken, that the girl he’d fallen into bed with, drunk and grieving his parents’s deaths, was lying. But it was clear as the day that there was no mistake, no lie. Mya was his daughter. His oldest child, now and forever

>Robert had apologized. Profusely. More than she would have expected of him. He’d sworn that he’d sired no other bastards, that Darya was the only woman he’d been with since he and Edda had first kissed at Vale, and that it would never happen again, on his honor and integrity as a Baratheon

>She believed that he thought that what he was saying was the honest truth. But now she knew that when Robert was… It was as if a weakness had been exposed in a foundation, and no amount of mortar would correct it. She could not trust him, not now. Perhaps not ever again

>“Her family has cast her out for siring your daughter,” Edda said “They live in squalor and filth on the edge of a ramshackle little village with two pigs to their name. So here is what you will do. You will pay her the dowry she is owed for taking her virtue, so she might marry-Then we will offer to raise your daughter at Storm’s End”

>“Eddara-”

>“I can live with a bastard girl in our household. I cannot live knowing one of your children freezes while the other wants for nothing”

>“Edda, I’m-I will make it up you” he swore, and she wasn’t sure if he was speaking to her or the babe “Whatever it takes, I will do…
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>>88123557
>They married 1 year later. She was not so naive as to think that just because they had shared kisses and sweet words at some point he-He came forward and lifted her off the ground, whirling her around, his callused hands on her slim hips, and she threw her head back and laughed in spite of herself, her fingers digging into his shoulders before he set her down on the ground. They married on the Godswood

>Soom, she moved to the Stormlands and had her first baby, and not long after she was pregnant of another one.

>Edda felt as though time had slowed when she received the raven detailing her sister’s disappearance and her brother’s journey to King’s Landing. Robert was sailing with a fleet to Gulltown to help Jon Arryn regain control, and there were murmurs that Fell, Cafferen, and Grandison were gathering in rebellion against their storm lord and lady, declaring their allegiance to the Iron Throne.

>Aerys cooked her father alive in his armor, and strangled her brother as he reached for his sword, she reminded herself . He would make her watch while he gave her babies to the flames, no matter the lies of mercy and forgiveness Tyrell and Redwyne tried to sell her. She was a Stark. She could endure

>Those who had been at Storm’s End during the siege, however, hotly countered that Eddara Baratheon might as well have been the Mother reborn, so well had she kept up the spirits during that dreadful siege and so protective was she of her child, despite being pregnant
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>>88123522
Most of the original devs are gone and ck3 mod development seems to be 90% trannies that don't actually work on the mod. The Elder Scrolls mod is out with tons of different races and the LotR mod is about to release as well I think, while the GoT mod doesn't even seem close and it doesn't need half a dozen different races
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>>88123568
Finaly the end

>Benjen came back with a Lyanna´s and Rhaegar son. The lords demanded a king, but Eddara convinced Robert to rule as the child’s regents until he came of age. This Targaryen was not born of incest and would be raised by stags, not dragons

>She was the one to send Viserys Targaryen to the Citadel to study as a maester It was that or the Night’s Watch

She was the one, along with the help of her goodsister Catelyn Tully, to arrange the marriage of Rhaella Targaryen and Brynden Tully, after the woman bore what would be her final child, a girl named Daenerys
>Edda had never felt older than she did when she watched her daughter exchange her vows with her husband in the Great Sept. Newly eighteen, Lyarra was tall and lovely, with black curls that went almost to her waist and blue eyes that darkened to a grey so dark it was nearly black when she was angry.
>Then again, Edda had been surprised herself when Lyarra took a strong liking to Tyrion Lannister. The man was clever, probably too clever, and disarmingly kind to a girl he should have hated by all rights- all of the Seven Realms knew there was little love lost between the Baratheons and Lannisters by now, after the events of the rebellion.

>She and the Bastard Prince as he was called, had grown close over the years, and she smiled as she watched him dance with the Hightower girl.

>“Your house words ring true, then,” Tywin said to hery. “Winter is coming.”

>Edda smiled, but it was more like a baring of teeth, for all that she was Lady Eddara, the quiet queen regent who scorned both crowns and jewels. “As do my others.”

>Ours is the fury, she thought, and I will not hesitate to bring that fury down on you if you ever stand in the way of my nephew’s rule.

>Jon Arryn took ill shortly after the wedding, and passed quickly, feverish and rambling.

>Lysa and his son disappeared back to the Eyrie.
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>Convince sister to watch show
>She hates Otto Hightower for standard reasons as others in Fandom
>She especially hates him because according to her he looks just like her former Bible teacher who was fired for being racist
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>>88123299
Who has more money
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>>88123462
kill yourself and stop posting whatever cringe shit you're playing
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>>88123575
>Most of the original devs are gone
Weren't they hired by Paradox?
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>>88124055
no idea
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>Aeron watched the Crow’s Eye. Will he speak now, or let the kingsmoot run its course? Orkwood of Orkmont was whispering in Euron’s ear.
>But it was not Euron who put an end to the shouting, it was the woman. She put two fingers in her mouth and whistled, a sharp shrill sound that cut through the tumult like a knife through curds.
>“Nuncle! Nuncle!” Bending, she snatched up a twisted golden collar and bounded up the steps.
>Nute seized her by the arm, and for half a heartbeat Aeron was hopeful that his brother’s
champions would keep her silent, but Asha wrenched free of the Barber’s hand and said
something to Red Ralf that made him step aside.
>As she pushed past, the cheering died away.
She was Balon Greyjoy’s daughter, and the crowd was curious to hear her speak.
>“It was good of you to bring such gifts to my queensmoot, Nuncle,” she told Victarion, “but
you need not have worn so much armor. I promise not to hurt you.”
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>>88120231
>>88120010
>Caitlyn seething that Ned's bastard becomes the new queen
The war is still north vs Lannister, but Tywin is in rebellion after his daughter is put aside for the now pregnant Jeyne, and Robert is dead leaving succession in question. Lannisters still ally with Tyrells post Renly death, and Stannis is a wild card now.
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>Brienne sheathed Oathkeeper, gathered up Dick Crabb, and carried him to the hole. His face was hard to look on. “I’m sorry that I never trusted you. I don’t know how to do that anymore.”
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Would Robbert be retard enough to marry a random bastard girl Jeyne Snow?

Wouldn't it be more likely for him to make her his mistress, maid, whatever, and fuck her on the side?
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>>88112550
> Sire, a woods witch has been rumored to exist in the King's wood. The small folk go to her for potions and the like but it's said that she can see a mans future and even has a tonic that will make said man more virile in bed. Shall we invite her to court?

Let us first send a delegation of maesters to investigate and if her potions show promise, offer her a teaching and research position at the Citadel where they can be developed further.

> Also the High Septon wishes to create a new holiday based on one of the seven. He would like your input on which god should be celebrated and how would we do so. But advises against choosing the Stranger.

We leave religious matters to the Faith but we would think there is already a holiday for each of the Seven?

> And finally a new sport in the Westerlands has arisen where those with horses race each other for a champions purse. It would seem smaller rider and those who can acquire Dornish horses win the most. Would you like to compete or send someone to do on your behalf?

This sounds like a perfect sport for my newly renovated Dragonpit Entertainment & Convention Center (sponsored by The Arbor Vineyards). The Iron Throne shall put up a purse of a healthy but reasonable amount with an engraved golden chalice for the ultimate winner or the year, we shall call it the King's Cup, with the final race of the season being held on the autumn equinox.
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>>88109085
> stop posting on-topic images to an image board!!

No.

>>88109360
>Retarded theory with no basis. Timeline does not fit,

Sure it does. Lysa married Jon Arryn 15 years back and had a couple of miscarriages, while Littlefinger was brought to Kingslanding a short time after Robert assumed the Iron Throne, with Sweetrobin being born in 292 AC.

>>88110244
>>a secret movement of the high nobility to essentially form a parliament of nobles and force a constitutional monarchy on the Targaryens,
>Where would they get the idea of a constitutional monarchy from?

They thought it up on their own, it isn't that radical of an idea and a natural evolution of political thought but Pentos has essentially a constitutional monarchy and they could have got the idea from there.

"Pentos is a city where wealth equals power, ruled over by a prince with a council of rich magisters. The prince has a mostly ceremonial function, however, while the magisters rule. The prince, who is chosen from forty families, presides chiefly over balls and feasts.[6] He is carried from place to place in a rich palanquin with a handsome guard. Each new year he deflowers two maidens, the maid of the sea and the maid of the fields, to ensure prosperity on land and sea. If there is famine or a war is lost, the magisters sacrifice the prince and slit his throat to appease the gods, then choose a new prince.[3][6]"
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>>88124468
Eddard is his bro. It would be a dick move to take one of his precious young daughters and not take some sort of responsability. Smart, but a dick move nonetheless.
Beside, I imagine Ned would not be too excited by the idea.
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>>88124468
>Would Robbert be retard enough to marry a random bastard girl Jeyne Snow?
After years of marriage with Cersei, you too would willingly go full retard to get rid of her.
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>>88124600
>>88124685
Question is, if she is a Targ, does he strangle her when he finds out.
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>>88123748
>For being racist
At Gregg's?
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>>88124451
>He was a Crabb! This was his place!
Pure kino
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>>88124845
Gregg? Who is that?
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>>88124587
Thanks for backing my bastard theory Lorefag
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>>88124587
off-topic stuff for other boards gets reported, this isn't /tv/
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>>88123462
>skagos
why
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>>88125284
This is why
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Rereading the books, honestly Dorne is the best kingdom
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>>88125498
*worst
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>>88125498
>>88125513
well yeah it's the only one to kill a dragon
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>>88125121
it's a meme
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>>88125513
name a better one
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>>88125439
>Rogare
cringe
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>>88125721
I stole and renamed the sword, that's not relevant.
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How can anyone justify thousands of years of middle-age-like civilizations? Where are all the technological advancements? You can't even handwave the setting as being backward because there are a number of centers of learning on the world.
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>>88123748
Daemon is literally a racist tho, Otto doesn't care about race
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>>88125735
same reasons as in Tolkien, i suppose
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>>88125735
>How can anyone justify thousands of years of middle-age-like civilizations?
Winters that last 20 years
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>>88124737
If she was genuinely nice and caring to Robert, and not a Cersei, I have a hard time thinking he'd kill her like Victarion.
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>>88125700
Reach, Stormlands, Vale
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>>88125749
Everyone's immortal and has been through at least two apocalypses?
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>>88125821
Sure.
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>>88125815
>Reach
weak cucks that lost to Dorne

>Stormlands
even weaker literal cucks

>Vale
Literally Who: The Kingdom, featuring warriors too weak to defeat the mountain clans
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>>88125864
Dorne only won because of Plot armor and Daeron II & Baelor being cucks.
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>be lord yronwood
>have lots of chances to get back at the rhoynar-andal by siding with the targaryens
>remain loyal to them
what did they mean by this?
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>>88125903
>Daeron is obsessed with fighting Dorne
>Baelor is obsessed with the Faith
>both were written that way back before GRRM had it so Aegon II's daughter died after marrying Aegon III but before they could have kids

they're both so Reach-influenced I wonder if originally they weren't meant to be descended of Alicent Hightower. it wouldn't have mattered either since both their lines end.
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>>88125912
>later on they join the Blackfyres because they just do okay!!!
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>>88126193
I hate the world-building for Dorne so fucking much.
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>>88126478
why
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>In CK2 one of Daemon Blackfyre's grandsons is married to a Peake
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new thread
>>88126540

>>88126540



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