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>>88096184
>How do you steer the more murder-y members of your group/party back on track when they seem laser focused on killing as their one solution to every problem?
It seems to me that those issues are usually a product of mismatched expectations between GM or players. Before you even start the first session you should have figured out if this is a serious thing, tongue in check, if your players just want a sandbox to blow shit up in or if they want some kind of story. Doesn't have to be just one thing all the time, but everyone should have had an opportunity to communicate what they want and don't want. Then you meet somewhere in the middle.

If a player is just trying to derail a session just let it play out.
Wanton destruction will attract the attention of the authorities, turn the populace and any bystanders against you, sb will put a bounty on your head, nobody wants to trade with or hire them anymore etc.
It's a roleplaying game, so just roleplay.

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>>88096559
This. If tehey want t obe le edgy dark siders teach them that it takes more to be a villain than just killing everyone you come across.

I mean, they can be all selfish and centered on notrhing but their own gain, but tehy gota realize that other people will push back.

Did the site go offline again?

>>88096184
Sector Marshall Tuford J. Bustice and his never ending fleet of police Cloakshapes. Real answer: bounties placed on characters, limited contact support, treated as a social paraiah, court martial if in a military and/or a visit from Darth Vader/Luke/Obi-Wan/Dooku/ whoever is the big glowstick waver for the era

>>88097606
No, Star Wars is just dead.

>>88096184
Sw fanboys will bitch about how ep. 8 made Luke into a murder hobo while simultaneously complaining about how there wasn't an action scene where he killed a bunch of bad guys with his green lightsaber.

>>88097718
SW fanboys are mentally 12 years old, you shouldn't expect real arguments from them.

>>88097718
Are you making arguments to get angry? Literally no one called him a murder hobo. How the hell is he one when he doesn't kill anything?

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>>88097718
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>>88097937
Note that the first person is also almost certainly mentally 12 years old because they're on 4chan.

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>>88094858
>Is it worth picking up the starter set for the cards?
Like the one anon said the Legion essentials kit comes with all the starter box stuff sans units and their unit cards. The core rules are offered as a free download on their website. The starter box is best if you want the units that come with it. Also the card upgrade pack is good as it gives you cards that were packaged with things you don't want.

>Are the snows strictly better?
Honestly not sure. Legion is like a team sport were your units play off of each other, one unit setting up the ball for another to spike it so to speak. As example Stormtroopers want aim tokens. General Veers gives 1 aim token to 2 units. The Imperial Officer gives 1 aim token to 1 unit. The Electrobinoculars equipment upgrade gives 1 aim token to 1 unit. To how I see it this is a at a glance between the two, each unit gets 2 actions:

>Stormtroopers
>shoot, shoot
>move 5 inch, shoot
>move 5 inch, move 5 inch

>Snowtrooper
>shoot, shoot
>move 3 inch, shoot, shoot
>move 3 inch, move 3 inch, shoot

Storms move faster and can shoot more accurately with aim tokens, Snow shoot more but are slower and have no extra accuracy bonus. Also note I didn't include aim and dodge actions in the example. "Better" is based on the play style theme you want to play. Everything is out there on the net for you to do your research. It's the nice thing about Legion the company makes its money selling models not rule words (no army books and C&D letters). I need to toss in than I'm not a expert on the game and am myself just getting into it. My initial build is Veers/AT-ST/Storms with sideboard to tweak. Not to discourage but a bit of core Imperial has wave 1 syndrome. When the game came out the minis were made of PVC that is hell to clean mold lines off of. Later stuff is standard polystyrene. Pic of what I have ready to start painting.

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>>88097643
Only if you let Disney win.

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>>88098353
>what if elves but grey
What a creative design, bravo EU.

>We live in a timeline where Picard S3 is more engaging than Mando s3
How did this happen? Did the Favreau magic finally wear off after Book of Boba Fett?

>>88098501
Mando season 2 was also garbage, you just didn't realize it yet.

>>88097965
you can only take one attack action per turn unless a card lets you cheat (Bossk and Luke command cards for example). Snows are more mobile and dangerous up close than Storms, Storms have better heavy weapons and aim token utility.

>>88098466
The Arkanian Offshoot come in two flavours- "Human, but grey" and "Elf, but grey". Jarael, the lovable piece of bullshit she is, is "Half-Elf, but grey".

>>88098517
I would say most of the eps in Mando S2 was solid, even if they relied too much on fanservice and repetitive hallway shootouts with absolutely no tension.

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>>88098517
Mando season 1 was garbage. Season 2 was a lot better in every way. Season 3 is garbage, except for Bo-Katan arc. Din Djarin and Baby Yoda should have fucked off after S2 and Bo should have become the main character. There is nothing left to do with Din and Grogu, and they just undid their arc for money.

>>88098780
>Season 2 was a lot better in every way.
I'm glad you enjoy characters you know from other pieces of media interacting with eachother. I'm glad someone gets joy out of that, I guess.

>>88098789
No, it was just better in every way. It was better technically, it didn't feel as claustrophobic and obviously filmed in the Volume, Season 2 also had a clear sense of direction and plot progression: deliver the kid to the Jedi, whereas Season 1 felt like pointless meandering after the first 3 episodes. Some of the best looking and best directed episodes are from Season 2. If you are dumb enough to seethe only because of the established characters, then you are a dumbass, I guess.

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>>88098789
>I'm glad you enjoy characters you know from other pieces of media interacting with eachother
how much of a friendless autistic shut-in stick-in-the-mud do you have to be to take umbrage with character interactions and development in a fantasy quest? seriously, what narcissistic antisocial personality disorder causes this pointless enmity? if you're so fucking salty about existence, then take your leave of it and kill yourself, and spare the rest of us your maudlin moping

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>watch rebels
>their tactic for dealing with an imperial blockade was just throw a CR90 head on at like three arquitens
>cr90 is unsurprisingly taken out killing around 45-160 rebels
How did Hera get her rank again?

>>88098862
what part of BLOCKADE RUNNER don't you understand

How do I hack my brain into enjoying TCW/Rebels as a 31 year old? It makes me feel like a child, like I shouldn't be doing it.

>>88098830
I would have been completely fine with the show remaining mostly episodic (aside from Din/Grogu's relationship developing plus some recurring characters) and they didn't actually deliver Grogu to Luke (if at all, maybe they could have just delivered him to his home planet instead) until the series finale.

>>88098862
She gives mean head.

>>88098886
I really like TCW as the Star Wars show I never got as a kid but Rebels just sucks ass.

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>>88098886
>It makes me feel like a child, like I shouldn't be doing it.
Why do you consider feeling like a child to be a bad thing?

>>88098886
As was discussed a thread or two ago, Disney meddling made sure that Rebels was as kid-friendly as possible, with jokes and gags at regular intervals. How much of either show have you watched, because Clone Wars gets "mature" episodes pretty early on.

>>88098886
>It makes me feel like a child
Usually recreating the feelings of when you were young is praised.

>>88098886
If you are bothering with Star Wars AT ALL as a 31 year old, but feel embarrassed for bothering with Star Wars CARTOON, then you are probably just retarded. Star Wars is for 12 year olds. Most of the Star Wars movies are literally CGI cartoons with a couple of live-action actors against green screen.

>>88098862
I more wonder what the plan was when they got through. It's not like the imperial ships are stuck facing away from the planet.

>>88098938
in b4 "but empire strikes back was SOOO mature and kino!"

>>88098830
>Season 2 also had a clear sense of direction and plot progression
This is a downside and not an upside. The show was better when it was episodic and turning it into a Big Important Story was a mistake.
>>88098851
I like character interactions, I just like those interactions to be about new characters we can learn to care about instead of Boba Fett interacting with Bo Katan so someone somewhere can squee in joy.

>>88098912
CS Lewis is based but I don't feel embarrassed if other people found out I just feel silly doing it because it's a childrens show. It's like if I started watching Arthur or something
>>88098919
I got like 3 seasons in on TCW
>>88098938
Maybe it's the live action vs cartoon that my brain can be tricked by? I know a lot of it is CGI but the films still have people getting beheaded and gutted and blown to shit and and that seems more age appropriate in live action vs a cartoon

>>88098965
>This is a downside and not an upside. The show was better when it was episodic and turning it into a Big Important Story was a mistake.
No, sorry. I don't like having my time wasted. Baby Yoda's cute gags got old by the middle of S1. Couldn't care less. Plot progression and getting rid of the green shithead was a good thing. But who cares, they undid all of that anyway.

>>88098965
Old characters had to be new sometime, and all new characters eventually get old. The franchise can't be an endless litany of new characters replacing each other every 6 seconds to satisfy ADHD-addled zoomer brains, this isn't Crimson Empire.

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>>88098967
>but the films still have people getting beheaded and gutted and blown to shit
Cartoons also have that, and more. Your point?

>>88098967
>but I don't feel embarrassed if other people found out I just feel silly doing it because it's a childrens show
Seems like you're embarrassed on your own behalf.

>>88098967
>It's like if I started watching Arthur or something
Arthur is based you idiot, you're literally inventing tulpas to be peer pressured by like some damn schizo.

>>88098981
>The franchise can't be an endless litany of new characters replacing each other every 6 seconds to satisfy ADHD-addled zoomer brains, this isn't Crimson Empire.
It can't be an endless litany of the same characters from the various movies and shows somehow encountering and constanty running into each other in what is supposed to be a huge galaxy either.

>>88098517
Mando season 1 was self-contained and borderline episodic, made with passion: best received Star Wars in years.
Mando season 2 was transparent setup for other D+ shows, some of which were decent regardless: mostly positive but much more muted reception.
Mando season 3 is a depressing combination of management-mandated setup for the Sequels/attempts to explain the unexplainably dumb pre-Sequel context, and marketing-mandated Puppet Mommy pandering; viewership and audience appreciation tank.

Disney-Lucasfilm: whAt cOUld PosSIbLy bE cAUsINg ouR DEcliNiNG REvenUE?!?!

>>88099001
Yes it can because that's how fiction works. Social animals like humans demand familiarity. That's why Ash Ketchum is still friends with Misty and Brock and still meets Jessie and James after 10 million episodes of Pokemon.

>>88099015
A single piece of media can have recurring characters, that's not exactly surprising. Entirely separate series that happen to be set in the same universe all sharing the same characters is not necessary, it shows a lack of confidence in your new characters.

>>88098982
My point is what I said before, that for some reason seeing that in a cartoon feels different than live action. The films don't seem as childish as the cartoons even though they contain the same things
>>88098988
Perhaps. It's not like I don't want to watch it, I do want to watch it, but when I do watch it I feel silly and eventually stop. How do I fix that?
>>88098996
What are you talking about?

>>88099001
>>88098965
Why is it that having the same characters reappear in multiple entries of Star Wars movies is ok, but when it happens in a tv show it suddenly becomes bad? Why weren't you angry 43 years ago when Empire Strikes Back brought back those boring old droids and walking carpet and shortstack princess and whiny farmboy and smartass smuggler and nigger robot samurai? Don't you want new characters? After all there's a whole fucking galaxy out there, it doesn't make sense that the movies would follow the same characters around...OH WAIT YES IT DOES YOU FUCKING MORON

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>>88099034
>How do I fix that?
Easy, you just don't stop watching it.

>>88099033
>Entirely separate series that happen to be set in the same universe all sharing the same characters is not necessary, it shows a lack of confidence in your new characters.
>he doesn't know about the Cheers cinematic universe

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>>88099034
>The films don't seem as childish as the cartoons
You're just retarded.

>>88099045
>Why is it that having the same characters reappear in multiple entries of Star Wars movies is ok
It wasn't. It was fucking stupid when R2/C3PO, Boba, and Chewbacca appeared in the prequels.

>>88099045
A direct sequel to Star Wars containing the same characters as Star Wars is a little different than a story set in the Star Wars universe containing the same characters as an entirely separate Star Wars story. An example of what you're describing is people complaining about, say, the sequels fitting in Han Solo and Luke Skywalker only to treat the characters like shit and making the movies worse as a result of them being there, which I'd say is a fair argument.

>>88099053
I finished season 1 of Rebels I think. Should I just pick it up from there? Is there a watch list for filtering out the less shit episodes?
>>88099058
If both the movies and cartoons are equal levels of childish immaturity then you can't possibly be this condescending about it

>>88099064
This, the problem with Mando is that it instead became another side chapter in the Skywalker Saga rather than just its own standalone story that happens to be set in the Star Wars universe.

>3 movies with Luke
>3 movies with Anakin
>oh my god the skywalker story is so done stop telling stories about it sheeeeeeesh move on already its so boring
Yet I don't see anyone complaining about there being more Ashoka shit between all the cartoons and shows now

>>88098862

Well, since the Rebels claim to be clinging to the ideals fo the old Republic, and her dad was a general... almost certainly nepotism.

>>88099095
>If both the movies and cartoons are equal levels of childish immaturity then you can't possibly be this condescending about it
I am not condescending about movies and cartoons, I am just thinking you are retarded, that's all, and I find it hilarious when people say "dood stah wahz toonz are 4 kids" and then they proceed to gush over fucking Mandalorian or any of the Star Wars movies, which were made for fucking 12 year olds.
I just sometimes forget that the average IQ is under 110, and you often deal with fucking retards, on the Internet especially, in Star Wars themed threads ESPECIALLY.

>>88099034
>How do I fix that?
Can't really help there. One I try to say is use an episode guide so you can avoid the more filler episodes. I'll be first to say both clone wars and rebels have their misses.

>>88099122
What? Lots of people complain about Ahsoka being everywhere.

>>88099095
>Should I just pick it up from there? Is there a watch list for filtering out the less shit episodes?
Yes and yes, season 2 is where things pick up and finding a guide online should not be hard.

>>88099122
I'll happily complain about Filoni putting his waifu into everything if you want.

>>88099064
Luke was the best part of the sequels though

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>>88098556
Correct, I still don't have all the rules completely memorized yet. The guy has /tg/ questions in a /tg/ thread. So I'm just trying to be the minority actually giving /tg/ answers.

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Why does Palpatine give titles and land to ace pilots?

>>88099130
I'm not saying it is for kids, I'm just saying that my brain is telling me that I shouldn't watch it because it seems like its a kids show. It's not what I think, it's just what my brain is telling me. I don't think I'm all that smart either.
>>88099154
Alright I'll give it a shot

>>88099302
If you can survive tons of engagements inside a rickety egg shell, then you have earned yourself the rank and powers of a god.

>>88098886
>How do I hack my brain into enjoying TCW/Rebels
Brain damage.

I want to get back into x wing, but I haven't played since just after the 2.0 release. Now I hear it's all scenarios and points have been fucked. Is there an easy way to make some simple dog fighting squads that are balanced vs each other?

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So when is Lucasfilm Amimation going to switch over to the Spiderverse style like Dreamworks did? Do you think it'll fit well with Star Wars?

>>88099407
Hopefully never. Looks gay.

>>88099351
Yes, use xwing-legacy.com
Online squad builder for the 2.0 format.
Which is now deemed ‘legacy’ 2.0.

>>88099095
>I finished season 1 of Rebels I think. Should I just pick it up from there? Is there a watch list for filtering out the less shit episodes?
Yeah, but if I were you I'd watch all of TCW first. You can skip Bad Batch though, it doesn't have any real pertinence to Rebels outside of the better transitional Stormtrooper armor

>>88099154
>>88099135
There really aren't any "filler episodes" in Rebels, every one winds up being expressly important later on (yes, even the bad episodes with Sabine)
TCW does have some "filler" episodes in the sense that the content of some earlier episodes are never referenced again (Lightsaber Lost for example) but even then I wouldn't skip those. All the Rebels ones have direct bearings on the plot development though, for better or worse. I can't think of a single episode that doesn't feature in some way into one of the major plot points of a climax episode or a season finale.

>>88099474
Nice thanks

>>88099302
someone decided they wanted to use the term "baron" (ie red baron) to describe ace pilots, but that there also needed to be some sort of weird autistic in-universe explanation for why tat would ever be the case

>>88099550
Oh I would disagree even if the episode sets something up. A good example is the one with Sabines old friend. Sure she shows up later but her contribution is basically nothing.

>>88099599
"Baron" is effectively the same word as "Knight", so you can just figure it as the more modern form of peerage that isn't really tied to feudal landholding. Although for all I know, Imperial pilots who obtain baronetcies are granted planetary fiefs, I don't know that there's ever been any proof one way or the other.

>>88099302
Like most things in good films or TV shows, this is unexplained. You should be fine with that.

>>88099886
Fel had an estate on Corellia not sure if he got it for being a baron though.

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>>88098466
To be fair, blue spess elfs are not exactly new.

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>>88097965
To weigh in on this Storm vs Snow debate, what heavy weapons are available to them also needs to be considered:
>DLT-19 - 20 pts - Core Set, Stormtrooper Unit Box
Good ol' reliable. Long range, red dice you can count on, Impact to land a hit or two on tanks and pretty cheap at that. If you don't know what to put on a Stormtrooper Units, you give them a DLT-19.
>HH-12 - 16 pts - Core Set, Stormtrooper Unit Box
Even cheaper! But Cumbersome means you can't move and shoot (you can shoot and move though), and the arrow means you need to recharge it between uses, which kills your action economy since recharging takes an action. Don't use it until you know what you are doing.
>RT-97C - 24 pts - Stormtrooper Extension
Like the DLT-19 with more dice but no Impact. It's usually better than the DLT-19 against normal foes, but more expensive. I'd recommend printing the card and proxying it with a DLT-19 mini if you want to try it, since you need a separate box to get it.
>T-21 - 22pts - Stormtrooper Extension
Shorter range, but range 3 is usually where you want to be shooting most of the time anyway since the rest of you squad is also stuck at range 3. Critical is pretty good to ignore cover and dodges. Again, try to proxy unless you want to play at competitive levels.
Now on the Snowtroopers' side...
>Flametrooper - 20pts - Snowtrooper Unit Box, Blizzard Force Box
Extremely short range, works best with Frag grenades. It works well, ignores cover and melts basic troopers, but it's pretty hard to get cose enough to use
>T-7 Ion Gun - 18pts - Snowtrooper Unit Box, Blizzard Force Box
It's a nice gun, but the need to recharge wastes the main advantage of Snowtroopers, their more flexible action economy.

So yeah, Stormtroopers are usually better than Snowtroopers, since long range is an invaluable advantage in a game like Legion, unless you are playing the smaller Skirmish format.

>>88098862
Don't forget the backup plan was just throw *two* CR90s at the blockade - the B Wing prototype just happened to be a lucky break that made it work.

Where the fuck do I even get dice for EotE?
A friend asked me to start a group with him and I generally like being the guy who brings spare dice for everyone, but this shit is impossible to find an in-stock supply anywhere in person or online. Do they just not make them anymore? Are the shitty 3D printed Etsy sets really the only option if I don't want to use normal d6/8/12s and translate the result?

Also if it wasn't obvious I was roped into this with no knowledge of the system so any advice or warnings about the strengths and weaknesses of EotE would be appreciated.

>>88100575
Your first mistake was getting roped into a FFG RPG. Just find an older RPG, there are PDFs of the d20 and WEG system out there for free that don't use shitty proprietary dice and run that.

>>88100661
The FFG system is pretty neat and I can see why it's popular, even if I personally prefer WEG.

>>88100683
I've heard good things about it, but I'm morally opposed to systems that require the use of proprietary dice to be able to conveniently run. I already have dice and want to be able to buy the core rules and whatever supplements I want and have that be that; no special system-specific dice or accessories.

>>88100661
>Your first mistake was getting roped into a FFG RPG.
I see that now. Proprietary dice are ass.
>Just find an older RPG, there are PDFs of the d20 and WEG system out there for free that don't use shitty proprietary dice and run that.
Not my game, my friend is the one running it and he has his mind set. I might bail if the system itself ends up being shit, but I at least owe him the effort of printing out some stickers to put on some trash dice if nothing else.

>>88100575
The answer is currently you can't get them. The transfer to Edge and covid fucked everything up. Current rumor is they are doing a reprint but the first batch is going to starter boxes. So finding a starter box on a shelf is the only chance for a official set. I heard tell that genesys system dice are the same thing with diffrent symbols.

>generally like being the guy who brings spare dice for everyone
I bought into EotE in January 2020 as I was inspired by S1 Mandalorian. I have a Plano tackle box with 6 sets of dice I grabbed off Amazon before they went oos.

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>I'm trans, by the way.

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>>88101066
Why is that unidentifiable human, who clearly isn't the famed Kel Dor jedi Jaden Korr, telling Rosh Penin he's trans?

>>88101066
It's amazing how just seeing someone's face can make you feel the urge to kill.

>>88101353
>No Jaden wait

>>88101571
Oh you know I didn't.

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Death Troopers + Iden Bring the hate with their light blasters.

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>>88101664
>HeGonDoItToThem.wav

>>88101115
Jaden wasn't a stupid Kel Dor he was a human.

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>>88101115
I think you misspelt "hot female Twi'lek".

>>88101664
>>88101674
Nice Stormies proxy for your DT, with a very impressive paintjob to boot.
The other guy's Ubese are cool too. But probably very dead given your rolls.
Your DTs didn't get hit too hard by the Black Sun dudes after that ? These guys pack one hell of a punch at close range, especially with Pierce from the shotgun.

>>88098886
I just put it on in the background while exercising and picked up on the few sparse interesting parts and ideas.
frankly it gets more praise than it deserves, and it really doesnt get that much praise.
people mainly like it for bringing back thrawn, but even thrawn is a lame jobber for most of the series who constantly fails but its okay because he acts all contemplative like he learned something crucial about his enemy each time.

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>>88099886
>"Baron" is effectively the same word as "Knight"
tf? no it isn't

>>88101876
Yeah they did. I rolled 6 blanks.

>>88101930
All my condoleances. Guess it's an even matchup, that looks like 95pts worth of Black Sun Henchmen against about 90pts worth of Deathtroopers, not the end of the world.
Did you win or at least had fun ?
Also did your TX-225 put in some work ?

>>88102056
Yeah I won, was a but miffed about the death troopers getting hosed but whaddya gonna do. Been running a new list with two full scout units, death troopers, and kallus.

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>>88100575
Some stores in Australia are stocking them again

>>88097718
there is a distinct difference between 'murdering your nephew in his sleep because somehow he felt a surge of Dark Side from him greater than Sheevy-P and Pappa Vader combined' and 'fighting bad guys in an active combat zone who are trying to kill your sister and her soldiers' and you know it, you disingenuous potato

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Title of the next Mando ep, seems like it will be Grogu's origin story before he met Mando. It's also co-written by Filoni so it'll probably have a Bariss cameo or something.

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>>88103786
>it'll probably have a Bariss cameo or something.
You damn well know the cameo won't be Bariss.

>>88099302
gives them something to aspire to while piloting death machines without life support

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>>88103786
somehow barriss returned

>>88103826
>posts pic promo pic of AoTC bariss
>claims it's a leak from ahsoka
That guy is a nigger and you're a nigger if you believe it.

>>88100575
https://app.rpgsessions.com/dice
physical dice are impossible to find unless you luck out and find some in a random store collecting dust

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>>88103845
You know it's gonna happen. You could literally see her room in the flashback.

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>>88103859
So what? That's still not a real picture. Everyone with half a working brain new Bariss was gonna show up in the Ahsoka show the moment they announced it, but they, you believe it because you're a dumb-dumb that needs a shitty "leak" with a shitty watermark slapped on top of it.

>>88103859
Why do those lightsabers look so odd? They don't look like they have the same effects as in the films but the difference is subtle but enough for me to notice it

>>88103875
you ok buddy?
sounds like your daddy violated you a bunch of times and now you lash out at everyone like a rabid dog

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>>88103894
What a strange thing to fixate on. So much for being chill and not upset for being called a dumb-dumb :^)

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>>88103881
They're actually emanating light that illuminates their surroundings the way they realistically should.

In the original trilogy and prequels, the light saber glow was added in post and did not cast colored light on the people and objects around them.

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>>88103881
Because these are literal glowsticks. In the films, lightsaber effect was applied in post and the actors were using metal rods.

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>>88103786
>>88103826
>>88103859
Her symbol on the door kind of gave it away. And there aren't really any notable Jedi left who could've rescued her that'd make for a big reveal and would be available for a minor cameo. Could be Tera Sinube I guess since he's a youngling instructor and they made a CG model for him in Obi-Wan Kenobi, but I feel like Barriss having a similar arc to Bo-Katan makes a lot of sense at this point given they had all the chances to reveal she was either executed or made an Inquisitor.

>>88103963
Even if that is the corridor outside of Barriss' apartment, why would she be there at this point? She'd just been convicted of terrorism a few months earlier, so she should be in a Republic prison somewhere.

>>88103984
Maybe she was imprisoned within the Jedi Temple.

>>88103963
Of course her being at the Jedi Temple during Order 66 makes no fucking sense whatsoever, as she was arrested prior to that. And I don't believe that she was somehow released. And if she was, that would greatly deflate the S5 Clone Wars finale, knowing that Ahsoka actually faced death penalty, but Barriss was somehow released after committing treason and bombing the Jedi Temple, and she was able to rescue Grogu in the meanwhile. But frankly, I am not going to be surprised about anythign anymore. Ruining the past is Disney Lucasfilm's modus operandi.

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>>88103998
No, she'd be imprisoned in the Republic Military Facility. Just like Ahsoka was.

>>88099302
Is this an edit or an actual shot?

>>88103984
>guards enter Barriss' cell to execute her during Order 66
>she kills them with the force and escapes
>heads back to the Temple to collect her belongings
>she finds the clones about the kill baby Yeed and has second thoughts about her dark path
>she kills the clones and saves Yeed

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>>88096184
Is it weird, that, despite all of the evidence & media showing them to be evil, that I sympathize with, & see myself serving the Galactic Empire? I mean, I don't see myself as some mustache-twirling Moff, Inquisitor/Emperor's Hand or any other overly evil dude, but as a Stormtrooper, TIE pilot or just an average citizen who minded his own business while having it good under the Empire.

>>88104054
lots of people are that way. They'll take comfort over freedom every time they get the choice.
The last couple of years have shown how complacent people are and how willing to throw away their rights to hold on to creature comforts.

The Empire would be safe, if you fall in line and do as you are told. Unless someone with better connection has a grievance. Then you just disappear. Like in any totalitarian system.

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>>88104049
>>heads back to the Temple to collect her belongings
>risking your life escaping from the Republic military base and going to the temple that is swarming with troopers for your fucking """""""""belongings"""""""""""""""
lmao
what would she need? that Buddha statue?

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>>88103984
>>88104000
We know Jedi like the Grand Inquisitor were spared execution for helping kill the other guards at the temple. Either Barriss was given an offer to join the Inquisitors. Maybe Anakin even visited her cell and freed her before Knightfall but she betrayed Vader/the Inquisitors once she got to the temple and fucked off with Grogu and some other younglings.

But the simplest explanation is the clones entered her cell at the Republic military base to execute her after receiving Order 66 and she used that opportunity to escape. Then she went to the temple after realizing what'd happened.

And we've known for ages that Barriss wasn't going to be executed for her crimes since Filoni admitted prior to TCW being cancelled that he had plans for her in future seasons and cut the scene where she committed suicide in her cell via nanoexplosive. I think Ahsoka facing the death penalty was egged on Palpatine who knew the death of his padawan would bring him closer to the dark side. I think with Barriss he didn't care as much.

>>88104000
How does it "ruin" the past?

>>88104054
I don't have the screenshot, but I remember there was an interview where Lucas corrected some commentator and said "the stormtroopers are the good guys, but they work for a very evil man"

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>>88104108
Just makes you think how fucking retarded the idea of Inquisitors was.
>Kill all the Jedi, spare no one, show no mercy!
>(except those few dudes, they are with us :^) )
It also makes no fucking sense since the clones were programmed to kill all the Jedi except Anakin. What a mess Star Wars has been without George. Rebels was a mistake.

>>88104105
She REALLY wants those red sabers back and that would be the place the Jedi would store them.

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>>88104105
Given how Bo-Katan and Quinlan Vos have been treated in canon I think Barriss will try and redeem herself since she was proven right about the Jedi and the Republic anyway.

The Bo-Katan comparison is especially apt since the current shows sort of gloss over the fact she was terrorist, they shouldn't but if she gets a pass there's no reason Barriss has to be a full on villain. But Bo's change of heart came when Maul took over Mandalore and killed her boss and sister, so I think Order 66 and the rise of the Empire will be a similar kind of wake up call for Barriss. And hopefully if Barriss is in the Ahsoka show they don't gloss over her terrorist bombing like they forgot about the blood on Bo-Katan's hands.

>>88104165
It never made sense with Anakin unless the force is at play there somehow and the "shroud of the dark side" is able to protect them from the clones orders like a mind trick or whatever. The Vader comic raised even more questions because that one Jedi used a mind trick on the clone purge troopers to tell them to execute order 66, which made them attack the Inquisitors.

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Anyone else think Filoni is going to reveal that it was Ahsoka who trained Luke to becoming a Jedi inbetween ESB and ROTJ, that's how they first met?

>>88104243
Comics are not canon.

Anakin was never included in Order 66. Palps met him at the end of TPM, the Chosen One, "We will watch your career with great interest." Just 10 years before Attack of the Clones, around the same time the clone army was created and Dooku & Sheev co-opted it. You could see it in Clone Wars S6 with Tup lashing out at Tiplar & Tiplee, but never at Anakin. Anakin was Sheev's game all along.

But it doesn't make sense that *anyone* would be spared at the Jedi Temple.

>>88104054
Russia seems closest to the Empire. Corruption is good when the corrupt run the show, the Empire is too uncaring on a ideologically level to be China.

>>88104273
That's an old one. There's even fan art depicting them interacting including sexually. I prefer it if they didn't, though. His feelings about his dad are complicated enough without lumping in her complicated feelings about his dad. I prefer it if they meet up after the war.

>>88104280
With Anakin yeah I think it was baked into the clones programming not to kill him because Palpatine had plans for him. I will say though that the clones didn't immediately murder Ahsoka in the hangar at the end of TCW. Rex tries to reason with them. So if Anakin or a commanding officer were to tell the clones that a Jedi is exempt from the order because they've renounced their faith I guess it would work.

>>88104273
Some things are too sacred for him to add to/change I think. Even that headcanon about Rex being the rebel trooper on Endor was never officially canonized in the end.

>>88104319
I don't think Anakin would give a shit. He kills children at the temple. I don't think he would give a single fuck about some wimps begging for their live, "SIR SKYWALKER I AM NOT A JEDI ANYMORE! ALWAYS HATED'EM! LONG LIVE SHEEV!" Nope, gotta save Padamame and kill everyone.

Inquisitors could work if they somehow survived Order 66 and were later captured by Vader personally or by some other means. But not during initial Order 66. Regardless, Inquisitors are dumb, and the job could be handled by clone commandos and other special forces.

>>88104280
>Comics are not canon.
Pretty sure they're meant to be, like the Ninth Sister was first introduced and lost her arm in the Vader comic before appearing in Fallen Order. Though they're allowed to get contradicted if a showrunner/movie writer decides it though that applies to everything else too.

>>88104333
Rex not being the old guy at Endor was sacred but Obi-Wan going on a wild goose chase, attracting the attention of the Empire and fighting Vader inbetween ROTS and ANH wasn't?

>>88104361
Anon probably loathes that too. Personally I dig Rex being the guy on Endor (at least he was officially there anyway) mostly because we see him in scout trooper armor. Surprising just how well it works. That and rebel Saint Nick was never my sacred cow, so for me nothing of value is really lost.

Mostly I like the idea that not just any clone trooper but Anakin Skywalker's own clone commander was there at the end helping undo what Vader and the Emperor had done. I find the idea rather satisfying.

>>88104334
Well according to Henry Gilroy I think, the backstory for Grand Inquisitor is that he saw the clones marching on the temple and decided to start murdering the other members of the temple guard in the chaos because he always resented the Jedi for giving him that job after failing the trials.

I'd imagine Anakin was fighting some Jedi and the GI arrived, the Jedi let their guard down because they thought he was there to help but he murdered them instead, so that made it very clear to Anakin he was an ally and not just a coward who'd say anything to stay alive.

>>88104361
Filoni has respect for the franchise (on some level), Disney does not. Disney wanted a story about Obi-Wan fighting Darth Vader before ANH.

>>88103786
Filler bullshit. Looks like I can skip it, just like I could've skipped this one.

>>88104392
It just outright contradicts Revenge of the Sith and doesn't jam with Anakin's mindset. He was outright told to murder EVERYONE. Even the kids.

>>88104394
It was Filoni who suggested that Kenobi be more "ambitious" by including the Grand Inquisitor and Vader, originally the show's story was much more smaller scale.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/obi-wan-kenobi-darth-maul-scenes-cut-luke-skywalker-replaced-during-creative-overhaul-1235108192/

>>88104412
Inquisitors are dumb as hell and shouldn't exist whatsoever, but that doesn't matter at this point.

>>88103859
Since they squandered the chance for Bariss to be the Inquisitor Mirilian which remains my headcanon until definitively proven otherwise, I'm gonna be pissed if her fate is anything other than summary execution by Fox when Order 66 went out.

>>88104388
That's why I also like that Saw played a part in the eventually destruction of the first Death Star. It's like Vader is fighting against the legacy of Anakin Skywalker. The flip side to, "Once you start down the dark path forever will it dominate your destiny."

>>88104432
Nevermind then, he's a dorky fanboy and I should've known better.

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>>88104392
>>88104412
In the Vader comic, neither recognizes each other and the Inquisitor program was already established with every member training by the time Vader found out about it. I'm assuming those slated to become Inquisitors were warned and told to pull out just before the purge happened.

>>88101769

>Twi'lek with human skin tones.

Horrifying. You had a chance of being a hot green skinned space slut and you didn't take it. Shameful.

>>88104165
>It also makes no fucking sense since the clones were programmed to kill all the Jedi except Anakin
This wouldn't be a problem if they were just disciplined and not brain chipped.
;)

>>88104438
I am glad she didn't become an Inquisitor. Inquisitors are dumb and weak. And it contradicts Barriss' initial motivation. She would never join the Empire, even after what she'd done.

If she were to live, I would have made her an anti-hero, kinda like Ventress after she left Dooku. Have her and Ahsoka meet some time after Revenge of the Sith, when it would be most potent and fresh. But that would require for Rebels to not exist. Fuck Rebels.

>>88104412
If Vader sees another Jedi helping him out I feel like he'd spare them. Even in the case of Obi-Wan there was a chance Anakin would've spared him since he literally said "don't make me kill you". And he also bargains with Ahsoka in Rebels. Now is he being truthful? We don't know. But they were his friends and I feel like he'd sooner stab the Emperor in the back and rule the galaxy alongside Obi-Wan and Ahsoka if that were a possibility.

>>88104453
That too. I can't remember what Gilroy said specifically about the Grand Inquisitor during Knightfall but he acted like he did have some prior knowledge. So he knew about Order 66, was notified ahead of time by Palpatine and he killed the temple guards to make it easier for Anakin to enter.

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Star Wars is dumb.

>>88104503
Yeah, but I love dumb things.

>>88104503
It is dumb and I'm fine with that. Trying to make an interconnected universe out of it that spans tv shows, games, books and comics was always going to be a clusterfuck. There comes a point where you just have to make your own headcanon about stuff.

>>88104523
It's funny that they even tried, honestly. Star Wars is a fairy tale set in space, even if there are multiple connected fairy tales they rarely fit perfectly together.

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So when sniping and wanting to remain concealed are slub-throwers the best bet?
Blasters leave a "follow the beam of light"
but with slug throwers (or even self-correcting gyro-jet type rounds) all you really need is a flash suppressor.
I'm also guessing that you could have some sort of "flashless" propellant and something that fires basically shaped-charges at below sonic speeds.

>>88104551
Star Wars was originally a more mythological story where it was really more about the characters and plot than the setting and having consistent rules but it became an unironic sci-fi universe with the EU and the prequels, that's how it all goes to shit because the setting wasn't designed to be overtly detailed or examined.

>>88104551
Because it makes money. But yeah the worldbuilding was always flimsy. Not as flimsy has Harry Potter's lore but still. It stems from the original entry not really being built tons of sequels I think. Without a strong foundation everything starts to crumble eventually.

>>88104577
Yeah, I guess that's just how things go. Too many people got invested in the universe and wanted to know how all the details fit together.

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It's such a shame that Crosshair only got 2 solo episodes. What a waste.

>>88100575
3d printed off etsy, here: https://baronofdice.com/collections/star-wars-inspired-collection/products/galatic-rpg-dice-set, or do stickers

>>88104595
am I alone in not caring about any of these clone faggots

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>>88104612
Yes.

>>88104612
Don't really care for Clone Force 99 in particular, but I grew up alongside the prequels releasing so I have to like clones as a whole a good bit. Phase 1 armor's cooler though.

>>88100267
Finally! Someone is talking about the games! Do /swgen/ threads always devolve into /tv/?

>>88104575
>So when sniping and wanting to remain concealed are slub-throwers the best bet?
it's best to use a bunch of drones. If you dump a com-array somewhere to bounce your signal you can stay on your ship in orbit and just jump to hyperspace if something goes wrong.

>>88104647
How long have you been browsing /tg/?
>/swgen/
Say no more

>>88104647
>Do /swgen/ threads always devolve into /tv/?
This is basically the Star Wars general for the whole of 4chan.

>warhammer has a thread for 40k, aos, 30k, and specialist games
>Star Wars games forever buried within Star Wars canon talk
Where can I find game discussions?

>>88104677
/v/

>>88104677
You could start a discussion...

Although some of the guys in /awg/ play Legion I think

>>88104289
> Russia seems closest to the Empire
This is your brain on burgers

>>88104289
If anything, America is alot closer to the Empire than Russia. Or maybe the Vong would be a better comparison, since at least the Empire brought some order to the galaxy

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>Wookieepedia articles now have a pronoun category for characters
bravo maggs

>>88104926
There's something comical about seeing he/him pronouns next to General Grievous and Wat Tambor's profiles.

But idk what's happened to Wookieepedia. I feel like this is overcorrection for whatever controversy they were dealing with before. None of the the wikias have done this as far as I know.

>>88105057
Wookieepedia has a longstanding tradition of being as obnoxiously petty as possible

>>88105057
Funny enough they forgot it on legends grievous. Wonder what the guy who has to put the standard pronouns everyone would already assume for a character on hundreds of pages was thinking when doing it.

>>88105088
To be fair they've already collected everything else there is to have in Star Wars, all that's left is the salt.

>>88105470
>Thankfully, we all have Star Wars where things are that simple.
Not in my homebrew.

>>88105575
Tell us more!

>>88100778
>>88100661
>>88100575
Just use your fucking phone Holy shit.

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>>88105110
But that's what's so stupid about it. Pronouns are supposed to be a self-identification thing right? How do these randos on Wookieepedia's know what a characters feelings on their own gender is? Are we assuming Kaleesh gender roles now? Does the Father identify as male if Force Wielders are changelings?

>>88105603
Empire is around, a major power, but has taken to actually developing the worlds under its control. Millions are getting lifted out of poverty (and into the Stormtrooper Corps and Imperial Youth programs, of course). Its incredibly racist, and pro-human, but the 'human' designation has been expanded to Pantorans, Twi'leks, Zeltrons and even Pau'ans and Muuns (greatest ally). The military is aged, bloated and the Imps are the only ones still fielding a Super Star Destroyer or two. Stormtroopers do everything from being beat cops to being an actual Army, so their quality varies.
The Republic is neoliberal hell. Rich new money megacorps are in power in a 'marriage' with old idealists. BUT unlike the Empire, its very libertarian. As long as you pay your taxes and don't do anything crazy like piracy or Sith occultism, you'll be left alone, and can even buy yourself a recreational McX-Wing. It hasn't done anything retarded like demilitarizing, and its military-industrial complex is actually bigger than the Empire's. It also has a large private military industry, and if there are any calls for dismantling the Republic military, it has a hidden meaning of empowering the PMCs. There's a rising pro-Jedi movement, basically a nostalgia for the pre-Ruusan Republic that had the Jedi and their ideology as a major part of the Republic. If there's anything breaching the libertarianism arrangement, its the witch hunts for anything 'Sith', including old cults like the Krath, Mecrosa Order, etc.

>>88104652

That seems lame from a story prospective though.

So just so I have this straight.
Using just what we have seen in Disney productions the new Republic is a socialist hell where "mental hygiene" is the new control and a bloated bureaucracy too self-righteous to "paper-clip" Imperial scientists but are fine with "re-socializing" through re-purposed torture machines.
And so rabidly anti-military that they dismantle any form of fleet defense?
(not to mention harboring war profiteers (and don't tell me those rich fucks at the party weren't) )
So maybe being reamed by the First Order wasn't that terrible?

>>88106408
yeah, it's remarkable how bad they made the NR

How fucked am I if I start a separatist army? I just want to roger roger

>>88106553
They are pretty shit now, likely a buff after worlds. Play what you think looks cool

>>88106408
It really just fits in with the overall narartive of SW, which pretty much goes 'The Galactic Empire is pretty much evil, HOWEVER. . . .'

And then it proceeds to show (but never directly tell) the audience that it either improved the lives of most people, made the galaxy a safer palce for most people, reduced crime, etc.
It then shows that teh Republic gave everyone freedoms, but was corrupt. It shows the New Republic, which gave everyone 'freedom' but turned out to be a bureacratic dystopia.
It also shows that the Empire has a corrupt leadership, but then goes to show that the Republic wasn't better.

Seriously, this is high-class pro-Empire propaganda that makes the Soviet efforts at agitprop look dull and clumsy, while the Nazis end up looking too obvious and pompous.

>>88105451
You don't think it's disingenuous to respond with a very thoughtful response with "lol you're a bot"? America did everything in its power to stir up shit, including siding with Nazis and supporting a government that has been attacks independent republics for the past 8 years prior to the campaign in Ukraine

>>88106612
I thought it was pretty blatant.
I also thought that there has to be a reason right?
Like from someone who said they had issues coming up with stories due to the sparseness of what had come before..
or someone who hates happy endings and wants to "challenge us"
it can't be banality by committee as there seems a direct intent to do the NR dirty.
- possibly so they can introduce their "vision"

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>>88106612
What's amusing about this analysis is that the writing for Star Wars post Disney has been aggresively, almost jingoistically determined to portrayal the Rebels and Jedi in the my positive light imaginable while simultaneously villainbatting the Empire and reducing them to cartoon villains who are treated as narrative canon fodder and, for the most part, not given the depth and complexity you'd see for a story around the OT era. But in part because of the sequels (and partly just due to lazy internal coordination and worldbuilding between Lucasfilm's writers) everything we know about the NR paints them as an abject failure who completely failed to live up to their ideals, even worse than their EU counterpart.

It's just so weird that the paramilitary cult of personality that Leia's commanding is treated as the "good" faction, for, ya know, threatening to drag the galaxy into a new war that most factions are not prepared for and would not support. The tone and worldbuilding at perpetually at war with one another

>>88106731
>who completely failed to live up to their ideals
I mean, in a better-written story you could work with that really well. The New Republic wanted to restore the Galactic Republic and the Galactic Republic failed before, so of course it failed again. That should be taken for granted and that crisis should demand that people seek something other than just 'return to the old good times', but of course there's no room for exploring that because the Empire's back and we need to blow up the Death Star!

>>88097718
>ruin still seething about his shitting movie being shitty, and getting fired from mouse star wars to make even shittier movies
imagine getting fired from mouse, of all places

>>88106755
>the Galactic Republic failed before, so of course it failed again
Actual braindead logic, I'm impressed.

>>88104687
Kid, I've been from side of /tg/ to the other and I've seen a I've seen a lot of strange nogames faggotry...but if you think it's bad here, head to the Star Trek board.

In a good deal of threads, they actively persecute game posting there.

>>88105088
Not in the days where the breast page was the blue Twi'Lek, and those who tried editing it were banned for vandlaism. They were rolling criticals for basedness in those days.

>>88106408
I still remember when Coruscant during the time in this episode (per disney) was held by the empire under mas ameeda, but was a toothless leader no one in the empire really listened to.

>>88106553

Despite what >>88106577 says, CIS are in a pretty good position. Asajj has just been released, Magnaguard are excellent, and the humble B1 is a really cheap corps unit which allows you to invest in more toys elsewhere.

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>>88106713
Nigga if Iwant something that has no happy ending, chalenges me, portrays the banality of evil and introduces somebody else's vision I can open a history book and look up the last century.
Or turn on the news.

Pic vaguely related to what SW was meant to be, a hope-filled vision of a glaxy of adventure and prosperity. And hot alien babes.

>>88105114
But they don't even have full ISD Deck plans.

>>88106713
>>88107312
I don't really mind that they're making a darker side to the good guy government. That's fine. My bigger issue is that they're making them pants-on-head retarded with the demilitarization and trusting one Imp defector over another.

Why didnt Vader went through occasional visits to the Mind Flayer to make sure his memories are as distorted as possible for Palp to exploit?

Actually with the introduction of the Six o two device you now have an interesting plot hook where an Imperial Moff is seen building a series of facilities to abduct and brainwash swathes of the population to be unyieldingly loyal to the emperor to the point of putting trigger words in their minds to make them take their own lives upon being compromised and it's up to the rebels to destroy the facilities

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>>88107757
>I don't really mind that they're making a darker side to the good guy government.
Forgetting that the classic good vs evil is a core element in the Star Wars mythos is a big reason why the franchise is in its current state.

When there's no difference between the villains and heroes, there's no reason to join the rebellion to overthrow the empire, because you just changed the uniform color of the despots in power. Which is why Lando's call for help would have been met with a resounding "FUCK YOU!" because no one would want to bring back the government that was mindraping people without a trial and didn't keep the criminals from razing places whenever they wanted.

>>88108351
I can live with a good guy side that is not all sunshine and rainbows, and I actually think that a bad guy side that is effectively Lawful Evil, and may actually have some good reasons to be the way they are is more believable than the Evildark Empire of Murederizing , Burnination and Enforced Handholding.

>>88108562
Flawed heroes are one thing (none of the OT heroes were perfect and had arcs...even Leia mellowed from ANH to RoTJ), but there is no redeeming qualities to the good guys were supposed to be rooting for.

>>88108351
People like you are the reason the Sequel trilogy made money. You're so fucking boring and predictable.

>>88108927
I would not call the Sequel predictable. They kept leaping higher and farther in the realm of medicocrity. Every movie a revelation (for the worse).

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>>88107803

Are the "jedi vs sith" comics worth reading before i read the bane novels or do the bane novels cover what happens in them?

>>88107803
Sorry, I don't have a picture of Rey on my pc, uglifying my image folder.

Anons, what alternative pods have you created for your games for the Wayfarer freighter?

>>88110255
Pirate version where the cargo bay is converted into a troop compartment with an airlock door and magnetic clamps in the front to grab hold of a ship and cut an opening in the target's hull for the pirates to board through.

Never drew it because I'm shit at art.

>>88110255
> fuel
>galactic standard cargo container
>passenger
>prefab house/lab/dorm
>repair bay
>parasite fighter

>>88110255
>Mini-prison for Force users
>MOAB

>>88106731
It's all so weird. Good and evil are presented in such stark terms, yet there's still a deep underlying cynicism that defeats the purpose of having such a simple morality in the first place. It's like they feel obligated to have good triumph over evil, but they don't really believe in such fairy tales even as they're writing them.
The good guys win, but not really.
The bad guys lose, but not really.
A gray sickness remains over the galaxy no matter who's in charge.
If they were more intelligent, I'd think they were trying to pull a KOTOR 2, but not realizing they were doing it on a scale that KOTOR 2 was never meant to operate at. The cynicism turns to bleakness and hopelessness when you take it out of the context of a single video game and apply to the whole franchise.

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>>88107803
>>88110086

>>88108351
See >>88108927
There isn't an issue with expanding outside of the core principles. The problem is when you make both sides exceptionally retarded. The Prequel Republic was intentionally not a great place. It was a state in decline, the same was true of the Old Jedi Order under Yoda and Mace. They lived in a literal ivory tower. Luke grew above their failures. The idea that he would restore a replica of the failed Jedi Order or that the New Republic would replicate the failures of the Old is as pants-on-head retarded as the idea that the Imperials would commit collective suicide just because some holograms told them to.
>>88111071
But there's no Grey in Disney Wars, not really. Just intergalactic stupidity to allow for JJ's mystery boxes.

>>88111345
>that the New Republic would replicate the failures of the Old
This is very historical though. Most revolutionary movements end up repeating the same mistakes as what came before, especially when your stated goal is to rebuild what came before. It's The Alliance to Restore the Republic, not The Alliance for a New System.

>>88111345
>But there's no Grey in Disney Wars, not really. Just intergalactic stupidity to allow for JJ's mystery boxes.

This is what I'm trying to get at. The way they've had to contort the setting and smack it over the head with stupid stick to justify their stories combined with subconscious cynicism creates an unintentional bleakness. It's not supposed to be gray, but it accidentally ends up that way anyway.
To put it another way entirely, both the EU and Disney canon have no lasting peace in the galaxy. There's always conflict, but the nature of the continuous conflict is different. In the EU, the good guys are playing whack-a-mole. There's always a new threat they need to smack down to maintain the freedom and prosperity they've won. In Disney canon, the good guys are presented with a sysiphean challenge. The whole setting seemingly wants to regress by nature and the conflicts are just a constant uphill with no real end in sight, no real victories along the way. In practical terms, it's a subtle difference, but I think it's an important difference in vibe.

>>88111777
I think the difference more-or-less comes down to the practical realities of the EU versus Disney Wars. The EU was comics, books and games so it could be all about the new adventures of Luke and friends since people love that shit - Disney Wars' original plan was entirely about a new series of films and that means you can't have it be the new adventures of Luke and friends, they're too old to be action heroes. So, what do you do? You bring the familiar in the form of the Empire and having the main characters be rebels fighting them. In both cases it's lazy fanboy shit but Disney's constraints directly relate to how it represents the New Republic.

>>88110350
>>88110740
>>88110845
Thank you. Just want a list of potentials to get ahead of my players.

>>88108351
>>88107312
That perspective seems pointlessly reductive. In a setting of trillions and spanning the galaxy, you can have nuanced characters and factions, and grey conflicts. Wanting to restrict and oversimplify a messy, bloody galactic civil war and its aftermath into a traditional good versus evil framework is very silly

>>88112459
>in a setting of trillions
Star Wars has always been, like all fantasy settings, completely out of scale with the real implications of its setting because it needs to feel believable to people who can't imagine things at that scale. In an actual setting where there's trillions of people (probably more like quadrillions given that uninhabitable planets aren't really a thing in Star Wars), wars and politics would be at a scale far too massive for us to imagine. We need stories where one person can make a difference, and that inherently requires fudging things.

>>88098830
Based, its not just the "oh look its that person" Season 2 was the best, and everybody who says otherwise is just trying to so hard to be a snob and appear smart cause

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How do other ships even compete with the Wayfarer?

>Modular
>Hanger bay
>Generous crew quarters
>Agile enough that it can dogfight with an affordable modification
>2 full range turrets
>Affordable and mass produced

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>>88098965
So what you want isnt star wars, but change star wars for your own agenda, yeah i already detected you merchant

>>88112589
>everyone who disagrees with me must be disingenuous!
This is the easiest way to tell that someone's full of shit. I think season 1's the only genuinely good season of Mandalorian but I understand that people who like season 2 appreciate the fact that it builds more clearly towards a conclusion, that doesn't make them retarded they just like different things than I do.

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>>88112609
Double cargo design is aces

>>88099062
The force did it, when you get spasstic and salty about something like that remember it was the force

>>88112707
That would be a horrible design, lol

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>>88112609
>>88112707

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>>88112712
Seems like a dumb idea to blind your cockpit like that, but that's classic Star Wars

>>88104410
Skip it like you skipped the fact that you will never be a woman

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>>88112707
Is that... legal?

>>88112609

So what is the point of making an asymmetrical freighter design vs a symmetrical one?

>>88112847
Looks cool, don't it?

>>88112646
I just think people hate good thing cause their DNA tells them, people already trashing S3 before it ended, like yeah it would have been better if grogu stayed with luke but if you think about it Grogu would never choose that so it makes sense, yes it know its a corporate decision but you all are understimating Filoni and Favreu if you think they cant adjust to corporate bullshit they already have in the past
If anything bothers me is Din being a complete retard brainwashed and making every wrong decision at everytime but hey thats what his character is like, how this dumb ass can be the next mandalore is beyond me but so was Ahsoka and Ezra at first, i just hope he gets smarter soon

>>88112847
It's so pilots can line their crafts up with the side of the wall of a hanger/painted line easier

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>>88112898
>>88112872
>>88112847
Comparing the Wayfarer to the HT-2200 annoys me to no end. The HT carries less cargo, has worse speed, worse shields, worse strain, can't detach it's containers, and costs 20,000 credits more, all for two more passenger cabins, a ventral turret, and a bit more hull points and a single point of armor. Goddamnit, FFG.

>>88113199
Prices often aren't representative of quality!

>>88113199
>HT-2200
That floorplan doesn't look even remotely accurate to the ship. I mean, all the other art I've seen suggest that the central cockpit module is the same as that of any other Corellian freighter, which would make that floorplan about twice the size that the ship actually is.

>>88112755
The Wayfarer is also a somewhat derpy design, but it's meant to be a freight hauler. But if you have absolutely no visibility to either side of you from the cockpit, why have the transparisteel there?

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>>88113199
The scale on that layout is wildly off.

Each of those cargo bays is like 50m long and the entire ship is 55m in length canonically. It's upscaled wildly to the actual vessel.

It's worth keeping in mind that the Wayfarer only has 220 tons of cargo space if the cargo pod isn't attached, requires 10 crew to the HT-2200's 2 (indicating the HT-2200 is a far more efficient ship with more automation), which makes the roughly doubled price more reasonable.

I'm not sure what Episodic Maps was making there, but it wasn't an HT-2200. Maybe an HT-2400 that has a much larger cargo capacity. At a SWAG, assuming a metric ton takes up a 1.5 cubic meter volume in shipping pack, that ship could carry 1500 metric tons. Probably more, reasonably.

That's still a medium freighter, but a much more profitable one for a skilled captain.

>>88115640
To add to this: at the end of the day, this is a game. It's not meant to be a tight enough simulation for galactic shipping to make a ton of sense. Most Star Wars RPGs rightfully tell you to veer away from worrying about those details because the point is putting pulp action front and center. Cargo margins aren't really what most people think of with Star Wars.

Can I build an app that will do reasonable good/hyperlane value approximations? Sure. Why would I? I don't want to run that game. My players don't want to play that game. In either of my Star Wars games. Even the one that is specifically and explicitly about Rebel Alliance Acquisitions. Because the moving of product is tertiary to the pulp adventures they get into going after Separatist weapon caches or poorly-guarded Imperial depots and the soap opera that happens between well-played characters.

The other game ended up with something similar to a Wayfarer because they had been slumming on a shuttle for too long. The campaign went a bit different in direction than I'd set out for, but flying around is never bad in Star Wars. Having a nice freighter to do it in is pretty key to player comfort. Starships are like mobile castles if you look to D&D for a corollary.

Anyway, enough ranting. Please provide more ideas for attachment pods for best freighter.

post your trooper minis

>>88107312

The whole direction of Disney's political views makes me sad.
That's it isn't it .. the ole "Banality of Evil" but shit the NR didn't even really get started.
It lasts (in Disney cannon) in it's "reformed" state for how many years? 10? The Empire lasts longer.
I mean I guess the NR republic is still there when The First Order pulls it's bullshit but how?
They have it's political head cut off.
They have no fleet to maintain order.
They are gelded.
I never bought the First Order as being as big as they portrayed it. - How the fuck could it be?
even the most greedy and potato NR would have hopefully kept it pruned back.
- but it didn't.
It's like if 4 war criminals in Brazil launched an offensive and somehow managed to kill Stalin, Roosevelt and Chamberlain.
AND were equiped with all the failed wonder weapons of the fallen Reich. - even those that never got off the design board.
"Somehow Palpatine has returned"
fucking bullshit.
>>88107757
It's like Project Paperclip got rid of the rocket scientists and let Josef Mengele and Unit 731 in charge of "science and national security"

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How the fuck do you tell where your guns are pointed in an X wing

Does it project onto the cockpit glass like an F-14? Are all pilot helmets actually linked to the ship? Do they project the targeting reticle onto the eyeglass?

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>>88116781
None of the ships in the movies seem to show any kind of gunsight. Are you supposed to simultaneously have your head down looking at your targeting computer, while also actively dogfighting and looking outside? Does *any* SW media address this?

>>88116781
>>88116799
What do you think that circular green targeting indicator is on the left? In Episode IV both X-Wings and TIE Fighters waited until they had targets zeroed in the center then fired

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Combat_Multi-view_Display

>>88116781
I think for an astromech-assisted ship like that, you probably just point close to the right spot and then let the astromech take the shot. Outside of that you use the targeting indicator or you just spray and pray.

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>>88116843
In Squadrons, it's a radar scope, so I just assumed it was a non-canon piece of gear they just made up for gameplay functionality, since it's not in the OT.

>>88116849
I could see that working with gimballed lasers, but damn, it's so weird to think that a ship just wouldn't have a targeting reticle in easy view of the pilot.

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>>88116862
If you go to 1:45:30 in the first movie, you'll see Luke glance down to his center console and use a targeting system. I'd imagine it's a multi-use display sorta like jet fighters of the time.

>>88111071

the thing you have to understand is that the people writing and consuming these stories are so removed from, psychologically, from actual evil that they can't fathom what it might actually mean. as much as I am loathe to bring in real world politics, these people think misgendering someone is a human rights violation and makes you a nazi. that's it. a regular person calls "her" "he" and bam, the empire.

the ot had a far simpler good and evil dichotomy, and it worked because the bad guys wanted (actually) end democracy and ruled through force and fear. the good guys just wanted to be bale to live in peace and freedom. now everyone simply is. is good. is evil. but outside of that they're just mostly regular people. and this could be compelling, if you have a good story, script, effects, acting, and something to say.

>>88116887
It's a little strange but Star Wars is kinda archaic like that. Dogfights are constantly at super close range like it's WW1 despite the wild capabilities of their fighters.

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Shame we're never getting a Rogue Squadron movie, it would have been so cool to get some X-wing HUD shots. Disney execs must be fucking braindead; imagine how easy "top gun: star wars" would be to sell tickets for. Also, have some OC Donut Steel: a rebel squadron patch, "Incom Experimental Unit Storm Chaser"

>>88110255
Our group made a pod that was cargo storage in the front and a luxurious living space in the back. We also expanded the gunnery station/escape pod on the west side to hold the full party, because it can barely fit three adults in it and the ship has a default crew requirement of 10
SWSE: The hangar space in the pod is worth 800EP

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>>88116896
That seems like it'd suck to use, but I guess it is what it is.
>>88116938
I don't mind it, I just hope we get some form of canon targeting reticle that wouldn't be AIDS to use, purely to satisfy my autism. Also I like the T-70 redesign.

>>88116404
By this point in the Mandalorian we should be pretty damn close to the point in the timeline where the FO begins recruiting war orphans caused by the Rebellion. I just think it's funny to contrast that with all of the silly bullshit currently happening on the Book of Boba Fett and the Mando shit.
>It lasts (in Disney cannon) in it's "reformed" state for how many years? 10? The Empire lasts longer.
Barely 10, yeah. Mon Mothma's eventual departure marks the fall of the NR and the inevitable shitflinging we see later in Bloodlines.

>>88096184
while i was having a walk my brain dreamed up a funny scene

revan singing master exploder in a cantina

the lyrics were as follows

>i do not need "he does not need"
>a lightsaber (a lightsaber)
>the force is fucking powerful

revan lifts up a man in the cantina and starts force choking him

>AAAAAAAAAH
the man's eyes roll into the back of his skull and he faints and drops to the floor

>Sorry...

>the scondrels open fire on revan and his companions open fire back on them as a baster fight breaks out in the bar

>i did not mean (he did not mean)
>to wipe your mind (to wipe your mind)
>but that shit happen to me all the time

blaster fight continues across the bar as hidden jedi come out to fight revans companions
dark side acolytes come out and draw their lightsabers in support of revan

revan is corrupted by the dark side at this point and is wearing a red holocron on his neck as he poses to sing

>now take a look (now take a look)
>tell me what do you see (what do you see?)
>We've got the force... of destiny

>>88107210
What would be some good pickups after the starter set? Is the tank any good?

What can I do against this blizzardforce boogeyman? My flgs has a lot of snow troopers and imperial robot infantry

>>88116940
>Disney execs must be fucking braindead; imagine how easy "top gun: star wars" would be to sell tickets for.
have you been asleep for the last 10 years? Disney rejects everything that made Maverick good. It's just an 80s action film that is playing it straight. Disney cannot and does not want to do that, as proven by their track record.

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>>88116938
The way I understood the canon justification was that due to a few tens of thousands of years of craft development, even the most rudimentary scrub fighter is just lousy with ECM and ECCM. This makes LOS passive systems and the Mk.1 eyeball better tools and limits the engagement bubble. FFS, the Ghost had nearly 90 ILLEGAL stealth and EWAR mods; don't doubt that's on top of the best of the legal. The most common way this fails? An Imperial *actually lays eyes on them*.

IRL, it's because making an engaging movie about strategic combat over long periods across large spaces is fucking hard. Dogfights and capital slugfests have narrative inertia, the run-out time of a torpedo that's probably going to miss doesn't.

>>88117286

If you've got the Clone Wars Core Set, I'd recommend getting more B1s (see if you can pick them up cheap off of someone who wants to play Republic via ebay or Facebook), the Separatist Specialists pack (gives you some extra command cards among other useful things), Dwarf Spider Droids (they're great) and the Super Tactical Droid.
The AAT is arguably the single best tank in the game. Has full armor (can only be wounded by crits) and red saving dice, and can equip High-Energy Shells to give it attack pools which ignore dodge tokens entirely.

As for Blizzard Force; it's a boogeyman, but has to be played *well*. Played by an average player, it is just an Empire list with four bikes instead of three. Focus on playing the objective, and if you can plug a shot into a dodge-less Vader, do it.

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>>88116959
???

There are 9 separate cabins, 4 of which have double bunks anon. Room for 13 in other words.

Even if you're using the derpy-as-fuck deck plan from Polyhedron, it explains in the article text that the three cabins left of center are triple bunks for crew. Meaning there's room for 11 aboard. 12 if the owner is sharing. But don't use that one, it's dumb as heck; no room for engines. Use this one.

>>88112639

Did we ever figure out what the fuck was going on with the guy who did character designs for TPM? Like, one new alien being a weird racist caricature, sure, it can happen by accident sometimes. But between JarJar's jive talking, the Nemoidians and Watto's entire... thing, I'm wondering if there wasn't something going on.

>>88116938

I mean, in the D6 rules sensors are incredibly short ranged on fighters, so maybe that's why? The range on blasters is also pretty crappy.

>>88110255
My group traded it in for a D Wing attack boat the moment they had the cash to afford it

>>88096184
ALERT
>>88096184
ALERT
>>88096184
OBNOXIOUS ALERT

It seems zippyshare is closing down at month's end. Download what you can and get the fuck out
https://www.zippyshare.com/

>>88119168
God damn, I fucking love non-symmetrical freight haulers.

>>88119899
Are you retarded anon?

For one thing, that's an incredibly stupid trade down. You lose one silhouette and that's it. For another, shuttles typically don't have sleeping accommodations. You have to bedroll it on the floor or bench. Which, you can take my word for it as a veteran who had to sleep on C-130s and C-17s, is not as comfy as you'd like.

>>88120318
The Wayfarer is rightfully beloved. I'm not sure I'd call it a medium transport, personally, as that scale of freight work is still tramp freighter territory. But it's a solid ship. Plus the ability to build/acquire pods to replace the cargo pod make it even more valuable.

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Here's the new trailer bro
https://youtu.be/_F6YBwIPzmk

>>88120846
Lame and boring. Terrible. Looks very gay and I don't care about any of these people.

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>>88120846
I mean she looks alright
I prefer the long hair but its not a shitty side shave dyke haircut so its okay
not the biggest fan of the jacket and jeans though, but its alright

>>88120846
Hyped for the Coruscant level but the bad guys look lame. How much can they squeeze into a 20 year period between III and IV? Fucking hell. Like 3 shows and two feature length live action films now? Two full video games, probably more?

I have the strangest feeling that this world they find that the Empire can't reach them is going to wind up being Tython.

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>>88120846
from a sexy nightsister
>>88121193
to a fucking ugly dyke

stunning and brave, the force of fentanyl is with them. i quite enjoyed the first game, except for the plot written by an intellectual eunuch without an ounce of creativity I'll pirate the new one to see if they sent the writer to some writing lessons, or whether it's even worse. I predict worse, though.

>>88121048
Could say the same about Filoni wars, or pretty much any of the DT

>>88122260
You could say that about literally anything ever in the history of media. Nothing in that post was specific or objective.

I hate Dave Filoni

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>>88121591
You're comparing a sexy waifu art to an actual screenshot from the game. Does that not strike you as an unfair comparison?

>>88121591
The first game was pretty, but the combat was terrible. I oneshot Second Sister and I didn't even understand how.

>>88122644
weeb cumbrains don't know what the word "fair" means

>>88122644
Anon, where are we?
Why would he do something *sensible* when he can use a pin-up to cry about the uglification of a character who already looked mostly like a potato?
>WAXDV
See, Cere might look like melted wax, but that's just rood, dood.

>>88123125
Did they ever say what species she is?

>>88120846
Huh. We'll, I've never played the first, but Steam has it on sale for $4. $5 if you want the deluxe edition.
Might be worth the 4 bucks to be able to get in on the bitching and whining.

>>88123242
Isn't she Dathomiran? Same as the Night Sisters? And that bald cunt ventress?

>>88123242
Zabrak.

>>88123377
She's not a Zabrak. There was a female Zabrak depicted in Clone Wars, and she had horns just like Maul.

>>88124575
its a confusing subject

so theres 2 species of Zabrak, Dathomirian and Iridonian
Iridonian have more natural skin tones, but the females have horns
but the dathomirian ones have extreme sexual dimorphism with the males being yellow skinned and the females not having horns and grey skinned

>>88123242
Dathomirian Zabrak is the species of the nightsisters and brother. An offshoot of the standard Zabrak which display far more sexual dimorphism.

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>>88124575
The Wook says she's a Dathomirian Zabrak. Her pronouns are she/her by the way you chud!

>>88124575
Dathomiri used to be zabrak/human hybrids, but that lore is no longer canon, so they're just considered a subspecies of zabraks now.

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>>88119168
I use the Polyhedron layout as the default layout, simply because it's the official layout, and modify the ship from there. It's not perfect but I really can't get into fan layouts like the one you posted. The scale always seems off, somehow.

As for why the group converted half the pod into living space, it's because we couldn't decide which planet to buy manors on (living on separate planets, or renting accommodation, would mean spending MORE money over time). In the end, I jokingly suggested that we convert the pod to housing, buy some undeveloped land on a few different planets and just drop it down whenever we want a vacation. It was a decent compromise but we ended up needing SOME cargo space, if only to not have to buy a second ship for hauling, so only the back half of the pod was converted.
https://swse.fandom.com/wiki/Luxury_Upgrade
After that, we figured that it'd make sense to convert the offices in the ship into additional rooms. Since we were already spending the credits for the 'extreme luxury' theme, we decided that the passenger cabins would have bigger beds for couples/fatfucks, instead of the default bunk beds. Technically the same amount of passenger space, but with less incentive for single passengers and annoying jedi to come aboard. Padawans were no longer allowed to share the same room as their masters, specifically so we could double charge the Jedi. They lost our characters' goodwill after the time that one commandeered the ship as part of the plot and after we got it back, no one at the temple was willing to apologise or pay for the repairs

>>88125025
>simply because it's the official layout
It is not.

Don't make retarded reasoning your raison d'etra.

>>88125170
>It is not
anon, the ship DID NOT EXIST before appearing in Polyhedron #157. It was made for the d20 Revised Edition.
>Don't make retarded reasoning your raison d'etra
It isn't, but I'd rather use a retarded official layout than a retarded fan layout which can't even keep to the proper scale of the ship.

>>88125272
>anon, the ship DID NOT EXIST before appearing in Polyhedron #157. It was made for the d20 Revised Edition.
None of which is canon.

>It isn't, but I'd rather use a retarded official layout than a retarded fan layout which can't even keep to the proper scale of the ship.
It doesn't have a canon set of measurements, but it *did* in 2009. It was 82 meters long. Want to take a WAG at which set of deckplans adheres to that?

>>88106878
Somehow people don't realise that /tg/ is the de facto Fantasy & Sci-Fi board
>>88112609
>Agile enough that it can dogfight with an affordable modification
The thing is over half the length of a CR-90, there's no way it's dogfighting with anything.
>>88126138
>Want to take a WAG at which set of deckplans adheres to that?
The Polyhedron plans since they clearly state that 1 square = 2m and the ship is 41 squares from bow to stern. This also means that a lot of the furniture is either ungodly huge or out of scale, but that's easier to account for.

>>88126138
>None of which is canon
Anon, I said that my group plays SWSE, which predates the Disney buyout and thus I DGAF about what's nu-canon or not.
>>88126295
Yeah, but it's still in the same ship size class as a light freighter. In SWSE, that means it can take Combat Thrusters and be able to dogfight like a Starfighter (which isn't a smart thing to do since actual starfighters are more nimble than your freighter, but it's still an optimal upgrade for any qualifying ship, because it also makes it harder for capital class ships to hit the ship)
https://swse.fandom.com/wiki/Combat_Thrusters

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So how do YOU handle the Nu-Republic in your games?

New thread: >>88127638

>>88126295
>The Polyhedron plans since they clearly state that 1 square = 2m and the ship is 41 squares from bow to stern. This also means that a lot of the furniture is either ungodly huge or out of scale, but that's easier to account for.
So do the deckplans I posted. With the added benefit of the scale actually being correct.

>>88126371
>Anon, I said that my group plays SWSE, which predates the Disney buyout and thus I DGAF about what's nu-canon or not.
My group plays D6. Would you like to try another tack?

>>88127684
>My group plays D6
Then why would you care about what 'canon' my group uses? Hell, I just rreverse image searched your deck plans and they're from some randos blogspot, so I don't even know why you're calling mine into question.
>So do the deckplans I posted
Really? Because >>88119168 doesn't have a standardised grid, nor does it include a listed scale. You only have the fan writer's opinion on it being right or not.

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>>88111777
This guy gets it, and the GM of the universe gave him the roll to confirm it.
As you noted, the contrast between the two is notable, and I would go so far as to say it isn't even accidental in being gray. It's a subtext in most settings anymore: no more heroes, and if they are, they are marginally, if that, better than the villains they fight.
There's settings for playing these kinds of characters, but turning Star Wars into game of thrones in space doesn't work.

>>88127684
>My group plays D6. Would you like to try another tack?
Based anon of the elder ways, I salute you.

>>88119827
The Nemodians were more insectoid then they realsied it needed to be an animatronic mask.