>>88083751
I suspect the people writing Picard's third season mostly skim memory-alpha (they clearly don't read the whole thing) or otherwise get all their knowledge of Star Trek from someone who watched the episodes once, when they first aired, and are asked decades later what it was all about. All they had to do was watch DS9's episode The Adversary to see what a long Changeling was capable of:

>EDDINGTON: I wish the internal sensors were online. It'd make it a lot easier to track down the changeling.
>ODO: I'm not sure the sensors would help. If you scan me when I'm a rock, you'd detect a rock. I may not be able to duplicate a humanoid perfectly, but I'm guessing he can.
>BASHIR: We scanned Ambassador Krajensky for tetryon particles. He registered as human.

Now it turns out they ripple when you punch them, they suck at obtaining knowledge of the people they copy, they all sleep in buckets like Odo's, they somehow leave residual goo behind you can scan to track them even while disguised, and their disguises are only surface deep because they can't copy internal organs thus allowing a scanner to detect them.

So I guess Starfleet Security, the Tal Shiar, the Obsidian Order, the entire Klingon Empire - they all didn't realize to just scan for internal organs. Amazing. So much trouble could have been avoided! But that's okay because now the Changelings are evolving to have internal organs. Yeah, they evolved in the thirty years since the war. This after having proven they could force Odo into a humanoid body, perfectly human except for still having his old face, until a dying baby Changeling restored him. Also goddamit, Crusher, Changelings don't revert to goo when they die, they fucking powderize.

God I wish they'd left DS9 alone. It was better when they acted like it didn't exist.

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>>88084097
I might be the tiniest bit pissed.

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>>88084114
>>88084097
you should have waited to reply until there were more posters in the thread, /tv/ anon

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>>88084362
You've really never seen someone reply to one of their own posts poking fun at themselves? How would that second post even work otherwise? You have to admit >>88084097 is a pretty bitter tl;dr.

>>88084563
>still two people in this thread
I've rarely seen samefagging defending samefagging, that's for sure.

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>>88084770
Why would you want to start your own thread with a pointless argument?

>>88085043
You're assuming a conscious weighing of pros and cons happened beforehand. Some people can't help themselves, they just post on instinct.

>>88084097

I haven't watched the PIC S3 (haven't been bothered, really), but what is the context behind the entire 'scanner detecting a lack of internal organs'? Did they scan the crew looking for people without kidneys or something?

I am now also thinking back to the times we saw a changeling die. They certainly do go powdery if exposed to high energy for a while (The Adversary), or outright explode (the Martok changeling after multiple disruptor hits). Anyone remember what happened to the one in "The Ship"?

>>88085052
Like people who bring old thread trash into the new thread then reply to their own posts.

>>88085145
The same hack writers literally forgot the whole "we scanned the guy we now know is a changeling and he was normal" plus, they whole can fake bloodscreening is nothing new either.
These morons literally don't even read memory alpha, they have their staff edit it after an episode.

>>88085145
>Anyone remember what happened to the one in "The Ship"?
It turned to goo, fell off the ceiling and died.

>>88085170
I remember the shapeshifter being able to fakeout the blood screening the minute they thought it up. Which speaks to that one anon's theory about the link planning steps ahead a few threads back.

>>88083921
I now want to see a Trek-ified Battlestar.

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>>88085561
There’s plenty of fan art of it. It really comes down to whether you prefer to use the battlestar’s engine block or landing pods as nacelles. And then of course there’s the Jupiter from STO, which seems to be in the same spirit.

>>88085561
They did a mod of it in bc remastered and it's a beast. I plan on taking a battlestar miniature and running with it in a trek game at some point.

>>88086012
The landing pods are landing pods. I like that version. I like to think that Starfleet would happily reuse the layout of all the ammo feed systems and just re-use all of Galactica's main gun turrets as high-volume torpedo launchers.

>>88085199

I meant did it turn to dust or not. Been a long time since I watch the episode in question.

>>88085284

Changelings being able to fake out a blood test was something we suspected they could do by (as Papa Sisko said) draining some poor sap's blood and expressing it on demand, but we never had it confirmed that was something they actually did.

>>88085170

Perhaps scanning tech has progressed since the time of the Adversary? If they were scanning for tetryons, would they have been actively scanning 'deeper' to detect the internals, or just comparing the surface level readings to expected baselines?
Seriously, what was the context for the entire 'scan for internal organs' comments at the start of the thread? Were they scanning for active 'live' changelings, was it something they picked up on the fly, was it an autopsy? I've not had time to watch the episode, so please tell me.

>>88086534
>I meant did it turn to dust or not.
It made a plop/liquid sound like when Odo gooed on the floor. They never showed it after that.

Okay, with thanks to Memory Alpha, I now have the context to the entire "internal organs" thing.
I mean, I'm actually okay with changelings not being a perfect 1:1 representation of a solid. How would they *know* about the particular internal structure of every solid creature they may wish to mimic in order to evade a medical scan? It wouldn't shock me to find that a changeling could temporarily mimic a heartbeat if someone checked their pulse, but they wouldn't bother / be capable of entirely replicating a full circulatory system capable of defeating a scan all the time...at least during the time of DS9.

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Just got the Texas-class in STO (named her the USS El Paso) and it's a beast of a little ship for sure. I think I'll work in Admiral Beunamigo as a little Easter Egg for my campaign, maybe link him to the USS Alcubierre from the first adventure.

>>88087055
Neat, how is the ship? is it more of a torpedo boat or do you use cannons with it?

>>88087441
Right now I'm using some basic beam arrays on it and even with those it's wrecking most stuff, especially once I use the VAM. Couple that with the Titan's "Opening Salvo" and a well placed Gravity Well and everything just melts. It's a fast and nimble little ship too which caught me off guard a little since I'm typically maining science ships like the Sutherland.

>>88087552
T6 Steamrunner trait and console seem like they’d go really well with that combo.

>>88087055
I would actually enjoy setting a game on an reformed/fixed Texas class. The idea of a ship that is obviously sentient and a member of the crew is interesting and it wasn’t done to my satisfaction in discovery.

>>88088285
ELH on the STA Discord designed rules for "Ship Spirits" which are basically Ship-borne AI. It's up on the Continuing Mission website.

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>>88086566
The Changeling that died in The Ship crumbled too. The Vorta then beams onto the ship, she tells them that the Jem'Hadar offed themselves for letting a god die, then Sisko lets her take some of the remains.

>but we never had it confirmed that was something they actually did.
Martok was a Changeling since his first appearance and was pushing the Federation into conflict with the Klingons. He performed a blood test in front of Sisko. He was also infiltrating a culture with a LOT of blood letting rituals.

>Were they scanning for active 'live' changelings
Seven tried but before she could analyze the residue in its bucket the Changeling attacked. Also we were informed that all ships have basically Changeling detectors now. You have to walk through a bio-scanner which they claim is standard on ships since the Dominion War. Apparently it's somehow more effective than, you know, transporters which they use to go from place to place and have to know your internal and external structure to put you back together. But nobody thought of that either.

>>88086837
I don't know, kind of goes against the whole, "To become a thing is to know a thing," bit (or words to that effect). It's also weird that tricorders can only detect the surface level when we've seen them scan through walls and solid rock.

>>88088285
Sounds pretty neat. But I don't really know what to do with the Autonomous ships.

>>88086837
A lot of what the Changelings can do is left vague. All we know is they're ridiculously op, able to transform into clouds, fog, fire, some kind of golden mist to have freaky sex with Kira. A lot of what we know about Changelings come from Odo, but he's among the least skilled Changelings we see, the next least skilled being an actual baby. They've honed their craft over thousands, if not millions of years. For instance we don't even know if the blood test would work on them. The only times we see it work are when Leyton has Sisko's test faked and when a Changeling posing as Bashir fakes Eddington's test.

Remember when the Changelings turned Odo into a human-ish? Despite Bashir's tests he was still a Changeling, as evidenced when the baby unlocked his powers ago. Odo was locked into a single shape, complete with internal organs and blood that remained blood after it was removed. For all we know a fully skilled Founder can transform part of themselves into blood the same way, remaining blood after it's removed and able to fool any scanner after.

As for how they know a creature's internal structure there's been theories over the years as you might imagine from this fandom. Everything from Federation ships and Bajoran colony wiped out in the Gamma Quadrant involved detailed study of prisoners. Hidden technology in their goo that lets them scan targets (we know they can carry combadges and the like so it's possible). Or how humans shed our DNA everywhere in hair and skin flakes which a Changeling could pick up and potentially use to shape themselves into you. I always liked that last one since it's like shapeshifting plus cloning. They're also at least partially telepathic and god knows what else.

Basically STP season 3 is a downgrade which changes the Changelings in ways that make the Dominion War make no sense.

>>88088959
fwiw at least we know the Federation uses drone ships for a number of purposes, but mostly cargo transport. I don't know what that adds to this conversation, just pointing out that Starfleet has always flirted with the idea and to an extent it's always been available even before the Texas-Class. Not necessarily sentient, though I suppose you never know with the Enterprise D creating sentient holograms within its memory core and that time it went rogue and created its own baby.

I always wondered how much of the latter might have to do with Ira Graves downloading his mind into the ship. They said his consciousness was gone, but it only a tiny undetected spark remained?

>>88088421
Star Trek meets Andromeda. Now we just have to add in the Taelon and this Roddenbury turducken will be complete.

>>88089361

My point was more that while the Changelings would know about kidneys (for example), would they be able to remember all the nuances of Vulcan versus Human versus Bajoran kidneys (and so on) to reliably reproduce them internally on demand if they were subjected to a thorough medical scan? If they can, would they bother to maintain the organ once the scan was done?
Honestly, I don't mind Changelings being nerfed a little bit, because honestly they are mind-bogglingly OP. Can perfectly duplicate a thing, can change their mass & density at whim, completely impossible to detect them etc etc. The Dominion War makes no sense, largely because the Founders *should* have been able to crap over all efforts to identify their infiltration unless they had some limitations.

>>88089965
>would they be able to remember all the nuances of Vulcan versus Human versus Bajoran kidneys
I imagine so. Odo wasn't the most skilled member of his race, but early on his memory was stated to be superior to a humans to the point that he didn't see a reason for making security log entries that Starfleet was demanding. They knew humanity well enough to form a perfect duplicate (except, again, for the face). They had every detail added in and Bashir was repeatedly unable to detect any Changeling qualities until certain circumstances like a space storm that caused Odo to form a telepathic version of the Link with the other occupants of the Runabout.

I know they play themselves up as gods but they've got a few legit claims to that, even if they are on the extremely low end of evolutionary ascended beings as far as Star Trek godlike entities go. They're far more advanced than Klingons, Vulcans, Humans, etc. Or at least that's the way it used to go. They certainly weren't invincible, but neither were the other godlike beings the Prophets/Pah-Wraiths who were also vulnerable to sufficiently convoluted technobattle and could be killed. It's a feature of DS9.

>>88089965
As far as being able to run roughshod over the Federation, weren't they? Changeling O'Brien meeting up with Sisko on Earth and laughing about how much chaos they'd caused:

O'BRIEN: Ah. What if I were to tell you that there are only four on this entire planet. Not counting Constable Odo of course. Think of it. Just four of us, and look at the havoc we've wrought.
SISKO: How do I know you're telling me the truth?
O'BRIEN: Four is more than enough. We're smarter than solids. We're better than you. And most importantly, we do not fear you the way you fear us. In the end, it's your fear that will destroy you.

Changelings tend to have better schemes than just posing as a low ranking crew members or mass replacing people on a ship. Ambassador Krajensky, Martok. They tend to target important people with power to cause maximized damage with the fewest operatives. I believe fake O'Brien for the same reason the Female Changeling said Odo was more important to them than the entire Alpha Quadrant. They place huge value on their own kind. Using too many of them as spies is just too risky. After all, the Ambassador, Martok, and Bashir changelings were all killed. There's a reason they preferred to use their armies of Vorta and Jem'Hadar, which is why they even created (or altered) them in the first place.

The stuff going on in STP makes no real sense. I hope it has nothing to do with the transporters, like Changelings have rigged them to change the matter of solids on re-materialization and including a morphogenic matrix, so the Changelings we saw aren't Founders, they're augmented people. Might explain why they need buckets to sleep in. The persistent organs because they're more a hybrid than actual Changelings. Jack was augmented but not completely so his programming is struggling to kick in. It would explain why the Changelings he killed this episode seemed to think they were rescuing him, not abducting. Not sure why I bother to speculate, though.

>>88087055
Is it still fully automated with no crew? I notice it still has no windows

>>88089361
>Everything from Federation ships and Bajoran colony wiped out in the Gamma Quadrant involved detailed study of prisoners.
STA leans heavily in this. For instance the Gamma Quadrant supplement mentions that the Founders could mimic a Gorn but lack a lot of knowledge on their culture to the point where a Changeling operative would be going in blind. Other things, like they can duplicate a Tholian and survive a Tholian environment but they can't fully mimic the Tholian ability to produce subspace signals but they want to know how and are actively pursuing it.

>>88090271
Speculation or not, I hope they don't use this idea because I'm thinking of a nice horror-based one-shot for Halloween. Changelings able to "infect" Solids? What a wild idea. It's Star Trek meets The Thing. Since we know the Changelings have experience genetically programming their own kind (the Hundred Changelings sent out into the galaxy were programmed with a triggered obsession to return home) you could subvert an infected person's mind into the Founder's POV.

I don't think it would require much if any homebrewing to work but I'd have to start plotting it out to know for certain. I don't think I'd use the transporter. Their version of a morphogenic virus or a specially designed changeling like the baby that transformed Odo back into a Changeling. It doesn't have to be 100% Trek canon friendly for a holiday themed one-shot.

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>>88090809
At the risk of ticking off OP by replying to myself, the more I think about this idea the more I love it. It doesn't even need to be a Founder plot. I'm imagining an abandoned Romulan research facility hidden in the Neutral Zone where the Tal Shiar were experimenting with adding Changeling abilities to their operatives to create the ultimate spies, only it goes tits up. Naturally it will be an ice planet because it just has to be.

>>88090809
>>88091084
Ditch the Neutral Zone (though I like the NZ because it's a nice way to add automatic tension whenever players have to sneak in there) and you could set it in a defunct Obsidian Order base. Keep the ice planet, because nobody would suspect the Cardassians of having a base there, right? Have the information on the base lost with the Order Fleet with only scraps of information still existing on Cardassia.

Put it near the DMZ and you can include Maquis and more Dominion elements as needed. I'm also thinking about a wounded Changeling in stasis, a captured infiltrator whom they were harvesting goo from for their experiments. Modified soldiers similar to the ones left to guard Empok Nor. The outpost computers contain fragmentary data on development of the quantum stasis field which inhibits shapeshifting. A science officer can recover this data and an engineer can construct it using components scattered around the base, as a potential victory condition.

I think it has potential. It could still be Romulans, though, and still include a version of the quantum stasis field. The Tal Shiar and Obsidian Order were working together but didn't 100% trust each other, they managed to obtain information on the device but the Lovak Changeling wasn't in the loop. That sort of thing.

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>>88079834
I'm trying to decide if I like this uniform variant or not. Dat weird arse asymmetry, mang.

>>88092737
It gives me Orville vibes, no joke.
Y’know I really do want to like these comics, I enjoy the ideas of it, a Klingon cult that kills other people’s gods in the name of kahless, a ship called the Theseus staffed by of bits and parts of the crew of more famous starfleet ships. But none of it works in practice. I really hope it improves as it goes along.

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>>88092845
At least we get a bunch of ridiculous facial expressions. It's no "stick him in the agony booth" but it's something. I mean why the hell does Scotty look Chinese?

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>>88092951
I suppose I should post actual Scotty instead of Sisko's Janeway impersonation.

>>88092737
Why are worf and sisko fighting? They weren't best friends but they always got along in DS9 didn't they?

>>88094449
In the comic Emperor Kahless launches a holy crusade to kill all the gods in the galaxy. He's supposed by a Klingon cult and Word has jus discovered that Alexander is a member. Sisko was about to stop Kahless but Worf wouldn't let him because it would kill Alexander, too. So basically Worg is going, "Muh son!" and Sisko is going, "Fuck you." After this issue the two go their separate ways. Worf makes his own elite team with Spock, Ro Laren, and Lore and won't work with Sisko who, after coming back from the Celestial Temple, is full of piss and vinegar.

>>88084097
They might have shown that the Titan-A uses repair drones we've seen in DIS. They might have still been the manned pods, though. We didn't really get a good look. I think it's just a conceit that they feel Star Trek needs. Modern world has a glut of drones these days, self-driving cars creeping a bit closer to reality, etc.

I'd prefer it if they went a step further. Skip the drones/worker pods and go straight to an industrial replicator facility in the ship that functions similar to the vehicle replicator in Prodigy. Beam up damaged exterior components, add in energy to matter during rematerialization to repair damage, then beam the new component into place. You could do this to interior wall components, too. There would still be times when you'd need some manual repairs via spacewalk or pods, but I still like this for ship self-repair. It's advanced, but still not up to the Borg ships unmangling themselves to reverse damage.

>>88092967
If Scotty had forehead ridges he'd make a decent Klingon. Hm. Speaking of older Klingons, is Worf prematurely gray? I don't know if Klingons live longer, but if their lifestyle doesn't kill them they certainly seem to age with more grace than humans. Must be all those redundant organs.

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>>88094610
>is Worf prematurely gray?
Speaking of Worf/Dorn, does he look weak? I know the guy turned 70 recently, but he looks kind of frail and top-heavy? Something that could be masked with clothes and perhaps standing differently or using some sort of stances.

This pains me, because he's still portrayed as a capable warrior - but I can't shake off the feeling of weakness I get from him...

>>88094679
Maybe, but we would all be so lucky to look as good as he does at that age. He still SOUNDS like Worf. Oh maybe not quite as much fire as he used to have back in the day, but of all the returning characters I've enjoyed his scenes the most, despite Raffi. It's pretty hard to listen to Sir Patrick these days. Sounds like he has permanent laryngitis. He's 82 so I get it, it's just hard hearing such a great voice go sour. Time has a way of piling up on us, until none of us can bear the weight.

While we're on the subject I worry a bit about Frakes. He's lost some weight, and good for him, but I hope he didn't have to do any extreme conditioning or anything like that. That can be very rough at his age, especially on the heart.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Sneed
is this real??

>>88094610
I'll just come out and say it, I don't like repair drones because it raises questions, specifically: why not security drones? No, why not security drones? Remember DS9 had that mini-phaser turret created by the OPS replicator that time they inadvertently tripped the automated work revolt program? Ship gets boarded? Phaser turrets pop out of the corridor ceilings to provide security. Why not some offense to the force field defense?

If they're worried about them being hacked imagine the horror of hacked repair drones ripping up the nacelles or entering through the cargo bays and shoving a plasma torch up some poor ensign's rear access port.

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>>88095146
No, David, go back to sleep.

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>>88095146
No, anon, this is all a dream. You’ve been in a coma for years. Wake up, we miss you.

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>>88094679
>>88094754
Time is the fire in which we burn.

>>88095339
I was always curious how many versions of that guy wound up existing. If he's like Guinan, and no reason to believe he isn't, he's left a piece of himself in the Nexus during that first fateful encounter. But he also should have gotten in when Picard did, and then a third version whom Picard and Kirk successfully took down.

Assuming, of course, that the temporal hijinks didn't erase the second one. Time travel in Star Trek is so unreliable in how it works.

>>88095502
Ah shit, new headcanon accepted: Soran II gets into the nexus only to find out that Soran I, from the original encounter prior to the Enterprise-B transporting him away, has been shacked up with his wife this entire time. He's stuck with nothing to do for all of meaningless time but seethe in the shed outside Kirk's barn.

>>88090691
It's been "made safe" and is covered in sensors all over the place is my guess.

>>88095650
>"made safe"
>somewhere in the bowels of the ship is a holodeck with the doors welded shut
>inside is a simulation of Buenamigo being perpetually tortured by the ship itself in order to satiate its bloodlust algorithms and allow the rest of the AI to perform its basic duties

>>88090271
>The stuff going on in stp makes no real sense.
The entire "series in a nutshell."
>>88089361
>A lot of what the Changelings can do is left vague.
Aside from the fact that Odo literally points out that he can't replicate humanoids that well, but the rest of his species most likely can, which they confirm the ambassador literally passed every scan as human, and most likely as the ambassador too (since they could no doubt go back and check the transporter logs).
They can also literally generate a stable warp field (even though it was one of the hundred, that feat is clearly not exclusive to them).

>Basically stpseason 3 is a downgrade which changes the Changelings in ways that make the Dominion War make no sense.
On top of this, on top of their super upgrade powers, they still get downgraded in a few centuries for that bullshit encounter in std.

>>88091084
FFS anon, there's adding to your post because you forgot something then there's being that guy. Don't fuck up a nice discussion by being that guy.

>>88095163
>why not security drones? No, why not security drones?
Welcome to Minos! Where our motto is: "peace, through superior firepower!"
After that, I'm sure everyone decided security drone were a bad idea.
Except the cardies, who made a big space version and spammed them, whom the Federation quickly figured out you could trick with timely placed warp signature projections on the CPU.

>>88095546
>>88095650
Hey guise, we hate AI, so do you think we should go ahead and make the daystrom space lab fully automated, and put all our doomsday tech in there?

But of course, after all, we really hate AI! To the point of banning even the medical tech. Why wouldn't we leave the daystrom lab guarded by AI? But do you think we should patch this "garage door key.exe bug?"

Nah.

>>88096143
kek

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>>88096143
Everyone knows you fight plasma fire with plasma fire. And Dayström is where they keep Peanut Hamper, after all.

>>88096125
Without going into the faggotry that is pic territory, you illustrate the point that automation really drives home how quickly someone thinking on their feet can overcome such a system.
Even the Super advanced AI race on Voyager was defeated by having the other side show up.

All's Janeway had to do was stop for a few minutes and figure out if anyone else had any dealings with them, and someone asks if they met the silver or gold ones, then tells her to find the opposing faction. I would think everyone in the surrounding sectors were just waiting for them to die off, and were playing them against each other when situations like that came up.

>>88096701
The vault from Raiders most likely, not some easily accessible mega station that anyone can access. That one TNG episode showed the folly of a fully automated station, and that was just a telescope.

>>88096920
Two actually: the one with the multiverse of Worfs, and the one where Barclay gets the big brain upgrade

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>>88088421
>ELH on the STA Discord designed rules for "Ship Spirits" which are basically Ship-borne AI. It's up on the Continuing Mission website.
So a Starship CAN have a Klabautermann...
But, ARE THEY CUTE GIRLS?!

>>88097262
(Starfleet trademarked klaxon)
Main computer: WARNING! Please do not attempt to fornicate or 'waifu' the onboard holographic shipboard personnel. Go to the holodeck for your holo-sexual urges.'
(Starfleet trademarked klaxon)

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>>88097262
Eat torpedos.

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>>88097358
>>88097386
It's not that a crewman might waifu the ship, it's that the ship husbandos a crewman!

>>88097516
The last time a ship gained something resembling sapience, it made a swizzle stick art deco project and shot it into space, then went back to sleep.

>>88095146
Formerly Quark's

>>88097516
I mean, the Leah Brahms hologram was essentially the Ent-D using Leah''s image as a puppet to express how it felt about Geordi.

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>>88095146
No.

>>88097262
>The face when no cute and nerdy Nebula-chan who wants nothing more than to chart new interstellar anomalies and play on the holodeck with you

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>>88100013
>TFW no smol and genki Pioneer who wants to see what's over that next hill!

>>88100191
Speaking of guys I'm not kidding this may be my favorite starship design of all time, certainly my favorite Star Trek one, and it's from frickin' STO of all things.

>>88100212
The new intrepid has a very similar shape fwiw.

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>>88092967
Fuckin’ stogie champ.

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>>88083921
I have fond memories of this game.

>>88096109
Were The Thing references too on the nose for you? It's true that Star Trek doesn't really do horror all that well. From Catspaw to Sub Rosa. Opinions on Nagilum vary. I'd argue the Borg are fairly decent body horror without being too gratuitous, but Voyager definitely overused them making it harder to get as much tension out of them. The Vulcan zombies from the ENT episode Impulse were definitely more miss than hit.

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>>88096125
>>88096899
Both missing the point that Star Trek Wall-E is already a thing. Sadly, this is true, but we're stuck with them.

But at any rate the automation wasn't the problem with either of those. The robots on Voyager designated their creators as hostile after both sides agreed to peace, thus triggering the killbot's self-preservation programming as they feared being deactivated. The Minos probes were doing exactly what they were supposed to do, the real threat was the auto-upgrade feature. Not really sure how the people on that planet failed to stop it since the non-sentient sales AI could have at any moment.

>>88096143
No no, the Romulans hate AI. The Federation is so in love with it they've been on a neverending quest for silicon slaves since forever. Control, M5, the Texas-Class, EMH Mark Is scrubbing plasma filters across the Federation, Maddox's quest for a fistful of Datas.

At this point I'm surprised the Federation (actually, a rogue admiral, or S31) went back to Minos to pick up that order of kill drones Picard placed. The Dominion War, for instance, already had them doing some sketchy as shit stuff. I could even see someone thinking it would be a great idea to throw those at the Borg and start an adaptation power race. Just imagine how THAT will obviously backfire.

>>88096125
The problem with "security drones bad!" is... Shit, I guess anon already pointed it out. A repair drone with access to tools that can cut through starship hull plating to do repairs is not going to be a picnic if they go rogue and start Dead Spacing through the crew.

"Attention all hands, this is the captain. I just wanted to inform you that we're undergoing slight technical issues with our repair system, but I don't want any of you to worry because we've locked down emergency bulkheads-"
"Uhm, captain, they're cutting through the bulkheads."
"Oh, right, they can literally cut through everything on the ship. Well, still don't worry because we have forcefields-"
"Now they're cutting through the walls, sir."
"FUCK! Okay, so you should all be taking a leisurely stroll to the nearest escape pod and-"
"They cut through the escape pod ports to enter the ship."
"............ So I know the Federation is pretty agnostic, but does anyone know any good prayers?"

Don’t know how to feel about the new Intrepid. Really like the look of her up front but that gunt deflector is FASA levels of bad.

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>>88101493
It's just a Starfleet Overcompensator-Class. Makes the Klingons quake and the Ferengi shake.

Side-note, are we supposed to be speculating that Ro Laren survived? Feels like the bit about being able to transport if closer to the Titan is meant to make us say, "Well, she got pretty close to the Intrepid." At this point I'd be fine with her croaking because this whole big family reunion is going to keep getting worse as more TNG era characters show up. I wouldn't be surprised if Thomas Riker makes a sudden appearance only to be shot by someone shouting, "CHANGELING!" when they see the two Rikers standing next to each other.

>>88101493
It looks like what throwing up in your mouth feels.

>>88101493
Hiring someone to take his TMP era OCs and reskin them to fit 2401 was a mistake.

>>88102297
>>88102161
While I'm not a fan of this particular design, I do appreciate, fwiw, that someone is making an effort to do something different. After that cut and paste fleet in season 1 this, at least, is a step in the right direction. Maybe I'm cutting them some slack because we've seen some damn weird ships in the past and present. I remember everyone complaining about the California-Class having engineering suspended between the nacelles. Hell, someone complained about that in-universe, too.

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>>88102396
A character going "man, this look terrible" does not make it not-terrible.

Now, I can forgive a lot of weird old designs with "they were experimenting" but once you figure out what works and just have to refine on that, there has to be a very good reason to go back to the crazy old designs. Were they trying to see if future tech could solve the issues with the old designs? People just didn't remember they tried this before? Hubris? Stupidity? All of the above?

>>88101116
Night Terrors was decent, imo. Crazed lone survivor of a shipwide self-inflicted slaughter, the Enterprise mysteriously stuck in space, people succumbing to increasingly worsening hallucinations as their minds weaken. That scene where the corpses were sitting up. Sadly ruined by the ridiculous flying Troi.

The problem, again imo, is that while Trek episodes can include elements of horror here and there, they trend more towards suspense thriller. Consider episodes like Bashir's telepathic coma dream on his birthday. Empok Nor is another good one. Very creepy atmosphere but not quite what I'd call horror. Don't even get me started on the Casino Royale.

Personal takes probably vary.

>>88101116
Sub Rosa wasn't doing horror, it was doing paperback romance. Some of those Fabio-type books have ghosts in them, women get wet for all kinds of cursed immortals.

>>88102396
>I remember everyone complaining about the California-Class having engineering suspended between the nacelles. Hell, someone complained about that in-universe, too.

That's because it's fucking dumb. I get it, I understand the logic "haha we're making a jokey show about a background ship, so the ship should look like a shitty kitbash that was only meant to be seen on screen for a few seconds but actually our whole show is set there haha look Bones I turned myself into a pickle I'm Pickle Kirk" etc, but that's a stupid idea, and even if they were determined to do a stupid thing they could have executed it better - just like, fuckin' reinforce the top part of the nacelle and the points where the struts contact with it. It'd still be dumb, but it would at least look like it was designed by an engineer rather than a cartoonist.

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>>88102544
>A character going "man, this look terrible" does not make it not-terrible.
You mean the California-Class? I never thought it was terrible, but that's a personal opinion so it's kind of a moot point. I do think it's a shitty design, however that plays well for the California-Class' many and sundry problems. This goes double for the Ceritos personally, for instance so far every single season finale has involved catastrophic damage across the ship that necessitated Starbase/construction yard repairs.

I'm willing to forgo griping probably because I saw it as an obscure joke about the Grissom. It's like something gets in the water supply at Utopia Planitia now and then and Starfleet is left trying to figure out what to do with the result. "Fuck it, let's just make them do second contact duties."

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>>88102628
I figure Sub Rosa is more of a hybrid, like sexy bodice ripping vampire books (the ones with the boobs on the cover, right Mesk?). Only in this case it was a vampiric alien ghost living in a candle seducing Crusher's extremely ancient grandma whom he later reanimated to attack Geordi and Data.

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>>88102716
>>88102628
The horror may unintentionally come from the granny fucking more than anything else. And they say Gene was the best at working his fetishes into stories!

Luv me Norway
Luv me Steamrunner
Luv me California
Luv me Duderstadt
it makes me very happy when they do something creative with the traditional parts and placement of a starfleet ship. Especially in nutrek where such designs are contrasted with a parade of bland Excelsior and Constitution clones or outright bullshit that’s completely disconnected from the setting like the La Sirena.

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>>88103053
While I'm not hyped on the design I don't mind La Sirena existing. It's more Starfleet has a specific design type, but Star Trek is a big beautiful setting with all types of different vessel designs. One of the things I adore about ENT is that it gave us some beautiful designs for the Federation founders, among others, which later series decided are still in use as cultural preferences for individual species.

I still remember how controversial the Defiant's design was. I used to be one of those people uneasy about it, but it became such a badass hero ship that it erased most of my qualms. Still to this damn day part of me wonders if I might like it more if it didn't have that nose section. Would it look too much like an elongated saucer with nacelles welded on? I don't know. I think what always bugged me is that at first glance it's like a mutant obese Runabout.

>>88103191
I know how mad people were about the nacelles being built into the saucer, but that’s about it.

>>88103243
This is all pre-internet social media posting so results are going to be more localized to whatever you and your friends/family felt and whatever fan circuits you rolled with. Maybe a Trek bbs.

My personal recollection is that a certain dislike of the ship's design played up with it being "not Starfleet", specifically how controversial it was to have a Federation warship. Just reclassifying it as a sports utility escort wasn't going to calm these feelings. The counter is that it was more anti-Borg and not pro-war.

Ironically I think the design differences are there for that exact reason. It's meant to look like no other Federation ship because it's like no other Federation ship.

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>>88103191
I don't mind unorthodox designs if they can explain why others don't do it like that. Like, vast majority of warp vessels have the nacelles somewhat separate from the hull, even if in direct contact with it (see shuttles, etc.) There must be a reason for it. Why is the Defiant able to have them inside the hull and still perform equally well? If there is no drawbacks to the design, why aren't all ships built like that?

I've always wondered what the Defiant would've looked like with just nacelles under the little extensions on the sides. Like on the runabout. Feels like that would've solved issues.

>>88096094
>Aside from the fact that Odo literally points out that he can't replicate humanoids that well, but the rest of his species most likely can


Lately, I've been beginning to question this. What if shapeshifting is a learned skill, and only the elites are allowed to participate in destabilization campaigns? The whole "we can all do this, solid" schtick could easily be another layer of psyop by the Founders.

>>88103672
>There must be a reason for it. Why is the Defiant able to have them inside the hull and still perform equally well?
Makes it a smaller target in combat, conversely it also puts the crew at more risk if the ship is actually struck.

>>88103672
It was established early on that the Defiant has so many design flaws that it took O'Brien being a miracle worker just to bring it up to being functional, and even then it wasn't actually all that powerful compared to previous ships, and undersuited for the role it was specifically designed for. It's powerful compared to other small ships of its size, but that's like taking the top pound-for-pound boxer and putting him up against heavyweights; he'll still get smoked. The only ships of its class that we end up seeing are the Defiant itself, its replacement, and a cadet training ship that gets its ass kicked when it bites off more than it can chew. It's The Sisko's personal pet project, but didn't seem to have been adopted fleet-wide, indicating it didn't actually have many advantages.

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>>88103672
You should check out the Defiant concept art.

>>88103693
We know it's a learned skill since Laas was better than Odo, having had an extra century or whatever to practice. The tricky bit is Changeling reproduction is unknown. However they reproduce it's likely carefully planned to control their numbers. I mean they're already an ocean, how much of a planet do they want to cover? However this may be an erroneous implication due to the creation of the Hundred, who were specifically born to be launched into space and learn about the galaxy on their own before finding their way back.

However since Changelings call themselves timeless they appear to be effectively ageless, barring disease or injury they just don't die. So the Founders in the Great Link should all be quite adept just from having existed for who knows how long. According to the Female Changeling it's been eons since they were themselves Solids. It's possible some of the Changelings just laze about in the Link and don't practice their shapeshifting? But one Founder felt it was too early to let Odo experience the Link, which is said repeatedly to be overwhelming to him. If they have babies on their world they probably aren't in the Link.

Really we don't have enough information to know for sure, but we do know some.

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>>88103899
Back when it was still going to be the USS Valiant, too.

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>>88103912
This puts me in mind of a Cardassian design, for some reason. The long body with tappering, I suppose.

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>>88103927
That weirdly smiling shuttlecraft welded to the top, tho.

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>>88103725
Nacelles seem to perfectly capable of taking the whole ship with them even when placed away from the hull.

Would assume races like Klingons wouldn't mind sticking their nacelles into armoured housings and going off to Sto'Vo'Kor in style when the plating fails. But only ship of theirs with the same idea is the Bird of Prey (nacelles in the humps on the back). Only race I can think of that quite systematically puts the nacelles into the hull are the Cardassians.

Now, I can understand military logic of making the nacelles more vulnerable while also easier to repair (compare, say, WW2 German and US tank suspension), but you don't have to stick them out so much to have them be easily replaceable. Those Defiant ones seem like the side pods can be removed and replaced, even house alternative style nacelles if the tech improves down the line.

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>>88103899
I like this design, but I might feel differently if it were made into a model and seen from other angles. This is curious to me because I dislike the Dauntless, however much it's based on that fake Federation slipstream ship, due to how the nacelles are tucked in close and hugging the undercarriage. Maybe it looks better when they're up top? Or it's the Dauntless weirdly oversized "saucer"?

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>>88103954
Then people like the Cardassians and Ferengi eschew traditional nacelles but nobody does so with greater sex appeal than the Vulcan warp ring. Klingons are variable. The Vor'cha has obvious nacelles, but Birds of Prey use their wing struts as gun emplacements.

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>>88103980
Goatse ship.

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>>88104009
Well played, anon!

>>88104003
I imagine the BoP is like a shuttle craft, with the nacelles tucked next to the hull, and the wings are purely for weapon mounts with little purpose for anything else. Maybe mounting them further apart gives them better field of fire and tracking to go for sub-systems over more fixed positions?

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Vor'cha is love, Vor'cha is life, but I also dig the Negh'var. Shame it vanished from DS9 and Emperor Martok didn't use it during the final battles.

>>88096109
Doesn't look like anon forgot anything but was building on the idea. I hate that we had one of the rare ttrpg discussions here and someone has to complain about it. Maybe it was a bad idea to poke fun at what happened in the start of the thread, but it was a no harm, no foul situation since nothing came of it. For the record if nothing comes of it, it's best ignored. You compound the issue you're complaining about by drawing attention to it.

>>88104076
I still like the D7/K't'inga.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agAZbsPl3EE

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>>88104215
I love how the Klingons are like, "FUCK YOU, SPACE CLOUD!" I'm not sure how common this viewpoint is, but I kind of dig the Klingon periscope.

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>>88104262
Far more stylish than the Starfleet alternative.

>>88104295
Yeah, the Federation viewmaster isn't bad either. Kind of a shame they don't use it anymore. I do like that they included a variation on the science station console microscope for T'Pol.

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The Dominion headgear wasn't bad either. Got to love how you can see all around the exterior of the ship just by turning your head. Shame about the species incompatibility.

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>>88104345
The headset is much better than the shoulder mount, though in theory with the shoulder mount you could switch from normal view to scanner view just by moving your head away.

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>>88104362
>Dukat, what does the headset say about Sisko's power level?!
>IT'S OVER 9000!!!!

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>>88104468
This isn't even my final form.

>>88086534
>>I meant did it turn to dust or not. Been a long time since I watch the episode in question.
It turned to a black crusty substance and powderized like the Changeling that died in The Adversary.
https://youtu.be/wNBBwgZteVw?t=200

Changeling Martok exploded.
https://youtu.be/uKW1n0v5z6k?t=57
Also holy FUCK he could take a pounding.

On a side note, I love the irony that because the Founders were mocking Odo by assuming faces similar to his he's able to pose as the Female Changeling later on.

>>88104345
Probably just needs its frames per second or field of view adjusted. Like playing an fps game with the settings screwed up.

>>88104565
Yeah, Bashir says he wishes they had more time to study it. Cardassians do okay, though, and I think Kira wore one when they were stealing the ship with the Breen weapon installed?

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>>88104594
Yeah, here it is. Although she might have had problems with prolonged usage. Sisko's headaches didn't start immediately. Still I like to think it's another example of humanity being a below average species and the scrappy underdog of Star Trek.

>>88104565
Or it operates with wave lengths that stress the human eye over time. Like how infrasounds can cause people to feel nauseous when exposed to for a long periods of time.

>>88104620
>Still I like to think it's another example of humanity being a below average species and the scrappy underdog of Star Trek.
Just that different species have different tolerances. Cardassians like higher temperatures than humans (Garak says he's constantly chilly on DS9) and Vulcans apparently need to numb their olfactory system around humans, because they stink too much (ENT).

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>>88104076

The coolest Star Trek ship is the Klingon B'rel class Bird Of Prey.

>>88104646
Oh I'll grant you it could be something as simple as that. Humanity getting dunked on is kind of a Star Trek tradition these days. The Borg Queen, most if not all of the other founding members of the Federation in ENT at one time or another, and I think most recently in Star Trek Prodigy when talking about Dal's baseline genetics likely being something unremarkable like Homo Sapiens.

Not related, but I was also reading about Robert Beltran refusing a part in PIC. Turns out he wasn't keen on playing Evil Chakotay in the warped future. Can't say I blame him, even if he might get to make out with Seven again.

https://trekmovie.com/2023/03/09/exclusive-robert-beltran-turned-down-star-trek-picard-role-picking-up-on-seven-chakotay-romance/

>>88104702
I don't know. It has a better top down view, not really digging the side view.

>>88104719
Given Chakotay's character and Beltran's own views, I wonder how he'd interact on Lower Decks, with Mariner's own "these regulations are stupid, we should do what's right" attitude.

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>>88104976
Call Tuvok and put her through bootcamp. After possibly socking her out because of how the Maquis do things.

I'm not advocating a violence thing against her, it's not her at all. It's how Chakotay turned into Mr. Straight Arrow (no native american jokes intended) so quickly.

>>88103191
I hate the giant fucking nose on the front. I absolutely, positively hate the giant fucking nose on the front. Get rid of whatever the Hell that's supposed to be and it'd be fine.

>>88103899
I don't hate this.

>>88103912
I don't mind this either, though I can see the beginning of that giant fucking shnozz.

>>88103927
Maybe flip this one around?

>>88103936
That fucking nose.

>>88105237
>Get rid of whatever the Hell that's supposed to be and it'd be fine.
Deflector, sensor pod and suicide drone all in one. Ha ha torpedo magazine.

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>>88105237
>I don't mind this either, though I can see the beginning of that giant fucking shnozz.
The nacelle "wings" remind me of the protective casing around a buzzsaw. And now I'm imagining a melee based starship with a giant fucking buzzsaw blade.

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>>88105237
Just you wait for it.
https://forgottentrek.com/deep-space-nine/designing-the-defiant/

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>>88105509
The Runabout on steroids is my favorite.

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>>88105383
> suicide drone all in one. Ha ha torpedo magazine.
Dear god...

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>>88103912
The cutest.

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>>88101217
The pre-Federation Tellarite sleeper ship Jankom Pog (from the Prodigy toon) was on had a robotic...something or other. It was an extension of the ship in that it could tell him what needed repairs, but it needed him to do the work. It was also either extremely primitive or had a damaged processor, requiring him to constantly identify himself and leading to his quirk of referring to himself in the third person.

I'm not sure how that fits with this conversation, I'm just sharing the info.

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>>88086012
-and speaking of Carriers...
I posted a Hammerhead from Space: Above and Beyond last thread talking about Escape pods / Ejection seats in Trek fighters.
The pilot compartments were the escape pods and also attached on to the main body just before launch.
"Full-scale models of the "Hammerhead" fighters used in the series were created in Australia at RAAF Base Williamtown. An unverified report stated that, while they were being stored on board the freighter before shipping, crewmen from a Russian freighter were caught taking pictures of them after mistakenly thinking they were a new kind of advanced U.S. tactical fighter. "

>>88094754
My friend did some transcription work on a podcast that Frakes did.
It was actually pretty cool.
I didn't realize how old he might be till an episode of The Waltons came on after something I had been watching and he was in it.
I watched that show with my grandmother when it originally aired.

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>>88106252
I'm still doubtful you'd have time to eject, at least when hit with a Galor-Class phaser or plasma torpedo, but then I'm not sure they do escape pods with anything shuttle sized. On the plus side at least your death is quick! phaser flash and your entire vessel just disintegrates.

Fighter-wise, I forgot about these on the Cardassian side. I guess it's more of a shuttle/fighter, but still interesting. In STA they're classed as a corvette. Individually weak, meant to be used in squadrons to be effective.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Hideki_class

>>88106393
I think starfighters with the "big boys" are a silly idea. But a glass hammer smaller than the Defiant with just enough hope - more like a PT boat.

>>88101217
>No no, the Romulans hate AI.
Except for the time they literally convinced the entire Federation to go machine crusade on everything they could lay their hands on, which had interesting implications for the good old doc, the bynars, exocomps and pretty much anything with machine/ai. Good thing terminator Bariel wasn't around, or they would have gone for him too.

The plus side, is holojaneway was gone, otherwise she would have led the counter ai revolutionary front and purged the entire galaxy of all carbon based life. No mega squid required.

>>88105155
I never understood how a group of people whose lives depended on hit and run tactics (bot inside and outside of a starship) could be so out of shape.
"Hold on, you...cardie...bastards...I had...to...run....four...clicks.......just to get........here!"

>>88105500
>And now I'm imagining a melee based starship with a giant fucking buzzsaw blade.
You don't have to imagine anymore. Someone post the USS Pizza Cutter!

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>>88106950
Shocked he hasn’t posted it yet himself. I hope Wells-anon is okay.

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>>88106945
The Maquis really didn't do much on foot, they're the Trek equivalent of rednecks smuggling booze in their hot rods. Plus those guys were specifically being singled out for extra training and were being trained by the most hardass motherfucker on the ship, who had tons of experience training cadets at the Academy. And when you're training recruits, one of the things you learn to do quickly is pick out training methods that you know you can handle so you don't look weak in front of your trainees.

>>88106964
I honestly like this as an alternative to the Defiant as an anti-borg ship. Full impulse, short warp jump right up to the cube, continue at full impulse and don't stop until you've dug a hole right through to the other side.

Adapt to that you ugly fucks.

Also subspace jammers so it cuts the cube off from the rest of the collective. All the collective knows is that Starfleet turns up and it looses a limb, it is blind to what happens.

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>>88106964
Could be off hours for him. Still, let us know if you're still with us, based Wells anon! I plan on getting your design made up on a 3-D printing place when I can spare the coin! And yes, I will post the results here.

>>88107101
>And when you're training recruits, one of the things you learn to do quickly is pick out training methods that you know you can handle so you don't look weak in front of your trainees.
Point. But if the cardassians were hitting them on the ground (when Ro's maquis buddy died in his arms), the maquis were most certainly doing the same to them.

>>88107891
His biggest mistake was using contraceptives when fucking Kira's mom.

>>88107891
>>>/tv/

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>>88106393
>In STA they're classed as a corvette.
>>88106723
>But a glass hammer smaller than the Defiant with just enough hope - more like a PT boat.
Which is the logic behind my Wit(t) class Interdiction Corvette; A small crew basically straddling a Warp Core with Engines and Weapons attached, almost as much of a danger to it's own crew as it would be to an opponent.

>>88106936
>The plus side, is holojaneway was gone, otherwise she would have led the counter ai revolutionary front and purged the entire galaxy of all carbon based life.
She wouldn't purge ALL carbon based life!
She wouldn't have anything left to use as her "Eternal Ensign" if she did that!

>>88106964
>Shocked he hasn’t posted it yet himself. I hope Wells-anon is okay.
Sorry, still recovering from the hell that is "a Family Vacation to Disney World."
I did post about Cute Girl Starship Klabautermann earlier though.

>>88107107
>I honestly like this as an alternative to the Defiant as an anti-borg ship. Full impulse, short warp jump right up to the cube, continue at full impulse and don't stop until you've dug a hole right through to the other side.
>Adapt to that you ugly fucks.
I mean such "primitive simplicity" is a good excuse for letting an Earth "Caveman" design a Starship!
Of course, as a "High Energy, Exotic Matter" Science Ship drawn up by a temporally displaced madman, this Wells-class only saw limited production due to it's high power requirements and befuddling alternating deck orientations.
The main Conn being a gyroscopic seat is still cool though.

>>88107465
>I plan on getting your design made up on a 3-D printing place when I can spare the coin! And yes, I will post the results here.
Noice, remember she has twinned Engineering Hulls that clamp to the sides of the saucer, so double Deflector Dishes and a gap to give the "Nadion Buzzsaw" plenty of radiation space when it gets going.

>>88108081
>most posting in /stg/

>>88108237
>She wouldn't purge ALL carbon based life!
>She wouldn't have anything left to use as her "Eternal Ensign" if she did that!
Not thinking she wouldn't just program one, along with her eternally full coffee mug.

>>88108292
Go back with your shitty forced meme back to containment board.

>>88108237
>Noice, remember she has twinned Engineering Hulls that clamp to the sides of the saucer, so double Deflector Dishes and a gap to give the "Nadion Buzzsaw" plenty of radiation space when it gets going.
Pizza cutter anon? You're alive! What have you been up to, in games and life?

>>88108322
Since when did games posting on /tg/ become controversial? I may have missed a thread-which is funny because of the speed of our little general but still.

>>88108374
I have no idea. One anon labors under the idea there's not enough /tg/ related material to keep a thread going for us, and another freaks out whenever someone points out the sperging has stifled all games discussion.

>>88108374
Not fooling anyone. Take your shitty Dukat did nothing wrong forced meme back with you to that hospice that is /tv/.

>>88108313
>Not thinking she wouldn't just program one
Please, where's the fun in a Cyber Overlord Janeway that doesn't go full AM/Shodan?

>>88108365
>You're alive! What have you been up to, in games and life?
Well besides the aforementioned Disney Trip, brought to a miserable end by my Brother-in-law insisting on making the 21 HOUR DRIVE back in "one go," before that was the Gaming Convention.
To tie this back to Star Trek, it's from the wrap-up meeting that I know The Voyage Home museum in Riverside needs some NEW BLOOD!

I've mostly been bothering /btg/ after discovering how easy MegaMek actually is to use once you know what you are doing, but they have made the mistake of dubbing me "Manic" and that does reinforce my self-image as a mad scientist.

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>Picard asks about her missing earring
>doesn't ask about her missing wart

>>88108881
cosmetic surgery eh?

>>88107399
The Spore Drive has gone too far this time!

>>88095146
He, Krin and Rafi are like set up for Sneed part from Simpsons, you can rely recreate it with those characters

>>88106936
>Except for the time they literally convinced the entire Federation to go machine crusade on everything they could lay their hands on
Oh no, the Romulans were still anti-Android at that time too. I kid, I kid, it was clear what you meant. The Federation was only like that about 12 years, but I don't think they'd necessarily have to get rid of drones (unless that's a Discovery only thing). It was a ban on artificial lifeforms, so drones were probably safe. I mean it's not like they also ripped the autopilot out of all the shuttles and remove the question/answer function from all starships. If it's suitably dumb it's probably safe.

>>88108881
Who is this?

>>88111275
The daughter of the man Lwaxana fell in love with but was expected to an hero on his 60th birthday.

How is the heroclix star trek fleet battle game as a cheap way to play Fleet battles?

>>88108007
Imagine if Ziyal was Kira's half-sister that entire time. The Bajoran woman with her on that transport the Breen attacked was just the caretaker.

>>88108881
Jem'Hadar shot her wart off during the fall of a Maquis colony, you insensitive clod.

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>>88085145
>what is the context behind the entire 'scanner detecting a lack of internal organs'? Did they scan the crew looking for people without kidneys or something?
From what Seven of Nine said, I guess transporter room doors and landing pads have TSA scanners that scan for internal organs and also drugs up your butt. The idiotic thing is if this were even the case a medical tricorder (and possibly a regular one) can already detect internal structures. Bashir did as much when Odo was turned into a solid.

Maybe they misread that scene, though. They thought all Changelings lacked internal physiology and figured that's why Bashir was amazed, but I'm pretty sure that goes back to Odo admitting that he can't perfectly duplicate a person but a Founder can. If he has trouble copying a nose imagine copying kidneys and intestines. When he's in his usual humanoid form I doubt he even tries, what would be the point? He's not trying to fool anyone but the Founders are. It makes no sense if tricorders can uncover them because you could just tune the ship's sensors to handle it and suddenly a large chunk of the Dominion War makes no sense.

>want to run a LUG TNG RPG game
>players want a smaller ship, like a Defiant class in size
>there's no other ship classes of that size
>I don't want the players to have a dedicated warship
>There should be exploration and science too
What do?

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>>88113378
There's plenty of small science vessels. Try the Equinox, it's less than half the size of Voyager, no holodecks, max warp of 8. Very no frills.

>>88113378
Oberth or Nova, perhaps?

>>88102628
I vaguely recall reading that the story was similar to an actual book,some s ort of anne rice type thing called the mayflower series or something like that

>>88113430
>>88113425
I want them to be able to have every kind of mission, which kind of makes this a situiation where I want to have my cake and eat it too.
I guess there's a reason why the general purpose explorer type ships are so large, it's the only way they can do everything.

>>88113425
I'm still pissed they didn't do something more long-term with this, make a whole season of Voyager and Equinox heading home together. Maybe even have an alien ship or two hitch a ride to form a burgeoning flotilla.

>>88113486
Sounds like you're looking for a Miranda to me

>>88113486
What era are we talking about? Like, there are larger ships that can operate with very small crews. Miranda, for example, has like two to three dozen crew stock despite being so big.

>>88111196
I dunno that's an interesting question - the Exocomps were considered "dumb enough" right up until they weren't. At some point you're designing things that may not be *intended* to become artificial life but could surprise you in the future, especially given the possibility of an external x-factor(alien shenanigans, time shenanigans, space anomalies, Fucking Wesley Again etc), so after the tenth or eleventh "oops, the tool/weapon/sexbot is sapient now" incident you'd think they'd begin to reconsider whether the convenience of really anything that even approaches an approximation of "thinking" is really worth the potential hassle. Maybe on the level of a starship's central computer core it's worth the risk, but giving every starship dozens or hundreds(if we go by Discovery) of similarly "intelligent" drones just seems like asking for trouble. Especially when, prior to Star Trek catching an STD from Kurtzman, the notion of loads of small secondary attackers was kind of a joke idea - the Enterprise just one-shots smaller craft in TNG, and the Federation Fighters in DS9 score an occasional kill but mostly just die instantly to bigger ships, and even those are Runabout-size vessels.

>>88113710
>despite being so big.
A Connie is pretty tiny by TNG-era standards so I'd hardly call just the saucer with nacelles hanging off it "big."

>>88113565
Voyager status quo must win out. They never did anything else with the crewmembers they rescued, as I recall.

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>>88113378
A Raven class?

>>88113772
Sure, but Miranda in size is comparable to the Constitution (shorter, but the saucer is much bigger and bulker at the back) and the Constitution has well over 10 times the crew compliment of the Miranda. It's also why I'm asking about the era, as ship sizes vary and in later periods the big capital ships of Starfleet served smaller roles. Excelsior of TOS era is not the same as an Excelsior of TNG era. Ship is the same, the role isn't. So even if anon wants a "small" ship, an old capital ship could fill that purpose just as well. Automation is sure to cut down on crew requirements and you can always have all sorts of wacky adventures with an older ship, as the tech isn't always best for the job, forcing you to improvise and fly by the seat of your pants.

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>>88113764
I imagine a certain degree of automation is fine, though who can say for certain. PIC is all kinds of stupid. After season 1 they lifted the ban so it wouldn't really be a big deal.

>even those are Runabout-size vessels.
This kind of puts Runabouts into perspective.

>>88094610
In Prodigy a breach in the Protostar's giant viewing windows resulted in first a forcefield and then some kind of material replication to repair the damage. It reminds me of the repair station in ENT and how it repaired damage using energy to matter systems.

The problem I have with transporter repairs to the ship is that it starts to raise the question of why they don't do transporter surgery. Even dermal regenerators are just tissue growth stimulators. There's no reason why they can't say, "Welp, Picard's cyborg heart is fucking up again and Worf is paralyzed, pull up their last transporter trace pattern."

>>88114063
Do we want to delve into replicator clone bullshit? Because "realistically" you should be able to just clone anyone and anything you can teletransport pretty much at will.

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>>88114329
Or change their ages.

>>88114408
I want this to happen again, I don’t care where or when. I just want to see more ‘canonical’ de-aging shenanigans on screen.

>>88114329
I think there was a thread that discussed stuff along this line... last year? Year before? Someone pointed out the time Picard beamed himself out into space, but he was taken over by an alien lifeform and his own mind was stored in the ship. They combined his trace with his mental energy to recreate him. Season 1 episode, though, so I'm happy if people choose to ignore it, though you have later episodes with things like creating a new transporter trace for Pulaski with DNA traces to undo the age virus.

There's all kinds of easy plot fixes and drama killers you could do with the transporter which are largely avoided by ignoring the potential of it. Maybe not the most satisfying solution, but it works.

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>>88114545
Well, if you like technically transgender versions there's the Prodigy episode where Admiral Janeway and Dal underwent a Freaky Friday event.

>>88114329
>Star Trek revisits Planet X-Man during the Krakoa Era

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>>88114577
>Star Trek vs The X-Men
Well now I know what I'm doing for the rest of the evening. So far it's the best stupidest thing I've ever seen in Star Trek.

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>>88114329
>>88114408
>a clone harem of young, nubile wives

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>>88114860
In case anyone else wants to play too:
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Star-Trek-X-Men/Full

There's also two TNG ones
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Star-Trek-The-Next-Generation-X-Men-Planet-X
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Star-Trek-The-Next-Generation-X-Men-Second-Contact

Some of these are based off of novels. Maybe all of them? I don't know.

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>>88113378
Retrofitted repair ship?

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>>88114981
Or a Ptolemy, but with a sensor/science nodule instead of a cargo container.

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>>88113378
Thanks to this thread I've been looking at this thing as a small ship. I can't shake the feeling that somewhere in here is a decent design if it went through a few more passes. I'd personally raise the saucer to at least align with the spine of the ship and wingdings attaching the nacelles that silly under and back up flourish. Maybe if they attached to the bottom of the nacelle instead of the side?

The spoilers on the back make it look like it has some kind of souped up impulse engines. I don't mind giving advanced impulse as a special feature over weapons.

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>>88114905
>when Starfleet Security arrives in a party shuttle but you're ready for them

>>88115683
How about you move the nacelles down so they're level with the saucer? I can imagine the ship being like a planetary survey vessel that's designed to land and act as a base for research or early colonization. With the saucer close to the ground, it's easy to access from multiple points, acting like a large building. You could make the block at the rear the shuttle bay, allowing it to be higher when landed for ease of take-off and landing for shuttles (don't have to come in close to the ground).

>>88113378
>>88113486
Stick with the Oberth because you can have the underslung mission pod being interchangable depending on what mission you're sending them on.
Keep in mind when it comes to combat, difficulty is relative. 50 year old border patrol Mirandas are enough to handle pirate raids and the occasionally incursion from an inferior antagonist race like the Talarians, Satarrans, or pre-Dominion Cardassians. If they want a small ship and you want them to also do scientific exploration missions, there's no reason why you as a GM need to pit them up against D'deridexes or Negh'vars.

>>88114408
>>88114329
I'm having a Crying Suns flashback.

>>88108881
kek

>>88115683
Sounds like you've invented the Saber-class, or its cousin.

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>>88115749
I kind of like it upside down.

>>88115926
Just flip the saucer over, so the bridge is on top, and I'd also flip the rear block on the upper side of the "wing". The nacelle attachment could be simplified a bit, needless bends.

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Was Prodigy the first time we've seen a female Klingon captain? I know Worf says Klingons see their females as equals in battle but aside from the Duras Sisters, who as heads of their House and renegades feel like special cases, females seem underrepresented in leadership roles. I don't remember any seen on the High Council (ignoring STD because it's STD), or serving as generals during the Dominion War.

I will say it was nice having Debra Wilson back in Star Trek, if only briefly. I know she's a Trek fan so naturally her DS9 episode has her not appearing with any of the cast. Now she gets to lend her voice again but at least she survived this time!

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>>88115926
A successor to the Iwo Jima class?

>>88116945
>when romulans infiltrate the design team at utopia planitia and somehow get away with it

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>>88117016
Starfleet returned the favor.

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>>88113378
Archer?

I dislike hot bunking

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>>88115683
>>88115926
Why are the bussard/warp coil colors switched?

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>>88117743
Star Trek and glaring errors. Name a more iconic duo.

>>88119271

Dukat and being right.
Darmok and Jalad, at Tanagra.
Data and statements confirming he is an android.
Wells-anon and PHOTON BUZZSAW
/stg/ and pointless bickering

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>>88119701
>Wells-anon and PHOTON BUZZSAW
Hey this very thread shows I'm not the only one who's thought of turning the Saucer into a Buzzsaw!

>>88083921
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>>88083921
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>>88083921
OBNOXIOUS ALERT

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>>88119737
God DAMMIT, Picard!

>>88119271
Honestly I've got plenty I'd love to name with that show, which is bad since it's for kids but just try to suppress a gripe reflex around here. Like if the kids couldn't get rid of the living construct weapon why not work to cut off its access to the ship? Or cut whatever was power it? They powered down the ship in one episode but didn't check to see what state the weapon was in. Also if it was a dramatic point that Starfleet ships would keep arriving at the scene and become controlled by the weapon, why did they call in civilian ships instead of a general "stay the fuck away" message? Admiral Janeway could have surely given them some code that would convince other ships to ignore the general distress calls. Hell, they could have invited them in but told them to turn off their comms systems first.

>>88121194
The Protostar might not be able to totally power down completely, even for all that time it was hidden on Tars Lamora. It's not clear exactly how the protocore works, as in what generates it, but once active it needs constant gravimetric containment or >>88110647

I'm not sure it can be scrammed, but then it's not sure what energy feeds it. With a dual warp core system presumably a shitload of matter-antimatter? If the living construct is tied directly into that for power it might not be possible to fully de-power.

>>88119271
>>88119701
Red shirts and dying
Obrien and suffering

>>88116892
>serving as generals during the Dominion War.
I think there were one or two in one of Goworn's strategy meetings.

>>88123293
Might be because none have really been named, but it's not like any of the others had names either. It does feel oddly like female Klingons in positions of power are left out, overshadowed by the villainous Duras sisters, but how many named Klingon captains/generals do we have that aren't from TOS or a TOS film, though a TOS film gave us Azetbur, daughter of Gorkon, who succeeded her dead as chancellor and continued the peace initiative with the Federation.

I wonder if this is because of the House of Quark episode? It left the implication that men succeed to the head of the House, women have to get special dispensation for it. I can't recall the whole situation off the top of my head, though, but I can see where it might create the impression that even when women fight as equal it is still men who lead.

I doubt that's true, it's just we don't see too much of Klingon society to judge.

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>>88105521
This one reminds me more of a Trekified Star Wars "Ugly", like a TIE-wing

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>>88128168
It looks like some kind of fucked up mini bird of prey sexually mounting an ugly Starfleet shuttlecraft to assert dominance.

>>88128258
>"But I impulse from there!"
>"Qapla'!"

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I'm planning a fanfiction thing. A bunch of experienced ship crew from mostly Starfleet, but also other civilizations like Romulans, Dominion and Cardassians chip in. The mission is a one-way trip to save the galaxy by plunging into another dimension, sealing a portal and stopping an invasion. Then the crew on the mission plan to spend years, perhaps decades, seeking any possibility of returning, and if not, cruise around doing Star Trek things.

So I want a main ship for the mission, something that can hold its own in battle, operate for years without support, carry the capability to found a colony and re-construct existing Starfleet and era appropriate tech. I think the best ship idea for this would be the Galaxy-class. It's classic, it's capable, and has a very large internal volume, exceeding ships like the Sovereign class that were larger in length. Also I'm sure that there are some Galaxy-class ships in drydocks for repair or in storage, ready to be kinda hijacked and repurposed.

Can you guys think of a better ship idea? I would prefer a ship from only, "real," canon from Memory Alpha, but maybe other official material like Memory Beta. I don't want to go with a ship that seems like fanfiction Mary Sue material like the, "Invincible-Class".

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>>88114917
Funniest shit I've seen in a long time. This one is going up with the Miles O'Brien Law of Fuck Temporal Mechanics.

>>88119271
I'm not sure that one is an error. The heirloom is all kinds of fucking broken. Shattered to pieces? It reforms. Can become a short sword or a staff. Break the staff in two and it becomes two swords.

Basically it seems to change size on a whim and become as many independently operating parts as it wants, and gets away with it because in many moments like pic related it becomes so twisting and convoluted it's hard to judge how much of it is ever around at any given moment. I figure it works on Escher physics.

>>88108881
>the silver earring
The minute he handed her a gold earring, he should have known something was up.

Came across this today

>Star Trek: Discovery will only boldly go into season 5, which will not air until 2024. The last chapter of the Paramount+ series will find Captain Michelle Burnham (Sonequa Martin-Green) and the crew of the U.S.S. Discovery uncovering a mystery that will send them on an epic adventure across the galaxy. Their quest? To find an ancient power whose very existence has been deliberately hidden for centuries.

Sure we know about the cancellation, but this is the first bit of plot details I've come across. Naturally it's yet another ungodly powerful POS with the fate of everything hanging in the balance.
How could it be otherwise? At least they died as they lived.

>>88111878
I would imagine it goes back to your transporter pattern. They would have picked up the founders really quick if one day a group of people across the galaxy if a bunch of people showed up to work with jello for guts when they beamed in, or suddenly refused to use the transporter.
Some super analyst would have seen that pattern in section 31 and they would have been picked off one by one.

>>88128168
Now that looks like something that would tear itself apart if it flew above warp 5.

>>88129044
No, it's worse. Seven says that before reporting for duty every officer has to pass through an "imaging chamber". I guess the TSA comparison was apt only it isn't just when you come onto the ship, before you do anything you have to take off your shoes and let a security officer see if they turn into a liquid state. You also can't take more than 3.4 ounces of any liquid substance onto the bridge with you.

>>88128431
If its 'One Ship Navy' time, and they have to do this solo? They yea, Galaxy-class, heavily retrofitted. And since where theyre going, things like the Temporal Prime Directive dont matter or are rescinded if its a big enough threat. So this Galaxy Class is gonna have upgraded nacelles, space frame, ablative armor generators,bullshit regenerate multiphasic shielding, a genesis ddevice or two, etc etc, and all the other polity are gonna wanna cram shit into it.

If its a multi ship fleet, then have it be stuff like that galaxy class, a D'deridex and maybe a heavily modified Vorcha or Negh'var. Heavily Modified Dominion battleship, made to carry massive replicators or supplies internally, instead of the troop components or something? i dunno.

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>>88113378
>The Aerie-class was a type of Federation starship. The Aerie vessels were used for a variety of purposes, including service as surveyors and colony ships in both Starfleet and civilian service, in the mid-to-late 24th century. (Decipher RPG module: Starships)
>Type: surveyor/colony ship
>Service period: from 2347
>Length: 90 meters
>Width: 38 meters
>Height: 20 meters
>Decks: 4
>Crew: 2 to 10
>Maximum speed: warp 8
>Cruising speed: warp 5
>Armaments: 2 Type-II phaser arrays[1], 1 Mk. 22 photon torpedo launcher
>Defences: CIDSS-3 deflector shield grid
>Auxiliary craft: 1 Type-6 shuttlecraft
These always felt like the perfect player ship. Though I've always wondered how easy it was for a couple of civilians to get one.

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>>88129401
>I've always wondered how easy it was for a couple of civilians to get one.
It's clear they were sent by Starfleet to setup Federation presense in the Delta Quadrant using the Borg as a medium, then colluded with the Caretaker to transport Starfleet warships to the region as a prelude to full invasion.

>>88129086
>the founders get beat by an early 20th century analog airport screening.
Meanwhile, Odo remembers the time he enjoyed drinking with Kira, and generated his own mug and drink, and never considered how it would lead to the downfall of his people.

>>88129463
This episode had the potential to make the series way more interesting, since they were running out of ideas at this point. Combine this with a crew split and the Equinox, it being more evenly matched with Voyager AND remove alien warp drive plotline and you have season six kino

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>>88129030
>ancient power hidden for centuries
That's pretty meaningless when your series is set centuries after all other Trek. It could be something that won't be invented for 250 years after Picard's current season, like the Tox Uthat.

>>88132279
Also the galaxy is x-bawks hueg and old as balls. You probably can't go on official archaeological sites without "unearthed unspeakable evil" insurance.

>>88129071
Honestly, i completely agree... but i would have loved it if it became like a trek "sleeper" starship.
Looks like a hunk of junk, hits like the fist of angry god.

>>88132279
>That's pretty meaningless when your series is set centuries after all other Trek
Knowing STD it will be something hidden during pre-Federation days, thus ENT, then found by Kirk in the TOS, and Picard during TNG, and will be showcased as "tying together all previous Star Treks" because they think it's a tribute as opposed to them being witless simians throwing shit on everything.

>>88132834
My money's on the Guardian of Forever, which disappeared after the TOS episode (despite being under active historical use in TAS).

>>88108237
>Corvette Bridge Concept 1
I too enjoyed Outlaw Star.

>>88133189
Fair comparison, but the implementation of the bridge seating is way different than their layout suggest.
The upright figure is the Engineer in a special movable cradle with powerful robot arms used to tend to the Anti-matter Injection half of the Warp Core, while the rest of the stations are similar but static cradles to keep the crew from liquidating themselves when maneuvering at a good fraction of C.
Think modern NASCAR drivers or astronauts; Almost ludicrous restraint setups that allow for only minimal movement, because any more could risk smearing that part of you across the interior of the cabin.

>>88132990
wait wasnt the guy from CSI the Guardian of Forever in disco? Carl?

>>88133433
Yes, this appears to be the case. I did not realize they'd already gone for the "remember the Guardian from that episode you liked?" thing. Please disregard my above post.

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>>88128168
>DURRR

>>88136482
ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL

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>>88108881
As long as nobody fucks with Ezri's stray spot.

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>>88136482
damnit, it looks like a wide mouthed idiot with a goatee and an overbite... fuck you

>>88105516
I like the idea of a 'bigger runabout', though I wonder at what point they can't fit into a standard shuttle bay.

>>88141242
We know from the Delta Flyer Starfleet has special technology to fit small craft into shuttlebays that are bigger on the inside than the outside.

>>88114408
>that loli roe

>>88141242
The bigger ships can have pretty gigantic shuttlebays so the upper limit is fairly big. Remember that we never actually saw the interior of the Enterprise D's main shuttlebay because no sound state on the planet was big enough for the set they would have needed.

>>88083921
Bullshit. That's a battlestar and you know it.

>>88142130
It's a battlestarship.

Do you guys talk Star Fleet Battles in here?

>>88143517
Occasionally. I think there's only a couple anons who've actually played it.

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>>88129030
Ive heard them say that this season will be tonally different from the other two so I dont think its going to be a universe at stake season for once

>>88149374
It's true that anon jumped to assumptions, though there would need to be a compelling reason to scour the galaxy to solve a mystery. I personally fear they cannot resist the temptation to once again go to that well of instant drama that is the vague existential threat to all existence.

It doesn't really need to be, of course. TNG had a quest to uncover the answer to an ancient genetic riddle hidden across the stars. Their drama is that it was personal for Picard, after his mentor was killed, and the various other galactic powers seeking the answer believing it must be something of great power. And it turned out it was, a message of shared origin and lineage as a gesture of hope from a long dead progenitor race. Shame it fell on such deaf ears.

I just don't think think modern live action Trek can into subtle, thought-provoking messages. The above also works better as an episode. Smeared across an entire season I imagine they'll pad it out with tons of pointless action and "high stakes" phaser battles. I'm reminded of the third season of Discovery when after reaching the future their encounter with a mysterious growing patch of ice threatening the ship involves a pointless high stakes showdown in a far off settlement then just trying to force their ship out on impulse only for Michael B. Jordan to save the day with a tractor beam. They find a heretofore unknown phenomenon and their isn't a speck of scientific curiosity in the lot. Classic Trek, what I'd dare call actual Trek, would have been studying it and the solution involving discovering the ice is alive and convincing it to allow them to leave in peace or a technobabble fix like finding the subspace harmonic frequency to shatter it.

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She ran the most vicious reverse rape gang on Turkana IV, not even using protection

>>88149573
Discovery is really bad with technobabble though. In the way Voyager is

>>88150333
I'm not sure if any part of Discovery was good, though at least it gave me several good laughs (against it, of course, not with it). I actually take that back. I enjoyed Lorca, so much so I'd rather have an evil bastard from the Mirror Universe still in charge. Their version of Pike also wasn't too shabby. Their take of Spock was awful ("I like science."), but he was better in SNW.

Also I kind of dug their version of Sarek, though damned if I can reconcile him with the man from TOS onward. You know when Sarek tells Picard about the times Spock would sneak off into the mountains and despite ignoring his father forbidding it Sarek secretly admired his son? It's hard to imagine Discovery Sarek never sharing these things with his own kid, especially when being open with his feelings would have avoided the growing rift between the two men. Instead it isn't until Picard shares what Sarek left in his mind that Spock learns of his father's true feelings.

I guess either Sarek is open with Michael due to the ridiculous permanent mind-link between them, or else he treats his human step-daughter as a human but his own son as the Vulcan that Spock identifies as. That sort of makes sense.

>>88154787
I am willing to admit I liked most of Discovery season 3, and like the aliens they made outside the barrier in season 4 as well.

Defiant (USS Defiant)
Intrepid (USS Voyager)
Excelsior (Presumably the USS Excelsior)
Constitution (USS New Jersey)
Constitution Refit (USS Enterprise A)
Constellation (Unknown, technically can't be the Stargazer, but lets be real its the Stargazer)
Akira (Probably USS Thunderchild)
Sabre (Probably USS Da Vinci)
Miranda (Unknown)
Nebula (Unknown)
Columbia Refit (USS Endeavour or maybe a jazzed up NX-01)
T'Liss
K'Tinga
B'Rel (HMS Bounty)

>>88161004
???

>>88161699
The ships our heroes will pilot at the end of the season to save the Federation from the almighty Changeling Locutus.

>>88161699
Newest episode of Picard has a fleet museum. Those are the ships parked around it.

>>88161004
Why do you think it can't be the Stargazer? Did the Ferengi demand a refund or...?

>>88163720
In S2 they say the old Stargazer got used for parts in the new one, like both Titans got turned into the Titan-A. All background shit, of course. If they say in a leter episode that the museum ship was the Stargazer I wouldn't bat an eye.
It could be just another Constellation. I think that might be preferable, too. Because besides being Picard's first command, the Stargazer isn't an especially important ship, to the rest of the Federation.

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>>88163961
Still covering everything with a blue haze, are they?

>>88163801
I don't recall that at all. All of the components would have been too old except maybe a few systems that haven't been updated in ages, and even then you'd only do that to say, "We have the original sonic shower assembly from the Stargazer! Come scrub-a-dub like Admiral Picard once did!"

I do, however, recall that the new Stargazer was the first to incorporate tech derived from the Borg.

Starfleet stores the mortal remains of Captain James Tiberius Kirk in a repository of doomsday machines and weapons of mass destruction, instead of giving him a decent burial in a place of honor. Clearly the only reason they would do this is because his body remains the vessel for countless strains of the most virulent STDs in the galaxy.

>>88166822
It's the goddamn nightcrew all over again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZjPOrXMaR4

>>88164488
Likely explanation, parts from the scraped ships superstructure were reforged into the superstructure of the new ship. Like how Steel of the old aircraft carrier Enterprise CVN-65 was reforged into the new one CVN-80 IRL.

Already, 20,000 pounds of steel from CVN 65 have been incorporated into modules for CVN 80. When fully constructed, more than 35,000 pounds of steel from CVN 65 will live on in CVN 80, ensuring the Enterprise legacy continues.

https://hii.com/news/hii-keel-ceremony-aircraft-carrier-enterprise-cvn-80/

>>88167107
Feels more like they took some inner bulkhead, like part of the captain's ready room or the wall with the dedication plaque as a pointless sentimental gesture that humans like to do. As if having the captain's chair utilizing the screws from the original Stargazer somehow makes it special. Then they just tuck the rest off to become a museum piece, another bit of rank sentimentality, but that's hyoo-mons for you. We consider things like a stone from the original Pompei as special when really every single rock, every pebble, ever grain of sand, ever bit of dirt, is equally part of this ancient planet. We convince ourselves that some pieces are more equal than others, as if they are imbued with some mystical quality.

It's amazing, really.

>>88167241
Posts like this are why we cant have nice things here. Cant talk about why something was probably done in setting with out someone trying to shit on it, sad really.

>>88163961
>No California class ships there
no respect I tells ya

>>88167308
Hey man, if you want to believe in that sort of nostalgia magic that's fine. Sentimentality is very human. It's why they use legacy names at all.

It's like diamonds. People value "real" diamonds more than manufactured, even when the manufactured are often far superior. Something that's been under millions of years of pressure underground is more real to us. We value the flaws in things.

It's silly, it's pointless, but very human. If reusing bits and bobs from one ship in its own legacy vessel makes it more special to you, have at it. I reiterate even keeping it as a museum piece is sentimental, especially in an age where they could recreate all of those vessels on a holodeck, complete with simulated crew and authentic missions.

>>88167342
They're still all in service doing all the hard work. No rest for the weary or the wicked

>>88167342
I thought there was one in Earth Space Dock during the introductory shots of the Titan.

>>88159680
Honestly, the last two or so episodes of season 4 felt like some genuinely good star trek

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>>88166822
>mortal remains
They are clearly paving the way to get the Shat back on screen, but it feels weird to tease it like this.

Also, I was kinda hoping for Alandra to seem more likeable? Now I'm definitely on Sidney's ship.

>>88170651
I was going to say that it was a bad idea to tempt Shatner like that, though people stealing Picard's body as if he's the most important thing in the universe reminds me so much of the post Generations books with Kirk.

The weird thing is how there are two LaForges, but one is the actor's daughter. The one that gets showcased the heaviest is not related to the actor. I'm guessing one of Burton's conditions for appearing involved a part for his daughter so she was included?

At any rate it was kind of silly how they play up an over one hundred year old cloaking device as a game changer. Arguably it could work insofar as their pursuers would have no reason to check, but once they know an ancient system like that should be next to useless due to advancement of technology. I guess the Sao Paolo Defiant never had a cloak installed or they gave it back to the Romulans.

>>88170651
>Vadic uses Jack's living cells to reactivate the dormant Borg tech in Picard's corpse
>Uses it to take direct control of the entire interconnected modern-day fleet
>Main cast each pick a museum ship to fly to save the day
>"Wait, which one of us was commanding the Ent-A again?"
>Shatner appears on viewscreen, gives a cheeky wink, warps off.

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>>88170827
>one of Burton's conditions for appearing
Yeah, maybe. And I know that Micah is trying to push herself out there, whenever she can. The last time I saw her, she was hosting some Overwatch league matches, which she didn't seem very qualified to do...

And I dunno if this is racist or not, but shouldn't the daughters match in skintone? I mean, Sidney is clearly darker...

>>88170977
Given his wife is a holodeck harem of Leah Brahms and like any good engineer his children are created via science experiments it all works out.

>>88170939
Not quite what you were getting at but I can actually imagine that Picard and Jack's syndrome is revealed to be the key to Locutus. The bit about the brain burning hotter and somehow making Jack a super Changeling slayer fits. The Borg didn't target Picard by mistake or because he was the captain of the first ship they encountered thanks to Q, he has a genetic superpower, albeit one that burns the brain out by old age.

>>88170977
>And I dunno if this is racist or not, but shouldn't the daughters match in skintone? I mean, Sidney is clearly darker...
Sidney got her skin colour from her dad, Alandra got it from her mom. It's the same in real life: Mica's skin colour is closer to her mom Stephanie's, while her brother Eian's is closer to Levar's.