>>88096542
whats the best optimized introtech mech and why?

>>88096542
BOOT HOLED

>>88096589
The Awesome.

>>88096614
name 3 more.

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>>88096720
Oh fuck off, get your demographics somewhere else.

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>>88096589
Light- Wolfhound 1A. It's tricky to do lights well with introtech but the Wolfhound manages it. Fast (but not so fast it sacrifices other things), tough, good weapons loadout with reasonable heat management, particularly on the 1A which trades the butt laser for a heatsink.
Honourable mention goes to the Fire Javelin.

Hmm, they're both energy boats. I wonder if this will become a theme?

Medium- Crab. See what I said about the Wolfhound? Also applies to the Crab. Sensibly fast, shooty, tough, reasonably sinked- not a pilot oven but capable of pushing heat for maximum damage as the situation demands.
Honourable mention goes to the Lineholder KW1-LH2 and Wolverine 6M. The Lineholder is kinda cheating, it was made well after most other introtech mechs both in and out of universe when designers weren't fucking around with suboptimal designs as much.

Heavy- Thought about this the longest. There's plenty of good introtech heavies, don't get me wrong. But none of them I feel are as savagely optimised as other weight classes. The Ostsol 4D? Another zombie flashbulb, but it's a bit light on armour and wastes tonnage on two rear facing mediums. The Black Knight is too undersunk, the Orion packs too much ammo, the Thunderbolt 5SS has a Flamer and CT ammo bomb, the Grasshopper 5H wastes tonnage on a LRM5. They're all good, some great, but none are completely min-maxed. If pushed I'd say the Warhammer 6D or the Grasshopper 5N, but even the Warhammer 6D has two naff small lasers.

Look mum, more energy boats!

Assault- Most people way say the Awesome 8Q and initially I was going to reflexively say that. Thinking about it though, the Marauder II is actually the champion in my eyes. It has 15 more tons to play with, has 4 tons more armour, jump jets (which eat away 6 tons yet somehow don't impact the Mad 4As effectiveness), a better sunk main battery but also the capability to push heat a little with its medium lasers.

>>88096720

Christ almighty Dark Age didn't grow the fanbase at all.

>>88096720
3/5 of voters on fucking 4chan claiming to be 45+ old farts, entering btech in 2001 or earlier? Really?
Someone is seriously padding the vote

Why are the AC2 and AC5 a thing?

>>88096766

Son, in my experience, a lot of internet people are either very young zoomers or old as fuck gen xers

>>88096766
Okay, 40+, ~37 at most. That's still an old fart

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>>88096766
get 'em while they're young, as the saying goes

>>88096777
Checked. AC/2 was really meant for AA and light anti-vehicle duties. AC/5 was the standard while the AC/10 was still a prototype and it's hung around ever since thanks to being much lighter.

>>88096799
Was the idea of Clanners (or at least falcons) having facial tats shown or mentioned elsewhere prior to the cartoon? I just read the BoK trilogy recently and I don't remember it being mentioned there for any clanner

>>88096589
AWS 8Q
TDR-5SE
WVR-6M
WLF-1

>>88096748
Medium and heavy and assault were solved by the best contributors these threads have ever had, nea, warship anon, urbie pope etc.
AWS-8Q
TDR-5SE
and
WVR-6M

>>88096777
AC2's there for ultra cheap extreme range shooting that doesn't burn your arse like you've sat in a 1960s van. It exists basically to soften up armour rather than smash it, which sets up heavier weapons. Also, Pike's running flak AC/2s become mobile anti-air turrets, especially if your mad enough to drop more than one.

>>88096821
Yes, specifically for clanners with EI implants wanting to emphasize the circuitry and show off how brave they are for accepting it.

>>88096832
The Awesome 8Q is very good and very optimised but I genuinely think the MAD-4A is even better. As I say, 64 more pips of armour, more manoeuvrability, being able to fire all its main battery whilst also being able to cover its PPCs minimums and push heat more effectively with its medium lasers... I really don't see how the Awesome edges it out optimisation wise?

TDR-5SE has a LRM10 which are inherently sub-optimal compared to 2 LRM5s and also has a double ammo chest bomb.

WVR-6M is very very close and the only point I might concede. But in a duel, despite the Crab being 100bv cheaper, the Crab would probably win by being able to exploit its range advantage with its large lasers.

They're all excellent mechs, but the most optimised? I'm not so sure.

>>88096928
they're the best INTROTECH mechs in class, the best 3025 has to offer that the game battletech launched with.

crab, mad ii not only aren't introtech, they are also unicorns.

>>88096951
Ah, my definition of introtech is anything in MUL which has the rules level on introductory, a category which the MAD-4A and Crab are both certainly in.

Also, anon made no mention of in universe rarity. That has no bearing on the question which was being answered.

>>88096996
that's the introtech RULES level.

introtech itself is commonly understood to be what BT started out as when it first released, so you don't need all 3000 tro's with every variant that was available in the 3025 era etc.

and it explicitly answers the question because the guy asked about introtech. which is the OG of 'battletech' (excepting the 'real' og, battledroids).

and NO one is going to like or enjoy some asshole who is just running zombie flashbulbs forever.

>>88096822
so you think the thunderbolt is better than the maruader or any of the heavy LuRM boats?

>>88097057
No. I agree with older and wiser heads who spent about a hundred threads arguing it out. I merely lurked and followed along. The consensus ended up being the TDR-5SE, and it makes sense and I agree with it.

I dunno, I'd say the davion wammie is better than the thud.

>>88097081
I kinna missed that, was before i came here i think.

>>88097020
"It's something which is called introtech but it's not actually introtech" OK...
It's not about TRO's, they don't matter really any more rules wise or for new people coming. It's about what's in MegaMek and MUL, the two most common list building resources, as "introductory".
Alternatively if we're going by "What was available in the 3025 era?" the MAD-4A has an availability date of 3012. If we're going by "What was in TRO 3025?" then the Wolfhound (something you haven't disputed) is disallowed from that list, as it was first released (as far as I can tell) in the Wolf's Dragoons book, the book which also introduced the MAD-4A. It certainly wasn't in TRO 3025.


Again, your second point is not relevant. I agree that running nothing but min-maxed zombies all the time would be boring, but anon literally asked
>whats the best optimized introtech mech and why?
Therefore I answered the question which was posed, from my understanding of what introtech is. Anon didn't ask what the most fun or even best mech is. He asked about optimisation.

>>88096748
>Marauder II
lol, wut?
does it use single heat sinks?

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>>88097141
Yes?

>>88097129
basically, the wolverine and thunderbolt models won because they have decent moves, armour etc. they're in that sweet spot of 'good enough' with versatility to always be doing things.

your choices are really great too, but only the MAD, which really ONLY the goonies get to just 'have' can jump. in intro tech, jumping is not to be underestimated. as the era is before XLFE etc, most mechs haven't got the movement profiles and larger tonnages to be able to deal with any annoying terrain, whilst jumpmechs can seize high ground cover and almost act with impugnity, unassailable.

IIRC points made in the favour of the awesome is the SIMPLICITY, in that it is hard to use one and fuck it up. you move it ok, and you shoot 1-2 ppc shots every other round, one ppc one round, and then the two belly ppc next, never overheat. just a massive wall of armour constantly putting PPC downrge.

i'm just trying to remember back. ah, yes, hole punching AND crit seeking. the wolveine and thud can punch holes with their lasers AND then seek their own crits with missiles. that was the clincher IIRC.

I LOVE me a fucking crab, but all lasers means it just punches holes, it's not good for making things assplode after.

but ME personally, I actually love the "Grand" Dragon the best. as a heavy. Gotta go fast.

>>88097170
but only the MAD (which only the goonies get to just have) can jump*
movement profile AT larger tonnages.*

>>88097140
except when you say Introtech, most people think the BASIC tabletop game. not megamek, which is running and automating a whole bunch of shit not usually chosen in Introtech, because that uses extra rules from more books.

and flashbulbs aren't 'optimised' they're minmaxed and specialised to a certain role. not dying.

>>88096881
>brave
I think the issue is that the Clanners have the medical tech to remove the implants without leaving any adversed effects. They can probably even fix the brain damage you suffered.

>>88097197
I'm pretty sure by the time 'introtech' was coined, they'd already backfilled in designs like the downgraded crab and highlander, wolfhound, etc.
Genuinely, correct me if I'm wrong on this. It seemed to me that classifying the 3025 tech stuff as Introductory started after FASA had gone under.

>>88097197
When I started playing BT I downloaded MegaMek as a list building tool within the first few weeks. And MUL is the official canon resource which the rulebooks point too for list building.

I think the difference between optimised and min-maxed is arguing over semantics my dude.
Even if we were to entertain the point about flashbulbs being minmaxed purely towards survivability I would disagree. The Wolfhound, Fire Javelin, Disco Switchback, Crab, Awesome and Marauder II all have both high survivability and high damage output. Survivability is not their only design concern and they are flashbulbs.

>>88097272
since forever you have had 3 choices in battletech
>gunss
>armour
>movement
until cheating clanner scum come along, you got to choose TWO.

>>88097382
Timby's get all three.

>>88097427
because they are cheating clanner faggots. which is why they must all be killed, and then we can steal their awesome shit for ourselves. level the playing field

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Is the Cyclops actually good on it's own or is it all about that +2?

>>88097514
>extra weak cockpit on an assault mech
>"good"
If you specifically exclude its computer bonus, doesn't it suck more than most other mechs of the same size by virtue of having an extra-weak weak point?

Capellans are such unlikeable shitters, holy fuck. Like, even among the bastards of inner sphere, they still stand out. Are they written that way because muh Cold War memes?

>>88097559
It actually has cowl, so it's head armor is stronger than average
>>88097514
I only use the 11-H cyclops (the one with a bunch of rockets) and it is quite effective

>>88097514
Cyclops can be used adequately as a heavy mech. The basic design from the SW is not very good. Too much AC/20 ammunition, for one thing.

>>88097514
It's a 95 ton mech with the armor of a 50 tonner. It can be useful but don't think you can just run in and tangle with other assaults easily. Once you hit the late 3050s onward good variants appear though still not what you might expect from the weight as it tends to stick with 4/6 and an SFE so it usually gets much better armor but still limited firepower, usually dropping the AC for a gauss rifle of some sort. One exception though goes 3/5 and has dual GRs.

>>88097576
Unless they've fiddled with the quirks it has both cowl and weak head armor with a two point rating. The weak head armor drops it by 2 to effectively 7 points of armor, the cowl boosts it by 3 but this doesn't affect attacks originating from the row of hexes directly in front. So it's both better and worse armored than normal if using the quirks.

>>88096764
For a while it was more popular than the classic BT game has ever been. They just didn't stay around.

>>88097561
Yes

>>88097576
>It actually has cowl, so it's head armor is stronger than average
With the weak armor (2), it works out to +1 on the sides, -2 from the front. And as an assault mech, a higher proportion of the attacks come from the front (as opposed to faster mechs, which are more often zipping between and behind enemy units so experience less concentrated front hits). So I'd argue that makes it worse than your average assault mech of the same tonnage.

>>88096542
>Spirit Cats
based, interested to see where they go from here

>Sea Foxes
meh, kind of. am i the only one who feels like they're disproportionately powerful and influential? i used to like them, but now they basically never suffer setbacks.

>>88098019
Oh, didn't notice it had weak head armor and cowl. I still like it, waiting on the rest of the lance to arrive before I start painting mine

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>>88096720
Why is The Crescent Hawks Inception a separate category? Odds are that anyone who played CHI in that ~1988 timeframe on a Amiga or C64 probably went out and bought the BT 2nd edition Box Set immediately. It was even cheaper than the computer game.

Anyone have experience with rockets? I see talk of some periphery mechs that mount 100+ and it piqued my interest, but how effective are they? That -1 to hit seems to not do them any favors. Is there a rule of thumb as to how many are expected to hit in a salvo?

>>88096766
/tg/ does seem to skew older so I'd believe it.

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I wish Battlemaster had a Succesion Wars era variant that either dropped the back lasers to save points or at least put them forward. It's so damn underwhelming, especially without quirks.

Anyone here have experience with fighting piranha? How were they? I'm thinking of picking up a few sheets but that 4-6 week shipping time is making me a bit hesitant

>>88096764
Or that generation doesn't hang out in the kinds of places where the poll was posted.

>>88096777
One part to de-optimize kiting, one part miscalculating the tradeoff between laser heat and cannon weight.

Never corrected* because the imbalance is easy to make up for in force construction, and because loreful upgrade paths add depth to the fiction.

*actually, ac/5s replaced by ultra/5, while ac/2s basically vanished from new designs.

>>88096542
This may seem like an odd question but where can I find printed record sheets of specific mechs? I want to print them and put them in my protected sheet binder for marker use, but don’t know where to look

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>>88098414
For every 'mech that needs a bit of spit and polish, there's a field refit available.

>>88098710
Megamek lab can provide them all, it has record sheet printing and pdf export options.

>>88096881
that doesn't answer the question

>>88096951
The AWS-8Q seems like a naive choice.

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Cold morning, time to march. Campaign should be a short one.

>>88096766
I got in young, from the cartoon I'm not even 40.

>>88096951
>that the game battletech launched with
No. See
https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Battledroids
https://www.sarna.net/wiki/BattleTech,_Second_Edition

>>88096777
AC20 has always had a nich use, and initially the AC5 was adequate. As time went on their poor balance optimization became more apparent and like other anons said, they were effectively replaced with ultra AC versions where they become more viable again. Even a little later the light AC variants come out which attempt to fix the weight problems they have and sorta do, but then you are left with less range and the need to stack them. It kinda becomes a question of "how many LAC5s can I stack into this mech for more damage" as opposed to minmaxxing theoretical use out of 1 or maybe 2 AC5s. LACs also work well as a supplemental AC gun. Like I stead of just cramming more medium lasers into a mech and increasing your theoretical heat level, you can cram a LAC5 into a mech and keep heat down while also adding a decent chunk of damage. It's not really till the rotary ACs that the 2 and 5 really come into their own, with the RAC2 being a great weapon and the RAC5 being a monster

>>88098819
What tanks are those in that art. They just look like T72/90s. What would be the closest approximation

>>88097140
Everything else you said is correct, but:

>for new people coming. It's about what's in MegaMek and MUL, the two most common list building resources, as "introductory".
I would think the "intro" subgroup of mechs would be ones for sale in the current boxes, with the next circle out being the associated TRO.

>It certainly wasn't in TRO 3025.
Maybe he's got his introTROs confused. There's a number of editions now.

>>88098056
I mean I never said it was a bad mech. It's still a 90t assault mech, and the computer bonus is nice. You/he asked about it as a solo mech, meaning how it stands without its bonus. It shouldn't be surprising that a mech with a specialized bonus for boosting groups would be sub-par in solo combat, otherwise it would be overpowered in terms of balance.

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Why does the cluster table have all the numbers between 2 & 30? I don't recall there being an AC11 or an LRM 27

>>88098860
Probably just Scorpions? Though the second tank in the column has what looks suspiciously like the Manticore's LRM10 on the turret, despite having an otherwise very similar silhouette.

>>88097218
1994 - rules defined into three categories (Tactical Handbook)
1996 - crab highlander etc downgraded (TR3025 Revised)
2005 - introtech (re?)coined to distinguish tech from Total Warfare's redefined rules level (official forums)

>>88096720
What initially got me into Battletech though it was just from a kids perspective was the TV show at the time. I collected the toys. Then eventually played the mechwarrior games, though the one I played the most was Mechcommander 2. Wasn't until I was well into my 20s though that I actually found the wider fandom unfortunately.

>>88099000
Probably future-proofing in case of new weapon types being added. Remember paper tables were made during the internet's infancy so it wasn't easy to just send out a new patch and update manuals.

>>88098414
>so damn underwhelming
The 1G can mog an Awesome, anon.

>>88099000
Protomechs, battlearmor and infantry.

>>88099006
It's concept art, so not a lot of thought was probably given to "secondary" setting pieces like vehicles.

That said >>88099006 might be right. The Scorpion is probably the single most produced combat vehicle in battletech history. Also the game takes place in the periphery, you can probably rule out most newer model tanks, and assume heavier vehicles would be rarer. So if you were to see a tank in the game, you wouldn't go wrong with guessing Scorpion.

>>88099141
Is it odd the tactical game has less tanks than the shooter?

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if you don't own an Omega for planetary defence, why?

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>time to change my password at work
>have been using battlemech names and their codes to meet the minimum requirements for modern secure passwords
>last one was catapultCPLT-K2
>attempt to change this one to hunchbackHBK-4P
>attempts constantly fail. has 12+ digits, has capital, has special symbol, has number, not similar to previous password, etc
>call help desk to figure out what's going on
>find out there is also a hidden rule that you cant use offensive words in your password

>>88096542
If all your minis came to life in your room Toy Soldiers-style, could your BT forces beat all the other stuff around your house?

>>88098767
That’s helpful, thanks

>>88099317
my 40k stuff arent in my house RN so yeah the battletech stuff can beat the one semi-painted dreadnought i guess

>>88099317
>currently sitting next to a gang of chaos cultists, vaders TIE advanced, heavy arms and leo gunpla
Well my room is going to be a mess.

>>88099300
This is the damn libtard's fault unironically

>>88099317
I've got like 20 gunpla models displayed rn and many more in the boxes that I've completed vs maybe a regiment and a half of BT minis, they are a minor power but are definitely getting crushed in any military conflict in my room

>>88099317
I have maybe a light battalion’s worth of mechs, a light Tau force, a WFB empire army, about 20-ish X-Wing minis of various factions, a couple gunpla, a couple Titanfall toys, and both a Godzilla and MechaGodzilla Kiryu toy

My room’s going to be a battlefield

>>88099317
They could probably beat my 40k stuff, all my BT models are on a desk while the warhammer is separated in different boxes. I have some vintage spawn and transformers stuff I think could beat them just by size difference. Neighbor runs a daycare out of their half of the house though so I think all would fall to the giant kids toys

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>>88099346
Very weird libertarian flag on that tank. Usually there's a snake on it not these abstract minimalist lines

>>88099346
>>88099469
battletech pushes right wing propaganda confirmed

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>>88096766
We were here first. And you will be here soon enough. 4chan itself is almost old enough to drink in the USA, and by extension, older than many of its posters

>>88099342
im not one to constantly call out muh libtards, but i agree in this case

>>88095690
>Best way to do pinup decals?
You don't. Absolutely nobody makes good pinup decals anymore. They're all either shit (like the FPG ones), or they aren't printed on white backing so you can only put them on bright colored surfaces, and if you put them on anything darker than a tan or yellow, the color shows through and they look like shit.

Starship modeller used to make several sheets of varied, fun, pinups intended for Star Trek gaming, so they were tiny, including WW2 era, modern pinups, a bunch of anime pinups, and a couple sheets of straight up naked models. Then they stopped making them for no apparent reason about 5 years ago and absolutely nobody has filled the market niche since.

>>88099317
They could get in formation and kill all the D&D monsters, with the dragons posing a big threat, but once the gunpla gets in, assuming they’re añl on the same team, it’s over. Jap mecha too fast and big

>>88098104
The funny thing about SRM or Inferno launcher in this game has no ammo limit, thus making it the best infantry weapon the character can equip. Shooting kuritards that armed with vibrokatana or other firearms become rather funny as they get splat with one-shot while your armor can take hits from these, but killing too many kuritards will sometimes cause them to spawn kuritards that armed with laser rifles that ignored armor. Same goes for 'Mechs in this game, kill too many bug 'Mechs (Wasp, Stinger, Locust), they will sometime spawn Jenners to punish you.

>>88096766
Makes sense, most of millenials and zoomers would be on reddit or discord servers.

>>88096542
What's the mech on the left?

>>88099282
don't have planet
have moon

>>88099300
>>88099342
>>88099520
It's so the wiretap doesn't log in everytime it hears you swear.

>>88096777
I'll be honest, if I ever play anything with AC2, I'm going to see if people would be alright with house rulling Rapid fire for them without "perma-jams".

>>88090307
>"Anime weeb shit"
Says the clanner scum.

>>88097561
Pretty much, now it seems they're still written that way, but with the writer's perspective of "it's all justified".

>>88098414
>>88098744
The battlemaster is actually decent on its own, though a little tweaking DOES improve it, i'll admit.

>>88100056
>>>88097561
>Pretty much, now it seems they're still written that way, but with the writer's perspective of "it's all justified".

I don't care about the "but it's justified!" excuse for war crimes so long as everyone does it and it isn't just the Cappies.

I have detested the Cappies since 1987, but in this setting everyone should be killing civilians and POWs and not think twice about it and not just the "evil" factions.

>>88100056
>>>88098744
>The battlemaster is actually decent on its own, though a little tweaking DOES improve it, i'll admit.

But that's most mechs. But after a while of tweaking you start getting into min/max territory.

>>88097561

Looks like someone failed their citizenship tests.

>>88099951
centurion

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>>88099859
Salvaging a Jenner and stealing the Urbanmech are some serious highlights of the game. R.I.P. Westwood you were good devs.
Also,
>Kuritards
what the fuck, just type like a human being.

>playing a nice 3v3 learning game with family
>Walk my Warhammer forward, ready to shoot
>Miss every shot
>Opponent gets TAC CT crit with a PPC, engine hit, I overheat, fail shutdown check, fall over, TAC gyro hit from falling damage

Fuck everything

>>88100356
those can be fun when they happen, though. when i was teaching my bf to play his crab's first attack was a max-range large laser shot that TAC'd and detonated the SRM ammo that the default Shad stores in its CT for some reason

>>88100356
I've killed more than one big scary clan mech this way

>>88100356
>engine hit
>i overheat
How? Does the +5 heat from a damaged engine apply immediately? I thought it began that mech’s next activation

>>88096764
It's even worse than it seems since I joined in that era, but with normal Battletech using old books.

>>88100541
I am not immune to getting rules wrong, I really thought it did

I was still running hot and rolled snake eyes on the overheat check

>>88100425
I am not actually properly salty, it was just one of those dice fuckery moments that shaped the game

>>88099196
>tactical game
The Battletech video game barely has vehicles, anon. From what I understand it was more an afterthought and they basically function as reskinned mechs with fewer parts rather than distinct units with their own game mechanics. That's why they never appeared on water maps in the campaign; they'd just stick to the ground level (even if the ground was under 3 meters of water, and the vehicle was a hovercraft). It's also probably the reason they don't have any aircraft, BA, or infantry, because their specialized movement would make it even more obvious that they were just reskinned mechs.

I won't rant on about the lack of procedural maps, mech equipment besides direct-fire weapons, or other complaints. Just know there's a reason some of us still play MekHQ instead of the video game.

>>88100176
Refit classes are a good guide imo. Class A-B can be done in the field, Class C-D require a MFB or transport bay, and Class E-F are factory refits. Most refits up to a Class C can be justified but up to a Class B is the safest bet for hedging against too much optimization. Class D is a grey area but it can be necessary in rare cases, like the MAD-5A's CASE being on the wrong side. Factory refits are off limits.

>>88100869
It's a turn based game, they have to limit the number of units on field at any one time to keep things moving. Baseline setting rules mean that mechs are more dangerous than any other kind of force, so mostly mechs appear.

What indirect weapons did you want besides LRMs and the thumper?

>>88100869
It was never meant to be a tabletop simulator, just a decent reproduction of BT 'mech combat with some CVs thrown in for enemy variety. As an introduction it's served its purpose admirably. The unity engine used hasn't taken well to extensive modification either. I fucking despise the mods that introduce BA, air units, etc. etc. into a game that was never meant to have them for precisely the reason it was never intended and it makes the game run and play like shit.

>>88101123
That's mostly because the game ran like shit by default.

>>88101184
Having played it vanilla and with extensive mods, the latter redefine what shit performance means.

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>fishing for opinions please
>do you like the lo-fi hazy retro resolution?
>thinking designed for muh long range sniping lol
>thinking kitted out for sneaky extended field missions without resupply with a literal ton of snacks which gradually becomes more sleeping space adjacent/connected to the cockpit as rations are consumed
>thinking house marik design cuz muh lazors
>thinking this is just about being the ultimate troll-mode nuisance 'mech in long-range, open-ended skirmishes
>thinking *fun* and not caring about *effectiveness* (anti-fun); would love to pilot this in a literal pen & paper tabletop mechwarrior campaign... not sure if character would ever even bother leaving the spacious head-mounted cockpit & connected cargo pod, living almost like a hikimori (sp?) who communicates via radio & loudspeaker and is pretty much glued to his marauder's signature s-tier command & control systems with which to help coordinate his buddies
>thinking about whether or not thinking about thinking too much is possible or even worth thinking about
>thinking about them beans

>>88100998
Refit classes also fucked the lore because the TR 3050 models were supposed to be able to be performed in the field using, at most, a repair bay at base and could potentially be done just using a mobile repair gantry if you didn't have one of those (BoK trilogy, Merc's Handbook).

It's another instance of "muh realisms" fucking with lore due to CGL's inability to not stick its dick into prior eras.

>>88101184
It's incredibly badly optimised. I now have an 8 core, 64 gig RAM machine with an SSD and it finally runs and loads fast enough to be playable, but because of the bullshit they pulled with Juggernaut while not re-balancing the missions I no longer want to.

>>88101385
Considering this is a factory-level refit there's no reason for you to not add Endo Steel.

There's also no real reason to have two tons of LB-X ammo. You're only going to be firing cluster rounds any way, let's be real.

Between those two factors you get 4.5 tons. That's enough to add some other EWAR gubbins (C3 Slave would be handy) and fiddle with the weapons options. You can't quite get to an LGR but you could have an LB-5X which is going to be a lot more useful. You could also look at swapping the ER Large Lasers for PPCs. You only lose one hex of range with standards but you pick up 25% more damage on each of them. ERs would give better range than the ER LLs.

>>88101401
Don't forget FanPro and CGL's obsession with making rulebooks to cover every single situation.

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>>88101453
Thanks, but this design already incorporates Endo-Steel (which I almost always use in pre-2900 & post-3025 designs). Obviously, the 1 ton Cargo Pod & 2nd ton of ammo are wastes of weight, and those 2 extra tons would be better served by investing into a half ton more armor and a Beagle Active Probe, or a trio of Machine Guns with a half ton of ammo, or two more double heat sinks (one in each arm for that "directly cooling the lasers" vibe).

>thank you for your thoughtful response, fren

>>88101456
The Merc Handbook already had rules for the varying refit types and hiring a repair gantry.

>>88101550
>The mech sheet doesn't actually show endo steel crit slots
I know it's not necessary for game play, but I put more trust into someone's record sheet if I know it's from a trusted source like SSW or MML. No, Heavy Metal Pro isn't trusted because it's 10+ years out of date.

>>88097561
No, they were originally written as weak since at that point the US public considered China and Russia weak with Japan's booming economy being the new danger for American dominance, hence why the dragon is so big and strong and sexy.

The war crimes came later.

>>88096766
/tg/ is full of us grogs actually we might be the oldest skewing board on the site other than post 2016 /pol/

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>>88101812
The oldest must be /m/, which also checks out.

>>88101385
>do you like the lo-fi hazy retro resolution?

No. "Difficult to read" is not nostalgia-inducing.

Aside from that, it's okay, though the LBX feels completely out of place in a Mech intended fro extending campaigns that already has ERLLs.

Drop it and the MLs for a third LL and some heat sinks. Unless you think that makes the Mech "too optimized", in which case drop it and upgrade the ERLLs to ERPPCs and a couple heat sinks.

>>88101669
And that's really too bad because HMP was so easy to use. I don't know how or why Rick Raisley just stopped producing updates to his programs. I vaguely remember something about real life getting in the way, but he doesn't have anything post-TRO 3067, so anything after the Field Manual arms race is out of date.

>>88101669
Yeah, it sucks that this old open source "RemLab" 'mech editor I've enjoyed using doesn't properly annotate stuff like Endo Steel & Ferro Fibrous Armor, and doesn't even allow you to "split crits" of huge weapons like AC/20 across two adjoining sections (such as CT & RT), which allows you to put an XL engine in a Hunchback, or justify that "*centerline* bore-axis" on your Marauder's spinally mounted Autocannon... but it sucks even more that the site is now broken. :/


>one or two slots remain empty [roll again]
>one slot in each arm and all slots in both legs taken by triple strength myomers
>remaining fourteen open slots taken by endo steel, mostly in both arms plus a few in that half-empty left torso

...but, is it insane or *BASED* to almost *always* include a 1-ton Cargo Pod behind the Cockpit of nearly all of 'mechs I refit/design? I just like having it, dabbing on opponents with my entire ton of dead weight, whose only use during tactical board play is to soak up a critical hit so that you don't get popped on that first headshot... but whose non-tactical, logistical and, gosh darnit, COMFINESS of imagining this little microstudio apartment pod with direct access from the cockpit for your pilot to sleep in. Mmmh! COMFY!

...is this BASED?

>>88102135
No, it's retarded, just as you yourself are, Spastic.

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>>88102194
Nah, see, I dunno if you know how to actually have fun, but thanks for sharing your less-than-fun convictions about a game where you dare refuse my batchall?!

>>88101973
'Preciated; non-optimal but super-duper-long-range & flavorful LB-2/X w/90 (ninety) rounds of ammo is flavored like long-range patrol and favored for heat mitigation, plus it's not like the cargo pod full of snacks is never gonna need to get refilled or anything.

90 rounds of autocannon ammo is just kinda fun to have around, especially when I try to hang way the heck back jumping hilltop to hilltop and taking potshots with my scattershot 1 or 2 pips of damage per round.

>duly noted re: difficult to read

>>88102135
>...is this BASED?
No, it's stupid. And rules-wise it would require five tons to do any way for even the most basic of quarters, which you can't mount on a 'Mech regardless.

If you want one ton of dead weight just carry an RL and fire it at the ground in front of you on turn one.

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Alright maggots, our anonymous benefactor paid a lot of C-bills to pay off your gambling debts, repair bills and bounties. All to assemble one of the biggest merc companies to go and fight these clan guys, or whatever they call themselves, in that new viking republic.

Now sound off, callsign and mech! Are you solo or with a lance?

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>>88099488
I'd actually argue that BT, at least my impression of it, generally has more right wing sensibilities to it. This makes sense though since the culture of 99% of the BT setting is basically the 80s but space

>>88102292
>90 rounds of autocannon ammo is just kinda fun to have around, especially when I try to hang way the heck back jumping hilltop to hilltop and taking potshots with my scattershot 1 or 2 pips of damage per round.

Fair enough, I guess, though it seems of limited use except against airplanes. It's also explodey.

On the other hand, two energy weapons plus a small AC is pretty Marauder.

>>88102310
...but what if I stored an entire extra additional third ton of autocannon ammunition in there, another 45 rounds, for a grand-total of 135 autocannon rounds onboard? The 45 stored in the Cargo Pod would probably require manually loading in the field to top off either or both depleted magazines in the torso. That's fun! Let's roleplay everybody getting out of their 'mechs and forming a human chain to help move giant bullets from the Cargo Pod to the loading port.

Why *can't* I build a 'mech with a second cockpit and a pair of seven-ton basic living quarters (with shared suite bathroom)? I thought Battletech was supposed to be about doing cool stuff with giant stompy robots; what happened to Battletech? WHERE IS THE FUN?

>>88102355
To not start a politics shitstorm here, there are those, including some authors (which I wont name *caugh*stackpole*caugh*) that claim battletech was always woke, because diversity or some stupid shit.

Regardless, battletech doesnt push any political agenda related to current year earth politics. To try to claim it does is asinine.

>>88102383
It's being used to help prop up a cupboard, manic.

>>88102355
I'm not sure it really maps onto modern politics well at all. Most of the states are neo-feudal, even the ebul gommies of the CapCon. Religion tends to be portrayed pretty neutrally; the cults of personality around the Kurita and Liao families are portrayed negatively because they're fascist, not because they're blasphemous.

Actually, between that and the general portrayal of the evil Asians, I guess there's a theme of "some authoritarianism is okay, but let's not get crazy, guys". This is reinforced by the Clans, whose socio-economic-political system doesn't map onto anything seen in history.

But even then, it's not like low-level authoritarianism is GOOD, it's just that it's OKAY. Though on the other hand, there's not really any faction showing how great democracy is, considering that the OA is a nothing and the FWL's democratic and regionalistic tendencies are played for jokes more than anything else.

ComStar is all of the anti-Catholic Church conspiracy theories put together with all the anti-corporate ones.

There's a pro-military aspect to the setting, and in particular leaders who are soldiers (Victor and Hanse, Theodore and Hohiro, Kai) are portrayed better than those who aren't (Sun-Tzu and Romano, Katherine), but that's to be expected from a war game.

More than that...I mean, writers in war games and military fiction tend to be right wing, and CGL is all Mormons who tend to be right wing, but I think BT is largely values-neutral.

>>88102394
I concur, whatever message BT is pushing is from several decades ago when politics were fundementally different (for a variety of esoteric reasons). But really I don't think it's pushing a message at all. I was specific when I said "sensibilities" in that the general consensus of the people in the setting is very different from now I'm how they think and act and respond to thing. Also diversity in the sense that there are different things in the setting period =\= current day diversity which seeks to replace everything unique with some corporatized woke bullshit. I fear I've gone to far into politics though so I apologize

>>88102367
>explodey
Because of high-risk gambling, explodey = fun; I shall therefore assuage my adolescent fears of many years ago, and carry *multiple* tons of explodey ammo but NO CASE for a bunch of sub-optimal ballistic weapons like an old boomer, which is a total 180 from how I always used to play (all energy weapons) as a high-schooler back in the early nineties.
>laughs in late forties

>two energy weapons plus a small AC is pretty Marauder

Yes, my friend; this is the familiar but fresh air of flavor country, with just a touch of third-millennia smokeless gunpowder & burnt metal... breath in it's zest, zealously.

>>88098104
>nostalgia'd hard @ this

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>>88102347
Iskander in a Raven, which I don't mind because that's my favorite light outside of the Wolfhound

>>88100348
>tfw armed with lasrifles and sniping every nip from like five screens away
>tfw intentionally trying to get into as many gunfights against kuritans as possible in order to grind loot & experience plus time before finally checking the stock prices again
>tfw investing everything in bakphar stock at the academy right before the invasion and not checking my portfolio until finally arriving at the other bank in the big town and just reloading the savefile from before the invasion if it didn't moon

Fugg, I ran so many playthroughs of this game. How many times y'all shot that one part of the grandstands, killing dozens of innocent spectators to escape the arena with a *decent* 'mech like a Jenner or Chameleon or even an Urbanmech? How many times did you just let the mechit-lube mechanics tear everything out of your Locust to jam in nothing but Machine Guns with ammo?

>>88102458
It's alright. It is a valid concern. People are not interested in being reminded of current year when in escapism.

40k is suffering from the same troubles, just worse. Some claim it's inherintly leftist because some of the creators came out as labour supporters and 'muh margaret thatcher pun', while others claim its too right wing because the imperium shares a few similarities with nazis,

It's stupid on both sides because 40k is meant to be as alien to our politics as the mind of a tyranid

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going by each era, what is the most sweaty wanky tryhard mech? no limits or custom builds.

>>88102673
Late SW is the Nightstar and DA is the Hellstar, definitely

>>88102383
Please put on a trip.

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What could have been...

>>88102785
The FedCom had to break up, either by physically being cut in half or a civil war, simply to keep it from eventually overwhelming the rest of the setting.

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>>88102347
Trick Shot, and part of my support company with my Rifleman. Here to make stick jockeys think twice before they attack my boys in the field.

>>88102827
we could've had plenty of stories about the true protagonists of the setting (Kuritans) defending their rightful clay against the militarily dominant barbarians who threaten the tranquility and prosperity of civilized space

>>88102695
Nightstar doesn't come out in the SW era, what the fuck anon. The FedCom had the Devastator in regimental numbers by 3044 though.

>>88102673
SW: Awesome, Marauder II
IS 3050s: Devastator, Thunder Hawk
Clan 3050s: Storm Crow, Dire Wolf. You would think the Timber Wolf and War Hawk could go here but the TW shits the bed on configs despite its sublime chassis while the Warhawk fucks both the base chassis and the variants aside from the C.
3060s IS: Stealth Pillager, Sagittaire
3060s Clan: Nova Cat
3070s+ IS: Warlord
3070s+ Clan: Hellstar, Septicemia/Pariah

>>88102671
>'muh margaret thatcher pun'
There's actually an interview with one of the creators and he said that when he was a kid they would play as orcs, and they had a made up language which is where the name ghazkull came from

>>88102446
It certainly doesn't work with modern politics well at all, but feudalism in general, as well as the general attitudes of people in the setting, are implicitly right wing, at least compared to what we've got now
>>88102671
That's stupid. People forget that in the past it was ok to make fun of stuff you didn't like without taking some standard bearer side in the current political zeitgeist. Also claiming that 40k is somehow leftist is insane man, these people really have demented minds

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Designing a custom Warhammer for the commander of my army, the New Anaheim Titans.

I started by looking at what they'd probably be aiming for in the early 3050s (WHM-7CS or 7S), then made it have blatant flaws (runs ridiculously hot at 50 heat Vs 38 in sinks, vanilla SRM4 not SSRM2, CT ammo bomb with no CASE, machine gun lol)

Would /btg/ say this is a reasonable 3050-52 era variant of the WHM-7S, or is it too optimised to be reasonable?

>>88103056
I'm good with it. In the Merch handbook 3055 there was the Crimson Crusader merc unit that had a special Crusader they had built. As far as the minuses you design has, it's fine with me. a MG ammo bomb with no CASE is always worthwhile.

Speaking of, how did you get the quicks on your design? Did you make that in MML or a different designer?

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Are there any mech "iconic duos"? What I mean by that is two mechs, preferably of different weight classes, being paired up together often, be it due to their function or some characters using them often. Like couple where the guy pilots a heavy brawler and his girlfriend pilots a light flanker, or a crazy older sister in her close combat assault and her more responsible brother watching her back in his bodyguard medium.

>>88102785
Remember the Fedcom civil war only happened because Victor did not dick his sister.

>>88103201
I just loaded up a WHM-7 something in Megamek Lab and changed the equipment, so I guess it kept the quirks.

>>88103222
Trebuchet and Centurion. Or Trebuchet and Trebuchet but with the LRMs replaced with equal tonnage of SRMs.

>>88103056
PROS:
>decently armored
>has machinegun to deal with dismounted infantry, bandits, prisoners & civilians
CONS:
>lackluster SRM-4 -- you're better off either upgrading it to SRM-6 with a second ton of ammo by dropping your Med.Laser+MG+Ammo, or simply dumping the missiles altogether in order to buy another Medium Laser & Machinegun to pair with the ones you already have, then get a nifty toy like a C3 module (cuz muh hq mecha), then go hard with whatever's left on extra Heat Sinks or even *more* Machine Guns.
>only has ONE machinegun... underwhelming secondary array of only one single machinegun plus one single medium laser -- it just doesn't feel like a Warhammer unless it's got proper gun nipple arrays (machinegun+med.laser+flamer+sm.laser), those little swiss army knife muzzle clusters are very appealing for some reason.

That six-pack box of rockets is so iconic to the Warhammer, it almost feels wrong discarding it.

>>88103222
Any of the Three Fifty-Fives working together in tandem, but I think it's usually a Wolverine with a Griffin working in long-range support

>>88103222

Grayson Death Carlyle (Shad, Marauder, and Victor) and Lori Kalimar (Locust and Shad)

>>88102347
is that writing chinese or japanese?

>>88103401
On the bottle? It looks korean

>>88103326
This is all fair, my idea was "we can't get 3 fancy SSRM2 but we can go 2x SRM4".

Similarly the torso guns are 3 MPL and 1 MG, MML just decided to be weird and combine them in the listing. They show up properly in the crit table though I think.

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>>88103401
A handy guide for you.

>>88103454
>tfw was high and thought there was only 1 srm-4 not 2 of them
8 rockets is respectable, so I retract my earlier statement of a lacklusterly missile array. Ah, and you do have 3 MPLs -- what kind of weed is this that I didn't even see the weapon quantity numbers? Yeah, I'm thinking your design's pretty based... but I'd swap out both SRM-4s for a single SRM-6, then invest the saved ton(s?) into a couple more machineguns. C'mon, Jack: machineguns; enuffa this low-test malarky. Three Medium Pulse Lasers in the LT, three Machine Guns split between CT & RT; move all of the ammo for MG & SRM to the legs, and maybe even add a couple of jump jets in the last two open leg slots (if you take Small Cockpit)?

So I have a project I'll be working on over the next week. The goal is to convert all the Epub novels into PDFs for convenience.

Got the main BTech play box in today. Too late to open it today (I want sunlight for the pictures) but it’s heavy and has lots of stuff. Not bad for the price of a single GW codex. But we’ll see. Looking forward to seeing how I can tackle painting the mechs.

>>88103407
where did they mostly settle?

>>88103484
thanks!

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>>88096720
I'm surprised the Other vote didn't have more meme options. Seriously. Not even a single "Butte Hold"

Also, question about Clan Warrior caste genetics. First, the Clans generally DON’T care about a Warrior with qualified genetics spreading them around in Freeborn…right? So what would constitute a loss or degradation of the official gene package? For example, if the Warrior did something bad? Or proved him/herself weak somehow? Would that just mean that individual’s genetics would not be worthy of official recognition and storage? Can a whole genetic lineage be wiped out? Could some salty khan exact revenge in this manner? Are there some lineages which are widely considered all but holy (Kerensky?) and Warrior who carry them have super high expectations attached to them their entire lives?

>>88096720
Thats a weird one for me. I've been in and out of Battletech since I first played the Sega Game back in the 90s and I got into the mini's aspect back in 2019.

>>88103734
If an individual warrior did something really bad, yes his line could be wiped out via a trial of Reaving, It's rare but happens.

There was also a case where it came out that an entire GB sibko had Wolverine DNA inserted into it so they just executed the entire sibko and called it a day.

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>>88102347
I'll put my ever-loyal custom rig into the running

>>88097514
Cyclops makes itself a juicy target. Everyone replying to you would be shooting the cyclops which means they wouldn't be shooting your other mechs.

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>>88102347
I don't know if they really want to pay my repair bills, but Hombre Muerto standing by.

>>88103896
Yeah, but that only buys you one turn considering its armor.

>>88103919
I had one survive two turns against an Axeman, Marauder and Hunchback earlier today. That gave me enough time to get my other mechs into brawling range. The clops lost an arm and the Axeman missed it's AC/20 shot, but still.

what is the best, cheapest, most cost effective class A or B custom refit you can do to a mech?

>>88096542
how long do you usually have in between sorties with mechs to repair / refit?

>>88104230
Flipping rear lasers to front lasers.

>>88096720
I was interested for years, but when the warhammer exodus hit I jumped on the bandwagon because there was finally people to learn it with. I still play a lot of other games because people who play only one game tend to be too busy defending their game to take a shower.

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>>88102347
Taco Grande aqui!
Arriba!

>>88097514
I wish there was a Kuritan version that replaced the AC/20 with a PPC or two. I love the Cyclops and I just want to sit back with it as my command mechs, like I would with a Marauder.

>>88104239
no! butt lasers forever!

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>>88102347
Call me Boots. I got stomping to do.

Is there anything like a 40k Inquisitor in BTech? Sone kind of high-power investigator / law enforcement who can bring in large amounts of resources to get at the target, is immune from national laws (in their home nation and relevant treaty nations anyway)? Are there groups or individuals who are in that general sphere of power and resources?

>>88104517
The closest you might get is high level ComStar members. They represent an agency with near unlimited power, even over the Great Houses, have potential access to powerful units with advanced technology in the ComGuards. Their power is at its highest in the Succession Wars and its lowest post-Gray Monday, when ComStar is outright bankrupt and dissolved.

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>>88096542

I read the Battletech novels from "Decision At Thunder Rift" through "Lost Destiny" and have to say they're pretty well written, with good plots and characters and would make for a cool tv series, using Avatar-tier CGI.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_BattleTech_novels

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Having gotten my hands on a blank STL for a Planetary Empires tile, I'm looking at upgrading and expanding my map. I'm using the Hextech STLs from Thunderhead Studios, so sadly I won't be sharing them due to copyright concerns, but here's a shot from my print software.

I am considering assembling my own hex tile and STLs and putting out a set of downloadable tiles for use with my campaign system.

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>>88102347
"Traveler" here, I'm ready to hunt.

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>88102383

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>>88102673
One that tends to get overlooked is the Annihilator. It's basically an urbie scaled up to the 100-ton size, but without even having jumpjets to offset the awful speed. It feels like something a tryhard forum warrior would come up with to min-max a mech to hell to get the best numbers possible, only for it to fall on its face in real battles due to its extreme inflexibility.

Pic related. It's designed like it's intended to be a stationary box with a huge gun. But in reality it ends up as trash.

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>>88105120
For me it's the fan 100 ton urbanmech.

>>88105156
wtf am I looking at here

>>88104517
Fronc Marshals in the early years, except everything has to be scaled down to third rate periphery standards. "Large" amounts of resources, as in they have a mech and can deputize pretty much anyone, are the judge, jury, and executioners (And therefore are immune to the law unless they commit suicide or another Marshal catches wind of them being particularly naughty). No power over other nations, because the only relevant nations near them are the two first rate periphery powers and a successor state. Also nowhere near that much power after Fronc graduates from wild west to civilized west. At that point, the Marshals take up an FBI-like position and mostly only come out for huge pirate raids or national mobilization, while local law enforcement and regular courts with full-time by-the-books judges handle normal crime.

>>88105228
I think the image, filename, and comment pretty well explain it.

>>88104230
MGs and ammo to armor and maybe heatsinks.

>>88105156
But IMP already exists.(Assault)
As does FLASHMAN.(Heavy)

>>88105120
At least the Annihilator has some amount of range. You just reminded me of the hyper entropic warfare guy and his slow ass hardened armor mechs armed only with SRMs and medium lasers and some such that he swore up and down to be the bestest mechs ever. And anyone who brought up obvious counters were wrong because you're not allowed to fight on any terms but his.

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The most savage battle of the campaign was fought today, between the forces of House Steiner and the Lyran Alliance. The Lyran Lance consisted of a Thunderbolt 5D, Axman 3S, Kintaro 2K, and Hollander G1, while the Outworlds Alliance brought a Battlemaster 1GB, Awesome 9Q, Wolverine 7K, and Panther 9R. By the end of the battle, the only mechs still standing were the Axman and Wolverine, with the Wolverine eventually forced to withdraw by loss of its primary weapon, leaving a barely functional Axman the victor.

The Lyran commander salvaged the OWA Battlemaster and Awesome. The OWA player in turn captured the wreckage of the Thunderbolt, recovered his own panther, and captured the Lyran Hollander pilot. The Hollander and Kintaro were both so thoroughly destroyed that they weren't even salvageable.

>>88105285
There's also the Arcade Ops UrbanMaster, which is a 70 ton Urbie that has a Gauss Rifle and Blazer.
And the UrbanKnight, which is... Batman, but as a 60 ton Urbanmech.
Canon chain drape when?

>>88102458
>current day diversity which seeks to replace everything unique with some corporatized woke bullshit
wokeness as in not everyone is white? People let the "diversity" in Battletech go because it generally portrays the non white races as the BADDER guys compared to the more "sensible" white houses (yes i know that all the houses have all sorts of skin tones and races, but its telling when whenever anyone refers to kurita or liao both of them are considered generally evil and both are portrayed primarily by asians.)

>>88105319
Also: The timeline in the campaign has advanced to 3062, so Big Bill Kell is now selling civil war gear like heavy gauss rifles, RACs, and C3i computers. He's also got mechs for sale. A Cataphract 3L that was sold to him by the Kuritans, a Mad Cat Mk II still new in box, and a box with sold as "Totally Legitimate Mad Cat, No Refunds, No Warranty"

It's a Rakshasa

>>88105484
why didn't your guys take ship to tharkad so that your mechwarriors could run a train on Katherine and save the entire fedcom through the power of Dick. every time she gets out of bed to go start the genocidal mania, just have another guy dick her down again. keep her perpetually fucked and pregnant so she can't go a murdering.

>>88103222
Hammer and Anvil. Fire Falcon and Black Lanner.

>>88103734
Use of combat drugs, EI, DNA being secretly tainted, or acts that are shameful (Aidan pretending to be a freebirth to get a second go at his career) would all qualify to varying degrees.

Technically all a Bloodname grants is the promise that your genes will be *considered* for inclusion in the breeding program. Usually they wait at least 10 years after a warrior's death to use their DNA.

>>88105588
Where’s that written? For curiosities sake.

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>>88104230
>>88104239
>>88105276

No no, I mean like a specific mech. And nothing like a straight upgrade like DHS or LBX autocannon.

pic unrelated, my waifu

>>88105705
That's a non-question, because the "best, cheapest, most cost-effective A or B swap" is going to be a straight upgrade, because there are straight upgrades available and none of the non straight upgrades will be best, cheapest, or most cost-effective. Also there are so many mechs that the answer will be the same for dozens, and equally best, but not the same, for dozens of others.

>>88105724
meh. sounds like your bitching out, but whatever.

>>88105734
>what's the answer to 1+1 in most systems of math?
>and don't give me any of that 2 shit. i want the real answer

>>88105756
It's 10.

>>88105756
>what is the most cost effective, mech specific class A or B refit that isn't DHS or LBX

>>88105665
Combat drugs is in the Hellions' entry for FM: CC.

EI is in its own wrte-up.

Aidan has an entire trilogy.

Smoke Jags deleted all the Mongoose's DNA (I think a few were trialled for by other clans, but otherwise gone) and the Ghost Bears had an entire Sibko suicide when they found out they had Wolverine genes.

>>88105779
>inb4 omni's
shut your clan whore mouth

>>88105776
Oh, well then rip two flamers out of a Firestarter (I suggest the arm and forward mounted one) with two more tons of MG ammo. It's supposed to kill infantry after all, and flamers are pushed by big fusion lobbies.

>>88105705
Dragon to Grand Dragon.

>>88105779
i mean isn't regular ac to lbx model of ac.

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>>88105788
why you such a cheeky cunt?

>>88105807
Why are you a fusion shill?

>>88103734
Checking the poll results by fishing for the BoK scene?

>>88096766
There's basically no blood coming into the game from after Mech4, because the customization system in that game was fucky in the name of multiplayer. The difference between recruiting players raised with Mechwarrior 3 versus mechwarrior 4 was significant. When Fasa closed it's doors, only a handful of distributors even continued carrying Battletech outside of clix.

MWO led to a small uptick, so did HBS and AGOAC, maybe Mech5 though I have my doubts, but really it was the kickstarter that got the ball rolling. We're talking a 15 year gap 2004-2019 between periods of significant player draw, mostly kept on life support as a niche title by the core fans. Whether it's accessibility, reduced unit cost, redesigns, reasonable shipping prices, or bargain kickstarter prices. There's also the chunk of people that only showed up because they can't be arsed to play anything that doesn't already have players for it, and there's those that only showed up because they were angry at GW but BT has a comparably fat wiki.

>>88102446
Sun tzu isnt portrayed well???

>>88105916
He's portrayed as intelligent and capable, but also as a devious snake, completely untrustworthy and devoid of honor, driven only by ambition and pride.

Not unlike Katherine. Though Sun Tzu never lost at literally anything aside from the Wolf's Dragoons "trial of position".

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>>88096766
For a game that pretty much requires autism and/or a degree in History or an adjacent field that hasn't really had a 'big' hit since the early 2000s, yeah no that vote tracks. The current HBS/Kickstarter/GWreeeeee era is the first surge of fresh players in a long time. Like I've been playing the vidya and reading lore pretty steadily since I was a wee lad in '99, since til recently I've never had an actual tabletop community to play with. My local community is myself, two players I've recruited, and two others they've drawn in. I've also been told there's a few grogs who were living under a rock til recently that exclusively play AS. In a city of 300k+, that isn't particularly impressive compared to the Warhammer scene.

>>88105959
>He's portrayed as intelligent and capable, but also as a devious snake, completely untrustworthy and devoid of honor, driven only by ambition and pride
Sounds like hanse

Sunny-Boi compares to Jamie Wolf?

>>88106005
very hit and miss imo, thinks very highly of themselves for writing said hit and miss

>>88106005

Pretty good. Let's be honest: most of the BattleTech writers aren't exactly writing great literature. But he was a decent writer, probably one of the better ones for BattleTech.

Though he had started to let his politics leak into his writing a little in the past couple years before his firing.

>>88106025
hour of the wolf is what sticks out to me as a miss

>>88106025
he was my favorite. Highlander's Gambit was my introduction to battletech and I read all that I could, of all authors.

The important thing to remember though he wasnt fired for being a boomer on twitter, he was fired because when fanatics purchased topps, as with most corporate purchases, they have an analyst comb through everything in their new acquisitions for anything that could potentially be problematic, no matter who is at fault, and get rid of it, no matter what. It wasnt about his twitter account, as many will say, it was purely because a stalker larped as a lesbian nurse (during the era of all healthcare workers are superheroes) and claimed 'she' was being harassed.

CGL knew of this conflict and for the most part let it be before the buyout
CGL knew of his twitter boomerism and let if be before the buyout

It was all down to the buyout and someone high up said "theres a fight with a freelance writer and some lesbian nurse, dont care whats going on, get rid of him so we dont get a twitter mob to hurt our bottom line"

>>88106005
For a writer of books that'd otherwise be completely lost in the void of 'faceless generic sci-fi novels' on a bookstore shelf, he was pretty decent. Grand scheme of things however, nothing of particular value was lost, and I think it'll be entertaining to see what happens when the madness really kicks in.

>>88106028
like or hate the latest era, but it was pretty much authored by him.

Also he was one of the few authors that actually gave a damn about fans and frequently included them in his works as little cameos and homages. He canonized randolph p checkers (aka Tex) and van zandt. As well as others like kickstarter backers and such.

>>88106005

I've only read Exodus Road and Roar of Honour of his. Roar of Honour is fine but ultimately forgettable.
Exodus Road however is actually very good. Trent is an interesting, believable and sympathetic character. Given how vital he is as a character to the setting (he's the guy who led the Inner Sphere to the Clans) BLP did him justice.

>>88106130
that's fair and honestly i don't mind the ilclan era i enjoy what I've read of it so far but i think that book could have gone through a few more drafts first

>>88106104
>and I think it'll be entertaining to see what happens when the madness really kicks in.

It's already started. His new book has a little passage about how a man has to be proud of having a penis to properly pilot a mecha.

>>88106096
And nothing of value was lost.

And anon, your opinion of BT authors is shit, and you're objectively wrong for having BLP as your favorite. You're putting BLP over Robert Charrette and William Keith Jr. You have no opinions worth noting.

>>88106244
>but i think that book could have gone through a few more drafts first

Not his fault.

CGL barely bothers with editing. Now that everything is electronic, they've become a video game company, relying on players for bug reports. Check out one of the error report threads for a newly released work; it's embarrassing.

>>88106244
I would agree. Though ilclan is pretty rushed to be homest. I get the feeling cgl is trying to shove it out the door to build kickstarter momentum

Funny aside, cgl keeps contacting blp and asking him "as an influencer" to record a video about what battletech means to him to help promote the kickstarter. He's obviously declining lol

>>88106264
>NOOOO YOU CANT LIKE HIM, I WAS TOLD BY REDDIT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HATE HIM! STOP LIKING HIM REEEEEE

>>88106270
>Funny aside, cgl keeps contacting blp and asking him "as an influencer" to record a video about what battletech means to him to help promote the kickstarter. He's obviously declining lol

funny that he can't like, produce a screenshot or something to prove that but I wouldn't be surprised. All of the Pardoe shit is literally just kayfabe nonsense at best. He wasn't even fired, he was just benched for awhile, CGL literally promoted the launch of the first LAND&SEA book in January and still employ his business partner in said venture to this day.

Blaine said that CGL never did a single thing for him, but I really have to wonder with them literally protecting him and not giving a fuck for years about his behavior what he wanted them to do; publicly say "NECK YOURSELF, TRANNY" to his stalker? Companies don't want drama, don't want to be involved in drama etc.

At the end of the day, Pardoe's politics aren't brand safe and never will be. They will always be a huge disadvantage to the people who hold them and this will only continue. Imagine simping for the confederacy in 1866+ lmao

Speaking of the ilClan, I've been looking at the maps and apparently Tau Ceti/New Earth, Summer, and Northwind are the last three Republic systems that haven't been officially conquered.
I assume Northwind will revert to being run by the Highlanders, but what do you think will happen to Tau Ceti and Summer? Tau Ceti will likely be annexed by the Wolves or the Cappies, but Summer is in an interesting place between Falcon territory and the Galatean League. Seems like a cool setting potentially.

>>88106384
northwind is still being threatened by cappies in the form of relentless merc raids with the objective of attiring the northwind grey watch which has recently absorbed the ROTS legion that was stationed there im unsure about the other worlds though im just going off of the most recent northwinds blurb we got

>>88106360
>publicly say "NECK YOURSELF, TRANNY" to his stalker?
Yes, CGL should have said exactly that. That's what supporting your employees is about.

>>88106576
Important note, he wasn't an employee, he was a freelancer. Also it was probably the suits at Topps who wanted the PR issue to go away using the quickest and easiest method possible, which is definitely just cutting the freelancer loose rather than going on some kind of twitter crusade to defend him.

>>88104607
please do!

>>88106664
Most of CGL's writers are freelancers. BLP worked for BattleTech for almost 30 years, participating in a lot of important events.

Him being a freelancer made it very easy to "fire" him by not renewing his annual contract, but let's not minimize his contribution. He was part of the core BT team.

it was still probably right to fire him from a financial perspective

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>>88102347
"Mayhem" reporting in.
If them Vikings are paying im all for killing some deep periphery weirdos

I'm looking for a good text on the strategic aspect of BT warfare, how BattleMechs, lostech and scarcity led to the current paradigm of small amounts of mechs fighting over entire planets. Is there anywhere this topic is sensibly covered? I loved Strike Legion's booklet on how grav technology shaped warfare on strategic and operational level and hope there's an equivalent.

Also, is there a comprehensive fan attempt at rescaling the BT universe so that the mech numbers make more sense? Not asking "did anyone have this idea before" - obviously they did; asking whether anybody wrote some stuff about how it would look.

>>88105358
le "wokeness" does not mean everyone is not White. Wokeness is a very specific sanitized(in the worst way) version of diversity which is at the very least mean spirited towards Whites and is generally perverse in it's sensibilities. The diversity in BT I'd say is more genuine and sincere. Kurita and Liao are Asian centric cultures and as a consequence of that, operate differently compared to the more Western European centric cultures of the other houses. Also while each house has a plurality of people held within it, I think it still makes more sense to primarily portray Kurita as Japanese and Steiner as Germans for example, it makes things funner and leans into people genuinely being different in a meaningful way, as opposed to some parasite saying that every faction is gonna be made up of black lesbians or something which does not fit the spirit of the setting at all

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>>88107139
>rescaling the BT universe so that the mech numbers make more sense?
I'm not sure if you're talking logistically or in terms of combat ranges, but if you're talking range we had a couple of guys discussing that a couple of threads ago. The discussion starts here when an anon posts pic related:
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/87643070/#87647014

>>88107230
I mean mech numbers but thx

>>88102446
Just to interject, I'm more right leaning in my personal politics and I always felt that the setting is effectively playing out as a historical record. Feudalism in the setting is shown in a neutral light at best but really the overall theme to me was that such right wing methods of rule like fascism and feudalism will only lead to more suffering. Much in the same way non democratic states have a tendency to engage in irredentism or revaunchism, the IS has one too many strong men with too much power, regardless of how many good rulers there are, there's another ambitious one ready and willing to start a war.

>>88107358
Fuck off retard we will discuss how National Socialism is the only hope for the future and you will like it, you reddit spacing sperg.

>>88107389
Okay you Steiner buttmunching faggot social general. Go kiss your local commissars butthole and thank the command economy for the latest famine which killed 70 million people.

>>88107228
>I think it still makes more sense to primarily portray Kurita as Japanese and Steiner as Germans for example, it makes things funner and leans into people genuinely being different in a meaningful way

Exactly. Somehow it's more obvious with the Marians, but every House is LARPing. Look at the Lyrans; by history and planet names, the dominant cultural force should probably be some sort of vague pan-Celtic thing. The House Steiner books both have second about the deliberate Germanification of the Commonwealth, and the Kurita books about the Japanification of the Combine. Both acknowledge that it's a fake, exaggerated culture used more for nation-building than actual heritage. And we all saw the CapCon become Chinese in real time.

>>88106360
Only reason I see CGL asking him to promote the Kickstarter is because they, presumably in good faith, promoted the launch of his first book. And Brent Evans - his business partner - is the Art Director at CGL. That likely holds a lot more weight than being a freelance writer.

Does anyone know more about this unit?

https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Spotlight_On:_Payne%E2%80%99s_Raiders

>>88107565
Embers of War.

>>88107588
Is it included in the story or was the product itself never published?

>>88107565
The Raiders are a clique within the Stealthy Tigers mercenaries that ended up on the AMC side during the Jihad. They managed to take the company dropship and flee to rest and refit but intended to join the Dismal Disinherited. The Disinherited themselves ended up being wiped out two years later with no further mention of what happened to the Raiders.

>>88106005
Wrote one good book and then a whole bunch of shit.

In the one somewhat original novel he did he managed to create interesting characters and scenes and set up the Twilight of the Clans series well. Ultimately Gressman was the surprise hit of that series but I can only assume he got tired of FASA's shit because he didn't do too much for them afterwards.

The biggest problem is his weird personal fixations (the Confederacy, Scots, muh rootin' tootin' freedom-lovin' Republic) bleeding through the page to assault the reader's eyes.

>>88106025
>Though he had started to let his politics leak into his writing a little in the past couple years before his firing.
Dude, he was going sideways by the FCCW.

>>88107917
Cry more

Has anyone else read By Blood Betrayed? I thought it was pretty good Periphery story

>>88108128
Too much mystery box bullshit.

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>>88099729
I'm not sure why more people don't just make their own these days. Amazon sells decal paper. Printers are not exactly uncommon these days in the developed world.

Am I missing something?

>>88108150
What do you mean?

The biggest takeaway from the whole Pardoe debacle is that once again corporate America is willing to kick people to the curb because an accusation is enough to destroy anyone these days, bad PR cannot be countered with facts, and no struggle session is enough to satisfy the e-mob braying for blood.

A man LARPing as a troon who had a bone to pick was enough to get a writer who had been with the game since TRO 3025 unpersoned as far as BattleTech is concerned.

And that is really sad.

>>88107139
I dont know

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>>88108399
Why doesnt BLP just larp as a troon and accuse the handicap nurse of calling people niggers?

Warfare had changed

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Why don't we see the philosophy of "what if we take x mech and bump it up a weight class" more often?

>>88108649

That was a flagrant attempt to sidestep the unseen issue you white mans whore

>>88108673
Wolf's Dragoons sourcebook introduced the Marauder II in 1989. The lawsuit wasn't until 1995 or so. So no, putting jump jets and adding 25 tons to the Marauder wasn't about sidestepping the Unseen issue.

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>>88108649
Better question - why we dont see factions converting common mechs of their opponents to their liking?

>>88108649
Most mechs either good enough as is in their weight class, making them heavier would actually make them less useful, or there is already an assault that covers it's niche.
I myself have tried many times to make an assault warhammer II but none of them were any good. Something like the grasshopper is meant to be agile, so making it heavier and only able to move at 3/5 takes away from that, and then the orion is literally described as a poor man's atlas

>>88108202
Printer ink is infamous for being retardedly overpriced for what you get.

>>88108838
Because it's easier to produce their own variant, rather than issuing field refit kits for every enemy 'mech type. Your OC lance commander can still have his ace custom.

>>88099729
>a bunch of anime pinups
>Then they stopped making them for no apparent reason
Well isn't that disappointing, I have a kuritan lance that a pinup or two would go wonderfully on

>>88108918
Its not, use toner

>>88099729
Bros.....

>>88108399
That was probably just their public reason. The reality is Pardoe has been suffering from aging boomer on the internet syndrome for a while now. Do you not remember the Urbenmech IIC rant?

>>88108202
depends on your printer the DPI wouldn't be very good. if you look at the image, for example, it looks quite pixelated. but if you have a good printer and good access to decal paper, as well as decent photoshop skills, it's certainly possible

>>88109308
I do. I have no doubt he was a royal pain in the ass to deal with, and had that been the reason to cut ties with him, that would have been fine. Or just slowly cutting projects involving him. But the optics of it and the faux-troon taking it public and some of the writers saying the order to not renew his contract came from Topps or Fanatic meant that wasn't how it played out.

>>88108399
>faggot retards ruin everything
Yeah

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>>88108649
clanners do that shit a lot, the tonned up stuff like the rifleman, warhammer, phoenix hawk etc. which was also how fasa got around the copyright issue by making the designs essentially fatter/larger or in the case of the rifleman iic giving it a sombrero

>>88108649
>"what if we take x mech and bump it up a weight class"
There are a number IIC variants are this. Also the whole MadCat line of this as well, Mk II is the upscale version and Mk III is the down scale version. There is a Rifleman II (80 tons, no real stats) & III (90 tons, a boondoggle failure). Crab line also feature King Crab and Hermit Crab. Plus the whole 6 Celestial series with 30 tons Malak up to 100 tons Archangel.
So, it isn't rare idea.

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>tfw no petite and plain but malicious looking Capellan gf
>always plotting something and you never know if she's a double agent working towards your downfall or if her sob story about escaping the Confederation is real and she's just paranoid and coming up with contingency plans on how to protect you if everyone else betrays you

The rest of IS just can't compare.

>>88107230
I’m the guy who made that screenshot and someone pointed out that the hexes are meant to represent max *effective* range, not max range period. So my initial math was wrong. It should actually be something like x18 hexes and then convert to meters with x30. In that case a medium laser’s max *effective* range is ~4.9km, which is still pretty close to the horizon but not the extreme numbers in my initial napkin math

That’s from ground-level measurements, at least. At mech-height those numbers are probably a bit bigger, but the point is made all the same

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>they made a Stormcrow B mini
>missed it
Well that's a bummer, I like that fucker.

>>88109674
Something else to consider is that according to the fluff in novels and short stories and whatnot, when shots miss they barely miss, as in by inches, and usually because the target manages to twist or move out of the way at the last second. So your PPC shot may actually go all the way to the horizon and if you aim at a stationary target five or six kilometers away, but aiming at a Mech moving and you're moving and you line up your shot and he moves at the very last second and you watch your shot miss by millimeters.

Plus the game is just an abstraction. If every weapon effectively has an unlimited range, then the only stats that matter are range breaks.

>>88109678
I know batman has been around for nearly a century and comics got weird sometimes but what could him and robin possibly be talking about here?

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>>88109580
i've always had the vibe that the Mad Cat MKII was more of a Nightstar that had surface level Timber Wolf features added on, at least for the first iteration with the twin arm gauss rifles. In both its armaments and its intended function, it's much closer to what the Nightstar would have been if upgraded with Clan technology, with some LRMs tossed in for the mad cat look.

>>88109738
Yeah in the same conversation where I posted the initial math I mentioned that I understand why the game works the way it does, and I understand why novelists basing their writing on the game would end up just copying it’s ranges for drama. Truth be told finding out the “real,” ranges for BT weapons is just a fun thought experiment (or useful for vs threads)

>>88109674
>someone pointed out that the hexes are meant to represent max *effective* range, not max range period.

This is bullshit every time someone says it, just like the extra tonnage of the targeting computer being "for high precision aiming gear".

It's a convention to make the game fun. FASA wanted a game where maneuver mattered a lot with 28mm-ish models, that could be played on an average kitchen table. That meant that ranges and movement speeds needed to be somewhat comparable.

One solution would have been to make turns much longer, but they wanted fast-paced combat in the novels and for the game to roughly match that.

It's a perfectly reasonable fudge, but I wish people would stop trying to explain it "rationally".

>>88109702
>Stormcrow B
Get one arm from a Nova and another arm from a Summoner and it's a fine approximation of the variant.

>>88109747
Robin: "Holy manhole covers Batman! I know you like poking me through my green Speedo, but I have to tell you, I'm not sure about this whole keeping a teenage boy in his underwear living in a cave thing. Besides...I, I'm kind of interested in girls."
Batman: "Yeah...just don't let it become a fetish."

>>88109765
Anon, see >>88109756. We are all adults and already understand the context. This is just for fun. Have a snickers

>>88109379
>But the optics of it and the faux-troon taking it public and some of the writers saying the order to not renew his contract came from Topps or Fanatic meant that wasn't how it played out.

I suspect that they'd been planning on firing him for a while, but the whole thing with the schizo stalker provided them with impetus: they cut him off as it seemed he might become a real liability, and it gave them an opportunity to look a little woke.

I think that supporting him on his original novels happened after the backlash against him failed to appear. But they aren't going to go back on the firing because they were planning to soon anyway.

>>88109765
Another solution would be to add an Extreme Long Range band with a +6 To Hit Modifier. Short Range times 4 works.

So your basic LRM would be S: 1-7 M:8-14 L: 15-21 E:22-28
Your basic ML would be S: 1-3 M: 4-6 L: 7-9 E: 10-12
And so on.

>>88109747
Wonder Woman actually IIRC, they were visiting the Fortress of Solitude for Superman's birthday and it was his first time meeting her.

>>88109838
Isn’t that already an advanced/optional rule?

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Any mechs that have an ultimate move?

>>88108838
Having planned-out field refits for any salvaged & repaired or captured enemy 'mechs so they can be swiftly integrated into friendly logistics is far too sensible for BT. Better to issue a new factory variant and wait until it arrives.

>>88109868
Yes, along with LoS range.
Funny how most of the bitching is people who clearly don't play the game beyond its most basic.

>>88109871
Urbanmech using death from above

>>88109913
Or just haven't memorized every optional rule.

A shocking idea, I know.

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>>88109938
get a load of this scrub

>>88109871
Charger at 8 hexes

>>88109774
I would if one of those wasn't stuck in the clan invasion box as far as I know.

>>88109871
Alpha striking with a Nova.

>>88109616
I have no idea why you are possessed with the idea that Katejina is Liao but I guess I at least appreciate you posting her here. I literally could have saved her bro

>>88109702
iwm sells it currently in metal

>>88109998
You can, in the superior SRW30 timeline.

>>88109812

They can’t hire him back. Isn’t too often you see a bridge burned from both ends simultaneously, but there it is.

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>>88109838
for anyone curious, that means that >>88109674 changes from x18 hexes to x24 hexes for ""realistic,"" max effective range. a medium laser goes up from ~4.9km to ~6.4km. a large laser "maxes out," at 14.4km and an AC/5 "maxes out," at ~17.3km. so a Rifleman unfortunately doesn't reach deep into Earth's stratosphere (lowest point is something like 19km IIRC) but it's definitely going to reach close to the operation ceiling of most modern fighters (an F-15 has an operation ceiling of about 65,000 feet, which translates to just over 19km)

so going off these ranges, yes the Rifleman is actually a pretty decent anti-air platform

before the thread ends:
>>88102513
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>>88103851
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>>88104259
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>>88106974
>x1 raven
>x1 rifleman
>x1 black knight
>x1 highlander
>x2 atlas
>x2 marauder
not actually a bad company. the Raven feels a bit wasted because there's not a lot of long-range smashing power to take advantage of its spotting unless one of those Atlases is a gauss+PPC variant, so it's got to be a harasser or provide ECM cover to make sure all that heavy metal gets into smashing range

>>88110055
And even if the bridge wasn't burnt from both sides, who say he'd even want to be hired back? Even if someone bought BattleTech outright from Topps/Fanatics, he may simply figure that far too many of the same people who did him dirty would still be working behind the scenes as editors and developers and what ever else. Not to mention, it may be just an open wound as far as he's concerned and simply wouldn't want the reminder.